Those who keep saying the Bills need a dome because of the games postponed or moved due to snow don't realize that the reason those games were moved/postponed was because of travel restrictions - not because of the field or the stadium. Those games would have been moved/postponed even if the Bills played in a dome.
I’m glad we’re not getting a dome stadium I think the canopy idea was good though because not everybody likes sitting in the snow but a lot of bills fans enjoy being in the elements
Thats cool but you’re putting the state into further debt on top of destroying the chance of ever recouping any of that money by not putting a dome. Extremely selfish. There’s a reason teams with bad owners never win anything.
It just doesn’t make a lot of sense as a franchise owner. You pay to build a stadium and you want it filled to the brim for as many games as possible. -15 degree games are a net loss for the stadiums. Nobody really comes or buys anything. It’s an experience sure, but it doesn’t make a lot sense in practice. Ford field hosted two other teams games last season and got all their ticket and concession money. Maybe buffalo should just schedule the last few games of the year in Detroit
Wrong, bad weather only helps bad teams. The Bills are no longer a bad team so when it’s a Blizzard and the Bills can’t get the passing game going, the other team is going to take advantage of that. I’ve sat in the Ralph for over 20 years and there’s nothing worse than a going to a game (example 2017 when the Saints, a dome team beat the Bills 47-10 so there goes the “dome teams are worse off” rhetoric) and freezing your balls off. A dome could make the stadium useful during all seasons, unlike the current stadium which has had about 3 concerts in the past 15 years. It’s not just about the Bills, when we pay taxpayer money we should get something that’s worth it, not a sized down bowl that brings tickets to an absurd price, while they cater to the people willing to pay thousands of dollars to sit in the club sections indoors anyway. The no dome argument is invalid on all fronts.
I’m much more concerned with the wind for the players. Because of how it affects the passing game, and Orchard Park might be the most consistent bad weather stadium in the league if you also consider wind. Which is why I’m very happy there is such a focus on eliminating wind at the new stadium. Hopefully they have a good plan to get it to almost 0 (low as possible). Would be awesome.
I’m glad the Bills new stadium is an open air stadium cause of the elements during the fall & winter. There’s way too many closed domed stadiums in the NFL already.
Left a Bills game once as it started to snow. By the time we got to the car, there was a foot of snow on the ground. By the time we were 10 miles down the highway it was 2 ft
Agreed. I remember Green Bay crying foul because they hosted the Bills in December... because the Bills stadium is just as much a frozen Tundra as Lambeau that time of the year taking GB's big advantage away from them...
Yup they polled us fans for what we wanted and we wanted outdoor, tailgate situation to remain the same, better stadium resistance to wind, and an authentic football experience.
Agree. They have arena football for those who want indoor football. Personally, I think every team should be outside with natural grass. Apparently, that's just me, though.
The new Highmark Stadium, while not being a dome, will have a majority of the seats covered with better heating systems for those in the stands and on the team on the field. It will have a heating system for the field similar to that of Lambeau and KC. So yes it is outdoors but the elements likely won't affect the games like it currently does. It's a concession without going full in for a fixed roof. Something that should be noted though is that the delays and relocations happened because of travel bans that were in effect more than snow preventing people from getting to and from the stadium. I do wish though in such cases they'd move the game to Syracuse University, which has a dome. I know the stadium falls short of the league mandated number of seats but would it hurt the bottom line too much for one game to be played there? Probably not and fans of the Bills in Syracuse would love it.
@@DebitAdams Minnesota is nothing compared to Buffalo, Buffalo is consistently ranked in the top 10 snowiest cities in the entire world, sometimes getting 10 feet or more dumped on top if it in a matter of 48 hours.
@@NMAZ716 The current Buffalo developers who own the property that the Bills were looking at attempted to hold the team and the state for a king's ransom to get that property. So the Bills looked across the street at land already owned by the county and said, "What's worked for 50+ years should work for the next 50!"
@@NMAZ716 There's plenty of land there but the development company that owns it was trying to extort money from the Bills and the government(s). The location is tailor-made for a stadium and would have helped redevelopment efforts on the east side. Too bad commercial interests were so greedy. That land will continue to sit undeveloped likely for another 15-20 years, if not longer..
In 2002 or ‘03, there was a snow cross race event held in the current stadium. I have been involved in snowmobile safety education since I was 18 and was asked to help on the infield. Standing on snow mounds on the infield watching racing sleds zip past me was one of the best moments I’ve had in that stadium. Go bills.
@@forgottenplaces9780 Technically it does. Both SoFi and the new Jags stadium can be affected by weather (rain can still get into the stadium through the open sides). Along with wind and lightning. A game at SoFi was delayed due to lightning. That wouldn't happen at a true dome stadium, like the Superdome, AT&T, Ford Field, etc.
I wonder as more outdoor stadiums get replaced with indoor ones over time-even markets that don't need them, will there ever be so few outdoor stadiums (eg just packers, bills, panthers, NY and bucs most likely) that players will request as part of a new CBA that they not play outdoor games in cold weather. Especially as the league continues to exponentially grow in revenue.
What's crazy is that if the stadium was built just north of the Buffalo, it would receive a fraction of the snow. Just north of Buffalo is not impacted that much by Lake Erie lake effect snow.
I don't know. Football in the snow is a fabulous thing. I don't go to bills games, but I live in Toronto and am a big CFL fan, and Argos playoff games in the cold and snow by the lake are great. You dress appropriately and it's a great time watching cold weather football. You feel more a part of it. If I were to go to a bills game, I'd definitely want to go to one later in the season just for that cold weather football experience.
I am a Buffalo fan and I live outside Toronto . The weather part you have a bit wrong . Buffalo is most exposed for the heavy winter storms in the front half of the winter. The super storms you see are because Lake Erie water temperature is warmer than the air temperature. So the moisture gets picked up . Around Superbowl time , in February , winter is fairly average in Buffalo . Second and I can say this with confidence . There are no tougher , friendlier and high spirited people than the people of Western New York and the loyalty they have for the Bills is unmatched. A Superbowl in Buffalo would be twice as fun
Very few Buffalo Bills fans wanted a dome stadium and even less wanted the new stadium built downtown. That's a fact. Bills fans love their tailgating. It's egalitarian. I've been to other stadia (or "stadiums") and it stinks that there is no grass parking lots in peoples front and back yards where you can party before and after the game in friendly confines of a suburban neighborhood. I'm pretty sure that tailgating was invented in Buffalo due to our stadium's location. We like it when it snows. Keeps the fair weather fans from attending the Bills games. Also, you mentioned Toronto. A sizable segment of Bills mafia are from the GTA and southern Ontario. It's out of towners who have never been to a Bills game are the loudest critics of Buffalo not having a dome. Football is game best played outdoors in the natural elements. Just dress warm when it's cold and stop crying a baby. And when the snow falls during the game cheer it on like every other Bills fan does.
I am so grateful to be alive at a time when I can still see a football game played in snow. They will all eventually be domes and they won't even know what they are missing.
I think watching either college football or NFL games being played in domes are boring to watch on TV verses those same games being played outdoors will always make me watch those games instead of watching the dome games.
That’s super interesting that the weather there is so bad that playing a game that would otherwise be postponed would be dangerous for people to drive to.. but other than this, what about regular games, while it would be nice for both the fans and players to have a more controlled environment, would it also be easier/cheaper to maintain a domed stadium? Less rust, less plowing, etc?
@@Where2bub The translucent roofs wouldnt be able to hold the snow. They would need to build a structure like US Bank Stadium which would probably cost 3bn in todays dollars. If they built the stadium in downtown Buffalo where the majority of the hotels are it may be viable.
Roof repairs on stadiums are incredibly expensive and with how heavy snow can be there would have to be regular repairs. Plus Buffalo fans just don't want a roof because we know that snow is authentic to Buffalo. Just look up the story about Bills fans shoveling out the stadium and shoveling out players houses
To each their own. I personally love going to football games at ford field. I only live 15 minutes from downtown Detroit. So I was able to catch a buffalo bills game for really cheap last year. Nothing beats standing out in the cold bitter winds in winter, then coming inside to a warm, windless building. It’s like a breath of fresh air. The fords should thank buffalo, they’ll take the free ticket and concession sales haha
pls has been a thing since the cowboys built their stadium. I thought they should have planed for a 65-68k stadium I feel that 62 is too small. even when the bills were bad they were filling the stadium until the last week or two of the season and by then who cared when they only have 5 victories.
Many of us Vikings fans were bummed when they left Met stadium in Bloomington which was also outdoors and nasty during the later part of the season; then went cheap on the HHH dome downtown, then played at UofM till now USBank was finished without ample parking (most park outside the city and take bus to events and even then pay $20.00 on up to $75.00 to park) is ridiculous when there was plenty of free parking at the old grounds back in the early years. Yes, the weather was tough at times, but we true fans found ways to enjoy that and it often was a major benefit to us as teams coming from sunbelt states hated our climate and wouldn't play as well as were used to in the warmer places. They can have USBank stadium and the MOA as far as I'm concerned; miss those days!
Two different studies, one paid for by the Pegulas/The Bills and the other by Erie County, determined that the upper deck of Highmark Stadium, while currently safe, will collapse in roughly five years. Efforts have been taken to strengthen the upper deck but those are nothing more than a stop-gap measure from catastrophe happening within that five years. To do the work on the upper deck necessary, plus to meet current large venue guidelines of multiple exits from the field in case of emergency (which would require a complete redesign of the stadium) would cost almost as much as the new stadium and would only extend the current life of the stadium 15, maybe 20, years. That's not even taking into account the amount of rewiring and plumbing that would need to be done. So it is a testament that a stadium opened in 1973 and undergone renovations has kept operating for 50+ years while enduring some of the worst weather conditions in the NFL. I currently live outside of Nashville, they opened their stadium in 1999 and are already replacing it. The Georgia Dome, built in 1992, was replaced just a few years ago. Cleveland is wanting a new stadium. Jacksonville is having theirs renovated. It's been rumored that both Carolina and Tampa want new stadiums. All of these were built within the last 35 years and, with the exception of Cleveland, exist in cities that experience decent weather (though I'm sure the salt air does a number on RJS). Can't forget FedEx field either needs replacing. So a 50+ year old stadium outlasting newer ones is great but it's at the end of its life. It's had a good life.
@@christophercole8114 Not only that. The current stadium was 100% tax payer funded. The new one is roughly 60% county/state tax payer funding. The stadium itself may not be the biggest job creator but the Buffalo Bills or any other NFL team certainly is. If the Bills left Buffalo and NYS. NY would lose a massive amount of liquor taxes, sales taxes on resteraunts, bars, clothing, merch from the entire region which includes Canadians from southern Ontario. The tax collected will pay off the stadium in a few years and after that taxes collected become pure profit for the state and the counties in the Buffalo region. As a downstater who lives one mile from the State of NJ and a Giants fan, I approve of taxpayer funds building the new stadium in Buffalo.
It's a home field advantage for any team to play at home, in that I can agree, but if you're suggesting that weather is an advantage, then that's a myth. Weather does not provide an advantage. I don't recall an NFL team blaming a loss on weather while on the road. It's really about the depth of the talent, the game plan and which team makes the least mistakes. There's been too many games in which a home team, with a alleged weather dynamic in full play, losing to a visiting team that plays in a different climate.
@moonytheloony6516 warm city teams and teams that play in domes have a worse record in cold weather games. Rain and what not doesn't really seem to be a factor though.
Your logic is a little flawed. Detroit has an indoor stadium, but they practice outside a facility in Allen park. So when Detroit plays greenbay in -15 degree weather at lambeau field they aren’t disadvantaged. Greenbay has the home field advantage sure. But Detroit gets to play in a climate controlled environment with no wind for 8 of its games, and they still can compete outside
Downtown can't support a Bills stadium, the entire cities streets would need to be repaved, roads widened or even re-routed, not even sure its possible to fit the traffic and parking you would need down there, its already tough with the Sabres ffs, the city would be shutdown for Bills games just from the traffic. It's a very old city for america which has kept a lot of its old architecture in-tact, it wasn't built to handle all them cars.
@@JoshDragRace0688 yeah… no. That’s such a BS response perpetuated by people that heard it from some other morons and couldn’t be bothered to think for 2 seconds so they ran with it. Every day, Monday thru Friday, more people go downtown to work than would fit in the stadium and we aren’t a carpooling city. The infrastructure is built for a much larger city because, shocker, we were once a much larger city. No streets would need to be touched, nothing widened, only perhaps a new entrance to the 190. The city handles Sabres games just fine, I’m there 44 nights a year. The issues for the Sabres is how they don’t stop pedestrians… ever. If one walks across the street, the police will let the next 18,000 walk in front of you. They don’t do any active traffic management.
@@JoshDragRace0688 next time, just say you’ve never been downtown instead of lying. Roads like off-roading. Hahahaha. And where? They already provided the where. The old Perry Projects. The Cobblestone district. The Central Terminal. All would be better.
The broncos have played outdoors since 1960 and have won 3 super bowls and 12+ afc title games at home.. I’ve been to a broncos game where the temp was -4 with -22 degree windchill.. outdoor teams will always be superior to indoor teams.. ❤
The fan base is not just the Buffalo area, it’s all across the state. Not to mention the fans and the team aren’t afraid of the weather and we like an outdoor stadium!
@@johnliberty3647 Lots of fans across the whole I-90 corridor even as far east as Albany. Quite a lot of Bills Backers bars in the Capital region and I see more Bills jerseys/merch/car stickers/lawn flags/etc than I do for the Giants or Jets. Go Bills!
Dallas will host another Super Bowl. They’re simply not on the NFL’s list of frequent SB venues led by Miami and New Orleans which get it every 10 years or less. Los Angeles and Las Vegas will almost certainly be added to that high frequency rotation.
Open air stadiums are easier and cheaper to eliminate, monitor and to maintain a rodent free structure. Maybe the Buffalo Bills will decide that they're ready to have a rodent free stadium. It's not too late to eliminate 100% of the rodents from their current home. Every stadium owners should not accept delivery of a stadium from contractors until the structure is verified to be rodent free, period.
To be honest, even when the Bills were terrible we were still filling the Ralph lol. The only thing that sucks is New Highmark is going to have like 10,000 less seats. I still feel like they would've been better off building the stadium closer to the city like over by the waterfront. The city of Buffalo has like very little reasons to go to it, pretty much everywhere you want to be is like outside of it (excluding KeyBank Center). From a developmental standpoint, it would've made sense to bring the new stadium closer to the city, but I think in their minds was the parking issue (which is taken care of by building the new stadium in the proximity of the old.) I'm just wondering if the prospect of new highmark revitalizes some of that area. I think all that's close-ish by is a community college, a Burger King and a car dealership, and a dead mall not too far around the corner lol.
You wouldnt need as much parking in downtown as there would be much better mass transportation to and from the stadium then there currently is. Especially leaving. Went last year to the SNF game v. Giants, it took almost an hour to let the buses depart.
The Main reason buffalo can't get a dome is obvious - money 💰🤑 - if they Were to be allowed to have a dome, that would affect the attendance, meaning - big dome - more money - fewer people going to games, (already Smaller than originally told) - essentially - instead of 70, 000 people, right now there will be only 62,000 - 18,000 less - pretty big numbers - add a dome - you will be lucky to get 60,000 - pretty small numbers - and a Big Reason why the boss will be shopping around for an owner with BIG POCKETS - mostly from Outside of buffalo Don't take my word for it, crunch the numbers - figure it out
Football is an absolutely brutal blood sport. We are Rome, these are our gladiators. Conquering the elements is part of the game, really wish domed stadiums had been outlawed decades ago. I will admit, you cannot play an outdoor afternoon game in some place like Phoenix or Las Vegas in August. Play at dusk or dark under the desert stars, man has lived in the desert for thousands of years and knows you go take a nap under a shady rock during the heat of the day lol.
Dome itself will be expensive given the fact it's Lake effect snow which is 2x stronger than the average snowfall you would normally see in other places and it's jammed packed+more inches. But you're kind of forgetting Snow itself is buffalos identity and unironically the infrastructure is only thing that you could possibly say 'no superbowls' but that's easily fixed in adding more hotels, roads etc. Buffalo is basically a sports city so they live and die by the snow as well. I would however point out the majority of the NYS funds is one's seized in the Seneca Nation's Casino money so it isn't really NYS tax payers paying it other than the unexpected increase in cost by like 200 mil. (Also you do realize we get Tax state wide so NYC taxes are for the state as a whole as well). So don't believe what people are saying that everyone in the state is fronting the cost when the Governor found alternative in their ongoing dispute with the Seneca Nation.
Starting in December, you can get drenching rainstorms in Los Angeles. Later weeks and playoff games could be affected. A Super Bowl is more likely to be awarded if you have a roof, even in L.A.
@@DebitAdams So if it is so important than why did LA go SO LONG without a football team. Did someone one day wake up and figure out - hey, we have a lot of people here.???
@@marblox9300Because of Ownership issue,Staudim who is going to pay for it to be built,fighting between NFL owners of who have right to Los Angeles and if the NFL really want to go for 40 teams
The new stadium will not be as open as the old stadium. Some kind of partial roof or something. I doubt it will get to 51 degrees below zero windchill like the Raiders game. The foam on my beer froze.
Games get cancelled or moved from Buffalo due to weather because of hazardous road conditions for the fans coming to attend the games. A dome won’t prevent this from happening in the future.
Bills need a done as an equalizer. Having that qb slowed by the weather and allowing opponents to stay in the game. Same issue Rodgers had in GB. How did he do at home in the playoffs????
Because the cold is an asset for the home team. Think Minnesota or Detroit. Minnesota used to be in the Superbowl all the time. And every single one of those were WITHOUT a dome. Since adding a dome, it's be zero times for each of them.
Just remember this, folks. There is only ONE NFL football 🏈 team in New York. The Buffalo Bills 🦬 (Village of Orchard Park, Erie County, New York). 😃👍 Also. MetLife, Inc. Stadium 🏟️ is physically located in the Borough of East Rutherford, Bergen County, New Jersey, seven miles west of New York City/Manhattan. 😃👍
All the reasons brought up in this video are attributed to one party democrat rule in New York from local villages to the city of Buffalo and Erie County
The Bills' ownership has been one of the most free spending owners in our region's history. He saved the franchise from other buyers who would have moved the team away from its home.
I don't like dome stadiums. Top me the weather is part of the experience. Football is a fall and winter sport, the rain, cold, and snow is part of the experience whether you're in the stadium or watching at home.
Ice isn't stopping dallas from getting a Super Bowl. It is a garbage stadium in a garbage location. There is virtually no ADA access. I mean, there is, but waiting 3 hours for an elevator is asinine. There is cheap parking if you want to walk an hour. There is no where near enough lodging within walking distance. Crime is out of control. This stadium was built as a social event, not a spectator event. The fan experience at the Reds old riverfront stadium was better than jerry world.
Buffalo has died off as an "event city" because the cost of travel and lodging has gone up, and you said it: Toronto is 2.5 hours, Pittsburgh is 3.5 hours, Cleveland is 3 hours. We dont have the population, so who cares if we have to drive?
You’re wrong on your first thing. We do have big concerts and tours here all the time. They just don’t play at the stadium. They go to Darien lake. There’s other places here than just the stadium. The actual reality is we already have a place for concerts and tours. You could have checked or just asked the locals man. Just saying.
I never said theres no concerts there, there arent stadium filling 50-70k crowd concerts there, garth brooks couldnt even sell out the bills stad and he sells out literally everywhere in many cases multiple shows
Those who keep saying the Bills need a dome because of the games postponed or moved due to snow don't realize that the reason those games were moved/postponed was because of travel restrictions - not because of the field or the stadium. Those games would have been moved/postponed even if the Bills played in a dome.
So true
Damn, you’re almost Canadian. Bravo.
well said. you're making too much sense for the peanut gallery 😉
Seems like they need better infrastructure
@Stevenirons infrastructure has nothing to do with 6 feet of snow in the roads lol
I’m glad we’re not getting a dome stadium I think the canopy idea was good though because not everybody likes sitting in the snow but a lot of bills fans enjoy being in the elements
Thats cool but you’re putting the state into further debt on top of destroying the chance of ever recouping any of that money by not putting a dome. Extremely selfish. There’s a reason teams with bad owners never win anything.
It wouldn't be the same without those winter games. The Vikings were legendary for playing in sub arctic conditions, and then they put them inside.
It just doesn’t make a lot of sense as a franchise owner. You pay to build a stadium and you want it filled to the brim for as many games as possible. -15 degree games are a net loss for the stadiums. Nobody really comes or buys anything. It’s an experience sure, but it doesn’t make a lot sense in practice. Ford field hosted two other teams games last season and got all their ticket and concession money. Maybe buffalo should just schedule the last few games of the year in Detroit
@@chandlerblachut3878you ever been to Buffalo? We don't give a shit about weather. We dive through lit tables. You think snow is a problem? Lol
Another thing you got to take into account is the culture. The buffalo fans love the cold weather advantage they have with their stadium.
Anyone calling for a dome is not a true Buffalo Bills fan
When Minnesota moved to a dome, I felt they lost their identity.
WTFC
@@timothymaynard8017
No they didn't
They still lose in the playoffs nothing changed
Wrong, bad weather only helps bad teams. The Bills are no longer a bad team so when it’s a Blizzard and the Bills can’t get the passing game going, the other team is going to take advantage of that. I’ve sat in the Ralph for over 20 years and there’s nothing worse than a going to a game (example 2017 when the Saints, a dome team beat the Bills 47-10 so there goes the “dome teams are worse off” rhetoric) and freezing your balls off. A dome could make the stadium useful during all seasons, unlike the current stadium which has had about 3 concerts in the past 15 years. It’s not just about the Bills, when we pay taxpayer money we should get something that’s worth it, not a sized down bowl that brings tickets to an absurd price, while they cater to the people willing to pay thousands of dollars to sit in the club sections indoors anyway. The no dome argument is invalid on all fronts.
I’m much more concerned with the wind for the players. Because of how it affects the passing game, and Orchard Park might be the most consistent bad weather stadium in the league if you also consider wind. Which is why I’m very happy there is such a focus on eliminating wind at the new stadium. Hopefully they have a good plan to get it to almost 0 (low as possible). Would be awesome.
Plus warm weather or dome teams having to come up to Buffalo in the winter are at a disadvantage
I’m glad the Bills new stadium is an open air stadium cause of the elements during the fall & winter. There’s way too many closed domed stadiums in the NFL already.
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Actually, there's only 9 (10, if you count SoFi Stadium)
That's one of the reasons why domed teams Rarely get to the super bowl
Left a Bills game once as it started to snow. By the time we got to the car, there was a foot of snow on the ground. By the time we were 10 miles down the highway it was 2 ft
And twenty miles south you would have seen grass. That lake effect is crazy
You completely failed to mention that playing in the snow is part of the team's identity. Fans don't want that changed.
Agreed. I remember Green Bay crying foul because they hosted the Bills in December... because the Bills stadium is just as much a frozen Tundra as Lambeau that time of the year taking GB's big advantage away from them...
Yup they polled us fans for what we wanted and we wanted outdoor, tailgate situation to remain the same, better stadium resistance to wind, and an authentic football experience.
Go make your own video then
Football indoors is inauthentic. Good for the Bills. Keep it real.
Agree. They have arena football for those who want indoor football. Personally, I think every team should be outside with natural grass. Apparently, that's just me, though.
The new Highmark Stadium, while not being a dome, will have a majority of the seats covered with better heating systems for those in the stands and on the team on the field. It will have a heating system for the field similar to that of Lambeau and KC. So yes it is outdoors but the elements likely won't affect the games like it currently does. It's a concession without going full in for a fixed roof.
Something that should be noted though is that the delays and relocations happened because of travel bans that were in effect more than snow preventing people from getting to and from the stadium. I do wish though in such cases they'd move the game to Syracuse University, which has a dome. I know the stadium falls short of the league mandated number of seats but would it hurt the bottom line too much for one game to be played there? Probably not and fans of the Bills in Syracuse would love it.
The snow is why the dome is prohibitively expensive due to the weight. To make it strong enough costs lots
Minnesota did a good job on their roof.
@@DebitAdams Minnesota is nothing compared to Buffalo, Buffalo is consistently ranked in the top 10 snowiest cities in the entire world, sometimes getting 10 feet or more dumped on top if it in a matter of 48 hours.
Buffalo can get buried and two hours away to the North Toronto can have sunny skies .
Ford Field
@@JoshDragRace0688 Siracuse has a dome.
If nearby Toronto gets an NFL Expansion Team or relocation then they will probably get a domed stadium.
Rogerz
Over a billion dollars, no dome and less seats than Orchard Park. SMH🤔
Forgotten place? Nope
Go Bills! 😎
Luckily we still have college football to continue outdoor stadium football. It is nice that Buffalo is staying outdoors. How many are left I wonder?
I just wanted it to be in downtown Buffalo...
Where are we gonna put it lol. Plus what about all the parking and hotels for it.
@@NMAZ716
The current Buffalo developers who own the property that the Bills were looking at attempted to hold the team and the state for a king's ransom to get that property.
So the Bills looked across the street at land already owned by the county and said, "What's worked for 50+ years should work for the next 50!"
@@NMAZ716 There's plenty of land there but the development company that owns it was trying to extort money from the Bills and the government(s). The location is tailor-made for a stadium and would have helped redevelopment efforts on the east side. Too bad commercial interests were so greedy. That land will continue to sit undeveloped likely for another 15-20 years, if not longer..
@@NMAZ716 so where are all of the hotels in Orchard Park?? Get a grip.
1:35 thank you for pronouncing Toronto like the locals do. The second T is silent :-)
In 2002 or ‘03, there was a snow cross race event held in the current stadium. I have been involved in snowmobile safety education since I was 18 and was asked to help on the infield. Standing on snow mounds on the infield watching racing sleds zip past me was one of the best moments I’ve had in that stadium. Go bills.
There have actually been 2 open air stadiums built since 2010. The Rams stadium has a canopy and is open air.
Doesnt count imo
But it still counts as a roof
The sides of SoFi stadium are opened so there’s an outside airflow into the stadium. The canopy only protects the field from any precipitation.
@@forgottenplaces9780 Technically it does. Both SoFi and the new Jags stadium can be affected by weather (rain can still get into the stadium through the open sides). Along with wind and lightning.
A game at SoFi was delayed due to lightning. That wouldn't happen at a true dome stadium, like the Superdome, AT&T, Ford Field, etc.
I wonder as more outdoor stadiums get replaced with indoor ones over time-even markets that don't need them, will there ever be so few outdoor stadiums (eg just packers, bills, panthers, NY and bucs most likely) that players will request as part of a new CBA that they not play outdoor games in cold weather. Especially as the league continues to exponentially grow in revenue.
Players want to play in cold weather between 20F and 50F with all that equipment on. I hated early season games when I played in high school.
What's crazy is that if the stadium was built just north of the Buffalo, it would receive a fraction of the snow. Just north of Buffalo is not impacted that much by Lake Erie lake effect snow.
I don't know. Football in the snow is a fabulous thing. I don't go to bills games, but I live in Toronto and am a big CFL fan, and Argos playoff games in the cold and snow by the lake are great. You dress appropriately and it's a great time watching cold weather football. You feel more a part of it. If I were to go to a bills game, I'd definitely want to go to one later in the season just for that cold weather football experience.
The stadium, even if outdoors, should arguably be 15 miles north of Orchard Park because that part of the county doesn't get lake-effect snow.
Lets be honest
The average fan is fickle
The owners want butts in seats so you build stadium where you can watch a game in comft
I am a Buffalo fan and I live outside Toronto .
The weather part you have a bit wrong . Buffalo is most exposed for the heavy winter storms in the front half of the winter.
The super storms you see are because Lake Erie water temperature is warmer than the air temperature. So the moisture gets picked up . Around Superbowl time , in February , winter is fairly average in Buffalo .
Second and I can say this with confidence . There are no tougher , friendlier and high spirited people than the people of Western New York and the loyalty they have for the Bills is unmatched.
A Superbowl in Buffalo would be twice as fun
I live by lake erie, and that is true if the lake freezes over, which many years esp lately hasnt
Very few Buffalo Bills fans wanted a dome stadium and even less wanted the new stadium built downtown. That's a fact. Bills fans love their tailgating. It's egalitarian. I've been to other stadia (or "stadiums") and it stinks that there is no grass parking lots in peoples front and back yards where you can party before and after the game in friendly confines of a suburban neighborhood. I'm pretty sure that tailgating was invented in Buffalo due to our stadium's location. We like it when it snows. Keeps the fair weather fans from attending the Bills games. Also, you mentioned Toronto. A sizable segment of Bills mafia are from the GTA and southern Ontario. It's out of towners who have never been to a Bills game are the loudest critics of Buffalo not having a dome. Football is game best played outdoors in the natural elements. Just dress warm when it's cold and stop crying a baby. And when the snow falls during the game cheer it on like every other Bills fan does.
Ok boomer
I am so grateful to be alive at a time when I can still see a football game played in snow. They will all eventually be domes and they won't even know what they are missing.
I think watching either college football or NFL games being played in domes are boring to watch on TV verses those same games being played outdoors will always make me watch those games instead of watching the dome games.
That’s super interesting that the weather there is so bad that playing a game that would otherwise be postponed would be dangerous for people to drive to.. but other than this, what about regular games, while it would be nice for both the fans and players to have a more controlled environment, would it also be easier/cheaper to maintain a domed stadium? Less rust, less plowing, etc?
Ok edit, I see another comment says the high cost would be in building a roof strong enough to hold the snow.. I think this is the real reason.
@@Where2bub The translucent roofs wouldnt be able to hold the snow. They would need to build a structure like US Bank Stadium which would probably cost 3bn in todays dollars. If they built the stadium in downtown Buffalo where the majority of the hotels are it may be viable.
Roof repairs on stadiums are incredibly expensive and with how heavy snow can be there would have to be regular repairs. Plus Buffalo fans just don't want a roof because we know that snow is authentic to Buffalo. Just look up the story about Bills fans shoveling out the stadium and shoveling out players houses
A big portion of the Bills fan base didn't want a dome stadium. That was also a factor. LIke Green Bay we are a true blue collar team and fanbase.
We think it gives the Bills a competitive advantage. Like Marv Levy said... 'When its too tough for them its just right for us'.
To each their own. I personally love going to football games at ford field. I only live 15 minutes from downtown Detroit. So I was able to catch a buffalo bills game for really cheap last year. Nothing beats standing out in the cold bitter winds in winter, then coming inside to a warm, windless building. It’s like a breath of fresh air. The fords should thank buffalo, they’ll take the free ticket and concession sales haha
I hate that the new stadium right off the bat is going to hold less people. I also don't like how you have to buy rights to the tickets.
pls has been a thing since the cowboys built their stadium. I thought they should have planed for a 65-68k stadium I feel that 62 is too small. even when the bills were bad they were filling the stadium until the last week or two of the season and by then who cared when they only have 5 victories.
Ya tickets are going to cost more then a trip to Disney world after its complete, the current NFL isn't sustainable.
I heard that people in Buffalo are so hardcore that they park their cars during a blizzard and walk to work.
Not by. Choice. Cars can’t go in deep snow.
I once cross country skied to work after a seven foot snow event.
Soft teams play "pretty-boy" football in domes. Real football is played in the elements.
Cold weather is a huge advantage for teams that play in that weather
Many of us Vikings fans were bummed when they left Met stadium in Bloomington which was also outdoors and nasty during the later part of the season; then went cheap on the HHH dome downtown, then played at UofM till now USBank was finished without ample parking (most park outside the city and take bus to events and even then pay $20.00 on up to $75.00 to park) is ridiculous when there was plenty of free parking at the old grounds back in the early years. Yes, the weather was tough at times, but we true fans found ways to enjoy that and it often was a major benefit to us as teams coming from sunbelt states hated our climate and wouldn't play as well as were used to in the warmer places. They can have USBank stadium and the MOA as far as I'm concerned; miss those days!
Rich stadium is still fine mad we are wasting
Money on a new stadium
Two different studies, one paid for by the Pegulas/The Bills and the other by Erie County, determined that the upper deck of Highmark Stadium, while currently safe, will collapse in roughly five years. Efforts have been taken to strengthen the upper deck but those are nothing more than a stop-gap measure from catastrophe happening within that five years. To do the work on the upper deck necessary, plus to meet current large venue guidelines of multiple exits from the field in case of emergency (which would require a complete redesign of the stadium) would cost almost as much as the new stadium and would only extend the current life of the stadium 15, maybe 20, years. That's not even taking into account the amount of rewiring and plumbing that would need to be done.
So it is a testament that a stadium opened in 1973 and undergone renovations has kept operating for 50+ years while enduring some of the worst weather conditions in the NFL. I currently live outside of Nashville, they opened their stadium in 1999 and are already replacing it. The Georgia Dome, built in 1992, was replaced just a few years ago. Cleveland is wanting a new stadium. Jacksonville is having theirs renovated. It's been rumored that both Carolina and Tampa want new stadiums. All of these were built within the last 35 years and, with the exception of Cleveland, exist in cities that experience decent weather (though I'm sure the salt air does a number on RJS). Can't forget FedEx field either needs replacing. So a 50+ year old stadium outlasting newer ones is great but it's at the end of its life. It's had a good life.
@@christophercole8114 Not only that. The current stadium was 100% tax payer funded. The new one is roughly 60% county/state tax payer funding. The stadium itself may not be the biggest job creator but the Buffalo Bills or any other NFL team certainly is. If the Bills left Buffalo and NYS. NY would lose a massive amount of liquor taxes, sales taxes on resteraunts, bars, clothing, merch from the entire region which includes Canadians from southern Ontario. The tax collected will pay off the stadium in a few years and after that taxes collected become pure profit for the state and the counties in the Buffalo region. As a downstater who lives one mile from the State of NJ and a Giants fan, I approve of taxpayer funds building the new stadium in Buffalo.
its a home field advantage for the bills to play outside. Chicago, Minnesota, and other cold cities should be outdoors too.
It's a home field advantage for any team to play at home, in that I can agree, but if you're suggesting that weather is an advantage, then that's a myth.
Weather does not provide an advantage. I don't recall an NFL team blaming a loss on weather while on the road. It's really about the depth of the talent, the game plan and which team makes the least mistakes.
There's been too many games in which a home team, with a alleged weather dynamic in full play, losing to a visiting team that plays in a different climate.
@@moonytheloony6516 "I don't recall an NFL team blaming a loss on weather while on the road." ua-cam.com/video/eE4-BcmNWN0/v-deo.html
@moonytheloony6516 warm city teams and teams that play in domes have a worse record in cold weather games. Rain and what not doesn't really seem to be a factor though.
So put all the domes in the South?
Your logic is a little flawed. Detroit has an indoor stadium, but they practice outside a facility in Allen park. So when Detroit plays greenbay in -15 degree weather at lambeau field they aren’t disadvantaged. Greenbay has the home field advantage sure. But Detroit gets to play in a climate controlled environment with no wind for 8 of its games, and they still can compete outside
I went to the Bills Stadium a couple of weeks ago and it was cold on a Sunday September afternoon.
As a fan, I wrote letter decades ago, the stadium needs to be between buffalo and rochester, and increase the less than "1 hour drive" population.
It's for the same reason they didn't put it in downtown... stupidity.
Downtown can't support a Bills stadium, the entire cities streets would need to be repaved, roads widened or even re-routed, not even sure its possible to fit the traffic and parking you would need down there, its already tough with the Sabres ffs, the city would be shutdown for Bills games just from the traffic.
It's a very old city for america which has kept a lot of its old architecture in-tact, it wasn't built to handle all them cars.
@@JoshDragRace0688 yeah… no. That’s such a BS response perpetuated by people that heard it from some other morons and couldn’t be bothered to think for 2 seconds so they ran with it. Every day, Monday thru Friday, more people go downtown to work than would fit in the stadium and we aren’t a carpooling city. The infrastructure is built for a much larger city because, shocker, we were once a much larger city. No streets would need to be touched, nothing widened, only perhaps a new entrance to the 190. The city handles Sabres games just fine, I’m there 44 nights a year. The issues for the Sabres is how they don’t stop pedestrians… ever. If one walks across the street, the police will let the next 18,000 walk in front of you. They don’t do any active traffic management.
@@apferrando Dude the roads downtown are like off-roading... ok bro. Where are they putting the new stadium exactly also?
@@JoshDragRace0688 next time, just say you’ve never been downtown instead of lying. Roads like off-roading. Hahahaha. And where? They already provided the where. The old Perry Projects. The Cobblestone district. The Central Terminal. All would be better.
Thank You!!
The broncos have played outdoors since 1960 and have won 3 super bowls and 12+ afc title games at home.. I’ve been to a broncos game where the temp was -4 with -22 degree windchill.. outdoor teams will always be superior to indoor teams.. ❤
Excellent.
Idk why a fan would rather sit in the cold and snow watching a game rather than be nice and cozy inside a dome.
The fan base is not just the Buffalo area, it’s all across the state. Not to mention the fans and the team aren’t afraid of the weather and we like an outdoor stadium!
Huge fan base out of Rochester.
@@johnliberty3647 Lots of fans across the whole I-90 corridor even as far east as Albany. Quite a lot of Bills Backers bars in the Capital region and I see more Bills jerseys/merch/car stickers/lawn flags/etc than I do for the Giants or Jets.
Go Bills!
I thought you would have said money first
That means every couple of years we get a bonus game in Detroit, so keep it in open.
Dallas will host another Super Bowl. They’re simply not on the NFL’s list of frequent SB venues led by Miami and New Orleans which get it every 10 years or less. Los Angeles and Las Vegas will almost certainly be added to that high frequency rotation.
We sold that stadium out when we were in the middle of the playoff drought!! Bill's fans show up and are dedicated!!
Open air stadiums are easier and cheaper to eliminate, monitor and to maintain a rodent free structure. Maybe the Buffalo Bills will decide that they're ready to have a rodent free stadium. It's not too late to eliminate 100% of the rodents from their current home. Every stadium owners should not accept delivery of a stadium from contractors until the structure is verified to be rodent free, period.
The point about corporate and sponsorship money or the lack of it is such a great point.
Watching football indoors is like watching baseball in a rainstorm
Buffalo wants a SB win before new stadium!😂
At the rate we're going, Buffalo weather will be like today's Miami in a few years!
So why get a stadium at all? Will this extortion of public funds ever stop?
To be honest, even when the Bills were terrible we were still filling the Ralph lol. The only thing that sucks is New Highmark is going to have like 10,000 less seats. I still feel like they would've been better off building the stadium closer to the city like over by the waterfront. The city of Buffalo has like very little reasons to go to it, pretty much everywhere you want to be is like outside of it (excluding KeyBank Center). From a developmental standpoint, it would've made sense to bring the new stadium closer to the city, but I think in their minds was the parking issue (which is taken care of by building the new stadium in the proximity of the old.) I'm just wondering if the prospect of new highmark revitalizes some of that area. I think all that's close-ish by is a community college, a Burger King and a car dealership, and a dead mall not too far around the corner lol.
This is a dumb post. There is many things in the city. Most of the great restaurants are in city. Over 50k work DT everyday.
You wouldnt need as much parking in downtown as there would be much better mass transportation to and from the stadium then there currently is. Especially leaving. Went last year to the SNF game v. Giants, it took almost an hour to let the buses depart.
When the Minnesota Vikings went inside, i knew they would never be the same again.
Jerry world in Arlington Texas is awesome.
There just isn’t any room downtown for it. Plus we need parking too which we struggle with enough.
The Main reason buffalo can't get a dome is obvious - money 💰🤑 - if they Were to be allowed to have a dome, that would affect the attendance, meaning - big dome - more money - fewer people going to games, (already Smaller than originally told) - essentially - instead of 70, 000 people, right now there will be only 62,000 - 18,000 less - pretty big numbers - add a dome - you will be lucky to get 60,000 - pretty small numbers - and a Big Reason why the boss will be shopping around for an owner with BIG POCKETS - mostly from Outside of buffalo
Don't take my word for it, crunch the numbers - figure it out
Playing regularly in cold weather can be a real advantage in the playoffs. Just see what happened to the Dolphins at Arrowhead last year.
Thank you Bills, play the game outside!
Football is an absolutely brutal blood sport. We are Rome, these are our gladiators. Conquering the elements is part of the game, really wish domed stadiums had been outlawed decades ago. I will admit, you cannot play an outdoor afternoon game in some place like Phoenix or Las Vegas in August. Play at dusk or dark under the desert stars, man has lived in the desert for thousands of years and knows you go take a nap under a shady rock during the heat of the day lol.
We will call that stadium Arrowhead East!
Dome itself will be expensive given the fact it's Lake effect snow which is 2x stronger than the average snowfall you would normally see in other places and it's jammed packed+more inches.
But you're kind of forgetting Snow itself is buffalos identity and unironically the infrastructure is only thing that you could possibly say 'no superbowls' but that's easily fixed in adding more hotels, roads etc. Buffalo is basically a sports city so they live and die by the snow as well.
I would however point out the majority of the NYS funds is one's seized in the Seneca Nation's Casino money so it isn't really NYS tax payers paying it other than the unexpected increase in cost by like 200 mil. (Also you do realize we get Tax state wide so NYC taxes are for the state as a whole as well). So don't believe what people are saying that everyone in the state is fronting the cost when the Governor found alternative in their ongoing dispute with the Seneca Nation.
It’s to the Bills advantage to play outdoors in the cold weather months especially against warm climate teams.
Just say that the Fans simply just do not want it....
Poor conditions is fun to watch but it is not conducive to fair gameplay. Every stadium should be a dome. Better gameplay. Better fan experience.
Also - because Pegula didnt want to pay for a dome. Source: an internal Bills employee.
The LA stadium should not have a roof. It's LA.!!!
It's not just football anymore. It's a large sports/entertainment venue that hosts many events.
Starting in December, you can get drenching rainstorms in Los Angeles. Later weeks and playoff games could be affected. A Super Bowl is more likely to be awarded if you have a roof, even in L.A.
@@DebitAdams So if it is so important than why did LA go SO LONG without a football team. Did someone one day wake up and figure out - hey, we have a lot of people here.???
@@marblox9300Because of Ownership issue,Staudim who is going to pay for it to be built,fighting between NFL owners of who have right to Los Angeles and if the NFL really want to go for 40 teams
I am more curious as to why the price tag of this stadium is so high, yet doesnt look very modern compared to others with the same rpice tag
Time. Costs go up dramatically every year. Inflation compounding means the same stadium built in ten years will cost twice as much
The new stadium will not be as open as the old stadium. Some kind of partial roof or something. I doubt it will get to 51 degrees below zero windchill like the Raiders game. The foam on my beer froze.
The Vikings lost their home field advantage when they moved into the Hubert Humphrey Metrodome.
Games get cancelled or moved from Buffalo due to weather because of hazardous road conditions for the fans coming to attend the games. A dome won’t prevent this from happening in the future.
Well its also due to the fact that the stad couldnt be cleared in time for a game as well
Bills need a done as an equalizer. Having that qb slowed by the weather and allowing opponents to stay in the game. Same issue Rodgers had in GB. How did he do at home in the playoffs????
Football got to cute. Its played in the elements. Heat rain snow sleet hail. Lol madden 2002
Snow loads...would drive up cost of some .by 2x
I wonder how long it will be before a Bills fan throws a rubber fist onto the field in the new stadium 😂
The NFL was against it also, they want the weather storyline.
I have no problem with the open stadium but why is its capacity under 70,000?
Money
Because the cold is an asset for the home team. Think Minnesota or Detroit. Minnesota used to be in the Superbowl all the time. And every single one of those were WITHOUT a dome. Since adding a dome, it's be zero times for each of them.
Just remember this, folks. There is only ONE NFL football 🏈 team in New York. The Buffalo Bills 🦬 (Village of Orchard Park, Erie County, New York). 😃👍
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The Canadian Population is not included in Buffalos market, add southern Ontario and Buffalos Market is vastly improved.
I just hope they dont fuck up da stadium with fake turf
It's getting heated grass
All the reasons brought up in this video are attributed to one party democrat rule in New York from local villages to the city of Buffalo and Erie County
@@nystroop lol
Kathy Hochul is from the Niagara River area, isn't she?
good.
Domes do not belong in the NFL outside of if you are in the middle of the literal desert where temps can get to 110.
Because the weather puts up more of a defense than the team.
Pegula just didn't want to pay for one.
The Bills' ownership has been one of the most free spending owners in our region's history.
He saved the franchise from other buyers who would have moved the team away from its home.
Muh snowy tradition
They’re not getting a dome stadium because they want to keep the fan experience
Go Bills 🦬
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@@Michael-sb8jf cool story bro
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I don't like dome stadiums. Top me the weather is part of the experience. Football is a fall and winter sport, the rain, cold, and snow is part of the experience whether you're in the stadium or watching at home.
I wish titans would do this too
We are Buffalo and we play football outside
Exactly Minnesota should have followed
Ice isn't stopping dallas from getting a Super Bowl. It is a garbage stadium in a garbage location. There is virtually no ADA access. I mean, there is, but waiting 3 hours for an elevator is asinine. There is cheap parking if you want to walk an hour. There is no where near enough lodging within walking distance. Crime is out of control. This stadium was built as a social event, not a spectator event. The fan experience at the Reds old riverfront stadium was better than jerry world.
Buffalo has died off as an "event city" because the cost of travel and lodging has gone up, and you said it: Toronto is 2.5 hours, Pittsburgh is 3.5 hours, Cleveland is 3 hours. We dont have the population, so who cares if we have to drive?
Wat da nite life like thurr?
Buffalo needs to play in the snow
the weather is a part of the game, rain, wind, sleet, snow, hot as balls gives the home team that advantage. the snow game vs Indy years ago was epic
You’re wrong on your first thing. We do have big concerts and tours here all the time. They just don’t play at the stadium. They go to Darien lake. There’s other places here than just the stadium. The actual reality is we already have a place for concerts and tours. You could have checked or just asked the locals man. Just saying.
I never said theres no concerts there, there arent stadium filling 50-70k crowd concerts there, garth brooks couldnt even sell out the bills stad and he sells out literally everywhere in many cases multiple shows