Movie Science: Arrival
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- Опубліковано 23 лис 2016
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Arrival has landed in theaters and is a box office hit - but does the science translate? We asked some REAL scientists to find out!
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That Paradox joke was great! Thank you Dr. Clifford V. Johnson.
i didn't get it.
+Vaibhav Gupta "pair of docs" c'mon, son lol
Paradox - pair of docs.
I'm a fun Doctor. lol
Irvin Jimenez ok. thanks.
I love this series. The professor is so much fun and I actually learn new things (whoa)
I could listen to the professor talk about movie stuff for hours!
okashi10 agree. love this as well
okashi10 He's such a good laugh!
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The great thing is that the professor not only knows about science, he also knows about movies. The bourne reference was hilarious...! Give him his own show, now!
I could listen to this scientist for hours. He seems so kind.
Not to mention patient.
Say: Doctor Clifford V Johnson is the best Screen Junkies guest.
clifford v johnson: dawn of science
"Sorry cut price Bourne!"
Whoa there Doc Savage
That one killed me XDD
SPOILERS: I think one big part that people temd to have missed out from the ending is that the Chinese general (in the future) has also learned to experience time the same way she does. Therefore he already knows what she told him in the past and that what she told him was from his future self. He's closing the loop as they are both living the same two moments at the same "time".
Obviously. This movie was very straight forward.
I'm pretty sure when the Chinese general gives his number to her, he doesn't know why it is important, but was told it was, so he did it. (Just making sure you know this). Could be wrong, Wikipedia isn't always right.
Frederic Beaudet thats why it was referred to as a weapon by the chinese and why his wife dying words were important. War doesnt have winners, only widows
A part that you seem to have missed is the general telling her that he doesn't understand how her brain works. From that I assumed that he didn't posses the same ability, even though it was my first thought also at the beginning of that scene.
make more of the Movie Sciences, they're great.
Maybe Passengers will be the next one
Passengers, Arrival, Girl on a Train... is there a theme here?
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This guy had some fire jokes on Jeremy Renner!
absolutely love this show. the doctor is fun and all, clever. make more of those, make it a weekly show with hal and clifford:D
Your videos with Dr Clifford V. Johnson are the best. He's really cool and interesting. More please!
This guy should had his own channel making series, movies and video games science reviews!
This film was amazing. Among the best of this year.
Max Barr I second this!
Zac what's your first
Batman I meant I second the statement
I found it rather silly and plodding to be honest, and the 'twist ending' struck me as totally unearned and lame. It steps all over its own toes a lot too; like how the movie makes it absolutely clear early on in its run that these creatures DO NOT communicate through sound, but then in the end her understanding of their VISUAL language allows them to suddenly understand spoken English, and have a goofily subtitled verbal conversation?! They made NO EFFORT to teach the aliens verbal English, and they obviously didn't know it in the beginning.
And the 'big twist ending' wholly depended on the main character both A.) same-facing her way through every 'future-dream' so the audience is given absolutely no hint whatsoever that these are completely foreign images/scenarios and not an old memory, and B.) completely failing to mention to anyone at all that, during her first-contact experience with friggen aliens from another world, that strange images/memories are finding their way into her brain... something you'd think you'd MAAYYYBEEE wanna mention to your team, as the head of scientific examination of an alien species with strange powers.
And barring all that, the protagonist fast-forwarding into the future to guarantee a happy ending before the movie is even over is not my idea of a cool twist, it's my idea of an insanely anticlimactic finish.
Kershmey Baker Big twist? Did I miss something? What big twist?
I love it when Ben Carson comes on Screen Junkies.
HoustonProductions1 Racist pigs. I see a brilliant & eloquent scientist. You see a color and that is all. Fucktards.
If you guys do a sci-fi movie fights, please bring Dr. Johnson to fight.
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LAnimeMaster he'd crush the fight! Unless...unless they brought in Neil Degrasse Tyson and Michio Kaku as well. Scientists movie fight!
The professor is so knowledgeable. He explains everything so clearly and in ways we can understand as non-scientists.
I dare you to do movie science Doctor strange!
Yes lets see some heads explode
MatPAt already did, look up Film Theory
The God Emperor nah I want it on this channel wtf is a matpat
The one time they finally do something non-comic book related... and you want them to do comic books again :P
Geo Vice an UA-camr that has a very science-oriented channel about movies (got famous doing this with games) called FilmTheory
This scientist is amazing. Intelligent, and not smug about it. I could listen to this guy talk for hours.
Dr. Clifford V. Johnson doesn't seem to have a youtube channel. He needs one. I will subscribed. If he is talking, I am listening.
HE'S BACK!
That movie looks so good
Charles Dickens you're too kind.
It was better than I expected, and after seeing the 93% of critics and 86% of user score on rotten tomatoes I had pretty high expectations. The time travel stuff took me by surprise though, so I wish
MAJOR SPOILER ALERT BELOW
I would have paid more attention to the flashbacks, because later in the movie it was revealed that they were actually flash forwards
What's more scientifically impossible in life is your BluRay of The Happening on the shelf!
lol he's got Twilight too
daredevil too
Dont trust them on what is good and not good, their opinion is flawed by their own biases. Just enjoy the opinion and see if they saw something you didnt.
Tarn, who said they liked it? It's just for decoration.
So we shouldn't listen to anything you, or anyone else says because your opinions are flawed by your own biases?
I really like these videos but....they have twilight on the shelf in the background, next to matrix, fast five, the happening.....I just can't. I cant
I think it's titles of every honest trailer they have done, not cos they like twilight (I think anyway)
whats wrong with the matrix?!
Good thing Zack Snyder wasn't there. Otherwise those pearls would have been bouncing all over the sidewalk
The jist I got from the movie is that everything is in fact predetermined from our perspective of a linear time line, but those predetermined events are shaped by the people who make them happen.
Michael Burch I'm not sure of I completely agree with that. in the movie she saw the love that she would have for both her husband and daughter even though she would lose them both. I think she thought that she wanted to experience those moments in actuality. Therefore, she didn't interfere with her timeline.
The movie doesn't really divulge into the whole "no matter how you choose to go about this situation you'll still end up here."
Michael Burch yeah the movie had a lot to say. Life being predetermined is reality but her character emphasized that this would not interfere with her enjoying every second of it. Basically the higher point is that life happens and may sometimes be a bitch but you shouldn't let that stop you from enjoying it. Knowing what will happen should not diminish our journey and experience. We all know we will all one day die and we know our loved ones will too but that shouldn't stop us from loving them
Clifford V. Johnson for Movie Fights!
That scientist seems pretty cool. I like him. He made me love even MORE what I see as the best movie of the year with Park Chan-wook's The Handmaiden.
It makes perfect sense that the aliens wouldn't comprehend algebra or any of our mathematics because they do not experience time in a linear fashion, and all of our math is procedural, step by step processes. They would just see a jumble of numbers and symbols all at once, not a series of instructions.
Nick Moore Plus, they'd already know the result they were looking for...
At least they communicate in physics, because that's like very obvious. Atoms, particles, gravity, elements, and even stars and galaxies. These are primary in understanding of reality and it's universal, at least to our universe. Might be different symbols and solutions as our math but atoms will always be atoms.
If there is anything true in this world/universe or entirety of creation, that is math, although we cannot comprehend dimensions beyond the third dimension, we can only think about it
Chiccian Montano That's not how mathematics work, though. A prime number will be a prime number, regardless of how you write it. Same with constants like e or π. Maths are the true universal language, and what we'd realistically use as a rosetta stone (plus, as _archmad_ said, physical values like the charge of the electron and whatnot) if we ever had to learn to communicate with intelligent aliens.
Rico de guzman _Eh_, I know _I_ can't visualise higher dimensional spaces, but professional mathematicians seem to enjoy figuring out ways to pack spheres in n dimensions and whatnot, so I'm sure at least a few of them have managed to twist their brains around visualising them...
Saw Arrival and it was 'O-K' tbh, the focus on linguistic's and the ability to transcend time was unique but I felt they put so much focus on those two particular points they kind of dropped the ball on everything else.
The Squidbilly aliens were cool though.
Clifford V. Johnson is the coolest name
Great segment, I'd love to see Movie Science: Primer 👏
0:26 Learn me?
0:35 Esteemed pleasure?
It's ok Hal, we know what you meant.
I think he says that on purpose.
Mary Löhe Hopefully, but I just can't tell.
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I'm a linguist and I hadn't really heard much about Arrival other than it being a typical 'alien encounter' movie. After watching this, I'm now excited to see my discipline represented on screen. So often we're incorrectly portrayed as 'people who speak other languages'. Thanks Screen Junkies for highlighting how this movie is trying something different and pointing me towards it! Also, Dr Clifford V. Johnson is a great guest.
Language and especially writing, absolutely re-wire the brain. I'll give you an example, Mandarin and Cantonese spoken language as well as the Chinese writing system both require different parts of the brain than just the speech centers. The spoken language uses tones to change the meaning of the words and people that speak and understand it are more sensitive to pitch and therefor music. And reading and writing in Chinese deals with characters which represent ideas, not sounds. So a single character can not only express an entire thought all by itself, but the context in which its used can also change it's meaning. So contrast that with an English speaker that uses tones to convey emotion and subtext instead of meaning, and a written alphabet that represents sounds instead of ideas. Granted, when you string those letters into words, the meaning comes out but a word is a word, and open to a different interpretation than an idea. That isn't to say that other languages like English don't have their own sub-text and hidden meanings conveyed by phrasing and word choices, but they are not done in the same way. For instance you can say "He fell off the bike" and that doesn't imply blame anywhere, and you can also say "He accidentally fell off the bike" and that implies it was the persons fault for falling. A subtle distinction. They both say essentially the same thing, but one implies blame or fault and there are many other kinds of subtext in phrasing that can make simple statements emotionally charged. In fact as a native English speaker it can be difficult to say anything using neutral language because you can express something simply the way it is, but your subconscious choice of words and phrasing make it difficult to hide your opinion about the things which you are discussing.
CUT-PRICE BOURNE LMAO GOT 'EM
"Oh no, mother's pearls!" was very funny : ) This Dr. Clifford V. Johnson is such a champ. Super intelligent, well spoken, great sense of humor, a good sport, thinks quickly on his feet, well put together!
The doc cracking up at 2:47 :)
love this guy..wish they had him talk about dr strange
he didnt come to bargain
Patrick Kent wouldn't he just say we don't know about any of this
Patrick Kent Doctor Strange is about magic not science so there is no point to debate the science
Patrick Kent Doctor Strange is about manipulating magic not science so there is not point on debating it
Marvelfan616 actually its a little science to it. They explain that magic is the mabipulation of energy from other dimensions to warp reality.
"The cut-price Bourne"
The doctor is savage af lol.
LOL I love the interviewer
"If you're not married to the idea of spacetime-"
"We're going steady"
I love this series.
I can appreciate how Hal interviews Dr. Johnson. They can joke and banter but it's obvious Hal has respect for this guy and his profession. Some interviewers are so caught up in asking THEIR questions and THEIR jokes that they overshadow the guest and you don't hear enough of the guest. I enjoyed this though, Good job Hal!
"Nugget"
the thing about the language changing your brain and relationship to the world per each language. Game of Thrones gives us a GREAT example of this with danaerys. when she speaks dothraki, she's rough, hostile and itching for a fight. when she speaks valyrian, she's more aristocratic. when she speaks common/English, it depends on who she's talking with, but she keeps the headspace of her audience.
Clifford v Johnson: Dawn of Science :P
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Great interview. I think your guest got a couple of things wrong tho'. They DID understand prime numbers. In fact it was portrayed exactly as he suggested it should be; namely, the mutual understanding of prime numbers didn't get them very far (as in the short term it would't). And they said it appeared that the aliens didn't understand the algebra, not that they definitely did not, and it was duly noted that that seemed very strange. It was a puzzle they didn't get the chance to examine.
if you shake the pearls getting it tangled it's a ball of wibbly wobbly timey whimy stuff
That was a really good movie, the twist that everything we saw with her child was not the past but the future was brilliant! I want to rewatch the movie now and look at the flashfowards again to see what they told her earlier in the film before we found this out.
You guys really need to make a full series of this. #ReviveMovieScience
lol should have the doc on more! great segment
well, no linguists nowadays seriously discuss the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis anymore. At least in its strong reading the idea that the language we speak determines the way we think has generally been rejected.
To be fair, they didn't really skip over the math stuff. They said that the aliens didn't understand algebra but understood insanely more complex concepts. Could be that they are just able to instictually do it either really thinking or understanding it.
This was MUCH better than the "Science vs Cinema" YT presentation where the host tried to get chummy with the uneducated actors and then went real soft on the fake science in the movie. I enjoyed Dr. Johnson's intelligence and honesty (however, there is no real evidence for cyclic time).
I miss these episodes, wish they would do more movie science
Lol Hal and Dr. Clifford V. Johnson have such a bromance ❤️
Please burn the movie "the happening" in the dvd wall O.o
aha oke ty
In the Predestination Paradox, thee is only ONE timeline. Your necklace of pearls is already made. We have three illusion of free will but ultimately what will happen, WILL HAPPEN. The beauty of this movie is she unlocks the equation that keeps us bound to the present, so her consciousness can move to different times of her life, allowing her to get information she needed then that she would only learn years later, and slowing her to be reminded of things that hadn't happened yet. The Predestination Theory gets rid of alternate timeline theories, but this movie does introduce a new kind of paradox, called the Bootstrap Paradox. Basically if she sent her consciousness forward in time to learn what she said to the guy, she hadn't said it until he reminded her of it, years later, so where did he original information come from? Idk I just thought I'd put out some info I knew on the subject... love this movie, one of the best of the year! :)
This guy's the best. Yeah science!
Just came across this interview and really appreciated the discussion of one of my favorite films. Thanks!
I really enjoy the many series Screen Junkies has done with Dr. Clifford V. Johnson. It is always informative and makes talking science and physics captivating. Plus, he knows how to discuss different films from an intersting perspective.
I'm really surprised they watched a movie that wasn't based on a comic book or game or some cash grab sequel CG garbage
Sudev Sen well you don't watch screen junkies show enough to know what they watch
Well 1. They usually just talk about the comic book - cash grab sequel movies because those are 90% of the popular movies nowadays, and 2. They watch a lot of smaller films, you can tell the people there have lots of knowledge about less well known films by little comments in movie fights.
that arrival advertisement at the beginning of this video was on point
I love Clifford. I could listen to that voice all day
does the doctor's theory about time being a string of pearls that can get all tangled in places explain deja vu? If you forsee an event from the future, and you later find it to be true, does that mean that that moment, and the moment that you first forsaw it, overlapped?
Dr Cliff throwing shade at Jeremy Renner! Wow!
This was really good - even though a movie like Arrival doesn't just come out every month (or year) please do more of these!
I remember that scientist from old episodes of the Universe on History Channel. Good to see him again!!
This Dr could have his own show where he talks about movies. You should bring him back more often. Very likeable.
Why would the aliens being able to change gravity be so unbelievable? We manipulate electromagnetism well, and the strong force to an extent, it is pretty logical to believe an alien race more advanced than us might have learned to manipulate gravity.
He has a point on the math part and ian though
His talk about time was good too
And he has a point about the language part
Still an amazing movie.
he just mentioned it , its simply mass. electromagnetic forces are very, very very strong! gravity is very very weak. It might be possible for alien species to manipulate gravity, but they cant break the fact, taht you need alot of mass. For example they could use black holes for something advanced or planets etc, but manipulating gravity on the micro level without mass is simply impossible.
Fayt because gravity is simple, the greater the mass you have, the stronger your gravity will be. That spaceship simply couldn't weigh more than the planet earth, if it does, by showing up in the solar system, it could probably derail the planets from their original orbits.
Well, not if sometime in the future we discover that gravity is in fact transferred around by gravitons.
Then we would only need to change the pathways of gravitons so that they transfer gravity in other directions, just like we do with electrons.
Congran Guo +Captn Maico
Gotcha. That makes sense.
Is there nothing we know of that could get around that, hypothetically? No way to produce artificial gravity without having loads of mass?
Dr. Johnson is just the best. Science isn't my strong suit, but I'd love to be in this guys class. Love seeing this series being posted.
this movie was great until they revealed that by thinking differently you can apparently destroy the concept of linear time / cause and effect. you'd think she would at least use her paradoxical superpower for something good like using her newly formed Chinese friendship to use CRISPR on her eggs to edit out that genetic disease. and if that couldn't be done, she could have at least not condemned a teenage girl to death and ruined that guy's life in a way that he didn't consent to.
The point of the movie was that even though she knew that if she had a daughter the daughter would die young, it was still better than never having a daughter at all.
Basically it's better to have good stuff with some bad consequences than nothing at all.
I didn't make this up, I got this of Wikipedia lol so I'm not gonna debate philosophy.
Also, maybe she did use her superpower for something good, but it wouldn't fit with the rest of the movie.
Also, when did it say his life was ruined? I may have missed it.
Lastly, "destroy the concept of linear time" probably isn't the best was to put what happened, because although technically correct, it's more of adding "tangled" time.
And about the "thinking different changes linear time", thing, the scientist in this video explained how it's not crazy. Maybe you should rewatch that part. it's like how I can say "If you heat a rocket to 78 degrees it will be fine", which I'm very confident is true, even though I don't know much at all about rockets.
Ignore my example, it's hot
I didn't mean to press done lol, I typed hor and it autocorrected it to hot. I meant to say horrible
She should have consulted with him but tbh he didn't see what she did. In the end she felt just knowing her daughter was worth it, it's a very difficult decision. And the "condemning a teenage girl to death" thing is perspective. Would you rather live an amazing life for a short time or just never exist? Animals don't live very long but does that mean they are simply better off not existing in the first place?
Very interesting video
Loved it!!!
Movie science are my favorite screenjunkies videos! :D
I'm going to call him Dr. Savage - "sorry cut-price Bourne" 😂
When he said "Contact" 1997, was a newer move, made me realize how quick time passes by...
I'm thankful for November being the saving grace of the cinematic year 2016.
First time in my life I stopped at "Warning: Spoilers ahead".
Thanks for making this first, non-spoilery part.
Wibbly wobbly, timey whimey.
Love these segments with Clifford. please do more! 😆
Guys, read the original short story. The movie diluted tons of science/linguistics from the original story and added military/world invasion plotline. The story explained why their writing is circular, their concept of time, the idea of destiny, etc. Along with that, in the original story, the physicists exchange some mathematical details with the aliens too.
Thanks for having a real scientist comment on the film. I need to watch Arrival again.
Love when you all have the Doc on the show. Great review. Loved the film as well.
love it when you bring this guy on. Happy Thanksgiving Screenjunkies
Professor Johnson is awesome. It would have been great if they also brought in a Linguist. ARRIVAL exceeded what INTERSTELLAR tried to do in the 3rd act.
I loved Arrival and Johnson is just the best guest, please invite him again =)
Arrival might just be my favorite movie of the year
Reasons I watched Arrival:
#1 - I heard it was good
#2 - So I could watch this video
Dr. Johnson needs his own show called "Nuggets of science"
I loved the explanations
You da man Clifford!
Movie Science is by far my favorite part of Screen Junkies. Love it!
10:42 Katya Zamolodchikova!!
why did she made her daughter undergo chemotherapy if she knew that her daughter was going to die anyway.
seventhousen gricheye To prolong her time probably.
Lucy Fe but she would be bedridden and suffering.
Actually, he's incorrect on one point. We DON'T know if math is universal. Aliens will surely have math, but we have no idea if OUR FORM of mathematics is the only way to construct such a system.
I think his point is that mathematics is considered by some the purest science. In our universe 1+1 always will be 2. xkcd.com/435/
duckonmyquack But WE DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW IF THAT'S ACTUALLY TRUE is my point. It's a very romantic idea, but there's no actual evidence that our way of doing math is the one, true way of doing math.
Well, along the same lines that we don't "actually know" that dinosaurs walked the earth, or that how old the universe is, or that older things are buried deeper in the dirt than newer things. We find evidence that these things are true and through repeated testing find that they have been consistently constant. There is no reason based on what we have found in the universe to assume the derivative of 2x on Mars or next to Alpha Centari will be anything but 2. Math is considered pure because we have no reason to believe that it has or ever will change. Physics has to deal with changing variables, math does not. If you're looking for God's language, it's math. Yes, that's romantic, but we have never seen an indication that it isn't true.
William King No, there is LITERALLY NO EVIDENCE that this is the case.
I'm curious if I'm misunderstanding you. What do you mean when you talk about "our form of mathematics" vs. Alien math?
What I mean is that numbers are entirely theoretical as it is. There is not a 1 held in a vault that defines what 1 is (which is the way measurements work). 1 is an idea of an amount (1 meter, 1 apple, 1 day off work) and that amount correlates to other amounts. Math boils down to "how many apples do you have if I give you 2 apples" the answer being 1+2=3. An alien civilization might write that differently, but they have to have an understanding of what an amount is. Especially in the case of this video where he means that no alien civilization could build a spaceship without an understanding of 1+x=2, x=1.
Great video hal!
I love when Dr Clifford V. Johnson shows up!
Gotta bring back Clifford, he's better than that other guy, Kyle on that other channel...
Do I hear a London accent?
I enjoy them both.
Clifford seems less closed minded,
That's a win in my book
I think it's a mid-Atlantic accent
Listen to the vowels
Love Dr. Clifford V Johnson! Great sense of humor and so insightful.
When it suddenly turned into a brief Jeremy Renner roast... lmao
Drink every time you hear the word nugget (: