The WORST LOCAL BROADCAST DISASTER in ABC Monday Night Football HISTORY | Cowboys @ Redskins (1983)
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- During week 1 of the 1983 NFL season on ABC's Monday Night Football between the Dallas Cowboys and the Washington Redskin, one local broadcast in Seattle put on an absolute disaster of a presentation. Not only did KOMO, the ABC affiliate, controversially air the game on tape delay, and not only did a weird technical glitch cause viewers in the Seattle/Tacoma area to miss a part of the game, but their incompetence spoiled an incredible comeback and an incredible game to open up the season. And let's just say that people were not too pleased about it. This is the story behind the broadcasting controversy that impacted Monday Night Football in one of the largest TV markets in the USA
NOTE: If some clips have weird filters on them that make the image seem blurrier or darker than you might expect, that is because of UA-cam. That was the least intrusive filter I could have on those clips without the video getting blocked. Why the video got blocked, even though there are many clips of the exact same game available on UA-cam that do not satisfy the four fair use factors as set forth in Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music, I have no clue; however, it was either do the video with the filter, or don't do the video at all
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Wow...I don't remember this story but my goodness, talk about a Week 1 disaster. Great job telling this one. As always, your context and ability to lay out a story from start to finish are amazing.
Wow, in this day and age, the station's general manager might have been tarred and feathered for that!
I'm surprised it took them 13 years to change the policy. That policy was worse than if you did nothing but spike the ball into the ground on every single play!
Or spike Howard Cosell's toupee into the ground every time he opened his mouth.
ABC is not a network. It is a brand of some 200 TV affiliates.
I have lived in Seattle all my life and remember the public wasn’t pleased about KOMO delaying MNF for many years. I also remember back in 1995 KOMO accidentally aired the 2nd quarter at the 7PM hour when they would air the kickoff! That was one of the factors why they changed that delay policy a year later.
KOMO must not have valued its viewers very much. How it waited until '96 to finally get its act together is simply astounding to me.
@@marcus813 back then I didn’t watch their news because of that I watched mostly KIRO 7 at that time.
As unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian historians might know I’m from Seattle originally (I now live in an undisclosed location). I was there when KOMO4 had its tape delay policy, so I took to regularly listening to the national radio broadcast. One time I listened and was very pleased with the final score of a game since I predicted it exactly right in a pool I entered. I was so happy I inadvertently ruined it for my dad, who wanted to watch it on KOMO4 on the delay.
Fun Fact: You mentioned how the NBA was routinely on tape delay on CBS. Game 6 of the 1980 Finals between the Lakers and 76ers featured Rookie Point Guard Earvin “Magic” Johnson starting at center and posting a 42/15/7 line in clinching the championship for the Lakers. The game was shown live in only four markets. The two cities in the game as well as…wait for it…Portland and Seattle.
This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made videos about the following:
1. How MNF started on ABC in 1970.
2. How another Cowboys game two years earlier was aired on tape delay in Austin due to CBS believing the home of the University of Texas would much rather watch the US Open men’s finals than the Cowboys home opener against the Cardinals.
The, Supersonics, won, the, Championship, in 1979, before, making a collection of disastrous personnel moves, before, ultimately, moving to Oklahoma City, decades, later, the, Trail Blazers, won, the, Championship, in 1977, and, that's the last time things have gone, remotely, right, for, them, period.
@@matthewdaley746 Bill Walton being perpetually injured was HORRIBLE for the Blazers. #TERRIBLE!
@@donaldpaluga As a result his career was VERY DISAPPOINTING.
@@donaldpaluga He won, The, MVP, Award, despite, missing several Games, but, with, big men, you, either, have a career, like, KAJ'S, or, you have one, like, his, where you miss the equivalent, of several professional seasons, tragic.
@@CTubeMan Centers often very fragile.
It's fu¢king amazing that you not only have knowledge of so many of these types of stories, but that you have enough information regarding these stories to be able to make such interesting & informative videos for all of us football-heads out here, most of whom are waiting patiently on a daily basis for each new video's release! Appreciate it all man! Hope you keep doing this for as long as you have the stories to tell us. 👍
If people in Seattle wanted to watch their local news, they could do so on either their NBC or CBS affiliates.
KING5 or KIRO7 would suffice for News.
I’m sure that would fly with the FCC when it would come to renewing KOMO’s broadcast license.
That's the very reason they aired the game on delay. They didn't their viewers going to a competitor...and possibly staying there. TV news was a big $$ maker.
isn't it still along with subscriber fees?@@TheOldTapeArchive
Narrator: "It was clear Dallas was struggling offensively ..."
Video: The least clear footage of NFL action that exists.
Well it turns out that it can be hard to find good footage of nearly 40 year old broadcasts
Believe the only time KOMO didn't tape delay MNF when they did is whenever the Seahawks played on MNF. But KATU in Portland still did that, regardless of whether the Seahawks were on or not.
I absolutely fn love this channel. Some of the footage seems like it should of been lost to time. Keep up the outstanding work.
I lived in Hawaii in the late 70s/early 80s and the local stations would start the broadcast live and then insert additional commercials and delay the game slightly. By the end of the game, they’d be 15 minutes behind. They even did this during a Super Bowl, inserting local commercials into the very expensive time slots. This would always infuriate me! Monday Night Football was always tape delayed. The local news stations would advise you to close your eyes while they showed the score on the screen.
WABC-TV (channel 7) in New York City did carried “Monday Night Football” at 9PM eastern time since the game was live, not tape delay. After “Monday Night Football” came the local news after that.
So, the live radio broadcast had been available for every Monday night game? If so, why is the spoiler effect suddenly an issue for this lost signal of just 10 minutes? I understand the problem, but could not anyone during all those years have heard the action jumped ahead by 1 hour just by flipping on a radio, or unintentionally being within earshot of one?
On the positive side, I give you kudos for looking up the wind speed in Seattle on a particular night almost 40 years ago. Only our Jaguar Gator would do that for our videos!
Outside of Seattle, this game is remembered for being the beginning of the end of Howard Cosell's career (the "Little Monkey" remark at the 8:00 point of this clip).
Totally moronic statement period.
par for the course cosell was drunk off his ass at that point.
@@stevenbauer4799 Alcohol just exacerbated behavior.
@@matthewdaley746 Sure did. i wonder why abc didn't tell their mnf guys to lay off the booze? namath got busted for being in the car with an abc exec drunk and with open beer cans in the car that led to his removal from mnf.
@@stevenbauer4799 Cowardice, was, certainly, involved.
Amazing to think that the '83 Redskins were two one-point losses away from being the 2007 Patriots.
That Superbowl still bugs me. HTTR.
Like, the Devils in hockey, they, won, three, Championships, but, their best team, was, the one that, lost, Rocket Screen, is what should truly bother you, some fans still haven't forgiven Joe Gibbs, today.
@@matthewdaley746 '91 was the best team. And everyone makes mistakes.
@@davidozab2753 1983, was, the better team, but, the,y lost, the margin of defeat, for, the, 1991, team, was, greater, and, that same team fell off of a cliff one year, later, though, their record, was, identical, having said that, it's still the greatest team nobody talks about, some fans, are, unforgiving.
@@matthewdaley746 the man got us 3 lombardis with 3 different QBs......if that don't make them wanna forgive him.......
@@crittoneida958 Fans often turn silly.
I've heard that (and you've confirmed it for the Seattle TV market, thought it was also unconfirmed in the San Francisco Bay Area, too). So glad these local TV stations ditched these practices.
San Francisco's ABC affiliate KGO was (and still is) owned by the ABC network itself.
The Bay Area never tape-delayed MNF.
@@brianoneill7186 That makes sense given that KGO-TV has been an ABC owned-and-operated station (O&O) since day one. KOMO has always been just an affiliate.
@@marcus813 at that time KOMO and KATU in Portland were locally owned by Fisher Broadcasting
Monday Night Baseball, on the other hand, was tape delayed most of the time, until about 1987.
The atmospheric problems could have happened anywhere between LA and Seattle, since that was the origination of the delayed feed. And clear days are the best for tropospheric ducting, which can cause wild errors (I once picked up a Washington DC FM station clear as a bell near Texarkana).
Could have been worse, we all know what happened, just three short years, earlier.
The 1992 Orange Bowl featured similar problems, which led to the most surreal technical difficulties I’ve ever seen.
@@CTubeMan Actual, hurricanes, frequently, occur.
Being from Washington state when he says K.O.M.O. it bugs me because we always say Komo as a word. But still as always great video.
I've never even been west of Kansas and I've known that for many years. It was odd for me to hear the station's calls spelled out as a result.
On the radio, legally they had to spell it out at the top of the hour.. FCC regulation. That’s why folks spell it out if they aren’t from Seattle. Radio KOMO just received new call letters.
Wasn't "NFL Monday Night Football" also carried on either CBC or CTV in Canada?
In the analog era, viewers in Seattle and points north were able to get CBC and CTV from Vancouver or Victoria either off air or via cable.
If that was the case, some in the area might have tuned in CBC or CTV and saw it live.
In 1983, Global Television Network in Ontario had a contract to broadcast Monday Night Football presented by Labatt's. There were occasions when Monday Night Football was blacked out because Toronto, where Global is based and served Southern and Eastern Ontario, was within the 75 mile radius of Buffalo and the game wasn't sold out. There used to be a UA-cam video describing why Monday Night Football was unavailable but that clip was taken down.
To answer your question, I'm not sure if the independent station in Vancouver whose call letter have escaped me, had a similar arrangement to show Monday Night Football.
This comment almost sounds like it should be a future JG9 video.
Radio killed KOMO’s star plans (rimshot)
They couldn't rewind. They'd gone too far.
This story isn't the only time a Seattle affiliate would choose to air something on tape delay in favor of something else. It also happened with NASCAR in 1990, with Seattle's CBS affiliate, KIRO, airing that year's Daytona 500 on tape delay, so they could air a SuperSonics game live. Any other year, this would've been nothing. But this was the year Spanaway, WA native Derrike Cope got lucky, and beat DALE EARNHARDT on the last lap, due to Dale losing a tire. They effectively spiked the ball into the ground on every single play that day.
Derrike Cope should be working at a gas station, (at best), but, that lucky fluke has enabled him to have a, "career," in NASCAR, to this very day, a, Northerner, winning, that race, was ,considered, a, total disaster, back in those days, at least, Geoffrey Bodine, was, somewhat, popular, (My Late Uncle's favorite driver).
KIRO is the CBS affiliate in Seattle, not KING (KING is NBC).
@@waynestell2808 Thanks. I've edited accordingly!
The confusion stems from KING and KREM (the CBS affiliate in Spokane) being part of the same parent company--TEGNA
So, did they air Celtics/Lakers following it? Or making a bad even worse by airing Daytona on tape delay and preempting that?
Are you sure spiking the ball on every play wouldn't have been better than what they did? It tends to be better lol
Now of days, there are too many news casts these days. Morning, afternoon and night. Geez
I can relate. Back when the Lakers were on KCAL 9 if they were playing the Hawks, 76ers, Bucks, Knicks they were aired it at 530 instead of 430 even when NBA TV were showing clips live
At first I was surprised that part didn't already know there was a tape delay. I know as a kid, the local team's radio broadcast would suggest "turn down the TV & turn up the radio" during the game. If I were the radio manager there, I'd advertise that I had Monday night football an hour earlier as I presume there are some die hard fans or guys who maybe listen to the first 30 minutes in the drive home then don't worry about getting to the game late on TV as they eat dinner with the family.
NBC hasn't learned this yet with the Olympics. The amount of events they would tape delay to primetime spoiled by ESPN was insane.
I can understand it if the Olympics took place in, say, Asia or Australia, but not so much here in the Western Hemisphere or even in Africa or Europe.
A 9 pm kick off is CRAZY to begin with
You think that's bad-- some college games today don't start until 10 or even 11!
I'm not gonna lie, I can't believe that it wasn't widely known that the game was on the radio at 6 instead of on TV at 7. I wasn't alive back then, admittedly, but the papers would always put the start time and which local station was broadcasting a game on the sports section. Maybe some people who really didn't pay attention may not notice, but I cannot believe that it was unknown that the game was on, on a likely large local radio station at 6.
There are people who would never listen to a game on radio. They would skip the game altogether than listen to it.
Something similar to this happened in Milwaukee during the 1980 US-Soviet hockey game, which was on tape delay in the US. The local ABC affiliate, WISN 12 aired a news teaser that told the result during one of the commercial breaks.
To be fair, we still had to defeat Finland, though.
@@matthewdaley746 A lot of people don't know/remember that. But during the cold war, the whole appeal of watching the Olympics was to see the Americans beat the piss out of the Russians. Especially in events that the Eastern Bloc countries tended to dominate, such as hockey.
@@KnightBoat A lot of people forgot we, were, trailing going into the third period, and, because we tied another Game, a loss meant no medal, Herb Brooks is the man storming out of the rink, he knew their work, wasn't, finished.
@Chris Smith Sort of..... my understanding is that the US had to win both games to get the gold and may not have medaled at all if they lost one of them.
@Chris Smith A, remote, possibility, nonetheless.
REDSKINS.
Entire video is ruined by the blatant virtue signaling by calling the Redskins “Washington” the entire video
A clear day in Seattle??
Wow...
Days, without, rain, are, even rarer, only three years, earlier, the state would experience a catastrophic volcanic eruption, besides, it's, The, Kingdome, what did they care.
ive heard their summers are super nice but the rest of the year is dreary
@@UserName-ts3sp Rain, a constant occurrence.
Steve Pool was at KOMO way back then, huh? Looking smooth as ever too.
Why did you keep that article (that was too small to actually read) in the right corner for 4 whole minutes???
Man imagine someone randomly switching to the radio before this incident happened realizing what was going on with the tv broadcast...
I grew up watching MNF with this delay as I grew up in Olympia. I always hated the delay. It was this way before the Seahawks.
In a similar situation, I guess for a while back in the 80's in baseball now, the New York Yankees would start their home games at 8pm Eastern Time due to accommodating a newscast.
Can you believe that Glendive, Montana is its own TV market? And there are only 13,077 people in it??
(2020 United States Census)
TWIST: It wasn't a station error, or atmospheric event, but Steve Raible, who was not only doing Seahawk games alongside Pete Gross on KIRO 710, but was also at KIRO-7, giving hourly updates😁😁😁😁
But in actual twist, ABC would do this for the WLAF years later, tape delaying it two hours on the west coast.
Not, volcanic, (this, presentation).
Wrong, I have over 780 Cowboys games on DVD.....love watching my old games, you learn so much. Also in the 80's there. Would be taped delay preseason Cowboys games from the west coast.lovrd watching them
They did this in Portland for years. So stupid.
oregon had the same problem with Monday night football. we got it taped delay
8:15 that is some high quality video!
Yep... good ole Fisher Broadcasting.
Reminds me of the 'Heidi' game on November17, 1968 between the Raiders and Jets.
KOMO 4 (said as KOH-moh; rhymes with Romo) was pretty brazen to keep doing that same stuff for 12 more years. That's just crazy! Technology was gonna catch up with the station sooner or later. I haven't heard about other stations in the Pacific Time Zone pulling that stunt, so KOMO 4 appeared to be an outlier. I can't believe that declining ratings for its 6 p.m. newscast is what it took for KOMO 4 to finally come to its senses.
What's even worse is some games at the beginning of the '88 season had been bumped up an hour earlier, so in those I'm assuming they actually had a two hour delay
its sister station in portland apparently pulled the same crap... ratings matter at the end of the day
When I hear, "Before I go further.. ", that's the time to skip ahead about 8 minutes to get to the point.
Wow - as a Washington fan, this game stands out because this was Darrell Green's first game.
He obliterated the Bears.
Wow... I know it's bad enough missing one play to attend to other things... but a whole hour... through no fault of your own. Especially since most people would have gone to the radio during the outage. YIKES.
I have an idea for future video. Could you talk about the time FOX almost outbid ABC for Monday Night Football, back in the networks first year of 1987?
This game was epic as a Cowboys fan I remember vividly... I remember crying at halftime screaming to get Whitw out of there to loving White when it was over.... prior to the game Reagan gave a presidential speech to Russia about shooting down one of our planes..... the Cosell calling Washington a little monkey was the end of his career
No, Cosell went on many more years. No player actually thought it was racial to say that. It's a common expression not on a racial basis at all. Still, people believed Cosell should have realized how it'd sound. But all was forgiven.
@@brianarbenz1329 no he did not....1983 was his final year.... 1984 MNF had Oj Simpson, Joe Namath and Frank Gifford
Yeah, yeah, yeah... Dallas made three consecutive NFC Championship Games... But what you forgot to mention was that Dallas lost to Philadelphia, San Francisco and Washington.
They did better, than, the Steelers, who flatlined, after, SB 14, and, threw away their future by choosing the corpse of Terry Bradshaw over Dan Marino, a, totally, indefensible, decision.
Frustrating for Seattle area fans but nationally the big controversy involved ABC commentator Howard Cosell. During the game he affectionately said of Redskins receiver Alvin Garret "the little monkey really gets loose doesn't he." It so happened that Garret was black and thus the guess what hit the fan? One of the big objections came from the Reverend Joseph Lowery, President of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference. He demanded an apology from Cosell. What the good Reverend may not have been aware of was that Cosell had been a strong supporter of civil rights. As for garrett he said he liked the broadcaster and added "I didn't feel that it was a demeaning statement." Jesse Jackson and Mohammad Ali also came to Cosell's defense. The incident contributed to Howard's decision to leave Monday Night Football after that 1983 season.
Where did you get the KOMO news clips?
Little feedback
The volume of your voice a little higher please, every time i watch your videos i need to put it almost to the maximum
Thankfully there are no ads ear raping me here lol
Also your videos are interesting and really funny
I never knew that Seattle got it's Monday Night games an hour earlier.
What is going on with your underexposed video?
Footage was blocked. This was the least intrusive filter I could've used
@@OfficialJaguarGator9 Thank you for your response. Incidentally, your programs are unbelievably well-researched and entertaining.
When you say that the Cowboys are/were one of the most popular teams, does that include people who love to hate them? My dad used to say that he rooted for whoever faced the Cowboys and whoever faced the Redskins. And if they faced each other. he rooted for injuries.
At 8:45: Charlie Brown lost a football game? What a shocker!
30 years from now someone should make a video explaining why most of the picture quality of this 1983 game was so awful
Not much official footage was kept (mostly stuff from the NFL Films archives, which aren't totally available) and unofficial stuff is people taping games off the air, and then having the sense to digitize that film later on and make it available in a way JG9 can get (though he seems to have all publicly available footage somehow). Enough people tape over the game after watching it to tape an episode of MASH or whatever and it's gone forever.
It's funny to hear someone call it "K-O-M-O" which is usually what you'd guess someone would say if they weren't from Washington, where everyone here just calls it a flat "KOMO"
Like Perry Como
Cbs tape delays for nba at that time or even not at all in some areas.
Remember NBC one year showed the NCAA Basketball Championship. Taped delay Louisville vs I forget . But before the Taped delay broadcast . NBC went ahead and gave the final score.
darryl dunkenstein vs. ucla 1980.
Louisville, was, one of only two teams to, win, two, NCAA, Championships, in the 1980s, (Indiana), but, they, weren't, even the biggest school in their own state, classless, but, unsurprising.
@@stevenbauer4799 Another, Championship, in, 1986.
@@matthewdaley746 yep. big pervis ellison team led by denny crum. Yet uk gets all the limelight in ky. I bet the uk fans weren't too happy yesterday.
@@stevenbauer4799 I, was, because, Defeat, For, John Calipari, Is, Victory, For, America, he gave away, a, Championship, because, he, was, too pigheaded, to, foul, with, a, three-point, lead, in the final minute, of, regulation, Denny Crum is the most anonymous, Multiple-Champion, in history, which explains why Louisville ran him off, several years, later, so, pathetic.
Whu didn't the station just join the game in progress at 7:00?
Feel like there's too much filler on these videos, could easily make these a few minutes shorter. I get you like giving full explanations, but sometimes you go on too long describing things. Still watching either way cuz it's good content
Does the screen go really dark for anyone around the 8 minute mark?
Yep. It was the least intrusive filter I could use to prevent the video from getting blocked
was anyone thinking heidi during this video for it is comparable to that
That's my station!
When the Redskins were real.
Was KOMO4 Serious back then?!?
Radio broadcasts, incidentlally, were at the time carried on CBS Radio.
I will never live way out west. That's no way I'd want a weekday game to start at 5:30. I like my 7:30 time.
Beat. Around. The. Bush.
It’s always announcers fault when their team is losing. Fans all agree on that, it seems. Ridiculous IMHO
And in baseball, the end of the no-hit bid is always the fault of the announcer who mentioned it being a no-hitter.
🛑🛑 Seattle??
What do you expect???
Seattle Is Home of the “Nut Jobs” 😂🤷♂️.
First of all this is when the game was real and worth watching. Second it was just a game and not a religion or a way to pump out all the social justice junk they do now. And lastly the players were just men real men I might add that didn’t demand all the attention and pampering they get now.
yep. sjw infested national neeler league now led by their pamperer goodell.
UA-cam not letting me see your reply
@@mikepainter3111 typical. I called it the national when you bend your legs down to the ground wjs (backwards) led by their pamperer goodell. A few banned words in there i guess.
I’m glad I’ve got the option whether to watch it or not. Can’t stand todays NFL.
So one time the fans saw the score of a game? And that’s worth a whole 20 mInute video why? Waste of my time
While I appreciate the time and effort it took you to make this watching with headphones the audio cutout after EVERY FUCKING SENTENCE is so annoying and makes this borderline unwatchable for me.
Not to mention I can't stand his tone of voice narration on these videos. It's too harsh. He should tone it down.
Oh KOMO (co-moe) lol
Am I the only one here who thinks KOMO did the smart thing (at least for the time) of running the games an hour late? Probably yes. But they had the top news program and didn't want to alienate those viewers with an NFL preempt. This was an era when VCR'S were gaining popularity for taping live programs for later viewing.
So it began an hour later. So some fans missed 10 minutes of a game. If those fans had so much invested in the game that it had to be "live", then they could listen to the radio broadcasts every week. In 1983, the nation wasn't as sports/NFL obsessed as they are now. KOMO made the best decision, in terms of ratings and their finances, for their west coast market. They still have the best news in Seattle, BTW.
23-7
I lived in Northern Idaho at the time. The panhandle is on Pacific time, and we got our games off the ABC affiliate in Spokane who did not delay the games. I enjoyed the fact that the game started at six and finished around nine.
Since the players began disrespecting our National Anthem and flag, I don't watch football at all, nope not even the Stuper Bowl. And I find I have to lot of time to do other things.
WCW spoiling pretaped Raws it wasn't
Maybe we could get JG and Brian Zane to tag up for a review of Sept 11, 1995, the first head to head RAW/Nitro with Packers/Bears on ABC--complete with Bischoff equating Luger with Jerry Sandusky (HE'S TIRED OF PLAYING WITH LITTLE BOYS) and of course giving away Shawn vs Sid (HE BEATS THE BIG GUY WITH THREE SUPERKICKS THAT WOULDN'T HAVE EARNED A GREEN BELT AT THE LOCAL YMCA). It'd be fun
Gotta love Bischoff also referring to Mongo as a Bears announcer, when they played three Monday night games in 95 all opposite Nitro😂😂😂😂😂
@@mgb4692 Brett Favre throwing a 99 yard TD pass? That'll put some butts in seats.
I thought this was gonna be the skins cowboys MNF game from 1991 based on the thumbnail. There is a hilarious MNF post game locker room news coverage gaff by the local ABC affiliate. It involves the audience seeing waaaaaayyyy more of washington DT Tim Johnson than we should have......might be worth looking into
Terrific team, mysteriously forgotten.
@@matthewdaley746 IKR....
@@crittoneida958 Regressing quickly absolutely hurt.
@@matthewdaley746 they stepped back a bit in 84. But they did make the playoffs and hosted a wildcard game vs bears. That 84 Bear defense was even better than 85 IMHO.....that D actually had more pro bowlers than in 85.
@@crittoneida958 Only Playoff Game they. ever. lost, at, RFK Stadium, (which really needs to be razed), they played the Bears three times in the Playoffs, the road team would, win, all three times.