I have a love-hate relationships with Nextcloud. It's like it's trying to run before it's walking properly. It wants to do all kinds of fancy things with Nextcloud Talk and Collabora but after using it for a year it's gotten so ridiculously slow. It's also running on a proper Ryzen homelab server with 64GB of memory - I pity anyone dealing with this slowdown on a Raspberry Pi or something. I want it to be good, it's just trying to be too much too early.
I get that. I only use the core file sync/sharing platform which I think is excellent. I've given the office/collaboration stuff a go... I didn't have performance issues but it did feel disjointed and half-baked. It's a very ambitious undertaking to try and challenge Microsoft 365, but it felt like it's several years away from being something I could actually recommend to most people.
My frustrations with it have been mostly just getting it to work with other services in my homelab and what seems like incredibly boneheaded decisions by them to not include some features enabled by default in their Docker image. I pretty much have given up on them. It looks nice but I'm not going to rearrange my whole homelab setup just to get it to half work.
I've tried installing the docker version on casaos, ive managed to install it no problem, but im unable to get email working nor am i able to get rid of stupid errors regarding security and HTTP/HTTPS
I used the Nextcloud system. Storing files by date, tagging, user groups...etc As the task grew, the demand for resources became disproportionately high. Now I use Owncloud on the same server. It manages the resource much better.
I tested nextcloud in vm with ubuntu, after 1 month i installed on bare metal server with ubuntu. But now i am using CentOS for nextcloud core functionality in production environment with 60 users.
Nice. How are you finding it? I've got it running on CentOS at home. I'll likely swap it over to CentOS Stream now that CentOS has been chucked out the window by Red Hat, but not sure I'd be keen to do that in a production capacity...
@@1MinuteFlipDoc In the case of CentOS/Stream it's less about compatibility and more about stability. If the host is less stable (somewhat speculative) containers won't get around it. For my instance at home, containers aren’t a good fit. A lot of what I'm currently running doesn't work in a container, and a large part of the reason for running stuff at home is experimentation so I actually don't want it all nicely bundled up for me. I chose CentOS because the most common distro I come across in production is RHEL, so it’s a way of keeping me familiar with it.
Excellent video! I was about moving my owncloud to a new server when I thought why not try out NextCloud. I know they are related somehow. Now that I have the info you shared, I've made up my mind to try NextCloud. Thanks.
I have been using NC for 2 years now and just changed to OC. There is a huge difference if you are planning to primarily use these to serve iPadOS clients. NC is totally broken while OC works almost flawlessly. The NC community is uninterested in mobile client development and focus mainly on desktop PC clients. Blatant bugs are reported on the NC community forums and all we get is crickets. Unrelated to these issues, NC has no idea how to handle previews for images, 10GB of images equals 20GB disk space used unless previews are nerfed. OC doesn’t suffer from this issue either. I deal with 1000’s of small low res images and to have 100MB of raw images and 4GB of resulting previews created for them under default settings is laughable. NC is excellent as a desktop and web based platform and outshines OC in this regards. OC is for iOS clients.
I like nextcloud better, since i started hosting my own services, i host it on my raspberrypi but i plan in getting a office pc for the server, but overall i like nextcloud even if i don't use all there services on nextcloud i still like it
I don't know about OC, but NC is always working with the hard drive, even if there is no sync. In idle mode NC uses HDD all the time, but if you disable the service in ubuntu NC stops using HDD and goes to idle state. Constant and useless use of HDD reduces its lifetime and is unlikely to be favorable for SSD.
Do you have a video or guide on your home setup? Your setup sounds like what I'm trying to do. I want to backup my phones (iPhone and android) and computers (windows, Mac, and linux) preferably every night. I would also like to be able to view the files on my tvs or other devices.
I don't, although maybe I'll make a follow-up at some point... The brief overview is that I have client devices syncing important folders to/from Nextcloud. Nextcloud stores the data on a file server. Serviio scans selected media folders on the file server for its library (e.g. sync'd copies of the Windows Music/Pictures/Videos folders). The file server is backed up by Veeam. The speakers and TV autodetect and connect to Serviio using DLNA. If someone deletes a file it can often be recovered within Nextcloud. If not, I can restore it from Veeam to the server, and Nextcloud syncs it back down to the client.
@@ProTechShow Thanks for this video. This was the video I was looking for. As Nick asked, I am also intrested on video guide on this. Not sure if you got enough time to make it. But If you can make it then it will be helpful for lot of people like me.
Looking for a cloud service to distribute a large number of PDFs to music players, and critically, it needs to run with a local router on a small device like a Raspberry Pi, so people can sync their folders anywhere we set up, with no internet access. Thanks for the comparison between the two. NextCloud looks like the clear winner here.
Yeah, I'm a web dev, so I can set it up pretty smooth. As long as they connect to my router, I can send them to the raspi. We currently use DropBox, but if they don't sync up before we play, they will be missing stuff.
Thanks 🙂 It does seem like a lot of work, so it will be interesting to see if it turns out to be worth it. They mentioned speed as a benefit, so I guess the intention may be to move to compiled binaries and remove some overhead resulting from the PHP interpreter. Whether it produces a noticeable difference in the real world is another question!
Is it possible to install nextcloud and still use the pi as a Desktop/use it for other projects at the same time? For example host a discord bot and nextcloud on the pi?
You can run other things on it as well provided you've got sufficient system resources. You will need to pay attention to what ports each application is using as they'll either need to be configured with different port/IP combinations (e.g. if they use different web servers) or use a reverse-proxy like NGINX to split the traffic.
Thanks for the clarification. I wanted to learn System administration and I was told I should learn bash (I already watched several videos from youtube and I am about to read a book), I should ditch the cloud services and install the owncloud server. I wanted to learn about the owncloud server but I found your video. For this purpose, what would you recommend - OwnCloud, NextCloud or Either VM with Ubuntu Server or CentOS?
It depends on your goals. You will learn a lot more by building an on-premises server than you will by setting up a cloud service because someone else is doing a lot of the work for you in the cloud. That said... a lot more companies are using the likes of Office 365 than they are ownCloud/Nextcloud so you might find knowledge of OneDrive to be more useful for actually getting a job in a typical business. CentOS is/was a great way to become familiar with the Red Hat world, which is one of the biggest enterprise distributions; but if you're planning to run it in production you should know its days are numbered in current form. I've got a video about that here: ua-cam.com/video/oeF82IJ5R58/v-deo.html
Anybody looking to learn would be well-advised to either learn to install to a virtual machine or possibly to install to an online service that provides similar features.That way pretty much no matter how badly you screw things up, you still have a working computer. And for the most part, when you're learning new software that's preferable for the same reason as most virtual machines have the ability to save snapshots along the way.
I don't have a horse on this race because I use syncthing but... 12 x 5 support for 115? JESUS. Basically if a server problem goes on friday afternoon you're screwed.
And that's assuming you don't run a 24h business yourself, and you're in the right time zone to get support at a reasonable hour. I could understand if 24/7 was only available on a more expensive tier, but not to have it at all and still call it "enterprise" support? Strange move, that one...
Thanks! That or the docker image perhaps. There's also an official VM appliance if you want something largely preconfigured. I've just installed it manually and haven't found the maintenance too onerous. Their web updater is pretty good. Once in a while it sends a notification that it needs an update and I basically need to click "yes" on a webpage and let it to do its thing.
I'm running NextCloud and I'm trying so hard to like it but every now and then it will just die - particularly after a software update. They just don't seem to do enough testing before they roll out updates. Their code base seems a bit fragile too - just too many failures for a larger organization.
thanks. can you please tell me about what you use to sync your data to central location and what you use for backing up them to another local storage? thanks
I didn't get answer on one thing, otherwise, pretty comprehensive! What is the feature set difference for the core part? OwnCloud claims they are more focusing on that. Would have been nice to see such comparison. For example, what I'm looking for is to have a home-hosted cloud storage which I could use and PARTIALLY (as individually marked on folder/file level) sync to my mobile device.
Cloud is just a name for marketing purposes. Cloud storage is anything not stored locally, I know I'm simplifying it waaaay too much. If you had a flash drive with a Tb of storage on it, you could use it as a cloud. You can use an SD card as cloud storage, just keep whatever you want on it, and when You're not using it, unmount it from your phone, but keep it in. Sounds kinda dumb, but that's what I do, and it costs me 0 dollars. And I put my sensitive stuff on it, and I don't remove it from the phone unless absolutely necessary. That's why they are trying to get rid of having external storage on phones. Because it takes away from the fact that someone can have this cloud thing themselves, for free, and secure. Because billion dollar companies have multiple backups of EVERY single bit of data you have on your devices. It's in the terms of service. If you wanna get mad, get the main privacy and terms for Google apps. And Google itself and see what they get from not only your children, but even your neighbors and if you have other children at your house. It's disgusting they do it. And it's all to make more millions on top of the millions they pay the executives.
@@aronwomack359I believe one key feature of the cloud is the redundancy and safety. If something happens to that SD or the phone, everything is lost. Proper cloud storage companies usually have first level that stores data and then multiple backup locations that are physically in another building. So even in case of a fire, your files are safe. Self hosting is not there yet, since all files are in one place, but is on step more secure since it is way harder for the server to catch fire than for you to drop the phone in water, for example.
I'm thinking of getting either Own or Next. I'm currently paying $5 a month for shared website hosting on Ionos and just found out that they ALSO charge $5 a month for a dedicated server that lets you host ANYTHING you want. The only catch is that since it's my own server, I'd have to set up servers for EVERYTHING myself. Email and Web servers etc. I'm so over Google at this point. I want NC or OC to be able to replace Google docs, Calender, Contacts etc etc. I'm gonna have to learn a lot about setting up and maintain servers but, at $5 a month when I'm already paying that? heck yes!
If you're planning to use it for office apps as well as file sharing, Nextcloud is better aligned to that than ownCloud. The biggest thing about hosting your own server is you are responsible for the security. Making sure you're using HTTPS, multifactor authentication, and you're installing every update for the operating system and the applications as they come out will take you a long way toward mitigating the risks.
It's not a feature I use, but on my mobile app under settings you can select auto upload folders; which sounds like what you're after. Nextcloud should create the thumbnails automatically.
Ah OK, I misread and thought you wanted thumbnails in Nextcloud because you were syncing to it. If you're after a two-way sync I don't think the Nextcloud mobile app does that automatically. It does suppory WebDAV so you can use 3rd party sync apps. There was one called "FolderSync" I used to use on my Android phone for a two-way sync.
It's self-hosted so it's intended that you deploy your own private server. That's where the data primarily lives, and is typically synchronised with your various devices. Think OneDrive but using your own server instead of one owned by Microsoft.
It WAS the protocol for transferring files... about 20 years ago. Assuming you mean SFTP or FTPS and not the original insecure FTP, these serve different purposes. FTP and "S" variants are simply about moving a file from A to B. Nextcloud and ownCloud are Enterprise File Synchronisation and Sharing platforms. They have way more features and cannot be compared with a simple FTP server. They are more comparable to OneDrive or Dropbox. You can actually use an FTPS server as a target for Nextcloud to store data on, with Nextcloud providing the brains and FTPS providing the storage.
I'm not sure which way around you mean, so I'll try both. You can run Nextcloud on a QNAP NAS - I don't have a QNAP myself but I believe they support both virtual machines and containers, so either is an option. I suggest searching UA-cam for a video guide for your preferred method. You can also add your NAS to Nextcloud as storage. There are a few options to do this. You could use the "External storage" app in Nextcloud to add it as an SMB, SFTP, or WebDAV target; or you could mount it to a directory on your host and either add that using the external storage app or just put your Nextcloud data folder in that path to encapsulate the everything.
For home setup, I use OneDrive to sync between 2 Windows devices (laptop + PC). My concern with OneDrive is not privacy, but the energy consumed to store my 200+GB of data in the cloud. Can NextCloud work at home as a true peer to peer solution, i.e. without me needing to run a server? I am aware what I am asking would mean I don't get off site backup but can live with that.
Nextcloud is a client-server setup and can't operate purely peer-to-peer. There is software available for this but I haven't used one in many years that I could recommended.
Next cloud has some comparison table on the pages - nextcloud.com/compare/ Keep in mind that it's from their perspective. And also that some buzzwords makes no sense without explanation, like "LARGE FILE SUPPORT" and Yes tick not explaining what "large" actually is :-)
Haha. It's larger than "small file support", obviously! 🤣 I have a difficult time trusting comparison charts from a vendor because they all cherry-pick the features to make themselves look the best. Useful to find limitations of other solutions, though. PS - The actual answer is that the file size is ultimately limited by the OS/filesystem/browser rather than Nextcloud itself.
At the time of this video, there was nothing visual to compare as they looked and behaved identically, other than their chosen colour schemes; so I focused on their differences in the video. I could have shown them both quickly to demonstrate their similarity for people who hadn't seen either, though. That's something I'll keep in mind for future videos.
Nextcloud is NOT free, it doesn't seem to even have a trimmed down free option. Also, neither seems to run its server over windows, is there an alternative?
I've been using it for years and it is definitely free. It's both free as in beer and free as in speech. As a general rule: if you're interested in using open source software on servers, you should take the time to learn Linux. You'll tend to have an easier time finding information and fixing problems because most FOSS devs are using Linux themselves and a chunk of it simply hasn't been ported to Windows because there isn't as much interest to do so. If you really want to run Windows on the server, a workaround could be to download Nextcloud's AIO containerised version and run it using Docker. The container would still be using Linux internally, but that would be mostly abstracted from you.
@@ProTechShow they don't like the free version at all as they do a nice job buring any reference in the web page. What I'm looking is to replace the filezilla server I'm using now because while the server side is extremely simple, the client side requieres the instalation and config of a program, a thing not everybody gets so I am wishing for a web interface. Obviously changing the os is out of the question so I want to know if there's a windows app that glue this two extremely simple and old concepts: ftp-like and a web interface. Do you know some?
@@tektel None that simple that I could recommend off the top of my head. There will be tons of little web apps out there for uploading files, but you have to consider the security side of it quite carefully and some of the ones I've come across were pretty bad. If you want something that's easy for users and minimises effort for yourself you might want to consider a SaaS option like OneDrive/Dropbox. That way problems like MFA, patching, encryption, operating systems, instruction prevention, etc. aren't your problem.
Oh man!, you tired/exhausted the s**t out of me. I think you should have described the functionalities and features first. then talk about differences between the two companies and the fights that have been taking place between developers, VC...
Improved document editing for Nextcloud: ua-cam.com/video/D5vSZntbso4/v-deo.html
I like how fair, balanced, and unbias you are. This adds a lot of credability to your video.
Thanks 🙂
I have a love-hate relationships with Nextcloud. It's like it's trying to run before it's walking properly. It wants to do all kinds of fancy things with Nextcloud Talk and Collabora but after using it for a year it's gotten so ridiculously slow. It's also running on a proper Ryzen homelab server with 64GB of memory - I pity anyone dealing with this slowdown on a Raspberry Pi or something. I want it to be good, it's just trying to be too much too early.
I get that. I only use the core file sync/sharing platform which I think is excellent. I've given the office/collaboration stuff a go... I didn't have performance issues but it did feel disjointed and half-baked. It's a very ambitious undertaking to try and challenge Microsoft 365, but it felt like it's several years away from being something I could actually recommend to most people.
My frustrations with it have been mostly just getting it to work with other services in my homelab and what seems like incredibly boneheaded decisions by them to not include some features enabled by default in their Docker image. I pretty much have given up on them. It looks nice but I'm not going to rearrange my whole homelab setup just to get it to half work.
I've tried installing the docker version on casaos, ive managed to install it no problem, but im unable to get email working nor am i able to get rid of stupid errors regarding security and HTTP/HTTPS
I used the Nextcloud system.
Storing files by date, tagging, user groups...etc
As the task grew, the demand for resources became disproportionately high.
Now I use Owncloud on the same server. It manages the resource much better.
Thank you for explain.
For me,
OwnCloud - too few features. I need more.
NextCloud - too much features. I hope my little NAS box won't crash.
Glad it helped!
I tested nextcloud in vm with ubuntu, after 1 month i installed on bare metal server with ubuntu. But now i am using CentOS for nextcloud core functionality in production environment with 60 users.
Nice. How are you finding it? I've got it running on CentOS at home. I'll likely swap it over to CentOS Stream now that CentOS has been chucked out the window by Red Hat, but not sure I'd be keen to do that in a production capacity...
@@ProTechShow why not run it in a docker container and don't worry about the linux distro?
@@1MinuteFlipDoc In the case of CentOS/Stream it's less about compatibility and more about stability. If the host is less stable (somewhat speculative) containers won't get around it. For my instance at home, containers aren’t a good fit. A lot of what I'm currently running doesn't work in a container, and a large part of the reason for running stuff at home is experimentation so I actually don't want it all nicely bundled up for me. I chose CentOS because the most common distro I come across in production is RHEL, so it’s a way of keeping me familiar with it.
@@ProTechShow Have you thought about using RHEL instead of CentOS/Stream? RHEL is allowing up to 16 servers for free without a paid subscription.
@@brentmobley6968 I've actually just recorded a video about that. I still need to do the editing, but it should be online for 2nd June.
Excellent video! I was about moving my owncloud to a new server when I thought why not try out NextCloud. I know they are related somehow. Now that I have the info you shared, I've made up my mind to try NextCloud. Thanks.
I have been using NC for 2 years now and just changed to OC. There is a huge difference if you are planning to primarily use these to serve iPadOS clients. NC is totally broken while OC works almost flawlessly. The NC community is uninterested in mobile client development and focus mainly on desktop PC clients. Blatant bugs are reported on the NC community forums and all we get is crickets. Unrelated to these issues, NC has no idea how to handle previews for images, 10GB of images equals 20GB disk space used unless previews are nerfed. OC doesn’t suffer from this issue either. I deal with 1000’s of small low res images and to have 100MB of raw images and 4GB of resulting previews created for them under default settings is laughable. NC is excellent as a desktop and web based platform and outshines OC in this regards. OC is for iOS clients.
I am thinking to make clouds for my family total 3 users 1 ios and 2 android + 1 linux 1 mac 1 windows.
Which will be better for me?
I like nextcloud better, since i started hosting my own services, i host it on my raspberrypi but i plan in getting a office pc for the server, but overall i like nextcloud even if i don't use all there services on nextcloud i still like it
after you set up your own cloud, you head for the next cloud to then set up your own cloud and repeat the cycle
I don't know about OC, but NC is always working with the hard drive, even if there is no sync. In idle mode NC uses HDD all the time, but if you disable the service in ubuntu NC stops using HDD and goes to idle state. Constant and useless use of HDD reduces its lifetime and is unlikely to be favorable for SSD.
Do you have a video or guide on your home setup? Your setup sounds like what I'm trying to do. I want to backup my phones (iPhone and android) and computers (windows, Mac, and linux) preferably every night. I would also like to be able to view the files on my tvs or other devices.
I don't, although maybe I'll make a follow-up at some point...
The brief overview is that I have client devices syncing important folders to/from Nextcloud. Nextcloud stores the data on a file server. Serviio scans selected media folders on the file server for its library (e.g. sync'd copies of the Windows Music/Pictures/Videos folders). The file server is backed up by Veeam.
The speakers and TV autodetect and connect to Serviio using DLNA. If someone deletes a file it can often be recovered within Nextcloud. If not, I can restore it from Veeam to the server, and Nextcloud syncs it back down to the client.
I'd definitely also be interested in your setup! Sounds pretty amazing.. 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
@@ProTechShow Thanks for this video. This was the video I was looking for. As Nick asked, I am also intrested on video guide on this. Not sure if you got enough time to make it. But If you can make it then it will be helpful for lot of people like me.
@@jazboy01 I probably won't do a detailed install guide, but I have it on my todo list to make one covering the sync & backup aspect in more detail.
@@ProTechShow thanks for reply and acknowledge. I am sure that video will be great too. I will be waiting for this to come.
Looking for a cloud service to distribute a large number of PDFs to music players, and critically, it needs to run with a local router on a small device like a Raspberry Pi, so people can sync their folders anywhere we set up, with no internet access. Thanks for the comparison between the two. NextCloud looks like the clear winner here.
Interesting use case. As long as the other devices can resolve the address of the local server that should work fine.
Yeah, I'm a web dev, so I can set it up pretty smooth. As long as they connect to my router, I can send them to the raspi. We currently use DropBox, but if they don't sync up before we play, they will be missing stuff.
Good informative video! I would say your recommendation is right. Not sure what prompted OC to switch away from PHP - bad move IMHO!
Thanks 🙂
It does seem like a lot of work, so it will be interesting to see if it turns out to be worth it. They mentioned speed as a benefit, so I guess the intention may be to move to compiled binaries and remove some overhead resulting from the PHP interpreter. Whether it produces a noticeable difference in the real world is another question!
Is it possible to install nextcloud and still use the pi as a Desktop/use it for other projects at the same time?
For example host a discord bot and nextcloud on the pi?
You can run other things on it as well provided you've got sufficient system resources. You will need to pay attention to what ports each application is using as they'll either need to be configured with different port/IP combinations (e.g. if they use different web servers) or use a reverse-proxy like NGINX to split the traffic.
Great tutorial. I hope you're getting a check for wearing that jacket. Thanks for shooting and sharing.
No sponsored jackets - it's just really cold in my garage where I record these videos!
Thanks for the clarification. I wanted to learn System administration and I was told I should learn bash (I already watched several videos from youtube and I am about to read a book), I should ditch the cloud services and install the owncloud server. I wanted to learn about the owncloud server but I found your video. For this purpose, what would you recommend - OwnCloud, NextCloud or Either VM with Ubuntu Server or CentOS?
It depends on your goals. You will learn a lot more by building an on-premises server than you will by setting up a cloud service because someone else is doing a lot of the work for you in the cloud. That said... a lot more companies are using the likes of Office 365 than they are ownCloud/Nextcloud so you might find knowledge of OneDrive to be more useful for actually getting a job in a typical business.
CentOS is/was a great way to become familiar with the Red Hat world, which is one of the biggest enterprise distributions; but if you're planning to run it in production you should know its days are numbered in current form. I've got a video about that here: ua-cam.com/video/oeF82IJ5R58/v-deo.html
Anybody looking to learn would be well-advised to either learn to install to a virtual machine or possibly to install to an online service that provides similar features.That way pretty much no matter how badly you screw things up, you still have a working computer. And for the most part, when you're learning new software that's preferable for the same reason as most virtual machines have the ability to save snapshots along the way.
I don't have a horse on this race because I use syncthing but... 12 x 5 support for 115? JESUS.
Basically if a server problem goes on friday afternoon you're screwed.
And that's assuming you don't run a 24h business yourself, and you're in the right time zone to get support at a reasonable hour.
I could understand if 24/7 was only available on a more expensive tier, but not to have it at all and still call it "enterprise" support? Strange move, that one...
Nice one, very interesting video. Thank you. What would you say least maintenance way of running Nextcloud is? Snap install?
Thanks! That or the docker image perhaps. There's also an official VM appliance if you want something largely preconfigured. I've just installed it manually and haven't found the maintenance too onerous. Their web updater is pretty good. Once in a while it sends a notification that it needs an update and I basically need to click "yes" on a webpage and let it to do its thing.
I'm running NextCloud and I'm trying so hard to like it but every now and then it will just die - particularly after a software update. They just don't seem to do enough testing before they roll out updates. Their code base seems a bit fragile too - just too many failures for a larger organization.
I haven't had any problems with stability myself, although I only use the core files part. Are you using additional apps with it?
Well explained and made me finally decide on nextcloud! New subscriber here!
Good to have you 🙂
thanks. can you please tell me about what you use to sync your data to central location and what you use for backing up them to another local storage? thanks
Nextcloud does the syncing. Veeam does the backups.
I didn't get answer on one thing, otherwise, pretty comprehensive!
What is the feature set difference for the core part? OwnCloud claims they are more focusing on that. Would have been nice to see such comparison.
For example, what I'm looking for is to have a home-hosted cloud storage which I could use and PARTIALLY (as individually marked on folder/file level) sync to my mobile device.
Cloud is just a name for marketing purposes.
Cloud storage is anything not stored locally, I know I'm simplifying it waaaay too much.
If you had a flash drive with a Tb of storage on it, you could use it as a cloud.
You can use an SD card as cloud storage, just keep whatever you want on it, and when You're not using it, unmount it from your phone, but keep it in.
Sounds kinda dumb, but that's what I do, and it costs me 0 dollars.
And I put my sensitive stuff on it, and I don't remove it from the phone unless absolutely necessary.
That's why they are trying to get rid of having external storage on phones. Because it takes away from the fact that someone can have this cloud thing themselves, for free, and secure.
Because billion dollar companies have multiple backups of EVERY single bit of data you have on your devices.
It's in the terms of service.
If you wanna get mad, get the main privacy and terms for Google apps. And Google itself and see what they get from not only your children, but even your neighbors and if you have other children at your house. It's disgusting they do it. And it's all to make more millions on top of the millions they pay the executives.
@@aronwomack359I believe one key feature of the cloud is the redundancy and safety. If something happens to that SD or the phone, everything is lost. Proper cloud storage companies usually have first level that stores data and then multiple backup locations that are physically in another building. So even in case of a fire, your files are safe.
Self hosting is not there yet, since all files are in one place, but is on step more secure since it is way harder for the server to catch fire than for you to drop the phone in water, for example.
I'm thinking of getting either Own or Next. I'm currently paying $5 a month for shared website hosting on Ionos and just found out that they ALSO charge $5 a month for a dedicated server that lets you host ANYTHING you want.
The only catch is that since it's my own server, I'd have to set up servers for EVERYTHING myself. Email and Web servers etc.
I'm so over Google at this point. I want NC or OC to be able to replace Google docs, Calender, Contacts etc etc.
I'm gonna have to learn a lot about setting up and maintain servers but, at $5 a month when I'm already paying that? heck yes!
If you're planning to use it for office apps as well as file sharing, Nextcloud is better aligned to that than ownCloud. The biggest thing about hosting your own server is you are responsible for the security. Making sure you're using HTTPS, multifactor authentication, and you're installing every update for the operating system and the applications as they come out will take you a long way toward mitigating the risks.
Thank you for clarifying the distingtions. I found this video quite informative.
Thanks. Glad it was useful!
Is this price one month or one year?
The prices I listed in the table were per user, per year, assuming 100 users to make the published price brackets from each side comparable.
very clear and complete explanation, good job!
Thanks!
they both have docker containers! try both! hahah
May as well!
can someone please explain how can i sync my whole phone gallery to nextcloud and have preview of the nextcloud images in gallery , like google photos
It's not a feature I use, but on my mobile app under settings you can select auto upload folders; which sounds like what you're after.
Nextcloud should create the thumbnails automatically.
@@ProTechShow the media on nextcloud can only be seen either just inside next cloud app or their website not inside phone gallery
Ah OK, I misread and thought you wanted thumbnails in Nextcloud because you were syncing to it. If you're after a two-way sync I don't think the Nextcloud mobile app does that automatically. It does suppory WebDAV so you can use 3rd party sync apps. There was one called "FolderSync" I used to use on my Android phone for a two-way sync.
@@ProTechShow thanks bro let me try those and get back to you , much appreciated :)
@@ProTechShow i am having some connection issue with that app bro , i have messaged you on twitter if u have some time can u check that
I have a nextcloud server up with onlyoffice server for document editing and it's amazing
Glad to hear it's working well for you
Nextcloud!
I have a nas servers at home that I don't use. Its time to buy wd red and iron wolf hard drives and experiment
Best way to learn!
Where are the files stored on owncloud servers or on my PC?
It's self-hosted so it's intended that you deploy your own private server. That's where the data primarily lives, and is typically synchronised with your various devices. Think OneDrive but using your own server instead of one owned by Microsoft.
11:50 What is the Ghoul programming language?
"Go" aka "Golang": golang.org/
Super review! Thanks!
Cheers!
Jump to 03:40 if you want him to get to the point!
Very good sir, thanks!
Cheers!
Why don't we use FTP??? That IS the protocol for transfering files. File Transfer Protocol? Scratching my head.
It WAS the protocol for transferring files... about 20 years ago.
Assuming you mean SFTP or FTPS and not the original insecure FTP, these serve different purposes. FTP and "S" variants are simply about moving a file from A to B. Nextcloud and ownCloud are Enterprise File Synchronisation and Sharing platforms. They have way more features and cannot be compared with a simple FTP server. They are more comparable to OneDrive or Dropbox. You can actually use an FTPS server as a target for Nextcloud to store data on, with Nextcloud providing the brains and FTPS providing the storage.
Thanks for sharing, have a great day 🙂
Thanks. You too!
how to add NAS qnap to my nextcloud
I'm not sure which way around you mean, so I'll try both. You can run Nextcloud on a QNAP NAS - I don't have a QNAP myself but I believe they support both virtual machines and containers, so either is an option. I suggest searching UA-cam for a video guide for your preferred method.
You can also add your NAS to Nextcloud as storage. There are a few options to do this. You could use the "External storage" app in Nextcloud to add it as an SMB, SFTP, or WebDAV target; or you could mount it to a directory on your host and either add that using the external storage app or just put your Nextcloud data folder in that path to encapsulate the everything.
Very informative. Thx!!!
You're welcome 🙂
I use linode to host my nextcloud instance
Nice. Did you use the app from their marketplace?
@@ProTechShow I manually deployed it on a ubuntu 20.04 server . Market place only had option for debian
Thank you.
You're welcome
thanks for making this information quick and easy
Cheers! Glad it was useful.
For home setup, I use OneDrive to sync between 2 Windows devices (laptop + PC). My concern with OneDrive is not privacy, but the energy consumed to store my 200+GB of data in the cloud. Can NextCloud work at home as a true peer to peer solution, i.e. without me needing to run a server? I am aware what I am asking would mean I don't get off site backup but can live with that.
Nextcloud is a client-server setup and can't operate purely peer-to-peer.
There is software available for this but I haven't used one in many years that I could recommended.
If you only need peer to peer file syncing, not storage, syncthing is a better solution.
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You're welcome 🙂
Thanks.
You're welcome
Next cloud has some comparison table on the pages - nextcloud.com/compare/
Keep in mind that it's from their perspective. And also that some buzzwords makes no sense without explanation, like "LARGE FILE SUPPORT" and Yes tick not explaining what "large" actually is :-)
Haha. It's larger than "small file support", obviously! 🤣
I have a difficult time trusting comparison charts from a vendor because they all cherry-pick the features to make themselves look the best. Useful to find limitations of other solutions, though.
PS - The actual answer is that the file size is ultimately limited by the OS/filesystem/browser rather than Nextcloud itself.
Neither, you get yourself a Synology NAS and eliminate the half-baked software.
why would you make a video comparing two tools and only show your face?
At the time of this video, there was nothing visual to compare as they looked and behaved identically, other than their chosen colour schemes; so I focused on their differences in the video.
I could have shown them both quickly to demonstrate their similarity for people who hadn't seen either, though. That's something I'll keep in mind for future videos.
thank you
You're welcome
is this guy AI generated?
Maybe this was recorded on a phone. Maybe I'm your new AI overlord. Who can say for sure?
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IA nice
Nextcloud is NOT free, it doesn't seem to even have a trimmed down free option. Also, neither seems to run its server over windows, is there an alternative?
I've been using it for years and it is definitely free. It's both free as in beer and free as in speech.
As a general rule: if you're interested in using open source software on servers, you should take the time to learn Linux. You'll tend to have an easier time finding information and fixing problems because most FOSS devs are using Linux themselves and a chunk of it simply hasn't been ported to Windows because there isn't as much interest to do so.
If you really want to run Windows on the server, a workaround could be to download Nextcloud's AIO containerised version and run it using Docker. The container would still be using Linux internally, but that would be mostly abstracted from you.
@@ProTechShow they don't like the free version at all as they do a nice job buring any reference in the web page. What I'm looking is to replace the filezilla server I'm using now because while the server side is extremely simple, the client side requieres the instalation and config of a program, a thing not everybody gets so I am wishing for a web interface. Obviously changing the os is out of the question so I want to know if there's a windows app that glue this two extremely simple and old concepts: ftp-like and a web interface. Do you know some?
@@tektel None that simple that I could recommend off the top of my head. There will be tons of little web apps out there for uploading files, but you have to consider the security side of it quite carefully and some of the ones I've come across were pretty bad. If you want something that's easy for users and minimises effort for yourself you might want to consider a SaaS option like OneDrive/Dropbox. That way problems like MFA, patching, encryption, operating systems, instruction prevention, etc. aren't your problem.
If you want to have total control over your own data, you need to develop your own hardware and software.😇
All these developers unable to work software work on windows, don't truly understand how software works at all. Amazing.
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next cloud is not really free ..you hav to pay for further funktions..
Oh man!, you tired/exhausted the s**t out of me. I think you should have described the functionalities and features first. then talk about differences between the two companies and the fights that have been taking place between developers, VC...
You should make a "to the point" video
There is no cloud it's just someone else computer.
These are both self-hosted. It's your computer.
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