A = 432Hz
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- Опубліковано 23 лип 2017
- Tuning A to 432 hz may yield the answers to the question that so many people ask themselves - why does my music not feel the way that I hear in my head? Why is it that so much of the music that I hear out in the real world feels so...plastic-y and false when I know it could be so much more?
Actually, no it won't yield those answers. It's basically just a big new age circle jerk.
But the weird internet obsession with A=432 does bring up some interesting questions about the history of how we got to our current standard, A=440, and why some people might dabble in lower tuning systems.
THE SCHUMANN RESONANCE (two sources)
www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/su...
roelhollander.eu/en/432-tunin...
A typical A432 website (blerg)
www.viewzone.com/432hertz222.html
EQUAL TEMPERED TUNING AT VARIOUS TUNINGS FOR A
pages.mtu.edu/~suits/notefreq4...
THE LEVITIN EFFECT
link.springer.com/content/pdf...
THE ISO STANDARD FOR 440 (in case you want to, buy it? I guess?)
www.iso.org/standard/3601.html
THE ISO STANDARD FOR A SECOND
www.bipm.org/en/publications/s...
THE SCHILLER INSTITUTE ON 432
(they actually have an interesting idea basing A=432 on registration shifts of a bel canto soprano. I don't know enough about registration and the soprano voice, but something tells me that the register shifts aren't the same among all singers. That said, an interesting idea, and not nearly as idiotic as some of the other ones on their page)
www.schillerinstitute.org/fid_...
PITCH INFLATION
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HISTORY OF PITCH
capionlarsen.com/history-pitch/
CHANGING PITCH OVER TIME
www.mcgee-flutes.com/eng_pitch...
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Adam
I tune to 440 kHz so nobody can hear my music
Modulate something with radio wave and broadcast it.
I tried 440Mhz but nothing change😑😑
433.92 MHz is clearly better
and i oop
Good, anything but that
I’m still waiting on the A=420 movement.
Aaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahah
You've discovered the secret of my solo stoner metal project that I was definitely already planning
Eyy
eventually...
i'm already in!
Modern Music: A = 440
New Age: A = 432
Gregorian Chant: A = Whatever I want
Modern orchestral music: A = whatever the fuck the oboe player tuned to....
baroque pitch: whatever A is but a semitone lower
Talking to a piano tuning guy (a really good one), he said it's possible for each piano to have a "native resonance" differing slightly from others. Any thoughts?
@@DeadeyeDaily sounds plausible because guitars and drums are similar, it has to do with the wood in them
Beethoven was not new age. 432 hz was used in the classical period and the romantic period. Only after WWII did A 440 come as standard. Try singing tenor in the Handel's Messiah using A440hz. Handel used 422hz.
Fun fact: if you, at the same time, play your music *and* keep moving away from a person, who prefers A=432Hz, then you, both, are going to be happy! (Doppler shift. Actually, you have to run!)
Underrated comment 😅👌🏼
You have to run at 6.4 m/s, for context Olympic sprinters run at just over 10m/s
@@philipbackes8696 a bike perhaps might solve this for everyone
@@MrSimonEskildsen good luck not getting tired
highlarious post is hilarious
"Everything i've said so far in this video has been complete and utter b*******."
So A432 *isn't* a road running from Bristol to Old Sodbury? Great, _now_ how am i supposed to get to Old Sodbury?
go east along the A420, then north up the A46 ;)
Rhys Olwyn bruh, nice
Seth Davis 😂🤣 you people
Try the highway to hell.... oh wait
You’re an Old Sodbury :)
They all ask "what is A", never "how is A"
Benjamin Marks Just made my day
This is so sad, can we hit 50 kids?
Benjamin Marks 😂
But just *who* ... _is_ A?
Where in the world is A?
“We don’t perceive pitch in a vacuum.” This is correct on multiple levels…
ha i get it
Incorrect. If a musical instrument has iron vibrating there will be a pitch in both matter and the electormagnetic field. A guitar or tongue drum (if made from iron) will vibrate electrical charges that can be picked up on a trifield meter as magnetic flux. I have not heard of experiments on this but I bet we can perceive plasma vibrations.
@@billpeck1237 please just shut up
I can't fit in my vacuum, but from the outside it sucks at 432hz
@@babscabs1987 LOL
I studied early music, so we were always using different pitches. 392, 415, 430, 465, etc
Fast forward a few years, I was in a certain major city, and someone in the audience invited me to a lecture given by an “expert” of Pythagorean music. Sounded interesting, so I went. The guy had no idea about Pythagorean musical theory. The whole talk was about A=432, and why 440 is Fascists using music in order to mind control the masses. Also, humming 432hz might bring dead birds back to life.
After the talk, I asked the “expert” what he thought of historical pitches being mostly regional, and even within regions, you often find a difference between instruments meant for church and those meant for the theatre. Organs tended to be pitched higher - a tradition that lasted into the early 20th century. For instance, antique American reed organs are often close to A=450.
They did serve a very nice lunch though.
:)))
What was his response?
@@nickchambers3935 It seemed he wasn’t aware of the history of pitch standards beyond the 432 conspiracy theory. And he seemed perturbed
@@harpsichordkid nice fake story :-)
@@harpsichordkid lmao of course he didn’t even know about the real history
Somebody once told me that A = 440
I ain't the sharpest note on the scale
The note I isn't even *on* the scale! ;)
amante pensanta
It's just a pitch on the complex plane.
Haha, touché!
Ooh, that must be notes with the same frequency as real ones, but a different amplitude...
amante pensanta nah, it's just phase shifting
As a physicist, I find the lowercase "h" on Hertz... disconcerting.
It's messing with my chakras.
1) The abbreviation for Hertz is Hz with a capital H
Yeah, it hertz to read it.
Imma have to agree with the physicist here, if you went all the way to the BIPM website for definition of the second, you could have at least been metrologically correct and write Hz, not hz... It hurtz my chakras...
I guess Adam Neely forgot to buy the Hz
It's a last name, so it should be "Hertz" (Hearts in german)
Fun bit about the raising of pitch in some places in 'ye olde Europe', was the pipe organ: you're building a new organ for the church, and hey, smaller pipes use less metal, which is cheaper...and also higher pitched. So, a little fudging of the lengths (not too much, otherwise folks will notice and complain) to save some dough, and a little higher pitch standard for the instrument...it's kind of fun to see how 'rich' a town or church was relative to others, based on not just the size of their organ/number of registers and such, but also what they tuned their A to.
Interesting
Pitch is slowly rising that's the fact
@@ianmclaughlan global pitch warming
Pitch is slowly creeping up in places some pipe organs have gone sharp it is a slow but similar occurance to 1920 to 1854 lower pitch follows and later people adapt for higher pitch a432 Is low but nice but classed as old pitch
I mean 1820
Just watched this, and as a professional piano tuner and rebuilder with over 40 years of experience I can tell you that pianos were designed to sound best at , or around A:440. There are very exact settings such as “downbearing” which require a certain tensioning of the strings against the bridge. (which is glued to and presses the soundboard) Lowering the pitch to A:432 does not tension the system to match the design. At proper pitch there is a vibrant resonance, but lower the pitch and most pianos sound dull. I’ll tune to A:432 if the client wants, but it sounds like crap to me. You could design a piano soundboard and scale so it would work at a lower pitch, but it would take a skilled designer.
Most pianos made in that big bubble of the early 20th century were tuned to A435. I often wonder when we restring and put at A440.
@@echodelta9 True! I used to adhere to the A:435 to those pianos, but age has made most of them (unless rebuilt) sound lackluster, and bringing them to 440 seems to make them sound better. Boosendorfer says A:443, and when I’ve done that the sound seems to “pop”. It is very subjective though. Thanks for your comment! Just to clarify my comment, pianos designed for 440 and lowered to 432 sound dead to me. I’d like to try one of those old 435
@@jbuzz8211 you know in the past musical instruments were designed for camera use mostly where 432 was enough and brightness was not needed apriori. Open air usage change the thing.
Of course the instruments you tune were designed to sound best at A:440
I completely agree with this. It sounds dull and warped.
Adam Neely was so annoying in this video. I'm glad Adam Neely shut him up.
Adam Neely oh my you said the fuck word
we're almost at the magical number guysss
Punch him right in his third eye. Bam!
I am now starting the A=428 movement. It's warm, like a musical hug. My scientific reasoning for this movement is that hugs are nice.
edit: i love all of you, and you all get hugs both physical and musical
I’m behind this
*hugs*
I'm going to start tuning to A=420. I have no idea how it will sound, but it's a weed reference, and I'm pretty sure that counts as wit on the internet.
100% accurate
No, A=60, so it would do stuff with generators (btw A=50 in Europe and parts of Japan because reasons)
I grew up playing piano, playing violin and singing in A=432 Hz world, because in Russia at the time (1960s) tuning forks were still made according to the old Verdi's system. Now, everything played and recorded within the A=440 Hz tuning system sounds too sharp, too "bright" to me, sometimes confuses me when I try to define tonality (especially when an incorrect CD recording makes frequencies even higher), and really, practically, causes tension and even some headache. There is a big difference for me between A432 and A440 performances, the A432 music sounds more "elegant" and less "neurotic," so to speak. I am not trying to rationalize or to justify my preference by some mystical or numerological reasons. The lower tuning according to Verdi, while not being too low, is simply easier on strings and voices, therefore allowing for more expression and less exertion. Notwithstanding the BS of New Age arguments.
Nice answer. I feel 440Hz is either too high or too low for my voice' natural resonance. Former European pitch at A4=435Hz (12-TET) is a nice really nice.. not to low and not to high.. I tried A4=430Hz (12-TET) but then certain notes in the chest range of the voice sits a little too low. 435Hz strikes a good balance for my voice between the different registers of the voice using 12-TET. At one point both the Vienna and the Paris opera were using a pitch at 434Hz (1835), which seem right. At 430Hz using 12-TET i feel I go slightly sharp when trying to give power and volume to lower chest notes..
To conclude: In my opinion we should go back to the old European standard at 435Hz for the industrial standard..
Do you have perfect pitch?
You guys comments sounds better than the guy posting this video because he doesn't know what the hell he is talking about when it come to the subject of 432hz!
@@nikhillrao3799 I do as a matter of fact, in 440. I often test myself against a tuner (in 440) and at 57 yrs old, I still nail it. As another poster stated, he was raised with 432. I would assume if he had perfect pitch it would be based on 432. The evicence seems to suggest that our ears sort of calibrate our brains based on what we're taught, regarding music.
@@venusblackmoon6543 Exactly - how to calm a Diva Soprano down, tune the piano down to 432Hz and don't tell her about it 🤣
Wish they'd save the drama for the stage.❤
I live in the UK and play in a brass band. In the 1960's most bands still tuned to A=453Hz. Boosey and Hawkes (A prominent manufacturer) was advertising in 1969 to persuade bands to convert their instruments to "Low Pitch" from "High Pitch" or "Old Philharmonic". 453 tuning is impossible on modern instruments. 432 is possible but as instruments are designed for 440 the results wouldn't be entirely satisfactory with some notes not "speaking" properly. sorry if this comment is a bit late considering the date of the video but it is a fascinating subject.
In Norway, the standard in all bands is 442.
Sidenote, I think the reason why the second example in the beginning sounded bad was because the uke was out of tune?
Couldn't A=453 be done by re-labeling the notes?
@@Anonymous-df8it by altering the length of instruments making shorter raises pitch
@@perr.u.1826 In Italy too, 442Hz: But if you with "band" mean a windband, well, better talk about "summer pitch" 🥵and "winter pitch" 🥶
Some sources also set the High Pitch A to 475Hz. Both 453Hz and 457Hz are a slightly smaller semitone above 432Hz. So, it is actually pretty easy to play intune with A4=432Hz on a High Pitch instrument, though your Ab will be approx. 432Hz, not your A.
440 killed my family but afterwards 432 adopted me and brought me into a loving home.
Wat da fuk
With a puppy...
How do you listen to music now
frostea _boi he/she made a joke about all the comments in those 440 vs 432 videos that claim that 432 allegedly sounded much better
But if we tune to 432, then it makes sense to keep tuning flatter...
Which sounds better to you?
'Plays "All Star" twice'
Me with tear in eye: *both*
Both 🥹
You can just play it a half step down, say it's 432 and people would have the same reaction
hahahaha best reply to this topic ever. totally correct. people assume the indictrination given to them when they hear a change. (yet they ought know they will hear a change, i mean they it is a change!!!) hypocrisy in perception knows no bounds
It wouldn't work for me though (perfect pitch)
Now I want somebody to make a video where they claim to lower a piece of popular music down to 432Hz but in reality it's a different frequency. And then check the comments.
actually 432 isn't nearly a semitone. you need to go to around 415 to get a semitone
@@mahlonrhoades4509 at which point A# becomes 440 Hz 😏
“Sacred vibrational geometry” sounds like a name for a math rock band
More like a song by a math rock band.
More like a album of a metal shitty band.
@@OsvaldoBayerista So you mean math rock band.
damn your right 😂
Everyone knows 420 is the most cosmic number
the most euphoric
42 Hz tuning
But not because of a phony gods blessing
A=2^9=512 Hz It's easier for MATH.
Da da da da dahhhh
432 is missing 8 cycles; it leaves a hole in the sound. I call it the A-hole
omg hahaha
😂😂😂🤣🤣😆😆😆🤣😂
1967stp friggin brilliant! I’m tuning my guitar to 432 to get my a-hole chakra to relax...too much cheese on that last double cheese pizza.
🤦♂️
Ass hole.
"If I asked you to tell me if this note was tuned to 440 or 432, would you be able to tell me without a reference?"
Yes. 432.
#perfectpitchgang
Perfect pitch people don't count on this, lol.
Jacob Collier has entered the chat.
I don’t have perfect pitch but I still recognized that cuz it’s pretty far out of tune so it sounded like crap to me
@@reedplaysgames You wouldn't know if you didn't listen to music for about an hour and then that note was played. (If you don't have Perfect Pitch
)
My Harp teacher was into this stuff and had me tune down, and i kept it, cause i have all my other Instruments on 440, and imo the kind of music i usually play on harp suits a little deeper even more claming timbre.
Not to mention there's an inherent placebo effect when you're told 432 sounds better than 440.
in some music sounds worst at 432
Play the recordings back at the beginning. If you play the 432 version and then the 440 version, the 440 sounds better.
Placebo effect always mess up with rational and logical arguments :3
if you actually finished watching the whole vid you'd know the 432 version was actually 428
i.... i just wanted to tune my guitar
JDJFKDSNF
lol
this killed me in my chair XD
HAHAHAHA
:))))
Historical music sounds better in unequal temperaments in my opinion.. there's much more warmth and character to each key. Remember most music has been written to imitate the human voice, and the human voice is naturally just intonation.
I choose A=427.63Hz because then 60Hz electrical interference is in tune as a B natural, rather than the annoying B half flat drone of A=440Hz
Yes, plus everyone would have a ready pitch reference by just sticking their finger in the light socket.
@@markdierauf6156 But we have 50Hz interference in the UK, LOL.
Even better is funny A=420Hz tuning because then there's an exact 7:1 ratio between the electrical interference and A
@@banginghats2 A=250*2^(3/4) Hz
"Things that are tuned lower sound warmer, and less strained"
Thanks to you I now know the perfect tuning, 0 Hz
thats the sound of eternity
Eichro I think that what Sunn o))) tune their top string to.
Lucas Sebastião de Almeida Castro Oh, you don't say? We have a genius here, guys!
Believe it or not, but there are people out there who think that 0 Hz is an audible and singable pitch. Several years ago I came across a video of someone "demonstrating" the 0 Hz pitch by singing it. You'd think that the comment section would be filled with people calling him out on the nonsense but it was actually filled with believers ready to comment someone to death if anyone even dared to say something rational.
No, I am not kidding. Some people are just really, really stupid.
Lucas, you're wrong, it's just the sound with infinite wavelenght.
I tune at 420 every day
@@jazzamata Oh, My, God. Are you saying it's a matter of individual taste?! I tend to agree.
It might just be me, but I think "420" in this comment's context is not referring to a tonal height...
But a different sort of "high" ;-)
Uhm, it's a joke guys 😅
@@kniefi
420 is in the title of a famous vapourwave song. Is that what he's referring to?
@@TaiFerret 420 is weed
Reminds me of that day we had to play in a church with an 446-Hz tuned organ, tried playing for a couple of minutes and the oboist said “I can't take it” so we had to do with a synth
Tsahouridis (the pontic lyra guy) wrote in his dissertation as follows: traditionally, the lyra was not exactly tuned to AEB as it is today. The musicians would just tune it by ear to the pitch at which it souned good, keeping the perfect fourths between the strings.
Which, to me, makes perfect sense.
Wait, a circle has 360°, so if I tune my instruments in A = 360hz I'll have a more round-ish and perfect sound!!!
I'll be the new king of music
I'm your first supporter, plz give me money when you become famous
Degrees is a terrible unit.
Bas's Reviews at that point it's more A#,
Kenzo Cervoni you mean A flat ?
We should do A0 = e^π
So that's why Pantera tuned to ~430 Hz. I mean, they were known for their soft, warm, and generally pleasant sound firmly rooted in gaian vibrations and harmony.
fredmachine yes that was surely a Walk on A New Level
In addition to their messed up "scales" that include every possible dissonant note, they did indeed tune to an odd frequency, that, IMO, is certainly not a healing frequency...I used to play in a Pantera tribute band and being exposed to those frequencies every weekend for hours very loudly did indeed have a debilitating effect on my body...coulda been the complimentary shots of very hard alcohol at every gig too.
Pantera Sucks
William Keller how dare
@@user-zt2wc3uh1l Like the metallica scale 1 b2 2 b3 4 b5 5 b6 b7
1:50 was when I could start breathing again because I was taking you seriously and seriously figuring I had to stop watching your videos which I love. Thanks dude, I needed that whiplash.
I go for G4 = 400 Hz, which is close enough to A449. That way my alternating current motors keep me in tune. This assumes the supply is stable at 50 Hz, as it always has been so far.
Whenever there is a simple title on these kinds of videos I know shits about to get real
OW_it_broke hell yeah
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha
OW_it_broke ditto
But what about the pyramids, positioned at exactly MATH places around the world by divine forces? MATH?!
OW_it_broke true
I work as a chemist and I tune my guitar with a hunk of caesium I stole from the lab
Andrew Reddy I'm gonna bee biotech engineer in 2 years. I'll tune with anthrax. makes my bass sound more alive.
[Cesium - MSDS 343]
Danger!: Water-reactive. Reacts violently with water. May cause eye and skin irritation. May cause respiratory and digestive tract irritation. May cause central nervous system effects. May cause cardiac disturbances. May ignite or explode on contact with moist air.
Target Organs: Central nervous system, cardiovascular system.
Potential Health Effects:
Eye: Has been reported to be noninjurious when applied to rabbit eyes.
Skin: No information regarding skin irritation and other potential effects was found
Ingestion: May cause central nervous system effects. May cause cause autonomic disturbances, resulting in effects on the gastrointestinal tract and heart.
Inhalation: May cause effects similar to those described for ingestion.
Chronic: No information found.
I'm a research chemist therefore I only read the MSDS after an accident happens! (kinda true...)
That sounds kind of irresponsible. One would think that you would read that kind of information beforehand, but then again, what do I know, I'm just some responsible guy from a place somewhere.
You're right that is accepted protocol, occasionally people will (irresponsibly) skip this if the substance in question is part of the same class as chemicals that they are already familiar with
Speaking of flat earthers, I thought it was just a long running joke that pretty much says a person is dumb, and that flat earthers weren't actually a real thing. I was once told that if I ever found myself in an argument with one, don't try to argue back because you're never going to convince him or her that the earth is round. Again I was thinking that it was basically saying "don't argue with dumb people, because you won't convince them they're wrong", that there's no way people actually believe the earth is flat. I then lived the unfortunate day that I met a flat earther, and forgetting how it started, I thought he was playing the part of a flat earther, making a joke at his own expense to make people laugh (I do this also, make jokes at my own expense to make people laugh). After 5 minutes or so of talking and minor arguing with this guy, I realized he was serious, and remembered what that one dude told me about not engaging. He got pretty enraged that I wasn't listening to him or partipating in the argument any longer and just laughing at him. It turned into like a full on yelling match, trying to get him to shut the F up. It escalated into a rather pathetic brawl on his side. He punched me, like in the chest, so rib cage, didn't hurt. Then I flogged him right in the stomach, which made him puke and fall over. He got arrested.
Holy shit that’s pretty badass
Good for you. My best friend is a flat earther. I don't know what to do.
you got into a physical altercation, with a flat earther......concerning the shape of the earth......congratulations! yah dun goof'd!
The irony of it all.
Pay an editor.
That script was breathtakingly precise, I'm reeling. Wow. You have some talent!
Last time i had a debate about A = 432Hz it lasted 2h 30 and veered into a focus on whether the Nazis were even that bad.
tom rabbani
Godwin's Law lol
I ugly laughed at this 😂
well now you know why (?)
_Someone or something is Fascist when trying to impose arbitrary laws or rules on others._ (Eco)
were they?
Yeeeeeet I'm the 400th like
The business about singers "being divas" and not wanting to strain their voices by singing to 440 tuning would benefit from more explanation. Verdi wrote for specific kinds of voices. He scored his music with the lower tuning in order to write for an operatic voice type that had a warm, rich timbre in the middle voice that could cut through an entire orchestra without amplification. The voices had high notes but did not "live" in the upper register for pages and pages of music. These kinds of voices have their "passaggios," the register shifts that occur up and down the scale, occur at specific points in the scale. (piano strings get longer, shorter, wider thinner, and every instrument has their ability to change tube or string length for pitch)--. The higher tuning makes a singer feel like they are constantly sitting between two chairs--a bit unstable and very uncomfortable. That's what Domingo talked about when he said "strained voices." The voices wear out sooner, and what has happened with the higher tuning is that lighter and higher operatic voices have had to take on roles that are too big for them, causing another kind of strain. It is like the difference between a sprinter and a relay racer. Different sports, although related, require different kinds of athletes. Love, Mom
Now that's interesting, thanks. I kind of wondered why he didn't just use folks with a higher natural voice.
And may I add: If my daughter turns out half so good as your son I'll count myself a lucky bloke indeed. Kudos to you.
Cate Frazier-Neely Thanks for your insight.
Cate Frazier-Neely why didn't he just write it a half step or even step lower? :)
That is a really good question. When Verdi wrote, 432 tuning wasn't even standard tuning from western country to country, even city to city, especially in Italy! Moving the opera key down would have resulted in a muddy tone and sluggishness of spirit for both the singers and the instrumentalists.
awesome knowledge
Out of all the pseudoscience and conspiracy that plagues our internet age, numerology has got to be one of the worst offenders. This belief that numbers, our human arbitrary numbers, based on our limited senses and understanding, actually say something about the universe and the infinitely complex professes that take place all around us.
Number + number = meaning. How? Why? Through what method? They never say, we are given just the numbers and nothing else
typo pit lol
OK Adam you had me worried for a minute there. As an engineer, musician, and and a scientific skeptic, I saw logical flaw after flaw the first time I heard about 452. My arguments against it are similar to some of those you also got into the rigor of the arguments. Thanks a bunch for this one!
1:44 "Oh thank God he wasn't being serious."
Lmao I thought the same
Jordan Purcell I seriously thought the same, I love to brag about how good my ear is and I literally for the life of me could not find the second one more pleasing. I was beginning to get worried until I heard him say it was all bs lol
That first bit of music though, sounded bad the second time.
@@gtalover1233 I actually liked the song at both pitches for different reasons
Dust514rocks I guess it depends on what type of mood you feel suites the piece. If you envision the piece having a more bubbly lively tone you may prefer the other one but unless you have absoluteLY perfect pitch you will hardly be able to tell the difference
I only listen to music after it's been Doppler shifted.
Titanium Rain nyyeeeeoooooooouuuuuu
If you want to ruin music for people with perfect pitch just move them quickly relative to the sound source.
Luckily you can stop running away from it if you want; Audacity can shift the pitch to 432 Hz for you ;-)
leslie main speakers? what a treat~
1:48 I was worried there for a second, I can’t begin to tell you how relieved I was to hear you say this
3:50
Weirdly, I found neither of these to be particularly stable.
As soon as he played all star i knew he wasn’t serious about this
Pylon had to go back and check omfg
Troll level Adam Neely
Still to this day my favorite video of yours I think
I think that buying the standard means you're allowed to officially reference it in research papers and stuff.
Of course it was All Star
I'm very impressed no one replied to that comment
Yet
It is a good musical motif so he uses it
Made me chuckle... Unusual choice. Not complaining
@@shanemwebb84 yeah, it had a non-cyclic progression, an easy to recognize melody even in diffent timbres, it's a good example.
Cringeworthy despite me liking being alive at that time, I look back in horror today. 1999 was the beginning of trash culture going full throttle. There were great (and great-ish) things too then but it was on its way out. Just personal preferences.
adam you scared the shit out of me. I really thought you actually believed this shit for a second haha
CompanyOfMyself i never heard of it (sure ive heard of different tunings, some orchestras still use different ones today iirc) and i thought he just wanted to trigger sone "nope its a=440" and then he tells us how its all relative and free. This video, however, was better tha expected
CompanyOfMyself me too (and I was deeply disappointed) he is a hell of an actor
My reaction to the beginning of the video was entirely different. I had already made my own investigation about it, and, other than people struggling to hit notes and violin strings breaking with A440, I concluded that A432 had no meaning...
But watching Adam Neely said it was real made me doubt myself and wonder for a minute "oh... well, I guess I'll have to turn all my music into A432 after all...", so it was an actual relief to see that I was right originally. But he could have convinced me after all the videos of him I have watched, where he knows his stuff (so A432 would have been best).
I was going to add a like but noticed you're currently on 432 likes and didn't want to change it!
you didn't investigate enough if you doubt yourself so quickly. All the A432 madness is just a big lie spread by the Schiller institute which is founded by Lyndon LaRouche and boy he loves to lie people.
You kinda had me in the first two minutes, as I caught myself thinking "man, the quality of this channel took a *dive* ."
Anyway, small extra reason to try new tunings : for nearly all instruments, retuning doesn't move the formants around, so you'll have different parts of the spectrum being "filtered" by the body of the instrument if the spectrum is not at the same place as usual, which can give you some differences in timbre.
(Incidentally, I believe this is part of the reason why musicians have "a bit closer to perfect" pitch on their own instrument than on others: they're used to that particular relation between pitch and timbre.)
I've never heard that stuff about formants but it makes sense. Is there a good video on it?
This was one of the most entertaining and explanatory videos I've ever seen. Kudos!
Just buy a 12 string guitar, tune half the strings to 432, and half the strings to 440, lmao
So just a 12 string guitar then?
oh goodness
You monster
Best of both worlds! 😆
Fuck off
A = 420.. the cannabis tuning.. cheers..
LesPeterGuitarJam there’s the 420 joke
Lmao blaze it
gonna try it out lol
A 420 opens my third eye
Fun fact: Mozart used A=420Hz
if they allow me to buy the rest of the notes i could theoretically own the *minor* scale??
Interesting info! I liked the 440 more.
Loved the "that number" VS "this number" humor! Clever!
The piano samples are "made" for 440, so to tune the samples down will change how these samples are played/heard, at a lower pitch the samples will be played slower. If this should be done 100% "correctly," an acoustic piano should be tuned down. ;) But that's too much just for an experiment...
Have heard a tip about if you want your instrument to sound sharp and fresh in a band setting, a trick is to tune it 1 cent up, or at 440,5 or thereabouts?
Have heard that ABBA increased the speed of the tape on their masters to give their songs a lift. Have always felt that Boney M. did the same, as well. But am not sure about it...
As a mathematician and a musician, I find a huge resemblance between the A = 432 Hz and the ”Golden Ratio Phi” communities.
The golden ratio has a community?
Maxwell Seltzer more like a cult. Some of them do plastic surgery so their face ratio would be equal to the golden ratio.
1.618 to 1, if anyone's interested.
440/432=1.0185185185
or related to that, the Fibonaccis
Also, if lower is better, that means djent theory is right, and why don't we tune to 1hz
If it's impossible for people to hear, then tuning as low as possible doesn't make it sound worse...
I'm for it.
that's how I tune my metronome
Once you tune to A = 415.3 Hz you're a semitone lower and essentially at Ab = 440 Hz
This means by the way that A=1 Hz can be interpreted as A=512 Hz or F#=430.5 Hz just at a higher octave
Tyler Wolfguard -- Why stop there? Don't be scared to live. I mean, one hertz is still one million micro-hertz, plenty room for improvement...
I was about to say "what are you smoking, Adam?"
Your channel is fascinating! Subbed and enjoying going slowly over your vids
Does your SO ever walk in when you are doing the "ranting new ager" segments and wonder what the hell is wrong with you?
As if he'd have one.
TheBcoolGuy i said he did i think.
Adam is a perpetual virgin, my dude
if you distinguish between "significant other" and "girlfriend", we might never know
ｓａｃｒｅｄ ｖｉｂｒａｔｉｏｎａｌ ｇｅｏｍｅｔｒｙ
Amazing Allstar Rendition at 1:03
OH GOD! I DIDN'T NOTICE! haahahahahahahahahhahahahah
I thought that it was "nothing gonna stop us now"
The most-clearly-audible effect of messing around with absolute pitch is to force woodwind-instrument performers to *strain* to “lip” up or down the pitches of their instruments, most of which are designed to play A=440Hz.
(Yes yes, I know that some are designed for A=442Hz, for example, and you occasionally run into “vintage” instruments tuned to 435 or 457.)
He read the number wrong at 9:43. He said 9,192,661,770 instead of 9,192,631,770
smh
Adam is a paid 440hz shill, 432hz _does_ open your third eye confirmed. I knew it all along.
VERY IMPORTANT:
Cat stands up and stretches at 2:45.
Jon D thank you
the only part in the video I can understand.
Jon D
My chakras just aligned from this information. Namaste.
Yes.
*whispers* This PBS cat video brought to you by the Jon D and Catherine T MacArthur Foundation
This is like Vsauce, but for music and that's a compliment.
Antonio Ivan Šangulin I was thinking the exact same thing
I think that's why he was suggested for me then!!
radzewicz I'm in touch with that but I am a but more interested in what Vsauce covers in his videos. Both are very intelligent people and cover interesting things but I'm not well versed enough in the videos of Adam to compare him to Michael well
I love Vsauce, Vsauce2, and Vsauce3. :)
Antonio Ivan Šangulin Are you sure it's not a condiment, lol
09:00 - When buying it, you get a PDF document explaining the standard and how to comply to it.
Of course, in this case, it is a very short document, containing only 1 single page. So 38 francs is quite a bit expensive. But I guess it is a standardized price for standards :)
Another good 432 hz video (I guess this is your first video on the subject, but I watched your videos in opposite order, both videos are good and worth watching!) You make several important points in this video. First of all, the Schumann resonance, if it is even relevant to how we perceive music, and there is no evidence that it is, is NOT 8 hz as is claimed, it is aproximately 7.83 hertz, and while a human might casually consider these two numbers to be "close enough," they actually aren't that close, at least for the purposes of this discussion. Even more importantly, you rightly bring up the point that our measurement of time, the second, and its mathematical inverse, the Hertz, are completely arbitrary. So the actual numerical value of a given pitch in hertz is arbitrary based on how the hz is defined by humans. An alien species with a different measurement of time might say an A note at 440hz is actually 752.79228 Alien-Hertz. Oh and this says nothing of what base we use in our counting system. Modern humans use base 10. The number 440 in base-10 could be expressed in base-12, base-60, binary (base-2), or base-whatever-you-want. It's all arbitrary, so their is no reason to think a hz value that is a whole number is any more elegant or "natural" than a hz value that includes some long decimal place.
so, when is Vox gonna rip off this one? ;)
Hey they invited him on recently!
Since when do they rip off other UA-camrs?
@@bored_person it's a joke coming from some ppl saying they ripped off his video on the US anthem which Adam has seen has actually stated he doesn't view it as a rip off so *shrugs*
You totally fooled me! You actually got me to think you had bought into this woo. Everything you said at the beginning, before the very last one, was stuff that sounded like something you might actually believe.
And so I paused the video, and wrote an explanation, saying "I can't believe you of all people fell for this." I even debated if I was going to finish the video. If I hadn't read a comment cryptically saying something about you arguing with yourself, I may not have, and have always thought you'd bought into some reasonable-sounding version of this crap.
I mean, I even had a second of thinking: "could there be something about how our ears are arranged that make 432hz tuning sound better," before dismissing it. You were that good.
Please never use those powers for evil!
I was thinking the same thing but i was like the 440 sounds better anyways. If it was a = 512 hz that might be a different story.
They both sounded equally good individually, but as Adam pointed out, the 432 sounded good in comparison but only after direct comparison.
It worries me when people like you are fooled so easily.
+mycapibara It worries me when people like you are unable to read.
I wasn't specifically addressing you
Any conversation about how frequencies affect the body has to involve cymatics, which no one in the modern day has any real idea about. Also the Schumann resonance was never a rounded 8, it was almost eight, like 7.8ish, and this resonance has actually increased to more than twice what was originally measured. Again, until someone can match a frequency to a color and a shape, arguing about what frequencies are better or worse for us is pointless.
Great video! Thanks for doing the research. Now let’s all get out there and tune to unique A’s.
I really dig the twists. It gets me to come to my own conclusion, rather than just nodding my head in agreement.
Mat Sharff i thought that 440 sounded better and was wondering when the subjectivity was gonna come in. loved how things turned out
The intro had me going "Is this bullshit? It really sounds like bullshit. Hmm ok the lower tuned song sounds a bit better but is that just because I heard it second? This does sound like bullshit... OK he's cracking up it's definitely bullshit". Lots of good information in the remaining ten minutes
Well it got a bit too obvious when he started going about cavities and lightnings...
yeah, it reminds me not to just blindly follow people like an onion
Acknowledging counter-arguments is a solid rhetorical strategy. Good for videos like this
A = 420
Maemi No Yume
G=420
G=green
Best dead meme
Actually G# = 420
A=666hz
E is actually 666hz
3:47 ... I actually like the attitude of that wolf fifth. Could we somehow utilize (in music) more tunings, using "intervals" that are maybe otherwise alien to a single tuning system? Is there some basis (other than a single shared ' home' tuning/interval system) that would need to satisfied or some rules formulated (discovered already) that would inform us how far or where we can go, or rather what those extensions would do and what they would/could mean? (Musically)
I preferred the 440 version. I guess writing and producing music in that tuning for the last 40 years has somewhat conditioned my mind :). Having said that, I have recorded some artists (especially the guitar solo players) who feel that every guitar has a tuning it "likes" better. And those vary from 428 to 442 in some instances. In some countries, where standardisation isn't an issue, the tuning of the native instrument may vary from day to day.
You could make just as valid an argument for 439, it's a prime number, therefore it's true mathematical purity, cosmic man.
How do I read your comment right as he spoke about 439
πeφ2^5 Hz. My number has π, e and golden ratio in it, your argument is invalid.
when that was actually the average before they officially made it 440
A=432: smallest brain
A=440: normal brain
A=420: universal brain
NoTraceOfSense A=2^(8,75): brain playing sax
A=420 ends up basically as A=Ab! I accidentally did it with my tuner once and found I'd managed to tune a semitone lower than my other guitarist 😂
A=415: transcendent brain
Andy Wears Basically. But Ab (in relation to A440) would be a lot closer to 415 Hz. Approximately 415.3 Hz., to be more precise.
Rick & Morty brain
the best video ever made to this topic. Thank you
The intro of this video just proved to me that I'll believe anything that Adam says.
So nobody's gonna talk about how he played all star?
Ok
I'm fine with that
oozy man all star is in f# major and he played it in g major
listen to more of his videos. All star is all over the place. coz illuminati ;)
shut up
I thought it sounded more like "Hey Soul Sister" ua-cam.com/video/kVpv8-5XWOI/v-deo.html
Big J?
so it means A=432 is not gluten free?
Neither is it vegan
As someone with Celiac disease, I can confirm that A=432 is NOT gluten free
JoolsGuitar *WHEEZE*
It's got palm oil too!
JoolsGuitar BRUUUUH
Adam, a close and long-time friend died today, and you actually made me chuckle. Thank you.
"... and I started to vibrate..." Ahahahaha!
Maybe we have ear fatigue from hearing 440 our whole lives.
Thanks 🙏🏼 for opening my mind. This was enlightening.
My old weed dealer was a (very bad) electronic musician who was sincerely into 432 and wouldn't listen to any reason or different opinions on the subject. Total cult like attitude towards it.
Kakarotz not 420? Good thing he's not your dealer anymore
Ace Logic You should make videos on all of those things and comment @ us when you do, it would be a good view-magnet.
I support this idea!
You know a story is about to be interesting when it starts with "my old weed dealer..."
(very bad) electronic musician
redundancy at its finest
As a physicist the pretty math argument had me dying as good looking math is a red flag
Engineers: Acceleration of gravity is 10m/s^2
@@jangtheconqueror you have no clue how much my skin crawled as I read that
@Loch Ro tell that to all of those schmancy theory of everything physicists.
@@loch1352 π² = g
@@ozzie_goat grosssssssss
The old electronic organ at one church was tuned to 438Hz so everybody had to tune their instruments to the same 438Hz (except the drummer). We could not tell what was 440 & what was 438 in isolation but play them together & something sounds out of tune.
It doesn't matter what you choose, as long as EVERY melodic instruments was tuned to the same frequency for the same relative note (some instruments are tuned with a 1 or more semitone shifts).
At around 416 the semitone below & above are around 24Hz (Ab=392.652, A=416, Bb=440.737) so changes between 392 & 440 represent approx. 2 semitone range for shifting key.
A440 tuning has G=391.995, Ab=415.305, A=440.000, Bb=466.164
2 notes sounded together will have a repeating beat with pulse of slightly louder then softer (coinciding peaks=beat) to the frequency of the difference between the 2 notes (eg. A+Ab = 440Hz-415.305Hz = 24.695
Hz beat). This becomes very noticeable for 2 lower notes close together so the beat is
Im just discovering solfeggio frequencies and im definitely not a musician but wouldnt it make sense that the higher the hz the more energetic the music would be and the lower the more calming it is?
Could it be that people that prefer 432hz are more harmony or inner peace seeking and people that prefer 440hz are looking for more energy or stimulating sounds?
Could it be that more extroverts would prefer 440hz and introverts prefer 432hz?
I personally have enjoyed and felt more calmed by 432 hz music compared to 440hz
Im diagnosed with adhd, intermittent explosive disorder and Sensory processing disorder, all come with extreme constant anxiety.
I get overwhelmed by excessive volumes or sensory things.
432 hz seems to have a profound difference on me as I dont feel any form of anxiety compared to 440hz.
Im also curious if the reason could be cognition difference? Is it correlated with IQ?
I took a proctored mensa certified iq test when I turned 18 and I scored 120 iq or top 10% which is gifted but not genius contrary to what everyone thought of me. I definitely had thought based on the innacurate online iq tests that consistently said I had an iq of 135.
The thing that does make me question 440hz is the water test. The vibrations are very chaotic and not organized or harmonious as opposed to 432 hz is beautifully organized in water
The water test is a given and also now we are rediscovering the effect of frequency on cells.
I know that one of the reasons for pitching up was at the advent of the 20th Century, thanks to Wagner - Orchestras had become huge, including the brass section and the pitching up was to help lift the strings so they could be heard over the Brass and Woodwinds.
Me, I prefer chamber style or more intimate settings and also agree with Verdi as I am an classical singer by training and have sung everything from Gregorian Chants - Motets - Masses to Modern Operas and Choral works. 432Hz sits on my ear nicer especially with the higher voices which can become shrill and strained at higher ranges if singing at 440 or 442Hz.
It also helps the poor Tenor Sections in Choirs who struggle a lot to stay in tune during a performance same issues as Sopranos (and no, not the Sopranos from the TV series)😁
SMH, so mad that Adam didn't talk about how A432 can repair our DNA
dman5202
That makes absolutely no sense at all XD
it completely ruins the joke when you explain it...
I played in an ensemble that used 432 simply because there was a really nasty resonance in the room at 440; and 432 dodged it.
Yes. Because the Soundwave is better in 432hrts
@@deadbabiesinvomit No, because everything has a frecuency, and the room had a lot of natural harmonics of the 440 tuning, In that case the 440 is more harmonic than 432.
The only thing that affects music sense is the temperament, the relation beetwen sounds, 432 has the same relationships than 440 just a bit lower in therms of cents.
@@deadbabiesinvomit I'm about to inflict upon you 432 hurts.
Ok then smart arses ,cept Matt Snyder. A=432hrts in true sine. Scientistific fact. So suck on that n go do ur homework before just sticking up for Adam. Coz Adam is an ok teacher. But being self opinionated about something he obviously doesn't understand. Is not good teaching. True sine people. True sine. The institutionak swines introduced 440hrtz .it's not no fucking Hippie Shit! Fucking morons. Do ur homework. Centuries of musicians must have been just stupid cunts hey. Batch must a hippy fuck stick hey. You guys are being pretentious by believing Adams poxy statements. Fools. I think Batch is alot smarter than Adam. All opera used to be in 432hrts! So suck a cock on the flop!
@@deadbabiesinvomit Actually, opera used to be in all kinds of fucking tunings because there was no standard. And what the hell do you mean by "true sine?" There's no such thing as a fake sine wave. And if you're talking about sine waves with better math, don't hold your breath, because the period of a sine wave is based on pi and thus always irrational. Seriously, I'm pretty sure you don't know what you're saying at all. Do you know how to get home? Is your name in your jacket?
Love the setup, this channel is fantastic 😂
Thank you for this Adam. I am a bit skeptical people who suggest (on UA-cam) that they are really able to hear that equal temperament is out of tune...as if they are so pure in their perceptions of pitch...there are a few people who can distinguish pitch that minutely...but most of us are not attuned to the music of the spheres. What's important is that music is in tune with itself, relatively speaking.
As for Verdi and the demand for 432hz without electronics how would they have measured the precise frequency of an A?
"We don't percieve pitch in a vacuum" so, so true. You need a fluid for the pressure waves to propagate through.
kind of a irrelevant argument though, we don't perceive the frequency of a sound wave in a vacuum because the sound wave cant travel through a vacuum. Do you like this song? Well I wouldn't be able to hear it in a vacuum. GG
Josh Gunn woosh
Vacuum isn't empty it exist out of a gas of quantum particles.
Damn we got so many Einsteins in these comments
*Agruement between A=432Hz and A=440Hz*
Musicians: Ahh shit, here we go again.
I think it's especially annoying for musicians, or really anyone who understands the physics of sound. Constantly see these bullshit 432hz versions for music I like and the comments are full of "duuuuude idk what's different but this is way better"
It's like, it's 8hz lower, that's the difference lol
@@celestialmonkey My favorites are the people who say that no one can hear the difference, but it just feels better. That is you hearing the difference, bro.
@@tendrax No it's placebo for people who don't understand what they are listening to. A trained listener can easily hear the 8 Hz difference, it just doesn't sound any better or worse
Why not A=431, or A=433, why an arbitrary A=432
Wut
So now that you decided to base your A frequency suggestion on the Schumann resonance to reach perfect harmony, why would you round it up from 7.83Hz to 8??? Kinda kills your point.
A=424.44