I’m 57 and retired both from the military and law enforcement and I have a step-thru and everyone that sees it calls it badass. It’s a fun, comfortable ebike. My wife is short and a cancer patient and she has one too. It’s the reason she got an ebike because they are so big for her but she can ride the step-thru. By the way, they are beginning to sell more and more especially to seniors and those with injuries and disabilities. Glad they are making them.
I had this very discussion yesterday with another rider. We’re both over 6’ yet prefer a step-through. As you mentioned on numerous occasions, these bikes are big. And if you put a rear rack on it, it’s even more difficult to swing your let over it. But the main reason for getting a step-through is that pretty much anyone can get on/off and ride it whether it be a spouse, visiting guest or even a neighbor that want’s to test ride the bike.
I'm 5'1", waiting on my Pace 500 ST to be delivered to my local shop later this month. I barely fit on the medium, so I got the small and will put the seat up a bit. I love that there's an option for a small frame with 650b tires and step through, options you can't get with other brands at this price. A winning combo for someone like me, a shortie who's young but unfortunately has garbage joints from lupus. The only downside to not having a top tube is having less area on the bike to mount stuff. I haven't noticed any flex on the ones I test rode, and I'm a pretty thicc person, though to be fair I'm not doing any intense mountain biking. I think time and physical necessity will change the aversion to step throughs. As people age and face increasing difficulty mounting and dismounting their bikes, and see others make the switch to step throughs, they'll reconsider their priorities and realize personal comfort & safety are more important than some outdated aesthetic macho ideal based on external affirmation.
I just recently purchased the Ride1up 700-series step-through. I suffer from multiple Joint problems and the ST was my last hope for outdoor exercise. It's a great bike; now all I need is a comfortable seat!
Having the top bar makes the bike easier to grab and get up a few steps or to put on a bike stand or a bike carrier. As far as getting on, I lean the biker over and it's no problem with the top tube. It also gives me one more place to carry a few things like bungee cords or small items attached with straps. I do not think of step throughs as "girl's bikes" but more as uni-sex bikes for everyone.
Alright you got me. Next ebike will most lost likely be this Aventon. But I absolutely will not ever where those tight dress pants I see guys wearing that we would have called floods back in the day.Girls call them capris. But hey, short shorts are coming back In style.
It is to protect the Crown Jewels. The design has been engineered to minimise damage- if we all went girlie and then hit a sidewalk or forgot what break was what on a girls bike- we would shoot totally impeded to the solid handlebar post up front, rendering us unable to ever have offspring of our air and possibly incompetent. Definitely will need viagra - guess that’s not so bad now since it’s readily available but still, so you can ride a GIRLS bike?? Totally not worth it.
You didn’t hear John Wayne going: “Ohh naw Il need to swing my leg all the way over that mules back” Or cries to: “Cut a portion out of my horse so it’s easier to slip my leg over to the opposite saddle. Yes I hear you, the horse will suffer horrendous pain but it’s the 1800’s, we don’t really care!” Guys riding girls bikes are that equivalent of a hypothetical John Wayne I just painted for you and it wasn’t pretty was it.
So, I just bit the bullet and bought a Sondors LX “STEP-THROUGH”. I’m an old (61) moto-x rider and skier with bad knees and back and said, screw it, I’m buying a step through. Yup, we ALWAYS referred to them as “girls-bikes” when we were younger but damn, this step through 90lb ebike tank is bad-ass looking! Oh, I ordered in June and I’m looking at 4 months plus for delivery…
I thought about the LX, it's a killer looking machine. At the time I saw it it was pre- order and the Rize was available. I hope it's all you are looking for in an ebike and more.
@@thequadrider Thanks TA - I am just taking an educated guess with this purchase. What I liked most is it’s using the Bafang Ultra mid drive motor with 26 x 4.9” tires. It’s a powerful motor that can be hacked for more performance and uses a massive battery. Components are only average (& nothing special) but upgrades make sense with a 2.4 k purchase price including shipping. I understand it’s selling well too.
Hey, I like your videos, I'm 52 with osteoporosis and severe graves disease. I just bought an electric bike last week and I really enjoy it. I bought a step-through bike, I agree, the step through looks way better and way easier to get on and off. I also customized my bike with a basket, bottle holder, mirror, horn/alarm system and blue tooth speaker for music :)
I had the black step over ordered but after your other video I cancelled the order. Now I have the m/l red step through ordered. It’ll only delay my initial order by 4 days. I’m really glad I switched plus I’m getting the color I wanted. I’m 47 and 6’ tall also so stepping over wasn’t really an issue but why torture myself. Would be a little tougher with a bag on the back like you said.
Unless it's a really well made frame step overs tend to have less frame flex than what a step through does. My personal perfect bikes are mid step frames
The stepthrough was a marketing ploy of the 1890s to catch the womens market when women wore dresses, my thought about the bar being there for men could also have been popularized so that men could have a bike that they could identify with, being something that a skirt wearer couldn't use. Any guy that has had their boys come into contact with the top bar wondered what moron came up with that design. Nowadays savy marketers promote stepthroughs to both sexes thus increasing market share.
Not true, the step thru made sense for women because 1) women are almost always quite a bit lighter than men, and a step thru chassis is an inherently weaker design with lower weight limits all else equal and 2) women wear shorts and pants too, but lifting your leg up high and putting on a show for everyone is still considered a bit racy because men already think about sex all the time without provocation 3) having a male and female specific frame also was a size difference as frames designed for women were almost always physically smaller. Its just a bit obsolete now because they can make beefy more advanced frames that still carry a lot of weight even with that big empty V shape and women don't really care much if men watch them or even encourage it being much more sexual with public twerking and wearing extremely thin leggings on purpose and bikes often come in multiple sizes.
@@BoopSnoot Yes, yes and yes. Add to it a point made in the video. I often stack things on my rear rack such that you would have to be abnormally flexible to get your leg over. The Aventon would be ideal if they made their display more legible and ditched the thumb throttle.
I am 6ft tall--33 inch ins and I ride a 20 inch ebike.These things are way bigger then normal bikes.My 20 inch is the same size as my several year old 26 inch normal pedal mountainbike--and the handlebars of the 20 inch ebike are sitting about 2 inches higher then the 26 inch normal bike.If you plan on riding in town or near people--get what is easiest for you to use.If you are not talll say 6ft 2 or taller with long legs--get a 20 inch or stepthru--I am so glad I got the 20 inch version of my bike.
i think that you nailed it when you guessed that many folks that are buying e-bikes are older, from the generation when step through's were marketed as "girl's bikes". I have to say that the time, back when I was a teenager, when my pedal broke, it would have been much less painful if I had been riding a "girl's bike". Unfortunately I wasn't.
I don't consider them girls bikes at all, unless they are pink with flowers and handlebar streamers 😉 Frame strength, like Edward stated, is the primary advantage of high step frames. For ebikes you also have more options for battery expansion.
@@CitizenCycle925 I'm sure you're not but I'd definitely not suggest a 300lb person to ride one. Especially on rough terrain. I've heard of other step through designed e bikes cracking mid frame on even smaller riders. This is rare and could just be related to bad welding.
One advantage to the stepover bikes is the ability to carry them on a less expensive (ie cheap) bike carrier on you car. With no horizontal bar the step thrus are difficult to secure to the racks.
@@5DNRG Ive been a dirt bike rider a few years and really Id rather use a motor bike carrier anyway. Ive used the handle bars & the rear rack as tie points on the rack & in the PU bed. ** I do like the front fork lockout on the ebikes, better than my motorbikes I had to compress to tie down. strapped in my ebikes the same way as its just a learned behavior. [it works for me] * I was wondering why ebike racks are so light? And that bar in the middle? my thought was its easy to cut off as it gets in my way - lol I see the bike racks are light weight, as my bikes had been light weight [in the past] different bikes then. Todays Ebikes tend to be heavy, So my instinct to strap them in as I did motor bikes has served me well. I use the tie down straps & so far and a few years n miles later my 600 lb rated bike racks are hauling my ebikes fine as they hauled my motorbikes. the ebikes are easier to load than my motorbikes. I dont use a ramp for the ebikes got the ramps tho as they were needed on the motorbikes [my lightest was 250 lbs.] my ebikes are 73 lbs & I strap them in the same way on the ST and the step over. just like I did on the motor bikes. yes easier to just do it than describe it - my pappy taught me bout it long ago I was a good kid & kept quiet & did as I was told. whether it was right or wrong lol
After several incidents (falls from a standing position) I went for a step thru (Ride1up). It’s not perfect as the battery gets in the way of y foot, but it’s a heck of a lot easier to have chives about getting on and off the bike. Love it. Still riding long distances at 73.
I am 6'6" and road a men's bike for most of my life. After taking a few years off and getting over 50, when I went back to my old bike it was very difficult to get on it. I am looking for a new bike and I think it will be a step through
As a child of the 80's, there was always the stereotype that step thru bikes were for girls. I actually got teased as a child for riding my sister's bike on occasion. Personally, I didn't care as long as I was having fun out riding... and I was. As I got older, that stereotype eventually went on the wayside. As for the Aventure, I'm torn between the step over (large) and step thru (M/L) versions. In comparison, both versions have the same reach length from saddle to handlebars, wheelbase length and the same head tube length. The step over allows for more standover height and saddle height. Being that I'm 300 lbs and 5' 9" in height, I can fit both bikes comfortably and I love that they can both carry up to 400 lbs. If I were to get the step over version, I would get the large frame bike in camo green. If I were to go for the step thru, I would definitely get the step thru in electric red. I've done my research into this particular bike, but for some reason, I just can't decide which version to go with. I'm just hoping that when I decide to pull the trigger, the Aventon will feel like a large bike to me.
I'm glad you have fun with the step throughs and I think its fine for people to that like that style. However step thru frames just aren't a frame style that I like. It may be due to what bike I thought were cool when I was young and that has carried over to what I like in looks now. For me I just like the more classic step over look more. Its like looking at a 2 door jeep vs a 4 door jeep you just have a preferences for one look over the other. As far as age well I'm over 50 and am 5'10 so the step over isn't to big for me.
I just ordered the red step-thru and my husband ordered the black cross-bar version. The bike store said they are both unisex. Some guys are gonna view the crossbar version as more masculine. I think they both look kinda masculine with those beefy tires and the size of the bike. Can't wait for them to arrive. TFS
Your point about having to really hike up to get over a rear rack with a bag on it has confirmed my decision to get the step through Sinch. Also, the conflict with the latch on the step over version is a valid point as well. My wife just had hip surgery so the step through is the way to go for her once her rehab is done. We’ll be taking delivery in another day so we’ll find out soon enough how we like the ebike experience. Just for me at first anyways…
I wholeheartedly agree that the step-thru makes all the sense in the world, particularly if you are a 76 year-old dude like me. I bought a Trek Townie Go 5i back in October and I’ve put 1,500 miles on it since then. I’ve fallen a few times, but main reason I have fallen is trying to get on the darn thing. I’ve finally learned to lay the bike nearly on its side while holding on to the inner portion of the bars and then step over it, pulling the bike up under me as my right leg hits the ground. That kind of solved it. I just ordered a Himiway Zebra, and, guess what-I ordered the “girls’” version. Actually, I think we have to educate the biking world and the enthusiasts that “girls’” bike is kind of a misnomer these days. So, again, I enjoyed what you had to say about this.
A part of me just relates to standard frame because I grew up on them and girls always ride step through’s. Part of the appeal for someone buying a bike is the looks.I just wish I could get over the whole step through girls bike thing because it would actual suit me better than a step over frame.mobility being an issue for me.
You're absolutely correct! I didn't buy the step through because it looked like a girl's bike! Lol. I wish I watched this video three months ago! Great video!
5'10 Still lift my leg over. Feels right for me. I suppose logically when it to difficult for me to do so, maybe a step-through. I did like that Ariel Rider X-Class you introduced. that could be an option down the road. I'm 62 and (the big guy willing) will ride till I can't. For those who feel a step-through is a girl's bike, it's not. If I'm thinking adult-wise, this is another tool in my quest to ride till the end. Happy tails everyone.
Yes, they would be easier to get on, but without that missing triangle (top bar) I would be concerned about the pivoting stresses on the head tube and bottom bracket
I rode "womens" bikes for almost 18-20 years. My first nice big bike was a "womens" 10 speed. I even had a pink diamondback bmx bike during high school. Never really had anyone poking fun about it. I was asked a lot why. But hey, the bike was handed down to me by my best friends sister. And I loved that bike till it got stolen.
I just bought 2 M/L step through adventure bikes. I almost fell into the boy bike girl bike trap. I felt like I should not be buying the same bike as my wife. But I’m so glad I got the step through, especially because we carry child seats on our rear racks.
I love my step thru rad runner in white . Being 5.8 I am not a tall man and rad's step thru geometry works perfectly for me , the handle bars don't feel like I am reaching for them , plus since I love sitting upright , I sometimes love riding it for hours. Only thing I wish is for my bike to be a bit more powerful , the power comes gradually.
When I had my old human powered bike, as I got older I had to get on a curb in order to mount the bike (bad hips) So when I decided to get an e bike, I made the choice of getting a step thru and I am glad I did, cause i added a basket to the rear rack which would have made it impossible to mount it otherwise.
In the past 100 years or longer everyone including the Manufacture has claimed step-through bikes as Girls bikes, there for 99% of men will not purchase a Step-Through Bike due to being afraid of someone making fun of their manhood. Me and a lot of people these days are starting to see it slowly but surely the other way around. Now days I would buy a Step through for me and my wife, I am so short legged I can barely straddle a crack in the sidewalk, so a step through would be in my favor for sure.
It was a two part decision for me to get a step thru E-bike. I had owned a normal(?) - non-Ebike, for several years, and when I turned 70 I was having to lean the bike over to about 30 degrees to get my foot over the bar of my Men's bike. I tolerated it as something I'd have to live with if I wanted to keep riding. Then I had heart issues, wound up with a pacemaker, and started getting tired out after a few miles and started riding less and less. We moved to an area with numerous bike trails, and I wanted to ride but was afraid to venture more than three miles one direction. E-bikes were getting more popular, and I finally decided it was time to take the leap to a cheater bike. After months of shopping, and reading and doing more shopping, and more reading, I decided to purchase a not to expensive bike, and also decided that a girls bike is called a Step-thru bike because the manufacturers are marketing it to both sexes, and I should be a man, and get over the belief that step-thru means "Girls" bike. I bought my step-thru E-bike, and have not regretted it for a minute.
Yeah, 65 YO, mobility issues, purchased the step-thru. Purchased the Aventon Adventure. Had it drop shipped to my local bike shop for assembly. Will transport it on an Ebike carrier via a receiver hitch that UHAUL is putting on my car. Can't wait to start riding. Purchased it primarily to lug camera gear thru miles and miles of bike trails in the National/State parks. If people want to be shallow and criticize me for riding a girls bike, so be it. For me, I have to take care of my back. If I were riding the bike hard on mountain trails I would have most likely chosen a step over model for better frame stability and I definitely would have chosen a rear suspension model, like maybe one of the Beecool versions. But for me, I will be casually strolling thru the parks and maybe on the beach a little as well.
I’ve ordered a camouflage green, step-over Aventure. At the time of purchase, earlier this month, they estimates it would take 24 days before it would ship and an additional 3 to 5 business days before it would arrive here in Florida. They’re a hot commodity right now. Went with the step-over model because I can’t help but think the frame has a little more rigidity with the crossbar. I weigh over 200 lbs and expect to do a little bit of off-roading when the road conditions warrant it. Honestly, I also like the looks of the step-over model a little better too, but will have to say the red color on the step-through version looks absolutely beautiful and I did consider buying it also.
Honestly, my main reason for getting the crossbar was fear of frame stability, what with me being a big chonk. Otherwise I would've gone with that lovely red step-thru. Shame they don't have that red on the crossbar variant. Ended up ordering a tan bike 'cause the green or black would've taken till the end of august to ship.
Same reason I got the step over. I have health issues on top and still went with step over. I just feel a little safer on this style bike. It's really not that difficult to step over. Just lean bike in towards myself putting upper bar lower to ground and no problem. I have went over once before at a stop when I first got my bike but I've since learned what not to do to keep the bike from over powering me to the ground because it certainly can when ones not as healthy as they once was or strong like they once was.
I'm 6'3" and usually swing a leg over the rear tire and up onto the seat of an XL bike 22.5" seat post. The top tube is way too high to go over it in front of the seat. Two weeks ago I rode, for the first time, an ebike that was and older model with the battery pack on a rear rack sitting over the tire. A sharp battery corner caught the backside of my knee, leaving a nice wound. Had I stepped thru the frame in front of the seat, there wouldn't be a healing knee. Also am looking for a rear rack so the days of swinging over might come to and end. I agree that the step thru ebikes look cleaner, so maybe a step thru is the next bike.
As a college student, the top tube was necessary for me to carry my bike up 3 floors to keep in my room so it doesn’t get stolen. Easier to rest the tube on my shoulder. Now that I have a garage, step thru all day and twice on Sunday.
I'm about to pull the trigger on a Troxus. The step over version is sold out in black so I was debating between getting the blue step over and the black step through. My main hesitation is worrying about the long term durability of the step through. They've got that little bit of extra metal welded at the bottom for structural support, but I would imagine that not having a cross bar at the top would greatly diminish the structural integrity of the bicycle. Triangles are strong. I'm probably gonna just go with the step through, I don't really like the blue color and it's got a 2 year warranty. By then hopefully I'll be done with college and able to afford a new bike anyway
The first bicycle I bought with my own money is step-through. This frame design has already saved me from some possibly nasty falls because I was able to simply step off before I would fall. I don't think I will get back to triangle-frame bicycles anytime soon. Step-through frames are just more comfortable.
I think it's human nature to always do what the pros do. The pros will usually use the bigger bikes with 27 or 29ers with the diamond frames. But those bikes are not very comfortable for casual riders. But still the image of those bikes will stay in people's heads. That's why I think men especially tend to first buy a diamond frame bike. Regardless of the reason, the step through makes way more sense for the typical casual rider. Most people I've observed tend to buy their bike too big. You can see them struggling when they stop.
I’m 6’3 and I do like step thrus for the accessibility. But I like my step over juiced ripcurrent s because I actually don’t feel too big on it. It’s just right. I also think the top tube adds more stability.
I'm 68... and I do have mobility problem. I like your review! But I have not bought an e-bike yet. I think I would like to see a e-trike review .... that would as well. Thanks
Three reasons: 1 sometimes I like to take a more relaxed sitting position on the bar instead of the standard lean over position on the seat when coasting, 2 it helps prevent my knees from knocking into each other, 3 I can hold more things on the bar
You *sit* on the bar! :O I can only imagine the pain I would be in if I did that, but good for you if you can tolerate that. I also prefer an upright position though, so I have a bike where that is the standard position (Dutch bike), but I totally see that that is less versatile of course, since I'm then stuck with that position and can't shift to the more forward leaning position. But still... man, I can't get over the idea of how much I would hurt if I tried to sit on the bar - maybe the ones I've seen with the crossbar just had thinner bars than yours does. I kind of hope so. As for knees; Have you tried a step through? Unless your knees knock into the crossbar too and that's what keeps them from hitting each other, (which I then imagine doesn't help much since they still hit something fairly solid,) then they also shouldn't hit against each other without the crossbar.
5’7 with bad everything below the eyes haha, got them Corps miles on my body. The step Thur V2 of this model is the one for me! Great video thank you for your review/opinion.
I built my own Ebike with a Giant Talon. Did not think to try to find a step through mountain/trail bike. And I never owned a step through so it never crossed my mind. But it is true that with back rack I have to really struggle to get that leg over.
@@mkyn-tl5oc When I was a kid they were known as girls bikes, there's a good chance you would have ended up in a fight or beat up if you road a "girls" bike. lol
Guys in Europe have no problems with step through’s. To them it’s just a bike that’s easier to get on. But in the good old U.S of A it’s all about bigger is better. lifted trucks, modified muscle cars,Tattoos,and beer guts and standard step over frames.
Yeah... The high bar is literally the *only* thing I don't like about my Himiway Cruiser. I get what you're saying about that rear rack too. Even at 6,4, I still barely clear that. I've only left it on the bike because I can hang Paniers off it. I even did seriously consider the Step-Thru, but it was a two month longer delivery time. Oh well. My next one will absolutely be a step-thru. Also, about the mirrors... I like bar-end mirrors too. They're certainly better than anything that mount inside the grips. But did you ever consider a digital mirror? Mine's pretty boss, cost about $65, and took about five minutes to put in. I don't know if you ever want to do a review on those ( www.amazon.com/Feisike-Handlebar-Function-Adjustable-Rotatable/dp/B08HMRSG58/ref=pd_yo_rr_rp_4/137-2235570-4854263?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B08HMRSG58&pd_rd_r=a5efa7f1-e369-44ce-93b7-9c6d58725802&pd_rd_w=eEVie&pd_rd_wg=2lZ9d&pf_rd_p=a3758ba2-6f64-43a7-b9f2-32c7970a3e6a&pf_rd_r=TQHEFEQCZK0QVGPHCR95&psc=1&refRID=TQHEFEQCZK0QVGPHCR95 ), but my experience is that this thing is better than any mirror I've tried yet. It would be interesting to see your take on this.
Hey Adam! Thanks! Im gonna go that way I think!…Don't hafta worry bout hittin mirrors on tree branches on tight single track trails! Makes sense to me…..
That crossbar can be very painful on men. And to be honest, women are more flexible legwise. So nowadays, the whole crossbar thing is backwards. Frames are plenty strong enough. If hard-core moutain biking, the crossbar can help muscle about, but otherwise...stepthru!
I love step-throughs for all the reasons you mention. It is very difficult to get non-ebikes that are big enough though for my long legs. Thankfully, it looks as if ebike manufacturers are now making bigger step-throughts - Cube, Gazelle and Trek make some.
My only concern is that the step-over is more easily secured with a D lock to bike racks. Chains are both heavy and easily defeated with hydraulic bolt cutters.
For me, it had nothing to do with it being a girl's bike, and all to do with the rigidness of a top tube. Most top tubes these days are slanted downwards towards the sea and quite easy to swing a leg over anyways. In some cases I want to go a little off-road and having a step through gives me anxiety that the frame will flex. Perhaps it never will, but having a single bar hold all my weight seems like a big task when going over bumps. The top tube give me a little assurance that the frame will never flex.
I totally agree with you. I was upset with myself for not getting a step thru. Till I watched a video that from Recon Bikes that showed a rider mounting and dis-mounting a bike. I would still prefer a step thru though.
I am 61 without physical challenges. I got the step over because it is easier to secure to my Hollywood bike rack. I don’t need the adapter. Be safe out there. ✌🏽
The looks of the step over is what i like and i am 6ft 1 and have no problem getting on or off. I use this as a commuter. The look for sure is the reason for me. Also, I don't know about this bike but it is proven that the top bar is for more structural integrity with combatting flexing when you peddle hard.
My step thru himi looks great with wood vinyl wrapped battery. Although it's probably a hybrid between standard and step through.. because of the limited height on the step thru, but that kind of makes it look a little bit like a motorcycle. Especially with the wood vinyl wrapped battery. I think it's all about what you make it.
I think that the bikes with the upper bar offer more rigidity when riding on rough terrain, but for older folks like myself, a step thru is a no-brainer. BTW i like the name C-C rider for your channel.
I'm short with bad knees. The former made it tougher to find a small enough diamond frame and the latter had me looking for an ebike. So I got a Rize Bolt X. 20" fat tires, a step thru frame and it looks murder in matte black, though I would have been happy to get most colors. I feel safer and in more control with my Bolt X and I would not go with any other bike type.
Yes. I defies common sense. I guess we grew up making fun of guys riding “girls bikes” and it’s stuck even if they are more practical? These rugged cruiser bikes also didn’t look as cool as the “English racer” style even though in retrospect those other bikes were better. We need folks pushing commercially for practical being good?
I didn’t hesitate. When offered a choice, I took the step thru. I’m 62 and I don’t want to be swinging my leg in the air anymore. Imagine if you had to make a ton of stops, you’d have to lay the bike down to get on after awhile.
I noticed your water bottle holder is on the handlebars. I saw another video where the man said theater bottle holder on the step through Adventure model can get in the way when you are stepping through. Do you find this to be the case?
Personally, I've only ever ridden step-over bikes. I don't really have a problem with step-through bikes, but step-over bikes just have never been an issue for me. It may also be due to my age and health, I am a healthy 20 Y/o and many of the people advocating for step-throughs are older and/or have a disability. I think for now, I'll stick with the step-over bikes.
Even as a boy I was jealous of my sisters ‘girls bike. Especially with the style of ‘Painted’ on like pants. USA at the least,has fragile male ego problem. The EBikes are so massive,that I don’t think it’s really that obvious,that it’s a ‘Girls’ bike (USA). Nice quiet ride there Sir.
I agree 💯 precent step thru . I got a gotrax fat tire step over I have to lay it on the side step over it and stand it up😂 .the guy had 2 step thru but they were pink I drew the line at buying a pink bike lol . wife said I should have bought it anyway and painted it🤔. great video
I ride with a Tagalong bike for my 7 year old connected to my seat post. My main concern is, would the step-thru will not be as stiff to haul the extra weight connected to the seat post? Would the Tagalong cause extra frame stress on a step-thru than a normal triangle frame? I have a 28" inseam and would get a step-thru, but the unknown of having a Tagalong and riding through dirt roads or trails, causing extra stress is the only thing holding me back. Any thoughts from the community will be greatly helpful.
shuckers I was 6'7" when I was 17 [awhile ago] a few strokes n a few years later I was 63 when I bought my 1st ebike & yeah I got a step over cuz Im a MAN - I can do it, I did fine, but after a few hours I get still in the wrong places & getting on wasnt as easy. I won a step thru & thought my wife will like this ;) she is 5'6" and says its big. so I tried it. & wow ez on n off, nice ride, so it became my ebike Im 63 & got short - 6'4" now so yeah im old n little, but still a man, Even on the gurls bike :) Ive ridden it several times now & really like it. at first I tend to forget & swing my leg up n over to mount. [yup in my go to mode & forget] later as I tire? uh I remember its an ST & am happy to easily step thru n go. nobody says anything {Im sure Its just a thing in my mind} ok my wife sezs the bike dont look so big when Im on it. the ST feels smaller to me than my step over (its fearless) "thats the model of it the flurry 2.0 is the ST - it even sounds like a girls name. . . so maybe its just my perspective(?) this old boy is the only one with the problem. (I will grow up someday) ;)
I’m 76 years old. I sold my Honda Goldwing and my Segway X-2 and just bought this exact same bike. I test drove one at my local dealer and the step through was so easy to get on and off of I couldn’t care less if someone calls it a girl’s bike. My comfort is more important than comments.
My plans are to paint the fenders the same Electric Red as the frame, I don’t care for the black fenders, and I’m also getting a larger seat. I put a Harley Davidson seat and a wooden barrel on my Segway and kept it when I sold the Segway, so I’m going to try it on the bike just for fun. ua-cam.com/video/0JUhYqis_co/v-deo.html
I like both but I’m definitely leaning towards the red step through. I have mobility issues as well as pain issues and I feel like the step through will be easier on me.
Nice to see someone riding a bike snd not taking it too seriously. The guys wearing full spandex racing kit on local trails just look plain silly Cheers
I like the looks of the step over ,I’ve always rode cruisers and just learned to lean it to the side as I get on.so my Aventure wasn’t much different it get up on
I am about 6'2" and can mount standard frame bicycles easily. But I like to have an ebike that can take my dog to the river or use for shopping. Soon as you put a big basket on the rear rack even tall people benefit from the accessibility of a step thru.
The Level Step-Thru has S/M or M/L frame options. The Level commuter has S-M or L frame options. I still opted for the StepThru. I am a pretty big guy so I was concerned about the frame size of the step-thru being too small.
I haven't been able to find step through bikes with dual suspension. I think it's kind of hard to add suspension in the back if the bike is a step through type.
RadRunner is a step thru that allows you to fit a center console with great stowage capacity. You could unroll your beard and fit a sandwich buffet in there. Leave it open and it will catch all the crumbs.
So true i have a Velotric Nomad 1 Bike High Step 6 weeks ago i was riding and pushed off to get the bike started in motion and lost my balance i fell to the right and hit the ground and fractured my elbow i think because of the high step bar caught my leg on the way down and slammed me into the ground if i had a step through i could have just released the handle bars and let the bike fall. I am going to change to the cyrusher do you recommend anything better that has a low step through? Thanks
I’m 57 and retired both from the military and law enforcement and I have a step-thru and everyone that sees it calls it badass. It’s a fun, comfortable ebike. My wife is short and a cancer patient and she has one too. It’s the reason she got an ebike because they are so big for her but she can ride the step-thru. By the way, they are beginning to sell more and more especially to seniors and those with injuries and disabilities. Glad they are making them.
6'3 step through, I'm 60 years old love them.......
I had this very discussion yesterday with another rider. We’re both over 6’ yet prefer a step-through. As you mentioned on numerous occasions, these bikes are big. And if you put a rear rack on it, it’s even more difficult to swing your let over it. But the main reason for getting a step-through is that pretty much anyone can get on/off and ride it whether it be a spouse, visiting guest or even a neighbor that want’s to test ride the bike.
Yes another very good point I always get to step through because then there's a chance more people could ride it when they visit
I'm 5'1", waiting on my Pace 500 ST to be delivered to my local shop later this month. I barely fit on the medium, so I got the small and will put the seat up a bit. I love that there's an option for a small frame with 650b tires and step through, options you can't get with other brands at this price. A winning combo for someone like me, a shortie who's young but unfortunately has garbage joints from lupus. The only downside to not having a top tube is having less area on the bike to mount stuff. I haven't noticed any flex on the ones I test rode, and I'm a pretty thicc person, though to be fair I'm not doing any intense mountain biking.
I think time and physical necessity will change the aversion to step throughs. As people age and face increasing difficulty mounting and dismounting their bikes, and see others make the switch to step throughs, they'll reconsider their priorities and realize personal comfort & safety are more important than some outdated aesthetic macho ideal based on external affirmation.
I just recently purchased the Ride1up 700-series step-through. I suffer from multiple
Joint problems and the ST was my last hope for outdoor exercise. It's a great bike; now all I need is a comfortable seat!
Having the top bar makes the bike easier to grab and get up a few steps or to put on a bike stand or a bike carrier.
As far as getting on, I lean the biker over and it's no problem with the top tube. It also gives me one more place to carry a few things like bungee cords or small items attached with straps.
I do not think of step throughs as "girl's bikes" but more as uni-sex bikes for everyone.
As a person who is 6'2, I have finally found the usefulness of a step-through.
I actually like the look of having the bar. Just my preference. I will admit to the girl's bike stigma though, lol!
Everyone has their preference!
Alright you got me. Next ebike will most lost likely be this Aventon. But I absolutely will not ever where those tight dress pants I see guys wearing that we would have called floods back in the day.Girls call them capris. But hey, short shorts are coming back In style.
It is to protect the Crown Jewels.
The design has been engineered to minimise damage- if we all went girlie and then hit a sidewalk or forgot what break was what on a girls bike- we would shoot totally impeded to the solid handlebar post up front, rendering us unable to ever have offspring of our air and possibly incompetent. Definitely will need viagra - guess that’s not so bad now since it’s readily available but still, so you can ride a GIRLS bike??
Totally not worth it.
You didn’t hear John Wayne going:
“Ohh naw Il need to swing my leg all the way over that mules back”
Or cries to:
“Cut a portion out of my horse so it’s easier to slip my leg over to the opposite saddle. Yes I hear you, the horse will suffer horrendous pain but it’s the 1800’s, we don’t really care!”
Guys riding girls bikes are that equivalent of a hypothetical John Wayne I just painted for you and it wasn’t pretty was it.
The frames are stronger too.
So, I just bit the bullet and bought a Sondors LX “STEP-THROUGH”. I’m an old (61) moto-x rider and skier with bad knees and back and said, screw it, I’m buying a step through. Yup, we ALWAYS referred to them as “girls-bikes” when we were younger but damn, this step through 90lb ebike tank is bad-ass looking! Oh, I ordered in June and I’m looking at 4 months plus for delivery…
Awesome!! That sondors lx looks look tough! Hope you get it quick!
@@CitizenCycle925 Thanks man- really enjoy your channel and new sub here. Keep up the good work!
@@keeferdog5617 thanks for the sub, appreciated 😊
I thought about the LX, it's a killer looking machine. At the time I saw it it was pre- order and the Rize was available. I hope it's all you are looking for in an ebike and more.
@@thequadrider Thanks TA - I am just taking an educated guess with this purchase. What I liked most is it’s using the Bafang Ultra mid drive motor with 26 x 4.9” tires. It’s a powerful motor that can be hacked for more performance and uses a massive battery. Components are only average (& nothing special) but upgrades make sense with a 2.4 k purchase price including shipping. I understand it’s selling well too.
Hey, I like your videos, I'm 52 with osteoporosis and severe graves disease. I just bought an electric bike last week and I really enjoy it. I bought a step-through bike, I agree, the step through looks way better and way easier to get on and off. I also customized my bike with a basket, bottle holder, mirror, horn/alarm system and blue tooth speaker for music :)
I had the black step over ordered but after your other video I cancelled the order. Now I have the m/l red step through ordered. It’ll only delay my initial order by 4 days. I’m really glad I switched plus I’m getting the color I wanted. I’m 47 and 6’ tall also so stepping over wasn’t really an issue but why torture myself. Would be a little tougher with a bag on the back like you said.
I end up swinging my leg over the step thru often but not always. I tend to use the low step thru more while getting off the bike.
You made a good decision
i like having the bar frame so i can shoulder it up my apartment stairs.
He almost sold me until u said this
Unless it's a really well made frame step overs tend to have less frame flex than what a step through does. My personal perfect bikes are mid step frames
The stepthrough was a marketing ploy of the 1890s to catch the womens market when women wore dresses, my thought about the bar being there for men could also have been popularized so that men could have a bike that they could identify with, being something that a skirt wearer couldn't use. Any guy that has had their boys come into contact with the top bar wondered what moron came up with that design. Nowadays savy marketers promote stepthroughs to both sexes thus increasing market share.
Not true, the step thru made sense for women because 1) women are almost always quite a bit lighter than men, and a step thru chassis is an inherently weaker design with lower weight limits all else equal and 2) women wear shorts and pants too, but lifting your leg up high and putting on a show for everyone is still considered a bit racy because men already think about sex all the time without provocation 3) having a male and female specific frame also was a size difference as frames designed for women were almost always physically smaller. Its just a bit obsolete now because they can make beefy more advanced frames that still carry a lot of weight even with that big empty V shape and women don't really care much if men watch them or even encourage it being much more sexual with public twerking and wearing extremely thin leggings on purpose and bikes often come in multiple sizes.
@@BoopSnoot Yes, yes and yes. Add to it a point made in the video. I often stack things on my rear rack such that you would have to be abnormally flexible to get your leg over. The Aventon would be ideal if they made their display more legible and ditched the thumb throttle.
I am 6ft tall--33 inch ins and I ride a 20 inch ebike.These things are way bigger then normal bikes.My 20 inch is the same size as my several year old 26 inch normal pedal mountainbike--and the handlebars of the 20 inch ebike are sitting about 2 inches higher then the 26 inch normal bike.If you plan on riding in town or near people--get what is easiest for you to use.If you are not talll say 6ft 2 or taller with long legs--get a 20 inch or stepthru--I am so glad I got the 20 inch version of my bike.
72 here and bought the Aventure step thru a month ago and it’s so much easier to get off and on! Highly recommended!
i think that you nailed it when you guessed that many folks that are buying e-bikes are older, from the generation when step through's were marketed as "girl's bikes". I have to say that the time, back when I was a teenager, when my pedal broke, it would have been much less painful if I had been riding a "girl's bike". Unfortunately I wasn't.
So your boy bike nearly turned you into a girl?
@@peterfernandezjr5914 that's pretty much it in a nutshell. (pun intended).
I don't consider them girls bikes at all, unless they are pink with flowers and handlebar streamers 😉
Frame strength, like Edward stated, is the primary advantage of high step frames. For ebikes you also have more options for battery expansion.
Exactly. I no for a fact the step through isnt as sturdy. For heavier built MEN the step over is way to go
I don't think I'm heavy enough to buckle the frame...
@@CitizenCycle925 I'm sure you're not but I'd definitely not suggest a 300lb person to ride one. Especially on rough terrain. I've heard of other step through designed e bikes cracking mid frame on even smaller riders. This is rare and could just be related to bad welding.
Flowers? You sexist you!!! 🤣
Just kidding cheers mate.
One advantage to the stepover bikes is the ability to carry them on a less expensive (ie cheap) bike carrier on you car. With no horizontal bar the step thrus are difficult to secure to the racks.
They make attachable bars to compensate.
@@5DNRG Ive been a dirt bike rider a few years and really Id rather use a motor bike carrier anyway.
Ive used the handle bars & the rear rack as tie points on the rack & in the PU bed.
** I do like the front fork lockout on the ebikes, better than my motorbikes I had to compress to tie down.
strapped in my ebikes the same way as its just a learned behavior. [it works for me]
* I was wondering why ebike racks are so light? And that bar in the middle?
my thought was its easy to cut off as it gets in my way - lol
I see the bike racks are light weight, as my bikes had been light weight [in the past] different bikes then.
Todays Ebikes tend to be heavy,
So my instinct to strap them in as I did motor bikes has served me well.
I use the tie down straps & so far and a few years n miles later my 600 lb rated bike racks are hauling my ebikes fine as they hauled my motorbikes.
the ebikes are easier to load than my motorbikes. I dont use a ramp for the ebikes
got the ramps tho as they were needed on the motorbikes [my lightest was 250 lbs.]
my ebikes are 73 lbs & I strap them in the same way on the ST and the step over.
just like I did on the motor bikes.
yes easier to just do it than describe it - my pappy taught me bout it long ago
I was a good kid & kept quiet & did as I was told. whether it was right or wrong lol
After several incidents (falls from a standing position) I went for a step thru (Ride1up). It’s not perfect as the battery gets in the way of y foot, but it’s a heck of a lot easier to have chives about getting on and off the bike. Love it. Still riding long distances at 73.
I am 6'6" and road a men's bike for most of my life. After taking a few years off and getting over 50, when I went back to my old bike it was very difficult to get on it. I am looking for a new bike and I think it will be a step through
As a child of the 80's, there was always the stereotype that step thru bikes were for girls. I actually got teased as a child for riding my sister's bike on occasion. Personally, I didn't care as long as I was having fun out riding... and I was. As I got older, that stereotype eventually went on the wayside. As for the Aventure, I'm torn between the step over (large) and step thru (M/L) versions. In comparison, both versions have the same reach length from saddle to handlebars, wheelbase length and the same head tube length. The step over allows for more standover height and saddle height. Being that I'm 300 lbs and 5' 9" in height, I can fit both bikes comfortably and I love that they can both carry up to 400 lbs. If I were to get the step over version, I would get the large frame bike in camo green. If I were to go for the step thru, I would definitely get the step thru in electric red. I've done my research into this particular bike, but for some reason, I just can't decide which version to go with. I'm just hoping that when I decide to pull the trigger, the Aventon will feel like a large bike to me.
I'm glad you have fun with the step throughs and I think its fine for people to that like that style. However step thru frames just aren't a frame style that I like. It may be due to what bike I thought were cool when I was young and that has carried over to what I like in looks now. For me I just like the more classic step over look more. Its like looking at a 2 door jeep vs a 4 door jeep you just have a preferences for one look over the other. As far as age well I'm over 50 and am 5'10 so the step over isn't to big for me.
I would've bought the normal bike if they sold it in red ngl. No regrets though, the step through is easier to get onto, especially with a rear basket
I just ordered the red step-thru and my husband ordered the black cross-bar version. The bike store said they are both unisex. Some guys are gonna view the crossbar version as more masculine. I think they both look kinda masculine with those beefy tires and the size of the bike. Can't wait for them to arrive. TFS
Yes, agree, the tires make them look tough!
Your point about having to really hike up to get over a rear rack with a bag on it has confirmed my decision to get the step through Sinch. Also, the conflict with the latch on the step over version is a valid point as well. My wife just had hip surgery so the step through is the way to go for her once her rehab is done. We’ll be taking delivery in another day so we’ll find out soon enough how we like the ebike experience. Just for me at first anyways…
I wholeheartedly agree that the step-thru makes all the sense in the world, particularly if you are a 76 year-old dude like me. I bought a Trek Townie Go 5i back in October and I’ve put 1,500 miles on it since then. I’ve fallen a few times, but main reason I have fallen is trying to get on the darn thing. I’ve finally learned to lay the bike nearly on its side while holding on to the inner portion of the bars and then step over it, pulling the bike up under me as my right leg hits the ground. That kind of solved it. I just ordered a Himiway Zebra, and, guess what-I ordered the “girls’” version. Actually, I think we have to educate the biking world and the enthusiasts that “girls’” bike is kind of a misnomer these days. So, again, I enjoyed what you had to say about this.
You'll have to let me know how you like the zebra from Himiway. I'm starting to prefer the step through bikes more and more everyday so much easier.
A part of me just relates to standard frame because I grew up on them and girls always ride step through’s. Part of the appeal for someone buying a bike is the looks.I just wish I could get over the whole step through girls bike thing because it would actual suit me better than a step over frame.mobility being an issue for me.
Yes! You are who I made this video for!!!
Top bar makes it easier to securely lock it down and easier to carry when needed. Very much necessary for a 70+ lb bike.
I can see the value of the step over because you can mount more things to that bar. I have the Aventure Step Thru and love it.
You're absolutely correct! I didn't buy the step through because it looked like a girl's bike! Lol. I wish I watched this video three months ago! Great video!
you're not a free thinker bud, sorry to tell you that lol
5'10 Still lift my leg over. Feels right for me. I suppose logically when it to difficult for me to do so, maybe a step-through. I did like that Ariel Rider X-Class you introduced. that could be an option down the road. I'm 62 and (the big guy willing) will ride till I can't. For those who feel a step-through is a girl's bike, it's not. If I'm thinking adult-wise, this is another tool in my quest to ride till the end. Happy tails everyone.
Yes, they would be easier to get on, but without that missing triangle (top bar) I would be concerned about the pivoting stresses on the head tube and bottom bracket
I rode "womens" bikes for almost 18-20 years. My first nice big bike was a "womens" 10 speed. I even had a pink diamondback bmx bike during high school. Never really had anyone poking fun about it. I was asked a lot why. But hey, the bike was handed down to me by my best friends sister. And I loved that bike till it got stolen.
I just bought 2 M/L step through adventure bikes. I almost fell into the boy bike girl bike trap. I felt like I should not be buying the same bike as my wife. But I’m so glad I got the step through, especially because we carry child seats on our rear racks.
I love my step thru rad runner in white . Being 5.8 I am not a tall man and rad's step thru geometry works perfectly for me , the handle bars don't feel like I am reaching for them , plus since I love sitting upright , I sometimes love riding it for hours. Only thing I wish is for my bike to be a bit more powerful , the power comes gradually.
When I had my old human powered bike, as I got older I had to get on a curb in order to mount the bike (bad hips) So when I decided to get an e bike, I made the choice of getting a step thru and I am glad I did, cause i added a basket to the rear rack which would have made it impossible to mount it otherwise.
Exactly! Good choice!!
You do the best reviews of ebikes on you tube - THANKS MAN !!!
Appreciated!
Step thru bikes are very common for everybody (not just females) in most parts of Europe (especially Netherlands..
In the past 100 years or longer everyone including the Manufacture has claimed step-through bikes as Girls bikes, there for 99% of men will not purchase a Step-Through Bike due to being afraid of someone making fun of their manhood. Me and a lot of people these days are starting to see it slowly but surely the other way around. Now days I would buy a Step through for me and my wife, I am so short legged I can barely straddle a crack in the sidewalk, so a step through would be in my favor for sure.
It was a two part decision for me to get a step thru E-bike. I had owned a normal(?) - non-Ebike, for several years, and when I turned 70 I was having to lean the bike over to about 30 degrees to get my foot over the bar of my Men's bike. I tolerated it as something I'd have to live with if I wanted to keep riding. Then I had heart issues, wound up with a pacemaker, and started getting tired out after a few miles and started riding less and less. We moved to an area with numerous bike trails, and I wanted to ride but was afraid to venture more than three miles one direction. E-bikes were getting more popular, and I finally decided it was time to take the leap to a cheater bike. After months of shopping, and reading and doing more shopping, and more reading, I decided to purchase a not to expensive bike, and also decided that a girls bike is called a Step-thru bike because the manufacturers are marketing it to both sexes, and I should be a man, and get over the belief that step-thru means "Girls" bike. I bought my step-thru E-bike, and have not regretted it for a minute.
Yeah, 65 YO, mobility issues, purchased the step-thru. Purchased the Aventon Adventure. Had it drop shipped to my local bike shop for assembly. Will transport it on an Ebike carrier via a receiver hitch that UHAUL is putting on my car. Can't wait to start riding. Purchased it primarily to lug camera gear thru miles and miles of bike trails in the National/State parks. If people want to be shallow and criticize me for riding a girls bike, so be it. For me, I have to take care of my back. If I were riding the bike hard on mountain trails I would have most likely chosen a step over model for better frame stability and I definitely would have chosen a rear suspension model, like maybe one of the Beecool versions. But for me, I will be casually strolling thru the parks and maybe on the beach a little as well.
I definitely like the look of the step thru on the venture
I’ve ordered a camouflage green, step-over Aventure. At the time of purchase, earlier this month, they estimates it would take 24 days before it would ship and an additional 3 to 5 business days before it would arrive here in Florida. They’re a hot commodity right now.
Went with the step-over model because I can’t help but think the frame has a little more rigidity with the crossbar. I weigh over 200 lbs and expect to do a little bit of off-roading when the road conditions warrant it.
Honestly, I also like the looks of the step-over model a little better too, but will have to say the red color on the step-through version looks absolutely beautiful and I did consider buying it also.
Good choice, gotta go with what matches your needs.
Honestly, my main reason for getting the crossbar was fear of frame stability, what with me being a big chonk. Otherwise I would've gone with that lovely red step-thru. Shame they don't have that red on the crossbar variant. Ended up ordering a tan bike 'cause the green or black would've taken till the end of august to ship.
Nice, I bet the tan will look nice, actually I think it's "Socal Sand" 😁 haha hope you enjoy it, I think it is a nice bike
Same reason I got the step over. I have health issues on top and still went with step over. I just feel a little safer on this style bike. It's really not that difficult to step over. Just lean bike in towards myself putting upper bar lower to ground and no problem. I have went over once before at a stop when I first got my bike but I've since learned what not to do to keep the bike from over powering me to the ground because it certainly can when ones not as healthy as they once was or strong like they once was.
I'm 6'3" and usually swing a leg over the rear tire and up onto the seat of an XL bike 22.5" seat post. The top tube is way too high to go over it in front of the seat. Two weeks ago I rode, for the first time, an ebike that was and older model with the battery pack on a rear rack sitting over the tire. A sharp battery corner caught the backside of my knee, leaving a nice wound. Had I stepped thru the frame in front of the seat, there wouldn't be a healing knee. Also am looking for a rear rack so the days of swinging over might come to and end. I agree that the step thru ebikes look cleaner, so maybe a step thru is the next bike.
As a college student, the top tube was necessary for me to carry my bike up 3 floors to keep in my room so it doesn’t get stolen. Easier to rest the tube on my shoulder. Now that I have a garage, step thru all day and twice on Sunday.
You were carrying a 73lb ebike up 3 floors?
@@CitizenCycle925 lol. No. I was talking about all bikes in general. It’s hard to carry any bike up 3 floors without a top tube.
It's not a girl's bike it's just a place to put a big ass battery lolLove the video
I'm about to pull the trigger on a Troxus. The step over version is sold out in black so I was debating between getting the blue step over and the black step through. My main hesitation is worrying about the long term durability of the step through. They've got that little bit of extra metal welded at the bottom for structural support, but I would imagine that not having a cross bar at the top would greatly diminish the structural integrity of the bicycle. Triangles are strong.
I'm probably gonna just go with the step through, I don't really like the blue color and it's got a 2 year warranty. By then hopefully I'll be done with college and able to afford a new bike anyway
The first bicycle I bought with my own money is step-through. This frame design has already saved me from some possibly nasty falls because I was able to simply step off before I would fall. I don't think I will get back to triangle-frame bicycles anytime soon. Step-through frames are just more comfortable.
I think it's human nature to always do what the pros do. The pros will usually use the bigger bikes with 27 or 29ers with the diamond frames. But those bikes are not very comfortable for casual riders. But still the image of those bikes will stay in people's heads. That's why I think men especially tend to first buy a diamond frame bike. Regardless of the reason, the step through makes way more sense for the typical casual rider. Most people I've observed tend to buy their bike too big. You can see them struggling when they stop.
I’m 6’3 and I do like step thrus for the accessibility. But I like my step over juiced ripcurrent s because I actually don’t feel too big on it. It’s just right. I also think the top tube adds more stability.
I'm 68... and I do have mobility problem. I like your review! But I have not bought an e-bike yet. I think I would like to see a e-trike review .... that would as well. Thanks
I choose a step thru too for the same reasons and I like the looks of the Aventon too.
Three reasons: 1 sometimes I like to take a more relaxed sitting position on the bar instead of the standard lean over position on the seat when coasting, 2 it helps prevent my knees from knocking into each other, 3 I can hold more things on the bar
You *sit* on the bar! :O I can only imagine the pain I would be in if I did that, but good for you if you can tolerate that.
I also prefer an upright position though, so I have a bike where that is the standard position (Dutch bike), but I totally see that that is less versatile of course, since I'm then stuck with that position and can't shift to the more forward leaning position.
But still... man, I can't get over the idea of how much I would hurt if I tried to sit on the bar - maybe the ones I've seen with the crossbar just had thinner bars than yours does. I kind of hope so.
As for knees; Have you tried a step through? Unless your knees knock into the crossbar too and that's what keeps them from hitting each other, (which I then imagine doesn't help much since they still hit something fairly solid,) then they also shouldn't hit against each other without the crossbar.
5’7 with bad everything below the eyes haha, got them Corps miles on my body. The step Thur V2 of this model is the one for me! Great video thank you for your review/opinion.
I built my own Ebike with a Giant Talon. Did not think to try to find a step through mountain/trail bike. And I never owned a step through so it never crossed my mind. But it is true that with back rack I have to really struggle to get that leg over.
once you get past the need to look cool, you start having a lot more fun.
Whats not cool about a bike that doesint need upper bar support
@@mkyn-tl5oc When I was a kid they were known as girls bikes, there's a good chance you would have ended up in a fight or beat up if you road a "girls" bike. lol
@@jskyg68 they also dident have motors powerful enough to hit 32 km :p
W. That's my life motto!
Guys in Europe have no problems with step through’s. To them it’s just a bike that’s easier to get on. But in the good old U.S of A it’s all about bigger is better. lifted trucks, modified muscle cars,Tattoos,and beer guts and standard step over frames.
Don't forget about being rude loudmouths.
Yeah... The high bar is literally the *only* thing I don't like about my Himiway Cruiser. I get what you're saying about that rear rack too. Even at 6,4, I still barely clear that. I've only left it on the bike because I can hang Paniers off it.
I even did seriously consider the Step-Thru, but it was a two month longer delivery time. Oh well. My next one will absolutely be a step-thru.
Also, about the mirrors... I like bar-end mirrors too. They're certainly better than anything that mount inside the grips. But did you ever consider a digital mirror? Mine's pretty boss, cost about $65, and took about five minutes to put in. I don't know if you ever want to do a review on those ( www.amazon.com/Feisike-Handlebar-Function-Adjustable-Rotatable/dp/B08HMRSG58/ref=pd_yo_rr_rp_4/137-2235570-4854263?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=B08HMRSG58&pd_rd_r=a5efa7f1-e369-44ce-93b7-9c6d58725802&pd_rd_w=eEVie&pd_rd_wg=2lZ9d&pf_rd_p=a3758ba2-6f64-43a7-b9f2-32c7970a3e6a&pf_rd_r=TQHEFEQCZK0QVGPHCR95&psc=1&refRID=TQHEFEQCZK0QVGPHCR95 ), but my experience is that this thing is better than any mirror I've tried yet. It would be interesting to see your take on this.
Very interesting, I didn't realize these even existed. I think this would be more useful on my motorcycles than my e-bikes...
Hey Adam! Thanks! Im gonna go that way I think!…Don't hafta worry bout hittin mirrors on tree branches on tight single track trails! Makes sense to me…..
I am a 73 year old male and I have a Lectric ST. Just makes more sense. Great Video.
I did my research and the superior bar helps to protect the frame and it's easier to lean your weight sideways since that bar hold one of your legs.
That crossbar can be very painful on men. And to be honest, women are more flexible legwise. So nowadays, the whole crossbar thing is backwards. Frames are plenty strong enough. If hard-core moutain biking, the crossbar can help muscle about, but otherwise...stepthru!
I love step-throughs for all the reasons you mention. It is very difficult to get non-ebikes that are big enough though for my long legs. Thankfully, it looks as if ebike manufacturers are now making bigger step-throughts - Cube, Gazelle and Trek make some.
My only concern is that the step-over is more easily secured with a D lock to bike racks. Chains are both heavy and easily defeated with hydraulic bolt cutters.
For me, it had nothing to do with it being a girl's bike, and all to do with the rigidness of a top tube. Most top tubes these days are slanted downwards towards the sea and quite easy to swing a leg over anyways. In some cases I want to go a little off-road and having a step through gives me anxiety that the frame will flex. Perhaps it never will, but having a single bar hold all my weight seems like a big task when going over bumps. The top tube give me a little assurance that the frame will never flex.
I totally agree with you. I was upset with myself for not getting a step thru. Till I watched a video that from Recon Bikes that showed a rider mounting and dis-mounting a bike.
I would still prefer a step thru though.
I am 61 without physical challenges. I got the step over because it is easier to secure to my Hollywood bike rack. I don’t need the adapter. Be safe out there. ✌🏽
The looks of the step over is what i like and i am 6ft 1 and have no problem getting on or off. I use this as a commuter. The look for sure is the reason for me. Also, I don't know about this bike but it is proven that the top bar is for more structural integrity with combatting flexing when you peddle hard.
My step thru himi looks great with wood vinyl wrapped battery. Although it's probably a hybrid between standard and step through.. because of the limited height on the step thru, but that kind of makes it look a little bit like a motorcycle. Especially with the wood vinyl wrapped battery. I think it's all about what you make it.
Can you share a picture of what you did for the battery on your Himiway?
Please please share a picture
Good points you have swayed me, will order a step through...cheers!
I think that the bikes with the upper bar offer more rigidity when riding on rough terrain, but for older folks like myself, a step thru is a no-brainer. BTW i like the name C-C rider for your channel.
Agree. The red step thru Aventure is a beaut!!!
This has been a real struggle to me while picking e-bikes between step-thru or step-over. Are step-thru bikes weaker in tougher terrains?
Yes
I'm short with bad knees. The former made it tougher to find a small enough diamond frame and the latter had me looking for an ebike. So I got a Rize Bolt X. 20" fat tires, a step thru frame and it looks murder in matte black, though I would have been happy to get most colors. I feel safer and in more control with my Bolt X and I would not go with any other bike type.
I like the rize bikes, hoping to get on one someday
Looking forward to more of your reviews, Rize or otherwise.
@@thequadrider I have 4 more reviews on my schedule, and a bunch more in my inbox, really hard to keep up!
No rush, no pressure. Just know you have an avid group looking forward to your reviews and other content.
i've always thought it was ironic that boys are much more more "vulnerable" to pain from the bar frame 😀
My thoughts exactly.
Yes. I defies common sense. I guess we grew up making fun of guys riding “girls bikes” and it’s stuck even if they are more practical? These rugged cruiser bikes also didn’t look as cool as the “English racer” style even though in retrospect those other bikes were better. We need folks pushing commercially for practical being good?
I totally agree in the process of possibly buying new evike step through only thing I would consider
I didn’t hesitate. When offered a choice, I took the step thru. I’m 62 and I don’t want to be swinging my leg in the air anymore. Imagine if you had to make a ton of stops, you’d have to lay the bike down to get on after awhile.
I noticed your water bottle holder is on the handlebars. I saw another video where the man said theater bottle holder on the step through Adventure model can get in the way when you are stepping through. Do you find this to be the case?
Personally, I've only ever ridden step-over bikes. I don't really have a problem with step-through bikes, but step-over bikes just have never been an issue for me. It may also be due to my age and health, I am a healthy 20 Y/o and many of the people advocating for step-throughs are older and/or have a disability. I think for now, I'll stick with the step-over bikes.
Even as a boy I was jealous of my sisters ‘girls bike. Especially with the style of ‘Painted’ on like pants. USA at the least,has fragile male ego problem. The EBikes are so massive,that I don’t think it’s really that obvious,that it’s a ‘Girls’ bike (USA). Nice quiet ride there Sir.
I agree 💯 precent step thru . I got a gotrax fat tire step over I have to lay it on the side step over it and stand it up😂 .the guy had 2 step thru but they were pink I drew the line at buying a pink bike lol . wife said I should have bought it anyway and painted it🤔. great video
I buy a non step threw for 2 reasons. 1 a standard bike is generally slightly more Ridgid. And 2 because high step is what I'm used to.
I ride with a Tagalong bike for my 7 year old connected to my seat post. My main concern is, would the step-thru will not be as stiff to haul the extra weight connected to the seat post? Would the Tagalong cause extra frame stress on a step-thru than a normal triangle frame? I have a 28" inseam and would get a step-thru, but the unknown of having a Tagalong and riding through dirt roads or trails, causing extra stress is the only thing holding me back. Any thoughts from the community will be greatly helpful.
shuckers I was 6'7" when I was 17 [awhile ago]
a few strokes n a few years later I was 63 when I bought my 1st ebike & yeah I got a step over cuz Im a MAN - I can do it, I did fine, but after a few hours I get still in the wrong places & getting on wasnt as easy.
I won a step thru & thought my wife will like this ;)
she is 5'6" and says its big. so I tried it. & wow ez on n off, nice ride, so it became my ebike
Im 63 & got short - 6'4" now so yeah im old n little, but still a man, Even on the gurls bike :)
Ive ridden it several times now & really like it.
at first I tend to forget & swing my leg up n over to mount. [yup in my go to mode & forget]
later as I tire? uh I remember its an ST & am happy to easily step thru n go.
nobody says anything {Im sure Its just a thing in my mind}
ok my wife sezs the bike dont look so big when Im on it.
the ST feels smaller to me than my step over (its fearless) "thats the model of it
the flurry 2.0 is the ST - it even sounds like a girls name. . .
so maybe its just my perspective(?)
this old boy is the only one with the problem. (I will grow up someday) ;)
I built 2 ebikes with stopover bikes we already had so it was a no brainerd, plus need the cross bar for our bike rack system.
I’m 76 years old. I sold my Honda Goldwing and my Segway X-2 and just bought this exact same bike. I test drove one at my local dealer and the step through was so easy to get on and off of I couldn’t care less if someone calls it a girl’s bike. My comfort is more important than comments.
My plans are to paint the fenders the same Electric Red as the frame, I don’t care for the black fenders, and I’m also getting a larger seat. I put a Harley Davidson seat and a wooden barrel on my Segway and kept it when I sold the Segway, so I’m going to try it on the bike just for fun.
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I like both but I’m definitely leaning towards the red step through. I have mobility issues as well as pain issues and I feel like the step through will be easier on me.
Nice to see someone riding a bike snd not taking it too seriously. The guys wearing full spandex racing kit on local trails just look plain silly
Cheers
It looks like the step through would have better balance because of a lower center of gravity. Will try one next time.
I like the looks of the step over ,I’ve always rode cruisers and just learned to lean it to the side as I get on.so my Aventure wasn’t much different it get up on
I am about 6'2" and can mount standard frame bicycles easily. But I like to have an ebike that can take my dog to the river or use for shopping. Soon as you put a big basket on the rear rack even tall people benefit from the accessibility of a step thru.
The Level Step-Thru has S/M or M/L frame options. The Level commuter has S-M or L frame options. I still opted for the StepThru. I am a pretty big guy so I was concerned about the frame size of the step-thru being too small.
I haven't been able to find step through bikes with dual suspension. I think it's kind of hard to add suspension in the back if the bike is a step through type.
I bought the step over a week ago and regretted it from day 1. I
m well into my 60's and have a difficult time getting on and off. I look for a curb.
After owning two leg over Rad bikes and accidentally catching my shoes on my rear bag I ordered an Aventon step through.
RadRunner is a step thru that allows you to fit a center console with great stowage capacity. You could unroll your beard and fit a sandwich buffet in there. Leave it open and it will catch all the crumbs.
Haha this actually made me laugh out loud 😂
Agree step through is easier, the colors are the only drawback but that’s changing.
I would say frame strength, but for most people that are not jumping the bikes then the step through would be better.
So true i have a Velotric Nomad 1 Bike High Step 6 weeks ago i was riding and pushed off to get the bike started in motion and lost my balance i fell to the right and hit the ground and fractured my elbow i think because of the high step bar caught my leg on the way down and slammed me into the ground if i had a step through i could have just released the handle bars and let the bike fall. I am going to change to the cyrusher do you recommend anything better that has a low step through? Thanks