I have this model. The Jensen C12Q 36 watts has been the best speaker I’ve tried. Even factoring in an Alnico Blue. The C12Q is the most ringy and jangly for me. I still love this Jensen and Celestion, can’t go wrong.
The Jensen sounds perfect for a Fender combo clean tone....it rings like a bell. Celestion most versatile and warm. The Jensen needs to be driven ,when the OD is turned on it sounds great.
Really useful demo given the variety of styles played. IMHO the WGS is the winner with the Jensen close second. I've considered a speaker upgrade to my FSR Princeton 12" and probably would have gone Celestion...this definitely challenged my bias.
Great video! I have a Princeton with a 12” Eminence Canabis Rex,.. Not really happy with that speaker. In this demo, it’s Jensen hands down. I am an old Fender amp guy. The Jensen brings me back to the Black face and early Silver face amps. Thanks much!!!
Jensen = no comparison. Thats the classic: "glassy-chimey Pristine famous Fender Clean" - I thought the Celestion sounded terrible. Like putting a blanket over the speaker. oNe LovE from NYC.
Interesting you say that...I've watched quite a few shootouts where the jensen sounded muffled and the celestions reigned supreme, this time though the jensen sounds great
The celestions sound entire different in person. The highs are actually very good. If you rewatch the video you will notice a lot of micing issues, they aren't in the same cab and the celestion is way too quiet compared to its dB. If it was miced off center it will sound much darker than the center of the speaker. Please check Johan Sedgeborn for some other tonal comparisons.
Liked the video. The Jensen had a terrific clean sound and a good overdrive sound. The exact opposite for the Greenback. The Warehouse had an interesting warm clean tone with rolled off highs that would possibly be good for jazz, but I didn’t care for the overdrive sound. I have a Princeton with a 12” creamback and like it a lot.
Nothing beats an old Jensen. I have a 65' ceramic one in an old cab... now I need to stop f-in' around and get myself a Princeton to match it with and be done with buying unfulfilling amps.
1. Jensen...for maintaining the Princeton tone and just overall sounding awesome. 2. G12C...because I overall liked it alot, but just not as much as the Jensen because I LOOOOVE the Princeton tone. I do think this was a little unfair to judge this speaker because the overall volume of the G12C samples is louder, making it a bit harder to provide an unbiased opinion. (Refer to the subject of CD 'Loudness Wars'. All things equal except loudness, almost everyone will pick the louder sample in a blind test.) 3. Celestion...didn't care for this one much compared to the other two. No sparkle and not 'Fender-y sounding enough for my taste.
Its in a closed back marshall while not on center of cone. The other two were in the open back combo at different positions given the blanket under the amp. So its hard to compare directly. Personally I love my greenback with my champ 12. Though it did sound very chimey with a jensen, the crunch channel wasn't great. The Greenback helped fix some of the midrange for overdrive. Though the detail isn't the same as an alnico. The WGS is US voiced ceramic so its entirely different too. You need to try each speaker with your own setup to determine how it will sound. Even room to room can change its tone.
The Celestion sounds sterile. Have it in my Hotrod Deluxe & can't wait to change out. The Warehouse is definitely has the sound I like! The Jensen also sounds good but a little on cleaner side, but fuller than the Celestion, more vintage. But the warehouse has the darker, warmer tone I believe will sound great in my Hotrod., like a 427 in a '55 Chevy Bel Air.
Thank you for your great video. The Greenback sound a lot more bassy but that's because it's in a much larger cab (the marshall) vs the princeton cab + closer to wall (seems?) and floor.
I quite liked the g12 especially on those SRV neck pickup licks. The greenback sounds horrendously thin. Old plexis had tons of bass that needed to be cut so thats probably why they paired so well
Jensen P12Q, very 3D and vintage sounding IMO. The G12C is very good, but louder (cleaner) and more allrounder (more low médiums). Greenback is the weaker here.
The WGS G12C 75W is an 8 Ohm speaker - $119.99. The Greenback 25W UK is an 16 Ohm speaker - $125.00. Jensen P12Q 40W is an 16 Ohm speaker - $147.78. The Amp Princeton Reverb 65 have 8 Ohm speaker output. The WGS G12C 75W - Sensitivity@1W,1m = 99.48dB. The Greenback 25W UK - Sensitivity@1W,1m = 98dB. The Jensen P12Q 40W - Sensitivity@1W,1m = 96.1dB.
The obvious, and never mentioned difference between these speakers is that Jensen P12Q uses an Alnico magnet while the Celestion Greenback and the Warehouse G12C have ceramic magnets. This could easily explain the difference in the sounds they produce. While neither type is inherently better, they do produce different sound. The natural sound compression produced in the process of making these types of videos hides much of the differences in dynamic range and frequency response between these types of speakers, so are left to judge differences between them in a much less than ideal way. When hearing them live, even subtle differences become apparent and you may be quite surprised how much your opinion may change. Also the natural compression of ceramic magnet speakers result in these differences will not be fully revealed at low volumes and only become apparent as the volume level increase. As for those of you who posted that preferred that sound of the older Fenders might be interested to learn that...ceramic speakers grew in popularity grew dramatically in the 1960's and were found in almost all popular amps made from the mid-1960's and 1970's with few exceptions. As for those who prefer authentic vintage Fender sounds..... For 12" speakers, Fender used mostly Jensen C12n, Oxford 12T6 or UTAH MH12PC in their Black-face and/or Brown-face, tolex covered amps -- all were Ceramic speakers. So perhaps the ceramic speakers may be more authentic sounding. The used of ceramic speakers continued in drip-edge and silverface throughout the 1970's and 80's. Also, if you really like the alnico sound, you might also consider the Celestion Blue. It is also an alnico speaker that was used many vintage Vox amps including the AC-30. There is also the Jennings SilverBell that also appeared in many Vox amps. There are also Alnico speakers from Warehouse and Eminence.
The Jensen seems to record the best. Or at least more to what I think is a Princeton sound. Does that cut through in a mix compared to the warehouse as its definitely seems louder? Great vid thanks man
Looking for a less sensitive option than the V30 in my 1x12 for home playing. Had the Jensen on my list but after this demo it's off! Greenback is the way to go for me. I hate jangly sharp top end, I play with full output volume with a bit of gain for that aussie rock style. I don't think the Jensen does it for me. The warehouse definitely not.
@@jonizefox I thought the greenbacks sounded the most interesting. The Jensen sounded great, there was something cool about the greenbacks. Probably would have come out better if being louder. Often the same settings do not bring the same volume with different gear. I like to focus on the results rather than the settings because of that
May I ask why you chose two 16 ohm and one 8 ohm version for the speaker choices? It's an interesting video and I dig it but it would be cool to see the same comparison with matched impedance. I bet the first two speakers bloom with more power than the Princeton can put out.
Very interesting video and great to hear 3 contrasting speakers. I think the WGS would be best in a band situation if you are cranking the volume and competing with a drummer, but might be tiring on the ears at home if cranking it. Jenson sounds sweetest on clean settings to my ears. I have a blue 65 RI with the celestion blue and a 68 with a 10" Greenback. I'm not convinced I like either speaker in those amps. Also tempted to try 2 Greenbacks in my MKi HR Deville, which sounds good cranked but is way too loud so think the GBs might tame the volume and mids a bit! Thanks for posting the video!
@@jasondorsey7110 yes. The Jensen was the younger here, not really used, but artificially broken with a breakin playlist, enough to hear the difference.
Can't say anything because mic position is completely different and the greenback is mixed to low while in a different cab, apples to oranges to fried rice.
Sorry I cannot agree about the mic position , neither with the mix : there no mix here, guitar + amp + mic. I did it as fair as possible. But don't worry, just swap to professionnal videos with post production.
@@jonizefox The greenback is not less dB. So clearly you didn't put the mic in the same relative position as you did to the other speakers. Hence the 'mix' of the three being equalized to the same volume levels. Given the different camera angles its hard to tell but it looks like the mic is not at the same height even from jensen to wgs , regardless of the blanket under the amp. I'm not asking for professionals. But if you want to do a speaker shootout this is not a fair method and maybe even misleading. For YOU in the room its fine, even great to compare differnent tones from different cabs. More people need to change speakers instead of pickups and tubes. But for the audience listening to tone comparisons its not at all how it would sound for them. Even with the exact same gear. Some people mic on center, some mic halfway from center to edge, in the room it never sounds the same as miced(I understand that can't be helped on youtube, and mics colour the sound as well) etc. At least you listed what gear and your signal chain. But maybe a little bit less about your good playing(no sarcasm) and a little more about a better direct comparison. B for effort but a D+ result. The WGS and Jensen both sound much louder than the greenback. I have played two of these in person and it is simply not the case. The Jensen is rated at 94.4 dB WGS at 99.48 and the greenback is 98 dB. A 35 oz magnet on the WGS seems overly efficient given its SPL rating, much like how emi has the wizard at 103...Those numbers don't seem to jive with in person sound levels. But that is a them problem with how they record sound and average their speakers response over the sound spectrum ( kind of like fashion sizing jeans compared to dress pant sizes). I liked how the WGS and Jensen sounded, but the greenback didn't sound anything close, or loud enough compared to my in person experiences. So I looked at how they were recorded. Sorry but i wanted to understand why it sounded so bad in this comparison. If your Marshall has multiple speakers and the fact its a 16 ohm vs the 8 ohm of the WGS and 16 ohm jensen that will in fact change the volume of an individual speaker. 8 ohms is less impedance than a 16 ohm and multiple speakers would split the voltage from the amp even more. Or put it this way, on the same output tap(say 8 ohms) 12 watts of power(princeton) into a 16 ohm is only 6 watts, split into two 16 ohm speaker thats reduced in half again to 3 watts output. 4 speakers is 1.5 watts to each individual speaker. So the 8 Ohm WGS could be getting 12 watts of power while the greenback in a 412 may only receive 1.5 watts per speaker(depending on wiring and speaker ohms). Its why single speaker cabs are punchy and multi speaker cabs give 3 dimensions and bloom. SPL is usually measured as 1 watt into the speaker while measured at 1 meter from the cone. So the greenback at 1 watt is 98 dB when miced 1 meter or just under 40 inches from the cone. 10dB is deemed to be about twice as loud. So a 5 dB change from the jensen to the WGS should be noticeably large difference and the 1.5 dB from GB to WGS should be barely audible. Without mixing the signal after the fact to compensate for the different ohms and efficiency of the speakers. THIS may be part of the reason beyond just mic placement and/or cab vs combo. Of which one is likley open back -fender and one is closed back-marshall. Just some things to consider for next time. Ideally, even while at home, you tape off the amp/cab area perimeter. Place your mic and lock it down, do not bump into it. Then painstakingly move the speaker cab or combo away change the speaker replace within taped area so the mic is very close to the same position and either loop the riff, or try to mimic it as best as possible from one speaker change to the next. I'm trying not to be too critical. I have watched professionals do this improperly including that Skow guy from WGS. Just something as simple as moving the mic 1 inch towards or away from the center of the cone can greatly effect the tone a speaker gives through a mic(while not changing anything in room of course) nevermind much larger changes of cab design and number of speakers. I suggest seeing some of Johan Sedgeborns(sp) videos on how mic placement, speaker size, cabinet types, brand of cabs etc changes how an individual amp can sound in relation to its output device. Just for the science on it and the cool tone changes. I am far and away from a professional but have build a number of cabinets and most have been of different dimension and materials. Its very difficult to get some speakers to sound good in certain cabs depending on its design alone, then you add in a different amp and it may not be good at all. You almost have to do the hardwork of testing it out yourself on a per signal chain basis, and as you know that gets expensive when you are talking lots of speakers and cabs-hence why its important to eliminate as many variables as possibles. But again I liked your playing and I was surprised at how good the WGS sounded in this clip. But I was shocked the greenback sounded so bad-contrary to my experience with my Fender Champ 12, my Traynor YCS50 or my Marshall 800 clone-all of different tone circuit amps that sounded good with a greenback.
What I've found in life is that musicians who become household names spend 99.9% of their music time developing catchy songs and 0.1% of it on dicking around with how their amp sounds. Instead of splitting hairs deducing which speaker has the uber utmost precise representation of exactly 3,222.57126354hz, how about determining which would be the cheapest/easiest to replace because they are the most readily available and be done with it, go back to actually playing? (hint: JENSEN)
Maybe this comment should be posted on digital modeling gear videos. A speaker choice is fundamental to the tone of any amp. Once chosen - play. Digital is dicking around.
@@electricj5 I run with a 10" Weber alnico built by Ted himself just before he passed away, that gives me Celestion Blue for miles plus a nice compression when pushed up around 94-95db. I'm done with hair splitting. I can mic any Celestion, Eminence, Weber or Jensen to taste. My comment was to all the people who spend 10,000+ hours of their lives getting JUST THE RIGHT GEAR, MAN and then still can't play anything interesting or beneficial for themselves or others.
Or maybe you find that tone that makes you want to play more. MAYBE some people just enjoy tone searching. Opinions are like belly buttons, everyone has one and many stink.
@@thorinbane Some people enjoy elevator ''musak''. Some people like to be tied up and whipped. Some like to MAKE MUSIC, which isn't happening if they're caught up playing with musical equipment like they are toys that distract from their ever really making music. The best sounding rigs I've ever heard were owned by the worst guitarists I've ever known (or known of). Michelangelo didn't have to blame the paint.
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That Jensen P12Q had the most complex midrange and top end, while still having a nice deep bass response... Pretty blown away! What a textured sound!!
I like the Jensen best.
I have this model. The Jensen C12Q 36 watts has been the best speaker I’ve tried. Even factoring in an Alnico Blue. The C12Q is the most ringy and jangly for me. I still love this Jensen and Celestion, can’t go wrong.
Have you tried Tornado Classic 100 ?
The Jensen sounds perfect for a Fender combo clean tone....it rings like a bell. Celestion most versatile and warm. The Jensen needs to be driven ,when the OD is turned on it sounds great.
Ive got a Jensen P12Q in mine and love it.
The Jensen is the tone for me. I love Jensen speakers in Fenders.
Really useful demo given the variety of styles played. IMHO the WGS is the winner with the Jensen close second. I've considered a speaker upgrade to my FSR Princeton 12" and probably would have gone Celestion...this definitely challenged my bias.
Great video! I have a Princeton with a 12” Eminence Canabis Rex,.. Not really happy with that speaker. In this demo, it’s Jensen hands down. I am an old Fender amp guy. The Jensen brings me back to the Black face and early Silver face amps. Thanks much!!!
Thanks a lot. Happy if this helps. I'm not an old Fender amp guy, but I think the Jensen is the one for my PR clone.
Jensen = no comparison. Thats the classic: "glassy-chimey Pristine famous Fender Clean" - I thought the Celestion sounded terrible. Like putting a blanket over the speaker. oNe LovE from NYC.
Interesting you say that...I've watched quite a few shootouts where the jensen sounded muffled and the celestions reigned supreme, this time though the jensen sounds great
The celestions sound entire different in person. The highs are actually very good. If you rewatch the video you will notice a lot of micing issues, they aren't in the same cab and the celestion is way too quiet compared to its dB. If it was miced off center it will sound much darker than the center of the speaker. Please check Johan Sedgeborn for some other tonal comparisons.
Jensen. Hands down!
Yep
Liked the video. The Jensen had a terrific clean sound and a good overdrive sound. The exact opposite for the Greenback. The Warehouse had an interesting warm clean tone with rolled off highs that would possibly be good for jazz, but I didn’t care for the overdrive sound. I have a Princeton with a 12” creamback and like it a lot.
I like the Jensen, always.
I’m a HUGE fan of the Celestion green but in this demo, the Jensen is the Fender sound,
Nothing beats an old Jensen. I have a 65' ceramic one in an old cab... now I need to stop f-in' around and get myself a Princeton to match it with and be done with buying unfulfilling amps.
1. Jensen...for maintaining the Princeton tone and just overall sounding awesome.
2. G12C...because I overall liked it alot, but just not as much as the Jensen because I LOOOOVE the Princeton tone. I do think this was a little unfair to judge this speaker because the overall volume of the G12C samples is louder, making it a bit harder to provide an unbiased opinion. (Refer to the subject of CD 'Loudness Wars'. All things equal except loudness, almost everyone will pick the louder sample in a blind test.)
3. Celestion...didn't care for this one much compared to the other two. No sparkle and not 'Fender-y sounding enough for my taste.
Its in a closed back marshall while not on center of cone. The other two were in the open back combo at different positions given the blanket under the amp. So its hard to compare directly. Personally I love my greenback with my champ 12. Though it did sound very chimey with a jensen, the crunch channel wasn't great. The Greenback helped fix some of the midrange for overdrive. Though the detail isn't the same as an alnico. The WGS is US voiced ceramic so its entirely different too. You need to try each speaker with your own setup to determine how it will sound. Even room to room can change its tone.
The Celestion sounds sterile. Have it in my Hotrod Deluxe & can't wait to change out. The Warehouse is definitely has the sound I like! The Jensen also sounds good but a little on cleaner side, but fuller than the Celestion, more vintage. But the warehouse has the darker, warmer tone I believe will sound great in my Hotrod., like a 427 in a '55 Chevy Bel Air.
Running a 2 x P12Q Jensen cab with a 1966 Fender AB 165 Bassman head at 4 ohm here.
Thank you for your great video. The Greenback sound a lot more bassy but that's because it's in a much larger cab (the marshall) vs the princeton cab + closer to wall (seems?) and floor.
Thanks a lot. Frankly it's an artefact, the Jensen has enough bass réponse. The GB is more mids oriented.
I quite liked the g12 especially on those SRV neck pickup licks. The greenback sounds horrendously thin. Old plexis had tons of bass that needed to be cut so thats probably why they paired so well
Think I liked the Jensen best, what did you settle on?
Jensen P12Q, very 3D and vintage sounding IMO. The G12C is very good, but louder (cleaner) and more allrounder (more low médiums). Greenback is the weaker here.
The WGS G12C 75W is an 8 Ohm speaker - $119.99. The Greenback 25W UK is an 16 Ohm speaker - $125.00. Jensen P12Q 40W is an 16 Ohm speaker - $147.78. The Amp Princeton Reverb 65 have 8 Ohm speaker output. The WGS G12C 75W - Sensitivity@1W,1m = 99.48dB. The Greenback 25W UK - Sensitivity@1W,1m = 98dB. The Jensen P12Q 40W - Sensitivity@1W,1m = 96.1dB.
makes you wonder why the db sounds so different. The cab setup and mic placement wasn't exactly consistent either.
My vote is on that Warehouse ... but I'm an OLDER guy who is not in love with treble.
The obvious, and never mentioned difference between these speakers is that Jensen P12Q uses an Alnico magnet while the Celestion Greenback and the Warehouse G12C have ceramic magnets. This could easily explain the difference in the sounds they produce. While neither type is inherently better, they do produce different sound. The natural sound compression produced in the process of making these types of videos hides much of the differences in dynamic range and frequency response between these types of speakers, so are left to judge differences between them in a much less than ideal way. When hearing them live, even subtle differences become apparent and you may be quite surprised how much your opinion may change. Also the natural compression of ceramic magnet speakers result in these differences will not be fully revealed at low volumes and only become apparent as the volume level increase.
As for those of you who posted that preferred that sound of the older Fenders might be interested to learn that...ceramic speakers grew in popularity grew dramatically in the 1960's and were found in almost all popular amps made from the mid-1960's and 1970's with few exceptions.
As for those who prefer authentic vintage Fender sounds.....
For 12" speakers, Fender used mostly Jensen C12n, Oxford 12T6 or UTAH MH12PC in their Black-face and/or Brown-face, tolex covered amps -- all were Ceramic speakers. So perhaps the ceramic speakers may be more authentic sounding. The used of ceramic speakers continued in drip-edge and silverface throughout the 1970's and 80's.
Also, if you really like the alnico sound, you might also consider the Celestion Blue. It is also an alnico speaker that was used many vintage Vox amps including the AC-30. There is also the Jennings SilverBell that also appeared in many Vox amps. There are also Alnico speakers from Warehouse and Eminence.
The Jensen seems to record the best. Or at least more to what I think is a Princeton sound. Does that cut through in a mix compared to the warehouse as its definitely seems louder? Great vid thanks man
Thx. No mix to cut at home. But if it's more a matter of frequency rather than volume, the Jensen could do the job I guess.
Excellent playing and demo, friend!!!
Thx ! Just a little home player...
@@jonizefox a tasteful one.
Sometimes even pros lack aesthetics.
You have it.
Nice repertoire too.
Stay inspired, keep it up!
Looking for a less sensitive option than the V30 in my 1x12 for home playing. Had the Jensen on my list but after this demo it's off! Greenback is the way to go for me. I hate jangly sharp top end, I play with full output volume with a bit of gain for that aussie rock style. I don't think the Jensen does it for me. The warehouse definitely not.
What’s the volume at? Especially for the greenback have to have it up half or more to get a better tone
Same settings for all, somewhat loud enough at home. Why should the Greenback be better whith higher volume, but not the others ?
@@jonizefox I thought the greenbacks sounded the most interesting. The Jensen sounded great, there was something cool about the greenbacks. Probably would have come out better if being louder.
Often the same settings do not bring the same volume with different gear. I like to focus on the results rather than the settings because of that
Warehouse, sounds loudest? But has no character, vibe ? Sounds boring and dull? The Jenson best clean, greenback for bite.
12" ? I thought Princeton Reverb used 10" speakers?
This is a clone with a 12" speaker, you probably noticed the Brownface finish. A original Fender with a 12" speaker should exists I think.
Fender makes some fsr version with a 1x12 . I definitely prefere the Jensen here! Nice video!!
@@JBfromParis thanks. If I remember, a Bordeaux one, maybe with...a P12Q ?!
@@jonizefox for sure with a blue alnico. I think they tried several other like cannabis Rex.
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A sonic blue strat?
It’s a partstrat, assembled and finished by myself. Actually, the color is the « tcha tcha blue » used on Fiat 500 car….almost a Sonic blue I think.
May I ask why you chose two 16 ohm and one 8 ohm version for the speaker choices? It's an interesting video and I dig it but it would be cool to see the same comparison with matched impedance. I bet the first two speakers bloom with more power than the Princeton can put out.
I did it with the gear I have, 8 ohm in the PR single speaker combo, and 16ohm in the 2x12 cab.
Jensen.
Very interesting video and great to hear 3 contrasting speakers. I think the WGS would be best in a band situation if you are cranking the volume and competing with a drummer, but might be tiring on the ears at home if cranking it. Jenson sounds sweetest on clean settings to my ears. I have a blue 65 RI with the celestion blue and a 68 with a 10" Greenback. I'm not convinced I like either speaker in those amps. Also tempted to try 2 Greenbacks in my MKi HR Deville, which sounds good cranked but is way too loud so think the GBs might tame the volume and mids a bit! Thanks for posting the video!
Yes, the G12C has more body and hold distorsion better, but has less chime on clean (first criteria for me at home)
@@jonizefox were the speakers broken in at all?
@@jasondorsey7110 yes. The Jensen was the younger here, not really used, but artificially broken with a breakin playlist, enough to hear the difference.
Looks like the speakers were not demoing from the cab?
The G12C and P12Q are in the Princeton, the Greenback stands in my 2x12 usually plugged with the Marshall type amp.
Can't say anything because mic position is completely different and the greenback is mixed to low while in a different cab, apples to oranges to fried rice.
Sorry I cannot agree about the mic position , neither with the mix : there no mix here, guitar + amp + mic. I did it as fair as possible. But don't worry, just swap to professionnal videos with post production.
@@jonizefox The greenback is not less dB. So clearly you didn't put the mic in the same relative position as you did to the other speakers. Hence the 'mix' of the three being equalized to the same volume levels. Given the different camera angles its hard to tell but it looks like the mic is not at the same height even from jensen to wgs , regardless of the blanket under the amp.
I'm not asking for professionals. But if you want to do a speaker shootout this is not a fair method and maybe even misleading. For YOU in the room its fine, even great to compare differnent tones from different cabs. More people need to change speakers instead of pickups and tubes. But for the audience listening to tone comparisons its not at all how it would sound for them. Even with the exact same gear. Some people mic on center, some mic halfway from center to edge, in the room it never sounds the same as miced(I understand that can't be helped on youtube, and mics colour the sound as well) etc. At least you listed what gear and your signal chain. But maybe a little bit less about your good playing(no sarcasm) and a little more about a better direct comparison.
B for effort but a D+ result. The WGS and Jensen both sound much louder than the greenback. I have played two of these in person and it is simply not the case.
The Jensen is rated at 94.4 dB WGS at 99.48 and the greenback is 98 dB. A 35 oz magnet on the WGS seems overly efficient given its SPL rating, much like how emi has the wizard at 103...Those numbers don't seem to jive with in person sound levels. But that is a them problem with how they record sound and average their speakers response over the sound spectrum ( kind of like fashion sizing jeans compared to dress pant sizes). I liked how the WGS and Jensen sounded, but the greenback didn't sound anything close, or loud enough compared to my in person experiences. So I looked at how they were recorded. Sorry but i wanted to understand why it sounded so bad in this comparison.
If your Marshall has multiple speakers and the fact its a 16 ohm vs the 8 ohm of the WGS and 16 ohm jensen that will in fact change the volume of an individual speaker. 8 ohms is less impedance than a 16 ohm and multiple speakers would split the voltage from the amp even more. Or put it this way, on the same output tap(say 8 ohms) 12 watts of power(princeton) into a 16 ohm is only 6 watts, split into two 16 ohm speaker thats reduced in half again to 3 watts output. 4 speakers is 1.5 watts to each individual speaker.
So the 8 Ohm WGS could be getting 12 watts of power while the greenback in a 412 may only receive 1.5 watts per speaker(depending on wiring and speaker ohms). Its why single speaker cabs are punchy and multi speaker cabs give 3 dimensions and bloom. SPL is usually measured as 1 watt into the speaker while measured at 1 meter from the cone. So the greenback at 1 watt is 98 dB when miced 1 meter or just under 40 inches from the cone. 10dB is deemed to be about twice as loud. So a 5 dB change from the jensen to the WGS should be noticeably large difference and the 1.5 dB from GB to WGS should be barely audible. Without mixing the signal after the fact to compensate for the different ohms and efficiency of the speakers. THIS may be part of the reason beyond just mic placement and/or cab vs combo. Of which one is likley open back -fender and one is closed back-marshall.
Just some things to consider for next time. Ideally, even while at home, you tape off the amp/cab area perimeter. Place your mic and lock it down, do not bump into it. Then painstakingly move the speaker cab or combo away change the speaker replace within taped area so the mic is very close to the same position and either loop the riff, or try to mimic it as best as possible from one speaker change to the next.
I'm trying not to be too critical. I have watched professionals do this improperly including that Skow guy from WGS. Just something as simple as moving the mic 1 inch towards or away from the center of the cone can greatly effect the tone a speaker gives through a mic(while not changing anything in room of course) nevermind much larger changes of cab design and number of speakers. I suggest seeing some of Johan Sedgeborns(sp) videos on how mic placement, speaker size, cabinet types, brand of cabs etc changes how an individual amp can sound in relation to its output device. Just for the science on it and the cool tone changes.
I am far and away from a professional but have build a number of cabinets and most have been of different dimension and materials. Its very difficult to get some speakers to sound good in certain cabs depending on its design alone, then you add in a different amp and it may not be good at all. You almost have to do the hardwork of testing it out yourself on a per signal chain basis, and as you know that gets expensive when you are talking lots of speakers and cabs-hence why its important to eliminate as many variables as possibles. But again I liked your playing and I was surprised at how good the WGS sounded in this clip. But I was shocked the greenback sounded so bad-contrary to my experience with my Fender Champ 12, my Traynor YCS50 or my Marshall 800 clone-all of different tone circuit amps that sounded good with a greenback.
super
G12C for me
What I've found in life is that musicians who become household names spend 99.9% of their music time developing catchy songs and 0.1% of it on dicking around with how their amp sounds. Instead of splitting hairs deducing which speaker has the uber utmost precise representation of exactly 3,222.57126354hz, how about determining which would be the cheapest/easiest to replace because they are the most readily available and be done with it, go back to actually playing? (hint: JENSEN)
Maybe this comment should be posted on digital modeling gear videos. A speaker choice is fundamental to the tone of any amp. Once chosen - play. Digital is dicking around.
@@electricj5 I run with a 10" Weber alnico built by Ted himself just before he passed away, that gives me Celestion Blue for miles plus a nice compression when pushed up around 94-95db. I'm done with hair splitting. I can mic any Celestion, Eminence, Weber or Jensen to taste. My comment was to all the people who spend 10,000+ hours of their lives getting JUST THE RIGHT GEAR, MAN and then still can't play anything interesting or beneficial for themselves or others.
Or maybe you find that tone that makes you want to play more. MAYBE some people just enjoy tone searching. Opinions are like belly buttons, everyone has one and many stink.
@@thorinbane Some people enjoy elevator ''musak''. Some people like to be tied up and whipped. Some like to MAKE MUSIC, which isn't happening if they're caught up playing with musical equipment like they are toys that distract from their ever really making music. The best sounding rigs I've ever heard were owned by the worst guitarists I've ever known (or known of). Michelangelo didn't have to blame the paint.
Jensen > or = or < warehouse >> greenback
greenback distorted , jensen clean ...
Jensen won