The "genuinely speechless" moment of this video at the 12 minute mark will make my weekend! What a fantastic video...are you still alive after emotionally being destroyed by the logic of a tape-delayed football game over the NFL? This was absolutely awesome--Love your passion in this video. Great job :)
WCBS-TV (channel 2) in New York City did ran the Giants and Redskins game at 4PM rather than screwing up a High School Football game since the city never had a High School Football game on TV, no tape delay or anything.
If it were Texas and it was the state championship game being broadcast live, I could kind of see it although not for Cowboys-Washington. The anger of fans toward the league and the players might have also factored in to a certain extent. But a TAPE DELAY? In NEW YORK? For their own team against a longtime rival? Yeah, that's definitely worth the "I'm sorry. WHAT?!" treatment. Phenomenal story as always.
Before we break this whole thing down, this whole series is about taking an in-depth look at choices made by network broadcasting affiliates regarding NFL games that were clearly awful from the start. This isn't something that looked bad in hindsight, rather this something that looked awful almost IMMEDIATELY. These are moves in which your gut instinct tells you right away there is no way this can possibly bring in viewers, and sure enough, your gut instinct was smarter than that of a network executive.
If the HS game were live, that would be one thing. A tape-delayed game, though?! Wow. That's straight asinine. An ABC affiliate shouldn't have had to air another network's programming. WHEC was being derelict in its duty.
i was ready to tear JG9 a new one by saying that they cant reschedule the game that soon after the NFL came back just that week... then i hear it was TAPE DELAYED WELL PLAYED JG9
This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made videos about the following: 1. A video about Heidi Game II, which included the fact that in 1968 NBC delayed the start of either Tom Sawyer or Huckleberry Finn to show the conclusion of the Raiders-Chargers game. 2. How the NBC affiliate in Philadelphia sold an NFL game to another Philly station, then made a horrible counter programming decision. 3. How the CBS affiliate in Bangor, Maine showed a different game than the promised Giants game in 1999, eight days after doing the same thing with a College Football game.
@@arizonawrestlinginterviews1040 That's pretty much why John Elway and his dad Jack demanded a trade to Denver when he was the first round pick for them back then
The main thing I've learned from watching these videos is that the 70s and 80s were the wild-west era when it came to television. Don't want to air an NFL game? Fine you can just not air it. Or forget to schedule a game when the station manager goes on vacation. Or cut off the end of the game to show Heidi. Or have one network affiliate broadcast a game the rival affiliate should be showing, but declined to air.
It wasn't until 2002 that the NFL Broadcasting contracts required networks to air at least one game every weekend. The closest big city to where I lived was Minneapolis. If the Vikings were on a bye, we often would not get a game. In the late 90s, the NFL would have most of a division on a bye at once so if no Vikings and no Packers, then we definitely wouldn't get a game. This happened Week 8 of 1997. I don't remember if it happened other years. Because the closest AFC team was Kansas City and that was over 400 miles away, they would often not even show an AFC game in the area. Until 2002, I only saw AFC teams if they played an NFC team on Fox, during MNF, SNF, and the Playoffs.
For most of the video, I kept thinking “Okay, they have their high school championship games on Sunday. Kind of odd, but fine.” Then the other shoe drops. Priceless. 😂 Though I understand the TV station wanting to stick it to the NFL after the strike caused them all kinds of problems. It’s silly, but I can see where they’re coming from.
For a few years in the 1990s, the OHSAA (Ohio High School Athletic Association) held some of its football championships on the first Sunday afternoon in December.
I was too, but thought that MAYBE the game was pushed back to Sunday to potentially fill in the NFL void if the strike still did not end yet, like when John Madden called a DIII college game.
This would be like Fox deciding to preempt the Dallas Cowboys Thanksgiving game for a FIFA World Cup qualifying match--and the outrage from that would make this look like a tempest in a teapot...
This is the 4th 1982 video in a row you’ve done; is there something else so special about that year other than the NFL strike? Oh, I forgot to mention another Frank Kush involvement in an episode. The 49ers had 2 episodes revolve around them in 6 months; the Texans have only had 2 videos done altogether.
If this were Texas, preempting an NFL game for a high school playoff in 1982 would at least be understandable, even if still wrong, since high school football is a BIG thing in Texas...
1. What was so compelling at 1:00 that they couldn't plop the game in that slot? 2. They should have had plan "B" ready before the week of the game -- what if the strike was over? (Move the HS game to 1; have Channel 10 or 31 pick up the NFL, have 10 or 31 pick up the HS Game)
I had long assumed that 49ers-Cardinals was the “main” 4 pm game that day, because it was shown in my area (northern Indiana) and that seemed to be the rationale for moving it from the customary early afternoon spot, especially since the 49ers were defending Super Bowl champions. By comparison, the Giants typically would start at 4 pm if the Jets were on at 1 pm, as on this day. Perhaps CBS originally planned to feature 49ers-Cards at 4 pm but switched to Washington-Giants because Washington was 2-0 and SF was 0-2. Also-ABC affiliates occasionally got Sunday NFL games in the early-mid 1970s when NBC was airing baseball postseason games.
Dude, No Way! I am from Rochester NY and I have NEVER HEARD of this story. And it's not like it was before my time either, I was six years old. But then again, I can see why WHEC would want folks to for forget about such an epic screw up.
That tape delay was definitely a WTF moment!! I'm thinking, well, if you have a big enough antenna, you can just rotate it and get the Buffalo CBS affiliate instead (and probably have all your friends over), but the ABC decision was pretty cool. I've often wondered what was shown on the networks each week during the strike
WCBS-TV (channel 2) did ran the NFL back in November 1982, and there was no way to put anything on there, and there were high school football games are in NYC where any of the NYC affiliates doesn’t carried high school football.
UA-cam butchered this video with ads for me. There were 8 ad breaks before the halfway mark. It's a good thing I love your content or I would've turned it off.
"How do you tell high school kids that the almighty NFL dollar speaks louder than the effort that they put forth?" Did high schools in New York not teach economics in the 1980s?
1982 may be a gold mine for this sort of thing. But every NFL season more than likely has its fair share of weird, wacky, and just plain stupid stories if you dig deep enough. Maybe nothing quite like this though.
The only logic I can think of is that these are two local High School teams in Western New York (Henrietta is a suburb of Rochester) who are near the top of the standings, the only loss by Rochester's Aquinas was to Henrietta, are ranked in the state large school division, and they were promised to be on at that hour. At least it was 2 local High Schools and not say Warwick vs. Goshen or something like that..
I think it's safe to say that it's pretty much mandatory these days for network-affiliated TV stations to air regional NFL games that are televised by whatever network they're affiliated with that has the rights to the league and their games.
I was sitting here thinking to myself that I was gonna disagree with you on this being a dumb broadcast. I sat here thinking "They made a commitment to those kids and they're keeping it. Those boys are gonna play their hearts out knowing they're on tele-wait...what? No way. No way is this facking TAPED!!"
Rochester is majority Bills, but not 100 percent Bills like Buffalo is. Giants have a decent fanbase there. Not Syracuse big & certainly not Utica/Binghamton & (especially) Albany big, but decent. I lived in ROC for 9 years before moving to Buffalo. Rochester has quirks. Lots of vestigial Browns fans from the old NFL days & even lots of Dolphins fans due to an anti-Buffalo bias. But, yes, mostly Bills fans there. Syracuse & Utica are about half and half Bills Giants, more 60 40 Bills in Syracuse 60 40 Giants in Utica
@@billtooke6642 Exactly. The further east or west on the NY Thruway aka I-90/87 between Buffalo and Albany determines which team is more popular. West of Syracuse it's almost all Bills Country. East and South of Syracuse its mostly Giants with some Jets and even Pats(mostly in the state capital of the Albany area)thrown in. By the way, the local CBS in Albany usually gives the nod to games to the Bills. While the Fox Albany station usually shows mostly NY Giants games.
Dan Rochester is only about 1 hour (barring a snowstorm)drive from Buffalo. Bill gave the exact and correct info on the Upstate NY TV markets outside of NYC.
@@americangiant1003 💯 I grew up in CNY with both Syracuse & Utica-Rome TV stations in the 80s/90s & it was always Bills on NBC, Giants on CBS & then Fox. When I was really young, like mid 80s, the Jets could sneak on to WKTV 2 in Utica over the Bills, but that ended by like 1987
In fairness, WHEC, the then-CBS affiliate, couldn't air that state championship game live because of CBS' primetime lineup, _especially_ if that game took place on the Friday night of that weekend. _The Dukes of Hazzard_ and _Dallas_ were *quite* popular on CBS on Friday nights back then.
They were fortunate that ABC didn't do much sports on the network during the NFL season on Sundays back in those days. Local affiliates could make moves like this rather easily. It would NEVER happen today. Meanwhile the CBS affiliate should have been ashamed of themselves.
Having grown up living in the Ottawa area in the 1970's and 1980's, I could tell you a million stories of what cable TV was like. For some bizarre reason, Canada's broadcast regulator, the CRTC, decided to shock viewers in the area who were enjoying watching American TV stations from places like Watertown NY, Utica NY, and Plattsburgh NY and force us to watch network shows from Rochester NY. The same Rochester that Jim Rome likes to call 'Crap-chester'!! The three affiliates that we received, WOKR (now 13 WHAM) 13 ABC, WHEC 10 CBS (switched to NBC in 1989), and WROC 8 NBC (see WHEC for switch) were NOTORIOUS for pre-empting network programming. I never knew how important Amerks AHL Hockey was to local TV and how to screw fans of Charlie Brown specials in favour of a game from St. Catharines!! Other pre-emptions included showing movies like 'The Graduate' or, get this, 'Deliverance' instead of regularly scheduled PRIME TIME PROGRAMMING (like ABC's 'TGIF lineup)!! I believe WHEC refused to show any NBA basketball games on Sunday afternoons in 1981 or 1982 in favour of Sci-fi reruns (Buck Rogers, Battlestar Galactica, Space 1999, etc.) And don't get me started on Saturday mornings!!! Seeing this made think back to the dark days of trying to avoid watching anything out of 'Crap-chester'. If you would like to hear the audio of the news intro clip that played at 1:12, click the link at bottom of the comment. ua-cam.com/video/PDvUOe3ZeGU/v-deo.html
Our CBS affiliate in San Antonio was notorious for preempting sports programming in the 70s and 80s. They didn't broadcast regular season NBA games for 4 years even after the Spurs had joined the league.
That's stupid, but not the only such example. It's my understanding that when the old Atlanta Flames entered the NHL in the early seventies, the only time the then NBC-TV affiliate would show the NBC NHL "Game Of The Week" (either regular season or playoffs) would be when the Flames were playing. Otherwise, the NBC NHL games weren't carried in Atlanta by anybody.
@@ricknibert6417 Not sure about now here in the 2020's decade. It was a national policy that I think started in the 1960's as part of US Congress giving approval for the merger between the NFL and then rival AFL. Basically until early December NFL games was banned from playing on Friday or Saturday.
About the only scenario I could envision nowadays of something similar to this would be if SNF would have to be pre-empted in the Indianapolis area in order to accommodate the Indianapolis 500 (which has a blackout rule for the live broadcast for the Indianapolis affiliate of the network with the Indy 500 broadcast rights, currently NBC, with viewers on WTHR receiving the race broadcast in prime-time on a tape delay). Normally, such a situation wouldn't occur due to the Indy 500 being held during the NFL offseason, but this could have happened happened in 2020 because of COVID, but the Indy 500 was held in August (with no local blackout due to fans not being allowed to attend in-person), before the start of the NFL regular season, that year.
Need to point out that in 1982 the Lions started the season 2-0 like the video said, however, once the strike was over the Lions Lioned and went 2-5 down the stretch and still made the playoffs.
I can understand the frustration, but like you said in intro, the CBS station had 5 days notice now if they had a two week notice that the NFL was going to be back then I can agree with you with how frustrating the affiliates decision was. Regardless of if it was on tape delay. The fact that still showed the game was brilliant in my opinion, but when the stations are given a week to prepare for a game that isn’t much time especially when they gotta get crews setup and get all their equipment functioning properly, and if it is then air NFL games like initially planned, but if the station is having problems with their equipment which could be the case for some then stuck to what they were replacing the NFL games, but it isn’t fair to the stations when they have les than 7 days to either switch to the NFL or to keep the schedule as is, if the NFL stayed on strike. Remember the NFL had no problem stopping play as they negotiated out a deal then why get upset at a station for playing something as planned whether live or on delay when given less than 7 days.
But what would that have to do with network programming? Did they not air the NBA on CBS the two previous Sundays? Granted networks had a lot less grip on their affiliates 40 years ago, in some cases even into the 90s (the whole MNF delay in Seattle/Portland), our CBS/ABC affiliate swap (Spokane) right after the Summer Olympics in '76 would merit its own JG9 vid, but even an hour might not be enough for it.
@@mgb4692 Oh, yes the infamous MNF time-delay in the NW. I went to school at Central Washington, so on local cable, you had KAPP-TV in Yakima airing the game live, and on another channel, you had KOMO airing their newscast.
Scott keep in mind that in much of Upstate NY, High School Football is very popular. Especially in the Buffalo/Rochester, NY region. Not as big as say in popularity in places such as Texas though.
I'm aware that during the 1982 Strike, CBS aired some Division III games on what would have been Week 5. I think during other weeks of the strike, CBS just aired other sports programming?
Most likely WHEC had already sold the air time for the HS game. Forfeiting the sponsor money or offering those local sponsors "make-goods" would've been problematic for the station. It was a incredibly dumb decision by the station.
why don't i remember this? granted, i was only 10, but i grew up in Rochester, was attending RH schools at the time (would've gone to Sperry if we had not moved), and was already a football fan. i remember Corny Southall. he was later a starting DB at Notre Dame, but i guess did not have what it took to make it as a pro. i remember some of the WHEC news team from their photos. but not this. p.s. sorry, but i had to cringe every time you said "a-queen-us"
That was NBC and I'm pretty sure it'll be coming up. It was all blowouts, they just up and pulled the plug I think the day they were supposed to have a CFL/World Series doubleheader. I think they did have a 30-1 game, which would have been at that point the first time in U.S. TV history that a game was played where somebody scored a single point.
Aquinas is pronounced Aqu-EYE-nas, not Aqu-EEE-nas. And the ABC affiliate in Rochester was WOKR, not WORK. It is currently WHAM. It's the same channel, just a different call sign.
Had the NFL strike continued, CBS and NBC would have aired alternate programming or another event like college football or basketball NBA or NCAA or maybe sporting event such as gymnastics outside the scheduled Macy's Thanksgiving day parade. I don't know if CBS or NBC would have aired their regular daytime programming on Thanksgiving Day 1982. Game shows and soap operas
Had the NFLPA strike continued for another week, the season might have been canceled as a whole. Keep in mind that the strike ended the week prior to Thanksgiving, If they were still on strike for another week, that would have been 10 weeks' worth of games canceled by the work stoppage. It would have been the absolute worst possible scenario for the league.
Sometimes I will say you are maybe making more of something than it actually deserves. This was NOT One of those times. I was kinda supporting the decision to air the High School game...UNTIL I heard it had already been played and was being shown on tape delayed. Then like you said, show it that night after the news then again on Thanksgiving afternoon. As someone old enough to have been a teenager in 1982 I can tell you that TV didn't follow a strict schedule on weekends or late nights. It's well known that Ted Turner would sometimes decide he wanted to watch the Braves so he would call WTBS and tell them to pull whatever and show the game. (he owned both fyi) Howard Hughes actually bought entire TV stations while he lived in Las Vegas and would call them and have them either re-start a movie he was watching or sometimes just stopping a movie mid way and changing it to whatever he was in the mood for.
This wasn't about making money. They made a commitment. There may have even been a contract. They didn't pre-empt an NFL game. They originally were going to show the high school game. Pre-empting the high school game could have more long term consequences. Yes they lost some $$$, but they did already make some from airing the 1:00 game. Also selling the rights to the ABC station was a great PR move. (Plus being a small market, it could be possible both stations are owned by the same company). It allowed the game to still be shown locally, while keeping the goodwill of having the high school game still being shown And I would argue that the tape delay was a better decision for both reaching the target audience (what player wouldn't want to see himself win the state championship on real tv!), plus production costs (live broadcasts aren't cheap). Considering the essentially last minute end of the NFL strike , I believe the CBS station made the best possible last minute decision in this situation by showing the game they said they would, but also allowing the last minute game to also be shown LIVE in the same market.
In 1982, nobody could own more than 1 TV station in a market, and since everything was analog then, there were no digital channels like MeTV or Antenna TV that were available. So I think some money changed hands to allow the Giants - Redskins game to be shown on the ABC station.
man your voice goes up like 12 octaves when you get excited
I was wondering why a HS championship game was playing on a Sunday, especially in 1982.
Then the other shoe dropped. LMAO.
The "genuinely speechless" moment of this video at the 12 minute mark will make my weekend! What a fantastic video...are you still alive after emotionally being destroyed by the logic of a tape-delayed football game over the NFL? This was absolutely awesome--Love your passion in this video. Great job :)
How tf did you comment before the video went up
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WCBS-TV (channel 2) in New York City did ran the Giants and Redskins game at 4PM rather than screwing up a High School Football game since the city never had a High School Football game on TV, no tape delay or anything.
This would be Washington’s most significant 27-17 game that season.
Ha! Good one!
That's a good one, props to you, my good man
"Believe in something, even if it means alienating your audience to broadcast high school football over the NFL."
11:10 to 12:47 That has to be the Funniest Rant I have heard in a long time. And it’s justified 😂
If it were Texas and it was the state championship game being broadcast live, I could kind of see it although not for Cowboys-Washington. The anger of fans toward the league and the players might have also factored in to a certain extent.
But a TAPE DELAY? In NEW YORK? For their own team against a longtime rival?
Yeah, that's definitely worth the "I'm sorry. WHAT?!" treatment.
Phenomenal story as always.
Welcome to Dumb (Broadcasting) Decisions
JG9 should have a series devoted to just that. He would have tons of material!
Before we break this whole thing down, this whole series is about taking an in-depth look at choices made by network broadcasting affiliates regarding NFL games that were clearly awful from the start. This isn't something that looked bad in hindsight, rather this something that looked awful almost IMMEDIATELY. These are moves in which your gut instinct tells you right away there is no way this can possibly bring in viewers, and sure enough, your gut instinct was smarter than that of a network executive.
If the HS game were live, that would be one thing. A tape-delayed game, though?! Wow. That's straight asinine. An ABC affiliate shouldn't have had to air another network's programming. WHEC was being derelict in its duty.
i was ready to tear JG9 a new one by saying that they cant reschedule the game that soon after the NFL came back just that week... then i hear it was TAPE DELAYED
WELL PLAYED JG9
This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made videos about the following:
1. A video about Heidi Game II, which included the fact that in 1968 NBC delayed the start of either Tom Sawyer or Huckleberry Finn to show the conclusion of the Raiders-Chargers game.
2. How the NBC affiliate in Philadelphia sold an NFL game to another Philly station, then made a horrible counter programming decision.
3. How the CBS affiliate in Bangor, Maine showed a different game than the promised Giants game in 1999, eight days after doing the same thing with a College Football game.
At the 11 minutes mark. Get ready for the BIGGEST IM SORRY WHAT in JG9 history 😅
I knew it was coming, and at 11:58, it did!
The 1982 NFL season- the gift that keeps on giving
I'm waiting for the video on the Baltimore at Buffalo game where the Colts' offense failed to cross the 50-yard line. Yeah, that actually happened.
@@rjflesher God the Colts of the early 80's were such a massive shitshow
@@arizonawrestlinginterviews1040 That's pretty much why John Elway and his dad Jack demanded a trade to Denver when he was the first round pick for them back then
With a quarterback rating of negative 39.6. 😆
The main thing I've learned from watching these videos is that the 70s and 80s were the wild-west era when it came to television. Don't want to air an NFL game? Fine you can just not air it. Or forget to schedule a game when the station manager goes on vacation. Or cut off the end of the game to show Heidi. Or have one network affiliate broadcast a game the rival affiliate should be showing, but declined to air.
Yeah it was most likely an awful time to be a football fan. It's incredible that a popular sport like the NFL had to deal with this.
It wasn't until 2002 that the NFL Broadcasting contracts required networks to air at least one game every weekend. The closest big city to where I lived was Minneapolis. If the Vikings were on a bye, we often would not get a game. In the late 90s, the NFL would have most of a division on a bye at once so if no Vikings and no Packers, then we definitely wouldn't get a game. This happened Week 8 of 1997. I don't remember if it happened other years. Because the closest AFC team was Kansas City and that was over 400 miles away, they would often not even show an AFC game in the area. Until 2002, I only saw AFC teams if they played an NFC team on Fox, during MNF, SNF, and the Playoffs.
Yup. Zoomers don't know how good they have it.
I was thinking MAYBE in Texas you could get away with this. Unless the Cowboys were involved. Kudos to JG9 for referencing Texas HS football.
For most of the video, I kept thinking “Okay, they have their high school championship games on Sunday. Kind of odd, but fine.” Then the other shoe drops. Priceless. 😂
Though I understand the TV station wanting to stick it to the NFL after the strike caused them all kinds of problems. It’s silly, but I can see where they’re coming from.
I was thinking much the same thing: "Don't most high school games take place on Friday?"
except the game was tape delayed
For a few years in the 1990s, the OHSAA (Ohio High School Athletic Association) held some of its football championships on the first Sunday afternoon in December.
This was what I was thinking as well. "High school football on Sunday? What...?"
I was too, but thought that MAYBE the game was pushed back to Sunday to potentially fill in the NFL void if the strike still did not end yet, like when John Madden called a DIII college game.
I thought maybe it was a Bishop Sycamore game. And when I played in high school, I would rather watch an NFL game than one of our games.
This would be like Fox deciding to preempt the Dallas Cowboys Thanksgiving game for a FIFA World Cup qualifying match--and the outrage from that would make this look like a tempest in a teapot...
There are multiple Fox channels now. Pretty sure the World Cup matches will be on FS1 if there's a chance of conflict.
...and yes, this same year John Madden Called. D-III College Football Game. JG9 made a video on that too...
I guess Bingo Long just got topped.
I lived in Rochester, they pronounce it Aqu-eye-nis.
And the ABC affiliate used to be called WOKR, not WORK.
Love the Twist of the Tape Delay!!
In the words of John McEnroe "You cannot be serious!"
This is the 4th 1982 video in a row you’ve done; is there something else so special about that year other than the NFL strike?
Oh, I forgot to mention another Frank Kush involvement in an episode. The 49ers had 2 episodes revolve around them in 6 months; the Texans have only had 2 videos done altogether.
If this were Texas, preempting an NFL game for a high school playoff in 1982 would at least be understandable, even if still wrong, since high school football is a BIG thing in Texas...
1. What was so compelling at 1:00 that they couldn't plop the game in that slot?
2. They should have had plan "B" ready before the week of the game -- what if the strike was over? (Move the HS game to 1; have Channel 10 or 31 pick up the NFL, have 10 or 31 pick up the HS Game)
STRIKE year all the 9 games were meaningless
I had long assumed that 49ers-Cardinals was the “main” 4 pm game that day, because it was shown in my area (northern Indiana) and that seemed to be the rationale for moving it from the customary early afternoon spot, especially since the 49ers were defending Super Bowl champions. By comparison, the Giants typically would start at 4 pm if the Jets were on at 1 pm, as on this day. Perhaps CBS originally planned to feature 49ers-Cards at 4 pm but switched to Washington-Giants because Washington was 2-0 and SF was 0-2.
Also-ABC affiliates occasionally got Sunday NFL games in the early-mid 1970s when NBC was airing baseball postseason games.
I was actually all with airing the high school game until he said it wasn’t live. That may be the dumbest thing I’ve heard on this channel yet 😂😂
I have a comparison. It would have been like showing a tape-delayed concert of Justin Bieber instead of a live Beatles reunion concert.
This was before 10 got swapped for 8 in Rochester. 7 years after. (Least WROC doesn’t preempt games nowadays)
Dude, No Way! I am from Rochester NY and I have NEVER HEARD of this story. And it's not like it was before my time either, I was six years old. But then again, I can see why WHEC would want folks to for forget about such an epic screw up.
That tape delay was definitely a WTF moment!! I'm thinking, well, if you have a big enough antenna, you can just rotate it and get the Buffalo CBS affiliate instead (and probably have all your friends over), but the ABC decision was pretty cool. I've often wondered what was shown on the networks each week during the strike
Oh good, I get to hear a story about a TV station in MY town.
I was wondering why there would be a high school game on a Sunday. Worse than spiking the football into the ground on every single play.
This makes the Heidi game look genius
networks should a rule : if there's no football [strike, etc] then air - HEIDI
WCBS-TV (channel 2) did ran the NFL back in November 1982, and there was no way to put anything on there, and there were high school football games are in NYC where any of the NYC affiliates doesn’t carried high school football.
UA-cam butchered this video with ads for me. There were 8 ad breaks before the halfway mark. It's a good thing I love your content or I would've turned it off.
"How do you tell high school kids that the almighty NFL dollar speaks louder than the effort that they put forth?" Did high schools in New York not teach economics in the 1980s?
football players can sleep during economics
By the way, a couple of corrections: you mispronounced Aquinas. It's a Ak-WHY-Nas - a long I, not an E. And the ABC affiliate was WOKR, not WORK. 😉
A queen as. 😅
Holy shit my home city and high school are both involved in this😂😂
Oh..and Werner Kleeman is an absolute legend in this area
I laughed so hard at the game being on tape delay
1982 may be a gold mine for this sort of thing. But every NFL season more than likely has its fair share of weird, wacky, and just plain stupid stories if you dig deep enough.
Maybe nothing quite like this though.
The only possible worse decision would be to spike the ball on every single play.
That's better than an interception
The only logic I can think of is that these are two local High School teams in Western New York (Henrietta is a suburb of Rochester) who are near the top of the standings, the only loss by Rochester's Aquinas was to Henrietta, are ranked in the state large school division, and they were promised to be on at that hour. At least it was 2 local High Schools and not say Warwick vs. Goshen or something like that..
I think it's safe to say that it's pretty much mandatory these days for network-affiliated TV stations to air regional NFL games that are televised by whatever network they're affiliated with that has the rights to the league and their games.
I was sitting here thinking to myself that I was gonna disagree with you on this being a dumb broadcast. I sat here thinking "They made a commitment to those kids and they're keeping it. Those boys are gonna play their hearts out knowing they're on tele-wait...what? No way. No way is this facking TAPED!!"
I was all for the high school game until I found out it was taped delayed. That's just stupid.
Wouldn’t football fans in Rochester, NY be Buffalo Bills fans, not New York Giants fans?
Rochester is majority Bills, but not 100 percent Bills like Buffalo is. Giants have a decent fanbase there. Not Syracuse big & certainly not Utica/Binghamton & (especially) Albany big, but decent. I lived in ROC for 9 years before moving to Buffalo. Rochester has quirks. Lots of vestigial Browns fans from the old NFL days & even lots of Dolphins fans due to an anti-Buffalo bias.
But, yes, mostly Bills fans there. Syracuse & Utica are about half and half Bills Giants, more 60 40 Bills in Syracuse 60 40 Giants in Utica
@@billtooke6642 Exactly. The further east or west on the NY Thruway aka I-90/87 between Buffalo and Albany determines which team is more popular. West of Syracuse it's almost all Bills Country. East and South of Syracuse its mostly Giants with some Jets and even Pats(mostly in the state capital of the Albany area)thrown in. By the way, the local CBS in Albany usually gives the nod to games to the Bills. While the Fox Albany station usually shows mostly NY Giants games.
Dan Rochester is only about 1 hour (barring a snowstorm)drive from Buffalo. Bill gave the exact and correct info on the Upstate NY TV markets outside of NYC.
@@americangiant1003 💯 I grew up in CNY with both Syracuse & Utica-Rome TV stations in the 80s/90s & it was always Bills on NBC, Giants on CBS & then Fox. When I was really young, like mid 80s, the Jets could sneak on to WKTV 2 in Utica over the Bills, but that ended by like 1987
Love JG mock talking himself into watching the game, reminds of that April Fools vid by Pluffnub a few years back when he switched to reax videos😅
In fairness, WHEC, the then-CBS affiliate, couldn't air that state championship game live because of CBS' primetime lineup, _especially_ if that game took place on the Friday night of that weekend. _The Dukes of Hazzard_ and _Dallas_ were *quite* popular on CBS on Friday nights back then.
when people had to stay home on Friday night to watch their favorite shows
@@nomadcowatbk and if you missed it or forgot to set your VCR. Your last chance was to caught the summer reruns.
4 straight 1982 vids? I love the idea of a string of vids from the same year!
They were fortunate that ABC didn't do much sports on the network during the NFL season on Sundays back in those days. Local affiliates could make moves like this rather easily. It would NEVER happen today. Meanwhile the CBS affiliate should have been ashamed of themselves.
WHEC - What the HEC television
The decision wasn't dumb it was because the station had already made commitments
Especially had the strike continued at that point.
That high school player mentioned, Cornelius Southall, went on to play defensive back at Notre Dame
Having grown up living in the Ottawa area in the 1970's and 1980's, I could tell you a million stories of what cable TV was like. For some bizarre reason, Canada's broadcast regulator, the CRTC, decided to shock viewers in the area who were enjoying watching American TV stations from places like Watertown NY, Utica NY, and Plattsburgh NY and force us to watch network shows from Rochester NY. The same Rochester that Jim Rome likes to call 'Crap-chester'!! The three affiliates that we received, WOKR (now 13 WHAM) 13 ABC, WHEC 10 CBS (switched to NBC in 1989), and WROC 8 NBC (see WHEC for switch) were NOTORIOUS for pre-empting network programming. I never knew how important Amerks AHL Hockey was to local TV and how to screw fans of Charlie Brown specials in favour of a game from St. Catharines!! Other pre-emptions included showing movies like 'The Graduate' or, get this, 'Deliverance' instead of regularly scheduled PRIME TIME PROGRAMMING (like ABC's 'TGIF lineup)!! I believe WHEC refused to show any NBA basketball games on Sunday afternoons in 1981 or 1982 in favour of Sci-fi reruns (Buck Rogers, Battlestar Galactica, Space 1999, etc.) And don't get me started on Saturday mornings!!! Seeing this made think back to the dark days of trying to avoid watching anything out of 'Crap-chester'.
If you would like to hear the audio of the news intro clip that played at 1:12, click the link at bottom of the comment.
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Yep Jim Rome of CBS has a pretty radio show too.
Our CBS affiliate in San Antonio was notorious for preempting sports programming in the 70s and 80s.
They didn't broadcast regular season NBA games for 4 years even after the Spurs had joined the league.
That's stupid, but not the only such example.
It's my understanding that when the old Atlanta Flames entered the NHL in the early seventies, the only time the then NBC-TV affiliate would show the NBC NHL "Game Of The Week" (either regular season or playoffs) would be when the Flames were playing.
Otherwise, the NBC NHL games weren't carried in Atlanta by anybody.
What were these broadcast affiliates thinking back then?
The three original American networks have made boneheaded decisions that leaves the consumer truly furious.
Most of the time it's the local stations that mess up.
Is it just me, or does the newscaster on screen at 4:35 look like an Englishman playing a newscaster in a comedy sketch?
This whole drama wasn’t about the kids it was about a news station being petty towards the NFL and the Stanton end up looking dumb
This further backs up my claim that HS football belongs on Friday and FRIDAY only!
I wondered why HS games didn't air live at 8PM on Fridays. Was this a national policy?
@@ricknibert6417 Not sure about now here in the 2020's decade. It was a national policy that I think started in the 1960's as part of US Congress giving approval for the merger between the NFL and then rival AFL. Basically until early December NFL games was banned from playing on Friday or Saturday.
But now with a refree shortage they will probably be moving games to Saturday morning. LoL
I was talking about high school games airing on live TV. Was this discouraged by the NFHS or did states establish their own policies?
A few years later WHEC becomes an NBC affiliate and CBS goes to WROC-TV Channel 8.
About the only scenario I could envision nowadays of something similar to this would be if SNF would have to be pre-empted in the Indianapolis area in order to accommodate the Indianapolis 500 (which has a blackout rule for the live broadcast for the Indianapolis affiliate of the network with the Indy 500 broadcast rights, currently NBC, with viewers on WTHR receiving the race broadcast in prime-time on a tape delay). Normally, such a situation wouldn't occur due to the Indy 500 being held during the NFL offseason, but this could have happened happened in 2020 because of COVID, but the Indy 500 was held in August (with no local blackout due to fans not being allowed to attend in-person), before the start of the NFL regular season, that year.
Need to point out that in 1982 the Lions started the season 2-0 like the video said, however, once the strike was over the Lions Lioned and went 2-5 down the stretch and still made the playoffs.
I can understand the frustration, but like you said in intro, the CBS station had 5 days notice now if they had a two week notice that the NFL was going to be back then I can agree with you with how frustrating the affiliates decision was. Regardless of if it was on tape delay. The fact that still showed the game was brilliant in my opinion, but when the stations are given a week to prepare for a game that isn’t much time especially when they gotta get crews setup and get all their equipment functioning properly, and if it is then air NFL games like initially planned, but if the station is having problems with their equipment which could be the case for some then stuck to what they were replacing the NFL games, but it isn’t fair to the stations when they have les than 7 days to either switch to the NFL or to keep the schedule as is, if the NFL stayed on strike. Remember the NFL had no problem stopping play as they negotiated out a deal then why get upset at a station for playing something as planned whether live or on delay when given less than 7 days.
But what would that have to do with network programming? Did they not air the NBA on CBS the two previous Sundays?
Granted networks had a lot less grip on their affiliates 40 years ago, in some cases even into the 90s (the whole MNF delay in Seattle/Portland), our CBS/ABC affiliate swap (Spokane) right after the Summer Olympics in '76 would merit its own JG9 vid, but even an hour might not be enough for it.
@@mgb4692 Oh, yes the infamous MNF time-delay in the NW. I went to school at Central Washington, so on local cable, you had KAPP-TV in Yakima airing the game live, and on another channel, you had KOMO airing their newscast.
Nerds pummelled in football melee
This is still not as stupid as Disco Demolition Night
Preempt the NFL for a high school game, that sounds like something that would happen in Texas, not New York.
Scott keep in mind that in much of Upstate NY, High School Football is very popular. Especially in the Buffalo/Rochester, NY region.
Not as big as say in popularity in places such as Texas though.
@@americangiant1003, fair enough
But the PBS station in Cleveland just couldn't pull itself from the Clarence Thomas hearings to show its regularly-scheduled HS game in October 1991.
I'm aware that during the 1982 Strike, CBS aired some Division III games on what would have been Week 5.
I think during other weeks of the strike, CBS just aired other sports programming?
Wonder if this played a factor in WHEC becoming an NBC affiliate in 1989.
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Lol the high school coaches just wanted the limelight on them
I would have preferred watching the taped high school game too.
Screw the rigged NFL
Another insensitive soul,eh Joe????
Most likely WHEC had already sold the air time for the HS game. Forfeiting the sponsor money or offering those local sponsors "make-goods" would've been problematic for the station. It was a incredibly dumb decision by the station.
It was about as stupid as "The Heidi Game".
1982 NFL season really is the gift that keeps on giving for ya, eh?
Three straight videos that has something to do with the strike shortened 1982 season. Two of them for the post season and one with the regular season.
If no one got fired over this sham and travesty then I'd be surprised but not intirely.And if your speechless than wow!
Yeah,total nutz!
You're from New York? I'm from NJ! How'd you end up a Jags fan?
Hello neighbor... Northern Passaic County here.
@@mrmoose6619 Bergen County, but born in St Joes in Paterson!
@@rocketsfan05 Nice. :)
why don't i remember this? granted, i was only 10, but i grew up in Rochester, was attending RH schools at the time (would've gone to Sperry if we had not moved), and was already a football fan. i remember Corny Southall. he was later a starting DB at Notre Dame, but i guess did not have what it took to make it as a pro. i remember some of the WHEC news team from their photos. but not this.
p.s. sorry, but i had to cringe every time you said "a-queen-us"
Could have been worse, could have been Canadian Football. 😆
That was NBC and I'm pretty sure it'll be coming up.
It was all blowouts, they just up and pulled the plug I think the day they were supposed to have a CFL/World Series doubleheader. I think they did have a 30-1 game, which would have been at that point the first time in U.S. TV history that a game was played where somebody scored a single point.
As one who strongly prefers high school sports to the pros, even *I* get that this programming decision was nutso.
Love your content, but could you adjust the volume of your voice, it's a lil quiet especially on phone speakers, thanks.
Aquinas is pronounced Aqu-EYE-nas, not Aqu-EEE-nas. And the ABC affiliate in Rochester was WOKR, not WORK. It is currently WHAM. It's the same channel, just a different call sign.
So you're saying it didn't WORK?
OK I'm out😁
I want to hear more about this, but I have to take a nap. But please wake me up before you go go.
I wonder if 13 WHAM still has their in house bowling alley.
@@higgy04 I don't think it does
I guess it was too expensive to produce ‘Funtime Junior Bowling’ and the ‘Brighton -Panorama TV Roll-offs’?
That was awesome wow tape delay lol...............
Do you plan do do any collaborations with any other UA-camrs?
I love highschool football games
Same I went to a high school football game. My local school got destroyed. Pfft
High School Football games do exists in New York City whether it’s Queens, Brooklyn, Bronx and Staten Island.
Had the NFL strike continued, CBS and NBC would have aired alternate programming or another event like college football or basketball NBA or NCAA or maybe sporting event such as gymnastics outside the scheduled Macy's Thanksgiving day parade. I don't know if CBS or NBC would have aired their regular daytime programming on Thanksgiving Day 1982. Game shows and soap operas
Had the NFLPA strike continued for another week, the season might have been canceled as a whole. Keep in mind that the strike ended the week prior to Thanksgiving, If they were still on strike for another week, that would have been 10 weeks' worth of games canceled by the work stoppage. It would have been the absolute worst possible scenario for the league.
So which team did the network executives kid play for?
Sometimes I will say you are maybe making more of something than it actually deserves. This was NOT One of those times. I was kinda supporting the decision to air the High School game...UNTIL I heard it had already been played and was being shown on tape delayed. Then like you said, show it that night after the news then again on Thanksgiving afternoon. As someone old enough to have been a teenager in 1982 I can tell you that TV didn't follow a strict schedule on weekends or late nights. It's well known that Ted Turner would sometimes decide he wanted to watch the Braves so he would call WTBS and tell them to pull whatever and show the game. (he owned both fyi)
Howard Hughes actually bought entire TV stations while he lived in Las Vegas and would call them and have them either re-start a movie he was watching or sometimes just stopping a movie mid way and changing it to whatever he was in the mood for.
Is this a 1982 Marathon??
Did WIVB in Buffalo have that game instead?
Good on the station manager tbh. He did the right thing
You thought about doing a video about the Giants Saints game in 2005?
This wasn't about making money. They made a commitment. There may have even been a contract. They didn't pre-empt an NFL game. They originally were going to show the high school game. Pre-empting the high school game could have more long term consequences. Yes they lost some $$$, but they did already make some from airing the 1:00 game. Also selling the rights to the ABC station was a great PR move. (Plus being a small market, it could be possible both stations are owned by the same company). It allowed the game to still be shown locally, while keeping the goodwill of having the high school game still being shown
And I would argue that the tape delay was a better decision for both reaching the target audience (what player wouldn't want to see himself win the state championship on real tv!), plus production costs (live broadcasts aren't cheap).
Considering the essentially last minute end of the NFL strike , I believe the CBS station made the best possible last minute decision in this situation by showing the game they said they would, but also allowing the last minute game to also be shown LIVE in the same market.
In 1982, nobody could own more than 1 TV station in a market, and since everything was analog then, there were no digital channels like MeTV or Antenna TV that were available. So I think some money changed hands to allow the Giants - Redskins game to be shown on the ABC station.
I agree. This whole story is really over the top and doesn't get why these decisions aren't as simple as they seem.
Talk about a dumb decision
There should NOT be any Giants fans in Rochester. All Bills fans.