Doesn't matter today's Gen 3 & Gen 4 Night Vision Google's are backed by Thermal A or Thermal B. Your body gives off a heat source you'll glow like a IR Strobe. You're not going to be able to hide from Thermal Imaging devices .
Some of the earlier IR lamps that are used with pnv57a and similar systems can actually emit a wavelength that most gen3 tubes can't see at all. The more you know.
@@Texasmilitarydepartmentvid9654 No. Just no. The image tubes do not transmit any wave that any receiver can pick up, apart from light. If you could somehow pick up any noise from the tube it'd be useless as it'd surely be lower than the internal noise level of whatever equipment trying to direction find it would be.
@@perpetualconfusion5885 I believe that modern Gen 3 tops at around 900-950nm or so, while Gen 2+ Photonis tubes see up to 1100nm. You could use IR lights that show up for Photonis tubes that are barely visible to Gen 3. Digital goes even further to 1200nm iirc.
I was never a "High Speed" soldier. But I think cheap, Gen 0 and Gen 1 NVD might be okay for defending some fixed, permanent position, especially if it's all you can afford. You could surround the place with IR floodlighting pointed outward. Assuming that an aggressor already knows you're there. I don't know about any commercially made units already, but I plan to experiment with some homemade motion-detection lights with IR lamps, positioned on likely avenues of approach. I would think those would catch a defender's attention at night, observing through even cheap NVDs. An easy way too would be to put up trail cameras with built-in IR flash, but an observer would be more likely to not notice the flash, compared to something that stays lit longer. At any rate, someone sneaking up on you with NVDs would think they've been busted and lost their element of surprise.
You use to be able to find the p4 for a little more and its head mountable..theyre about 100 now and i got a used one online for half price and it works great for what it is. If i only had budget nv and i had my own land,id absolutely have some ir lights set up in trees that way i could turn those on instead of a ir illminator giving away my position. You can buy 110v ir lights made to help securtiy cameras see better and put those up around your property. Or i even thought about hooking a flood ir illuminator to a drone lol.
I understand you're trying to show some tactical differences but if someone with a Temu nightvision was up against someone with an 8k nightvision, they would likely be outmatched in terms of other equipment and skill anyway. At the end of the day, these cheap units are not aimed at special ops, they're for family hobbyists to take camping or play with in the garden and the price for that is perfect.
@@Ajbxbdueueu if someone in a 308 ar10 was against someone with a 22 lr theyd be out matched obviously but im still using the 22 if thats all i can afford or have.
@@Ajbxbdueueu everything you said was 100 percent obvious. But not every firearm onwer makes 160k+ a year and can afford everything on top of their bills. People making 30 to 40 k a year with kids have hard enough time paying bills and eating and also live in the city where unless a total collapse happened they wouldn't need anything like that anyway and I'm taking my gen 1 viper over nothing that I got for $179. I've got the aurora black too and it works damn good and 2 cheaper thermals that way if I'm up against someone with gen 3 nv I can use my thermal and not show off a ir illuminator. I got $360 in the aurora and $390 in my armasite rifle mounted thermal with adjustable redicle so that's less than $1000 to altleast be able to fight back and not be helpless against someone with gen 3 nv.
@@Ajbxbdueueu alot of guys instantly think Vietnam and Afghanistan mountains and swamps and thick Forrest when a majority of the times it's just gonna be paved streets and cities people will be in when they need this stuff. Nobody will be parachuting or running through swaps like in the Rambo movies and a few of these $200 nv setups actually work pretty good compared to nothing at all.
luckily we have pvs 69s now which we did at the time this video was uploaded to, but they were very unknown and they still pretty are. but if you build them yourself, you can get three digital zero latency and I guess they’re not G3 but they’re not G2 plus because they work all the way until about half moon and if you’re in like a very forest woods then they probably wouldn’t work too well but if you have full moon then you’re gonna probably be fine quarter moon in dead forest you probably be pretty rough but half moon at dead forest you’ll be fine. Guys make housings for them and they’ve came out with so many ideas for O-rings and stuff, and you can get yourself a pair for about 600 for a bridge set. About 300 for a monocular and they did come out with a file for it but you have to have a 3-D printer or know someone he sells the housing for the bridge set up but it’s 200 other people sell it but you should help him out since he came out with us and pretty much helped everyone get pretty much g3 nvg for cheap. few hours of work
ive got one and honestly the performance is god awful. i can see better with my eyes most of the time than with these with no IR. used them on a full moon night and the image is just a fuzzy mess since the sensor on the Night Eagle 3 v2 camera isnt very good. not much data it can pick up without an IR light. that said, with an IR light it work very well. i got a cheap 20 dollar IR light on amazon and stuck it to my helmet and works amazing. Something like the NVG30 form BINOCK you can get for 350 or get scammed by Goodnightgear and pay 500. These have a very good sensor in them that can actually get some good image data at low light conditions. But i think they do have a little more latency than the pvs 69.
Probably a stupid question. Have you ever tried looking through a rifle scope using the IR binoculars? I pulled the trigger on a cheap snap-on IR hunting scope but have been wondering about the IR monoculars that look like binoculars. On most those, the IR light is over the left eye and the camera is in front of the right eye, so it might line up pretty good with the scope when doing a cheek weld if you could mannage to strap that to your face somehow.
I suppose if you think of it as a white light, where in if you're using it, you could be noticed, then it could be useful. Benefits vs risks kinda deal. Do wish it wasn't magnified though.
How are you going to power the floods, and also it’s just gonna make the Gen 3 tubes look clear as day with all the ambient light. And it still doesn’t fix the issue of digital delay
What Ive found out about nods "guys" if you can find one outside of their moms basement then shine a bright light at them and they usually will run away.Everything they say, consider it a hypothetical from their parents basements. Theyre probably sitting there right now like: "teehee the first TRICK is to find me TEEHEE" yeah we know..Parents basement...YAWN, What I will say about the 33China unit on a cursory glance is it seems to do a pretty decent job of ambient light pickup without the IR like a sionyx but the eye relief is a bit far out there and the screen is microscopic. But on a cursory glance im impressed by that sensors ability to pick up on ambient light. Considering REAL use case is probably more trying to navigate a car trail or boat at night rather than being super sneaky in absolute darkness in your moms basements. Im seeing alot more hikers with flashlights than these sneeki breekis. But I guess theyre just WAY too good for me..PFFFF. You cant even give these guys trash. they just spent 8k on a REAL unit. THEYRE ALL LIKE THAT. You get used to it. For the rest of us, no. Were not breaking a 1k pair of PVS7's leaving our moms basements. Were not doing that.
The cheap IR Chinese scopes are fine for hunting pigs at night. For combat? Preferably no but it could have limited uses when the alternative is being totally blind at night.
It's worth pointing out to your audience that there are technically two types of infrared goggles... IR illuminated goggles that emit infrared like the cheap Chinese scope in this video, these are vastly inferior to ambient light NV. But then there are... Thermal infrared goggles that emit nothing, require zero lighting, detect people behind cover, and are vastly superior to ambient NV in every way. And if your ambient goggles give off even the tiniest smidgeon of heat it will be the person wearing TI goggles that spot you from a mile away, along with the rest of your body through whatever light covering you're hiding behind.
Different roles. Reflective NVGs are fast and equal to the eye in resolution. Emissive IR sensors have major limitations. Things have changed, yes; the LWIR camera will usually detect a target at 500m. With a magnifying optic the NVG will afterward able to identify what it is. You also can't move over terrain or drive with LWIR. There are other options for static observation. Motion extraction with a powerful multistage image intensifier digital scope can provide unbelievable results.
these people are always like this, idek if they're aware of what they're comparing lmao. Like who tf is going to bring a "toy" or gadget whatever tiny monocular into "combat". Like what the hell xD... There's no consideration of use cases and value for money. It's best to just ignore videos like these
Digital devices have a very good picture, but they give out the shooter’s position with infrared illumination, for war you need thermal visors, but they are very expensive, even Chinese, you need to teach a person to see at night with his own eyes, like a cat, this requires genetic modification, and as soon as possible , the better☝😯
@@Jimmy2toes4u I'll probably never get nite-vision but, I used to have a Sony digital camera that had a infrared sensor, I could take pictures in total darkness! It was cool, daylight photos were like the "Twilight Zone"..!
Main time it would make a big difference is in almost complete darkness and other people had nv or gen 3. If you take those cheap ones in the woods out of the city you can't see 5 ft without the ir illuminator on.
@wick actual I used the Starlite scope when I was in the service about 50 yrs ago,the quality was pretty poor ,but you could see movement out to 500 meters or so but the clarity was to poor to make out friendly or not,we had to call command before calling in fire from the Navy,we were near the south China sea ,but it was a free fire zone and it was my discretion to light them up or not,the US Navy were very accurate with those 16 inch guns that got my small team a lot of confirmed kills.But that was a long time ago.
@@wctyre49 I believe a starlight scope was a Generation 1 device and those absolutely still have usability today. The market for them shrunk massively in the past few years but it's still possible to obtain the technology here in America but a lot of the devices contain intensifier tubes from Russia such as the EP-33. Even though I haven't used the original or military spec devices I can say that what you are saying is very close to what I experience. Generation 1 is around 10-30% better than your own eyes at darkness perception but the weakness is in the fact that even though you can detect silhouettes and movement easier than your own eyesight, there is a lack of clarity to the point where it's not a good identification device because of the muddiness of the final visual. This can be greatly changed based on your optical magnification. An example is that my set of 1x Goggles cannot identify people beyond 40 yards although I can easily make out the movement and the silhouette at almost double at that distance. The 2x monocular I own can identify out a little farther at around 50-60 yards but you lose the wider field of view of the 1x device. Also these numbers are given under quite poor conditions such as when you are in heavy overcast with little to no moon and in an open area with little foliage. I don't know if you ever used these devices on land but I found the biggest failure of Gen 1 devices is heavy foliage woods. Even when the moon is 50% or greater the heavily wooded environments can often force you to use active IR in order to navigate because passive use won't allow you to even make out shapes/silhouettes well beyond even 10-20 yards. Essentially your own eye's natural night vision actually can beat the device's performance in the woods without active IR. I still enjoy the technology a lot because they are vastly cheaper within $130-$700 and the life span has about doubled from starlight scopes. I believe the original mean time to failure/MTTF was around 500 hours. With the Gen1+ tubes that has been pushed to 1000-1500 hours so you get more for your money than before.
Spec ops mission? No.
Protecting your house against people during SHTF? F YEA!!!
You can turn down the magnification on the temu. Hold down the buttons for IR strength, it will zoom in /out. It's mentioned on the manual.
Doesn't matter today's Gen 3 & Gen 4 Night Vision Google's are backed by Thermal A or Thermal B. Your body gives off a heat source you'll glow like a IR Strobe. You're not going to be able to hide from Thermal Imaging devices .
God forbid he actually read the directions on how to do it...
For marauders and unequipped invaders, the IR light system is fine. But otherwise it's like a flashlight to gen3 scopes. Thanks for the vid!
Some of the earlier IR lamps that are used with pnv57a and similar systems can actually emit a wavelength that most gen3 tubes can't see at all. The more you know.
@@untrust2033what wave length
@@Texasmilitarydepartmentvid9654 No. Just no. The image tubes do not transmit any wave that any receiver can pick up, apart from light. If you could somehow pick up any noise from the tube it'd be useless as it'd surely be lower than the internal noise level of whatever equipment trying to direction find it would be.
That has absolutely nothing to do with the Phosphor Tubes it has to do with the Camcorder being turned on .
@@perpetualconfusion5885 I believe that modern Gen 3 tops at around 900-950nm or so, while Gen 2+ Photonis tubes see up to 1100nm. You could use IR lights that show up for Photonis tubes that are barely visible to Gen 3. Digital goes even further to 1200nm iirc.
Dang. I’m glad you brought this up! I’m still learning how they all work.
@@stealth7545 Thanks! That was a very easy to understand description.
Nice! It will make for good practice at the range, and it won’t break the bank! Thanks for the video,man.
I was never a "High Speed" soldier. But I think cheap, Gen 0 and Gen 1 NVD might be okay for defending some fixed, permanent position, especially if it's all you can afford.
You could surround the place with IR floodlighting pointed outward. Assuming that an aggressor already knows you're there.
I don't know about any commercially made units already, but I plan to experiment with some homemade motion-detection lights with IR lamps, positioned on likely avenues of approach. I would think those would catch a defender's attention at night, observing through even cheap NVDs.
An easy way too would be to put up trail cameras with built-in IR flash, but an observer would be more likely to not notice the flash, compared to something that stays lit longer.
At any rate, someone sneaking up on you with NVDs would think they've been busted and lost their element of surprise.
Scatter chemlights or put them on tripwires with a snapping rat trap.
@@Tattlebot That's an idea. And for those who don't know, IR chemlights are available.
Normally when people do reviews like this they include links fpr the products. I want to buy that $33 one....
Same
To scale magnification down keep pressing continuously on the middle button on top of it.
I will be able to see both of you with my thermal scope.
😂 was looking for this
Have fun walking around with your thermal scope. Thats why I got thermal overlay for my nods.
I mean, for 33 bucks im actually impressed
Can you link where you got those Chinese night vision???
Looks like I’m getting a Temu
You use to be able to find the p4 for a little more and its head mountable..theyre about 100 now and i got a used one online for half price and it works great for what it is.
If i only had budget nv and i had my own land,id absolutely have some ir lights set up in trees that way i could turn those on instead of a ir illminator giving away my position.
You can buy 110v ir lights made to help securtiy cameras see better and put those up around your property.
Or i even thought about hooking a flood ir illuminator to a drone lol.
That’s a lot of infrastructure lol sounds like an awesome project though😁👍
I understand you're trying to show some tactical differences but if someone with a Temu nightvision was up against someone with an 8k nightvision, they would likely be outmatched in terms of other equipment and skill anyway. At the end of the day, these cheap units are not aimed at special ops, they're for family hobbyists to take camping or play with in the garden and the price for that is perfect.
@@Ajbxbdueueu if someone in a 308 ar10 was against someone with a 22 lr theyd be out matched obviously but im still using the 22 if thats all i can afford or have.
@@Ajbxbdueueu everything you said was 100 percent obvious.
But not every firearm onwer makes 160k+ a year and can afford everything on top of their bills.
People making 30 to 40 k a year with kids have hard enough time paying bills and eating and also live in the city where unless a total collapse happened they wouldn't need anything like that anyway and I'm taking my gen 1 viper over nothing that I got for $179.
I've got the aurora black too and it works damn good and 2 cheaper thermals that way if I'm up against someone with gen 3 nv I can use my thermal and not show off a ir illuminator.
I got $360 in the aurora and $390 in my armasite rifle mounted thermal with adjustable redicle so that's less than $1000 to altleast be able to fight back and not be helpless against someone with gen 3 nv.
@@Ajbxbdueueu alot of guys instantly think Vietnam and Afghanistan mountains and swamps and thick Forrest when a majority of the times it's just gonna be paved streets and cities people will be in when they need this stuff.
Nobody will be parachuting or running through swaps like in the Rambo movies and a few of these $200 nv setups actually work pretty good compared to nothing at all.
oh wow thats wild
Apparently, Gen3 ownership is illegal in the shitty UK.
luckily we have pvs 69s now which we did at the time this video was uploaded to, but they were very unknown and they still pretty are. but if you build them yourself, you can get three digital zero latency and I guess they’re not G3 but they’re not G2 plus because they work all the way until about half moon and if you’re in like a very forest woods then they probably wouldn’t work too well but if you have full moon then you’re gonna probably be fine quarter moon in dead forest you probably be pretty rough but half moon at dead forest you’ll be fine. Guys make housings for them and they’ve came out with so many ideas for O-rings and stuff, and you can get yourself a pair for about 600 for a bridge set. About 300 for a monocular and they did come out with a file for it but you have to have a 3-D printer or know someone he sells the housing for the bridge set up but it’s 200 other people sell it but you should help him out since he came out with us and pretty much helped everyone get pretty much g3 nvg for cheap. few hours of work
Can you walk or drive over terrain with them?
ive got one and honestly the performance is god awful. i can see better with my eyes most of the time than with these with no IR. used them on a full moon night and the image is just a fuzzy mess since the sensor on the Night Eagle 3 v2 camera isnt very good. not much data it can pick up without an IR light.
that said, with an IR light it work very well. i got a cheap 20 dollar IR light on amazon and stuck it to my helmet and works amazing.
Something like the NVG30 form BINOCK you can get for 350 or get scammed by Goodnightgear and pay 500. These have a very good sensor in them that can actually get some good image data at low light conditions. But i think they do have a little more latency than the pvs 69.
Probably a stupid question. Have you ever tried looking through a rifle scope using the IR binoculars?
I pulled the trigger on a cheap snap-on IR hunting scope but have been wondering about the IR monoculars that look like binoculars. On most those, the IR light is over the left eye and the camera is in front of the right eye, so it might line up pretty good with the scope when doing a cheek weld if you could mannage to strap that to your face somehow.
People usually mount a red dot on top of the scope for NVGs.
I thhink my country is going to provide me with everything I need if I go to battle.
So I will get the cheap one pluss two motorcycles...
Infrared illuminated night vision is also night vision... Gen 1
thanks bro very useful information for not to waste 33 bucks and not to get kill in real warzone❤
where i can buy
I suppose if you think of it as a white light, where in if you're using it, you could be noticed, then it could be useful. Benefits vs risks kinda deal. Do wish it wasn't magnified though.
My nerf modulus works just fine.
All I need is ZERO latency.. The rest absolutely dont matter. Any of these can be used for night hunting ONLY IF THEY DONT COME WITH LATENCY
But if I setup infared flood lights at night then remove the one from night vision, doesn't that mean I can see and you can't?
How are you going to power the floods, and also it’s just gonna make the Gen 3 tubes look clear as day with all the ambient light. And it still doesn’t fix the issue of digital delay
Yes. As an added benefit, you'll probably end up seriously reducing the performance of anyone looking at you
What Ive found out about nods "guys" if you can find one outside of their moms basement then shine a bright light at them and they usually will run away.Everything they say, consider it a hypothetical from their parents basements. Theyre probably sitting there right now like: "teehee the first TRICK is to find me TEEHEE" yeah we know..Parents basement...YAWN, What I will say about the 33China unit on a cursory glance is it seems to do a pretty decent job of ambient light pickup without the IR like a sionyx but the eye relief is a bit far out there and the screen is microscopic. But on a cursory glance im impressed by that sensors ability to pick up on ambient light. Considering REAL use case is probably more trying to navigate a car trail or boat at night rather than being super sneaky in absolute darkness in your moms basements. Im seeing alot more hikers with flashlights than these sneeki breekis. But I guess theyre just WAY too good for me..PFFFF. You cant even give these guys trash. they just spent 8k on a REAL unit. THEYRE ALL LIKE THAT. You get used to it. For the rest of us, no. Were not breaking a 1k pair of PVS7's leaving our moms basements. Were not doing that.
@@gantz4u what an unhinged rant lmao
@@kodo2795and you responded to it because you were in your mom’s basement and took it personally. Haha🤣
The cheap IR Chinese scopes are fine for hunting pigs at night. For combat? Preferably no but it could have limited uses when the alternative is being totally blind at night.
So you’re saying my temu night vision will blind you when i look directly at you
Hmmmmm
link?
Honestly $33 isn’t bad at all for the poopie digital night vision
It's worth pointing out to your audience that there are technically two types of infrared goggles...
IR illuminated goggles that emit infrared like the cheap Chinese scope in this video, these are vastly inferior to ambient light NV. But then there are...
Thermal infrared goggles that emit nothing, require zero lighting, detect people behind cover, and are vastly superior to ambient NV in every way. And if your ambient goggles give off even the tiniest smidgeon of heat it will be the person wearing TI goggles that spot you from a mile away, along with the rest of your body through whatever light covering you're hiding behind.
Different roles. Reflective NVGs are fast and equal to the eye in resolution. Emissive IR sensors have major limitations. Things have changed, yes; the LWIR camera will usually detect a target at 500m. With a magnifying optic the NVG will afterward able to identify what it is. You also can't move over terrain or drive with LWIR. There are other options for static observation. Motion extraction with a powerful multistage image intensifier digital scope can provide unbelievable results.
Where do you get the $33 NV lol
I wanna see sum tests lol
Infrared is the original night vision
Where in fuck did you find a 2x gen 3 tube setup for 8k?!
You can get elbit XLSH duals for 6500 lol, Anvis gen 3 gp tubes can be as low as 3k
Bruh 33$? Daymn i paid 101.69$
So..............Why? That's kind of like comparing the Cessna 150 to the F-35 Lightning II.
these people are always like this, idek if they're aware of what they're comparing lmao. Like who tf is going to bring a "toy" or gadget whatever tiny monocular into "combat". Like what the hell xD... There's no consideration of use cases and value for money. It's best to just ignore videos like these
Digital devices have a very good picture, but they give out the shooter’s position with infrared illumination, for war you need thermal visors, but they are very expensive, even Chinese, you need to teach a person to see at night with his own eyes, like a cat, this requires genetic modification, and as soon as possible , the better☝😯
1:57 wtf was that in the background? Lmao
that's a car
0:30 what you mean you'll lit him up like it's day time.... He already lit up... with inered light... no need for that...!
Yep.... So many people have those $8k nite vision glasses..... Are you kidding me.!.... I'll take my chances for $33.
Fair point and you know what else? A $150 handheld torch shon at those 8k nvgs is gonna blind the ever living shit out of him for a bit.
@@Jimmy2toes4u I'll probably never get nite-vision but, I used to have a Sony digital camera that had a infrared sensor, I could take pictures in total darkness! It was cool, daylight photos were like the "Twilight Zone"..!
@@Jimmy2toes4u No it wont.. most gen3 tubes have autogating and ABC.
Main time it would make a big difference is in almost complete darkness and other people had nv or gen 3.
If you take those cheap ones in the woods out of the city you can't see 5 ft without the ir illuminator on.
@@Jimmy2toes4u Autogain and autogating are a thing
Are you single, or do you have a boyfriend?
Cool,.
Thanks
@wick actual I used the Starlite scope when I was in the service about 50 yrs ago,the quality was pretty poor ,but you could see movement out to 500 meters or so but the clarity was to poor to make out friendly or not,we had to call command before calling in fire from the Navy,we were near the south China sea ,but it was a free fire zone and it was my discretion to light them up or not,the US Navy were very accurate with those 16 inch guns that got my small team a lot of confirmed kills.But that was a long time ago.
@William Tyre thank you for your service sir!
@@wctyre49 Confirmed lmao
@@wctyre49 I believe a starlight scope was a Generation 1 device and those absolutely still have usability today. The market for them shrunk massively in the past few years but it's still possible to obtain the technology here in America but a lot of the devices contain intensifier tubes from Russia such as the EP-33.
Even though I haven't used the original or military spec devices I can say that what you are saying is very close to what I experience. Generation 1 is around 10-30% better than your own eyes at darkness perception but the weakness is in the fact that even though you can detect silhouettes and movement easier than your own eyesight, there is a lack of clarity to the point where it's not a good identification device because of the muddiness of the final visual. This can be greatly changed based on your optical magnification. An example is that my set of 1x Goggles cannot identify people beyond 40 yards although I can easily make out the movement and the silhouette at almost double at that distance. The 2x monocular I own can identify out a little farther at around 50-60 yards but you lose the wider field of view of the 1x device. Also these numbers are given under quite poor conditions such as when you are in heavy overcast with little to no moon and in an open area with little foliage.
I don't know if you ever used these devices on land but I found the biggest failure of Gen 1 devices is heavy foliage woods. Even when the moon is 50% or greater the heavily wooded environments can often force you to use active IR in order to navigate because passive use won't allow you to even make out shapes/silhouettes well beyond even 10-20 yards. Essentially your own eye's natural night vision actually can beat the device's performance in the woods without active IR.
I still enjoy the technology a lot because they are vastly cheaper within $130-$700 and the life span has about doubled from starlight scopes. I believe the original mean time to failure/MTTF was around 500 hours. With the Gen1+ tubes that has been pushed to 1000-1500 hours so you get more for your money than before.
As if 33$ its not bad . Have one my self .
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America wins 🏆
@@wickactual7130fentanyl power!
Your also gonna be blinded by a Chinese nv user
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China night vision, very small view,difficult to walk.
Ummm I guess if you wanna shoot rats