I don’t see any problem with understanding his character and appreciating the brilliance his art at the same time. In fact, understanding Picasso’s character helps you understand his artwork more - both the light and the darkness. You can find a work of art, even one depicting something terrible, fascinating without ‘endorsing’ its morality.
What kind of dimension would art have if the artist was not flawed? He should be complex in some way (all kind, all cruel, or any combination) himself in order to produce something significant.
"It is too late to demand penance from the dead. But it is not too late to demand a modicum of decency from the living." - Art critic Deborah Solomon Source: Picasso Love Him? Hate Him? 50 Years After His Death, 2 Arguments - The New York Times
He was a genius and an innovative thinker. He was also not a perfect person. So many great artists were deeply flawed, which one can say fueled their art. Why do we feel the need to cancel him now? I have always loved Paloma and appreciate her candor. Let the man alone!
i am not looking at his paintings because i care about who he was. i am looking at his paintings to see what he expressed. . i dont need to care how he was as a boyfriend to the people he was with just because i want to appreciate his art.
Aren't we tired of judging artists and public figures of the past by today's 20/20, seemingly all-wise morays and critical mediocrities? The men were different, the women were different, shaped by poverty, war, desperation. As Elsa sang let it go. Paloma is a great jewelry artist, her dad was a monumental genius (great Picasso show at the De Young in 2011, his Paris museum a must-see, and John Richardson's unfinished biographies are good but Robert Hughes piece in 'His Nothing If Not Critical' book of essays on artists ('He looks like he spent his final years in a masquerade ball at a bordello') is both witty and psychologically insightful. Always get something from the incalculable Picasso.
So tired of demanding that we judge those that are long gone by today's standards. Don't go throwing stones at glass houses. We're all guilty of acting in ways at times that are less than desirable.
If you stick around long enough and gain any notoriety, somebody is coming for you. So, if we decide to do this to everyone, all the art from literature, art and music will disappear.
Mr Picasso is the artist that everyone loves to hate... If he had done anything else... He would probably have been fired.. He did the right thing... 👀...
1) A famous man once wrote a letter to his future wife, in said letter he's quoted as telling her to "Expect neither intimacy, nor fidelity." That man was Albert Einstein. Yeah, #metoo should should definitely go after him next. 2) Query: who were the power of attorneys of the women that he dated? I mean clearly, there's no such thing as "agency"; every single one of these women were never in control. At all. Pablo had all of the power...except for Gilot who left him. I mean, it would appear that Gilot was a full grown woman who made a decision about her life, but that can't be right as that doesn't fit the narrative of this hit piece, right? Nah, that's crazy talk. 3) Yeah, all the men have to be cancelled. Got it. 'Cause it's not like famous people, regardless of gender, aren't complex and may have any idiosyncrasies, peccadilloes, odd or rough edges. I mean, Nina Simone was bipolar, used to pull guns on people and ended up being estranged from her daughter who, in her own words, said that her mother nearly drove her to suicide; I'm SO certain the #metoo era will come for her next. 'Cause you can't separate the art from the artist, right? Right? Right?
So... what does a representative artist look like? (How should a "real artist" look?) How about Mickalene Thomas? (5:09) Just think how fortunate she was to be featured as the ONLY contemporary artist commenting on Picasso's life and legacy.
@@rr7firefly You appear to be a pretty smart cookie. A compliment. Pablo Picasso's artistry speaks for itself. His relationships not so. He was, portrayed as a womanizer, who in today's world would be called a domineering, control freak, in a "bad boy's club". Where women become enamered by. ie., manipulation and narssassim. A horrible trait to fall for.
Picasso Moon, blinding ball, Spinning fire, the lightning calls Picasso Moon, fall into the sky Rarin' out, I'm gonna testify And stare a shout into that burning eye, Bigger than a drive-in movie, oh my. Bigger than a drive-in movie, oh my.
There's nothing wrong with womanizing: he doesn't have to stay with people he doesn't want to. Just as there's nothing wrong with women refusing to be tied down by some dude. That intelligent educated people think they're "onto something" by finding Picasso's personality 'problematic' is embarrassing for education itself.
@@claudetteholloway1126yes- that's the LANGUAGE they are choosing to project. The charges of 'abuse' had nothing to do with him ACTUALLY abusing any woman. The claims against him range from "As with any abuser, a pattern emerged in Picasso’s life and art: a woman would provide him with inspiration for his greatest portraits, before being discarded for a younger muse" to "Picasso prevented her from both painting and modelling for other artists... It’s difficult not to see a desire to control in 'Tête de femme' ... like Picasso’s other muses, she served his creative practice over furthering her own career... the abusive way in which Picasso treated her, in how he was still involved with another muse when it was painted, and enjoyed pitting the two women against one another" and in one quote that was hilarious, "submitted them to his animal sexuality." !! The museum director said outright (in the Barcelona show on Picasso that dwelled the most of these 50th year retrospectives on his behavior with women) "that Picasso was undeniably 'very machista' but that he did not know of cases of physical abuse."
Another naive amd stupid conversation about applying our cultural expectations on the previous culture of generations past. You can't compare modern day dentistry to the dentistry of the dark ages. You can't compare whatever interpretation of the past to today's standards
She is talking about ..Now ...when this happened decades ago ...Its in the past ... Good Bye .....Move forward ....😊 Just my opinion...... maybe Brenda has issues ... .?????
Picasso Moon, shattered light Diamond bullets ripping up the night Picasso Moon, liberate me, From the middle of eternity, Something hooks her little finger at me, An' it's bigger than a drive-in movie, ooooo-eeee. Bigger than a drive-in movie, ooooo-eeee.
He would be rolling over in his grave if he knew the kind of world we live in today! Thank God he had the guts to be himself. When the woke get done with us we’ll all be walking on eggshells
You guys look at everything I do. You saw I posted Picasso on my facebook recently and of course, you have to try to both imitate me and shove it in my face too, because the Idea that I'm alive pisses you off. I remain a massive fan of Picasso while also having my own style, as one of the Greatest Artists that Ever Lived. That's me.. ~ Jonathan Paul Vecci
For those who are saying that we shouldn’t judge him on today’s standards, I say what an absurd thing to say! He caused suffering that was way too real for those women, just because he lived in another era doesn’t mean that the suffering he caused was normalized. He was an abuser, end of story! Just because he was a master of his craft doesn’t mean we shouldn’t judge his personal life, can you imagine the level of suffering he caused that his wife had to get electric shocks to get him out of her mind?! We should judge him and find him guilty, because abuse has never ever been acceptable! My grandmother was abused by my grandfather for years until she left him, abusers should be held accountable no matter how matter how many decades or centuries have passed. Just like we associate Van Gogh with mental illness we should associate Picasso with abuse and misogyny.
We just want to wipe the slate clean and all history even in the art world should go ? I'm not a fan of Picasso and Cubism but his contributions to the art world are phenomenal in their own way please don't cancel art history.
What kind of dimension would art have if the artist was not flawed? He must be conflicted in some way himself in order to produce something significant or meaningful.
Picasso did not create cubism. He was *one* of the pioneers, alongside Braque and others. That is like saying Bach created the fugue. Clearly, he did not, even though he is generally accepted as the master of the art form.
That's why it's called great art, not great artist ... sharpen your logic, Lady. .. and morality for if you use curse words your using the devil's language and your not better that picasso.
He was a womanizer for sure, but leaving a woman doesn't make it abuse...too severe of a word for that. Looks like he attracted insecure women who crumbled after he left. Francoise Gilot was the only one with confidence in herself & that's why she prevailed after him. She's a fantastic artist in her own right & should get more recognition!
criticizing art based on anything but the work itself is not only misleading but plainly wrong. just look at the work PERIOD! basic prime example: consider all the incredible thousands of years old iconic polynesian sculpture which appears modern beyond belief ... who cares what was on the artists mind(s) ... just study the work ... why waste your own time ... if you are interested in the visual STUDY THAT AND LEARN ABOUT THE VISUAL...
@yvonneplant9434 that is the ignorant way of doing things. It is tantamount to you telling me to stop watching the news if it upsets me. I watch because I have a need to know what other humans are evilly plotting against me and normal hard working Americans that just want prosperity Always be mindful of the evil your fellow man will spread
Now she is Art critic fantastico now let’s ask my neighbor to see want she think !!!!! 1:44 but is is sad that you must die to see not see to hear money coming!!,just sad 🫢🤫🔴
I don’t see any problem with understanding his character and appreciating the brilliance his art at the same time. In fact, understanding Picasso’s character helps you understand his artwork more - both the light and the darkness. You can find a work of art, even one depicting something terrible, fascinating without ‘endorsing’ its morality.
Agreed 👍
What kind of dimension would art have if the artist was not flawed? He should be complex in some way (all kind, all cruel, or any combination) himself in order to produce something significant.
If you judge an artist's worth by his/her private life, you will have a very thin cultural portfolio.
The perfect statement. Thank you.
He was great...not a good husband but a great, genius painter!!
Great character and great genius. Picasso is a true amazing jewel in human history.
That’s absurd to call him a cubist. His art was extremely varied throughout his entire life
He was a child protege. He could paint like Titian when he was a kid.
Indeed! To call him a cubist is to limit and degenerate his talent , he was an artist of life, not to be limited to some narrow box!
Putting 2023 standards on a guy who died 50 years ago is crazy.
Totally
"It is too late to demand penance from the dead. But it is not too late to demand a modicum of decency from the living." - Art critic Deborah Solomon
Source: Picasso Love Him? Hate Him? 50 Years After His Death, 2 Arguments - The New York Times
😂
CBS every weekend is just Jews lecturing Caucasians about how their history and culture makes them bad.
He was a genius and an innovative thinker. He was also not a perfect person. So many great artists were deeply flawed, which one can say fueled their art. Why do we feel the need to cancel him now? I have always loved Paloma and appreciate her candor. Let the man alone!
“In the Me Too era” lmaooo what a joke. Picasso is a genius and nothing will change it.
i am not looking at his paintings because i care about who he was. i am looking at his paintings to see what he expressed. . i dont need to care how he was as a boyfriend to the people he was with just because i want to appreciate his art.
Aren't we tired of judging artists and public figures of the past by today's 20/20, seemingly all-wise morays and critical mediocrities? The men were different, the women were different, shaped by poverty, war, desperation. As Elsa sang let it go. Paloma is a great jewelry artist, her dad was a monumental genius (great Picasso show at the De Young in 2011, his Paris museum a must-see, and John Richardson's unfinished biographies are good but Robert Hughes piece in 'His Nothing If Not Critical' book of essays on artists ('He looks like he spent his final years in a masquerade ball at a bordello') is both witty and psychologically insightful. Always get something from the incalculable Picasso.
CBS every weekend is just Jews lecturing Caucasians about how their history and culture makes them bad.
So tired of demanding that we judge those that are long gone by today's standards. Don't go throwing stones at glass houses. We're all guilty of acting in ways at times that are less than desirable.
I LOVE EVERYTHING ARTISTIC ABOUT PICASSO
If you stick around long enough and gain any notoriety, somebody is coming for you. So, if we decide to do this to everyone, all the art from literature, art and music will disappear.
What is the POINT of all of the JUDGEMENT? let it go already. He is gone. Consider the GENIUS that he WAS, and a MASTER !
So, the immense suffering he caused it’s ok because he was good at art? Ok then.
Mr Picasso is the artist that everyone loves to hate...
If he had done anything else...
He would probably have been fired..
He did the right thing...
👀...
Great saying... 😊
1) A famous man once wrote a letter to his future wife, in said letter he's quoted as telling her to "Expect neither intimacy, nor fidelity." That man was Albert Einstein. Yeah, #metoo should should definitely go after him next.
2) Query: who were the power of attorneys of the women that he dated? I mean clearly, there's no such thing as "agency"; every single one of these women were never in control. At all. Pablo had all of the power...except for Gilot who left him. I mean, it would appear that Gilot was a full grown woman who made a decision about her life, but that can't be right as that doesn't fit the narrative of this hit piece, right? Nah, that's crazy talk.
3) Yeah, all the men have to be cancelled. Got it. 'Cause it's not like famous people, regardless of gender, aren't complex and may have any idiosyncrasies, peccadilloes, odd or rough edges. I mean, Nina Simone was bipolar, used to pull guns on people and ended up being estranged from her daughter who, in her own words, said that her mother nearly drove her to suicide; I'm SO certain the #metoo era will come for her next.
'Cause you can't separate the art from the artist, right? Right? Right?
This is an insightful story.
So... what does a representative artist look like? (How should a "real artist" look?) How about Mickalene Thomas? (5:09) Just think how fortunate she was to be featured as the ONLY contemporary artist commenting on Picasso's life and legacy.
Without judgment of his personal life
@@MaryBravado-wy8iq What did Picasso's women find so intoxicating about him? It drove one of them to suicide.
@@rr7firefly You appear to be a pretty smart cookie. A compliment.
Pablo Picasso's artistry speaks for itself.
His relationships not so. He was, portrayed as a womanizer, who in today's world would be called a domineering, control freak, in a "bad boy's club". Where women become enamered by. ie., manipulation and narssassim. A horrible trait to fall for.
@@rr7firefly After his death
This applies to politics as well btw, I mean the complexity and multiplicity of people and situations,
A hundred years from now, we will still be studying Picasso and no one will remember art critic Deborah Solomon. Thank god.
Pablo Picasso treated the women he loved like wine. When the wine ran out, he discarded the wine bottle.
Picasso Moon, blinding ball,
Spinning fire, the lightning calls
Picasso Moon, fall into the sky
Rarin' out, I'm gonna testify
And stare a shout into that burning eye,
Bigger than a drive-in movie, oh my.
Bigger than a drive-in movie, oh my.
it's the same problem we have with Wagner, or any number of more modern or ancient artists, musicians, actors, etc.
There's nothing wrong with womanizing: he doesn't have to stay with people he doesn't want to. Just as there's nothing wrong with women refusing to be tied down by some dude. That intelligent educated people think they're "onto something" by finding Picasso's personality 'problematic' is embarrassing for education itself.
'Scuse you. He was abusive to all said women. Kindly read before you comment.
@@claudetteholloway1126yes- that's the LANGUAGE they are choosing to project. The charges of 'abuse' had nothing to do with him ACTUALLY abusing any woman. The claims against him range from "As with any abuser, a pattern emerged in Picasso’s life and art: a woman would provide him with inspiration for his greatest portraits, before being discarded for a younger muse" to "Picasso prevented her from both painting and modelling for other artists... It’s difficult not to see a desire to control in 'Tête de femme' ... like Picasso’s other muses, she served his creative practice over furthering her own career... the abusive way in which Picasso treated her, in how he was still involved with another muse when it was painted, and enjoyed pitting the two women against one another" and in one quote that was hilarious, "submitted them to his animal sexuality." !!
The museum director said outright (in the Barcelona show on Picasso that dwelled the most of these 50th year retrospectives on his behavior with women) "that Picasso was undeniably 'very machista' but that he did not know of cases of physical abuse."
Picasso wouldn’t have painted OR slept with Deborah “kick them when they’re dead” Solomon 😑
Another naive amd stupid conversation about applying our cultural expectations on the previous culture of generations past. You can't compare modern day dentistry to the dentistry of the dark ages. You can't compare whatever interpretation of the past to today's standards
She is talking about ..Now ...when this happened decades ago ...Its in the past ... Good Bye .....Move forward ....😊 Just my opinion...... maybe Brenda has issues ...
.?????
Madness is the best way to describe him
The artist is art himself!
Picasso Moon, shattered light
Diamond bullets ripping up the night
Picasso Moon, liberate me,
From the middle of eternity,
Something hooks her little finger at me,
An' it's bigger than a drive-in movie, ooooo-eeee.
Bigger than a drive-in movie, ooooo-eeee.
He was a lothario, not a trait women respect, but not worthy of being overly criticized for either Other people's opinions, are just that, others'
Good grief that critics is full of .......how about Diego and Frida? Matisse? Carivagio? johannes vermeer and I can keep goin for ever....
My friend Larry G informed us about this.
Larry G in D.C?
Yeah, let the people as they are, don't judge...
he was a good salesman and an average painter
He would be rolling over in his grave if he knew the kind of world we live in today! Thank God he had the guts to be himself. When the woke get done with us we’ll all be walking on eggshells
You guys look at everything I do. You saw I posted Picasso on my facebook recently and of course, you have to try to both imitate me and shove it in my face too, because the Idea that I'm alive pisses you off. I remain a massive fan of Picasso while also having my own style, as one of the Greatest Artists that Ever Lived. That's me.. ~ Jonathan Paul Vecci
For those who are saying that we shouldn’t judge him on today’s standards, I say what an absurd thing to say! He caused suffering that was way too real for those women, just because he lived in another era doesn’t mean that the suffering he caused was normalized. He was an abuser, end of story!
Just because he was a master of his craft doesn’t mean we shouldn’t judge his personal life, can you imagine the level of suffering he caused that his wife had to get electric shocks to get him out of her mind?! We should judge him and find him guilty, because abuse has never ever been acceptable!
My grandmother was abused by my grandfather for years until she left him, abusers should be held accountable no matter how matter how many decades or centuries have passed. Just like we associate Van Gogh with mental illness we should associate Picasso with abuse and misogyny.
We just want to wipe the slate clean and all history even in the art world should go ? I'm not a fan of Picasso and Cubism but his contributions to the art world are phenomenal in their own way please don't cancel art history.
What kind of dimension would art have if the artist was not flawed? He must be conflicted in some way himself in order to produce something significant or meaningful.
Picasso did not create cubism. He was *one* of the pioneers, alongside Braque and others. That is like saying Bach created the fugue. Clearly, he did not, even though he is generally accepted as the master of the art form.
I always thought Pablo Picasso was an artist from the 15th century. I don't know why.lol
I enjoy the art. Can't stand the person. I also feel that way about Miles Davis, the Nicholas Brothers, Michael Jackson,...,
Can we judge Julius Ceasar next, please ?
Character aside who will we still be talking about in a 1000 years? I guarantee it won’t be mrs. Solomon
Omg. He’s dead.
Interesting
Saying that he was a cubist is like saying that da vinci was a writer... a very ignorant take.
That's why it's called great art, not great artist ... sharpen your logic, Lady. .. and morality for if you use curse words your using the devil's language and your not better that picasso.
thanks share arigato 😇🙏
Your description writer is so bad, what the heck is a 'revolutionary vision'?!
He was a womanizer for sure, but leaving a woman doesn't make it abuse...too severe of a word for that. Looks like he attracted insecure women who crumbled after he left. Francoise Gilot was the only one with confidence in herself & that's why she prevailed after him. She's a fantastic artist in her own right & should get more recognition!
This was decent reporting, almost at that TED KOPPEL LEVEL BOOYYYYYYYY. just a little short of the G"OAT
criticizing art based on anything but the work itself is not only misleading but plainly wrong. just look at the work PERIOD!
basic prime example: consider all the incredible thousands of years old iconic polynesian sculpture which appears modern beyond belief ... who cares what was on the artists mind(s) ... just study the work ... why waste your own time ... if you are interested in the visual STUDY THAT AND LEARN ABOUT THE VISUAL...
Woke tripe as usual from Sunday Morning
Better get in a time machine or be able to resurrect the dead to get an f'n apology from Picasso!!!
Spare me
Even with a Time Machine, something tells me he wouldn’t apologize
Stop watching it if the show disappoints you. It's easy to watch something else.
@yvonneplant9434 that is the ignorant way of doing things. It is tantamount to you telling me to stop watching the news if it upsets me. I watch because I have a need to know what other humans are evilly plotting against me and normal hard working Americans that just want prosperity
Always be mindful of the evil your fellow man will spread
Vilify another man husband father?
Here is more proof art critics are worthless.
Picasso about to get canceled 😂
Except most of these paintings shown are forgeries.
Oh my good lord , damn feminist trying for attention
So he was a dog? and what?
Prickasso 😆😉
He painted cartoons!
His best painting
is the Mona Lisa
Considering he stole cubism from African art......
If you're a bad boyfriend, ME TOO is gunning for you.
SHE WOULD NEVER HAD MET HIM… 😂😂😂
One profesor told us you must believe in your Art even if you have to die for and he die believing that that was ART !!!!!,🔴🫢🤫 1:44
Now she is Art critic fantastico now let’s ask my neighbor to see want she think !!!!! 1:44 but is is sad that you must die to see not see to hear money coming!!,just sad 🫢🤫🔴