Very impressed with the engineering gone into that 3D printed monocopter, in comparison my folding TPU receiver & antenna holders are very simple designs, and years on I still can't believe my first iteration & first print of my TPU props worked so well in their maiden FPV flights I uploaded here, those were really simple too.
Alex is right up there with the Apolo 13 pilot that had to relearn to fly the lunar lander while making an engine burn to get back to Earth. The guy can fly anything.
Can you guys try 2 pilots 1 drone with 2 controller that average out all the stick movements? Like pilot 1 set throttle to 100%, pilot 2 set throttle to 50%, the drone will see it at average 75%. This apply to all the other axises and see what happen.
Very interesting. It will always be problematic to fly because it will lose almost all authority when descending or during any throttle down event. Very cool that it worked, no clue how you would setup the servos to do this in betaflight. Totally impressed with the software management.
There are a series of ion propelled UAVs on my channel, that have zero propellers, they fly by solid state means utilizing an ionic wind. The control system is still being perfected.
Bubby should be the test flight master he can fly and maneuver through anything with anything... My favorite vid to date is bubby and drib in the airport coolest mini flying out to date hands down..
This reminds me of my failure early 2000 with gasoline engine and a fan from Home Depot 😂 I had fascination for single prop design. I was inspired by Honeywell designs.
Research the Hiller flying platform from the 1960’s. They built a manned flying platform using 2 counter rotating props and steering vanes under the props similar to your initial design.
this is the Elfite hyper taxi, it was a super ful plane made on exactly this concept but 10 years ago and with a sweet looking body and no flight controller, was all pilot. they later made it again in UMX with stabilization. super cool plane
I suspect the vanes are stalling when it's given too much stick. The pid loop probably also stalls them when theres a spike in any axis. It tries to correct and just pushes the vanes too far in that particular condition. Maybe you could program variable end points for the vanes. If you could put a small enough pitot tube near them you could use the airspeed at the vanes to make sure they are never put into a stall condition.
Love watching Shawns builds come together keep up the good work! (Edit:As he said in the video this wasnt Shawns design but still love watching people do what they are passionate about.)
This is so cool. I think your next project should be the Tesla radio controlled boat but micro quad version. IE a big... Tesla coil that bleeds off enough electricity to power a small quad infinitely... This would be the start to online real FPV quad racing except you would have to wait for a real person to put your drone together put it on the racetrack but essentially you could jump online and fly around for as long as you wanted to.
gyroscopic effect, 45 degree out of phase, perpenticular in vector of direction, if you dont compensate the effect, when yaw is ordered the frame will pitch uncontrolled.....here is a fully function example, he did it by edf , i think it will be a piece by propeller. title:" Ikarus electric "rocket" - Thrust-vectored flying ducted fan".
I don't know if anyone mentioned this, but the prototype looks like it's top heavy, so it's in an unstable state when flying and wants to flip over. Maybe it would be less prone to flipping with a bottom heavy design, e.g. if you moved the battery, camera and electronics to the bottom, under the ducts. The tradeoff would be that you disrupt some of the airflow, but it's stable state would be upright. It would probably look a little bit like a hot air balloon, lol.
I have imagined something like a ball with 1 ducted motor inside on a 2 axis gimbal with mass countering gimbal movements in opposite direction so you can slow the ducted motor down, rapidly rotate to new angle and fire it back up. Would look so bad ass and be capable of some really crazy stuff. I just imagine it's yaw would still be an issue without a second counter rotating duct just above it.
So with a traditional helicopter and even a non-traditional helicopter there are helicopters out there that do not use a rear tail rotor the only thing they use is the rotor or the main rotor in each blade changes pitch as a wing to allow are to travel over it in a certain way to create more lift or thrust and that way when it's rotating it's changing pitch at all times to make the copter go one way or the other forward or backwards because the throttle still stays the same just FYI just so you know
I wonder if you could have "fixed" (on a servo, but only based on the throttle input) fins that counteract the twist from the prop, and tune those separately, and then fins that do maneuvering. That might help isolate the two issues. I think a lot of the problems you're having come from trying to use the fins for more than one thing, and like another commenter says, the fins lose control when they get into a stall condition. Heck, maybe just making it taller and putting the fins a bit farther away would help, just less chaotic airflow.
Maybe a mixing function in the transmitter could be used to add some yaw action on the fins depending on throttle setting.. So stabilisation in the FC has an rssier job?!?
@@dg9bfc thats what I was talking about, if the mixing adds things together until it gets over the stall angle of the surface, you then have a problem because the surface doesnt work like the flight controller expects. Separating the surfaces could in theory help with that.
10-12" 4blade prop, with 1small low kv 2s motor, wider wheelbase, and 4 tiny servos, camera system like the mavic mini 3, do i spy a sub 250 camera drone with much longer flight time?.....
Thats an awesome spot as well.. Where is that, like Georgia or something with those Trees? Theyre actually perfect for flying thru tree branches and finding cool lines to go thru below the Tree Line
so im new to drones and all..... but jsut by seeing how touchy i can be.... why not treat it like a cinawhoop???? all getntle yaws, pitch, rolls? maybe the can stop some of the shaking better? and work more on the power of thrust there is for the motor/blade being used for more sturdy in the air, just an idea i have but yea
Hey guys I might have something one or two of you might want to try, how about you try and find or make some big infrared lights and put a infrared camera on all y'alls drones and do some night flying
Mount 2 props.. One turn left and one turn right. So you have no yaw momentum.. And the flaps do only direction control and no yaw compensation against Motor force..
Then it is a coaxial helicopter. Quite boring since you can find better flying coaxial helicopters that are designed as helicopters rather than some weird ball, in a toy store pretty much
Cool video! I like seeing the different designs over the years to this that actually works surprisingly well for first time testing/tinkering.. Where can you buy that white foam board in the USA at a store? I heard some say Home Depot or Lowes. I tried both of those places, as well as Ace Hardware, Michael's, & Hobby Lobby and nothing.. I would love to be able to build planes and stuff to mess around with the foam board.. Especially since I don't have a 3D printer right now, but im waiting to actually look into the 3D printers and do some Research and see what Brand/Model and Type of 3D Printer to even get in the first place lol.. Anyone have any recommendations for a 3D printer thats good for a main first 3d printer, and is maybe upgradeable over time to make it even better and be able to use all the popular material types, baseplate's, Printer Heads, etc..
Great Project Sean as Always. I think you should really challange yourself an Build a INAV Tri-EDF thrust-Vectored Plane-Drone an Let Bubby oder Vanover try to rip it and see what they can pull off. Essential RC has covered the bulid process of Dietmar Metz and his "Star Wars TRI-JET Demonstration" check it out. Ich would love to See a FPV version of that on Rotor Riot
Here is the page where I found the info to make this project work:
shorturl-at/pvEQ7 (substitute a dot for the dash - yt won't let me post a link)
No link
@@ashers_workshoplook closer
Where is the link? :D
@@paulmoller7313 youtube doesn’t let you put links in the comments anymore. Look deeper into this thread and you will figure it out.
I love Sean’s creations. He’s an asset to the team with these creative endeavors
I feel like he gets too much credit. All the work is done for him. He just copies everyone else’s work
Rotor riot has invented the helicopter
Haha mako
Helicopter has 2. It has the one in the back
@@zytec4493 true, I forgot about the tail rotor
Rotor riot had reinvented the rocket
@@snooganify they re made the hiller vz-1
Very impressed with the engineering gone into that 3D printed monocopter, in comparison my folding TPU receiver & antenna holders are very simple designs, and years on I still can't believe my first iteration & first print of my TPU props worked so well in their maiden FPV flights I uploaded here, those were really simple too.
Alex is right up there with the Apolo 13 pilot that had to relearn to fly the lunar lander while making an engine burn to get back to Earth. The guy can fly anything.
Can you guys try 2 pilots 1 drone with 2 controller that average out all the stick movements? Like pilot 1 set throttle to 100%, pilot 2 set throttle to 50%, the drone will see it at average 75%. This apply to all the other axises and see what happen.
Very interesting. It will always be problematic to fly because it will lose almost all authority when descending or during any throttle down event. Very cool that it worked, no clue how you would setup the servos to do this in betaflight. Totally impressed with the software management.
Tom Stanton has a different approach to a single-bladed drone, worth checking out if you want to continue this concept. Awesome concept tho!
Is Shawn just the most bad ass, innovative dude ever or what?
Cool guys can’t wait for you guys to see my project
There are a series of ion propelled UAVs on my channel, that have zero propellers, they fly by solid state means utilizing an ionic wind. The control system is still being perfected.
Bubby should be the test flight master he can fly and maneuver through anything with anything... My favorite vid to date is bubby and drib in the airport coolest mini flying out to date hands down..
“I’m a gentle flower “ lmao another awesome video!!!
That's pretty dang ole cool fellas LockJawFPV in tha building Vrap
This reminds me of my failure early 2000 with gasoline engine and a fan from Home Depot 😂 I had fascination for single prop design. I was inspired by Honeywell designs.
I love those episodes with weird drones.
Research the Hiller flying platform from the 1960’s. They built a manned flying platform using 2 counter rotating props and steering vanes under the props similar to your initial design.
LetsFlyRC at Rampage: "I'm building a 100-motor drone".
LetsFlyRC in real life: "So I built a 1-motor drone..."
Shaun….. I love that you are just doing your thing, I wish I could hang out with you for a day and see all these cool things dude 🤘🏻
2:55 RIP Mitch Hedberg
lol I didn't catch that until you Ferris Bueller'd the camera
Sweet video. Of course vanny can fly anything. Shawn is so cool. Great job.
That is really cool, incorporating thrust vectoring… guess we all learned something today!
YES!!! This is AWESOME!!!
this is the Elfite hyper taxi, it was a super ful plane made on exactly this concept but 10 years ago and with a sweet looking body and no flight controller, was all pilot. they later made it again in UMX with stabilization. super cool plane
So a tail sitter with no wings
I just love seeing Drew, and the mono ball was amazing too. ;)
cheers guys ;D
I suspect the vanes are stalling when it's given too much stick. The pid loop probably also stalls them when theres a spike in any axis. It tries to correct and just pushes the vanes too far in that particular condition.
Maybe you could program variable end points for the vanes. If you could put a small enough pitot tube near them you could use the airspeed at the vanes to make sure they are never put into a stall condition.
All the Gas! 😄 these out of the box builds are the best
When in Afghanistan I flew the Honeywell T-Hawk check it out exact same thing just runs on aviation gas and a price tag of $400,000.00
Bro that thing is bananas!! What the heck!
That's a ducted Heli, that's what it is....lol
I love experimentation!
Thanks, guys.
👍✌
Monocopters are so much fun! Just for the "wat". haha
Wow this design so old, so cool so see it now
Love watching Shawns builds come together keep up the good work! (Edit:As he said in the video this wasnt Shawns design but still love watching people do what they are passionate about.)
That's not his; he found it on thingiverse.
@@estebiuivanu5824 Thanks for pointing it out
This is what happens when Shawn takes a dab hit. His mind goes Boooom and instance innovation 🤣😂
Working on one of these right now, but a fair bit bigger. It's definitely a struggle.
- 3 vanes should work
- the vanes need distance from CG for control torque.
- best if counter to propeller torque is divided among all vanes.
Wow, Drib had to be "that guy" again 😆. Love the creativeness, hopefully you can get it working smoother, and experiment with the design a bit more.
This is so cool. I think your next project should be the Tesla radio controlled boat but micro quad version. IE a big... Tesla coil that bleeds off enough electricity to power a small quad infinitely... This would be the start to online real FPV quad racing except you would have to wait for a real person to put your drone together put it on the racetrack but essentially you could jump online and fly around for as long as you wanted to.
Awesome to watch your projects.
So cool! I love the concept!
Next time try to add 4 weels to a drone frame. Maybe you'll invent a car
Had a blast! I look forward to next year!
grid fins like spacex. big brain 🧠
thats insane
gyroscopic effect, 45 degree out of phase, perpenticular in vector of direction, if you dont compensate the effect, when yaw is ordered the frame will pitch uncontrolled.....here is a fully function example, he did it by edf , i think it will be a piece by propeller. title:" Ikarus electric "rocket" - Thrust-vectored flying ducted fan".
So I guess the message here is that the key to success is using a design that already works. 🙂
Does it Trippy Spin?! 😁Jk. Very cool concept!
I don't know if anyone mentioned this, but the prototype looks like it's top heavy, so it's in an unstable state when flying and wants to flip over. Maybe it would be less prone to flipping with a bottom heavy design, e.g. if you moved the battery, camera and electronics to the bottom, under the ducts. The tradeoff would be that you disrupt some of the airflow, but it's stable state would be upright. It would probably look a little bit like a hot air balloon, lol.
Top heavy isn't a problem with good software tuning. It will need distance between CG and vanes for control authority.
I have imagined something like a ball with 1 ducted motor inside on a 2 axis gimbal with mass countering gimbal movements in opposite direction so you can slow the ducted motor down, rapidly rotate to new angle and fire it back up. Would look so bad ass and be capable of some really crazy stuff. I just imagine it's yaw would still be an issue without a second counter rotating duct just above it.
Looks like a flying end table. Interesting build
I got a coax 2 motor 2 servo single copter to work with a kk2 board without too much drama. It's a cool experiment.
Wow kk2 board....brings me back man holy crap
So with a traditional helicopter and even a non-traditional helicopter there are helicopters out there that do not use a rear tail rotor the only thing they use is the rotor or the main rotor in each blade changes pitch as a wing to allow are to travel over it in a certain way to create more lift or thrust and that way when it's rotating it's changing pitch at all times to make the copter go one way or the other forward or backwards because the throttle still stays the same just FYI just so you know
It's just an airplane. Think about it.
Maybe that design could work well for vertically launching a plane. Cool stuff and fun to watch - thanks.
I wonder if you could have "fixed" (on a servo, but only based on the throttle input) fins that counteract the twist from the prop, and tune those separately, and then fins that do maneuvering. That might help isolate the two issues. I think a lot of the problems you're having come from trying to use the fins for more than one thing, and like another commenter says, the fins lose control when they get into a stall condition. Heck, maybe just making it taller and putting the fins a bit farther away would help, just less chaotic airflow.
Maybe a mixing function in the transmitter could be used to add some yaw action on the fins depending on throttle setting.. So stabilisation in the FC has an rssier job?!?
@@dg9bfc thats what I was talking about, if the mixing adds things together until it gets over the stall angle of the surface, you then have a problem because the surface doesnt work like the flight controller expects. Separating the surfaces could in theory help with that.
Us military had one not a new concept but very cool for the RC community
Nice Job!
That's pretty cool 😎
I made one and flew it! It was awesome. Check out the Vbat military drone, its a giant 300cc version!
so cool
Nice.
10-12" 4blade prop, with 1small low kv 2s motor, wider wheelbase, and 4 tiny servos, camera system like the mavic mini 3, do i spy a sub 250 camera drone with much longer flight time?.....
Congrats, you made an Air Taxi :) haha
How about 1 big prop in the middle for thrust and then 4 smaller props around for control.
Love it~❤
I think if you hang some weight at the bottom, it will get more stable centre of gravity.
Thats an awesome spot as well.. Where is that, like Georgia or something with those Trees? Theyre actually perfect for flying thru tree branches and finding cool lines to go thru below the Tree Line
Sweet Content Guys.
so im new to drones and all..... but jsut by seeing how touchy i can be.... why not treat it like a cinawhoop???? all getntle yaws, pitch, rolls? maybe the can stop some of the shaking better? and work more on the power of thrust there is for the motor/blade being used for more sturdy in the air, just an idea i have but yea
Awesome, keep up the creativity!!
Hey guys I might have something one or two of you might want to try, how about you try and find or make some big infrared lights and put a infrared camera on all y'alls drones and do some night flying
It is a fun build, made mine 2 years ago.
What drone is bubby flying at 11:00? Seems like the camera is on a gimbal. Is this a DJI Avata?
Let's put the COM on the bottom. Send a shaft up through the louvers and keep prop high up.
CG should be as far from the vanes as can be arranged for control torque.
This type of drone has been around for a long time, and with a good filling. Why reinvent the wheel again?
Shawn is a genius
Very interesting. Probably impractical but it would be interesting as a controls challange.
Go look up the ball drone from 4 years ago
Nice work !
Mount 2 props.. One turn left and one turn right. So you have no yaw momentum.. And the flaps do only direction control and no yaw compensation against Motor force..
Then it is a coaxial helicopter. Quite boring since you can find better flying coaxial helicopters that are designed as helicopters rather than some weird ball, in a toy store pretty much
what goggles are those
Dominator with custom faceplate
Cool video! I like seeing the different designs over the years to this that actually works surprisingly well for first time testing/tinkering..
Where can you buy that white foam board in the USA at a store? I heard some say Home Depot or Lowes. I tried both of those places, as well as Ace Hardware, Michael's, & Hobby Lobby and nothing.. I would love to be able to build planes and stuff to mess around with the foam board.. Especially since I don't have a 3D printer right now, but im waiting to actually look into the 3D printers and do some Research and see what Brand/Model and Type of 3D Printer to even get in the first place lol..
Anyone have any recommendations for a 3D printer thats good for a main first 3d printer, and is maybe upgradeable over time to make it even better and be able to use all the popular material types, baseplate's, Printer Heads, etc..
make a jelly fish out of that hovering white plane thing
@letsflyrc was definitely a charlotte hornets fan growing up
i dont understand why it doesnt spin. Isnt that the whole reason why a helicopter has to have a tail-rotor?
The veins rotate to compensate
POV: Inventing the helicopter.
A helicopter is a multirotor. This has one rotor.
Wow 🤯
I wonder if dRehmFlight would work better for this than betaflight
Great Project Sean as Always. I think you should really challange yourself an Build a INAV Tri-EDF thrust-Vectored Plane-Drone an Let Bubby oder Vanover try to rip it and see what they can pull off. Essential RC has covered the bulid process of Dietmar Metz and his "Star Wars TRI-JET Demonstration" check it out. Ich would love to See a FPV version of that on Rotor Riot
I did something very similar and smaller, but it will not break like that and is inherently stable..
Issa Unicopter🥴
😅 that is a awesome build
That’s betaflight?! See many ardupilot mono builds. I’m going to build one :)
I did build one with ardupilot it does fly well, yaw and all. Just need better turning…
do you think you could stick it on the back of a plane?
They already do that. It's called thrust vectoring. Sometimes the whole motor pivots. It's pretty cool.
Why the battery isn't at the bottom?
Seems clearly top heavy to me
With one big rotor, you would think it can be made quieter
Hey have you heard of airhogs
I’d say it’s more a 3D plane with just a tail than a helicopter.
The white one looks like a flying squid