Star Citizen | The Spaceship Game Made for Non-Spaceship Players
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- Опубліковано 13 лип 2024
- As a space sim, Star Citizen looks to push things a bit further by focusing on the first-person experience as opposed to just flying ships. In this video, I'll show how this philosophy has shaped the game, why we'll continue to move in that direction, and why most players prefer it this way.
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00:00 What Does A Space Sim Include?
00:58 What's A "No-Ship" Player?
05:28 What "No-Ship" Gameplay Is There?
09:31 Pushing This Gameplay
12:44 Continued Expansion
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THIS is why I keep insisting that the next big push needs to be for a public transportation system. Non-pilots need the ability to quickly hop an NPC transport and travel to around the game to take ground missions and meet up with friends.
Bring on the Genesis Starliner, CIG. We've been waiting for a decade!
Anyhooooo, great video as always!😊
as someone who essentially wants to be a airline pilot in star citizen, I would love this. heck, even now whenever i am flying my 400i i always put in the chat that im willing to act as transport for anyone who needs it. super fun to fly people around tbh
Not only that, but think of just being like a freighter crewman. You could be traveling thru the Verse, just hopping from ship to ship, going wherever you want, something like Firefly/Serenity. You too can be Jane ...
@@jedi_drifter2988the Hero of Can-err-Stanton, the man they call Jayne
That’s what I was hoping distribution centres planet side would be the start of. Would be amazing to get a space tour via npc touring ship
@@jedi_drifter2988 o7
I'm always happy to be a taxi for anyone who wants to explore the verse without flying their ship. Enjoy the game any way you want to and as a community, we're all there to help you enjoy it, while we enjoy it the way we want to. It's all love baby xD
Me too!
Facts. As a backer since 2018 I’m always happy to help a citizen in need o7
I'm one of the "I'd rather not fly" types. I'd love to crew as a reputed engineer on contract.
I think it would be cool to have “beacon” missions from players where you’re contracted to work for someone. Like moving boxes on a reclaimer or hired gun for bunker missions.
@@chadsoucek4678 even better if you can just make custom contracts in general with an option to have community vetted (rated) arbiters of completion.
The fact that Star Citizen seamlessly combines ship gameplay with fps gameplay is what makes Star Citizen so cool. Flying the ships is really cool, but getting to feel like a space cowboy is what makes it meaningful to me.
I have friends who feel similarly but don’t want to have to fly, so it’s exciting that there’s a lot of other really cool gameplay to sell them on. The idea of being able to get some friends together for actual space shenanigans on an actual spaceship with actual cargo to plunder and actual bounties out there to hunt and and… that’s what I’m in for. The ships are just icing on the cake.
We all want that Mando/Firefly feeling, I think. Me? I really want Wing Commander with ground play FPS (Destiny Guardian, here.... Hunters Unite- if we really can for any realistic period of time other than to make Warlocks n Titans cry in Guardian Games) and the Exploration/Search n Rescue that I had in Elite (Fuel Rat and Hull Seal for my Faction as needed). I want to lean deep and hard into Search n Rescue and live the job in the Apollo Medivac and Pisces C8R and do some data running and a bit of flight combat. I know... I'm asking a lot.. but, promises were made!!!
This is The Way!
I always thought that the 'Interplanetary Flights' sections in spaceports was a placeholder for a future in-game option that would allow players & NPCs to book quick trips between selected locations without needing to use one's own ships every time.
As always, top top quality content. Visuals, backing tracks, commentary. This is the standard all UA-camrs should strive for.
Appreciate it. Thanks for making these worth it!
Well this is pretty much what every SC content creator does : they use footage from trailers then paste it on the video whenever they want to "advertise" the game to new players
We really do need a ground vehicle with a bed.
And derivable ground locations, not just empty fields and public transit only cities. Imagine if cyberpunk was a subsection of a city on one of the planets!
@@GeneralBlackNorwayimagine if they allowed player construction to let us make what we like instead of waiting for a small team to take 10 years to craft that for us.
12:00 I was amazed at the amount of effort Frontier put into their NPC taxi system when they launched Odyssey for Elite Dangerous. Taxis reliably navigate and fly ships from nearly anywhere to nearly anywhere.
Your storytelling is excellent and your music and cuts are perfectly placed. Well done and thanks for putting in the time to make this wonderful video! I may start looking to help other players achieve this type of gameplay and I may also try it myself. The SC player base has always seems pretty mature and kind from my experience and this lends itself to all kinds of gameplay.
Glad you enjoyed it! This kind of gameplay is going to be the bread and butter at some point. Can't wait!
I didn't occur to me till this vid but, I wonder what the bounty hunting scene is gonna be like with aprehension.
Everything I own has cargo space, so I never really thought about how that'd be for people without.
I've given transport a lot of times. People should do that more often. A guy even rescued me from an island in hurston when I asked.
Primarily on-foot player here. I lean more toward FPS combat than ship combat and prefer playing in groups. When it comes to ship combat, I'd prefer to be in a large ship during a firefight, running and repairing/engineering or turret gunning rather than piloting, or boarding the other ships on foot. Boarding, hacking & data running, turret gunning, delivering packages, and exploring are my primary draws and it's cool that this game can offer so much to so many.
Yes! The last thing I want is to be focused on flying in a way that other people can benefit from, that's a lot! I'd prefer to be the one running around keeping things possible :D
The future looks bright for Citizens of the verse. Looking forward to the features once they go live and seeing the verse thrive in a variety of activities.
Things are looking very good for more useful feature additions!
Great video. I have a family member who I've asked to try the game, only for them to tell me "oh I don't like flying spaceships" or something of the sort. They are exactly the kind of player you're talking about. What I'm hoping for with updates to cities in terms of building interiors is that it creates gameplay loops that allow you to spend a fair amount of time in the city and/or on the planet making money and having fun without the need to leave it at least for a while.
Perhaps you could become a local courier, a taxi driver, a maintenance worker or work for any kind of local business.
I remember when I first backed the game there were people talking about how they just want to have a farm somewhere on some moon or planet and never leave it.
I think with gameplay like that this could potentially become a MMO even for people who aren't necessarily space-gamers.
I love your videos man. You are my favorite Star Citizen content creator by far. I look forward to your new videos all the time. Keep doing what you’re doing and please never stop.
Tomato... you would make such a good game designer. You understand the game. You poll players to get a clearer view of what is actually happening vs expectations. You test against those expectations.
And you are absolutely right. While the buy-in fantasy is to fly ships, the name of the game is Star CITIZEN afterall... not Star FIGHTER. Its a fully fleshed out world. and like a "real" fictional world in the future not everyone has their butts in pilot seats. People go about their lives in all the other ways they would, mining, salvaging, moving boxes, shooting...
the future is bright for the verse.
The foreshadowing of having to use the bathroom well classic ;-)
When Im forced to use a bathroom, Im done with SC. Thats just a little too much.
Taxiing’s a really fun way to meet new people! Every once in a while someone screws me over but the majority of the times it’s been fun and a lot of people needing rides are new citizens. Always a good time flying with new citizens
As always a fantastic video to give an overview about the possibilities of the game I love... 🙂👍
I'm the pilot - but more importantly I'm the away team. My 600i is mostly to facilitate on-foot - and EVA - activities moreso than ship-focused activities.
Where ever it may be, I'm happy we have so much on-foot gameplay.
Awesome content, keep it coming!
Awesome observation and honestly I never even gave a thought there are those who dont care about flying space ships but this makes perfect sense because there are gamers that are not into them but want a game that has other types of game play and I can see SC being that game for those players as well. This makes me love this game even more thinking about it this way!
Great vid, thanks. Hope to see some engineering gameplay in the near future!
I really hope we see it this year.
I think it needs to be said that star citizen is more than just a space sim and just a straight sci fi universe sim
Flying a ship from place to place is a basic mechanic, but outside of the ship, memories are made.
Where the real game is played!
I'm not one for global chat because I generally distrust and am annoyed by other people who are just looking for attention but for the sake of your and other players' non ship gameplay, I will look more closely at the beacons for people needing rides.
This video is well done and I agree with a lot of the points you bring up. I'm looking forward to the ship gameplay expanding but at the same time have said, only half jokingly, that if there was a trash collector who could drive around towns in a drake mule just cleaning up trash, emptying garbages and bringing it back to dumpers depot or wherever to be sent off world, that would be an interesting job to have to earn some cash for food, items, ships etc.
If you think about it, the ultimate SC experience will be that brand new player many years from now. That player that never really followed or payed attention to star citizen, he gets the most basic package possible, may not even include a ship. He has to work his way through buying ships in game and gets to actually experience finished game loops and jump points. Most of it starting out for that player will be learning by being a part of a crew. That player who never had to experience killer elevators is going to be absolutely in love with SC.
Especially once all planet-side content is fleshed out going to space and travelling will be more significant
i think thats a important point to get even more player in the game!
Excellent production quality here, Mr and Mrs Tomato! The production quality of your videos is now up there with a few of my long time favorite SC content creators!
Now that Squadron 42 is feature complete, it’s going to be exciting to see CIG pick up the pace in implementing new features to the verse and making Star Citizen a more rich experience. I think these next few years are going to be a blast, but only time will tell.
Thank you,
I like the segmentation of player focus. Kinda like some people only play live, ptu, etc.
Gotta have more viable segmentation for real multi crew.
We need more of that!
First class review - thanks.
I wouldn't mind shuttling people, if I was confident the cockpit doors would stay locked, and there was a way to boot players off after landing.
I'll always have a ship even as a person who doesn't do ship combat. Ships are like bases.
Yep!
I'm all for flying as a sim fanatic, but Star Citizen is appealing in that it doesn't limit you to a specific role. Most of my friends have zero interest in flying and just want to be crewmembers and such. Can't wait for more gameplay for them.
I personally enjoy running my Super Hornet as a taxi, but I'd have to say, about 30% of the beacons have been pirate traps/murder hobos, so we definitely need a permanent rep system asap
I love doing transport missions feel like an overqualified taxi driver.
Star Citizen already does a good job at giving you a lot of options for a gaming session with even more to come. This is my favourite part of mmo's, and can potentially keep me engaged for years. The key factor is to keep things fresh without players feeling burnout. Things like daily and weekly content eventually turned me away from WoW and Lost Ark, even though I enjoyed the time spent.
The challenge for Star Citizen in a launched environment is to keep things fresh without resets or seasons. When you have the ships you want, the weapons and armor you want and you're satisfied with your base, why log on the next day? Right now while there are still resets coming it has been a long time without one as well, it is more so the events and development that keeps up engagement.
Development shouldn't stop as there are lots more post release content planned, but I hope they expand on dynamic events and player on player interactions as well as expand on Arena Commander to foster communities that want to really focus on one thing, be it racing, dog fighting, ToW or FPS.
I do own a lot of ships in the game but honestly, I just want to play engineer, repair man, or factory operator. I can fly a ship good but I really want to build and repair stuff. I want to be the go to guy for logistics, engineering and damage controller/firefighter. My most anticipated ships are my Crucible and Pioneer. Right now, the most urgently needed thing is a better player reputation system so we can learn who to trust and who to avoid as a possible backstabber.
Just imagine, with server meshing you're no longer sharing a shard with a mere hundred people but with all players on a continent and even all people in the world who play SC.
With this active you can actually sit at a mining outpost withy a Drake Mule and load ships for a living.
I for one would love to do that for a few days in a week just to wind down from flying , exploring or whatever else I'm going to be doing.
It'd be really cool If players could join the Navy and serve a board a large ship working up the ranks to captain.
Whenever I play with a group, I prefer to do ship things other than piloting. And I like a mix of ship and FPS game-play.
i wish there was more on non-quantum/no ship gameplay like just planetary/local/ground vehicles
Great vid Tomato. Allways good content, no drama
I would love to be able to climb up stuff in this game that makes sense for a human to be able to climb up on or over. I love the idea of being able to be a transporter like a space cabby/uber pilot. hahaha I also want to be able to explore the cities on foot and go into buildings and stuff like that. There needs to be activities for the pilot to do while waiting for you to do your thing on the planet we flew you to. I love the ideas in the video.
I've been doing a zero to hero run for 3.18/19/20 and that's hard enough... you went full hard mode and did a no ship challenge. We're not all bad, man. :D During the early 3.18 days I was out there ferrying people to and from planets. Trust was definitely put to the test but your mileage may (and looks like it did) vary! o7
I really hope that before I die the game is developed enough, that there are merc groups that just handled ground combat, boarding and, etc. would be cool to be supported by a dedicated group that are transport, CAP, and CAS pilots. Maybe even be part of a ground mining job in a larger clan. This is the only game that I think about buying at least 4 times a year😂
Great video, was wondering why I was never notified by YT, and it seems I was somehow unsubscribed to both channels.
Thank you for making this type of content, mr. Tomato, great quality, excellent topic. Feel the same, I prefer to be crew or FPS grunt, looking forward to engineering. I like playing support, but most of that is not in or not fully in yet.
I've said for awhile that i'm waiting on the medical gameplay to be properly fleshed out. I'd rather be healing folks as part of a medical/EMS team than shooting at people tbh..
It be cool for the game to have a free mode where you dont gave ship and dont have permission to buy them or like a proper citizenship like in lore
The game already have a solid framework for a great gameplay even without spaceships. The problem is that "potential" and "reality" are two different things that only correlate with another in a limited way. Star Citizen has potential, but it is not realised yet and it is impossible to know if it will be. But i must admit, every free trial event I tried game became more and more fun.
I am always willing to fly for others. I'll take on anything from a dropship/ heavy fighter to any capital ship. I also always come prepared with weapons, ammo, and meds.
I have next to no interest in flying my own ship. I'd 100% rather be a crewmate doing something with others. Right now it's hard to do so I make do but it's only going to get better.
I usually want to be dogfighting when I'm playing star citizen, so it's a good thing we'll always have Arena Commander.
Thank you, ST
Great review
I have to agree with you. My wife has no interest in flying a ship, but she will happily be an engineer on a ship. What I like about Star Citizen is that it tries to be something for everyone.
The breadth of options they aim for is pretty crazy!
The big problem with transporting players is that it's a huge time suck for the pilot and there's a decent level of risk that someone will kill you and take your ship for no real reason. Then you have to respawn, claim your ship and wait for it to show up, plus whatever you lose that you had with you when you started the voyage. There ought to be some vetting system to make someone think twice about asking for transport and then killing the pilot and stealing their stuff.
Well I do love the idea of having a ship full of players, I really hope they add away for a solo player to man the bigger ships, be that through NPC crew or AI blades. Not everyone has the time or patience to wait half an hour for other players to get on or dig somebody out of the random. And it would really suck for the people who went and bought the bigger ships if they couldn't use them just because they get home a a weird hour and can't get anyone online to play with them.
I love the idea of big multi crew ships full players, but focus does need to be put on solo players as well.
A problem is that without a ship it's near impossible to play the game solo. Though I like the concept, and it's needed for fleshing out the game. You could put up transport beacons etc, but your ship is not only transport, it's also security.
I wish there would be a map when you enter caves. Like you map it yourself while you are exploring. Every single time i enter a cave i get lost and it takes ages to find the exit again. It would be much more fun for me with a map :(
Don't forget the Xeno-Anthropologic and Xeno-Archeologic gameplay that is planned for the future.
I guess I'm the exception because I love flying all
Somebody needs to fly!
I am always amazed at how consistently awesome you are! Thanks for this!
Ahhh shucks Vagabond :P
Appreciate it mate. These are a ton of fun to make
Magnifique présentation.
The trailer from 2016 got me to the game. it was the sandworm mission complet on food
This video was publicly released in May of 2023, so may be outdated in some ways!
11:03 *I* am willing to ferry persons around, it's just that no one requires such services when I'm online.
I tend to spend most of my game play not flying. If I could have a ship like the Argo MPU Personnel transport with QT capabilities, I would be more incentivized to transport people given the amount of bad actors acting bad. There currently is not enough rock, paper, scissors balancing in the game to offset the more darker game play loops (pirating, psychosis, ship jacking, etc.). While the risk can be mitigated somewhat currently, it will need some attention as other loops have had to help provide some of that balance.
This is nice to have that option for sure! I just do not want to be forced to give up my ships. For example; Bounty hunting, I would want the option to do more investigative type bounty vs ship bounties. I can tell you right now, if I am in the mood to do ship combat, and except the a typical ship type bounty only to find out that I have to chase some bro on foot all over the system is going to be a real turn off for me. Now if you want that option at that time, I to see that could be super fun, but PLEASE CIG, do not take away our ship combat heavy system. I purely understand that other "types" of players want to do different things, which is fine, but do not take away our ship battle experience, and No! Do not point me towards the Arena only for that in the future, sorry but it's not the same experience, there is a reason why I buy the ships I do, and to be forced out of them is not one of them. I think there is room for both styles here, not just one please. Thank you SP!
I have quite a few good ship Im able to lend out. I have 4 C2's, 1 M2 and 1 A2. I have a reclaimer and a MISC freelancer transport. I have 2 medical pieces and one cargo pieces, a drake mule, and a carack and I'm going to be adding some mining ships in the next few weeks. Not sure how in game communication works, 19Echo is my in game name. Not sure how lending ships work either. I guess I can set my mic up for comms.
They need to add residence in cities, expand cities, make them like Cyberpunk in the interns
yea I also rather want to see spaceflight as the journey and preperation in between exciting locations and activities... not like something I do all the time for the sake of it. At the same time I hope that spaceflight becomes more difficult/ more of an actual simulation, so that a pilot is there to be one.
Yep! There if you want it, but we should be able to enjoy the game without needing it!
As long as theres plenty of ship.players this makes sense. But if the player base is thin this can be a problem. Like Sea of Thieves. Where it has a pvp-server problem due to tons of players who just dont want to participate.
"In the future, you'll own no ship and be happy."
Tomato did you try using transport beacons? As long as the server has a fair number of players online I've seen those get picked up very quickly.
I tried to do what you did, getting transported, just for fun. Only 4 times did i get someone to pick me up.
4 times they flew out of comms to kill me (or try because i snuck into their turret gunner seat)
Another banger of a vid thanx
Thank you o7
This is an awesome video. I'm a nearly level 2 Consierge with only multicrew ships mostly focused on Industry (Reclaimer,Arrastra,Endeavor,Odyssey,Liberator,...) and always wonder "what do I do when none of my friends are online, i have no singleplayer ship" well, here we have it. These things you'r talking about are not-seen things, when it comes to events like IAE, Invictus and so on. Your video made me think. Do I realy need a singleplayer ship? After this, I don't think so. If you realy get alt chars with additional gamepacks (as CIG sayed), I can log in on an alt and say "here I am, let me help you mine this rock, or let me take care of these ship parts". And after all: to just fly a ship from A to B sounds relay boring, doesn't it!?
In the near future NPCs will conmute and drive and will require transport to other planets. That means there will be ships carring people from planet to planet.
I hope bounty hunting (at least for low threats) can only be brought in alive Bebop style - with the difference you can still get money from the salvage if you biff
Agreed. But only if all bounty stipulations must be met to receive reward, e.g. "Alive. Unharmed. Within 4 hours." regardless of threat level.
Population, population, population. That's the main issue with Star Citizen. I'm in for over 1k and I've got nothing to do as I fly security escort and law enforcement/bounty hunting. There isn't enough people in the broken mess of SC at the moment to participate with and my game play loop isn't even in the game properly yet. And yes FPS will be a huge part of what I do also obviously. 50/50? You're on exactly the right path on that! Now just get CIG to listen 😂. Great video mate!
The only way no ship can work is if passenger transport gameplay comes in. The game might just be generally worse for no fly players IMO
What tool is that you're looking at at 4:34?
I think CIG understands that not everyone wants to fly ships all the time. Otherwise there wouldn't be a need for them to create so many systems that have nothing to do with actually flying a ship.
once we get base building and resource management system at a macro sale ships will be just an extention of a gameplay problem solution. I would love to see sc turn it's core attention away from ships and things surrounding ships to other things. Tho, ships are what funds the game and brings in players but I feel like the point your making strikes interesting talking points. Like how NMS is exploration and really less about ships and starfield was more on RPG element then sc can strike a balance between the two.
But man, some ships are way too good even in their concept stage to not be the apple of our eyes (galaxy for me)
I hope more players will start beeing no-ship player... cause I want to be pilot exclusively so more players needing transport from one place to another will mean more job for me :)
Im by no means a good pilot now and likely won't be in the future - at least for combat. I would rather take jobs elsewhere to make a living. My main goal in Star Citizen is to have fun with good teamwork and interacting with likeminded people. I don't know which job I will genuinely like and excel in, but I want to make that skill available to whoever flies with me. Even on my own ship I would prefer to have a good pilot at the helm instead of doing the piloting myself.
1:08 which helmet is that
I would argue the spaceship game made for non-spaceship players is Starfield, considering how little you get to fly in it.
took 2 years from 3.15 to 3.23, From what I have seen we got jumptown, mastermodes, POI's, and and handful of ships. The only team I saw doing a great job was the FPS team. Yes I understand squadron42 is the main focus of CIG atm, but when are we going to actually get gameplay loops worth giving a damn about in the PU? Sadly Squadron will come out, we will all play it and in a few months no one will play it again. It's been 11 years, time to start firing people who are underperforming and are skating by to get a paycheck.
One biased poll isn’t much evidence. There’s a reason CIG doesn’t sell access to the game without a ship, because the game is designed around each player having their own ship.
It is well put. Until the system does not provide you with assurance that the person you are transporting wont kill you for fun people will be reluctant to help you out, even if you offer money. We need a fame/infamy system in the game where killing has consequences and a mark on someone that cannot be wiped easily, even if crime stat was removed. Also, PvE crime and PvP crime should not be tallied into one thing.
This game will be complete in my eyes only if they build out the "I have don't have access to a single spaceship and don't want to interact with a single real person" systems and then crank the claim times on ships up high. I'm not saying that flying in other people's ships and getting taxied by real people should be rare, but if there wasn't a single person online I should still be able to get anywhere I need to go (except maybe the lowest security systems) without my own ship, albeit slower and more expensively.
That's when it'll feel to me like an actual universe and not a space game.
EDIT: Oh and I'm not saying that I should be able to do everything without a ship, but yeah if I need to do a bunker/outpost style fps mission 16 systems away, there should be infrastructure in place to at least get me to the nearest station/landing zone, and then perhaps real players would be needed to get me to the bunker but there should probably be npc's willing to taxi people into dangerous areas for premium prices.
much hope for the un-ship experience
Won´t someone think of the space accountants?
Please just give me roads so we can just Drive to places!
Damn earthers think your so tough with your strong bones 😂
I consistently put out beacon's whenever I don't have my ship
on hand. Feels more organic, supports new players with some extra cash and I can enjoy the view while being too high to fly.
Each to their own but for me playing SC without flying ships is akin to taking a shower in a raincoat. Perfectly feasible but ultimately pointless. I have dozens of other games where I can run around doing all sorts of things but precious few where I can pilot a space ship. So, for me, when I play SC I pilot my ship doing ship-like things.
I've tried the whole come and get me and take me to wherever only to find within 5mins I'm either shot or if role playing the part and if the person has an ounce of fun in them getting hijacked so don't bother anymore 9 times out 10 it's a trap and your dying.
Eventually, the reputation system will help with that.