Do you need 32 GB of RAM for PC gaming in 2020?
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- Is there any point getting more than 16 GB of RAM for gaming? Do you need 32 GB of RAM for PC gaming in 2020? Can you even use all 32 GB of RAM for gaming? Many questions in today's video.
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Do you think the next generation of consoles is going to mean that games start using more RAM? Let me know what you think!
Have you tried Forza Horizon 4 or Astroneer ?
Nope. Both next gen consoles have 16GB GDDR6 which is shared between application and video memory.
@@baroncalamityplus Yeah, that's also what I was thinking. They do have a very fast memory interface, so it will be interesting to see how that plays out.
still stuck with 8gb!
i've got 32 gigs in my system right now, but i still somehow manage to fill it up on a daily basis, i plan on upgrading to 64 gigs in a couple of weeks to see if that helps.
I'm only watching this so I can hear Dawid say "thidy two" as much as possible
Yeah it's so funny that he says thidy instead of thirty
I think that's why we're all here
all i can hear was titty two
Hahaha!! I genuinely thought I said it normally this time. 😂
@@DawidDoesTechStuff Normal for you and that's what we like!
It isn't the game that requires 16 gigs,
It is the chrometab running in the background whilst you game that bottlenecks you.
Realistically yeah, if you have a few chrome tabs, streaming, discord, it does add up. But "need" is a strong word.
@@oGPhoenixo You definitely need at least 16 gigs of ram in this day and age. Back when GTA 5 came out I was still rocking 8 gigs, GTA 5 and Discord alone would consume all of it and it severely impacted GTA's performance.
I have on average 30-40 tabs open at all times, and I never close my web browser haha. Although, even if I only had 16 gigs, it really wouldn't matter too much as computers are pretty good at moving data between memory and virtual ram based on what you are doing at any given time. Maybe if you are using a hdd that could be an issue, but I think it's safe to say the majority of people at least have an ssd nowadays. It really only impacts you if you are needing to use more then 16 gigs at once. Having tabs open in the background while you game won't actually impact you, it would simply be offloaded to your virtual ram space if you need more ram for what you are doing and only retrieved when needed. If you had programs actively running in the background while you game, that would be an issue. But web browsers aren't actively running in the background as much as they are just static and there, resting and not actually needed to be loaded in system ram while waiting for you access them.
@@gerble36 i cant even fathom needing 30-40 tabs open. i get more than 5 and i get annoyed finding the one i want.
@@gerble36 I actually notice a significant performance-drop in CoD Warzone when I leave Firefox open in the background with 16GB of Ram and it's really annoying having to close my browser while I'm playing. I even experience more crashes when I forget to close it.
You don’t need 32Gb but you’ll definitely benefit from it. Not in terms of fps but for the overall user experience; less stuttering, more smoothness, just a better experience overall.
It's a shame people don't understand the difference between benchmarks and user experience. The only way you can show someone the difference is by using their current system with 16GB and then upgrading to 32GB.
@K.C-2049 I remember one of the guys from Hardware Unboxed answering a subscriber question about 'who would benefit more from having 32GB of RAM between casual and competitive players,' the one with the darker hair, I forget his name, said something to the affect of, ‘Well, if you’re a competitive player you’ll turn down settings and close programs for the lowest latency and casual players won’t notice the extra latency/ benefit from the lower latency.’ As if there’s no one in between, who sweat it out during the latest COD release and enjoy RPGs in the summer.
The main issue is, as of yet, there’s no way to objectively measure user experience with repeatable results, while ensuring the exclusion of confirmation bias and user error. The only thing we can agree on is higher framerates for gaming and everything else is lost to subjective experience if it can’t fit into bar charts. You’ll notice most tech channels only recommend what you ‘need’ to reach the typical framerates, at a given resolution, relative to the capability of a GPU. Because of this I’ve see posts online from goofballs with specs like: r5 5600G, 16GB RAM, 4090; Asking if they should upgrade the CPU and memory after upgrading to a 4090 since they only play games at 4k. Even better yet many of the comments mindlessly state that it’s not worth it because there’s little to no FPS to be gained. Not, "you idiot, you've just burned at least $1600 on a GPU. What's an extra $200 going to hurt?" or "If you can afford a 4090 to day, why did you put it in a $500 budget when it was new?"
What I find ridiculous is how there’s only a vocal minority able to square this circle and notice that, in the US market, gaming PCs over a $1000, let alone a single component, are existing the “all you need” territory and are entering a compromise reduction connoisseur domain. You either get the click bait “console killer” or the >$5000 envy builds. Very few are willing to stick their neck out, at least in the techtube sphere, and draw a line and say a system with 6 cores, 16GB RAM, on a $100 motherboard isn’t good value at $2000, you’re being a cheap ass not frugal, or at worst scammed. If you’re forced to use a USB splitter on your brand new $1800 desktop, you got played.
Let’s be honest, we all got 32GB of RAM just for the Task Manager.
yep
Nope, I got 4 sticks in 32 GB (4x8) because I plan to get a 5900x and a 3080 Strix or Tuf (or a 3080 TI since January is next month). Reason? 4 sticks instead of 2 sticks will give you increased performance on Ryzen 5000 series.
@@BlazeNarutoShippuden why not get 64?
@@raawesome3851 64 is for designing, doing rendering, or using multiple applications at once. So there is no need for that. 32 GBs is the medium that you need. 16 is just for gamers but they should really go to 32 GBs. Getting more sticks is always better than going for faster times.
All slots filled 😁
Things are changing... Was used to play games with 32 kb, a while ago. 8-)
If I'm not mistaken, that would mean they were DOS based games
Sed boomer
@@perorocino1653 no one says boomer anymore
@@crispy8038 ok boomer
@@onelifefitness7489 ok virgin
Dawid: Implies having "thiddy-two" gigs means you're compensating for "something".
Also Dawid: *Immediately confirms he's compensating for something* 👍🤣
Hahaha!! Exactly. Im glad you picked up on that. 😂
It all comes out in group. I’m running 64 GB :(
@@user_16309 over over over over compensating for something
@@QueenCece6 touche
Paired with a Gravis card from Tech Yes City and you're all set.
Omg he just made this video to flex his thiddy two gigs of RAM *we got a badass over here* 🤣🤣🤣
I know right! Pulling a Linus over here.
I got 32gb ram... on a laptop
@@DawidDoesTechStuff lmaO
I’m 9 and I got a intel i7 100700 and 32 gb of ram
Proud owner of 2gb ram
Use case for 32 gigs of RAM: Play a game while streaming, monitor the stream on a second monitor, have Chrome open on a third monitor... Then edit the stream afterward to post to UA-cam while watching UA-cam and using Chrome.
Really, just using Chrome can need more than 16 gigs sometimes.
My son is usually watching UA-cam on Chrome (with about 40 tabs open, including a few Reddit threads with too many memes), while playing a game like Civ 6 or Hearts of Iron 4. I have to avert my eyes.
Exactly. If you use your computer for anything else and don't want to close everything before playing a game, 32 is better. Though I still do it with 16. Having SSDs also hides a lot of the memory swapping in background.
Try Linux
I agree, I went for 32 GB in my system because I'll watch a stream or netflix on my second monitor in Chrome while playing like Runescape or FFXIV or World of Warcraft.
@@remytv If you have memory swapping with 16 much less 32 gigs... Your PC has other problems. JSing...32 gig user here and its more than I need.
A 16 vs 32 comparison for tarkov would have been cool to see how big of an effect a ram shortage of 600mb has on performance
We have to keep in mind that the operating system and any other background-running tasks have to use some of that ram, so the difference is more than 600mb.
I’m so glad you mentioned EFT, it is notorious for eating RAM like candy and is literally the only reason I have 32gb of RAM.
are you gonna do a sequel, like "Do you need 8+cores for PC gaming in 2020?" I think that would be pretty useful.
That sounds awesome. I will see if I can get my hands on a high core count CPU and then take it from there. 👍
@@DawidDoesTechStuff You Should Ask AMD or a Local Supplier for a full set of 3000 CPUs, even if you could just borrow them would be great
@@shaneeslick That's a great idea. I should actually email and ask.
8c vs 6c in Vr? 👀 (vrchat?)
u need cpu compatible with your gpu, u can pair 16 core cpu with 1050 and get fps of 1050, that’s how it works
I'll be coming back when 32gb ram is the sweet spot, just like I did to videos where people talked about 16gb being overkill lol
*Person showing off the first computer* "One day I predict there will be about 7 of these!"
Well I did acknowledge it wasn't necessary right then and unsurprisingly I ended up with a new system long before I ever needed 16GB of ram.
Though yes, more than 16GB will be the recommended at some point. I just couldn't accurately say when that'll be.
Then you'll have 64GB flexes happening.
@@ArtisChronicles
At this point we have 128GB ram flexes going on :P
well... we would have ddr5 sometime soon.. so yeah.. probably 32gb will become more greater
You're assuming your running game is the only thing hogging RAM. Your system and other background apps need some breathing space too!
Try leaving a few Chrome tabs open and launching Halflife Alyx or Star Citizen at the same time, we'll see :) or maybe you like to close everything you multitask on everytime you start a game?
32GB is the current sweetspot between cramped and over-futureproof, especially if you're building a new system, we're upgrading later would leave you with 2x8 + 2x?? In your 4 slots (4x8 would be wasted potential at this point in time)
The good thing about mediumly big channels like you is because you’re just big enough to still be able to interact with most comments and makes the realation between viewer and creator much stronger, but this kind of channels usually don’t have a massive budget to do anything that goes through their head for a video. Been here since 50k and i hope you get much bigger, love your vids
rip interactions
Thankfully I don't have to answer that question - the software and workflow I use for my job is RAM intensive, 16GB was always slugish and barely usable, going to 32GB has literally been night and day for work.... and I have it for gaming too :)
I have a gaming PC I built back in 2012 with 16 gb ram and a 3770k. I found that in recent months, I would start to run out of memory frequently with all of my apps open and would even sometimes get crashes. A big culprit was Chrome memory hogging when I had alot of tabs open and/or having the app running for too long. Only gaming I really do is WoW and old stuff.
To my surprise, I found that despite it being ancient, the motherboard is able to support up to 32 gb ram so I spent $100 on a kit. The thing runs amazing now, like new. I think that this upgrade will give me a number more years out of the computer. Happy about my purchase.
Cities Skylines: I'll take your whole stock of RAM
Truee :D sometimes it takes nearly 28gb
@@sebastianpurczynski3885 lmaoll! Indeeeeeeeedddddd! i only had 16gb of ram, and I used 2k assets and 60 mods whilst my pc can't handle it anymore 😂bcoz it used 28gb lol!! When I only had 16 lol.
My computer just randomly shut down by itself lmaoo😂and I couldn't open my pc and I had to wait for 1-3days to work again lol😂😢
For me 48GB. It‘s so badly optimized for +100k citizens.
@@CowMowTV ikr, i reluctantly bought another 32 gbs
@@sudochmodx3752, i will buy 64 in my new PC, just because of the Cities: Skylines optimization.
Probably best to go about a test like this with multiple resolutions. RAM use would undoubtedly be higher when running 1440p or 4K.
Indubitably
Having a heavy minecraft modpack and listening to a podcast on youtube while you peacefully build something and chat on discord with some friends feels like a more realistic scenario of someone that would need a lot of ram. Also add some extra chrome tabs for looking up how the mods you are using work.
When I'm running heavily modded Minecraft and watching UA-cam I'm actively using at least 12 gigs, so you're not even being unrealistic
Also IMPORTANT thing is that, Windows 10 use 3-4GB in every moment because of that You don't have 16 GB, for game you have like 12GB and sometimes you ask yourself why You have problems with rendering distance in some games, its just because of that. You don't need 32, You can use like 24GB and that is good..
You forgot to mention background tasks. A clean install of windows idles at 2GB, and chrome loves eating up ram.
I'm not saying you need 32, but it isn't too absurd to want it.
@Im Shur yep 16 is more than enough nowadays
Did you two not watch the video? Maybe I'm missing something.. but he literally showed us all a game that takes 16GB's.. and then windows takes 2GB's minimum.. then chrome..
I admit, you're probably never gonna use 32 as an average gamer.. but over 16? in the next couple of years? That's a huge possibility.
Don't get me wrong, I rock 16.. and I probably will for the next couple of years.. but 8? You two really think that's acceptable? I throw 8GB's in web browsing devices, 16-32 in gaming.
@@DopefriedCheese For most people, those who AIN'T gonna run a bunch of stuff in the background & have a habit of maxing out the graphics settings when they game, 8gb is actually adequate at present. Most games currently available are gonna look pretty enough & run smoothly enough at about 6 to 7 gb. 16gb is deemed the sweet spot cuz that'd allow you to run graphics settings higher than necessary, while not requiring you to shut off everything else before you boot up your game.
@@DopefriedCheese dont worry this noobs man. I came here to say that i improve 20fps by going from 8gb to 32gb RAM. PC specs : i7 10th and RTx 2060. Improved in Battlefront 2, jedi fallen order. And most important the games stoped to break. Much smoother. I remenber when 512mb was overkill. Now get Over it and go to Next level. I also use programs like adobe Premier, Photoshop CAD and other DAW music programs. If you have the money go for it.
@@MicaelAzevedo I stopped answering for a reason. I literally have no background programs open that aren't necessary and exceed 8GBs with basic games. I'm the type of person that ran the XP layout for years. "That's because you have too many tabs open" is insulting. Lol, thanks
I plan on building a new PC after 8 years of using my current one which originally only had 8 GB's but upgraded to 16 GB's a couple years ago, gonna go with 32 GB's mainly as a future proof so I won't have to do it later down the line.
go 64. your welcome :)
Yes if you current has 16 and you start all new then obviously going for same 16 looks like no upgrade but platform change only lol
I only have 16 Gigs of RAM and this video made me realize I will be fine for a while
For sure. Unless you are really into Microsoft Flight Simulator. 😅
If you ever decide to start running VMs you might be thankful for extra ram :p
In all seriousness though, you'll probably see upgrades elsewhere before you ever start needing more ram for gaming.
@@ArtisChronicles yeah probably gonna be when 8 cores is the norm for gaming cpus
@@ArtisChronicles I can confirm. I'm a software tester, and often go right to the limit of my 16GB with all the IDEs, databases and terminals I need to have open. I don't really need 32GB, but I would if the project was a bit bigger, and I'm extremely glad I have 16GB.
@@DawidDoesTechStuff is
2 16 gigs
better than just
1 32 gig?
I think a follow up video running benchmarks with background tasks running is worthwhile. 32 gigs might seem overkill for just a game but what about 30 chrome tabs, discord, icue, synapse, and any other choice program running in the background.
Except Chrome there is not such a Ram Eater
Maybe 2 gb
"To try and futureproof... but is it needed in 2020?"
This makes sense.
Who cares it's cheap right now... Unless you buy rgb lol then it's +$100
i literally paid 75bucks for this lol
@@billsoon8456 I'd rather save that money for DDR5 4800mhz thank you very much.
@@djangojansen7648 I think the average speed for DDR5 will be somewhere around 4800mhz, at least in the beginning. In 3 years I won't have any issue upgrading to DDR5 32GB of RAM, as of now it seems a bit silly lol
It's not like you're going to be swapping out ram depending on your usage. So just install 32gb and be done with it.
The same argument always comes up. Maybe you use it maybe you dont but better than not having it and needing it. 64 gig user...why because rams affordable and again I have it if needed and it looks great as well.
I was running with 8gigs until recently. Never really noticed an issue from it to be honest. The only game I have noticed that goes over 8gigs for me now is red dead 2. And that's by about 500MBs
think less than 16gb isn't very comfortable if you're a heavy pc-user, if you want more than that it's probably gonna be 32gb, 23.6gb ram is out of the question...
one step more is probably better than not enough.
my browser did not like 1x8 ram for sure.
who strictly plays game on their computers... think anything else could be more ram intensive, some games might require different things than others though.
@@smievil why would you ever run ram out of duel channel lmao
Dawid: uses 90+ Minecraft mods
Also Dawid: thinks it's a lot
Most of the FTB modpacks: Pathetic.
Im playing mc eternal rn that has 320 90+ is litrally nothing
siskel sewalt the ultimate modpack 2.0 made by socksfor1 : pathetic
FTB mods still exists? Damn I can’t even remember last time I played blood and bones
@@snhprojects2789 bruh I'm playing mc eternal too it's fucking great
@@snhprojects2789 mce just *absorbs* ram
Benchmarks aren't everything most people have something in the background running like discoard and browser . Going from 16 gb to 32gb in the real world performance it fell more Snaper. Just keep it in mind benchmarks aren't everything this is not the usual use of pc while gaming.
If you're offended by this I'm sorry.
Edit: word
i usually keep 40 pornhub tabs open while i game
exactly i run 32 gigs on my system and my son runs 16 gigs and he says my system is more responsive doing the same things he does on his pc while playing games
@@shinukage8573 with my system there was a bit of a difference going from 2x8GB dual channel to 4x8GB dual channel. I was honestly not expecting any improvement on the game I was playing,I bought more to be reatdy for Microsoft flight sim 2020,but there was quite an improvement appearently due to it now running in Dual Rank mode for each channel.
You don't need to apologise for people potentially being offended by you stating your opinion. Anyone who thinks you aren't allowed to think for yourself should be apologising to you, not the other way around.
@@kylematlock7499 Dual-rank can make a big difference in some software, though it's very variable (some games love memory rank interleaving, some don't care about it at all). A lot of people with 16GB could benefit from going up to 32GB for this reason.
I only have 16 GB personally, but the most I’ve managed to utilize was about 90%, and that was due to watching a video on UA-cam, having like 8 other Chrome tabs open, and working on something in Photoshop at the same time
You should always try to stay below 80% because Windows will aggressively push things out of RAM to try to maintain 80%.
@@deViant14 Right. I never usually reach that high of utilization for my RAM anyways, so that was more of an exception than the rule for me.
I don't know if my computer has problems, but my ram usage ALWAYS maxes out whenever I'm editing a lot of files in Photoshop OR Premiere Pro. Today, I'll be upgrading to 32gb since I think it'll genuinely help me out when I'm editing.
@@MutaharFarooq Yeah Photoshop I know decodes the JPEG format or whatever one you're working with into like a bitmap representation in memory which is typically many times the size of the source file. Some of it is cached in scratch disks, which you may also want to look into optimizing by maybe having a scratch disk on a different drive than your image source's drive. I'm not an expert in either but the things I mention exist in roughly the way I've said at the very least.
@@MutaharFarooq It’ll probably help a good amount, especially if you use Photoshop on a more professional level. I personally use it as a hobby, so the projects I work on are on a much smaller scale in comparison.
For you Tarkov example, it using 14gb does in fact mean it would max out a 16gb kit. A game using 8gb will leave you with maybe 4-5 gb free, not 8gb free. Not including any applications you might have open.
Nobody ever seems to consider that Windows uses a lot of ram. If you have 16gb, windows is using 3-4gb at any given moment. It scales with how much you have.
8gb = windows uses 2gb.
32gb = windows uses 4-6gb.
Cities: Skylines can absolutely SMASH through 32 gigs of RAM if you’ve got a suuuuuper huge city. Other than that, you’re good to go.
Not even a „suuuper huge city“. 100k citizens and a bit of modding ate 48GB RAM.
Yup
Or you know... 9000 ASSETS
Loading screen mod should help alleviate that issue.
Most asset creators check the RAM usage of their assets before uploading.
I got 32gb because of the recommended specs for flight simulator
was about to make the same comment,just bought 2 more sticks ;) can't wait,looks awesome!
It might use above 16gb but I would like to see under what scenario it does.
Not saying that you won't benefit from having 32 or more, just want to know what would use this much ram. Is 16 not enough to load all of the necessary textures on a wide view at a distance?
@@FallenPasha Thought I would just comment here.
I have a 2080ti SLI & i9 9900k OC 5GHz. I have all the settings maxed out and I would almost constantly crash whenever I landed at NY Airport. I also noticed I had micro stutters even when flying around casually. I switched my 16gb 3600 Ram to a 32gb 3000mhz and there is no crashing at all.
With the 16GB I used about 90-95% ram every time playing MSFS. Now with the 32GB I use about 20Gb. I am sure if I lowered the settings I could run the game smoothy with 16GB but instead I just upgraded the RAM. Definitely worth spending that extra money to futherproof your setup.
@@FallenPasha Whenever you load up cities with accurate photogrammetry, the RAM usage can exceed 16GB. Try loading Paris or New York and you'll see that you won't be able to play MSFS while a chrome browser is open.
With MSFS open at 1440p Ultra, I sit at 25GB of RAM usage with 32GB of RAM.
of course , i bought ram like a week ago
and now every brand is on sale......
of course.
Yeah, there is a pretty huge sale going on at the moment.
32GB of ram in 2020 is a no brainer for any type of moderate to heavy power user. Windows 10 loves memory head room. It’s able to allocate to its processes more freely...thus a smoother desktop and gaming experience. When I switched from 16 to 32, it wasn’t night and day, but it was a noticeable change in smoothness. Subtle but still noticeable.
Windows: 3GB RAM
Warzone: 11GB RAM
2-Chrome Tabs: 1-2GB RAM
Total: 15-16GB RAM
Yeah i saw stutters once i had 2 tabs open when playing Warzone sooo yeah it’s time to upgrade because it’s cheap right now and you are future-proofing yourself.
Think of it like this: Do you want your RAM to run at a very high 90-95% utilization when gaming or do you want it to run at 40-50% cruising speeds making it not overheat and having it last longer?
No you only need 512 mb of ram in 2020
256mb only really needed 512 is overkill in most games.
@@Edmundostudios 256!!! my medium end pc has 32mb and runs just fine in minesweeper
What's ram
640kb is enough for anyone as Bill Gates famously never said.
Nah 32kb is enough for most gaming
When you building a new rig now i would recommend 32gb of ram so you wont have problems with it for 4-5 years
Nah. You can just make sure you have 4 ram slots on your motherboard and buy the ram when/ if you need it
@@THEpicND by then we'd have ddr5 for a few years
@@THEpicND waste money on an old rig after 4 years doesnt sound worth to me. Better pay now and use the potential for 4 years straight. If you gonna invest in your pc why not at the start. At least I would replace the gpu over time and not add stuff like ram
@@scottyhaines4226 $$$$
I built a system with 32GB in 2013 still haven't reached the point yet where I needed it lol
Me as a star citizen player: NEED MORE NOT ENOUGH
I went to 32GB as when I play Division 2 I see that my PC uses up to 18GB at anytime. If I had 16GB it would have to go to the SSD for data and may be just a bit slower.
think 32GB is a fine option, but maybe ram would be optimized a bit different with 16GB. or it would make sense if windows uses a bit more ram if there is a lot free ram available.
maybe it wouldn't though and not having enough ram does not feel nice.
@@smievil Yeah windows is weird as it optimizes RAM differently when it notices 16GB versus 32GB. I picked up 2X16 32GB kits months ago at $94.99 on Newegg. Now the same kit is going for over $170.00.
nah, realistically people don't just playing only game at the time. they always open chrome tab watch youtube checking facebook,discord,steam in the background while playing game and occasionally ALT+Tab to chrome watching youtube video at the same time their game is running in the background. so you definitely need more than 16gb of ram
3:50
Dawid: "Finally a game that uses more than 16 gigs of ram!"
Star Citizen: "Am I a joke to you?"
For real man
Hahah yeah. My Ram monitor tells me 16gb is 90% in SC 😦
@@CollyDoo I just made the switch to 32gb of ram from 16. Makes a WORLD of difference. Stuttering is almost gone :) Definitely recommend it for the time being.
Flight sim 2020: hold my beer
Jeez someone get this man a sponsor, he really deserves it. love your content man
without even watching the video i can say with absolute certainty that yes 32GB is not only usable, but its mandatory imo. anything less than 32gb and youre limiting your computer. Depending on game and settings of coarse.. I game at 4k ultra 120hz. I have 32GB ddr4 3200mhz. According to afterburner overlay while gaming i use between 26GB and 30GB. If i am using 30GB then if i only had 16GB then something somewhere would be limited.
32GB is also great for video editing. There are a ton of reasons why 32GB at a minimum is the place to be.
impff itching to get to 128 soon, videoediting on davinci cuz thatz what i can use at all ^^ and a few tabs, being also a tech guy helping ppl to get deals and so i need sites there as well, mostly qat 80-85% usage of my 64gb, so yeah, even THAT is already challenging :P
I was playing scum the other day and I found a spot where it memory leaked 27gb, so at that point I was happy I had 32gb of memory cus it meant my computer was still running. :P
I use 2GB RAM for gaming and especially watching UA-cam videos including Dawid Does Tech Stuff's videos.
My condolences...
2GB in my very old laptop as well btw, horrible experience 😜😉
2GB is impressive. My old laptop has 8GB and I occasionally throttle at the limit just with my normal tab-junkie-heavy Chromium-usage.
My main rig which is kind of old, too, has 16GB and I've only filled that up only a couple times and only when having an unreasonable amount of things open.
I'd still go for 32GB in my next rig.
Matt Savage my main has 64GB but I use it for work as well so not only gaming.
But the Intel i3-370M in my old laptop with the 2GB 1066MHz RAM and a 5.400rpm spinning rust drive? ... yeah, absolute garbage 😩 It still does UA-cam btw ... at 720p and buffering alot 🤣😂
@@MrJohnLongbow I would say you could upgrade that but with the CPU I'm not sure if it's even worth it, at least your desktop is nice and overkill
@jim rose Idk how he does it but ram and HDD could be swapped, but like, what's the point
It's inevitable in my opinion: I like playing while doing something else in the background
@@ghostedsuicide Hi, I'm someone who plays games and doesn't do other things in the background. I prefer to enjoy the game and not be distracted.
A caveat is that when I need info, I'll look it up on my phone or laptop, so I understand why multiple displays are useful. They just aren't what I use as they take away from my immersion in the game.
Having recently finished Subnautica, having another screen showing materials needed really helps.
Agreed. Im upgrading my ram tomorrow to 32gb. I dont see a big performance gaming difference but when I am also browsing and opening other clients or downloading other programs then I start noticing things. Like you said "Its inevitable"
@@FallenPasha no music? what games are you playing?
as an owner of 64GB ram in his PC...i'm compensating for everything :(
Dual rank will help tremendously so yes. At a high speed and low cas latency that is. Either way dual rank will still help a lot no matter what. I recommend everyone start out with 2x16 gb sticks because it's 32gb, dual rank, dual channel of course, also they can upgrade in the future easily and only buy 2 more sticks of the same ram.
I'll leave this here: MICROSOFT FLIGHT SIMULATOR 2020
he says it at the end of the video
He mentions that as well. Doesn't change the fact that the average gamer is absolutely ok with 16 gb
Exactly, It's using an average of 22,5 GB of RAM overflying Tokyo or NY
@@cehaem2 Yes, BUT only at the very end of the video. Throughout the video I'd say the average viewer would be under the impression that 16GB is WAAAY enough, when in fact it actually is not. That's the issue. The video is still great and I agree that most people don't need more than 16GB - no doubt about it.
@@galmubi5406 Yes, for the average gamer 16 gigs is more than enough.
Thanks! I just downloaded some additional 16GB's of RAM just to be sure!
I remember upgrading to 2GB Ram around 2005, some friends said no need for that much when 1gbwas recommended for very few games, then out came battlefield 2142 with 1500GB for recommended
1500GB?? Crazy!
Short answer: no
Long answer: noooo
Me: Sees title
Also me: tell THAT to star citizen!
Yeah. SC can gobble up 16gb easy in Lorville.
In escape from tarkov, to my knowledge if u restart the game between changing maps, it really does help with using less ram. I think the game saves the maps to ram, and when u restart the game it only loads the one map ure playing. It also helps with bugs and performance overall.
Or you can shell out an extra $60 and make your computer wait on you instead of the other way around.
I just recently rebuilt my system a few months ago, I had the extra capitol so I threw 32 gigs into it. Not because I thought I would need it now, but that I would eventually in the future. And since ram is cheap right now I figured it would make sense to do it while I was already building and spending money anyway.
32GB will probably become the 'norm' when more cores become utilised, SSD's become faster and games have more + larger assets (4K textures ect.). I suspect that this will be sooner, than a lot of people think. You will start seeing more and more games being developed along these lines with 8-cores, fast SSD's, more assets and 4K in mind, soon after the consoles are released, since they will have them. I can see 32GB becoming the recommended specs in most AAA games maybe by 2022, especially once DDR5 and PCIe 5.0 drops, which will have SSD's capable of read speeds up to 16GB/s.
I have also set my system with 32GB 3600mhz CL16 RAM but don't need that much at all while playing games at 4k on my RX 6900 XT LC Top Edition 😜
BeamNG uses a lot of ram, especially when loading large maps wih traffic too, 16GB is actually limiting me (if my 4570 wasn't already crying out for an upgrade*
That's interesting. I tried out BeamNG for this video but couldn't get it to use more than 13Gb on that American roads map.
I heard it uses a lot of cores.
You sure the game doesn't just have a memory leak (coding issue) or just fill up the memory because it is there?
@@DawidDoesTechStuff ,
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67% usage of an R9-3950x at one point even though it only ran at 16FPS!! ouch! The CPU was the bottleneck (because the GPU wasn't). I haven't played the game or simulator or whatever it is but it not only uses more cores than an R7-3700x provides it's still limited by the single-core performance! At least based on the video.
@@photonboy999 The thing is the traffic and your car only uses real cores so once you ran out of cores to load the traffic the fps will drop, i have that game/simulator with a ryzen 2700.
About ram i don't know cause my cpu was bottlenecking before i ran out of ram.
And all this time I've been running it with 8GB on a RYZEN 7 1700 with a GT1030...🤦
Got a 32GB Crucial Ballistix, ASUS GTX1650 Super, and an M.2 SSD coming from NewEgg this week. 😈
Well. Escape from Tarkov or whatever it's called answered the question. It's RAM usage got up over 14gb. Windows 11 clean install uses from 1.9 to 2.6 just at idle with no programs running other than task manager. So that would, in theory, cause a 16gb RAM setup to crash.
12 actually seems to be the practical point at this point as someone managing systems with 4,6,8,10,12,14,16,18,24 and 32 gb of ram across various CPUs in various combinations from the past ten years, for gaming.
12 is probably enough in terms of quantity but it's not a practical number when taking dual channel into consideration. Except if you have 2x4 and 2x2.
"Potential short comings" well, i have you know I graduated at the top of my class in the Navy Seals...
Dawid: You Probably don't need 32 GB of Ram
Josh: Hi, this is Josh from "Let's Game it Out", today we are playing Satisfactory....
josh has 64gb for the games he plays lol
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS no wait PLANET COASTER
Not gonna lie im getting 32gigs of ram just to have all the ram slots lit up with RGB 😂😂
I could have gone for 2 sticks of XPG D60G, but I ended up with 4 instead.
That's pretty much why I run 4x8 Gskill. The RGB, baby!
Actually, if you stream and/or do video production, more RAM is useful. If your game uses 14GB, it's nice to have more than 16 so background processes have some memory to use.
You can now get 32 GB kits for the same price as 16 GB kits. Or in some cases they cost 10-12 dollars more. There's no reason to get a 16 GB kit over a 32 GB kit at these prices unless you for some reason need ultra fast RAM for benchmarks or that 5 fps performance increase.
That doesn't necessarily mean that you should *upgrade* from 16 GB to 32 GB right now, but if you are buying new RAM go with 32 GB. It's much more expensive to buy 16 GB now and upgrade to 32 GB a year or two down the line.
When I was playing star citizen I needed 24gb for no stutter during jumps.
*I'm using 32GB of RAM but only because I built My PC for Video Editing. But I don't think I notice it, lol*
@@onionwarlock7407 Already have a Great CPU. But having more Ram isn't just for gaming unless you ONLY game. I don't ONLY game, I'm also a content creator so I shoot in HI-Res almost all the time.
@@onionwarlock7407 no no it's fine I had built my First PC in July of 2020 but I opted for 32GB because 16 isn't enough and thanks for watching my channel.
Got 64GB a few weeks ago... now the rest of the PC
Wait really? How much may I ask “Cringes”
Planning on saving for pc but kinda a noob, but have a friend I talk to all the time that helps me understand and talks to me about his current build ever now and then.
@@hostileenvironment6107 got 128gb now... 600 bucks total. still waiting for my gpu and cpu tho
@@nicksparrow009 Holy mother of aunt petunia, what you Running RL craft with added mods and a 128x realistic texture pack? :-0 I hate to imagine the price converted to Canadian AGFHFHHFGGHHGGHHGH
@@hostileenvironment6107 If I didn't win Crypto lotettery
Yeah as a heavy Cities Skylines player I can assure that 32GB is not overkill - it's bare minimum
At 5:24 I would suggest saying it aloud that there will be flickering, epilepsy is a very serious thing.
I honestly feel sorry for the people who looked away as the warning was only in text just to see flickering, been seeing these things in UA-cam Shorts and TikTok.
I don't have epilepsy but I believe I know why they probably never complain, because they don't wanna risk it on social media where there are no strict measures in place, sad really.
Love your channel btw bro
use prime cache to cache game files to speed up game loading. In assassin creed odyssey I saw a huge difference by allocating 15gb for caching.
That's a very interesting suggestion. A great way to use the extra RAM you have sitting around.
I definitely needed it for Ms flight 2020 in 1440p, I saw usage of 23gb flying into lax
Daily driving and playing a game I see my ram usage get to 14gb so I am very happy with my 32gb setup. Especially since I could be playing a game and watching videos and having multiple tab opens
Need? Perhaps not, but it will help. I often hit 16-24GB of ram used while playing games. My last system had 16GB and I often ran into low memory issues. Now I do have a triple / quad monitor setup and often run several programs while playing games.
If all you are going to do is play one game and run nothing else, yes 32GB of ram is a little overkill. But if you plan on watching video on another monitor or run other programs you really do want 32GB.
I know this video is 3 years old now. But yeah, every gaming system should have 32GB of ram. 64GB will be needed in a couple years, especially if you play in 4K. I play on just 1080 x 60. In Fortnite and Hogwarts Legacy, my system ram usage is usually up around 20gigs used. And that's with basically nothing else running in the background. If you have multiple monitors and want to have some YT videos, or Netflix playing on the other monitor, would be a bit higher. 32GB should satisfy most everyone's needs for a couple / few more years.
Everybody: do you really need this much ram my guy? It’s insane and overkill...
Hoarders: *YES*
I don't know about gaming but Photoshop wants half of whatever you've got.
On my 10th Gen i3, WD Black M.2, 16 GB Ripjaws 2600, and an old GT1030, it doesn't eat more than 6GB. But ya, when I had 8GB it tried.
Same, try editing with DaVinci Resolve. 32GB ram definitely helps. That beast of a software likes to eat even 24GB of ram.
I got 64GB to deal with my tabs. I am using 38 GB right now
Jesus christ how many tabs do you have open
@@brianhuynh4211 3,400 and if you were wondering my browser takes 5 to 10 min to open
Windows 10. With Edge and Chrome both open, Excel, PDFs, a Picture Viewer, Discord, "Download Management" software, and background tasks - and a 16GB RAMDrive:
Using 28.4GB RAM.
That's before I open Game Launchers (ie: Steam, Epic, GoG, etc) and an actual Game. With a video going on the side monitor as I often do while playing.
I'm glad I got matching "hand me down" RAM, from a friend when they upgraded, that doubled what I had before. So now I have 64GB.
**Browsers use 10-50 tabs for me. Keeps where I am in multiple Webcomics, UA-cam series, etc. without having to re-open them or lose where I am...
Short answer: Yes
If you play like Call of Duty or Flight Simulator on the highest settings at 1440p or more. You're FPS will mostly stay the same but you're computer won't slow down at all if you like to game with other applications open like chrome, discord, etc.
You had me at ... “I have 32gigs of RAM” - swoon 😋
Flight Simulator 2020: Hold my beer!
According to Techdeals 32 gigs makes your computer feel smoother and more responsive and future games will most likely need 32 gigs of RAM.
I have 32 gigs of ram. I also have an 8 core cpu. Most games, on their own, don't fully use 32 gigs of ram. It's a different story when you are streaming, have multiple browser tabs and other apps open at the same time. Also, i regularly use a decompression/installer system that normally uses well over 20 gigs of ram. The more ram and cpu threads you have, the faster it works. Also i do audio work. I can sometimes have huge projects open. Ie an hours worth of samples and insturments. That almost maxes out my ram and hammers my cpu usage during playback.
I just bought a 32G set for $75. The only game that needs it is a heavily modded Skyrim list called Arisen, which uses 10-12 gigs of VRAM and around 12-13 gigs of system RAM at any given time. I could run that with only 16G of RAM, but it isn't comfortable at all. I would have to close out all my programs in order to keep the game from stuttering due to a lack of resources. As far as my testing goes, Skyrim SE is the only game that has used more RAM than is typical and that is only due to mods that use 4K to 8K textures.
For the price, though, I'd say to go for it. Right now (Oct. 2022) RAM prices are really good. I personally bought Silicon Power RAM as that was $10 cheaper than the competition. I'd definitely recommend 32G if you like having a lot of other programs open while you're gaming or you enjoy modded Skyrim.
I have 64GB and 128 would be a sweat spot for me xD
I have 8 gigs lol. Planning to upgrade to 16 real soon though but 8 gigs so far is actually marvelous. Can't complain. Really.....if you only gonna do gaming then 16 gig will be more than enough. 8 gigs alone is already enough in most cases.
Can you test with multitasking 16GB vs 32GB? Gaming with browser open with say 20-40 tabs. And maybe some other programs like email and multiple game launchers.
the 32 gigs of RAM (or the max afforded) are a good way of time-proofing a PC.
I just got the whole 64GB even tho I really have no need for it. It was the pretty kind with LED's and makes me feel good. There's probably memory locations that have never been used at all.
There are some PC games that will benefit from having more then 16GB of ram. Just to name three PC titles is Microsoft Flight Simulator, Star Citizen, Cities Skylines.
Owning 32GB of RAM for the most part just helps the PC run smoother. Chances are you got quite a few apps running in the background like Discord, Steam, Epic Store, Keyboard/Mouse Software, Software to control RGB lights in your PC system. Perhaps you are the type that uses Edge/Chrome and have multiple TABS open while playing a game.
Thank you for the "Strobe effect" warning. I have epilepsy and that shit gives me seizures... A LOT (if not the majority) of people don't put that in their videos (taking about the warning). Subscribed!!
Tech Deals is having a stroke watching this.
Ahahahha
16GiB is already the minimum for a lot of newer games. Even if 32GiB won´t increase the maximum Fps in most games, in many cases it gives better 1% and 0,1% lows and better, smoother frametimes.
Yes but it’s a minimum for whole os not game only lol
Sometimes large amounts of RAM help people who do not wish to use swap-space (virtual-memory etc.), so as to prevent wear-and-tear on a hard-drive (especially SSD/NAND).
Additionally, some linux gamers like to boot an entire OS instance like a LIVE-CD/DVD iso (or similar image) into RAM, and sometimes also a virtual machine, so all settings are applied like a system image per game or per games-setup (a bunch of games).
An entire (extra) OS is sometimes virtualised in addition to the gaming OS. That extra OS is used for other functions such as dedicating CPU power to voice-chat. This is because people often use a cheap CPU with a top-heavy GPU these days (as people are not made of money). If they do not do this, the fact that their CPU bottlenecks and maxes out _(which it will do, whether or not the extra core is 'spent' on a VM)_ means voicechat can cut out during gameplay.
To use an extreme example, combining something like a fx8350 (versus an i5 4460) with a rx570 or rx580 can cause the CPU to max out at 100%, but also some games will max-out on the cores used, leaving the last core or two unused _(because not all games optimise for so many threads)._ Therefore, people dedicate those "squandered cores" to a VM just for stable voice-chat. Running a Movim instance is but one example. Other CPU architectures can end up using this (especially unlocked cores).
It can be far cheaper to buy a bunch of cheap 2nd hand slower RAM than expensive fast RAM. For many gamers, the RAM in the screenshot at the start of the video is far beyond their budget for an entire PC, let alone RAM _(which is more like a 6th or 8th of that cost)._ About a third of that cost can often cover 32GB of DDR3. Also, some people use chinese boards retrofitted to use DDR3 on modern CPU. If such people really wanted 16GB, they could get four slower 4GB sticks. Otherwise 8GB is four 2GB sticks at 75p, thereby meaning £3, or $3-to-$4 _(i.e. about 10% of the cost your video outlaid)._
If you add up all the various "cheap-hack" combinations of PC people use other than mainstream _(such as OEM fx8350/i5 or unlocked CPU or retroacted chinese DDR3 boards),_ the people using those are significant in numbers compared to those buying that DDR4.
If it wasn't for people with tiny budgets learning to squeeze pennies out of hardware (like fixing-up old mining cards), you'd not be able to make videos on flashing a GPU bios etc. Remember them. Necessity is the mother of invention. For everyday gamers, a VM for voicechat can be less complex a trick to do than some of the RAM-eating examples in the video.
The whole reason I have 32gb of RAM is to run a 12gb L2 cache by PrimoCache. I also devote a 1tb Gen 4 M.2 drive to the L2 cache. This makes all my spinning rust drives load data as fast as the M.2 SSD. This in conjunction with 5800X3D and it's increased cache makes for a wildly smooth run of just about anything.
Smartphones are nearing 16Gb RAM... that's humiliating, lol. So I have 32Gb because, well, why not?
actually sir they are not nearing 16gb's they have 16gb's as of today www.gsmarena.com/asus_rog_phone_3_zs661ks-10296.php the ROG phone 3 in its higher form has 16Gb's of ram :D does any android games require that much , god no ! can you have multiples heavy graphical games stored in the ram for when you are ready to play with them , yes .
@@darkmadrap Android is a Java platform and Java is well known to hog lots of RAM
the reason why phones have such high ram is to make up for their slow processing capabilities. a pc can open up and run an app in less than a second and for a phone to appear just as capable it keeps everything "open" in ram just in case you go to open it. this is why when you restart your phone everything is slow at first until you open it then it keep it in ram for as long as possible.
Also mobile ram is not nearly as advanced as pc ram
I recommend 32, feels better.
*PLACEBO LVL. 999999*
@@irun2sanaxox its not placebo. If you play games and use other apps such as discord, chrome, spotify and others you will definitely get a snappier system. Its for user experience not performance.
@@element4215 uhm i have a question, will 16gb of ram be enough for casual gaming and watching anime only?
@@lolidkbuthi105 I mean 16gb is more then enough for casual gaming, unless you playing Tarkov like mentioned before or Stellaris with some mods and a large map. With Stellaris I had and issue that with mods it required 20 gb of ram.
I also remembered that some games like Battlefield V with RTX on and ultra setting used to eat like 15 gb of ram, but I haven't checked it out for a long time.
I feel so sorry for you with everyone saying “Thiddy Twwoooo Gigabytes” : ((( 😂
If you use your computer for more than just gaming you're going to want 32GB. You do anything else when gaming that 16GB is going to feel very cramped pretty quickly. Especially if you game, stream have a browser open at the same time and such, you're constantly going over 16GB.
That being said a few games alone will tear through 16GB ram, cities skylines will eat through the ram, BeamNG while using BeamMP with a lot of players will eat through ram.
I'd rather have more than enough than not enough.
It doesn't hurt to upgrade to 32gb of ram, the gains are very small, however, the gains are noticable IN SOME APPLICATION, more notable if you are streaming or have a lot of other apps open in the background while you game. These tests are done standalone on just the games themselves and not while simultaneously running multiple browser tabs, discord, twitch, spotify, etc.
THOUGH I WILL SAY THIS: While having 32gb future-proofs you and gives you a slight edge in performance, especially when multitasking... there are other PC bottlenecks I would spend money upgrading FIRST before spending $70-80 on two additional sticks of ram. I would put the money towards a GPU or NVME SSDs first before I would upgrade ram if I am already at 16gb. Just makes more financial sense and you will notice bigger gains from that.