I think it sounds great. Definitely seems brighter. I’ve really been into the Mad Professor Doublemoon, I got, after really trying quite a few differebt chorus and flangers. It’s all analog, with control abilities to get many chorus, flange and double or together options. No volume, so it drops a bit, but I have a clean boost for that, but it does have a tone control to darken or brighten things.
I'm too simple for this. Two amps, wet dry, in, out, and around, back in again and into my computer. I truly appreciate that some folks do all this and get INCREDIBLE dreamy tones. Maybe some day I'll go down this road but for now all that makes my hair hurt.
Only the delay and reverb are after the amps. Everything else, including the chorus, is just stereo in front of the amps. The Reverb and Delay (wet/dry/wet) are mixed in parallel (like you would in a mix bus in a recording studio) after the amp and before the speaker.
@@VertexEffectsInc Some people just dont have the experience yet to understand wet/dry/wet. It is kind of hard for me to believe in this day & age a musician has never used a DAW but i see alot, and i mean alot, of people that get confused by wet/dry/wet and dual mono setups. I guess its easy for me to say though considering i owned a true recording studio in the late 90’s thru early 00’s (until the home studio boom put me out of business) and have been playing music for 30 years.
@@melhakenson8426 Wet/Dry/Wet came from the recording studio...guitar players basically wanted a tailored recording rack for themselves to get all the sounds they could call up during a session. It was also helpful pre-ProTools days as none of the processing was printed so you always had the dry track if the producer wanted to do their own processing to it after the fact. This all probably seems basic to you since you came from the recording studios where this was all commonplace.
@@VertexEffectsInc Yeah i know that, i was basically saying there are alot of people watching these youtube shows who dont understand the concept. I understand it completely.
@@melhakenson8426 I'm sure this is just preaching to the choir for you, yea...I agree that many have no recording experience or understand what a mix bus is, so they tend to just think three amps is wet/dry/wet.
I love mine! I’ve been hoping they’d do a reissue with these feature for YEARS! Great playing too, Mason…you don’t give yourself enough credit. You have a wonderful dynamic & expressive touch on the guitar. 👏👏👏
Mason you don’t give yourself credit for your playing - you are extremely talented in this respect… and without question in your understanding of sound! Thank you so much for the video, purchasing today!
Hey Mason I’m a recent subscriber and I really appreciate your channel and your knowledge. I’m an older guy and watched this technology evolve. It’s taken me decades to understand half of your knowledge. The video on Fulltone was sad but very well done. Thanks for putting it together.
Oh wow, didn't think that little test video I did would have gone this far and wide! Thanks heaps for the shoutout, it's definitely given me the extra push to finish editing and releasing some of the others I've shot. Would love a chance to check out some of your stuff one day.
Thanks for watching Dr. Gear, and thanks for doing the teardown of the SCF! Hopefully some folks will watch and see that the build quality is quite good for that price point of $149.99
I have had the original for 30 years. It was the first major pedal purchase I made when I started out. My favorite 2 chorus pedals are the TC and the Arion. I can't remember how much I spent on the TC originally. The other pedal I bought at the time was the red knob Demeter Tremulator for $180. That thing was and still is a beast.
Love this video Mason! Joe Bonamassa still uses the pedal. He has it "always on" very subtly and it's behind his amps. He says if it's off he can hear the difference but when it's on he doesn't really notice it. I am going to buy one. I have always been intrigued by this pedal. What I really admire about your UA-cam channel is how it isn't a shameless plug channel. I own several of your pedals and they are phenomenal. You have every right to plug your stuff and to be proud of how good your products are but it's nice to see the approach you've taken.
The original was also the first TC pedal ever. I never got the original because of the power supply, so I was thrilled to buy the reissue with the 9v. This guy with the Keeley Halo is just glorious. Cheers. HM
Both sound great! I agree reissue is brighter. But it’s great that they’re back in production. I agree and I’m glad you mentioned the fact any 2 pedals may sound the same. Thanks!✌️❤️
Just bought a new one on-line yesterday. I live out in the sticks, no way to Demo one. Watched this episode just to calm my post-purchase/pre-receipt jitters 😢😅.
TC Electronics did make some great pedals. This is one of them. I still use a couple of their pedals. One thing I can say about TC is you always got quality. I never had an unwanted noise issue issue with the TC equipment.
I love the sounds that you're getting out of your signal chain. Regarding your description of the chain I'm more of a visual learner. It would be great to see a quick chart, similar to the one that you did for your signal chain videos expressly for that.. maybe just off to the side a little bit so we can see you play but see a visual of the ins and outs of your rig. Thanks so much for playing that out. Very cool.
The inputs/outputs don't change clip to clip, same path as the diagram earlier in the video when we talk about the gear used. The only think that changes are the settings on the pedals as we A/B them in their respective settings.
@@VertexEffectsInc Ahh..sorry... I jumped into the live feed and I was listening to you here at work and couldn't look at the screen. I'm so sorry missed it. I will rewatch it from the beginning. Ps: yeah just rewatched it and it was perfect. Embarrassed. Thank you!
First of all this is exactly what I was talking about we can really hear what's going on when you are doing the playing through your own rig. (Fantastic playing Dynamics and sound there dude by the way... it makes the rest of us want to go get our rig and set it up the same way and start playing) I knew nothing about these pedals so I'm going to assess them from not having any knowledge prior to this video. For the chorus comparison the first pedal sounded sweeter to me. But for the pitch and the flanger the reissue just had a super Splendid tone to them. Now every single person who subscribes to your channel is going to be working on their police Tunes for the next week
Great re-issue. There was also a really great “programmable” phaser that was part of that line, as well as a compressor/ sustainer /parametric eq pedal. They should bring those back as well.
In 1988,my live rig was two 100 watt Jubilee heads,two,4x12,’sTC Chorus,and one of those Rockman Stereo Echo half rack units in the loops…I remember the TC Chorus was pretty subtle,but it sounded great….I haven’t thought about that pedal in years until I saw this..
SCF was also very popular with us bass players when it came out. I use to use an Ensoniq DP4 in my bass rig mainly for the Chorus until I got the SCF in the mid 90's. The reissue sounds great and will probably find it's way into my collection soon.
Your results replicate my exact findings! The new one is definitely brighter and clearer, perhaps a result of TC increasing the headroom of preamp? Regardless, I love the SCF; its my all time favorite pedal and when TC announced the reissue, I immediately ordered it- along with the recent special edition shiny gold version :) Cheers! Adrian
Future videos? Reverb, if anyone ever makes one pedal that does everything. Reverb drives me crazy - short trip! I have a ludicrous number of pedals. Polara, RV-500, RV-6, RV-7, Topanga, True Spring, Immerse, Blue Sky etc. They all do something well but none of 'em do everything. I should sell what is not on a board and buy a Big Sky I guess but I don't think it does a convincing surf-drip, does it? The whole MUST HAVE list would be: A Fender bright spring surf DRIP (without the Boss '63 harshness) - A Rockabilly Room Setzer-ish vibe - A Plain Spring with plenty of tweakability from prominent to subtle - A Chris Isaak 3D ambient wash - A wide stereo field that adds dimension to stereo delays without overpowering them - Everything available as a preset. So yeah - not a tall order at all. Last night I got a crazy good surf sound by putting the Topanga in front of my Marshall MG250 stereo combo. It's own onboard stereo reverb and stereo delay brought out the Topanga's surfy-ness and made it 3D. So, two reverbs going on. I have never found one pedal that could do that sound that well. The Polara, in the MG stereo effects loop, will do an absolutely stunning Riviera Paradise sound. Alas, no one pedal could do everything. Keeley's Halo does a great job of being THE one pedal for delay and I grabbed one immediately. Brett Kingman gushed about it - rightly so, IMO. But I can't find that same all-in-one package in a single reverb pedal. RV-500 comes closest. Stacked reverbs? Paralleled? Too crazy!
@@VertexEffectsInc I did. Excellent pedal. I also have the CR-7 beside it. I guess they "tried again" with the Polara, also Lexicon, and also discontinued. I dunno why. They have that built-like-a-tank quality feel and lush Lexicon sound.
the level of production of this video (content, delivery, audio, video - can I ask what camera/mic you are using?) is through the roof. amazing job! thanks for your time
Also for nerds like me, notice the Intensity and Width knob placements got switched around from the old original ones. That kinda threw me off at first when I got the gold one. The purple ones have this also.
WOW! And a good price for this unit as well. I might have to pick me one up after I get my tubes in for my head this week even though they're out of stock but seems they have more being made on back order.
Another great video. I thought TC was owned by Behringer now. If so, it makes sense they'd use those parts but I didn't know Boss was. That was pretty wild to find out.
The new one is definitely brighter, and less subtle than the vintage one, but I actually prefer it. This definitely has a good shot of getting on my board!
Any comments on using, setting, evaluating the variable preamp on these things would be welcome. How do others set it in line with a typical series pedalboard? I always set mine turned up about a quarter of the way on.
I usually try to set it at unity gain (no boost). Sometimes if you use in an effects loop you might have to knock it down more and make up the gain on the return. The easiest way is to put it in a true bypass loop and A/B it so you can nail the output to unity gain. You can also just unplug it and go direct to your amp to get a baseline on the output level. I would say definitely around 8:00 - 10:00 is typically unity gain (depending on the pot tolerance).
Hello Mason, great video, playing & comparison - thank you for your fine work ! Just a quick question: For pedalboard owners with a pre- and post-buffer (and everything else in between “true bypass”) would this buffered only pedal somewhere in the middle of the chain “mess” with the signal and/or impedances ?! Thanks in advance for your answer & keep up the great work 👌🏼 Regards from Hamburg (Germany) 🤗 Roland 🎸
This was excellent Mason I have totally been curious about this pedal and very curious about the comparison with the vintage models… Takes up a lot of space in paddleboard for a horse petal but you know nothing else is doing it for me… Thank you!
I enjoy your video’s Mason. I owned a true recording studio throughout the mid-90’s thru around 2006 when the home studio boom put me out of business, ive been playing music for 30 years & i studied electronics for 2 yrs in school in the early 90’s and I still find alot of useful info on your channel and i enjoy watching week to week (and yes i am subscribed). A video on vintage rack gear and guitar would be pretty cool. I like how they are starting to bring alot of the stuff we used in the studio into the guitar pedal world now; ie cxm 1978, Cali76, Free the Tone (2290 & Dyno Tri-Chorus), The preamp pedals like the Colorbox, Broadcast, Lauren Mustang & Milkman Poptop. Just awesome. I wish Korg would reissue the SDD delay aa a pedal again. Do you know any good clone pedals of the original Electric Mistress? I sure miss mine! Have a great one.
Hey Mel! Thanks for watching! Yes...there are some cool reissues and replicas coming out. The video last week on the RV-7 Reverb is a great one if you want the Lexicon sound that's more characteristic of guitars and not what was used on Blade Runner (CXM 1978). Equally, I always thought it was strange to use a pedal version of an 1176 and then use if first in the chain? What guitar player ever used an 1176 before the mic? I do like the Free The Tone 2290...in mono just like the OG version. I don't think anyone's fully nailed the Tri Stereo Chorus, closest I've found is the Red Seven Lil Wave, but it's mono. I typically just use the DC-2W these days for chorus and use it in the Dimension D setting. For the EXH Electric Mistress, I think Retro-Sonic makes one as does Past Effects.
Thanks Mason I had no idea they were only 140 $$. !!!! I have two vintage one but one isn’t working and the tech I know says he can’t fix it But he didn’t even take it and open it
I hate to add to the "mystique of vintage" thing, but yeah - I prefer the old unit. But if I did not already have an old one, I'd be happy with the reissue, especially for $149. The old a/c cord is a pain. It was crazy long until I shortened it - reluctantly - but will also say it DOES save you a port on your power supply. I often have an a/c power strip somewhere on my boards.
I'm pretty sure (as the owner of an OG TC Chorus Pedal + a 1210 unit), that the purple-label Chorus pedal here is itself either a reissue or a very late model. The OG series of TC Pedals (incl. Compressor/Sustainer, Distortion/Booster, EQ etc) were all-black with white, embossed writing. Either way, it's never left my pedalboard & is my holy-grail chorus (outside of the Yamaha UD Stomp). Lush sound, awful Flanger (imho) but a really nice Pitch Modulation too. Happy hunting to those looking for an OG, I might just have to buy the re-issue as an inexpensive substitute!
It’s actually the paint texture more than the purple square that delineate the vintage. No texture pain is a vintage version, textured paint is a later incarnation.
I have two all black originals and I got the new gold one. Have not yet done a critical comparison. The new one sounds pretty good though on a few gigs, certainly more convenient.
I have had this pedal for years, but always wondered why it didn’t sound very wet… Now I know why.. I was running it in the effects loop instead of the front of the amp…
Great playing, however, this video convinced me to not get a Reissue, but instead bite the bullet and get a vintage one. Still, this video proves useful in that regard, so thanks a ton!
I have two SCFs one from 80's and one from 90's. To my ears, they sound different from each other but not in a bad way, but reissue couldn't catch the "darkness" of the original pedal.
The circuits had changes over time...typically the all black (no purple square) is considered the original "vintage" version, however I've seen versions with the purple square which have the same PCBs and the all black version.
Thanks for this amazing video. Although both pedals sound very similar I think the older generation pedals are better for the hardcore true analog tone seekers. But the old units have already reached their goal by creating iconic sounds and value. Since the new item is a new item, the companies have to apply changes to reach some new customers. 😉
Well...both are true analog. But yes, there are some differences, no doubt. The newer version is brighter, but also the older versions are often out of calibration and are all over the place so it's hard to say how they might stack up if all are calibrated and new (but we don't have a time machine). I think the big advantage of the new version is the 9VDC for sure. There are some "vibe" and "vintage" aspects of the original that can't be fully re-created, we don't have access to the same BBDs then as we do now, but I think they're in an acceptable range if you want a great analog stereo chorus for $149.
I’ve had the SCF Gold on my board for a few gigs and I’ve noticed it adds a touch of compression in either bypass mode or on? Took it off the board last night and my amp dynamics returned to what they should be. Anyone notice this? Thanks
Noticed it too, it compresses a little and adds a little bit of harshness in the upper frequencies, even in bypass. Might be fine or even an improvement depending on your rig. I already had several buffers on my board so it seemed to take away from the tone, so I put it in a true bypass loop. But definitely not a clean bypass on this one.
Your link proves that Amazon isn’t the cheapest place in town! I just ordered this using your link and found the price is cheaper by over $300.00 than what’s on Amazon!! It might be backordered with Sweetwater but it’s not worth $300.00 to get it sooner.
Hands down the original vintage SCF sounds way warmer and smoother. The reissue sounds real bad on the flanger and way more metallic on all 3 modes. I've used different headphones and listen few times. You did great job except for noticing the huge differences 😅
Agreed. Original’s mojo is warmer, and more defined, with virtually no clipping compared to the reissue. You can hear the depth and quality of the 120 vac original on Eric Johnson’s majestic recordings. The 80s really had it!
What I like about my original one, is the input impedance, that enables me to even preamplify a passive Fender Rhodes piano - in a clean way. I don´t like the stereo-chorus not being mono compatible, which applies to many stereo chorus pedals, where the other side is just a phase reversed version of the first side. Use the choruses mono out only - problem solved. Only thing: It´s not "stereo" anymore..hmmm... I think all of this can be said for the reissue, too.
I'm actually amazed that TC released this oedal at this affordable orice, if I remember correctly, the originals were sold new at boutique prices! Sooo, how does this compare to just using chorus and flanger on the plethora?
The re-issue is more than just brighter in the upper frequencies. It's almost like there is some aliasing in the signal of the upper frequencies. Strange, almost a harsh element, but I may be hearing things. Are my ears playing tricks on me?
Has anyone ever told you that you look like Jack Black? Anyway, great video for I received this first generation pedal as a package deal when I bought a second hand guitar. It came with a Guv'nor by Marshall and a Heavy Metal by Boss (which I was told is also a first generation made in Japan). I mostly use a Boss Gt-1 pedal board and haven't even try connecting those pedals since I barely have the time to play nowadays. When the guy sold it to me, he said that this was Slash standard pedal (except for the Cry Baby)
I suppose if they wanted to insult how I looked, sure. I’m more partial to the Ricki Lake or Rosie O’Donnell comparisons. Sounds like you made out good on that deal. Those old Marshall pedals are worth a bit now! Same with MIJ Boss pedals.
@@VertexEffectsInc That thought never cross my mind but I am a great fan of Jack Black especially School of Rock. Thank you for the information, I know my gear a little better now.
@UCikGLR6GrrmDQJR4B_MDWKQ No not at all except that the latter one were made in Korea. I did not think that it made a difference for pedal effect like it does for let say a 1961 Stratocaster Made in the US and one made in Mexico last year.
It could be used in a loop, it just didn't want to adjust the line level settings out of the line out or clip the pedal inadvertently. I also figured more people would use it this way.
@@VertexEffectsInc Oh I’d buy a reissue in a heartbeat. It’s a classic must have pedal. Ps. Enjoyed the “walking on the moon” sound. Dailed it in just yesterday. Such a great sound and song.
I feel that if there is a difference it neither makes the new one better or worse . I never listen with my eyes but like every one that says that I am a liar, LOL. I think what would be cool is for you to set up the pedals but let someone else switch them so you have to choose which one is which. That way you only have one pair of ears to listen with. The others will be starring at the camera.😊
Been eyeing these, I thought they were about $300, maybe that was just the gold version. It sounds killer! I agree with your assessment of the differences in sound for sure. Maintains the mojo of the original, but yes some differences. Great pedal, liked the Walking on the Moon outro, legit!
Hi ! nice video can i ask for the chords at 7:11 ? i can of get them but precise name or notes of the chords would be could they sound really cool thx man ! ( i found one of those vintage model i think i will buy it )
@@VertexEffectsInc Bob Mould used that as his main distortion in Hüsker Dü, and I think Frank Black used it in the Pixies. Bob Mould’s rig is so cool haha look it up
@@VertexEffectsInc interesting... either way, it's a nice feature set in a single box. Seems like a real nice pedalboard space saver. Thanks for the video!
Mason, is the stereo output on the RI out of phase with the mono output, like the original? I was bummed when I got my original and realized it wasn’t going to play nice with my stereo reverbs, ESPECIALLY the P.M. mode, which is the mode I figured I’d use the most. I assume your wet/dry rig gets around this, since your reverb pedal is processing a mono signal.
I’m an HUGE TC Electronics user-almost all of my pedalboard is dominated by their gear. I have, like, 9 TC pedals, 1 Keeley Dyno-My-Roto, a Boss DS-1, a Crowther Hotcake, a Caline 10-band EQ, and three pedals whose manufacturers i can’t recall (a 7-band EQ, a noise gate, and a Little Black Buffer). Nonetheless, I’ve never heard of this pedal, and now I’m in love. If only it had a tremolo rather than a pitch shifter… Then again, wish into one hand and shite in the other, which will first fill up? I’m’na pick up one of these pedals . I love the sound of the reissue, quite frankly. Especially with regards to the flanger, the vintage module sounds comparatively anaemic, so for once I’m delighted to purchase the new version without feeling as if I’m ‘settling’. Thanks for a great review, mate.
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Does the TC SCF Reissue faithfully re-create the sonic heritage of the original? Tell us your thoughts below!
It pays a good homage, cannot deny it. It’s a very “clean” sounding analog chorus. Very lush, but it doesn’t drown or overpower your tone either
@@dannyllerenatv8635 yes, it's more subtle than say a CE-1 or CE-2 comparatively.
I think it sounds great. Definitely seems brighter.
I’ve really been into the Mad Professor Doublemoon, I got, after really trying quite a few differebt chorus and flangers. It’s all analog, with control abilities to get many chorus, flange and double or together options. No volume, so it drops a bit, but I have a clean boost for that, but it does have a tone control to darken or brighten things.
@@CorbCorbin Nice! It is a bit brighter but so are many of the vintage ones as well...they have some variability unit to unit.
@@CorbCorbin love MP fx
I'm too simple for this. Two amps, wet dry, in, out, and around, back in again and into my computer. I truly appreciate that some folks do all this and get INCREDIBLE dreamy tones. Maybe some day I'll go down this road but for now all that makes my hair hurt.
Only the delay and reverb are after the amps. Everything else, including the chorus, is just stereo in front of the amps. The Reverb and Delay (wet/dry/wet) are mixed in parallel (like you would in a mix bus in a recording studio) after the amp and before the speaker.
@@VertexEffectsInc Some people just dont have the experience yet to understand wet/dry/wet. It is kind of hard for me to believe in this day & age a musician has never used a DAW but i see alot, and i mean alot, of people that get confused by wet/dry/wet and dual mono setups. I guess its easy for me to say though considering i owned a true recording studio in the late 90’s thru early 00’s (until the home studio boom put me out of business) and have been playing music for 30 years.
@@melhakenson8426 Wet/Dry/Wet came from the recording studio...guitar players basically wanted a tailored recording rack for themselves to get all the sounds they could call up during a session. It was also helpful pre-ProTools days as none of the processing was printed so you always had the dry track if the producer wanted to do their own processing to it after the fact. This all probably seems basic to you since you came from the recording studios where this was all commonplace.
@@VertexEffectsInc Yeah i know that, i was basically saying there are alot of people watching these youtube shows who dont understand the concept. I understand it completely.
@@melhakenson8426 I'm sure this is just preaching to the choir for you, yea...I agree that many have no recording experience or understand what a mix bus is, so they tend to just think three amps is wet/dry/wet.
I love mine! I’ve been hoping they’d do a reissue with these feature for YEARS! Great playing too, Mason…you don’t give yourself enough credit. You have a wonderful dynamic & expressive touch on the guitar. 👏👏👏
Wow thanks! These are really great pedals for sure! Can't beat it for $149!
On a completely separate note, that's a damn good looking Fender, has a gorgeous fretboard
Fender killed it on this guitar, shout out to Chicago Music Exchange for getting this one for me!
Got it when it first came out, it really does sound great, very lush chorus and "that" 80s sound is there.
Great pedal, no doubt!
Mason you don’t give yourself credit for your playing - you are extremely talented in this respect… and without question in your understanding of sound!
Thank you so much for the video, purchasing today!
Hey Mason I’m a recent subscriber and I really appreciate your channel and your knowledge. I’m an older guy and watched this technology evolve. It’s taken me decades to understand half of your knowledge. The video on Fulltone was sad but very well done. Thanks for putting it together.
I appreciate that!
Oh wow, didn't think that little test video I did would have gone this far and wide! Thanks heaps for the shoutout, it's definitely given me the extra push to finish editing and releasing some of the others I've shot.
Would love a chance to check out some of your stuff one day.
Thanks for watching Dr. Gear, and thanks for doing the teardown of the SCF! Hopefully some folks will watch and see that the build quality is quite good for that price point of $149.99
Really enjoy watching these. Always look forward to each video. All the best from the UK. 😎😎😎😎😎😎
Glad you like them!
I have had the original for 30 years. It was the first major pedal purchase I made when I started out. My favorite 2 chorus pedals are the TC and the Arion. I can't remember how much I spent on the TC originally. The other pedal I bought at the time was the red knob Demeter Tremulator for $180. That thing was and still is a beast.
Both are great pedals! I spent a lot of time with both the Arion and the TSC. The Demeter is also great! Classic Ry Cooder tones!
Love this video Mason! Joe Bonamassa still uses the pedal. He has it "always on" very subtly and it's behind his amps. He says if it's off he can hear the difference but when it's on he doesn't really notice it. I am going to buy one. I have always been intrigued by this pedal. What I really admire about your UA-cam channel is how it isn't a shameless plug channel. I own several of your pedals and they are phenomenal. You have every right to plug your stuff and to be proud of how good your products are but it's nice to see the approach you've taken.
That's cool, I didn't know he still used it!
Thank you again, Mason. God bless.
The original was also the first TC pedal ever.
I never got the original because of the power supply, so I was thrilled to buy the reissue with the 9v.
This guy with the Keeley Halo is just glorious.
Cheers.
HM
Amazing! Yes great pedal, you can also mod the OG ones to 18V pretty easily if you want to go that route.
Both sound great! I agree reissue is brighter. But it’s great that they’re back in production. I agree and I’m glad you mentioned the fact any 2 pedals may sound the same. Thanks!✌️❤️
They're great pedals, can't beat the price!
Just bought a new one on-line yesterday. I live out in the sticks, no way to Demo one.
Watched this episode just to calm my post-purchase/pre-receipt jitters 😢😅.
These pedals are so iconic.
Sounds beautiful
Great video
TC Electronics did make some great pedals. This is one of them. I still use a couple of their pedals. One thing I can say about TC is you always got quality. I never had an unwanted noise issue issue with the TC equipment.
Yes, one of the two 5 chorus pedals ever made!
I love the sounds that you're getting out of your signal chain. Regarding your description of the chain I'm more of a visual learner. It would be great to see a quick chart, similar to the one that you did for your signal chain videos expressly for that.. maybe just off to the side a little bit so we can see you play but see a visual of the ins and outs of your rig. Thanks so much for playing that out. Very cool.
The inputs/outputs don't change clip to clip, same path as the diagram earlier in the video when we talk about the gear used. The only think that changes are the settings on the pedals as we A/B them in their respective settings.
@@VertexEffectsInc Ahh..sorry... I jumped into the live feed and I was listening to you here at work and couldn't look at the screen. I'm so sorry missed it. I will rewatch it from the beginning. Ps: yeah just rewatched it and it was perfect. Embarrassed. Thank you!
@@LearnWithStephen All good, glad it was cleared up!
First of all this is exactly what I was talking about we can really hear what's going on when you are doing the playing through your own rig. (Fantastic playing Dynamics and sound there dude by the way... it makes the rest of us want to go get our rig and set it up the same way and start playing) I knew nothing about these pedals so I'm going to assess them from not having any knowledge prior to this video. For the chorus comparison the first pedal sounded sweeter to me. But for the pitch and the flanger the reissue just had a super Splendid tone to them. Now every single person who subscribes to your channel is going to be working on their police Tunes for the next week
Wow! Thanks for the nice comment! It's a great pedal, especially for the money!
Great re-issue. There was also a really great “programmable” phaser that was part of that line, as well as a compressor/ sustainer /parametric eq pedal. They should bring those back as well.
They had some great pedals from this era!
In 1988,my live rig was two 100 watt Jubilee heads,two,4x12,’sTC Chorus,and one of those Rockman Stereo Echo half rack units in the loops…I remember the TC Chorus was pretty subtle,but it sounded great….I haven’t thought about that pedal in years until I saw this..
Sounds like a dream!
SCF was also very popular with us bass players when it came out. I use to use an Ensoniq DP4 in my bass rig mainly for the Chorus until I got the SCF in the mid 90's. The reissue sounds great and will probably find it's way into my collection soon.
Great news! For $149 you can't go wrong!
Your results replicate my exact findings! The new one is definitely brighter and clearer, perhaps a result of TC increasing the headroom of preamp? Regardless, I love the SCF; its my all time favorite pedal and when TC announced the reissue, I immediately ordered it- along with the recent special edition shiny gold version :)
Cheers!
Adrian
It's a great unit no doubt!
Future videos? Reverb, if anyone ever makes one pedal that does everything. Reverb drives me crazy - short trip! I have a ludicrous number of pedals. Polara, RV-500, RV-6, RV-7, Topanga, True Spring, Immerse, Blue Sky etc. They all do something well but none of 'em do everything. I should sell what is not on a board and buy a Big Sky I guess but I don't think it does a convincing surf-drip, does it? The whole MUST HAVE list would be: A Fender bright spring surf DRIP (without the Boss '63 harshness) - A Rockabilly Room Setzer-ish vibe - A Plain Spring with plenty of tweakability from prominent to subtle - A Chris Isaak 3D ambient wash - A wide stereo field that adds dimension to stereo delays without overpowering them - Everything available as a preset. So yeah - not a tall order at all. Last night I got a crazy good surf sound by putting the Topanga in front of my Marshall MG250 stereo combo. It's own onboard stereo reverb and stereo delay brought out the Topanga's surfy-ness and made it 3D. So, two reverbs going on. I have never found one pedal that could do that sound that well. The Polara, in the MG stereo effects loop, will do an absolutely stunning Riviera Paradise sound. Alas, no one pedal could do everything. Keeley's Halo does a great job of being THE one pedal for delay and I grabbed one immediately. Brett Kingman gushed about it - rightly so, IMO. But I can't find that same all-in-one package in a single reverb pedal. RV-500 comes closest. Stacked reverbs? Paralleled? Too crazy!
Did you see our reverb video last week? ua-cam.com/video/7LrRWvJ0cR4/v-deo.html
@@VertexEffectsInc I did. Excellent pedal. I also have the CR-7 beside it. I guess they "tried again" with the Polara, also Lexicon, and also discontinued. I dunno why. They have that built-like-a-tank quality feel and lush Lexicon sound.
the level of production of this video (content, delivery, audio, video - can I ask what camera/mic you are using?) is through the roof. amazing job! thanks for your time
Wow, thanks! We're using a Sennheiser MKE 600 Shotgun Microphone and a two Lumix GH6's
Ohhh God! Perfect pedal! The very best of Eric Johnson's guitar tone!
Keeping it simple I'd have to say the newest one for the win. Yea TC ! Loved your grips and voicing choices, Sir.
Wow! Thanks!
Another great video. Great playing. Bonus for Huff riff. Looking forward to the video on making each mode foot switchable 😃
Thanks for watching!
Great tone and great playing as always. You always sell yourself short an how tasty a player you are. Love your channel!!! Keep picking Mason.
Thanks so much!
Great video. I had a 90s version but sold it a few years ago, the power was an issue for me. Will definitely pick up a new one.
They're great, so are the reissues!
So glad to see TC has reissued this iconic chorus. Now if they would only reissue the TC1210 and 2290!
Yes!!!
Tnx For The Great & Clear Comparisson.
Also for nerds like me, notice the Intensity and Width knob placements got switched around from the old original ones. That kinda threw me off at first when I got the gold one. The purple ones have this also.
Good point!
WOW! And a good price for this unit as well. I might have to pick me one up after I get my tubes in for my head this week even though they're out of stock but seems they have more being made on back order.
Try also Reverb and Gear Exchange (Sweetwater)!
Sold. Sounds Awesome.
I needed a Chorus for my Church Board.
Definately one of the Best i've heard.
It's a great one!
Another killer video!!!
🙏🙏🙏
I have this on my list to buy! It’s fantastic.
Get them while you can, Sweetwater is already sold out!
this is the pedal i've been looking 4 ages (really!) im gonna get it as soon as available 🤘
Another great video. I thought TC was owned by Behringer now. If so, it makes sense they'd use those parts but I didn't know Boss was. That was pretty wild to find out.
Are they? Didn't know that.
What I´d love to see is Vertex version of the trichorus 😁 maybe sourcing the bbd´s from cool audio!
It’s a consideration
Great playing bro
🙏🙏🙏
The new one is definitely brighter, and less subtle than the vintage one, but I actually prefer it. This definitely has a good shot of getting on my board!
Any comments on using, setting, evaluating the variable preamp on these things would be welcome. How do others set it in line with a typical series pedalboard? I always set mine turned up about a quarter of the way on.
I usually try to set it at unity gain (no boost). Sometimes if you use in an effects loop you might have to knock it down more and make up the gain on the return. The easiest way is to put it in a true bypass loop and A/B it so you can nail the output to unity gain. You can also just unplug it and go direct to your amp to get a baseline on the output level. I would say definitely around 8:00 - 10:00 is typically unity gain (depending on the pot tolerance).
Hello Mason,
great video, playing & comparison - thank you for your fine work !
Just a quick question:
For pedalboard owners with a pre- and post-buffer (and everything else in between “true bypass”) would this buffered only pedal somewhere in the middle of the chain “mess” with the signal and/or impedances ?!
Thanks in advance for your answer & keep up the great work 👌🏼 Regards from Hamburg (Germany) 🤗
Roland 🎸
It sounds beautiful. I had one some 15 years ago and sold it, which i regret.
The reissue for $149...can't go wrong!
@@VertexEffectsInc WOW I didn´t know about this 149 version. I´m spoiled haha
This was excellent Mason I have totally been curious about this pedal and very curious about the comparison with the vintage models… Takes up a lot of space in paddleboard for a horse petal but you know nothing else is doing it for me… Thank you!
This pedal really isn't that big, with top jacks it's no bigger than an MXR size 1590B box (like a phaser) once you put side jacks in it.
I enjoy your video’s Mason. I owned a true recording studio throughout the mid-90’s thru around 2006 when the home studio boom put me out of business, ive been playing music for 30 years & i studied electronics for 2 yrs in school in the early 90’s and I still find alot of useful info on your channel and i enjoy watching week to week (and yes i am subscribed). A video on vintage rack gear and guitar would be pretty cool. I like how they are starting to bring alot of the stuff we used in the studio into the guitar pedal world now; ie cxm 1978, Cali76, Free the Tone (2290 & Dyno Tri-Chorus), The preamp pedals like the Colorbox, Broadcast, Lauren Mustang & Milkman Poptop. Just awesome. I wish Korg would reissue the SDD delay aa a pedal again. Do you know any good clone pedals of the original Electric Mistress? I sure miss mine! Have a great one.
Hey Mel! Thanks for watching! Yes...there are some cool reissues and replicas coming out. The video last week on the RV-7 Reverb is a great one if you want the Lexicon sound that's more characteristic of guitars and not what was used on Blade Runner (CXM 1978). Equally, I always thought it was strange to use a pedal version of an 1176 and then use if first in the chain? What guitar player ever used an 1176 before the mic? I do like the Free The Tone 2290...in mono just like the OG version. I don't think anyone's fully nailed the Tri Stereo Chorus, closest I've found is the Red Seven Lil Wave, but it's mono. I typically just use the DC-2W these days for chorus and use it in the Dimension D setting. For the EXH Electric Mistress, I think Retro-Sonic makes one as does Past Effects.
Retro Sonic makes a pretty good Electric Mistress clone ....
@@meridian2112 As said above :)
Mason, what do you think is closer to Dann Huff chorus? The BOSS Dimension C or this pedal?
Thanks Mason
I had no idea they were only 140 $$. !!!!
I have two vintage one but one isn’t working and the tech I know says he can’t fix it
But he didn’t even take it and open it
They are very fixable - many schematics for the originals are out there and unless the BBD’s are shot - should be a simple fix.
I hate to add to the "mystique of vintage" thing, but yeah - I prefer the old unit. But if I did not already have an old one, I'd be happy with the reissue, especially for $149. The old a/c cord is a pain. It was crazy long until I shortened it - reluctantly - but will also say it DOES save you a port on your power supply. I often have an a/c power strip somewhere on my boards.
You can also convert the vintage one to 18V as I did very easily!
@@VertexEffectsInccan we get a link on this conversion from AC to 18 volt?
I'm pretty sure (as the owner of an OG TC Chorus Pedal + a 1210 unit), that the purple-label Chorus pedal here is itself either a reissue or a very late model.
The OG series of TC Pedals (incl. Compressor/Sustainer, Distortion/Booster, EQ etc) were all-black with white, embossed writing.
Either way, it's never left my pedalboard & is my holy-grail chorus (outside of the Yamaha UD Stomp). Lush sound, awful Flanger (imho) but a really nice Pitch Modulation too.
Happy hunting to those looking for an OG, I might just have to buy the re-issue as an inexpensive substitute!
It’s actually the paint texture more than the purple square that delineate the vintage. No texture pain is a vintage version, textured paint is a later incarnation.
@@VertexEffectsInc gotcha!
I've put money down for the black re-issue, at my local shop. Thnx for the demo!
I thought the original s were black (no purple) and said “of Denmark” on them
Bought the reissue a few months ago. Works great
Great unit for sure!
I heard a touch more brightness too. Somewhat surprised it took this long for a reissue.
Yes, definitely brighter, but not in a bad way!
@@VertexEffectsInc Not in anyway bad. I actually prefer a slightly brighter chorus/flange sound. This may be next on the must get list.
@@jpistolas Nice!!!
Great job on the comparison. Sweet playing too. Definitely more treble in the reissue, more hifi.
Thanks for watching
I got one, it was soooo nice, I bought it twice ! Now I have two ! (Same with my Vertex "Boost MKII).
Good choice! Thanks for the support!
I have two all black originals and I got the new gold one. Have not yet done a critical comparison. The new one sounds pretty good though on a few gigs, certainly more convenient.
Definitely well worth the price of admission for $149!
Generally speaking, you want a pedal that gives you something you don't already have. I'd say this qualifies.
For $149, can't beat it!
Great playing man!
Wow! Thanks!
I have had this pedal for years, but always wondered why it didn’t sound very wet… Now I know why.. I was running it in the effects loop instead of the front of the amp…
Now my main 80’s/90’s magazine ad pedal fetish can come to fruition!
Hahahahaha!
@@VertexEffectsInc damnit man! You’ve got great taste.
@@luthiervandros 80's for life!
Hell yea! Can't beat that price even if it's half as good as the original!
Absolutely!!!
It sounded like the vintage had more high end than the reissue. But I'm getting one for my stereo rig. This is what I've been looking for.
Nice!
Mine just arrived after a 3 month wait... Killer device!
Great playing, however, this video convinced me to not get a Reissue, but instead bite the bullet and get a vintage one.
Still, this video proves useful in that regard, so thanks a ton!
Would love to see a similar format comparing a vintage Memory Man pedal to what EHx is currently offering!
That'd be cool!
What Giant/ Dan Huff song is that?
Great playing, do you think this pairs well with a Collider for ambient type stuff?
Absolutely
When you use the tremolo and Flanger at the same time it is hard to know "what is what"
I have two SCFs one from 80's and one from 90's. To my ears, they sound different from each other but not in a bad way, but reissue couldn't catch the "darkness" of the original pedal.
The circuits had changes over time...typically the all black (no purple square) is considered the original "vintage" version, however I've seen versions with the purple square which have the same PCBs and the all black version.
Great video! Have you or could you demo making a patch cable or instrument cable with dual shielded instrument wire? Not much info available 🙏
We have, watch our making Pete Cornish cable video with the Belden 8412
Awesome! I’ve learned so much from your channel! Thanks so much for all the content and replying 🙏
Thanks for this amazing video. Although both pedals sound very similar I think the older generation pedals are better for the hardcore true analog tone seekers. But the old units have already reached their goal by creating iconic sounds and value. Since the new item is a new item, the companies have to apply changes to reach some new customers. 😉
Well...both are true analog. But yes, there are some differences, no doubt. The newer version is brighter, but also the older versions are often out of calibration and are all over the place so it's hard to say how they might stack up if all are calibrated and new (but we don't have a time machine). I think the big advantage of the new version is the 9VDC for sure. There are some "vibe" and "vintage" aspects of the original that can't be fully re-created, we don't have access to the same BBDs then as we do now, but I think they're in an acceptable range if you want a great analog stereo chorus for $149.
I’ve had the SCF Gold on my board for a few gigs and I’ve noticed it adds a touch of compression in either bypass mode or on? Took it off the board last night and my amp dynamics returned to what they should be. Anyone notice this? Thanks
Yes, didn’t like what the buffer did to the signal so took mine off too, gave it a kinda hard, less forgiving, tone.
Noticed it too, it compresses a little and adds a little bit of harshness in the upper frequencies, even in bypass. Might be fine or even an improvement depending on your rig. I already had several buffers on my board so it seemed to take away from the tone, so I put it in a true bypass loop. But definitely not a clean bypass on this one.
Went back to the Corona, problem solved
IMHO the CHORUS is better to my ears in REISSUE, but the PITCH mode in vintage SMOKES the reissue....just my 2c,
Thanks for watching!
Can you please add the link to the set up you mentioned for this demo? I can't seem to find it. Thanks
Your link proves that Amazon isn’t the cheapest place in town!
I just ordered this using your link and found the price is cheaper by over $300.00 than what’s on Amazon!!
It might be backordered with Sweetwater but it’s not worth $300.00 to get it sooner.
Great! So glad you found a good price!
@@VertexEffectsInc
I'm glad I checked your link before I ordered from Amazon!
Glad you shared the link maing.
Only saying what I saw. Not babbling though.
Hands down the original vintage SCF sounds way warmer and smoother.
The reissue sounds real bad on the flanger and way more metallic on all 3 modes. I've used different headphones and listen few times.
You did great job except for noticing the huge differences 😅
Ya, I didn’t care for the reissue Flanger either😢
Agreed. Original’s mojo is warmer, and more defined, with virtually no clipping compared to the reissue. You can hear the depth and quality of the 120 vac original on Eric Johnson’s majestic recordings. The 80s really had it!
What I like about my original one, is the input impedance, that enables me to even preamplify a passive Fender Rhodes piano - in a clean way.
I don´t like the stereo-chorus not being mono compatible, which applies to many stereo chorus pedals, where the other side is just a phase reversed version of the first side.
Use the choruses mono out only - problem solved. Only thing: It´s not "stereo" anymore..hmmm...
I think all of this can be said for the reissue, too.
The reissue is the same as the OG version as far as how it treats the mono and stereo outputs.
sounds great thank you
Super cool pedal, where are these being made now?
Not sure???
China
I'm actually amazed that TC released this oedal at this affordable orice, if I remember correctly, the originals were sold new at boutique prices! Sooo, how does this compare to just using chorus and flanger on the plethora?
Plethora = fully digital. This pedal is fully analog BBD chorus. No comparison.
Mostly agree with u, the modern 1 is a bit brighter w/flange. I never owned a TCE but will consider 1. Thanks!
They’re great!
The re-issue is more than just brighter in the upper frequencies. It's almost like there is some aliasing in the signal of the upper frequencies. Strange, almost a harsh element, but I may be hearing things. Are my ears playing tricks on me?
Harsh? No. Most chorus' will cut bass and add top end. For clean tones, that is desirable for me, but I wouldn't call it harsh by a mile.
@@masongregory278 where do you heard clipping? Time stamp please.
Has anyone ever told you that you look like Jack Black? Anyway, great video for I received this first generation pedal as a package deal when I bought a second hand guitar. It came with a Guv'nor by Marshall and a Heavy Metal by Boss (which I was told is also a first generation made in Japan). I mostly use a Boss Gt-1 pedal board and haven't even try connecting those pedals since I barely have the time to play nowadays. When the guy sold it to me, he said that this was Slash standard pedal (except for the Cry Baby)
I suppose if they wanted to insult how I looked, sure. I’m more partial to the Ricki Lake or Rosie O’Donnell comparisons. Sounds like you made out good on that deal. Those old Marshall pedals are worth a bit now! Same with MIJ Boss pedals.
@@VertexEffectsInc That thought never cross my mind but I am a great fan of Jack Black especially School of Rock. Thank you for the information, I know my gear a little better now.
@UCikGLR6GrrmDQJR4B_MDWKQ No not at all except that the latter one were made in Korea. I did not think that it made a difference for pedal effect like it does for let say a 1961 Stratocaster Made in the US and one made in Mexico last year.
Chorus befor the amp is my way also💜🎸🤘🖖
It could be used in a loop, it just didn't want to adjust the line level settings out of the line out or clip the pedal inadvertently. I also figured more people would use it this way.
@@VertexEffectsInc yep exactly, and it sounds richer befor a gainstage💜🖖🤘
How can you get a metheny chorus/delay sound with one amp and as few pedals as possible. Would love to see that
I wish I knew!
JC 120 and a good tape delay.
Go!!!
I own an original. The reissue does sound a little bright. But it sounds great. Thanks for the video.
It's brighter for sure...but also there are inconsistencies in the vintage versions and they drift over time and often become darker as they age.
@@VertexEffectsInc Oh I’d buy a reissue in a heartbeat. It’s a classic must have pedal. Ps. Enjoyed the “walking on the moon” sound. Dailed it in just yesterday. Such a great sound and song.
@@danconn8535 Hey, thanks!!!
I feel that if there is a difference it neither makes the new one better or worse . I never listen with my eyes but like every one that says that I am a liar, LOL. I think what would be cool is for you to set up the pedals but let someone else switch them so you have to choose which one is which. That way you only have one pair of ears to listen with. The others will be starring at the camera.😊
Thanks for watching! Could be something that That Pedal Show does, that's sorta their wheelhouse.
Thank you!!!
I think the new version sounds boosted maybe a bit more ‘girth’?
Could be a matter of adjusting the input gain level
Been eyeing these, I thought they were about $300, maybe that was just the gold version. It sounds killer! I agree with your assessment of the differences in sound for sure. Maintains the mojo of the original, but yes some differences. Great pedal, liked the Walking on the Moon outro, legit!
Currently the black version is $159, the Gold version is $179. Jump on it while you can!
Hi ! nice video can i ask for the chords at 7:11 ? i can of get them but precise name or notes of the chords would be could they sound really cool thx man ! ( i found one of those vintage model i think i will buy it )
The first chord he plays is Em11. Then he plays a C69 and hammers on to the Maj 7th
This pedal was first introduced in 1976
Great!
Already $159 and out of stock! Thanks for the great video
Enjoy!
I really hope they reissue the Booster+ 🥺
Fingers crossed!
@@VertexEffectsInc Bob Mould used that as his main distortion in Hüsker Dü, and I think Frank Black used it in the Pixies. Bob Mould’s rig is so cool haha look it up
@@codymcgrew4015 Nice!
Is the Pitch Modulation the same as "Vibrato" or is there something different going on in this pedal?
It seems like the chorus channel with faster speeds to my ear.
@@VertexEffectsInc interesting... either way, it's a nice feature set in a single box. Seems like a real nice pedalboard space saver. Thanks for the video!
Mason, is the stereo output on the RI out of phase with the mono output, like the original? I was bummed when I got my original and realized it wasn’t going to play nice with my stereo reverbs, ESPECIALLY the P.M. mode, which is the mode I figured I’d use the most. I assume your wet/dry rig gets around this, since your reverb pedal is processing a mono signal.
Yes, I think so.
I’m an HUGE TC Electronics user-almost all of my pedalboard is dominated by their gear. I have, like, 9 TC pedals, 1 Keeley Dyno-My-Roto, a Boss DS-1, a Crowther Hotcake, a Caline 10-band EQ, and three pedals whose manufacturers i can’t recall (a 7-band EQ, a noise gate, and a Little Black Buffer). Nonetheless, I’ve never heard of this pedal, and now I’m in love. If only it had a tremolo rather than a pitch shifter…
Then again, wish into one hand and shite in the other, which will first fill up? I’m’na pick up one of these pedals . I love the sound of the reissue, quite frankly. Especially with regards to the flanger, the vintage module sounds comparatively anaemic, so for once I’m delighted to purchase the new version without feeling as if I’m ‘settling’.
Thanks for a great review, mate.
Sounds great.
Yes indeed!
Very interesting! Question: why did you tune your guitar half a tone down?
Strats should be tuned a half step down, as God intended!
that's very cool man
Thanks for watching!
I think that the hippest thing about the original was the ability to go stereo.
Nothing about that is changed on the reissue. It is still stereo.