DEEPER 146 - How Old Is The Earth? w/ Dr. Hugh Ross & Dr. Michael Easley
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- Опубліковано 5 бер 2024
- We had the privilege of having Dr.Hugh Ross join us again to discuss all things creation and Genesis. We also invited our good friend Dr. Michael Easley to give us his thoughts and perspective on the topic, that offer a different viewpoint and interpretation. We invite our listeners to engage with this enlightening and thought-provoking exchange.
Dr. Hugh Ross www.reasonstobelieve.org
Dr. Michael Easley www.michaelincontext.com
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Hugh Ross although a born again man, I always seem to conclude is more Christ-like in his godly countenance and mannerisms than just about anyone I know. Lovely and meek with solid brilliance operating so beautifully in His Grace.
So true! The credibility of a person's argument is largely found in how they present it. It's one of the reasons if not the main reason, I find Ken Ham's arguments lacking
@@alomax92 "The credibility of a person's argument is largely found in how they present it" that is what con artists do.
@@aue82a maybe, unless your person is in Christ, then your explanation isn't possible
GOD IS TRUTH and HE WANTS us to know HIM. Dr Ross you understand the beauty of GOD. I am delighted to listen to you!!!Bravo!
High Ross is a national treasure
GOD has given Huge Russ a wonderful mind love his lectures. Just started watching his y tube lectures!!
I would pay money to see Dr. Hugh Ross go up against famous atheist Neil Tyson Degrasse. Mano a mano 👊Odds are on Dr. Ross by Knockout
why don't you just see what the facts say and decide if you still want to accept your mythical beliefs? you don't need tyson to learn what the scientific evidence says.
regretfully (or thankfully) Tyson is busy with reality. That is not to say that it would not be entertaining.
@@aue82a I saw a link where he has done that with Tyson.
NDT would be very respectful of Ross intelligence. NDT admits there is evidence for belief in God he just tries to say God is not good because of suffering.
@@aue82a actually Neil is probably afraid to because he knows little about the Bible as illustrated in ua-cam.com/video/op2epgYmwko/v-deo.html. Hugh is also an astro physicist who also knows the Bible and thus has both bases covered.
There are three people I wish I had in my hip pocket at all times: Hugh Ross, Stephen, Meyer, and James Tour.
James tour lies for a living.
Fascinating conversation! Thank you for having. All concur with a barely comprehensible God, and Biblical inerrancy. Let the interpretation begin!
Am a follower of Dr. Ross. He appeals to a STEM mind with logical and scientific explanation.
you need earth to have been created just for you to feel special
@@AMC2283ha. Try the entire universe
Hugh Ross is awesome.
Rick Smalley the Nobel prize-winning scientist on Nano technology who was once an atheist and came to faith very late in his life told James Tour, Hugh Ross is the smartest man I ever met. I would say he's one of the most humble as well. He is a God-given gift to the body of Christ, thank you Lord Jesus.
Hugh, I fear, will not be truly appreciated until after his passing..
I was just thinking of this. I hope that there are some young physicists learning from his fine example.
I've been listening to reading Hugh Ross for nearly 30 years. I've been studying the Bible for 45 years. I've gone to seminary and earned several degrees. In all that time, I've not seen anything to refute Dr. Ross's views. It honors Scripture and makes sense of the science we are continuing to discover. The "two books" is an amazing position to use employ in a discussion with atheists. Hugh is a gift from God. Not saying the other gentleman is not, but his reasoning is not as sound.
I wish I had the humility of Dr. Ross. I’m a physicist myself and I deal with this argument from YEC Christians online, “science can’t be trusted because it’s always changing”. I can’t hold my temper back. I end up telling them that they’re stupid and that they don’t know what they’re talking about because they’re not scientists and they don’t get it. Science doesn’t change. It just gets more and more precise with new discoveries. The mathematical models are modified in order to explain new phenomena that arise from more precise measurements. We are without excuse not because of hearing the word of God, but because God reveals himself through his creation. That is how I discovered God, I saw him staring back at me in the telescope and in the microscope.
For perspective, no matter how educated or our lot on earth, we are all equal through the Blood. When I see someone less fortunate I just remind myself, by the Grace of God, there go I.
Woe unto you scribes!
I truly believe math, chemistry, biology, science in general really are Gods language he wrote for us here.
Claiming that young earth creationists, don't know science is a hottie, an arrogant statement, brother. Maybe they disagree with you and have a different interpretation of the data,
If someone returned your insults by saying, you don't know science, you would be furious. I've watched countless debates. And in my well, educated and experienced mind, I've come to the opposite conclusion of you. That doesn't make me stupid.
And I know you're trying to claim intellectual honesty and saying that you enjoy Dr. Ross because of his humility.
So I'm glad you're attempting to turn over a new leaf. But have you ever even thought for one second that you possibly could be wrong about this?
Have you read any books by Henry Morris at all? Because I think he would rock your world.
@@askbrettmanning Yes sir, I have read all of Henry Morris's books. I used to be a YEC Christian with a fundamentalist Southern Baptist Church in a small country town in rural Indiana. I was inspired to become a scientist because I wanted to learn more about God's creation. However, I became disappointed while I was studying secular material in physics and astronomy because of the light travel problem and the laws of radioactive decay. I was stubborn and didn't want to accept the majority interpretation of the data. Instead of praying and searching the Bible for answers, I searched for other YEC scientists. I found Chuck Missler. I loved Chuck. Chuck introduced me to the book, "In Six Days: Why 50 Scientists Choose to Believe in Creation" by John F. Ashton Ph.D. Chuck also introduced me to Barry Setterfield and his work with the speed of light decreasing. As I studied Barry's calculations, I realized that he was ignoring the error bars in each of the light measurements beginning with Roemer in 1676 by his observations of the eclipses of Jupiter's moon Io. Barry concluded that the speed of light would have to be a billion times faster when God created the universe in order to circumnavigate the light travel problem. I'm a physicist and I know that general relativity indicates that if the speed of light was a billion times faster in the past that the cosmic microwave background radiation would be far different than what COBE detected. Furthermore with E=mc2, the energy level with light being a billion times faster would be way to high for stars and galaxies to form. I then started to look at Danny Faulkner and his theory to resolve the light travel problem, but Danny's concept of logic driven deduction based upon the one-way speed of light never being measured left me squinting my eyes as a leap of faith and not a scientific theory. I was left disappointed but I remained a YEC Christian by clinging to the belief that God can create in any way that he wants to and it doesn't matter if we understand it or not. Then I met Hugh Ross and through his humility and guidance, I started to look at the Book of Scripture instead of the Book of Nature. I studied all of the creation scriptures in Genesis, Job, and Psalms. Psalm 104 really made me reevaluate my YEC belief. Job 38 showed me a whole new way of interpreting Genesis 1:7. I then went to Hugh's Reasons to Believe website and consumed as much material as I could assimilate. Hugh showed me a whole new way to interpret Genesis 1 that changed my respect and awe at God's creation. I am not a patient man nor am I humble enough to debate my former YEC Christians. It took me over two decades to come to the point that I'm at now. You called me arrogant and suggested that I'm only trying to be intellectually honest. I apologize that my previous post came across that way to you. It was not my intention. I know that you said that you have listened to many debates, but that is not how you learn about the science. Debates are not fact checked, and even though Hugh tries to fact check Faulkner and Stinger while debating them he is limited by time. I have spent my entire life with my head buried in physics and astronomy books studying the science. Just because something sounds scientific doesn't mean that it is. One must look at the data objectively without bias.
Easly laughs every time ross says “I wrote an artical about this…”
He is a mam with wisdom and intelligence I should hope so please keep writing Dr Ross
Hugh Ross is the man!
a great debate. I'm always amazed at how much Ross knows...incredible.
Not much of a debate, more of a discussion, which I welcome.
Christ takes it Seriously. He says liars aren't getting into heaven. Evolution is lies. There's nothing that proves evolution. The more technology improves the more the bible proves the Bible is correct. And everything was created at the same time in 6 24 hour days almost 6000 years ago.
But What Hugh is saying that God loves to Greate and that makes sense to me he is What we call an Artist and in he's image is us.
We are God's "poema" in the Greek, His Masterpiece. ;-)
Easley was waaaaay out of his league in this conversation.
The great Hugh Ross comes through again..
Funny, they are asking Hugh Ross about the book of Job, while acting like Job's friends 🧡
Amen
That was good. Thank you. I want more Young vs. Old Creationists. Tend toward Young but seek truth.
I commend your honesty to seek truth, whether it agrees with your preconceived beliefs or not. I wish more people could admit they could possibly be wrong.
How do they explain the sin aspects that Adam was the first human to be created. Why would Moses have confused us. Problem is, there's no verse in the Bible saying that the there was anyone else before Adam. Peter doesn't refer to a pre-Adamic world he was referring to the days of Noah, at least that how I understand it. That would be the only mention of it if Ross is correct..
Mind you I haven't watched this but will soon, to see if the scriptures are made to fit or not..
@@Event_201 I don’t think your theology of the Bible is the one we should all have. We shouldn’t look at the Bible as an infallible book that describes every single thing about the world. We should view it as a compilation of multiple different books with each of their own genres and stories. If you take the Bible literally, you’re going to miss so much value of it. There are fables, myths, narratives, poems, parables, laws, wisdom, etc. The Bible wasn’t composed by one author with one underlying concept in mind, it was composed by multiple different authors across hundreds of years. Not all of them will have the same rhetorical goals. Genesis describes the creation and flood myth which was an etiology for explaining how humans came about, why snakes don’t have legs and why they’re dangerous, why women experience childbirth. The flood myth represents rebirth and the power dynamic between god and humans. If we take these forms of literature to be literal, we lose the intended meaning. The story of Adam’s and Eve was meant to show how humanity was good until we chose to disobey god and be punished to inhabit the world without him. As for old earth, we reached that conclusion with science. We can’t use the Bible to make presuppositions and make reality fit it. We should look at the world that exists and observe it to make conclusions. You forget, god made the world, he didn’t write the Bible. The world tells us that it’s very old and we shouldn’t make the facts conform to fit the Bible. We should reinterpret the Bible in ways that fit the world god made for us. Earth is gods creation, while the Bible is man’s word about god. Would you believe that god wants to deceive us by making the earth old, or do you think the ancient people have deceived us into thinking the earth is young. I trust in god, because he made the earth for us to inhabit and to learn.
@@obiwankenobi2520 You don't know my theology but if you don't understand the 6 days of creation & God Resting on the 7th, was also reference to when the Messiah would rule over the nations,
You haven't rightly divided the word.
You really so blind if you don't see what happening now, is setting the stage for the antichrist.. Then the Lord will return after the 7 year of tribulation. We're almost at that stage now, the mark 666 is being set up using Digital ID & currency. The chip will be in the body, no buying or selling is coming via the NWO that WEF are pushing.
2020 was the start of the agenda 2030 . The pushing of the vax was get ppl normalized with trusting govt.
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today.
The earth is not 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).
We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast.
Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".
The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours.
Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?
Another vote for Dr Ross.
Four Nobel prizes on the way! Amazing!
Dr Ross clearly dominated this debate. The other position was defended so weak, it’s hard to believe how this view is still so resolutely held - other than presupposition bias. Thank you Dr Ross.
I would say this was far too casual to call a debate; it's more like a discussion from differing viewpoints. Dr. Ross also had the floor far more than anyone else (which I don't mind, given how interesting and well spoken the things he had to say are).
4.543 billion years
Much older
Genesis 2:4 period . This scripture tells the reader that the “ Days “ are not 24 hours ! “ These (days) are the generations of the creation !
And the evening and the morning were the first day. Gen1v5
A generation is still not millions or billions of years. Things appear old. Most people think I’m around 45, but I’m 63.
Only God knows how old. But it is very very old, that is clear to me.
"When the gentiles who have no law, (practice by nature) the things in the law, it becomes a law to them."
I lean to young earth. But most important is that people believe Christ.
Amen to that. If you hold a gun to my head and make me choose, I would pick old earth. But it's indeed very interesting that "recorded history" is 6,000 years roughly.
And, carbon dating could very well be inaccurate. They carbon dated rocks from the Mt St Helens eruption in 1980. They knew the rock was 10 years old. But the carbon dating showed a few million years. And carbon dating science says that it's nearly impossible to accurately date things less than 50,000 years old.
In any case, God bless you, brother!
James Webb Space Telescope recently imaged a starburst galaxy Messier 82 (M82) It is located 12 million light years away, in Ursa Major. Looks incredible, and if it's 12 million light years away... 😀
I love science and the universe, but lean to young earth.
But it's not a hill to die on imo, the gospel of Christ is.
@@robbienl8176 Amen Jesus is everything. Sometimes people are taught YEC, and then study astronomy, astrophysics, and cosmology and learn the age calculated appears to be multiple billions of years old. What I have found people I know, is that it can have an effect of undermining faith.
I don't think it should. It is what it is, and if the Earth is very young, or ancient, it matters not - what matters is that God created, with intention, and incredible design. And He created us as humans in His image and loves us.
We have the opportunity to observe (JWST, Hubble, NuSTAR) galaxies forming millions of light years away - that's a glimpse of God's creative genius at work. No matter where we look in the universe or deep into a cell with a microscope, we see as Hugh Ross said, the "fingerprints of God."
@@NickB1121after looking it up, it wasn’t carbon dating, it was potassium-argon. Additionally, the lab they tested it at specifically stated that samples under 2 million years old would not produce accurate results. The researchers who tested it were young earth creationist and probably clever enough to know this. It seems as though there was bias in his research, as there tends to be with young earthers.
Great share/talk thankyou
Hugh Ross #1
My money is with H.R
What delightful man !
For some YECs, the several recreation events pose a problem. They deny death exists in the past. Death only started from the Fall. That’s a headache for them.
No where in the Bible does it sat that
Ya know before people comment Online they should watch this debate/conversation. THIS is how it should be done.
Radiometric dating isn’t refuted in the debate club
Dr easly ( sp) continually interrupts and tries to redirect the discussion without acknowledging dr Ross points.
It appears to me that dr ross has a depth and breadth of knowledge and a depth of compassion that is pursuading. his brilliant summary of radio isotopes and carbon 14 background error. What a God we get to serve. Ed
Multitudes in the Old Testament received forgiveness of sins and life eternal WITHOUT KNOWING WHO THE MESSIAH WAS, "UNTIL THEY DEPARTED THEIR BODIES." THEN THEY MET THE OBJECT OF THEIR JUSTIFICATION, HIM.
It would be easier to receive Easley’s point of views if he didn’t laugh at a brilliant God-fearing man like Hugh.
Yes, you laugh when you have lost an argument
At 12:13 “Steven Gould’s Darwin’s Doubt”? Steven Meyer wrote it.
Excellent ,I I WISH ALL THE STUDENTS WILL HAVE A CHANCE TO SEE THIS. LIKE THEY'RE EXPOSED TO DARWIN EVOLUTION THEORY.. I REALLY ENJOY IT GOD BLESS YOU GUYS
We are wiser than we think, This world teach us to learn knowledge, knowledge fall because Lucifer instead of love
Funny thing is is that all the dating methods assume the scientific method used isn't merely reporting the same error, due to variables unknown.
The age of the Earth, as determined by radiometric dating techniques, is approximately 4.54 billion years old12. This estimation is based on the decay rates of radioactive isotopes found in rocks and minerals on Earth and from meteorites. These methods measure the proportions of different isotopes, which decay at a predictable rate, allowing scientists to calculate the age of the samples.
Radio spectroscopy, specifically, has been instrumental in astronomical observations, but it is not directly used to determine the age of the Earth. Instead, it has helped in the discovery of cosmic phenomena, such as the 21-centimeter H I line, which is important for understanding the structure and dynamics of our galaxy3.
The age of the Earth is a result of extensive research using various radiometric dating methods, including uranium-lead dating, which has provided consistent results pointing to the Earth being over four and a half billion years old
Why do most Christians today try to forget the only commandment that God said to "Remember"? If all Christians believed and followed that commandment, Evolution never would have gotten started.
I'd love to know what Dr. Ross thinks of the documentary Is Genesis History? on Prime.
It is very sad.
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today.
The earth is not 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).
We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast.
Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".
The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours.
Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?
There is a scripture particle that says, " ages without end ". I think that goes into the future but also comes from the past.
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today.
The earth is not 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).
We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast.
Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".
The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours.
Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?
I'm enjoying this talk immensely. Particles do one thing when looking and another when not? Is this not the mystery that we can't know everything.
Does anybody know of anyone who has spoken about the apparent preexisting water in the Genesis account.
Dr. Ross addresses that in many of his books: the original conditions on earth were darkness because of a thick atmosphere and water covering the earth and the Spirit of God hovering over the water.
Sola scriptura. Phillip asked the eunuch if he understood the scripture he was reading, and he replied, "Sure, I believe in sola scriptura."
What irks me about YEC proponents is the inference that ALL other views are at odds with the Bible. I have looked at the various views, and I have not made up my mind, but I must admit that the YEC crowd are way too dogmatic and shoehorn their ideas into the Biblical text.
If Adam was not created in a day, so how long was he created then?
HOW RELIABLE ARE STRONGS,THAYERS AND YOUNG’S CONCORDANCES.? Which is most reliable? Is there something more reliable?
It's not that the science is wrong, it's the scientists adding assumptions to make their philosophy correct. Much of the science is based on many assumptions.
Basically, the more we find out the more we know we don't know.
The age of the Earth, as determined by radiometric dating techniques, is approximately 4.54 billion years old12. This estimation is based on the decay rates of radioactive isotopes found in rocks and minerals on Earth and from meteorites. These methods measure the proportions of different isotopes, which decay at a predictable rate, allowing scientists to calculate the age of the samples.
Radio spectroscopy, specifically, has been instrumental in astronomical observations, but it is not directly used to determine the age of the Earth. Instead, it has helped in the discovery of cosmic phenomena, such as the 21-centimeter H I line, which is important for understanding the structure and dynamics of our galaxy3.
The age of the Earth is a result of extensive research using various radiometric dating methods, including uranium-lead dating, which has provided consistent results pointing to the Earth being over four and a half billion years old
@@chrismartino3519
Assumed. Everything is assumed. Not sure what you are missing. Everything is based on pre-suppositions.
There are plenty of other qualified scientists that have many other differing opinions.
@@stewartpink3117 go to any national park in the USA and they'll tell you the sediment there is millions of years old not 6000 years old. You can measure ice on Antarctic, measure rocks all kinds of ways to measure the Earth's age. A scientist that says the Earth is 6000 years old would be laughed out of the Chem lab. Just do a little bit of studying reality and less time studying fantasy and the world we be a much better place.
@@chrismartino3519
Based on what?
Scientific observation?
You're one of those guys it's easy to fool the hard to convince there have been fooled.
@@stewartpink3117 ions in atom decay over time.. that time can be measured. those measurements are in the millions years. The laws of physics have been proven true both thru observation and mathematicallly.. A fool is the one that says 2 + 2 does not equal 4 which is clearly your world view. You've been lied to. Why not get some science skills so you know what's real and what truth is.
Science also came from god John 1 to11 Psam147 ,4 psalm : 1to6 psalm53 : 1 psalm 8. : 3to5 job 26 : 7to 13. Proverbs. 3 : 19 psalm89 : 48 our god great engineer
Dr. Ross,Is there a distinction between a cosmological clock and an Earth clock? I suspect that the conditions during the Creation and the rapid expansion of the universe introduced complex time dilation effects that we do not yet fully understand. I propose that both 13.8 billion years (cosmological time) and approximately 7,000 years (Earth time) could be correct. This would depend on a more complete understanding of time dilation, particularly under the extreme conditions of the Big Bang and its rapid expansion.
Read the Bible:
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today.
The earth is not 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).
We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast.
Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".
The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours.
Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?
I thought the statement about the dog kind was a great thing to talk about and the genetics and speciation in a short time period that was observable. But Ross seemed to almost brush that off and think of it as an anomaly. But if we look at all animals we see it maybe not to that huge of an extent but it's there. And doing it naturally over a few thousand years isn't that hard to believe. We even see hybridization naturally and new species now that pop up in short periods of time.
As I listen to many scientists physicists cosmologist microbiologists and theologians who have all different views on what reality is and how it got here.
God is not the author of confusion, and yet even the most scholarly Christians argue about the very fundamental tenets of the Christian faith. Therefore no God.
@@markb3786
I would agree God's not the author of confusion. He's not confused about what he did, but men seem to not be able to get things right whether it's about God or the origins of the universe.
The part about the physical sciences that they're only taking consideration material things.
They disregard all the other science is that except the real possibility.
Not trying to be snarky...But...does Hugh know that shirts come in colors other than blue? Just wondering...
Wonderful. Thank you. My view: God could have done everything in the thinnest slice of an attosecond or over billion of years. I do think that God rested from creating new life on Earth on the 7th day and that we are still in the 7th day of Genesis creation. And the 7th day of creation implies the days of creation in Genesis are longer than 24 hours or even thousands of years. Thanks again.
About 6000 years. That's why there are unmineralized dinosaur bones -- the original biological material of the animals, and soft tissue, and C14 in the same, as well as C14 in oil, coal, diamonds fossils which would not be there anymore if those things were really millions of years old.
So, millions of scientists all around the world are either wrong or lying. Which one?
Carbon 14 (C14) is formed by the collision of a neutron with Nitrogen 14 (N14) thus knocking out a proton and retaining the neutron similar to a classic billiard ball collision with reverse English being skillfully applied to the cue ball. C14 is formed constantly due to physical and chemical interactions with cosmic ray particles colliding with the Earth’s atmosphere. Every second over 100,000 cosmic ray particles collide with one square meter of Earth’s atmosphere. These cosmic ray particles come from supernovas and other astronomical events and consist of atomic nuclei and nucleons, such as protons, neutrons, and helium. They are mostly made of protons (89%), which are the nuclei of hydrogen, the most common element in the universe. Cosmic rays also contain 10% helium nuclei and 1% heavier nuclei, including uranium. The same process of high energy nucleons interacting with Nitrogen takes place in the mantle of the Earth too; thus, forming C14 within the mantle. So, how does C14 get into diamonds? By the same process that occurs in the atmosphere. Through subduction of the ocean floor, Nitrogen is introduced to the mantle and through the radioactive decay of Uranium and Thorium within the mantle high energy nucleons are created which interact with the Nitrogen thus forming C14 within anything that contains Nitrogen within the mantle. Diamonds and graphite are formed in the mantle. The most common impurity in the growth of diamonds is nitrogen. Nitrogen gives the appearance of yellow or brown hues, Boron is responsible for blue hues, plastic deformation can cause pink hues and irradiation can result in green hues in diamonds. High energy nucleons pass through the carbon matrix of diamonds and interact with the Nitrogen impurities thus forming C14 all throughout the growth of the diamonds from start to finish; therefore, it is common to find a small amount of C14 that had been formed within the last 10,000 years of the diamond’s growth process. Nitrogen makes up 78% of the atmosphere; therefore, it's everywhere on the surface of the Earth, in the crust and in the mantle. The soft tissue in dinosaur bones that you mentioned was discovered by Mary Schweitzer. They were not 'unmineralized dinosaur bones', they were soaked in an acid bath that demineralized them after 7 days. It is an intriguing discovery. However, in no way does it refute all of the data collected by geologists, archeologists and paleontologists over the last two centuries. Mary Schweitzer herself, a professed Christian, said that it forces scientists to reexamine the process of fossilization, not that it completely upends all of geology and paleontology.
No, you have bad info.
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today.
The earth is not 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).
We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast.
Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".
The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours.
Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?
@@djsarg7451 You are reading things into the text that are just not there.
"Morning and evening were the first day" means a 24 hour day. Same goes for the following days of creation, followed by the 7th day of God's rest. We know this, not just from the clear creation account, but also from Exodus 20:11 where we get our 7 day week. Nobody works for 6 million years and has a rest for 1 million years. "6 days" means 6×24 hour days.
The Bible teaches the earth is about 6000 years old through the line of descendants from Adam to Noah, and from Noah to Jesus, who we know existed about 2000 years ago.
And "day" in "In the day that the Lord made the heavens and the earth" (Genesis 2:4) means "when" or 'in the era', as in "back in the day" or "in my father's day", and has nothing to do with a timespan.
The oldest stars we see is roughly 6000 years old. And ones that are farther we can't see yet.
So take the years away times the speed of light 186000 miles per second. This is the 2 way speed of light so it could be substantially faster upon later technology.
Times this speed by the amount of seconds in 6000 years
There are 31536000 seconds in a year
So this means there are
189,216,000,000 seconds in 6000 years
So take that number and times it by the current speed of light.
3.5194176000000000E16 miles away.
The moon is said to be 238900 miles away
So a star that is 6000 light years away is equal to going to the moon
147,874,689,075.6 times.
Really think of that
I think for me, the young Earth creation theory fit better with my thinking because the alternative for a long time was evolutionary billions of years. Billions of years, theistic creation is something I will think on. I'm not adverse to it because I think God can create anything to be any age, but God is also outside of space and time, so billions of years are nothing to Him. It isn't something that rocks my faith, but it does give me more to think on, and that's exciting because I think people who worship Science will come to find God the more they study.
Yes,i think you make two great points,we are talking earth time,and the heavenly realm of spirit beings is outside of that,so in their time frame just a few days maybe for creative activity?
We already know that time dilation when close to large masses is real in this universe,we humans have a problem with long creation time,he does not.We shouldn't have a problem we were all asleep!!
Secondly,i also believe that honest and truthful study of laws of physics,and the phenomenon that gives,will dovetail beautifully with the bible,both books have the same source,and tell the truth.
Well expressed lady
The age of the Earth, as determined by radiometric dating techniques, is approximately 4.54 billion years old12. This estimation is based on the decay rates of radioactive isotopes found in rocks and minerals on Earth and from meteorites. These methods measure the proportions of different isotopes, which decay at a predictable rate, allowing scientists to calculate the age of the samples.
Radio spectroscopy, specifically, has been instrumental in astronomical observations, but it is not directly used to determine the age of the Earth. Instead, it has helped in the discovery of cosmic phenomena, such as the 21-centimeter H I line, which is important for understanding the structure and dynamics of our galaxy3.
The age of the Earth is a result of extensive research using various radiometric dating methods, including uranium-lead dating, which has provided consistent results pointing to the Earth being over four and a half billion years old
Hugh does not belive in evolution.
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today.
The earth is not 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).
We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast.
Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".
The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours.
Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?
@djsarg7451 I never said Hugh believed in Evolution.
What I said was that from my perspective that you either believed in young Earth creation or you believed in old earth Evolution. Millions of years = everything evolving from sludge nothing over time.
Hugh's old earth creation without Macro Evolution is new to me and something I am interested in learning more about.
@@Tamdel Thank for the reply and clearing up about Hugh. But, Millions of years = everything evolving still is not correct.
Plus the Bible does not teach young Earth .
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today.
The earth is not 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).
We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast.
Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".
The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours.
Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?
Thank you for your thoughts. We hear about the speed of light and the 4th day, but we don’t hear much about the possibility of the speed and motion of space itself. Does space move as water currents wherein light is traveling as plankton in ocean water? What was happening in the physical universe in Genesis 1:2? What does Genesis 1:2 imply to our finite scientific reasoning? (finite fools think therefore infinite is not?) How can you measure your speed in an ocean full of currents when you don’t have a single point of reference? Therefore our only true point of reference is God Himself.
The age of the Earth, as determined by radiometric dating techniques, is approximately 4.54 billion years old12. This estimation is based on the decay rates of radioactive isotopes found in rocks and minerals on Earth and from meteorites. These methods measure the proportions of different isotopes, which decay at a predictable rate, allowing scientists to calculate the age of the samples.
Radio spectroscopy, specifically, has been instrumental in astronomical observations, but it is not directly used to determine the age of the Earth. Instead, it has helped in the discovery of cosmic phenomena, such as the 21-centimeter H I line, which is important for understanding the structure and dynamics of our galaxy3.
The age of the Earth is a result of extensive research using various radiometric dating methods, including uranium-lead dating, which has provided consistent results pointing to the Earth being over four and a half billion years old
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today.
The earth is not 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).
We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast.
Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".
The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours.
Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?
At 1:13:30 speaking of the infinite God, Dr. Michael Easley asks, "What was God doing for the last trillion years [before the creation]?" There was no trillion years. Since Einstein, we know time is a property of this creation. Time, space, energy, and matter were all created at the same instant. Young or old Earth, there was no time before the creation of our Universe.
I like Dr. Michael Easley's "island thought experiment," however, the Bible says the creation itself is a testament of God. "The Heavens declare the Glory of God!"
I have always believed the Bible. As I grew older and understood more, I saw how science confirmed the Bible. I also believe the Bible clearly states a six day creation. And 4000 years since Adam is what Jesus believed. We have a genealogy that goes back to Adam 6000 years ago. So, I’m going to continue to believe that God is all powerful, and knows what has happened, as well as what is happening today and the future.
The Earth is exactly 4.54 billion years old. This has been proven many ways. One of the ways is called radio spectroscopy. This is the study of how electrons are distributed around the nucleus in an atom. Using radio spectroscopy on earth rocks indicates the age of the rocks and thus the Earth. These conclusions are as indisputable as 1 + 1 = 2. If you don't understand the science behind it there are many courses you can take to learn. Don't waste your time with fantasy when facts are readily available
" I saw how science confirmed the Bible" You may need a new prescription for your spectacles.
The assumption that the genealogies in scripture are exhaustive rather than indicative would seem to lead to that conclusion, but if God created the earth and the universe in such a way as to mislead people in regard to its origin, then we've got a problem with his righteousness, and the people of Romans 1:20 would have an excuse.
How?
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today.
The earth is not 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).
We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast.
Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".
The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours.
Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?
The repetitive grammar of a day and a night day one a day and a night day two makes the explanation inescapably a 24-hour period. But how could the 7th day possibly be terminated thus?! It can't! God continues His rest!
why do we NOT see even ONE creation event? if there were BILLIONS.
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today.
The earth is not 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).
We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast.
Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".
The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours.
Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?
The problem with trying to shoehorn into the text something that supports our modern western views is that the writer wasn't even thinking in those terms. Nor was God. When you open the Bible, you're looking at an ancient text that makes a series of truth claims; it's not about linear order, logical dependence, time measurements, cause/effect, or who struck John. It's not about any of that, so trying to make it something it wasn't meant to be is to run in circles and never get to any consensus.
You also have the problem of translating from one language into another. Words can be approximated, or even exactly rendered. But meaning is more than just the words used to transmit it. "He rubs me the wrong way" can be translated into any language, but if you're from a culture and time period that doesn't use that phrase, how would you ever understand it?
We are 3,000 years removed from the author(s), and their worldview wasn't ours. If you asked them if they were using a "historical, literal, grammatical hermeneutic," they'd just walk away. They told stories, constructed narratives, related their readers to things contemporary to them, not to us. Unless we have the ancient Jew living in our heads, we're going to go off in directions they wouldn't know.
If God created the universe before or during day one. Then what happened on day four?
I'm really wondering what the old earther's possition is on this. 👍
On Day 1 the Bible states, “Let there be light”. Genesis 1:3.
On Day 4 the Bible states "Let there be lights". Genesis 1:14.
In both examples, the Bible does not state that God “Created” or made the light / lights at this point.
The words Create (bara) nor Made (asah) are not used here.
The text simply states, “let there be.”
The Hebrew word for made (asah) in Genesis 1:16 is in the verb form that denotes completed action. Genesis 1:16-18 are parenthetical statements that indicate that the sun, moon, and stars had been made sometime in the past.
IN THE BEGINNING!
Several Bible translations wrongly add the words “and” and “then” to the beginning of verse 16 causing problems.
Why allow these lights, Sun, and Moon, to be seen now on Day 4?
To mark for "seasons", "days" (24 hours), and "years".
Again, why?
The animals to come after day 4 need them for migration, hibernation, etc.
The language also “implies” that these lights were not visible prior to this day / period of time.
It does NOT mean that the Sun and Moon were “not” there.
Ever get a sunburn on a cloudy day when you could not see the Sun?
Does the Sun need to be visible for solar radiation to permeate a translucent atmosphere and allow for microbial life and photosynthesis?
We know that the oxygen level of the Earth increased changing the atmosphere from translucent, can’t see the Sun or Moon, to transparent, where you can see them both.
This transformation in visual clarity caused by an increase in oxygen in the atmosphere has been proven in the lab
The solar system is completely dependent on the gravity from the Sun.
It is impossible for a solar system to form if the Sun did not exist until the fourth day.
Plants need the Sun for photosynthesis.
Land plants came on day 3, right?
Did fruit trees sprout from seedlings to mature fruit bearing trees in less than 24 hours on Day 3? - No.
No, Day 3 has to be longer than 24 hours.
In fact, we now know that land plants came 1.2 billion years ago.
Sea animals (Avalon explosion) came 575 million years ago.
Plants were abundant on land, ~600 million years before sea animals.
Source:
a) L. Paul Knauth and Martin J. Kennedy, “The Late Precambrian Greening of the Earth,” Nature 460 (August 6, 2009): 728‐32, doi:10.1038/nature08213
b) Paul K. Strother et al., “Earth’s Earliest Non-Marine Eukaryotes,” Nature 473 (May 26, 2011): 505‐09, doi:10.1038/nature09943.
Land Plants came before sea animals is clearly documented in Genesis 1:11 & 1:20 written some 3500 years ago!
The Bible has been scientifically proven correct again!
Let there be light, the world create is not there.
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You have some frame of reference wrong. Also Genesis is not the oldest book of the Bible, Job is, so to understand Genesis, must read Job first. 1) Biblical Hebrew has a smaller vocabulary than English. In biblical Hebrew, there is no word for universe. Instead, the Hebrew phrase that is translated “the heavens and the earth” is used to refer to the universe-the entirety of physical reality. The phrase is used thirteen times in the Old Testa , always referring to all matter, energy, space, and time in the universe. 2) The Genesis says "let there be light", the word create is NOT in the text. Job tells us what is "let there be light". Job 38:9 when I made the clouds its garment and wrapped it in thick darkness. The cloud make it dark, Genesis 1:2 tells you the frame of reference above the waters on Earth. So the two tell use the cloud went from dark to lighter. The clear sky does not come till " moon to mark the seasons" now with have blue sky.
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today.
The earth is not 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).
We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast.
Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".
The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours.
Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?
It was the "appearance of age" in so many aspects of creation that finally caused me to stop with the young earth view. I could not square God building deceit into His creation. Like he painted a masterful Trompe L'oiel ceiling over our heads to fool us when we were able to figure enough things out. When I came to that cul-de-sac I had to say, look, maybe we took a wrong turn if our understanding requires us to see God as the ultimate Special FX artist or a cosmic counterfeiter. I had to conclude that the fault was in our understanding rather than attributing deceit to our Creator God.
appearance of age -= God lie and deceived. NO!
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today.
The earth is not 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).
We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast.
Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".
The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours.
Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?
Paul caught up to the third heaven...more than one heaven🤔
I have always thought that the time descrepency issue could be resolved by what we know now as time dialation...god was creating faster than the speed of light...from everything within what was bieng createds point of view billions of years passed...someone that is good at adding numbers to letters could figure it out
When you run the Lorentz transformations, you quickly discover that's not how time dilation works. In fact time dilation observed in supernovae within the Hubble flow as well as the damped random walk in quasars during cosmic noon confirm the FLRW/ΛCDM model for the expansion history of the universe and point to an origin about 13.8 billion years ago.
Speed of light as not changed.
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today.
The earth is not 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).
We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast.
Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".
The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours.
Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?
so it's cosmic rays not allowing us to live 900 yrs, not the breaking down of the world due to sin and things getting worse not better due to sin?
Correct , man living several hundred years reaches his total depravity point from his sinful nature,God in his perfect timing uses the laws of physics, knowing in advance where and when man would be in this stage of fallen chose to use cosmic rays to limit human life span.
@@Terrylb285yep, I think the same way, he’s using things to produce the results he says he wants, he wrote a story with his mind in a way, and this is that story.
Lord Jesus did signs. He showed humans SIGNS. And this is before the rest of the word was written. What would have happened if He showed humanity no SIGNS?
He said to the Pharisees, you see the sky (cosmology) at evening and say, it's red, tomorrow good weather (a sign from nature), and in the morning you say it's red and lowering (a sign from nature) bad weather. He then COMMENDS THEM BY SAYING, YOU CAN DISCERN THE WEATHER BY (BY THE SIGN IN NATURE) THE FACE OF THE SKY, BUT HOW IS IT YOU CANNOT DISCERN THE SIGN OF THE TIMES? They saw a SIGN IN THE HEAVENS AND NEW SOMETHING WAS TRUE THAT THAT SIGN POINTED TO. LORD JESUS USED NATURE TO REVEAL TO THE PEOPLE HIMSELF. NOW WE HAVE ROMANS "THE HIDDEN THINGS OF HIM ARE CLEARLY REVEALED BY THE THINGS SEEN (NAMELY, HIS POWER AND DIVINITY) THAT THE THINGS SEEN (THE PINE TREE) DO NOT EXIST BY THE THINGS THAT APPEAR (THE PINE TREE), SO THEY ARE WITHOUT EXCUSE (THAT GOD MADE ALL.)
THE EXPANSION OF THE UNIVERSE IS A SIGN, LIKE THE PINE TREE, AND THE RED SKY. (ALL A REVELATION TO THE MIND BY NATURE.) NOTHING BUT SCRIPTURE IN CONTEXT.
And now atheist scientists are seeing the SIGNS in the heavens that declare God made all. They see and admit
THE SIGN OF EXPANSION! IF THEY DO NOT WANT TO HEAR THE GOSPEL, BUT SEE THE EVIDENCE IN THE HEAVENS THAT POINT TO GOD, THEN THAT CAN (AND HAS BROUGHT MANY) TO HEARING THE GOSPEL, AND SAVED MANY.
REMEMBER, MILLIONS WERE SAVED IN THE OLD TESTAMENT AND NEVER KNEW THE OBJECT OF THEIR JUSTIFICATION UNTIL THEY LEFT THEIR BODIES. They NEVER HEARD THE GOSPEL "AS WE THINK AND DEMAND IT SHOULD ALWAYS BE PREACHED. THEY NEVER EVEN HEARD THE NAME "YASHUA." ONLY 1 PERSON HAD THE GOSPEL preached to them , and even then, no mention of Lord Yeshua., bit saved by grace through faith, justification to life , and Christs imputed righteousness. GALATIONS says God preached the gospel to Abraham. But not anyone else in the Old Testament. Yes they were justified by grace through faith when they believed God, and accounted as righteous. But not one KNEW THE OBJECT OF THEIR SALVATION UNTIL THEY LEFT THEIR BODIES.
We could be inside a giant air bag. There is no proof that it didn't inflate as fast as a supplemental restraint system in a car. Just because light travels at a certain speed, and it takes light billions of years to travel the distances inside the air bag to objects far from us, doesn't mean it took them billions of years to be created or end up where they are now relative to our position.
There's plenty of proof we're not inside a giant air bag.
God breaks laws of physics in the OT & NT. He tells nature what to do, He made good wine immediately instead of a long time, He made the sun go backwards and made decayed people come back to life. We don’t need a long time to have what we need. He says with reference to creation days that the Sabbath is patterned after the days of creation. For in six days God created the heavens and the earth and rested on the 7th day. So, we should wait 60 millions of years and then rest for 10 millions? He needs to reconcile that.
Dr. Ross is so patient when Easley tries to argue, absurdly, that just because God does miracles therefore we can't know anything. Easley is civil, charitable and respectful and should be commended for that. But his argument is frustratingly obtuse.
If God made me a rock and placed the rock in my hand. Scientists could look at the rock and then they would determine the rock is millions of years old. Can you see? God is not subject to time.
But then he couldn't say in Romans 1:20 that they're without excuse. "being clearly understood by the things which were made"
18:15 not vapor,ice , if you build a structure on Jack's all the way around the world at the equator say 50 feet high then remove the Jack's simultaneously ( assuming an absolute rigid structure) witch way will it fall.
Down
@@lafenelson3212 everywhere is down, try again.
Do you honestly expect me to believe you've never heard of up? Up isn't down.
@@lafenelson3212 u.r. missing it, if there is a ring around the earth 🌎 and one part falls down the rest of it goes....up?, or are you a flat earther,?
I'm not the one claiming everywhere is down. The entire structure would collapse because internal stresses caused by gravity would fracture it. This isn't particularly difficult to understand.
Is the Earth 15, 000 years or is it 5, 000 years I think the answer is yes to both for the simple reason that time is speeding up. Think of this way. You are in a spaceship. You go out so far at a given speed and return only to discover your generation has disappeared from the face of the Earth Maybe by 400 years. Well skip the spaceship because the Earth is that spaceship if the universe is expanding out. In other words time is speeding up for everybody and there are multiple even eschatolgical examples in the Bible reflecting that.
for a old earth....how does one know the sample has not been contaminated....
The age of the Earth, as determined by radiometric dating techniques, is approximately 4.54 billion years old12. This estimation is based on the decay rates of radioactive isotopes found in rocks and minerals on Earth and from meteorites. These methods measure the proportions of different isotopes, which decay at a predictable rate, allowing scientists to calculate the age of the samples.
Radio spectroscopy, specifically, has been instrumental in astronomical observations, but it is not directly used to determine the age of the Earth. Instead, it has helped in the discovery of cosmic phenomena, such as the 21-centimeter H I line, which is important for understanding the structure and dynamics of our galaxy3.
The age of the Earth is a result of extensive research using various radiometric dating methods, including uranium-lead dating, which has provided consistent results pointing to the Earth being over four and a half billion years old
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today.
The earth is not 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).
We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast.
Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".
The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours.
Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?
I've listened to one who believes it's a literal six day period.
How, what?
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today.
The earth is not 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).
We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast.
Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".
The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours.
Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?
JWST has scientists thinking that the universe is close to 20 billion years old now.
One or two who have misinterpreted the data are making that claim for clicks from people who haven't studied star-forming in galaxy mergers, but no serious cosmologists takes these claims seriously.
No.
New things must just be studied and understood. New things need to be peer reviewed. We have the Hubble telescope, and Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP). These tools and other tools have measured the universe. The universe (time, space, and matter) came into existence 13.813 (±0.038) billion years ago
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today.
The earth is not 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).
We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast.
Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".
The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours.
Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?
The angels were created before the physical universe(Job 38:7). The sin of the angels which left their first estate(Jude 6) is what caused Genesis 1:2. The gentleman at 50:12 identified this. Genesis 1:2-31 is the recreation of the earth making it habitable for man. David calls it the renewal of the earth(Psalm 104:30).
The age of the Earth, as determined by radiometric dating techniques, is approximately 4.54 billion years old12. This estimation is based on the decay rates of radioactive isotopes found in rocks and minerals on Earth and from meteorites. These methods measure the proportions of different isotopes, which decay at a predictable rate, allowing scientists to calculate the age of the samples.
Radio spectroscopy, specifically, has been instrumental in astronomical observations, but it is not directly used to determine the age of the Earth. Instead, it has helped in the discovery of cosmic phenomena, such as the 21-centimeter H I line, which is important for understanding the structure and dynamics of our galaxy3.
The age of the Earth is a result of extensive research using various radiometric dating methods, including uranium-lead dating, which has provided consistent results pointing to the Earth being over four and a half billion years old
Any competent Hebrew scholar will look at Genesis 1: 1 and 1. 2 and tell you there is a break and narrative such that what came from the hand of God and what occurred afterward is totally surprising to be sure to be sure Isaiah 45: 7 says God did not create the Earth tohowabohu... In other words how could a holy righteous God in perfection do such a thing? Thus we translate the vav with the qal perfect as a BREAK IN NARRATIVE, "now the Earth was without form and void". Clearly there is a broken narrative between Perfection and the final catastrophic condition. Even as with the human soul being born dead to God that is until the Holy Spirit incubates over the face of the deep
God is not physical, God is not he or she,
Surely from the perspective of the sun we're still in the first day...?
We cannot understand so much.
As the all-powerful Creator of time - (able to stop time at any and every moment He may so wish to, at random and from any perspective) - God's creation's first moments in time, (just as any others He so wishes) - and just as the last moments of time before its final transmogrification into 'timelessness' is still happening now...
Still happening NOW in His consciousness - which is where all physical matter is situated.
Christ is material and spiritual and is the Alpha and the Omega... And He - the Word - has come for us all.
The current ignorance of a faithful man is therefore in many ways his state of perfect bliss - the individual state of awe and wonder (ego-loss) at the Beauty of his humble predicament - and this joyous predicament in the hands of the Father's Glory, once grasped, is his astonishing reward...
This is the blessing - the blessing of faith and trust - the gift of eternal GRACE bestowed on us by the loving God, Father, Master, Teacher and Friend - through Jesus Christ, the model of His Righteousness - and ours - the only Saviour and Hope.
God Bless and see you up there (back here) someday to discuss these thoughts!! (Deo Volente).
The age of the Earth, as determined by radiometric dating techniques, is approximately 4.54 billion years old12. This estimation is based on the decay rates of radioactive isotopes found in rocks and minerals on Earth and from meteorites. These methods measure the proportions of different isotopes, which decay at a predictable rate, allowing scientists to calculate the age of the samples.
Radio spectroscopy, specifically, has been instrumental in astronomical observations, but it is not directly used to determine the age of the Earth. Instead, it has helped in the discovery of cosmic phenomena, such as the 21-centimeter H I line, which is important for understanding the structure and dynamics of our galaxy3.
The age of the Earth is a result of extensive research using various radiometric dating methods, including uranium-lead dating, which has provided consistent results pointing to the Earth being over four and a half billion years old
@@chrismartino3519 what an amazing Father that made it all - just as we know…. All praise Him forever!
Although I always enjoy watching these weekly, I am disheartened that since this topic is indeed non-essential, the podcast came across to me as “man-centered” rather than “Spirit centered.”
I began to feel disheartened as the conversations became more adversarial in what may appear subtly….but, my tears were not the tears of joy but of “My God, My God.”
Please know this feedback is given out of Love.
What here makes you disheartened, friend? C'mon, as Christians, we should be able to have these kinds of conversations without it effecting your spirit and love for The Lord. Spiritual praise and praising The Lord is wonderful and important, but at a certain point, you should have real reasons why you actually believe what you believe, instead of just gong with it because "it all sounds good and I just want to praise The Lord and sing Him praises all day". There's many of us who came to The Lord and His all mighty nature through the lens of science, logic, and other reasons that aren't "well I was raised in a church". I think God Himself, calls upon us to actually believe what we believe, instead of having blind faith, as long as it is still centered around The Lord Himself. I have to ask, do you just not ever have philosophical conversations with friends or family about how all things work? That's one of my favorite parts of God. Thinking about how He does things, and what anything is, is just extremely fascinating to hear and think about. Remember, God wants us to evolve and create. We can't do that if we just sit down in a Church all day and praise God from sun up to sun down. You also praise The Lord by growing your community and growing as a thinking person, as long as God is ALWAYS at the center of your life, and what these gentleman are doing, is keeping God at the forefront of their lives. God bless, friend!
Hugh ignores not only the literacy of scripture, but the evidence that MAN (not the Earth) has been around no more than seven thousand years. Is Genesis History has gone a long, long way in proving that earth creatures have not been around for millions of years.
There is a lot more evidence to the contrary. If you wish to believe in the literalness of scripture, do you also believe in the firmament rather a globe earth? Because that is what the Bible portrays. It also portrays a literal talking snake. Do you believe that snakes can talk? I think it’s absurd to claim inerrancy of the literal interpretation if you don’t believe in absolute literalism in the Bible
@obiwankenobi2520 Apparently you don't know about the Channel "Is Genesis History." The only thing you have to do to disprove something like Darwinian evolution is prove a recent worldwide flood. That's extremely easy at this point. IGH has done that on numerous occasions.
And yes. I believe in a firmament with waters above. My faith is God, His Word, and ability is not so tiny. My faith in scheming men is quite small.
fall, into the Gap....then why did creation begin, on day one...
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today.
The earth is not 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).
We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast.
Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".
The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours.
Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?
@@djsarg7451 in Genesis...a day, is a day.....sometimes these highly individuals get it wrong....
When God created the heavens -namely the universe of stars etc., He stretched it out, a process that distorts time.
No, it doesn't.
Wow!!! Thank you all for getting together and respectfully discussing one of the most interesting subjects of the Bible! You all were able to sum up both sides in around an hour, awesome! I saw some commonalities here, namely (1) God didn’t need to create with evolution, (2) God can move in and out of space-time and perform true miracles like giving someone new eyes and walking on water, (3) the Bible is the authoritative Word of God.
It seems the big difference of opinion, from Dr. E and Dr. R, is around the question of whether a day was a day, or millions of years periods of time. It would require a deeper look into the meaning of day, and evening and morning. Can we ever know “for sure” the length of those days?
I think what matters most is the transition between Genesis 1:1 and 1:2. If it is possible, from a literal reading, that Genesis 1:1 was a separate event from Genesis 1:2, then we have the “possibility” of an old creation. Whether the days that followed were millions of years or 24 hours, they would still be a separate event from the original older creation event.
Our Bible translations make this difficult to interpret. Looking at 5 major translations: the NASB ‘95 and ESV (most literal) start Genesis 1:2 as a brand new sentence, which makes it easy for me to see it as separate event. However, the KJB, NIV, and NASB ‘20 show Genesis 1:2 starting with “And” and “Now”, implying that it could be just further describing the Genesis 1:1 event.
Whatever the case, I’m ok with the idea that God made things in 24 hours, or epochs of time, either of which I think is possible. I’d really love to be comfortable with the idea that God was doing things long before the last ice age, like Darren said. I think that would not only help us better understand what we see in the sky, but also honor how big and awesome our God really is.
Thanks again for the great talk!!!
Exodus 20:8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
:9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day [is] the sabbath of the LORD thy God: [in it] thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that [is] within thy gates:
11 For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
The age of the Earth, as determined by radiometric dating techniques, is approximately 4.54 billion years old12. This estimation is based on the decay rates of radioactive isotopes found in rocks and minerals on Earth and from meteorites. These methods measure the proportions of different isotopes, which decay at a predictable rate, allowing scientists to calculate the age of the samples.
Radio spectroscopy, specifically, has been instrumental in astronomical observations, but it is not directly used to determine the age of the Earth. Instead, it has helped in the discovery of cosmic phenomena, such as the 21-centimeter H I line, which is important for understanding the structure and dynamics of our galaxy3.
The age of the Earth is a result of extensive research using various radiometric dating methods, including uranium-lead dating, which has provided consistent results pointing to the Earth being over four and a half billion years old
@@chrismartino3519 martino, The earth was said to be around 2.5 billion years old when I was younger.
We must address the issue that all of these radioisotope dating systems have several assumptions being made for the researchers to come to their conclusions, any one of which if wrong, would throw off the entire scheme.
@@statutesofthelord they just keep finding older rocks.... It's not some mystery
@@chrismartino3519 chris, Your response is sadly amusing.
Instead of fighting your Creator - Jesus Christ, who spoke this world into existence, why not love and follow him?
and why did rocks, at Mt St Helens be dated to be real old when they had just been formed...
Because the researchers procedures were faulty. The problem is that they used potassium-argon dating for something very, very young in comparison with the decay rate of potassium. The lab the researchers tested this at explicitly stated that samples under 2mil years would not produce accurate results. Not all labs can afford state of the art technology which would be much more accurate. Additionally, the half-life of Potassium is about 1.25 billions years old, which is much better for dating very old samples rather than samples a decade old. In a decade, there would be slim to none traces of argon detectable in fresh potassium samples. What most likely happened is contamination from previous tested samples that linger in trace amounts. In a normal sample, it is negligible. In a young sample, it skews the data. Radioactive dating overall is a very trustworthy method for measuring absolute dates, but you have to know what you’re doing to get accurate results. This is why samples are cross referenced with other radioactive methods.
Why are Ross supporters so angry? Young Earthers are in the majority when it comes to believers, they simply are so ignorant not o know that. Besides, you don't get angry like a spoilt child cuz one group of believers believe differently on things that are debatable or when the Bible isn't clear on things, ppl here are looking at young earthers as a cult.
I've never seen any problem with the likes of Ken Ham, in fact, there's enough scriptures to say that Jesus will return on the seventh day. We've just entered the 7 millennial and the signs if the end is here..
@@Event_201 We get angry the same reason we get angry at flat earthers spouting nonsense and teaching pseudoscience to children. The Bible also implies that the earth is flat with a dome firmament separating the waters from earth and from the divine. But people know better not to believe the earth is flat because it’s demonstrably false. Science starts with the evidence and tries to make sense of it. YEC starts with the conclusions that earth is young and tries to make the evidence fit. It really is frustrating when people try to undermine these amazing fields of science that are just absolutely incredible. The majority of Americans may in fact be young earth creationists, but not the scientists. If you were to go into any scientific field, none of them would teach the earth is young or even hint to it. Geology disproves a global flood and affirms an old earth. Astrophysics affirms an old universe. Biology affirms common descent and the discovery of DNA confirmed many predictions made by evolutionary theory. I love to learn about this world but when I see people twisting science to fit their narrative, it’s insulting because it discredits a large portion of research great scientists have done. To scientists, young earth is a conspiracy theory and many don’t address it because it’s below them. The problem with that is, not many people think science is against them because you don’t have enough people correcting their presuppositions. And yes, you’ll have a few scientists who do affirm the earth is young but the number that do is very low and they are often scoffed at by others in the field. You don’t even have to look up reasons the earth is old, you definitely could, but you just have to learn about these different fields of science and you’d learn many of things. There are a large amount of playlists across UA-cam that teach certain fields. For geology, I’ve found that “Geo Girl” is very informative. For evolutionary biology, Yale has a free online course online. “Professor Dave Explains” has a ton of playlists of introductory to intermediate scientific concepts. For looking into young earth creationism vs old earth, don’t look up reasons/arguments for both sides. Instead, just learn about the relevant scientific fields and that will give you much more understanding that it would if you look for the answers you want.
@@Event_201 We get angry the same reason we get angry at flat earthers spouting nonsense and teaching pseudoscience to children. The Bible also implies that the earth is flat with a dome firmament separating the waters from earth and from the divine. But people know better not to believe the earth is flat because it’s demonstrably false. Science starts with the evidence and tries to make sense of it. YEC starts with the conclusions that earth is young and tries to make the evidence fit. It really is frustrating when people try to undermine these amazing fields of science that are just absolutely incredible. The majority of Americans may in fact be young earth creationists, but not the scientists. If you were to go into any scientific field, none of them would teach the earth is young or even hint to it. Geology disproves a global flood and affirms an old earth. Astrophysics affirms an old universe. Biology affirms common descent and the discovery of DNA confirmed many predictions made by evolutionary theory. I love to learn about this world but when I see people twisting science to fit their narrative, it’s insulting because it discredits a large portion of research great scientists have done. To scientists, young earth is a conspiracy theory and many don’t address it because it’s below them. The problem with that is, not many people think science is against them because you don’t have enough people correcting their presuppositions. And yes, you’ll have a few scientists who do affirm the earth is young but the number that do is very low and they are often scoffed at by others in the field. You don’t even have to look up reasons the earth is old, you definitely could, but you just have to learn about these different fields of science and you’d learn many of things. There are a large amount of playlists across UA-cam that teach certain fields. For geology, I’ve found that “Geo Girl” is very informative. For evolutionary biology, Yale has a free online course online. “Professor Dave Explains” has a ton of playlists of introductory to intermediate scientific concepts. “Clint’s Reptiles” has a few videos pertaining to biological taxonomy and explains species relationships to each other. For looking into young earth creationism vs old earth, don’t look up reasons/arguments for both sides. Instead, just learn about the relevant scientific fields and that will give you much more understanding that it would if you look for the answers you want.
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today.
The earth is not 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).
We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast.
Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".
The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours.
Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?
does carbon, itself attest to a young earth...
The age of the Earth, as determined by radiometric dating techniques, is approximately 4.54 billion years old12. This estimation is based on the decay rates of radioactive isotopes found in rocks and minerals on Earth and from meteorites. These methods measure the proportions of different isotopes, which decay at a predictable rate, allowing scientists to calculate the age of the samples.
Radio spectroscopy, specifically, has been instrumental in astronomical observations, but it is not directly used to determine the age of the Earth. Instead, it has helped in the discovery of cosmic phenomena, such as the 21-centimeter H I line, which is important for understanding the structure and dynamics of our galaxy3.
The age of the Earth is a result of extensive research using various radiometric dating methods, including uranium-lead dating, which has provided consistent results pointing to the Earth being over four and a half billion years old
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today.
The earth is not 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).
We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast.
Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".
The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours.
Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?
What is time without the sun and moon? Both were not created until day 4. We calculate time based off rotation of the earth around sun and moon.
The Sun and moon were allowed to be seen from the surface of the Earth on day 4. The Hebrew word for made (asah) in Genesis 1:16 is in the verb form that denotes completed action. Genesis 1:16-18 are parenthetical statements that indicate that the sun, moon, and stars had been made sometime in the past.
Quote from you, "We calculate time based off rotation of the earth around sun and moon."
Partially correct.
The Earth and Moon rotate together around the Sun.
The Moon rotates around the Earth.
The Sun does not rise and set. The Earth revolves creating the appearance of the Sun rising/setting.
You cannot have "evening and morning" without the Sun on days 1, 2, and 3 if the Sun was not Created until day 4.
The Sun and Moon were not formed at the same time.
The Sun was formed first in order for the solar system to form.
The Moon was not formed until after the merger of the planet Theia and the proto-Earth.
The debris in space from this collision formed the Moon.
@@MutsPub Genesis 1:14 ESV
[14] And God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night. And let them be for signs and for seasons, and for days and years,
I would argue that from this passage, we have no indication to suggest they were made visible rather than created. If you want to argue the sun was made first at the beginning of day 4, I can see that.
Evening and morning without the sun on day 1 is the mystery of God's word I'm getting at. This is why I believe it's impossible for humans to accurately radiologically date earth's minerals.
@@MutsPub idk what evidence there is for a merger between earth and another planet. Last I heard, none of the models really played out perfectly.
@@jndvs95 I'll not argue.
There is no such thing as a word for word translation of the Ancient Biblical text in any modern language.
It is thought for thought at best!
The Sun and moon were allowed to be seen from the surface of the Earth on day 4. The atmosphere changed from translucent to transparent. We know that now because of the oxygen content on the early Earth.
Does the Bible talk about neutrinos which are the most abundant particles that have mass in the Universe? NO.
How about microwaves? Nope.
The Hebrew word for made (asah) in Genesis 1:16 is in the verb form that denotes completed action. Genesis 1:16-18 are parenthetical statements that indicate that the sun, moon, and stars had been made sometime in the past.
It was written in Hebrew, not English.
"made (asah) in Genesis 1:16 is in the verb form that denotes completed action."
Did they have past tense in Ancient Hebrew?
NO!
They only had perfect and imperfect tenses!
"verb form that denotes completed action"
The Hebrew word for Create (bara) is only used three times in Genesis 1. It is NOT used here.
Do you know what parenthetical means?
A parenthetical statement is one that explains or qualifies something.
Why do you waste my time?
1) Young Earth creationism has simply failed every empirical test that mainstream science demands.
2) There are no serious peer reviewed young Earth creationist science papers.
3) There are no scientists studying “young Earth creationism” in any secular research center in the world.
4) Why? Because the Earth is 4.5662 +/‐ 0.0001 billion years old.
5) All three of these indicate that the universe came into existence billions of years ago.
a) The “Sloan Digital Sky Survey”
b) The “Two Degree Deep Sky Survey”
c) The “WMAP,” which is the most accurate map of the radiation left over from the Creation event.
6) There are 6 independent measures for the date of rock.
a) 2 Uranium dates:
‐ Uranium -235 decays into lead -207
‐ Uranium -238 decays into lead -206
b) 1 Thorium date.
‐ Thorium -232 decays into lead -208
c) ALL 3 of these listed Lead dates come to the same result; 4.5662 +/- 0.0001 billion years. Therefore, the Earth is ~4.5662 +/- 0.0001 billion years old.
7) None of this is a salvation issue.
8) The Bible remains the inerrant word of God.
@@jndvs95 Quotes from you, "Last I heard,
none of the models really played out perfectly."
Please give me the peer reviewed article you are referring to including the name(s), date, and DOI.
Again, I'll not argue.
Moon-forming impactor as a source of Earth’s basal mantle anomalies.
Yuan, Q., Li, M., Desch, S.J. et al. Nature 623, 95-99 (11/01/2023).
DOI: 10.1038/s41586-023-06589-1
39:00 "100% of the lead in the universe comes from the radioisotpic decay." This is false by even the theory of chemical evolution. By the theory, all heavier elements were formed in stars from the lighter elements. The assumption that even this process was 100% in the conversion is counter to the theory. Yet, it is assumed to calculate these dates. Dr. Ross is also conflating conclusions with laws.
41:00 the amount and intensity of background information for decay he admits HAS TO BE ASSUMED as unchanging.
As of this comment, I still can't resolve the perspective of the age of light having relevance to the age of Earth, or tens of thousands of years between the generations of Adam though Noah in an old Earth theory when there's a sequence of the generation of Israel's ancestry. I don't think God is subject to physics, which is a third-dimensional construct limited to space and time. A God unaffected by time, can create an infinite amount of content in no time. The point of a six day creation according to our time is a repeatable construct for us to live within. Isaia's text is also far from the era and literal interpretation of creation. It's certainly not physics. All things were created in maturation and with the momentum of their designed mandate. Genesis 1:1 is brief and has little to no emphasis on many things, including time. Emphasis is a heavy part of the hermeneutical equation. No or little emphasis, little to derive.
As astronomers look into space they see stars. The light from close stars travels less time than for far-away stars. Astronomers can only look at the past, as light takes time to travel. Astronomers can see back in time about 13.5 Billion years. As astronomers look back in time galaxies are closer together as the universe was smaller then, as the universe is expanding. All Christians should be happy that astronomers and cosmologists have put a date on what the Bible has stated for thousands of years that the universe was created out of nothing 13.813 (±0.038) billion years ago. This should not be a shock as the Bible tells us the Earth is old: Deut 33:15, Habakkuk 3:6, Hebrews 4:10 and Gen 2:4. The speed of light has not changed, Jeremiah 33 tells us physical laws do not change. Astronomers have proven Jeremiah 33 correct, as we look back in time (more distant stars) they behave the same as close stars. The Bible got it all correct !
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today.
The earth is not 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).
We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast.
Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".
The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours.
Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?
As astronomers look into space they see stars. The light from close stars travels less time than for far-away stars. Astronomers can only look at the past, as light takes time to travel. Astronomers can see back in time about 13.5 Billion years. As astronomers look back in time galaxies are closer together as the universe was smaller then, as the universe is expanding. All Christians should be happy that astronomers and cosmologists have put a date on what the Bible has stated for thousands of years that the universe was created out of nothing 13.813 (±0.038) billion years ago. This should not be a shock as the Bible tells us the Earth is old: Deut 33:15, Habakkuk 3:6, Hebrews 4:10 and Gen 2:4. The speed of light has not changed, Jeremiah 33 tells us physical laws do not change. Astronomers have proven Jeremiah 33 correct, as we look back in time (more distant stars) they behave the same as close stars. The Bible got it all correct !
"A day and a night"
Is he referring to 'an evening and a morning'? If so, he's misquoting, he has the order wrong: the day was defined as an evening as being the beginning of the day, and a morning as the end of the day. AÀ
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today.
The earth is not 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).
We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast.
Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".
The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours.
Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?
Sorry everyone but Dr. Ross is reasonable and rational in this discussion. I totally respect and admire Dr. Easley.
His point about the shroud of Turin, is completely invalid. There is plenty of evidence to suggest it is in fact the burial cloth of Christ.
You are misusing the word evidence. Plenty of grifting books and videos say it is Christ's burial cloth, but no actual evidence.
It maybe, Hugh's point is that too many people have handled it to know.
What if God didn't deliberately create the Universe? What if it is just a dream and "I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with beholding thy form."?
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What if God the Father is not a person, but just a mental place in which a dream manifests itself.
And the Father doesn't even know about this dream, but it (the dream) is know only to His sons who are born in it "by water and spirit". We know that a dream is real only if it is remembered. And in that sense the dream is created by the awakened dreamer, "for by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
And he is before all things, and by him all things consist". So, was it deliberate creation, or was it created by The First one, when He woke up?
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I wrote a book "Difficult God" and I'm translating it now in English language. It does not contradict the Bible, but instead I'm viewing it from the side which was not available to the people from the time of Jesus, because "I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now."
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I wish fair well to all travelers through the desert, and hope that no one will drawn in it.
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The Primary Prime taking God → Urmala
Biblical Hebrew a small vocabulary than English. In biblical Hebrew, there is no word for universe. Instead, the Hebrew phrase that is translated “the heavens and the earth” is used to refer to the universe-the entirety of physical reality. The phrase is used thirteen times in the Old Testament, always referring to all matter, energy, space, and time the universe. We now know that event was 13.787 ±0.020 billion years. This has been checked, proven and measured with many tools and they all agree. It is not just space that came to be 13.787 billion years ago, but time also. The universe is finite and expanding.
Just as the Bible stated thousands of years ago.
To deny the existence of a Creator is an error.
@@djsarg7451, there is a creator but not in a sense "I'll make the Earth and the Heaven." It is not deliberate creation.
The creation is like a dream, and the dreamer is not deliberately creating it. It just appear in his consciousness (mind).
The dream becomes true if the dreamer wakes up and remembers it. Otherwise there is no dream. Through the Son the dream becomes true, therefor He is the creator of the Earth and the Heaven.
The Whole is dual - water (matter) and spirit, in which the dream is manifested.
The water is also part of the spirit and is explained as the Holy Spirit.
So we have The Father (the place in which the dream appears), The Son (the one who wakes up as a dreamer) and the Holy Spirit (the part of the Spirit which forms the dream). Non of them is different in a nature than the other.
PLEASE realize that there are hearing impaired people trying to listen in too... which means you need to annunciate. Please do not lower your voice at the end of a sentence, and of course don't yell, but speak up. Please. Many of us, along with CC, watch your lips too. So please, again, make sure to annunciate. Thank you!!
With all due respect I think it's absolutely crazy that he's getting the Earth is billions of years old reading plain text... Nobody ever believed that also 20 years when I was in school the billions of years was totally different amount of billions than it is right now young Earth all the way
The Earth is exactly 4.54 billion years old. This has been proven many ways. One of the ways is called radio spectroscopy. This is the study of how electrons are distributed around the nucleus in an atom. Using radio spectroscopy on earth rocks indicates the age of the rocks and thus the Earth. These conclusions are as indisputable as 1 + 1 = 2. If you don't understand the science behind it there are many courses you can take to learn. Don't waste your time with fantasy when facts are readily available.