White Squatter Camp - Estoire, Bloemfontein (2018)

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  • Through our recent travels we had the opportunity to interview and film a few willing inhabitants of a white squatter camp in a rural suburb known as Estoire, located in Bloemfontein, in the Free State Province.
    With the help of Solidarity Helping Hand, and Hester Bekker's Guardian Angels, these Afrikaners living in poverty were provided assistance in the form of food, clothing, vital amenities.
    Due to circumstances, the inhabitants of the squatter camp were forced to find move, and, due to the above-mentioned organisations, were able to find new accommodation.
    The issue of poverty in South Africa is an ever-increasing one. White poverty is not reported in the media, and even more so the white squatter camps that are spread across the country. There are various reasons for displacement of whites in South Africa, and in order to counter this we need to stand together and help our own kind first. There should be no guilt in that.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 468

  • @GregVerster
    @GregVerster 2 місяці тому +6

    Thanks to the ANC who brought this upon all the people black and white

  • @michaellawson6533
    @michaellawson6533 5 років тому +21

    May God bless all who put out a helping hand to these lost and deprived souls .

  • @Karbouchard
    @Karbouchard 5 років тому +42

    I have compassion for people struggling, i do not however accept a poor mentality.
    You can be poor but still have a work ethic. It starts with self respect. Clean your own environment.

    • @JusticeLogic819
      @JusticeLogic819 2 роки тому +6

      Exactly what i thought,that young man stand there,wake up pick trash up,form a council.

    • @AdventureGrampa
      @AdventureGrampa 7 місяців тому +3

      Just because you have no money doesn't mean you have to live in squalor. The fact that you are unemployed means that you have even MORE time to pick up trash and pile it somewhere for collection. It's difficult to want to help people who could not even be bothered to help themselves insofar as they are able to.

    • @lebogangradebe4323
      @lebogangradebe4323 3 місяці тому +2

      I agree

  • @kellyalexander7347
    @kellyalexander7347 Рік тому +41

    Being poor doesnt mean you need to be filthy , you can be poor and be clean
    The poorst of the poor always have the most children black and white its so unacceptable to have kids to make them suffer what selfish people 💔 😔 😢 nothing worse than to put kids through this

    • @souldelite8645
      @souldelite8645 9 місяців тому

      sex is a poor man's paradise they say.

    • @AdventureGrampa
      @AdventureGrampa 7 місяців тому

      The South African government pays grants (cash) to parents for each child they have, thereby making the situation even worse.

    • @stephenkariuki-yo8nz
      @stephenkariuki-yo8nz 4 місяці тому +2

      Poverty affects psychology

    • @thyszondagh6541
      @thyszondagh6541 2 місяці тому

      Grawe n gat en gooi gemors daarin.

    • @brendarudman8806
      @brendarudman8806 17 днів тому +1

      Agree
      Where the poor are,you see lots of children

  • @alanheath2020
    @alanheath2020 5 місяців тому +10

    May God be with you all.

  • @tommaroes8828
    @tommaroes8828 5 років тому +11

    This is heart breaking pure legacy of apartheid because now you have both black squatter camps and white squatter camps

    • @AdventureGrampa
      @AdventureGrampa 7 місяців тому +2

      Squatter camps have nothing whatsoever to do with apartheid which was a policy whereby people of the same language and cultural groups were given their own land, infrastructure and administration to allow them to become independent states. I am not apologising for apartheid, just setting the record straight.

    • @user-ox7vb6sy1d
      @user-ox7vb6sy1d 4 місяці тому +2

      I would rather blame government corruption and mismanagement of the country by the ruling party .

    • @louisvanniekerk2612
      @louisvanniekerk2612 4 місяці тому

      Stop blaming segregation take responsibility for your own actions to live with an attitude of blame will only allow you to live in a state of stagnation. You are the only one to be bamed if you degenerate

    • @isgakederies4193
      @isgakederies4193 2 місяці тому

      💯%🙏 Love & Respect to this community. Back in 1994 or before there was only two squatter settlements here in the Western Cape, to date there is over 230 settlements, its political game that was played on the ruling party of the Western Cape. This cause a influx of people from other provinces, causing high % to escalate, housing/employment, and all sorts things related. God bless the people providing for these people 💯%🙏 Love & Respect to you

  • @johanvandersandt8904
    @johanvandersandt8904 6 років тому +52

    Hierdie breuk mens se hart. Ek dink altyd dat ek het nie baie het nie maar die wys mens dat die Here is eintlik baie goed vir ons.

    • @johanvandersandt8904
      @johanvandersandt8904 6 років тому +5

      VIIC Commander Sjoe vriend... Ek sal in my lewe nooit so iets eers dink nie wat nog van tik op UA-cam. Mag God jou genadig wees van jou onkunde en dwase uitlatings.

    • @rayhchc6451
      @rayhchc6451 6 років тому +1

      @@johanvandersandt8904 [•] Ek voel selfde... maar wil laat weet VIIC het in 'n ander thread om verskoning gevra. Dankie dat daar nog mense is wat opkom vir Vader!

    • @johanvandersandt8904
      @johanvandersandt8904 6 років тому +3

      @VIIC Commander Vriend daar is nie fout nie. Ek self het dit nie aldag breed nie maar ek is baie geseën in vergelyking met die arme mense. Mag die Here jou grondgebied vergroot en so seën dat jy geen twyfel sal he dat hy jou ook liefhet. Dinge gaan swaar met ons mense maar ons is n taai volk en sal dit ook oorleef!

    • @rayhchc6451
      @rayhchc6451 6 років тому

      VIIC >> Geen probleem! Eks seker almal aanvaar en waardeer jou verskoning!

    • @macclift9956
      @macclift9956 6 років тому +1

      China in "colonising" smaller African countries by lending them *massive amounts* of money they can never repay! South Africa recently borrowed 33 Billion rand from China specifically for ungrading Escom! China claimed Zesco, Zambia's electricity grid because *they* couldn't repay their debt to Chinal! It is possible that China will *own* Escom in 5-10 years time when SA can't repay its debt! Watch *Loving Life channel on UA-cam* for more of this information, and this is an article on China's last move: claiming the Zambian international airport: www.kaieteurnewsonline.com/2018/09/14/china-to-take-over-zambian-intl-airport-for-default-on-debt-repayment-chinese-already-own-

  • @gwilymhowes6422
    @gwilymhowes6422 5 років тому +106

    Fact: That place is filthy. Fact: Almost all those people are jobless. Therefore the one thing they have is TIME. So why don’t they clean up their OWN environment. Maybe that lack of pride and interest is part of WHY they are so poor? I would like to feel sorry for them, but it’s hard when you see people making so little effort of their own. We are each the master of our own destiny.

    • @karenpeach4528
      @karenpeach4528 5 років тому +11

      first steps toward healing a broken mindset would be for them to start cleaning up. my experience with the desolate, they lose interest in everything, living in squalor justs breeds more squalor, till they in a rutt so deep they either dont notice or are beyond caring. sad actually.

    • @karimkiseka6032
      @karimkiseka6032 5 років тому +2

      Wow! there was no better way to say that

    • @jacquesdewet2661
      @jacquesdewet2661 5 років тому +1

      Exactly. Well said

    • @fedixafrika5874
      @fedixafrika5874 5 років тому +1

      Good question!

    • @Ruandpl
      @Ruandpl 5 років тому +1

      Well said!

  • @shnboardman1
    @shnboardman1 7 місяців тому +10

    As someone that lived in johannesburg for 34 years, i truly feel for these people, nobody deserves this.

    • @shepavedtheway
      @shepavedtheway 4 місяці тому +1

      Also the Blacks who suffered all their lives don’t forget right? You with me? These people don’t need to be like this believe me.

    • @w0tnessZA
      @w0tnessZA Місяць тому

      @@shepavedtheway What are you even talking about? Why do you have the need to beat people down who have already hit rock bottom? Why the hostility? Yes, black people suffered. White people suffer too. Please stop being so entitled.

  • @bridgettes4345
    @bridgettes4345 5 років тому +16

    I need a nanny and gardener in sandton. I’m black . Will they take a job cleaning my house , taking care of my kids , drive my kids to school not forgetting my garden . Will they work for a black person?

    • @megaman42951
      @megaman42951 5 років тому +1

      Don't ever trust those devils around your family! They have a perpetual hatred for Black People.

    • @djjordan1019
      @djjordan1019 3 роки тому

      Some might go ask.

    • @kellyalexander7347
      @kellyalexander7347 Рік тому

      Absolutely not sweetheart they to damn lazy to do jack
      Only good at breeding only thing they know to do well then sit and complain
      Not even orangi will take their own people in ask yourself WHY

    • @stevenvaloyi2439
      @stevenvaloyi2439 7 місяців тому

      Dey can't cs ur blacks,dey must clean their place,cleaned ders nothing to do with poorest

    • @tinusfourie
      @tinusfourie 5 місяців тому +1

      I think so they will do it. Just do a security check on the person

  • @MessM3
    @MessM3 5 років тому +10

    Ek Bly in Bloemfontein , en ek het nie geweet dat daar n plek soos die een is nie...
    Mense moet mekaar help ... ASB.😭😭

  • @nazzynaz1905
    @nazzynaz1905 5 років тому +17

    I suppose it's easy to pass judgment looking in from the outside I dont think anyone would be happy living in this conditions black or white

    • @user-ox7vb6sy1d
      @user-ox7vb6sy1d 4 місяці тому

      Go look in Nigeria and some other African countries, the poverty and dire circumstances gets much more intense. Governments do nothing except for looting the country

  • @betssteyn-vd9sq
    @betssteyn-vd9sq 5 місяців тому +7

    GOD huil as hy al hierdie dinge sien GOD is kwaad vir ons ons moet ons gesigte terug draai na GOD toe en dit sal alles beter word ken jou GOD ❤

    • @user-km4rm5hx2x
      @user-km4rm5hx2x 4 місяці тому

      Die Regeering moet inspring en help. Hierdie mense is in nood. As BLACK LIVES MATTER 😡💔💔 DAN WHITE LIVES OOK

  • @alvarocordovabetanourt2270
    @alvarocordovabetanourt2270 3 роки тому +2

    swaart om te sien. Dit is ons mense

  • @jn7752
    @jn7752 5 років тому +10

    Its soo sad to see this

  • @rayhchc6451
    @rayhchc6451 6 років тому +7

    Baie van hierdie kampe... te veel! As elke Afrikaner meer doen, kan wit armoede oorkom word. Ek glo daars baie wat wil help, maar hulle weet nie wie om te vertrou met donasies nie. Solidariteit kon my nog nooit oorreed hulle kan vertrou word nie.

    • @OranjeVrystaat
      @OranjeVrystaat 6 років тому +2

      Ray HCHC, ek is werklik jammer dat jy so oor Solidariteit voel. Ek is die persoon wat in die video praat en kan bevestig dat Hester Bekker het vandag die laaste gesinne van die kamp af geskuif.

    • @rayhchc6451
      @rayhchc6451 6 років тому +1

      Kobus Venter [•] Jou leiertjies wat so aandring dat hulle omgee, laat hulle soos Jesus tussen hierdie armes gaan woon vir 'n maand met sy volgende verlof, insluitende jy, dan mag ek julle dalk meer ernstig opneem. Ons is dienaars solank as daar voorwaardes is.
      Ek is 'n voormalige lid en was bitter min beindruk. Was net 'n mors van geld.

    • @laragravenor5750
      @laragravenor5750 5 років тому

      Google "The South African Family Relief Project". They are legit.

    • @nicokaale7303
      @nicokaale7303 5 років тому +1

      Wit armoede se jy and nie al armoede.

    • @Isochest
      @Isochest Рік тому

      @@OranjeVrystaat Waarheen sal hulles gaan?

  • @EarlMaphike-st5pl
    @EarlMaphike-st5pl 5 місяців тому +3

    Dear Lord, please come through, for all this people. That are barrelling, may all find a better place. ln Jesus name amen.

  • @thekgi1349
    @thekgi1349 5 років тому +16

    Hulle moet hulp kry om aansoek te doen vir R.D.P huise.
    Bring jou kinders gratis skool toe, hulle voed skema daar en ook jy kan jou kinders na die universiteit neem met NFSAS en hulle betaal terug sodra hulle werk.
    Ook vir diegene wat hul vaardighede wil opgradeer, kan jy aansoek doen vir NFSAS en na die F.E.T-kollege gaan om gratis te studeer. Jy kan dus met 'n graad 10 na die kollege gaan. In die lewe moet jy preserver of anders sal jy ly. Also don't let your kids drop our of school.

    • @PepperSquad
      @PepperSquad 5 років тому +2

      Couldn't agree more sir

    • @vryheidvirdieboervolk973
      @vryheidvirdieboervolk973 5 років тому +2

      You are forgetting that this is south afrika and it is white people you are talking about. This government will rather take wat this poor people have left than give them anything.

    • @thekgi1349
      @thekgi1349 5 років тому +5

      @@vryheidvirdieboervolk973 I have a white friend who was studying for free at T.U.T. and I know a few others. The thing with NFSAS you have to prove your poverty and that is humiliating. I studied in China on a government scholarship and there were black,coloured and white students - they made sure they was balance and it represented the demographics of the country.I don't see the discrimination you referring to but I cannot speak for white people.
      If you see it then you should report it - we have a free and fair judiciary in South Africa.

    • @vryheidvirdieboervolk973
      @vryheidvirdieboervolk973 5 років тому

      @@thekgi1349 lol

    • @anchendorfling5468
      @anchendorfling5468 5 років тому +1

      Thank you for trying to help. God bless

  • @hermannmickymaus277
    @hermannmickymaus277 4 роки тому +2

    My God is hartseer om te sien, waar is die "wêreldgemeenskap 🇦🇶UNO🇺🇳 en die ander vuilklubs ... Suid-Afrika het so 'n mooi land vernietig !! Blankes moet solidariteit met hul landgenote toon 👊 'n groet uit Duitsland ...

  • @Speed-shooter
    @Speed-shooter 5 років тому +17

    This must be this white privilege I hear so much about.

    • @TrevorKhaba
      @TrevorKhaba 5 років тому +12

      Kind of is. If black people were living there they wouldnt be getting so much screen time. Have you ever googled South African squatter camps ? You see white people even though their camps are like less than a percent of the ones in the country.

    • @Speed-shooter
      @Speed-shooter 5 років тому +8

      Trevor Khaba oh stop with the victim crap. Nothing in life is free. Government is greedy and corrupt and the reason unemployment is where it is. This country has been sold to the Chinese at the expense of all citizens while blaming the whites. So enjoy slavery or extinction as that is your future due to the people you voted for. So busy hating whites you can’t even see who is about to be your true downfall.🤣🤣🤣

    • @madtingz8004
      @madtingz8004 5 років тому +13

      @@Speed-shooter Well yes only 0.5% of whites live in poverty and the average white family earns 5 times more than the average black family so yes white privilege exists. Its funny how you people cant comprehend outliers and think anecdotal evidence proves anything.

    • @Adrienne3071
      @Adrienne3071 5 років тому +2

      Or Karma

    • @candicegerman9793
      @candicegerman9793 4 роки тому

      Mad Tingz , tooooo funny

  • @Daud76
    @Daud76 5 років тому +26

    3:10 Water is scarce but enough to dye your hair tapid red? 🤔

    • @louisayoung6729
      @louisayoung6729 5 років тому +1

      😁😂

    • @Daud76
      @Daud76 5 років тому

      @@louisayoung6729 Just a casual observation on my part. 😝😅

    • @Daud76
      @Daud76 4 роки тому

      @Quiche Lorraine Did I hit a nerve? 🤭

    • @kellyalexander7347
      @kellyalexander7347 Рік тому +1

      😂😂😂😂😂😂

    • @Karen-ig6bp
      @Karen-ig6bp 4 місяці тому +3

      So she's not allowed to try and make herself feel better by buying a R25 hair colour at the China/Pakistan shop? Lawd above, you have no sense or idea of how emotional and traumatic it must be to live in conditions like that!!
      Your grass is green for now. The day it happens to you may your eyes open and be humbled beyond comprehension.

  • @helenmcdonnell2585
    @helenmcdonnell2585 5 років тому +5

    Rich man and Lazarus

  • @stiannobelisto573
    @stiannobelisto573 2 роки тому +7

    Come back to Europe, we need you here

    • @inmrtee
      @inmrtee Рік тому +1

      BACK TO THIER MOTHERLAND

    • @user-ww5qw8jd3b
      @user-ww5qw8jd3b 6 місяців тому

      Europe is declining too

    • @nomagcisacawe3297
      @nomagcisacawe3297 4 місяці тому

      ​@@inmrteeThey are South African, that's why they are staying put.

    • @shepavedtheway
      @shepavedtheway 4 місяці тому

      My Brown as*

    • @user-bh2zc9wb2k
      @user-bh2zc9wb2k Місяць тому

      Trust me...they are not representative if the average White South African....you think they would contribute yo your society when they can't even pick up their own rubbish.This was the low class amongst the Whites who were carried by the apartheid government.They never had to think or work hard...they only had to do 2 things..hate Black's and vote for the apartheid government.

  • @rewaatesh4877
    @rewaatesh4877 5 років тому

    To draw the line and start a fresh with children will end this 2nd, 3rd & 4th generation of poverty. I love the idea..big up

  • @iwazhere7077
    @iwazhere7077 6 років тому +7

    @Boer Republic Het julle al n Discord server geskep? Ons moet n plek hê waar ons koppe bymekaar kan kry in orde om doeltreffende oplossings te skep.

    • @iwazhere7077
      @iwazhere7077 6 років тому +1

      @VIIC Commander Daarvan is ek wel bewus. Geld is skynbaar die oorsaak van die hele wereld sé ellende. Tog het geld nie ons voorvaders verhoed om uit die kaap te trek en n nasie vir ons volk te bou nie, of hoe sal jy sê?

    • @iwazhere7077
      @iwazhere7077 6 років тому +1

      @VIIC Commander Ja, die media het ons erg benadeel en as bose rasiste geverf, maar sal ons baat deur om nou daaroor te kla en die skuld voor hulle deur te los? Ek bepaal my eerder met die sake wat op ons eie stoep lê.

    • @iwazhere7077
      @iwazhere7077 6 років тому +2

      @VIIC Commander lyk my ons het baie in gemeen. Ek het gekyk na die kanale waarna jy gesub is :P Ek is seker jy sal hou van Vertigo Politix, Asha Logos en Boer Rebublic se videos ook!

    • @rayhchc6451
      @rayhchc6451 6 років тому

      Het julle gesprek gelees. Vic en ek het soortgelyke gesprek in ander thread op hierdie selfde video. Ons kan nou meer en meer verstaan hoekom Dr HF Verwoerd verwyder moes word. Onder Verwoerd was TV verban. Ja Vic, Verwoerd was ook 'n gelowige leier. Wanneer hierdie tipe leiers weer vorentoe tree in toekoms, en dit SAL gebeur, dan sal jy hervorming sien wat nog nooit in Afrikanerdom belewe is nie.

    • @rayhchc6451
      @rayhchc6451 6 років тому +1

      Yufa Kinlion [•] Inderdaad! Ons voorvaders het Babiloniese Kaap verlaat. Dis 'n kwessie van tyd en daardie dramatise gebeurtenis gaan hom herhaal wanneer Vader dit so ondraaglik gaan maak vir ons - in 'n poging om ons bymekaar te bring. Dan skielik kom Orania gedagte weer op as Noag se Ark. Wanneer Vader ons versamel het, kan Hy begin met Sy groot werk, net soos met Bybelse Israel.
      Ons is nog erg verspreid en verdeeld. Gebeurtenisse in nabye toekoms sal ons nader aanmekaar bring, nie net fisies nie, maar ook geestelik en emosioneel, met a common purpose. Ons sal al ons verskille laat staan en eenheid hê soos in dae van Suckson-Boer oorlog. Vader was nog altyd getrou om 'n herder te hê wat die skape sal lei. Ons sit op oomblik sonder herder, maar dinge gaan weer verander. Opoffering van elkeen gaan geverg word om sodoende effektief die euwel die stryd aan te sê.
      Mag daardie dag spoedig kom!

  • @Chykko808
    @Chykko808 2 роки тому +3

    They have been evicted.. .. I wonder where they are now.

    • @sandrineroesch8706
      @sandrineroesch8706 Рік тому

      Somewhere else,yet still not cleaning up their own environment probably

    • @Chykko808
      @Chykko808 Рік тому

      @@sandrineroesch8706 Very sad indeed

  • @steveemond9592
    @steveemond9592 Місяць тому

    How can we help financially

  • @CaseyWiggin
    @CaseyWiggin 6 місяців тому +2

    Hope these people are okay

  • @cathyabrahamse1929
    @cathyabrahamse1929 3 роки тому +3

    So sad really sad ♥️

  • @mariomoore-gk7xn
    @mariomoore-gk7xn 18 днів тому

    Is poverty a sin?

  • @alvinleong269
    @alvinleong269 2 роки тому +5

    With money and self determination they could build another Orania

  • @AngieFoley-nv3km
    @AngieFoley-nv3km 12 днів тому

    Why cant they go to Pretoria

  • @paublusamericanus292
    @paublusamericanus292 6 років тому +14

    the usa should take the squatters from the other camps here in America. and build shelters for all the south african communities where we could help.

    • @TrevorKhaba
      @TrevorKhaba 5 років тому +2

      @VIIC Commander you have some gall to say we are not from here and should be removed.
      We are as native to SA as one gets. We are a mix of the khoi and San and Bantu. Your ancestors got here in 1652 and now you feel native. Can you pronounce click consonants because native Southern Africans speak click languages. All those mines you talk about were worked by black people. We are not going anywhere because we are home, this is our ancestral land and theres 40 million of us so your just being ridiculous. Best thing for you is to book a ticket home.

    • @chrisonwheels2750
      @chrisonwheels2750 5 років тому +4

      @VIIC Commander shame on you ,you still need to use force like your governnent did to blacks during apartheid ,force never solve any problems we are all humans we just need to help each other because the government is not prepared to help anyone no matter the colour of their skin ,blacks are used in this type of living we still collect water with containers we still use pit toilets as it was design by your government so i dont know what is so special about you because now you are being haunted by your apartheid system

    • @b2flyer1
      @b2flyer1 5 років тому +2

      Paublus Americanus: During Apartheid, when the racist Government had they're boot on the necks of the Black population, the US did NOT take in Blacks. Now that the roles have reversed in SA, and it's whites that have been entrenched, YOU feel the US should step in and help them.That very notion is racist in nature.

    • @nothandonongcebo8176
      @nothandonongcebo8176 5 років тому +1

      Actually this is not reality, a place like that probably existed for them to make a video and push their "white are suffering bulshit"... All of this is lie, so relax miss America we don't need your help. Anyways it always ends great when u bring help 😩😭😖... How is police brutality that side? White Corps still killing people of color?
      Thanks u 'big helper'

    • @azaniabantuzulu
      @azaniabantuzulu 3 роки тому

      @@nothandonongcebo8176 you're right

  • @reburtouvogel682
    @reburtouvogel682 3 місяці тому

    Any follow up on this cover piece?

  • @AndreasAntoniusMaria
    @AndreasAntoniusMaria 3 роки тому +2

    Met een zielig verhaal naar Nederland vluchten en asiel aanvragen. Zeker als u een Nederlandse afkomst kunt aantonen maakt u zeker een kans. Wel koud in de winter, maar dat is het enige nadeel.

  • @Sharonvee1962
    @Sharonvee1962 4 місяці тому

    What did you do all your life?

  • @manuelmagro9173
    @manuelmagro9173 5 років тому +3

    Kom ons begin iets positiefs wat nie polities is nie, maar godvrugtig. Bietjie bevondsing en bietjie innovasie en dissipline en die plakkerskamp word 'n beter plek.

  • @patrickmohlotsa6684
    @patrickmohlotsa6684 3 місяці тому

    welcom to our everyday life...u should document all of us...

  • @aneyvanderwesthuizen9576
    @aneyvanderwesthuizen9576 4 місяці тому +1

    I really think the people complaining about how dirty this place is, have you ever been in a township its much worse there and alot of people in townships also do not have work, i do agree it can be cleaner, but if they do not have water, electrisity how to you think they have sanitary services from the goverment. Even if they pick up all that trash where does it go then

    • @user-bh2zc9wb2k
      @user-bh2zc9wb2k Місяць тому

      Hey...who mentioned race...don't make excuses by bringing in the state of the townships...we comment on those too.Can you imagine these people being voortrekkers?they would give up after 1 kilometre. It was the National Party that created this poverty by allowing this poor white class to thrive by swapping benefits and racial privileges for votes....just like the ANC has done with blacks.These people couldn't even thrive in America...they are what they are..sad as that might be.

  • @dwaynegraham2817
    @dwaynegraham2817 5 років тому +14

    There is work for people who want to work!!!

    • @carcher3279
      @carcher3279 5 років тому

      If they would only get up off their backsides! :)

    • @michellee2990
      @michellee2990 5 років тому +1

      But what if many of these people are having trouble finding work ? There's always people looking for handouts ; we have MANY of those in the U.S. But people go through hard times and might have circumstances they can't control. I have my own hardships and struggle with depression , but i try to encourage myself and make the best of my own circumstances. I can relate to many of these hardships and i know the feeling of hopelessness that comes with it.

  • @MissySteyn
    @MissySteyn 3 місяці тому

    It's so sad hey . Why does our government not step in and help all our people regardless of race or age

  • @mariaearthangel7251
    @mariaearthangel7251 5 років тому +3

    Need to get seeds to them too because more self sufficient I’m too far to take somethingthere😑😧😓

    • @gwilymhowes6422
      @gwilymhowes6422 3 роки тому +1

      I'm afraid those poeple are far too lazy to raise a crop!

    • @kellyalexander7347
      @kellyalexander7347 Рік тому

      ​@@gwilymhowes6422 absolutely to damn lazy they only good at breeding to collect from the government and drink and smoke the money out
      Only sad part is the kids thats that born to pathetic selfish lazy parents

  • @honeydate
    @honeydate 3 місяці тому

    Oh my - how the mighty have fallen!

  • @mary-annnagel9840
    @mary-annnagel9840 5 років тому +2

    Ek het net nie meer antwoorde nie, ek bly op my knieë!

  • @narendrapatel9144
    @narendrapatel9144 3 роки тому

    salman rushdie please help south africa

  • @pietpompies9261
    @pietpompies9261 5 років тому +4

    Swaar om te sien.

  • @tenlandgrabbersoneshallowg3306
    @tenlandgrabbersoneshallowg3306 5 років тому +3

    As julle so gelowig is, maak die plek skoon. Moenie soos die mense wat teen ons is lewe nie. Julle dien 'n God van orde. Ek sien nie dat enigeen eers 'n komposhoop begin nie. Plant iets. Dra meer water aan as 'n groep. Stoor dit in die bottels wat rondgestrooi word om die plantjies te benat. Kry die kinders om te werk. Dis nie 'n skande nie. Dis 'n eer om die vermoens wat God ons gegee het te gebruik. Ek en my gesin was al twee keer sonder heenkome. Ons het die vermoens en geleenthede wat die Here gegee het, gebruik.
    Julle staan en kerm op die grond wat julle LANKAL moes bewerk en beplant het. Hoe dink julle het die Israeliete geleef toe hulle in die woestyn was vir VEERTIG jaar! Waarvoor was die grafie wat elkeen saam moes dra?
    Al raak die rand absoluut NIKS werd en jy het 'n stukkie groente geplant, het jy nie geld nodig om dit te koop nie.
    Waar ek woon is daar nie plek vir iemand wat nie bereid is om sy kant te bring nie. Ek het al vir witmense (my eie familie) die geleentheid gegee om vir my te werk en het salaris betaal terwyl daar nie eers vir my geld was nie, omdat ek elke spaar sent in meer voorraad ingedruk het om die besigheid te laat groei. Boonop het hulle verniet by my gebly en verniet geeet en al die geriewe soos water en elektrisiteit geniet. Maar dit was nie genoeg nie. Nou is hulle in die Noordkaap en kry al weer swaar. Hulle wou terugkom, maar ek het reeds die geleentheid vir 'n ywerige jongman gegee. Ek het nie iemand gesoek nie, maar die Here het hom op my pad geplaas. Rook en drink nie. Kyk na sy ouers. Ek kon nie anders as om hom te help nie. O ja! En alhoewel hy kan bekostig om groente te koop, hy het 'n klein groentetuin wat niemand hom aangese het om te plant nie. Nee, man Kry julle agterent in rat! Julle is nie in 'n konsentrasiekamp nie!

  • @nosisantsele4987
    @nosisantsele4987 3 місяці тому

    As long as those who have the means don't prioritize all South Africans and put them first then we are doomed 😢

  • @tenlandgrabbersoneshallowg3306
    @tenlandgrabbersoneshallowg3306 5 років тому +2

    I urge all my white brothers to check out Suidlanders. At least they have a plan for when it hits the fan...

  • @riaanoosthuizen1624
    @riaanoosthuizen1624 5 років тому +24

    fok.julle kan tenminste die plek skoon maak as julle niks het om te doen nie

    • @Daud76
      @Daud76 5 років тому

      They are too busy moaning and complaining about their sorrows to do anything meaningful with their lives.

    • @donsmith8679
      @donsmith8679 5 років тому +1

      Hulle is tien teen een suip lappe en druggies.

    • @Daud76
      @Daud76 5 років тому

      @@donsmith8679 That is a very strong possibility.

    • @Daud76
      @Daud76 5 років тому

      @Hendrico Steinhobel Could not have said it better myself.

    • @heinrichsiecker7261
      @heinrichsiecker7261 5 років тому +2

      Ek stem saam met jou, Johan. My oorle ouma het altyg gesê, "jy kan arm wees, maar nooit vuil nie.

  • @chicagogyrl7849
    @chicagogyrl7849 6 років тому +5

    I would think this old woman would be getting a pension/ retirement payment.

    • @gwilymhowes6422
      @gwilymhowes6422 5 років тому +2

      Yes, they do. About $110 a month. Good luck buying food AND renting a house with that!

    • @Daud76
      @Daud76 5 років тому +3

      3:10 Yet they can afford red hair dye?

    • @bridgettes4345
      @bridgettes4345 5 років тому +4

      Gwilym Howes that’s what black people get and they survive even through the judgement of being poor and so forth.
      By the way grants for black people only started in 1995 . Before that it was only for whites . I’m not trying to be political but it feels like people are saying white people should-not be poor but it’s ok for blacks to be 🙄

    • @cliffjansevanrensburg4985
      @cliffjansevanrensburg4985 2 роки тому +1

      Don't judge them, it's not hard to end up there

    • @kellyalexander7347
      @kellyalexander7347 Рік тому

      ​@@cliffjansevanrensburg4985 only if you lazy and think breeding is the way of life
      The more you breed the more handout u get from the government
      Thats the only way u would land up like this to damn lazy and want to blame everyone but themselves
      Blacks have being living like this for years and years and noone cared to blind an eye now its white people (Afrikaaners) and everyone must feel sorry
      Not even orangi will take these people in ask yourself WHY

  • @nomagcisacawe3297
    @nomagcisacawe3297 4 місяці тому

    They are hardy. They are back to Great Trek conditions!!!!!

  • @abdelmrabet5575
    @abdelmrabet5575 3 роки тому +3

    Really sad ...have been let down by their own

  • @user-re9qb3jp4c
    @user-re9qb3jp4c 3 місяці тому

    Yahweh asb Vader stuur engele na hulle toe om hulle te help ❤❤❤

  • @tonial5789
    @tonial5789 5 років тому +2

    bring all these people to usa.

  • @98fw
    @98fw 2 роки тому +2

    Beter komen ze 'terug' naar Nederland.

    • @user-bh2zc9wb2k
      @user-bh2zc9wb2k Місяць тому

      Hulle is net so sleg soos die Morokkane...Vrabel liewerste die blanke Suid Afrikaners wat WIL were om by julle man te sluit Maar die klas ...wit menses is Luis en sleg in die algemeen.

  • @AltRockLover
    @AltRockLover 5 років тому +2

    Let’s face it. These poor people aren’t the cream of the crop. In fact, and I don’t mean to be mean, they live as poorly as most blacks. It surprises me the place is so dirty, but I guess that’s what happens when you become so dispirited, and don’t have any prosperous communities nearby to help out. Tragic. I hope things improve for white South Africans.

  • @user-rq3xl1pp9h
    @user-rq3xl1pp9h 5 років тому +10

    our brothers and sisters of the covenent, we love you here in Israel, I hope we can join together in this fight against those that have destroyed your country and are looking to destroy ours.
    I send you love and prayers fromIsraelin the hope that our G-d gives us the strangth of unity and love to win this important battle for the survival of his peoples.

    • @totallyrandomvideos8580
      @totallyrandomvideos8580 5 років тому +4

      Ido Gold SOUTH AFRICA IS NOT THEIR COUNTRY

    • @user-rq3xl1pp9h
      @user-rq3xl1pp9h 5 років тому +3

      @@totallyrandomvideos8580 the Koi and the San are the most original inhabitants of the land ,then came the white european people (in 1652) while the majority of the land was uninhabited by the Koi & San (being nomadic and relatively small tribes that they were).
      bantu people, that during aparthaid were considered black people, came to south africa only starting in 1717, so here's a pop quiz for you: who among these 3 groups has the weakest claim to the land? is it the whites because they are white? (I don't think there were any signes left by nature there saying "whites may not enter this continent" - these were all put by the blacks, that recived their literacy (that's the ability to read and write dear Abdul) from the ancestors of the whites they demand be killed (they don't even WANT them to leave, they want them to DIE)) or is it the Bantu population that is causing somuch violance and crimein SA today? but I guess you know it yourself, you probablly think that Israel doesn't belong in Israel, even though Israel existed thusands of years ago, and Palestine never did (not even in the time of the Philistines (which the Palestinians are related to like I'm related to a coconut tree) was there a Philistine state here, only 2 or 3 cities...) good luck with your articulated argument of:
      "SOUTH AFRICA IS NOT THEIR COUNTRY" IT REALLY HELPS IT'S VALIDITY THAT YOU PUT IT IN ALL CAPITAL LETTERS!!! (not really...)

    • @karelposkabouter6887
      @karelposkabouter6887 5 років тому

      @@totallyrandomvideos8580 you made the statement that SA is not their country. Thus I presume that SA is not the Indian people's country either. This also mean that all immigrants from the middle east in European countries should go back to their country of origin. What a wonderful idea.

    • @karelposkabouter6887
      @karelposkabouter6887 5 років тому

      @@deemil615 I don't think you understand the meaning of racism. If ever you feel cornered you play the racist card. Why do you hate whites? I don't think you really know and you don't want to try and get the truth of what is currently happening in SA. You just jumped on the bandwagon shouting racists and are clueless of why you do that.

    • @karelposkabouter6887
      @karelposkabouter6887 5 років тому

      Thanks Ido Gold.

  • @carinepietersen-jordaan3641
    @carinepietersen-jordaan3641 3 місяці тому

    Nee daar sal nie warm water wees as julle nie betaal vir krag nie.

  • @millintribe6997
    @millintribe6997 5 років тому +4

    Waar is hul families? Hel man in ons familie help ons mekaar. Staak jou dstv hou op braai en rook en drink en kyk na jou familie. Dit Kan met enige iemand gebeur. Ten minste moor en steel hul nie

    • @telleitjie
      @telleitjie 5 років тому

      Hou op rook en drink... 👍
      Hulle skryf eerder familie af voor hulle ophou rook. Dit kan ek jou belowe. I personally know the feeling. 🤷‍♀️

  • @millwallbushwhackers4355
    @millwallbushwhackers4355 4 роки тому +5

    Sorry these guys are lazy I feel. Atleast clean the camp up you have so much time.

  • @iphoneupdate
    @iphoneupdate 4 роки тому +10

    This place is derelict, they need to first clean up.

    • @CrazyFunguy
      @CrazyFunguy 2 роки тому

      Go ahead o hell you penguin lover

    • @kellyalexander7347
      @kellyalexander7347 Рік тому

      To lazy this is what lazy people look like they can't even just clean up their living space .
      You can be the poorest of poor but u can have a clean environment
      The thing that makes one mad is the amount of kids they will have just to make them suffer
      And this happens with the poor africans and Afrikaans people

  • @goatg1574
    @goatg1574 5 років тому +2

    Ons mense sal al hoe meer swaarkry daar is maar net soveel werk en minder geleenthede by die dag

  • @Ziong479t
    @Ziong479t 3 місяці тому +1

    Wat van n gat maak en al die vuilgoed brand. Net om te keer vir siek word asb.

  • @afrikaafrika6431
    @afrikaafrika6431 5 років тому +14

    Let them go to Bloemfontein municipal and register for RDP houses because they have a right as South Africans to have those houses.But not where they want, they will have to stay with other races. They are not the only people living in such circumstances but because of their color now it's a big issue. They have to clean up their place and stop wasting money on cigarettes.

    • @vryheidvirdieboervolk973
      @vryheidvirdieboervolk973 5 років тому +1

      Sadly i have to agree with you, mostly. Tel me one thing however. Why can they not live on there own why must they integrate.
      Can you not let them live in peace and safety amongst themselves .i am sorry (not)
      But i can not see why they must go live in black squater camps to get raped murdered and there last bit of possessions stolen from them . You now as well as me that this black government will not give any rdp houses to whites

    • @axemanfink3228
      @axemanfink3228 5 років тому

      the house lottery :) ? i hear the lists is in some areas extremely long.

    • @dineomolapo2257
      @dineomolapo2257 5 років тому

      +pieter bender so they must be separate ...south Africa is one so if municipality bulids rdp in bloem so almal gaan...what separate like separate toilet in apartheid regime ne.

    • @randomstuff5869
      @randomstuff5869 5 років тому +1

      Unforturnatly their not going to be the first white people to live with blacks bcz of you live in a buble you dnt know nothing about south africa here in port elizabeth thes some white families tht benefited from RDP housing & now tht area is mix courld frm northern area are there africans frm veeplass ,zwide ,kwazakhele are there .
      Even some whites students who are beneficiaries of NSFAS .so for me i dnt feel sory for a person who is too white to ask for RDP house to a black gorvement or who is too white to live in the black neighborhood .even a person who is too white to go & aply for NSFAS

    • @abimollentze7221
      @abimollentze7221 2 роки тому

      maybe you can shut up and go cook some pap

  • @Tina-702
    @Tina-702 Рік тому +4

    If they want to leave, Holland should open their doors , many are ethnicity Dutch.

    • @karelkubes4384
      @karelkubes4384 Місяць тому

      They should come back to Europe to land of their original ancestors.

  • @banelemusa9262
    @banelemusa9262 5 років тому +2

    blessed are those who are poor .don't worry heaven is your place read Bible

  • @brianmkwanazi3601
    @brianmkwanazi3601 3 місяці тому

    Poverty is Poverty and has no eyes to see any colour. It’s unfortunate that people find them living like this.

  • @johnstanush5067
    @johnstanush5067 5 років тому +1

    Engrish please

  • @annetteelliott1494
    @annetteelliott1494 3 місяці тому

    Why have a baby under these circumstances?

  • @vastpeople9623
    @vastpeople9623 5 років тому +1

    Wat gebeur met 'n stabiele genie, reinheid die naaste ding aan Godsaligheid.

  • @user-oe5bs5hg1k
    @user-oe5bs5hg1k 3 місяці тому

    Maak daardie plek skoon.

  • @michaeldaiber1895
    @michaeldaiber1895 5 років тому +15

    So what. Why make a fuss about poor whites? Should whites not be poor? Poverty is not reserved to black people only.

  • @tim8602
    @tim8602 5 років тому +4

    Firstly I'm not South African, but isn't Bloemfontein near Orania. And in an other video it was said there is plenty of farming work there. So why not help Afrikaners to move there?

    • @felicitymemela1963
      @felicitymemela1963 3 роки тому +3

      Because only rich Afrikaaners move to Orania, not those who will become a burden 😔

    • @aneyvanderwesthuizen9576
      @aneyvanderwesthuizen9576 4 місяці тому

      ​@@felicitymemela1963 i do not agree with you i have been in orania and the people there are not rich

  • @KevinTravis-kw1rr
    @KevinTravis-kw1rr 4 місяці тому

    Heard about English.

  • @user-ox7vb6sy1d
    @user-ox7vb6sy1d 4 місяці тому

    lol I had to go back and look again . Are you sure about your statement? lol I think she had trouble rinsing all the dye out haha

  • @juriegildenhuys4336
    @juriegildenhuys4336 4 місяці тому

    Waar is die RDP huise vir hierdie gemeenskap 😢

  • @Tsumebleraar
    @Tsumebleraar 5 років тому +3

    Mens het seker nie water nodig om net papiere op te tel voor jou eie huis nie! Dis hartseer, maar ook ontstellend om die innerlike verval van ons eie mense te aanskou.

  • @joanbosman4295
    @joanbosman4295 3 місяці тому

    Here met jule wees

  • @helenmcdonnell2585
    @helenmcdonnell2585 5 років тому +3

    Gwilym Howes, very easy from your lofty position to judge, you came from an educated privileged family. These people came from the working class. As for the messy condition, they don't even have clean on tap water! They're in abject poverty.
    I am Shaun Herbert's widow, wonder what you'd say if you knew what happened to your old school mate. Maybe humble you, if that be possible.

  • @Ancois1981
    @Ancois1981 12 днів тому

    My hart bloei regtig vir hierdie mense en veral die kinders. Om so te bly is hartseer maar genade, hou julle kampe skoon! Geen persoon met beskikbare grond sal julle wil in neem nie want die plek lyk soos n ashoop. Jy kan arm wees, maar skoon wees.
    Dan aan helpendehand. Ek was n lid..ongelukkig is dit nie net meer ons volk wat voordeel trek uit die skenkings nie. Ek vind dit bitter onregverdig dat ander nasies ook baat vind daarby aangesien die regering hul alreeds help.
    Dus het ek ontrek en sal slegs weer aansluit as omstandighede verander.
    Asb, doen navraag by die ouers van skole wie wel hul tassies ontvang en of dit regtig vir die regte kind gaan. Ons skool het die tassies uitgedeel aan mammas wat werk het in hoë poste! Die kinders wat nie nuwe taste en skryfbehoeftes kan bekostig nie, het niks ontvang nie. Liefs moet dit self deur julle uitgedeel word en nie by die kantoor afgegooi word sodat die kantoor dame dit vir haar vriendine uitdeel nie.

  • @user-mi3hx7st3q
    @user-mi3hx7st3q 6 місяців тому

    My daughter have two degrees
    but no job for her.As black people we also struggle.My daughter should have help me as old man.I invested all
    My money to education.

  • @madelainevanzyl644
    @madelainevanzyl644 3 місяці тому

    So very sad 😔
    They must also educate them not to have children or just one child
    Children should not live like that
    There is no further for those children

  • @ferdischoltz4269
    @ferdischoltz4269 14 днів тому

    Ek dink hulle kan hulle area netjieser hou want hel weet…..tel bietjie die rommel op dis mos nie moeite nie🤷🏻‍♂️

  • @louisvanniekerk2612
    @louisvanniekerk2612 4 місяці тому

    It is a disgrace that they have lost respect for themselves. The self hatred is evident, the filth around them is a testimony thereof. Stop feeling sorry for people who live accordingly rather empower them by giving them a purpose which includes correctting their behavior by making them conscious thereof and stimulating their God given talent. Give them purpose do not feel sorry for them love them there is a difference sorry and love are not synonyms.

  • @user-qi7id4me3l
    @user-qi7id4me3l Місяць тому

    Dit is Moeilik om te Oordeel. Ek Lees deur die Comments. Hulle kan Skoonmaak ja. Maar Mens kom op ñ Punt in Jou Lewe wanneer Jy Swaarkry en dan Verloor Jy Jou Trots ook. Almal kan Oordeel,maar as Jy nog nie Self in Die Dumps was kan Jy Ongelukkig nie saam praat. Al wanneer Mens moet afkyk na Iemand is wanneer Jy Besig is om Hulle op te Help. Almal het nie met Hulle Agterente in die Botter geval.

  • @stevenvaloyi2439
    @stevenvaloyi2439 7 місяців тому

    Even to clean affected by ur poorest big nooo..SB poor b clean too

  • @crazyvibez007
    @crazyvibez007 5 років тому +1

    Come on my people did you register for sassa?free house? And do you also apply for lower jobs just like any of us ,we all are in the same situation but we all are trying to survive with the little we have.it is not about colour but about here ,can you be a cleaner?can you be a domestic worker can you be a cashier in retail store?just be honest to yourself ,there is a long que of people waiting for houses, water and electricity ,why is yours needing special treatment why don't you get involved with the people and the country just like everyone else ,you always exclude yourself why?

    • @abimollentze7221
      @abimollentze7221 2 роки тому

      white people get rejected for government assistance, unlike other races. we get rejected for any type of job because of BEE. why don't you go back to your hole. rdp houses have water , boreholes are drilled for you there, you get free electricity. whites get nothing like that, so it's more difficult

    • @kellyalexander7347
      @kellyalexander7347 Рік тому

      Cause they to damn lazy they only good at breeding for the government help to drink the money out these people are just lazy
      Not even their own people in oranjie will take them in ask yourself why

  • @its_nightwolf2764
    @its_nightwolf2764 5 років тому +8

    groot seun Hoekom werk jy nie dammit !

    • @mignonvanderwalt2462
      @mignonvanderwalt2462 5 років тому

      Hi Bonnie wil ek ook weet, hy het niks by gevoeg nie, hy kon gevra het vir iemand wat hom 'n kaans sal gee of werk gaan soek in tuin. Mense kan my maar met klippe gooi, maar nog nooit het 'n wit arm man of vrou na my ouers sy huis toe gekom en gevra vir werk nie, het gevra vir kos of geld, en het een keer by winkel gestop toe kom die ou uit die drank bottle geloop, my pa het hom amper gedonder. en my pa het gese nooit weer sal hy help nie, ons het altyd kos bokse in desembers op gemaak en vir die local mini plakkerskamp gaan gee, Ek het net vandag weer 'n video gekry van wit mense wat in krugersdorp in 'n plakkerskamp almal gedrink is en op mekaar skreeu en vloek(die taal wat gebruik word is scary) en dan is die vrou swanger en staan met sigaret tussen die vinger. as daar nie geld is vir kos nie, waar kry hulle die geld vir drank. hulp kom van 2 kante af, as jy bereid is om vir my te wys jy probeer en kom vra vir hulp sal ek help, maar om bak handtjies te staan wys net vir my jy is te ly om te werk,

    • @karenpeach4528
      @karenpeach4528 5 років тому +1

      just maybe he is still school going

    • @5801160052086
      @5801160052086 5 років тому

      HEs sporting a beard?

  • @deveelvraat3404
    @deveelvraat3404 5 років тому +2

    Better start uploading to BitChute as well. YT is on another round of censorship.

  • @joanbosman4295
    @joanbosman4295 3 місяці тому

    Mag die Here met jule wees

  • @AndyOrtlieb-sr7uc
    @AndyOrtlieb-sr7uc 11 місяців тому

    😮1❤❤❤

  • @wilnabester4112
    @wilnabester4112 3 місяці тому

    Dit is hartseer moet nie oordeel nie, moet nooit jou self respek verloor nie. Maak skoon Om julle huise of blyplekke, behou julle self respek.

  • @Antoinette-iv6ev
    @Antoinette-iv6ev 4 місяці тому

    Arm mense kan ook skoon wees,regtig mense ,julle kan ten minste die terrein netjies hou,

  • @johannesswarts9595
    @johannesswarts9595 5 років тому +1

    Ek is baie jammer om julle in die kondisie te sien

  • @tshepohlanga2903
    @tshepohlanga2903 5 років тому +14

    People think it's worse than sad when it's another race... never seen such heartfelt comments and people willing to help the other race... I guess it's each dog for him or herself... but truth be told these people are lazy...

    • @nemo401
      @nemo401 3 роки тому +1

      @Chris Smith you basically had the same system under apartheid so suck it up
      tables turn

    • @gideonhendrikvanbiljon2634
      @gideonhendrikvanbiljon2634 3 роки тому

      Poes

    • @xolajonas3424
      @xolajonas3424 Рік тому

      @@gideonhendrikvanbiljon2634 you ride hey 😶

    • @kellyalexander7347
      @kellyalexander7347 Рік тому

      Very true very lazy always need to blame others for the down fall and how come you only see these white squatter camps are only Afrikaans people
      They poor yet will have the most children same like the blacks the more kids they have the more 350s you collect from government absolutely disgusting
      Dont have kids and pets when u can't look after them its unacceptable
      There needs to be a law in this shit hole country if u can't afford to have kids you are ban having them
      Only ones that suffer here are the kids and dogs

    • @sarahhumphreys3980
      @sarahhumphreys3980 Рік тому

      ​@nemo401 noone should have to live in poverty no matter the skin colour. Also it wasn't them that put apartheid in place. It was their government.

  • @anneerbe1250
    @anneerbe1250 4 місяці тому

    Father I pray in the of Jesus that you will make away where there no way Amen

  • @quovadis7119
    @quovadis7119 5 років тому

    So where's the AWB 'Ystergaade'?? Rusted?

  • @brucefarnham6616
    @brucefarnham6616 4 місяці тому

    Sadly

  • @kciusgaba890
    @kciusgaba890 5 років тому +13

    For us black people it is a normal life living in bad condition but not so dirty conditions.

    • @exotiquedj4508
      @exotiquedj4508 11 місяців тому

      amanuku nje lawa asizwa o mama no sis bethu abangama maid