The 2 Catherine's (of Aragon and Parr) are my favorite wives of King Henry the 8th. Such intelligent magnanimous women: patient strong characters. Calm yet powerful, loving and nurturing. Neither Henry nor Thomas were worthy of them.
I thought Catherine Parr was an idiot. Henry dies and leaves Parr finally free to make her own choice and the woman choose to marry a man who was obviously out to gain wealth and advancement with the least amount of effort. Even before he wed Parr he tried to get his brother’s permission to marry Princess Elizabeth. Parr was his consolation price.
It is sad that she never had a happy marriage where a child was born but in the records it's not clear if she was ever fully innocent of what Thomas had done
Indeed. On one occasion, Kat Ashley, Elizabeth's guardian, came across Thomas and Catherine in a "wrestling contest" with Elizabeth. Catherine was holding Elizabeth while Thomas ripped apart her dress with a sword until she was down to her underwear. This was apparently not the only instance of "high jinks" in which the three took part. Very odd behavior on the part of Catherine who claimed to be a proper evangelical Protestant.
@@nassauguy48 Plus Kat Ashley had brought it up numerous times according to the record. I think Catherine new but didn't want to believe it. This is something that unfortunately even comes across today. Mothers will refuse to believe their daughters and would often place the blame on them
@@nassauguy48 yep people like to forget the actual history behind this and i think elizabeth was the victim being taken advantage of and not a willing participant
@@thepinkestpigglet7529 There was that, you’re right. I guess I blocked out that story because it was just so bizarre and disturbing. Just…why? How? Huh?
Great series. Pity only series 1! There is more tension when edward dies at the end of first series and Mary starts burning non-catholics and locks Elizabeth in the tower for a few months and more heads roll...
Childhood didn't exist then. Elizabeth was a well brought up and religious young lady and was expected to know better. She outranked him and could therefore refuse him. She denied all knowledge though but we'll never know if that was true or not. She was not stupid.
@@MsJubjubbirdShe was a child. Even if she refused that wouldn't stop him. I can't believe you are blaming her when at the time she was a child. You should know better.
@@makennaharris2965 @makennaharris2965 totally different social structures and rules in those days. Childhood didn't really exist as we know it. She was a considered a woman as soon as she hit puberty. They got four year olds to go hunting and experience their first blood. She would have been to church ad studied the Bible vigorously and known it was wrong. However, rank was everything. She was the third in line to the throne and could refuse him, report him or insist on a chaperone. The blame is shared between both.
@roxyortiz8819 There is no need to be rude over a TV series. You look very uneducated going beserk like that. Any historian will tell you that you cannot judge people's actions based on moder values. People are heavily influenced by the society around them and the society tells them what is right and wrong. This might not sit right with us today, but in those days Elizabeth was an educated adult and she had the ability to refuse or not have him in her presence. Rank superseded age and she was number 4 in the kingdom, behind her siblings and the lord protector.
They really did… I miss Phillipa Gregory’s series when that occurs. At least when they swore in Spanish Princess they acknowledged it wasn’t proper manners for them.
@@renshiwu305true, and they even had mary, who was brought up in such a way that she knew no bad words at all for most of her life (she heard the word whore for the first time after she became queen and didn't know what it meant) use it sm times.
Satisfied. Thomas Seymour got what he deserved. Considering he tried to gaslight and groom his stepniece and stepdaughter Elizabeth (who was 13) and kill his young nephew Edward VI. Also he was such an unfaithful and terrible husband to poor Catherine Parr. All she wanted was to became free of Henry VIII and wanted to make a happy family, but Thomas heartlessly betrayed his wife and used young 13-year-old stepdaughter just to fill up his greed for more power. He was such a stupid and greedy man who should have known his place earlier. Maybe Anne Boleyn and George Boleyn cursed him because he and his elder brother Edward planned to draw Anne out and made them sentenced to death so they can make their sister Jane Seymour the second queen consort of Henry VIII. I think Anne Boleyn would have been satisfied if she watched Thomas' neck decapitated since he is the archenemy who resulted in her death and tried to tempt her beloved daughter Elizabeth.
Thomas and Edward didn't bring about Anne's downfall. They only forced Jane to become Henry's mistress. They did hope that Henry would eventually leave Anne for Jane, but they probably thought he'd just divorce her. They could never have imagined that she would be sentenced to death because anne was the first queen to ever be executed. Other queens' lives have been spared even for adultery and rebellion against kings. The only people who caused Anne's death were Henry and Cromwell (who was 100% acting on Henry's orders) because Henry no longer loved Anne but he knew that an annulment wouldn't be enough because Jane's children's legitimacy would be disputed if Anne was still alive. However, Thomas was still a worthless trash-piece who deserved his death. His brother too.
I know everyone is talking what Thomas did to teen elizabeth. I know its wrong but think about elizabeth father, Henry whilst being married to cathrine of aragon he had mistress and even had son with one if his mistresses. (Elizabeth blount). He then seduced anne bolyen changed his religion and ecame supreme head of church if England. But when Anne didn't give him a son he had no more use for or head, lied about anne saying she committed adultery and treason when it was him, but he was the king he was more powerful on earth. He had his sweet moments but he is no better than Thomas seymour, in fact the book I'm reading Thomas and cathrine fell in love he was eager to marry her he couldn't wait till she is lut of mourning. Thomas was also below Henry meaning that he was just a baron. In the book it mentioned no ladies even the ones attracted to his charm wanted to marry him. But with cathrine there was a connection
Henry was the Head of the Church. He could do what he liked without question, even if people thought otherwise. Thomas Seymour was a nobleman who cheated on the Dowager Queen by supposedly seducing her 15 year old stepdaughter- whether Elizabeth played a part we will never know
Why even bring this up? Everyone knows that Henry 8th was a horrible man who used and discarded women as he pleased. Yet this series happens AFTER his death, that's why noone discusess it... No need for history recourse.
Didn’t she historically return to court after one of the servants? Governess? Let it slip to make everyone think she had lost her maiden head. If I remember correctly she spent the next year? 4 years? Wearing white dresses, no makeup, and simple girlish hairstyles in a attempt to change public opinion. Are they gonna put that in the show?
Actually the actress, Jessica Raine, is still older than Catherine Parr was when she died. She was about 39-40 when shooting, Catherine died at 36. Joely Richardson in The Tudors was in her mid 40s, so a little bit older but not much.
Infatuations? There are historical records suggesting grooming/molesting or at the very least some improper flirtatious behaviour towards her... Inappropriate any way you look at it, not just ''infatuations'', read up.
@@Lily1127channel I think they’re referring to the comment that says the actress for Catherine looks younger than the one for Elizabeth. Which I would definitely disagree with as well.
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Yikes Thomas is absolutely awful here, so arrogant! Poor Catherine, you really feel for her on this scene. Thanks for posting Lili!
Yeah, a horrible man!
Parr is like did you forget who I was married to before you? You think you can play this game and win... ok boo.
I think Catherine isn’t seeing what he refuses to say. That he would set her aside or quietly kill her, rather than not marry Elizabeth.
The 2 Catherine's (of Aragon and Parr) are my favorite wives of King Henry the 8th. Such intelligent magnanimous women: patient strong characters. Calm yet powerful, loving and nurturing. Neither Henry nor Thomas were worthy of them.
100% agree!
Did you forget about Catherine Howard? Cus she was Henry’s wife before Parr was
@@HealthyObbsession No, I did not. She is not one of my favorite one of his wives. Only the 2 Catherine's I mentioned are.
Did you know Catherine Parr’s mother was a lady to Catherine of Aragon? And, Parr was named for the first of Henry’s first queen.
I thought Catherine Parr was an idiot. Henry dies and leaves Parr finally free to make her own choice and the woman choose to marry a man who was obviously out to gain wealth and advancement with the least amount of effort. Even before he wed Parr he tried to get his brother’s permission to marry Princess Elizabeth. Parr was his consolation price.
Apologétic sinner or defiant (cheating)husband.She already knows the answer.
It is sad that she never had a happy marriage where a child was born but in the records it's not clear if she was ever fully innocent of what Thomas had done
Indeed. On one occasion, Kat Ashley, Elizabeth's guardian, came across Thomas and Catherine in a "wrestling contest" with Elizabeth. Catherine was holding Elizabeth while Thomas ripped apart her dress with a sword until she was down to her underwear. This was apparently not the only instance of "high jinks" in which the three took part. Very odd behavior on the part of Catherine who claimed to be a proper evangelical Protestant.
@@nassauguy48 Plus Kat Ashley had brought it up numerous times according to the record. I think Catherine new but didn't want to believe it. This is something that unfortunately even comes across today. Mothers will refuse to believe their daughters and would often place the blame on them
@@nassauguy48 yep people like to forget the actual history behind this and i think elizabeth was the victim being taken advantage of and not a willing participant
@@micheleford4282 ...she was a 13 year old girl
@@micheleford4282 she was a child. these were her guardians. she literally could not be a willing participant.
Poor, poor Catherine Parr. She deserved a better husband.
She helped her husband hack up a dress Elizabeth was wearing
@@thepinkestpigglet7529 There was that, you’re right. I guess I blocked out that story because it was just so bizarre and disturbing. Just…why? How? Huh?
Yeah, I don’t believe that happened
Catherine was complicit in Elizabeth being preyed on by Seymore
Perhaps, but she did turn it around by sending Elizabeth away, and probably saved Elizabeth from ruin.
Ive only saw Jessica Raine in Wolf hall but she really does some fine work here.
I forgot she played Jane Boleyn!
She was in the early seasons of Call the Midwife. the first 3 or4.
Great series. Pity only series 1! There is more tension when edward dies at the end of first series and Mary starts burning non-catholics and locks Elizabeth in the tower for a few months and more heads roll...
I'd have loved to see Mary's reign because she's the only Tudor monarch I like and find remotely interesting to read about
'Seducing'? More like molesting. And Catherine was said to have instigated most of the attacks.
Childhood didn't exist then. Elizabeth was a well brought up and religious young lady and was expected to know better. She outranked him and could therefore refuse him. She denied all knowledge though but we'll never know if that was true or not. She was not stupid.
@@MsJubjubbirdShe was a child. Even if she refused that wouldn't stop him. I can't believe you are blaming her when at the time she was a child. You should know better.
@@makennaharris2965 @makennaharris2965 totally different social structures and rules in those days. Childhood didn't really exist as we know it. She was a considered a woman as soon as she hit puberty. They got four year olds to go hunting and experience their first blood. She would have been to church ad studied the Bible vigorously and known it was wrong. However, rank was everything. She was the third in line to the throne and could refuse him, report him or insist on a chaperone. The blame is shared between both.
@roxyortiz8819 There is no need to be rude over a TV series. You look very uneducated going beserk like that. Any historian will tell you that you cannot judge people's actions based on moder values. People are heavily influenced by the society around them and the society tells them what is right and wrong. This might not sit right with us today, but in those days Elizabeth was an educated adult and she had the ability to refuse or not have him in her presence. Rank superseded age and she was number 4 in the kingdom, behind her siblings and the lord protector.
@@MsJubjubbird Elizabeth got up early to dress so she could avoid Thomas Seymour. That doesn't look like Elizabeth consenting.
Catherine: She has been my daughter.
RIIIIIGGGGGGHHHHHHTTTTTT. What a good mom. ugh smh. Thomas is right, she does do herself a disservice.
Thomas Seymour, 1st Baron Seymour of Sudeley, and the Diddy of England.
Wow, they did use every opportunity to use the word f@cking --be interested to find out who the producers are.
They really did… I miss Phillipa Gregory’s series when that occurs. At least when they swore in Spanish Princess they acknowledged it wasn’t proper manners for them.
Quite distracting. The ubiquitous F-word is ahistorical and, people being commonly religious, quite out of place with people's character.
@@renshiwu305true, and they even had mary, who was brought up in such a way that she knew no bad words at all for most of her life (she heard the word whore for the first time after she became queen and didn't know what it meant) use it sm times.
Satisfied. Thomas Seymour got what he deserved. Considering he tried to gaslight and groom his stepniece and stepdaughter Elizabeth (who was 13) and kill his young nephew Edward VI. Also he was such an unfaithful and terrible husband to poor Catherine Parr. All she wanted was to became free of Henry VIII and wanted to make a happy family, but Thomas heartlessly betrayed his wife and used young 13-year-old stepdaughter just to fill up his greed for more power.
He was such a stupid and greedy man who should have known his place earlier. Maybe Anne Boleyn and George Boleyn cursed him because he and his elder brother Edward planned to draw Anne out and made them sentenced to death so they can make their sister Jane Seymour the second queen consort of Henry VIII. I think Anne Boleyn would have been satisfied if she watched Thomas' neck decapitated since he is the archenemy who resulted in her death and tried to tempt her beloved daughter Elizabeth.
Thomas and Edward didn't bring about Anne's downfall. They only forced Jane to become Henry's mistress.
They did hope that Henry would eventually leave Anne for Jane, but they probably thought he'd just divorce her.
They could never have imagined that she would be sentenced to death because anne was the first queen to ever be executed.
Other queens' lives have been spared even for adultery and rebellion against kings.
The only people who caused Anne's death were Henry and Cromwell (who was 100% acting on Henry's orders) because Henry no longer loved Anne but he knew that an annulment wouldn't be enough because Jane's children's legitimacy would be disputed if Anne was still alive.
However, Thomas was still a worthless trash-piece who deserved his death. His brother too.
Its the cleavest couple fight and so "elegantemente", and wises games of words to take him the reason from Catalina
Thomas shouldn’t have done that to Catherine
yeah great game of thrones moment
She was 14 years old..
I know everyone is talking what Thomas did to teen elizabeth. I know its wrong but think about elizabeth father, Henry whilst being married to cathrine of aragon he had mistress and even had son with one if his mistresses. (Elizabeth blount). He then seduced anne bolyen changed his religion and ecame supreme head of church if England. But when Anne didn't give him a son he had no more use for or head, lied about anne saying she committed adultery and treason when it was him, but he was the king he was more powerful on earth. He had his sweet moments but he is no better than Thomas seymour, in fact the book I'm reading Thomas and cathrine fell in love he was eager to marry her he couldn't wait till she is lut of mourning. Thomas was also below Henry meaning that he was just a baron. In the book it mentioned no ladies even the ones attracted to his charm wanted to marry him. But with cathrine there was a connection
Henry was the Head of the Church. He could do what he liked without question, even if people thought otherwise. Thomas Seymour was a nobleman who cheated on the Dowager Queen by supposedly seducing her 15 year old stepdaughter- whether Elizabeth played a part we will never know
Why even bring this up? Everyone knows that Henry 8th was a horrible man who used and discarded women as he pleased. Yet this series happens AFTER his death, that's why noone discusess it... No need for history recourse.
Poor Catherine! It's hard to accept that the man you loved and who is the father of your child, is a pos.
Oh Hollywood forgetting that Catherine Parr helped Thomas hack up a dress Elizabeth was wearing
No, it was not forgotten 😀 That scene was in episode 3 before this
Didn’t she historically return to court after one of the servants? Governess? Let it slip to make everyone think she had lost her maiden head. If I remember correctly she spent the next year? 4 years? Wearing white dresses, no makeup, and simple girlish hairstyles in a attempt to change public opinion. Are they gonna put that in the show?
He groomed the princess & seduced her. He’s a creeper.
The catherine parr in tudors is way older and in becoming elizabeth she looks way young
Actually the actress, Jessica Raine, is still older than Catherine Parr was when she died. She was about 39-40 when shooting, Catherine died at 36. Joely Richardson in The Tudors was in her mid 40s, so a little bit older but not much.
1:50 is true Elizabeth was her fucking daughter, Thomas had "infatuations" about her, but thats all they were
Infatuations? There are historical records suggesting grooming/molesting or at the very least some improper flirtatious behaviour towards her... Inappropriate any way you look at it, not just ''infatuations'', read up.
They dropped F bombs all the time back in the 1500's.
Catherine looks younger than Elizabeth.
The Catherine actress is several years older though than the one playing Elizabeth.
No she’s doesn’t lol
@CordsZ Yes she is. Jessica Raine is 11 years older than Alicia von Rittberg.
@@Lily1127channel
I think they’re referring to the comment that says the actress for Catherine looks younger than the one for Elizabeth. Which I would definitely disagree with as well.
Interesting