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Ep 38 | Everything you wanted to know about life on a boat, but were too scared to ask!
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- Опубліковано 13 сер 2024
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It's been a fairly disastrous week as my mac has died and lockdown in Italy means I can't get it fixed. This was edited on my extreeeemely slow ancient back-up computer so apologies that it's a bit rough around the edges!
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I was wondering about the editing too. The show feels like a professional production like I would expect from the BBC. Quite good, very enjoyable.
I must try a Bohemian moor one of these days🙂
If you're coming north from the Caribbean in your future travels, let me recommend the Great Lakes as a wildly underrated cruising destination. The Thousand Islands are famous, but the North Channel of Lake Huron, the Apostle Islands, and many other nooks and crannies, are all truly first class cruising grounds, and a great place to hide from hurricane season.
Safety videos are a great idea. Your filming and documentary skills could make that a big hit if done like a real life scenario.
As a lifelong resident of the great state of Kentucky I would like to invite you to visit so that you might familiarize your good selves with the greatest spirit ever distilled. Bourbon is Kentucky and Kentucky is bourbon. See y’all soon.
It'll take us a few years, but we'll get there!
MOB strategy? If you threw them overboard in the first place, that spare anchor will float perfectly well !!
Always like your videos, but a bugbear is...
A Veggie does not eat fish...it just confuses people to call yourself something you're not. It does indicate that maybe one day you will be...🤔
Covid passports will not allow travel, as you can still be infectious after the jab etc. The moving goalposts have little to do with public health.
Good luck and I hope you get to travel as we're hoping to do the same in a year's time. 🍀🙏
Thank you once again Steve and Judy for such an inspiring video! It is incredibly kind, generous and I think brave of you to put your lives out there for us to aspire to. My wife, however would still like more details on how she can put me overboard and get away with it!
I am glad to see you are maintaining a sense of humor. Sorry to hear that Italy is locked down again. Your doing a great job of keeping things going. I really like the Team O life vests.
Another brilliant Q&A Steven and Judy.
I really look forward to seeing all your new vlogs.
Very informative as usual brilliant.
Thank you 👌👌👏👏🌹🌹
Real Ale!! Yes, now you're talking...
I'm actually a CAMRA Life Member, and having moved to Perth (WA) some 15 years ago, I really miss the real McCoy beer.
Stay safe. Arvind.
We still have EU health care with the new GHIC card which you can apply for . It’s the new deal for free or discounted health care in the EU . Very enjoyable video
Thanks Dave we will look into it back in Blighty next week.
As redwine "frizzante" we drink only Barbera from Piemonte, Lambrusco from Emilia Romagna and Gutturnio from Piacenza (Emilia Romagna as well) It's good for aperitivo, Labrusco+parmigiano reggiano+ prosciutto crudo di parma + salame + tigelle (fried bread) ;) and then you feel good! ;)
What an unexpectedly lovely episode full of interesting stories, and ever so nice to see the humor and interaction between the two of you :)
lovely video guys ! Thanks for sharing and answering all the questions. Hope to see you in the USA one day come visit us in Naples Florida!
Lots of frizzy wine?? Nothing wrong with a nice Lambrusco :)
Sweety, fish is an animal. I was also eating fish but now I see, that at that time, I was not vegetarian (peschetarian? ... I don't know the term).
Anyway, I am not trying to say that you should not eat fish. Not at all. If you like them and they are good for you, go and enjoy them! Love your videos. You are a great couple! :)
Check out the Delos videos they have lithium batteries installed a few years ago .they also have videos of provisioning for long passages
Glad to hear your comments on sponsorship etc. I had noted you had not commented last week. So a relief that you discussed this.
Really well put together.
I have the Ultra for at least 6 years now with the best Cromox.
All best
It's difficult to comment because we do get discounts, but it's discounts on everything so it's a level playing field! I use Ben from Pro Marine on most things I order because he gives good advice, gets good prices and packages everything I need up together and gets it out to me. He also gives me trade prices, but I would say he was good even if he didn't!
PS we were given the EcoFlow Delta for testing, but I made that very clear in the Video, they got no special treatment!
@@svfairisle Please I must have seen another video and someone made a comment..it's clear you both work very hard at it. I use the word work and thus I should now contribute to acknowledge it.
Do keep well and stay safe..fair winds soon for fair isle. A
What a terrific episode. Fascinating and very interesting. Thanks!
Hearing about the Scilly Isles always makes me wonder where the Scerious Isles are.
North Cyprus has up to 6 months stay for yachts pre Covid.
Yes I missed out Cyprus, just wasn't in my head as we're not looking to go there this season (maybe next) As far as I aware both Greek and Turkish side are non Schengen, which is good for us but didn't know they allowed a 6 month stay (is that without a visa or temp. residency etc?) most countries are only 3 months as a tourist.
@@svfairisle I've only ever flown in to North Cyprus but a visa for UK passport holders is as simple as filling out a form (about 3 lines) then handing it over with your passport at customs, answering a couple of questions, then walking through. Entry by yacht shouldn't be much more difficult.
SV UMA just finished an excellent water maker!
Cheers
That’s always the problem with bottled spirits. Heavy and cumbersome then they evaporate. Ever considered a small keg? ;)
Good episode ! Can’t wait to get back to our boat in Rhodes 👍
It looks like a beautiful spring day in Venice.
When there's no wind it's lovely, chilly wind off the mountains at times.
I like the easy access tools!
Separate areas (after cabin) handy when you want to throw your bitter half overboard?
you do not necessarily need a generator for A/C. If you have a decent sized power system (batteries, invertors, regens like solar etc) then you can get a soft start, as usually it is the extra peak of starting the A/C that most systems can not handle. A soft start can avoid that issue. Lots of people have done this, both on land like off grid, as well as on the sea. They Wynn's do not use a generator to run their A/C, although think they do have one for like their hooka system. And ofc with the cat they have, they can have lot more solar, but they use a soft start for those times when they do use A/C. Can likely be found on their website or if can manage to find actual vlog they did of it couple years ago.
I think its very difficult to have enough watt hours in the bank on DC only that you can properly charge without a genny. Yes it 's possible with a cat in the tropics because of the amount of solar that you can have on board, but on a monohull it's marginal at best. Maybe one cabin? I'm thinking of having a high powered separate bank that can have auxiliary solar & 12 volt charging like the Ecoflow (might need something more powerful?) I'll experiment!
@@svfairisle Yes it is trickier with a mono due to lack of enough regen and topside solar panel space. The two biggest issues are not having enough power for that peak initial A/C start. Solved in many instances by having an auto start if you have a decent sized battery bank to begin with. And having enough watt hours. Not as easily solved.
I have noticed some only use A/C when on shore power. Others by simply only using A/C sparingly. Such as it appears the Wynn's do not use their A/C much. Get the impression they mostly use it in the evening to cool the place down so can get to sleep which would yes be just the one cabin / hull .. but I could be wrong. They do typically motor around quite a bit as well, likely as you do with your heavy displacement boat. So hard to tell with just vlog's which only show small portion of their life. And ofc others use a genny. Which again the Wynn's do have as a back up if they ever really need, but think with their larger solar panel bank along with sparing use of their higher powered devices, they can get away without using the genny most of the time. They also love to cook with their induction stove top as well, and do have a rather large battery lithium bank too. The problem becomes a lot tougher without having a battery bank that can not supply that higher power draw such as lithiums typically can provide. I would never even consider it w/out that higher draw battery bank.
You will know your power usage more then anyone else such as me. And so can answer about the watt hours better than I ever can and the answering the second most common issue. Just wanted to make sure you were aware about a soft start and being able to supply that peak power for short periods of time if that was the only issue you are able to get down too.
Yes thanks, I've not really looked into air con as I've always written it off as needing too many Watt hours, but with modern batteries and solar who knows, some small installation may be viable. So good to know about soft start. Actually another company producing lithium battery / inverter storage units (i hesitate in calling them generators) has contacted me asking if I want to test theirs. This is twice as powerful as the Ecoflow so might even support a small ac unit, we will see.
A really interesting episode. We bought Duncan Wells MOB Lifesavers for our lifejackets, they have floating dyneema lines with handles that float free if someone (wearing a lifejacket) falls in - just makes it much easier to hook with the boathook and attach a line from the boat. Then ALL you have to do is get someone back onboard - then you realise that a bucket & a fender is a breeze and nothing like real life!!
People are really becoming stupid with this whole vaccination...why not rather focus on how people can keep there jobs and earn an income...otherwise people will eventually just die of hunger. Live WITH this as we living with flu and aids and ebola and sars etc etc
@@DB-ot2cr flu and aids and ebola and sars combined have not killed as many people in a year as Covid has .
I think sponsorship by a real-ale company would be a fine idea. Perhaps that should eclipse the watermaker & lithium batteries!
Krug would be a great sponsor and I'm sure you wouldn't have a problem recommending them
You are totally correct! Excellent idea
@@judyaslett2 I'm happy to help with the sampling
That camera rig is HUGE The salt air will kill it soon enough.
Turkey is awesome. Look forward to your visit. You'll love it. You'll inevitably visit Bozburun. Osman's restaurant just off the quay is awesome. ;)
Bourbon... "Where's the rest of this moose?" An awesome explanation of the American whiskey like drink.
Osmans is awesome; favourite bar in one of our favourite spots in Turkey
Thanks for sharing all your thoughts
Oh you don't want all our thoughts Hans!
@@svfairisle I can understand that!
Yes, the Bay of Biscay. A rough go.
You were talking about keeping food on board. Would you consider a food vacume sealer ? Even outside the fridge you are able to keep fresh food for a very long time. Very good video as usual ! Regards from Down Under
We've thought about that several times, must try it.
I build RC model boats for a hobby and Fair Isle would be a beautiful model. Beautiful 👌🌹💖
Please stay safe and healthy. 👍🌹💖
Love your lifestyle. BTW what goes best with gin............another one of course! 😂👍
WINDTRE is the SIM I use in Italy 100gb @€7 a month. They often do deals for existing customers for €1 a month (additional 100gb). Great reception in Sicilia using 4g lte.
Yes we have 2! cheapest data we've found, but the coverage seems to be sketchy here. Mostly great but sometimes speed goes right down or stops. We bought another card after the first started being very slow because we thought maybe they throttle the speed after you use a certain amount (most do) but they are both on and off, frustrating!
I know this is a controversial topic but having sailed for decades I don’t understand the the attraction for getting the most expensive water maker money can buy. The are Unnecessarily complicated, use a load of proprietary hard to make parts and the just don’t pencil out.
Simple, Non automated, DC with high-quality membranes and filters will get the job done more reliably.
Why, because you can avoid proprietary parts you can buy replacement parts available and readily found in the part of the world that you are sailing. And it’s much more practical to carry lots of spares simply because they’re less expensive. You can also design them to fit into the most unlikely places.
Absolutely, best doesn't always mean most expensive and availability of parts world wide is a very good point.
Regarding provisioning for bluewater cruising, Beth Leonard's book "The Voyager's Handbook" was our 'bible' when we started 20 years ago. Still good value.
Just ordered it!
I can really relate to your adaptability to what ever situation you place yourself in. Very good points which aren't mentioned by many people. It shows happiness is how you respond to your environment. It's internal not necessarily external (with the normal exceptions of course!)
People. Very important that whatever your circumstances you keep in contact with loved ones
Oh yes - look at UMA and ryan and Sophie - both did watermakers - one diy, one spectra
Was wondering if/when you would get around to the Bow & Stern rode drums
It was in view several times
Thanks 👍
My wife and I have a similar approach. If we decide we need something, we get the best reasonable version of that something. We find it worth the cost to get better quality to avoid having to have to replace it mire often.
My wife and I find communication is the key.
Cutting grass is my thing to do that let's me think.
I like a long keel boat.
Clark, you'll never have to stop mowing the grass. It's just downunder on a boat 👍. BTW, wasn't ment to be an Australian joke. ☺
Greetings from New Zealand. We look at the world, parts of which are facing their third wave and lock down (yet again) and conclude we are very lucky. Hopefully you can move a bit more freely this (your) summer. I love watching your channel - very interesting observations and comments.
Kia Kaha (Stay strong)
Enjoy lovely New Zealand, we did look longingly at the footage of the Americas cup, not because of the amazing sailing but more in wonder at the crowds on the shore... and no masks! weird!!
If you eat fish, which are animals, you are a pescatarian. Useful and interesting film, many thanks.
You are right of course
I presume because you store things like your vice in a locker in the cabin sole you never get any salt water in the cabin.
No. Something VERY serious would have to happen for us to get salt water in the upper bilge.
Really enjoyed this and one of the questions, or actually linked topics making it two is - The issue of the centre cockpit which was answered by an old skipper years ago when I first started sailing. He said the the beauty of a centre cockpit boat was that sailing with one's wife as crew can from time to time result in (unintended) disagreements and in those circumstances it was great to have two separate spaces to retire to whilst one waited for normality to resume! Sadly I did not heed his advise but so far so good...
Interesting views on boat sizes and lay outs, what do you think about deck saloon layouts like the Sirius 40DS?
I'm sure the Sirius would make a fine coastal boat. The windows in those sort of deck saloons are just too big for my liking, you'ld be swamped pretty quick if one gave in. It's obviously made as a bit of a marina queen though, you can't have a linear galley on any boat you want to go actually go to sea in. Not if you want to eat anyway! I think they have the tilting wheel pedestal don't they? might be a neat idea, beats twin wheels. But why stop the coach roof at the companionway door? Needs to extend into the cockpit to give some shelter.
I am curious what drones you use. I will be getting one this summer ostensively for taking shots of the Finnish archipeligo and our beautiful yacht. Any thoughts on drones on yachts would be very much appreciated. BTW your photography is second to none (unabashed compliments :-) especially the dropne shots.
Our record with drones has been poor, especially as I've been flying them professionally from before DJI even existed! I used to build them for broadcast work & I purchased a waterproof (Swellpro) drone before we set off & it's been terrible! Didn't work most of the time and doesn't give great pictures. We then got an old DJI phantom but first flight it auto landed in the sea 100yards behind the boat! faulty battery I think. I now have a little Mavic Air which seems excellent. i have to get/make some sort of handle for hand catching from the boat. It isn't powerful enough for high winds but it's very controllable and gives great pics. The Mavic pro would be better, more powerful with better pics, so if this one works out well I'll try and pick up a second hand one. Hoping to finally get some really good drone shots this season.
@@svfairisle Gosh, thanks for the very quick response. I was looking at the DJI Air and the Mavic Pro, but I am not sure purely because of the new EU (& UK) rules on flying drones and weights (the 500gm threshold). I also think I may need some practice on flying one too, but we shall see. I did notice your rather damning comment on the waterproof drone and I think you said that you had got through a couple already. A friend of mine last year purchased a new $$$$ drone and ignored the low battery warning only to see it land in the sea about 1/2 mile away. I wonder if landing on a moving yacht is a problem? You cannot use the "return home" gps based function so I guess you have to just be a bit skilled. Anyway, thanks for your help on this and thanks for the videos, they are excellent.
Thanks guys; another very interesting - and personal - look at the live-abroad life. Ah, if only... I do have a question though...what are your thoughts on using a lightweight drone (for example, the DJI Mini 2:
Sadly the downlink video from these drones is pretty sketchy. More than a few hundred meters away it's more fuzz than picture. You would have to fly it back and download the file to a computer and I can tell you that takes ages! Best just look at Google Earth!
@@svfairisle Thanks. Although, I would have thought the latest tech - such as 720p/30fps at 8Mbps - should provide a decent real-time view; and that's what I'd be wanting, not just satellite imagery, but a real-time view of the state of the anchorage and whether it's viable (too crowded, too rough). I guess the only way to be sure would be to test; just need to find a "buddy" that already has outlaid the bucks...
The specs are good and getting better all the time. Sadly the antennas and power for the down-link is getting smaller all the time, along with the drones, so they seem to just transmit a good proportion of shash with the lovely 720p pictures!
I seen you are looking at Izmir for a winter destination and I see you are looking to spend the winter in a warm(ish) destination, however, after over 35 years filming in over 80 countries I’d say my time in Izmir, Turkey is in my top 3 coldest locations I have ever visited during winter months. Seriously, the wind chill I experienced is only surpassed by northern Russia and northern Mongolia in my book! Think if you want a milder winter further south, like Kas would be a better option. Cyprus would be even better for a warmer climate but sadly, as a Brit, it’s part of the Schengen zone so probably not an option.
Don't tell Judy!
Cyprus is part of the EU, but not a Schengen Country.
@@evandessel I thought it was in the Schengen zone but it’s still not really an option for UK sailors needing to leave EU countries.
It's only the Schengen zone that counts Gordon, checking into Cyprus (Greek or Turkish side) will stop the Schengen clock as far as I understand it. So exactly the same as spending time in a non EU country like Croatia.
@@svfairisle it’s so confusing Steve. Forgive me if I’m wrong however, I’m Scottish but live in Southern Spain and have Spanish Residence but that only allows me (and my boat as it has been here for 5 years) to stay indefinitely in Spain without a time limit. It doesn’t however allow me the same rights as other EU citizens outside of Spain and I can only visit other EU countries for the usual 90/180 days. Why would visiting Cyprus be different? It might reset the clock for your boats 18 month duration in EU waters but not you as an individual 3rd country national.
Hi again,I may have missed it,but do you have a life raft,flares etc.Ken.
Yes, four man life raft on the stern rail & lots of flares, Epirb etc. Getting tired of replacing out of date flares though, disposing of the old ones is always such a pain. Might start replacing some with LED versions.
Thanks for the very quick and informative response.
Hi guys, thanks for another great informative video. One question about the new EU rules because I'm a little confused, for people as British we can only stay in Schengen countries for 3 months, does the 18 month boat rule to stay in an EU country still apply or am I getting confused. Thanks
3 months for people, 18 months for the boat. It remains to be seen how diligently this will be enforced though. The 18 months thing is to do with paying import tax on the boat which is deemed to be imported if you stay that long, but my father stayed on his boat in Mallorca for 35 years and never got charged!
Why are the poor fish branded a vegatable
lets cross the bay with a low coming in? ;)
Yes well you'ld feel cheated if you went across the bay in a flat calm! I actually spoke to someone recently who said they had perfect weather and stopped for a swim in the middle. He sounded really disappointed!
@@svfairisle Ha ha
Hallo to both of you! I immidiatly became a subscriber, seeing the episode of the biscay, and i admit i already had been hooked up by Hans Christians ,being on my way for getting a Hans Christian for my self. But there are very few in the EU,often times they are in Turkey or the US, and here comes my problem. In the EU you have to get a CE certification immidiately for getting the boat out of customs and getting an assurance as well. How did you get that, as you werde EU member at that time? Do you know anything to resolve that? I once thought i was getting a 43 in Greece, but as i tryed to contact the broker, the owner had decided to bring her to the UK and the put her out of the market. Thank you and carry on your wonderfull channel
Hi Ulrich, I have to admit i have no idea what you mean! As far as I'm aware CE certification is something needed for a commercial product wanting to be sold in Europe. It certainly not ever mentioned by anyone when we bought Fair Isle and I don't believe it has any relevance to a private yacht, as I say I hadn't ever heard it mentioned until you just did. The only issue is usually VAT paid status which was fine for us as Brits when we were in the UK as we just have the VAT paid certificate for when the boat was first purchased (in Germany) and that means it has VAT paid status in Europe. That now doesn't apply to the UK (bizarrely even for a UK purchased boat) if you take a boat out of the UK and back in after 3 years you have to pay VAT again! I know DeValks have a couple of HC's for sale at the moment at their yard in Monnikendam where we bought Fair Isle. Another 48 (but almost like new and therefore expensive, and a 41, not sure of the price)
@@svfairisle Buying a boat built post 1998 in EU would men it would have been ce marked. Interestingly the Recreational Craft Directive was sponsored by UK to get common standards across EU. There are surveyor s who specialise in ensuring a boat passes EU tests..it should be reflected in the price. Always good to have a survey
Is that directive not just something any newly manufactured device should have after 1998? Are people really suggesting this should be retrospectively applied to previous equipment? As I say I've never heard of that at it was not mentioned by the dealer, the surveyor or anyone else when we bought Fair Isle.
@@svfairisle Thank you for your answer, i did not expect to get one. I myself have tried to find out, had the same but unsure thoughts , but i have been warned by professional surveyors und professional delivery captains when i tried buy a shannon yacht in the US. There are certified CE- certifier for that in the US, but expensive and the shannon boatyard did not want certify, as they don't built sailing vessels any more. Regularly the boatbuilders do the CE -Certifying by themselves for their product, not any authority. For Instance CE class A ( Bluewater open ocean waves over 4m and Wind ver force 9, and the amounts of load and persons allowed to fulfill that. Ive heard all of many charter captains with historical wooden boats that they are in danger to loose there ships and business by that issue, al they never can fulfill the requirements necessary for any CE Certifications daily because of the lackt ov fireproof bulkheads and not allowed wonder stairs and much more stuff like that. As far as i know the EU ist still thinking about the but the delivery captains warned me i wouldn't even get the boat out of customs or get insurance because of no CE Classification and then even could not get a regular registration for the boat. Not sure but afraid. I thought your boat hat a german flag before, so it might be possible that you have heard about that from the former owner or broker.
Okay I see what you're saying now. The class A classification is something that is important. All HC's are built to Class A Ocean going standard, but that's been around for years and is a worldwide standard. It the new CE certification that threw me, I've never heard of that. Fair Isle is classified as class A and we do tell the insurance company that. No one has ever questioned it or mentioned any EU standard. Fair Isle actually has some slightly different gelcoat colour around the forehead hatches and I know that is because they changed the standard for Class A to have escape sized hatches in every cabin just as Fair Isle was being finished. So they had to remove the smaller hatches at the last minute and fit bigger ones to comply.
Lekker man lekker
Hi Steve & Judy, before you swap out to lithium batteries this video from Emily & Clark's channel might be of interest. If you haven't already caught up with it. ua-cam.com/video/tAuPfgZgXec/v-deo.html.
Love N your channel and fair sailing.
Hi Judy and Steve
We are interested in how you are managing to get your vaccinations. We are full time liveaboards and left the U.K. 4 years ago. Our understanding is that the NHS is residency-based and we are therefore not eligible, even if we were to go back to the U.K. We are currently in Spain and are not eligible here either, despite having private health insurance! As liveaboards who are not resident in the U.K., how have you managed to maintain eligibility for NHS services? Best wishes, Lyn & Andy
S/V Evanescence
We still have a “home” in the UK living with my mother and we pay tax and NI in the UK. As far as the boat is concerned we do not live in any other country because we are travelling around the world. Is that different from your circumstances?
@@judyaslett2 Hi Judy, our understanding is that tax and NI is not relevant as far as accessing NHS services is concerned - it’s residency that gives you access. I pay tax and and NI in the U.K. (I work for a U.K. company, but remotely). We have a U.K. address, but as we are continuously cruising, we do not meet the residency requirements in the U.K. to access NHS services.
www.angloinfo.com/how-to/uk/healthcare/health-system/eligibility
If you are registered as a resident at your nominal UK address then you should be able to have the vaccine. With us I (Steve) hadn't ever changed my doctor to Cambridge where Judys mother lives so when I went to put the details in on the online Covid system I didn't know my NHS Number (didn't even know there was such a thing) but apparently most people don't so they let you use your postcode. When I put in the Cambridge postcode it didn't like it so I put in our old address postcode where I am still registered with a doctor and it accepted it. You can still pick a vaccination center anywhere in the country as well, I was worried I would have to travel back to Kent where the doctors is. So if you're still registered with a UK doctor you're fine.
@@svfairisle Thanks Steve (and Judy) for your advice and guidance. We are no longer registered with a GP in the UK, so we come unstuck at that point! Good to hear that you are able to navigate this successfully - guess we will have to wait until there is a point we can buy a vaccine! The joys of cruising eh?! Cheers to you both! 🥂
@@lynchallender7940 Register with a GP
So. Your not a vegetarian your a pescatarian.
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Isles of Scilly not Scilly Isles, they don't like it
i left vagabond b/c they wouldn't admit to being sponsored by corona beer. i don't care about the beer, it tastes almost as bad as the big US beers, it was the fact they wouldn't admit to it when i asked. so get sponsored by corona beer and i'll leave you :-(( guiness would be ok, not bud or coors or mill'. :-)
any chance of doing the black sea? nobody seems to do it :-(
Looking into the Black Sea, yes.
@@svfairisle great :-)
Who is Sam?
He's one of our Patreons, lives on his boat with his wife Sydney (and two sons I think) in Florida.
Americans.....90 days. The same as The UK.
I was interested in your sailing content until you started pushing the BBC MSM Covid stuff. All the best with your jab and the adverse reactions that are taking place on a daily basis across the world. Your own personal choice.
Had four jabs now, thank goodness.
@@svfairisle Good for you keep on getting jabbed and jabbed and jabbed cannot be too careful can we? I wish you every success.