I did hear about how 8 million people tried to get tickets for her concert in Singapore, a country of 5 million So clearly she has SOME south/south East Asian presence I’ve seen her feminism songs actually be more popular in India specifically because not as many people talk about being infantalized as a woman there
They are actually not. If you look at the fine print, the organizers reserve the right to award anyone they want regardless of fan vote. also most awards have opaque voting systems. they are attendance awards.
They were better simply because MTV and music videos dominated the culture. It was a real event. Most of the music was still dogshit. It was just more culturally relevant.
I remember being so excited for the VMAs in the 90s and making sure I had total control of the tv on that night. So many great performances back in those days.
I was thinking that too, were the VMAs really all that? I watched them a few times as a kid but I can't really remember if they were super interesting apart from the big iconic moments 🤷🏻♀️
@@alenyaus They always focussed on pop acts and gave an aside to super successful good acts. They were just much more relevant. It used to be an event whereas I didn’t even know it had happened this year.
The NSYNC reunion would’ve been a lot more exciting if it weren’t for the fact that a) They’ve already done it 10 years ago, on that very stage (holy shit, I’m getting old), and B) It was yet another sign that Justin is desperate af to maintain his increasingly-shrinking relevance. P.S. I’m still waiting for the Man of the Woods Trainwreckords
Idk… I would say Justin is still relevant. I don’t see this as a desperate move. I hated MOTW but Say Something was a huge song. I think he’s been intentionally taking a break since then. Because he hasn’t put out any solo work since then; it’s all just been songs for movies or random features I think.
@@eggsrsweetI would say he’s not as relevant as he hopes to be given when I said his name to my 16 year old sister and her friends I had to pull out google, and when they didn’t recognize him, I had to say “he used to date britney spears” and “the trolls song”. She only new who I was talking about when I started singing the annoying trolls theme
The only way Justin can become relevant again is if he shaves, gets some botox, divorces his wife and goes back to working with Pharrell and Timbaland so he can get their MJ rejects. Let's be real. And on top of that in this cancel culture society, finds a way to collab with Janet Jackson.
As a brazilian, you're absolutely right about your version of Anitta being a forgettable pop act that labels try way too hard to make "happen". She built a huge fandom here doing brazilian funk music, a genre that she grew up with, where the energetic music matched her big personality, but to become more palatable to the rest of LatAm and the US she started doing these generic pop and raggaeton songs that are so fucking bland that even her sizable fandom can't get charting *in Brazil*.
fellow brazilian here, her english songs tend to be pretty generic but there are a few that genuinely I thought had potencial (boys don't cry especially)
A articulação internacional dela nos últimos anos que eu tenho achado muito forçada. Na época em que ela simplesmente tava colaborando e cantando em outras línguas (Downtown, Medicina), achava que eram músicas interessantes. Não obra primas, mas um popzinho legal. Agora, eu tô tão confuso com a direção da carreira dela.
I think it perfectly sums up how much I care about this award show that not only did I not know what the Video of the Year nominees were until I saw an ad for it when I left a tv airing of School of Rock on as background noise, but I didn't even know they were announced at all until then.
@@cwtrain I mean it’s on Todd’s channel though. ToddCast would be catchy and fun. It’s not like his co-host’s name is in the current title anyway. Actually he’s not even mentioned in the description or video links either.
Todd trying to explain NCT (41:06) made me laugh, there's now 26 members since there's going to be another subunit. Also yes Stray Kids is full of strays
@@myragingwhormoansme too I’m waiting for him to properly get into kpop and review a group (like how amazing would it be for him to deep dive Stray kids for a podcast episode?)
@@thedrunkenelfmeh. Don’t hold your breath. He’s about my age and we just don’t vibe with K-pop. To us it sounds like the worst parts of the early 2000s.
@@UhohlisaIt quite literally sounds like all the parts of 2000s American pop that people tried hard to forget about. In that sense, trying to get an older person into loving K-pop is like trying to get the French into loving the monarchy.
I think also the problem with that ceremony is that videos aren't much of a thing anymore, to the point the VIDEO awards are now making categories like Artist of the year, song of the year and album of the year, categories that don't make any sense with the video tag and I know that because they weren't there a decade ago, so it makes sense Taylor has won video of the year like 5 times already, she's the only one who make her videos a thing to promote, the last time a video cause any spur was Montero.
The biggest crime is only giving The Warning 30 seconds of screentime. Yes, I'm rock music biased. Maneskin's lead singer being bald now is a thing now, too.
I’m oblivious to anything MTV anymore, but I’m plugged into contemporary music, especially guitar-based. 30 seconds of “More” is “more” than enough,” considering how bad it is, compared to anything from “Error.” That album was strong as hell front-to-back.
The full versions of More and Evolve are on UA-cam and are perhaps the best live versions so far. The Warning perhaps got the most attention for their pink carpet appearance, which was indeed stunning.
Please don’t stop watching vmas no matter how bad it is for a couple of years now I’ll still listen to your takes. Who knows a new artist might make the next upcoming vmas entertaining and you guys might miss out on it 😅
Back in 2020, Miracle of Sound (an indie artist that does amazing rock songs mostly inspired by video games) did monthly tweets of We Didn't Start the Fire verses of everything that was happening. I wish he had done a recording of it.
It's a fan voted award and Taylor's fans voted for her so she won. I have a feeling she's going to be getting more awards when the Grammys and the AMAs roll around.
I love how Todd can smell an industry plant from a mile away, Anitta (and Ice Spice) don't really have anything to offer talent wise but they sure seem to know how to make connections..... (I say this as a Brazilian)
@@meganperry9949 I just wanna listen to Todd and friends' thoughts on both songs as well as past and present experiences with both ladies. I also wonder about an episode on "Stronger" vs "Fighter" or "Sometimes" vs "What A Girl Wants".
@@GetBenched2010 she literally wins Grammy after Grammy, which is not a fan voted award. She has 2 of the best selling tours of all time. (Actual) critics praise her songwriting. How are you all this fucking stupid?
One thing I never get tired of is non-Kpop ppl confused by the size of kpop groups. Always funny Edit: The MAMA award for Best New Female Artist went to a girl group with 16 members. They're not even done with the members. There's supposed to be 24
taylor swift's music is fine, even really good as far as pop music goes. but this whole taylor swift phenomenon is so odd. I feel like there's this mass desire or even FOMO desire to be part of it (e.g. fans) and/or benefit from it (e.g. media), which is driving this phenomenon so much more than the music
I do too. I’ve never been a Swiftie, but I feel like I hit Eras Tour fatigue in like April. It’s now September and we still have so much of it (Including the movie) to go. Here Taylor, here’s your gold star for going on stage, performing, and recycling your old stuff. Come back when you have new stuff and we’ll talk then.
That's always been the case when a musician gets big enough. If you're the biggest artist in the world, some of your fan base is going to be just because you're the biggest artist in the world. It's been true for The Beatles, Madonna, Kanye, and any other artist that could be called a phenomenon.
Last (white wo)man standing, it also doesn't help that every person who has to write for a living or people write about for living is a swiftie, a parent of one, or at least knows one personally.
It's been driving me up a wall for months. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills while everyone's maintaining this facade that the unseasoned chicken of music is secretly the greatest musical act since The Beatles. I'll be in class, hear some incredibly boring Swift song with absolutely nothing interesting on production, and then I'll hear people saying they love it. I feel like I'm losing my mind hearing endless praise for music that makes me want to hook a car battery to my balls so I can feel anything
41:29 "god, how do any of them get paid?" well. if the long and rich history of SM entertainment getting sued by their artists is anything to go by,,,,, not very fairly
just at the start - thank you for your service. I will never watch any of these shows but I very much enjoy hearing you talk about it, it's definitely a favourite of mine
Well it's been ten years that I stop watching VMA and when I heard about this podcast being posted, I dropped everything and decided to listen about this and I feel like I missed nothing from watching VMA and I made the right decision in quitting this show. Anyway great podcast folks keep up the good work.
Two points: 1. As far as country artists performing at the VMAs, Kacey Musgraves performed at the VMAs in 2021 (and Taylor pre-1989 counts here too, of course). 2. Kelsea Ballerini released an EP, Rolling Up the Welcome Mat, which came out earlier this year (along with a deluxe edition a few weeks ago), that is a LOT more pop than her previous four albums--which is interesting because her most album, last year's Subject to Change, is overall her most overtly country sounding album yet.
i went to the pre-taping of the fall out boy performance and the vibe of the people i went with was “why the fuck didn’t they play their song that was up for an award”. had i known i was going to waste like 8 hours of my day to see that song four times i probably wouldn’t have gone. the redeeming part of the experience was the crowd singing sugar we’re going down and patrick joining in. we also couldn’t parse why patrick and pete had the big suits on. was it a talking heads thing? if so, why???? whatever. i had fun. that song is not good tho
kelsea ballerini was on right after them, she was super cute and charming on stage, and very excited about her quick change, which she had to redo because she tore it off on the wrong word the first time around
To be frank I believe the VMA's are doing Taylor how they did Michael Jackson in the 90s. Michael and the VMA's had a VERY love/hate relationship, so to ensure that Michael would actually show up or even better perform, they would give him whatever award he wanted EVEN if they had to create one just for Michael. I'm starting to feel like that's what's going on with Taylor and the VMA's, kinda how the Grammy's has done Beyonce, with the only difference being Beyonce is more than aware she's just here for face. Taylor as it was said does like the VMA's but I think she's VERY aware that they are giving her all these awards to keep her there. Awards shows has their favorites and they want to make sure those favorites are in the front row.
@@kevaughnramsay9846 They are but the point I'm making is the VMA's will always give out awards to their favorites and the ones they need to fill those seats.
Obligatory Trainwreckords request list: Invincible - Michael Jackson NKOTB - New Kids on the Block The Golden Age of Grotesque - Marilyn Manson Supposed Former Infatuation Junkie - Alanis Morissette Signs of Life - Billy Squier Two Hearts - Men At Work Garth Brooks is…Chris Gaines The Final Cut - Pink Floyd Love Beach - Emerson, Lake, and Palmer Calling All Stations - Genesis Metal Machine Music - Lou Reed Lulu - Metallica & Lou Reed Yes Please - Happy Mondays Second Coming - The Stone Roses Results May Vary - Limp Bizkit Songs of Innocence - U2 Idlewild - OutKast Revival - Eminem Man of the Woods - Justin Timberlake The Big Day - Chance The Rapper America - 30 Seconds to Mars Father of All… - Green Day Head Over Heels - Paula Abdul Other Voices - The Doors
Honestly it's still surprising that Cruel Summer didn’t reach #2 yet on the Billboard Hot 100. You guys think only a music video could make that a possibility?
The song got almost ruined for me by the commercial success. Ik it's weird, but I don't like the fact everyone knows it now. It felt like a hidden gem for only Swifites now its everyones.
I was about to type a comment about how shocked I am that Olivia didn’t score a single award but then I remembered that these are fan-voted awards. Now it makes sense; nothing beats the Swifties.
I cut my cable cord this year so i couldn't watch the VMAs, but that's why we have Todd and Lina and the Song Vs Song podcast's annual review and roasting of the event. Which you two might not like it, but deep down you 2 love to this.
I like the we didn’t start the fire modernisation because I am a long time fall out boy fan and i think it’s cool to see them embrace them being in their post history, id rather they be dorky and embarrassing in a fun way than be what they were during the 2010s
THANK YOU TODD!! NewJeans 1000% should’ve been motivated this year. NewJeans don’t just make good music by k-pop standards but good music in general. Like really good music. They should’ve been nominated last year too if we’re bbreally being honest. Their music is just WAYY TOO good to simply ignore.
Fr 😓 And I’ve kinda TRIED to ignore them bc they have a couple songs that are too innuendo filled and flirtatious for a group with such young kids and it makes me UNCOMFY But man they really groove..
Besides the VMAs, this is a rather quiet month for Taylor, compared to October: - The Continuation of Eras Tour - The Eras Tour Movie - 1989 Taylor's Version - Many, many Swifties' halloween outfits It truly is just getting started.
its the end of the line. All of this has been 'I grew up with Swifty,' none has been what she's doing currently. She's a Vegas act now like Katy Perry and Beyonce.
34:56 "Was Ma$e busy?!?" Yes, he was busy NOT speaking to Puff Daddy because of all the animosity between them regarding royalties. I'm guessing that's why the rest of the Bad Boy Family (edit: who are still alive) didn't make it either.
i truly believe some of the key awards should not be fan-voted bc obviously the artist with the biggest fandom is gonna take it. very boring to see taylor’s least impressive record garner so many accolades.
NewJeans songs are so lovely! They have such clear vocals…Todd I can’t believe you love them you always seemed to hate kpop because you never put it on your top ten (maybe NewJeans will feature on your 2023 top ten???)
I don't think not putting a kpop song in his top 10 songs of the whole year means he hates it. He obviously likes music that doesn't make it into his top 10. Also, kpop just isn't everyone's taste. It doesn't mean someone hates it if they don't care to listen to it.
Word. And it SURE does appear that they've taken to giving people big, special awards and telling them in advance, so they'll show up and maybe get a bump in streams. It's all plastic. Damn near EVERYTHING is, now.
that's so sad lol, as a brazilian who really wants her to succeed, I personally really like some of her songs in english but yeah she keeps trying to get a hit in the US but it's just not working
she only works singing brazilian funk in portuguese although i guess not even michael jackson could make this current generic, bland, boring music she's making work lol
I feel like what MTV had in the '90s (apart from nostalgia in the present, as others have suggested) is that music videos still had some of their '80s cultural cachet. This isn't to say they aren't still relevant, but compared to back when MTV played music it's not what it used to be. Also holy shit imagine they _did_ use AI to write parts of it and _this_ was the first media outlet to report on it.
I don’t get why N’SYNC was there. We were ALL expecting them to announce the reunion, but they just awkwardly stood there. Even Taylor gave them a second chance to make the announcement, but they didn’t.
i now unironically want the VMA's to make it a rule that if you don't show up Taylor gets to receive the award, wearing your nametag/an oversized T-shirt with their name on Sharpie also another year i want Reggaeton to stop trying to happen, that genre peaked at Calle 13 ... (actually for that matter, has anyone found where Bieber is supposed to be during Despacito?
It's literally the Taylor Swift show, but I mean her fans are probably keeping it alive so... Honestly most memorable part of the night for me was Nicki telling everyone to shut the fuck up when she was reading nominees- her energy is just always so weird and aggressive but I can't lie and pretend like it isn't funny to me. I loved Stray Kids, and they're one of the few big kpop acts that actually write and produce their own music, I think their pop is more fun than most the other stuff I heard at the VMA's, I wish they'd got to Item or DLC though I think maybe you guys would have vibed those songs more. Will say that weird song about not being a hoe anymore ?? made me laugh... Not sure about that one. Honestly Anitta was very mid to me and FOB was cringeworthy. The VMA's definitely just feels weird these days, like it's not quite right anymore, I still had fun talking shit while it was on though.
For One Hit Wonderland, how about Michael Franti & Spearhead's "Say Hey (I Love You")? That song was everywhere between 2009 and 2011, from the opening credits of "Valentine's Day" to trailers for "The Backup Plan" and "Grown Ups".
Taylor and I were born two days apart. I’ve been a musician since a pre-teen, and the VMAs were the coolest thing growing up, seeing the event in its heyday as I, and probably she did, made a big impression on me. Honestly I’d have the same energy for it.
Another element in things like Conan doing the show w/o writers in the '07/'08 strike: That was pre- SAG and AFTRA, which resulted in a loophole that allowed for said approach. Since merging in 2012, that loophole no longer exists.
I didn't get why Fall Out Boy didn't play anything from their new album. A medley of Love From The Other Side, Hold Me Like a Grudge and Heartbreak Feels So Good could've been good. Hell, even their iconic older stuff.
MTV has lost its own connection to music videos on TV so because of that it seems pointless for them to A. be called Music Television and b. for them to still associate themselves with a music video awards
Okay. So, I listened to Olivia Rodrigo's song "The Grudge." (I am NOT going to write the title with no capitalization. I don't think this song is about Taylor Swift. I don't think it is a good idea to look at one lyric and say, "Oh, this song is about Taylor Swift."
very fun podcast! also could you pleeeeaaaaseeeeee turn on captions? i need my captions english is not my first language and audio-proccessing issues don't help ^^;
6:43 What did the MTV VMAS have in the 90s that the VMAS don’t have now? That is really easy! My favorite segment in all of VMA’S history, The International Viewers Choice.
In the past, we had no choice. in the 90s as a teen, we didn't get to just know everything about our signers, they was a mistic about them, and plus, we didn't have the internet to listen to songs wen ever we can. I will always remember Eminem opening the show with "guess who's back?" It was epic
I do wonder if airing this awards show was a test to see if they could use ChatGPT/AI to write a show script. If it was, I hope it does prove that writers are truly needed, and writers do deserve fair compensation.
i've been saying this for months or even years, anitta from head to toe is definitely an industry plant. wouldn't surprise me if she becomes really big in five years as other industry plants that people now seen as "iconic or legandary" like drake, cardi b, j-lo and travis scott.
The only reason why I watched the VMAs eas to see The Warning. They actually had a rock band preform, granted it was only a minute but they wete the only thing i enjoyed.
Hi, Todd. I enjoy hearing you and Lina talk about the VMA's. It is interesting to hear your thoughts on the performances, particularly because I myself didn't listen to the VMA's. Also, Todd, there used to be nine members in Stray Kids.
that's why i can't get into american music after listening to kpop. kpop songs seem to focus on impact way more, american pop songs sound like they were made to play repeatedly on the radio at walmart.
MTV does not play music videos anymore so I feel these VMAs are like a Zombie award show. Why is no one in media news talking about how MTV is just a Zombie network. How are they able to get acts to show up?
Todd in the shadows....n the shadows....you know who could be the next one hit wonder? the Rasmus - In the Shadows ... if it was even a thing in America
glad i'm not the only one who hates fall out boy's cover of billy joel's we didn't start the fire! i hope it makes it on your worst of 2023 list because i think it's as worse and bottom tier as taylor swift's cover of earth, wind and fire's september, john mayer's cover of tom petty's free fallin and madonna's cover of don mclean's american pie.
I completely understand the cult of Swifties but I also just straight up don’t get it.. What am I missing? Is she an inter-dimensional being that is trying to take over our universe? Because I’m not sure if I’ve seen a popstar with this much of a hold over people (not counting MJ). But I also completely understand MJ’s draw..
Ten albums means a heap of songs, with lyrics that connect with a wide array of people. Top notch production, puts on an amazing show. And she has become the biggest star in the world yet still comes off as somewhat normal, relatable/nice, unlike MJ or Madonna et al. Also she’s a very pretty white woman which also helps.
@@beverleyhicks2952 I totally understand that portion of it, but I guess I find it a little depressing too. My relationship with popstars wavers, and I just find the hero/cult worship of her kinda unsettling. I see Elon Musk the same way, but I’d say his true follower count couldn’t hold a candle to hers.
the thing with Taylor is the “cult following” is really a small percentage of her fans but there’s a lot larger percentage of people who hate her so that small percentage of people who are cultish gets portrayed as the majority instead of what it is
I'm watching this a few months out but you're definitely right about Shakira deserving her flowers now. And it made the rest of the show look terrible to see her give such a great performance. But also, I think you're right about Sabrina Carpenter. She recently got into trouble with the Brooklyn Diocese for filming a video at a church and she reminds me of a young Lady Gaga
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I feel like it’s important to remember that the VMAs are fan-voted awards, and Taylor’s fanbase is arguably the biggest/most loyal in America
I did hear about how 8 million people tried to get tickets for her concert in Singapore, a country of 5 million
So clearly she has SOME south/south East Asian presence
I’ve seen her feminism songs actually be more popular in India specifically because not as many people talk about being infantalized as a woman there
Don’t fuck around with the die hard Swifties.
Ear Covid. I've seen this before.Taylor Swift fans have Ear Covid. Covidius Shitymusicus, to be precise.
@@dirkjewitt5037ok who asked
They are actually not. If you look at the fine print, the organizers reserve the right to award anyone they want regardless of fan vote. also most awards have opaque voting systems. they are attendance awards.
I vote that since Todd and Lina seem bored of these, next year they rewatch a VMA from the 90s to see if they really were better!
That's actually a really good idea
They were better simply because MTV and music videos dominated the culture. It was a real event. Most of the music was still dogshit. It was just more culturally relevant.
I remember being so excited for the VMAs in the 90s and making sure I had total control of the tv on that night. So many great performances back in those days.
I was thinking that too, were the VMAs really all that? I watched them a few times as a kid but I can't really remember if they were super interesting apart from the big iconic moments 🤷🏻♀️
@@alenyaus They always focussed on pop acts and gave an aside to super successful good acts. They were just much more relevant. It used to be an event whereas I didn’t even know it had happened this year.
The NSYNC reunion would’ve been a lot more exciting if it weren’t for the fact that a) They’ve already done it 10 years ago, on that very stage (holy shit, I’m getting old), and B) It was yet another sign that Justin is desperate af to maintain his increasingly-shrinking relevance. P.S. I’m still waiting for the Man of the Woods Trainwreckords
Idk… I would say Justin is still relevant. I don’t see this as a desperate move. I hated MOTW but Say Something was a huge song. I think he’s been intentionally taking a break since then. Because he hasn’t put out any solo work since then; it’s all just been songs for movies or random features I think.
@@eggsrsweetDon’t forget he was also featured on the new Timbaland song with Nelly Furtado.
@@eggsrsweetI would say he’s not as relevant as he hopes to be given when I said his name to my 16 year old sister and her friends I had to pull out google, and when they didn’t recognize him, I had to say “he used to date britney spears” and “the trolls song”. She only new who I was talking about when I started singing the annoying trolls theme
The only way Justin can become relevant again is if he shaves, gets some botox, divorces his wife and goes back to working with Pharrell and Timbaland so he can get their MJ rejects. Let's be real. And on top of that in this cancel culture society, finds a way to collab with Janet Jackson.
Justin Timberlake is a legend, y’all better recognize
The idea of a record club like a book club is about the coolest sounding thing I have heard of. I'd happily join up with such a thing.
There are already several… Vinyl Me Please and Bandbox are two of the biggest.
As a brazilian, you're absolutely right about your version of Anitta being a forgettable pop act that labels try way too hard to make "happen".
She built a huge fandom here doing brazilian funk music, a genre that she grew up with, where the energetic music matched her big personality, but to become more palatable to the rest of LatAm and the US she started doing these generic pop and raggaeton songs that are so fucking bland that even her sizable fandom can't get charting *in Brazil*.
fellow brazilian here, her english songs tend to be pretty generic but there are a few that genuinely I thought had potencial (boys don't cry especially)
Envolver was pretty good but all i see her do is move her booty. It’s tantalizing for a while but it gets tiring
A articulação internacional dela nos últimos anos que eu tenho achado muito forçada. Na época em que ela simplesmente tava colaborando e cantando em outras línguas (Downtown, Medicina), achava que eram músicas interessantes. Não obra primas, mas um popzinho legal. Agora, eu tô tão confuso com a direção da carreira dela.
Comparing her to Rita Ora and Bebe Rhexa was really on point
I think it perfectly sums up how much I care about this award show that not only did I not know what the Video of the Year nominees were until I saw an ad for it when I left a tv airing of School of Rock on as background noise, but I didn't even know they were announced at all until then.
As someone who is a fan of the k-pop group Seventeen (that ironically has 13 members), I will remain silent 💀
It just dawned on me that Todd missed an opportunity by not calling this his ToddCast! 😂
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It's two people though. Why don't you go do half of my work and I'll slap my name on the top? Sound good?
@@cwtrain come on, let people have some pun
@@cwtrain well it's a good thing he didn't call the show that then innit mate
@@cwtrain I mean it’s on Todd’s channel though. ToddCast would be catchy and fun. It’s not like his co-host’s name is in the current title anyway. Actually he’s not even mentioned in the description or video links either.
Todd trying to explain NCT (41:06) made me laugh, there's now 26 members since there's going to be another subunit. Also yes Stray Kids is full of strays
love some todd x kpop crumbs
@@myragingwhormoansme too I’m waiting for him to properly get into kpop and review a group (like how amazing would it be for him to deep dive Stray kids for a podcast episode?)
@@thedrunkenelf i'm doing that for every music youtuber. brad music's kpop video was the highlight of my year lmao
@@thedrunkenelfmeh. Don’t hold your breath. He’s about my age and we just don’t vibe with K-pop. To us it sounds like the worst parts of the early 2000s.
@@UhohlisaIt quite literally sounds like all the parts of 2000s American pop that people tried hard to forget about. In that sense, trying to get an older person into loving K-pop is like trying to get the French into loving the monarchy.
I think also the problem with that ceremony is that videos aren't much of a thing anymore, to the point the VIDEO awards are now making categories like Artist of the year, song of the year and album of the year, categories that don't make any sense with the video tag and I know that because they weren't there a decade ago, so it makes sense Taylor has won video of the year like 5 times already, she's the only one who make her videos a thing to promote, the last time a video cause any spur was Montero.
The biggest crime is only giving The Warning 30 seconds of screentime. Yes, I'm rock music biased. Maneskin's lead singer being bald now is a thing now, too.
Am I alone in hating his new hairstyle? His long hair was one of the sexiest parts about him
People go bald. Get over it. @@gut853
Yeah, I was nodding along to most of this until I heard their name. "Oh shit, The Warning was there?"
I’m oblivious to anything MTV anymore, but I’m plugged into contemporary music, especially guitar-based. 30 seconds of “More” is “more” than enough,” considering how bad it is, compared to anything from “Error.” That album was strong as hell front-to-back.
The full versions of More and Evolve are on UA-cam and are perhaps the best live versions so far. The Warning perhaps got the most attention for their pink carpet appearance, which was indeed stunning.
Please don’t stop watching vmas no matter how bad it is for a couple of years now I’ll still listen to your takes. Who knows a new artist might make the next upcoming vmas entertaining and you guys might miss out on it 😅
Back in 2020, Miracle of Sound (an indie artist that does amazing rock songs mostly inspired by video games) did monthly tweets of We Didn't Start the Fire verses of everything that was happening. I wish he had done a recording of it.
the VMA transitions between performances was a bit funky, like they would go from sugar pop to hardcore rap and it would give a shitton of whiplash
It's a fan voted award and Taylor's fans voted for her so she won. I have a feeling she's going to be getting more awards when the Grammys and the AMAs roll around.
I think the only fan-vote award she didn't win was Song of the Summer and that's solely because it was the meh Karma remix up against a BTS member
And here I was still expecting an Eurovision episode
So glad the VMAs are giving attention to obscure under-appreciated musicians like Taylor Swift.
I love how Todd can smell an industry plant from a mile away, Anitta (and Ice Spice) don't really have anything to offer talent wise but they sure seem to know how to make connections.....
(I say this as a Brazilian)
You're the first person I heard that consider Anitta an industry plant. That's a new perspective for me. Seems like a lot of people liked her music
@@JoyEmpress I'm just going to say something that's really telling: The song she won an award for at this VMAs wasn't a real hit not even in Brazil :)
I regularly listen to Song Vs Song and have been wondering if “Baby One More Time” vs “Genie In A Bottle” will be a future episode.
I would love that episode but let’s be real baby one more time would crush in the poll. But I would still definitely listen lol
@@meganperry9949 I just wanna listen to Todd and friends' thoughts on both songs as well as past and present experiences with both ladies. I also wonder about an episode on "Stronger" vs "Fighter" or "Sometimes" vs "What A Girl Wants".
Taylor keeps wining because her fans make it happen. That's all.
Or because she’s a fucking great songwriter? What is wrong with peoples’ brains that they don’t recognize that?
by 'fans', I think you mean bots. Something she's been busted for on twitter countless times.
@@GetBenched2010 she literally wins Grammy after Grammy, which is not a fan voted award. She has 2 of the best selling tours of all time. (Actual) critics praise her songwriting. How are you all this fucking stupid?
One thing I never get tired of is non-Kpop ppl confused by the size of kpop groups. Always funny
Edit: The MAMA award for Best New Female Artist went to a girl group with 16 members. They're not even done with the members. There's supposed to be 24
"Beavis, I'm going to leave you to your seven or eight or fifteen boy band guys"
taylor swift's music is fine, even really good as far as pop music goes. but this whole taylor swift phenomenon is so odd. I feel like there's this mass desire or even FOMO desire to be part of it (e.g. fans) and/or benefit from it (e.g. media), which is driving this phenomenon so much more than the music
I do too. I’ve never been a Swiftie, but I feel like I hit Eras Tour fatigue in like April. It’s now September and we still have so much of it (Including the movie) to go.
Here Taylor, here’s your gold star for going on stage, performing, and recycling your old stuff. Come back when you have new stuff and we’ll talk then.
That's always been the case when a musician gets big enough. If you're the biggest artist in the world, some of your fan base is going to be just because you're the biggest artist in the world. It's been true for The Beatles, Madonna, Kanye, and any other artist that could be called a phenomenon.
Last (white wo)man standing, it also doesn't help that every person who has to write for a living or people write about for living is a swiftie, a parent of one, or at least knows one personally.
It's been driving me up a wall for months. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills while everyone's maintaining this facade that the unseasoned chicken of music is secretly the greatest musical act since The Beatles. I'll be in class, hear some incredibly boring Swift song with absolutely nothing interesting on production, and then I'll hear people saying they love it. I feel like I'm losing my mind hearing endless praise for music that makes me want to hook a car battery to my balls so I can feel anything
@@andysorensen1737yep, the movie, the album, the tour, and the many Taylor Swift halloween outfits. Mind you, this is literally just October.
41:29 "god, how do any of them get paid?" well. if the long and rich history of SM entertainment getting sued by their artists is anything to go by,,,,, not very fairly
Every year the VMAs happen I constantly feel like that clip of Lady Gaga saying “you guys are still here?”
Honestly the weirdest thing about learning Todd has a podcast is learning its not called the Todcast
just at the start - thank you for your service. I will never watch any of these shows but I very much enjoy hearing you talk about it, it's definitely a favourite of mine
Well it's been ten years that I stop watching VMA and when I heard about this podcast being posted, I dropped everything and decided to listen about this and I feel like I missed nothing from watching VMA and I made the right decision in quitting this show. Anyway great podcast folks keep up the good work.
Two points:
1. As far as country artists performing at the VMAs, Kacey Musgraves performed at the VMAs in 2021 (and Taylor pre-1989 counts here too, of course).
2. Kelsea Ballerini released an EP, Rolling Up the Welcome Mat, which came out earlier this year (along with a deluxe edition a few weeks ago), that is a LOT more pop than her previous four albums--which is interesting because her most album, last year's Subject to Change, is overall her most overtly country sounding album yet.
i went to the pre-taping of the fall out boy performance and the vibe of the people i went with was “why the fuck didn’t they play their song that was up for an award”. had i known i was going to waste like 8 hours of my day to see that song four times i probably wouldn’t have gone. the redeeming part of the experience was the crowd singing sugar we’re going down and patrick joining in. we also couldn’t parse why patrick and pete had the big suits on. was it a talking heads thing? if so, why???? whatever. i had fun. that song is not good tho
kelsea ballerini was on right after them, she was super cute and charming on stage, and very excited about her quick change, which she had to redo because she tore it off on the wrong word the first time around
To be frank I believe the VMA's are doing Taylor how they did Michael Jackson in the 90s. Michael and the VMA's had a VERY love/hate relationship, so to ensure that Michael would actually show up or even better perform, they would give him whatever award he wanted EVEN if they had to create one just for Michael. I'm starting to feel like that's what's going on with Taylor and the VMA's, kinda how the Grammy's has done Beyonce, with the only difference being Beyonce is more than aware she's just here for face. Taylor as it was said does like the VMA's but I think she's VERY aware that they are giving her all these awards to keep her there. Awards shows has their favorites and they want to make sure those favorites are in the front row.
The interesting thing is I think Taylor has more actual VMAs than Michael does which is also bemusing and somewhat disconcerting.
Mj fans are so annoying bringing him up everywhere.
@@kevaughnramsay9846 They are but the point I'm making is the VMA's will always give out awards to their favorites and the ones they need to fill those seats.
@@jordashiOk
Hearing Todd talk about Peso Pluma and K-pop feels cursed, like I'm trapped in a different timeline
Woaahhh todd likes new jeans?? What a pleasant surprise
Obligatory Trainwreckords request list:
Invincible - Michael Jackson
NKOTB - New Kids on the Block
The Golden Age of Grotesque - Marilyn Manson
Supposed Former Infatuation Junkie - Alanis Morissette
Signs of Life - Billy Squier
Two Hearts - Men At Work
Garth Brooks is…Chris Gaines
The Final Cut - Pink Floyd
Love Beach - Emerson, Lake, and Palmer
Calling All Stations - Genesis
Metal Machine Music - Lou Reed
Lulu - Metallica & Lou Reed
Yes Please - Happy Mondays
Second Coming - The Stone Roses
Results May Vary - Limp Bizkit
Songs of Innocence - U2
Idlewild - OutKast
Revival - Eminem
Man of the Woods - Justin Timberlake
The Big Day - Chance The Rapper
America - 30 Seconds to Mars
Father of All… - Green Day
Head Over Heels - Paula Abdul
Other Voices - The Doors
Nah not invincible it had that monster hit “you rock my world” and it’s still somewhat remembered and loved to this day
Might I also add:
Spirit Indestructible- Nelly Furtado
Bionic- Christina Aguilera
Gaga's ARTPOP, which trolls rechristened as ARTFLOP 😂😅
Honestly it's still surprising that Cruel Summer didn’t reach #2 yet on the Billboard Hot 100. You guys think only a music video could make that a possibility?
I honestly haven’t given it one seconds thought.
If a music video was made now it would be released after the song reached its popularity.
The song got almost ruined for me by the commercial success. Ik it's weird, but I don't like the fact everyone knows it now. It felt like a hidden gem for only Swifites now its everyones.
And now it hit no.1
I was about to type a comment about how shocked I am that Olivia didn’t score a single award but then I remembered that these are fan-voted awards. Now it makes sense; nothing beats the Swifties.
I never watch these shows but always love to hear your episodes on them!
i love how this started out with "we need to seriously start talking about not going this anymore" because. yeah
I cut my cable cord this year so i couldn't watch the VMAs, but that's why we have Todd and Lina and the Song Vs Song podcast's annual review and roasting of the event. Which you two might not like it, but deep down you 2 love to this.
I like the we didn’t start the fire modernisation because I am a long time fall out boy fan and i think it’s cool to see them embrace them being in their post history, id rather they be dorky and embarrassing in a fun way than be what they were during the 2010s
Very true
@@megano2000Eh. I didn’t mind their stuff from the 2010s. I’m still happy as hell I got tickets for one of their shows next year.
Reminder that Todd called FOB assholes for no reason.
@@Saturnthroughstarsoh boo hoo lol
@@EmpireAnts42 Lol ofc you only like trending shit.
THANK YOU TODD!! NewJeans 1000% should’ve been motivated this year. NewJeans don’t just make good music by k-pop standards but good music in general. Like really good music. They should’ve been nominated last year too if we’re bbreally being honest. Their music is just WAYY TOO good to simply ignore.
Fr 😓
And I’ve kinda TRIED to ignore them bc they have a couple songs that are too innuendo filled and flirtatious for a group with such young kids and it makes me UNCOMFY
But man they really groove..
Their songs are SO good that you can’t help but love them.
Correct
Besides the VMAs, this is a rather quiet month for Taylor, compared to October:
- The Continuation of Eras Tour
- The Eras Tour Movie
- 1989 Taylor's Version
- Many, many Swifties' halloween outfits
It truly is just getting started.
Could have SWORN it was The Continuity of Arabs. I need to pay closer attention... Or, just stick to my NINs, Tools, and 90s hip hops.
its the end of the line. All of this has been 'I grew up with Swifty,' none has been what she's doing currently. She's a Vegas act now like Katy Perry and Beyonce.
If she and Travis go on to get married/have a baby, every second of it will be reposted a gazillion times on media. 😅😂
34:56 "Was Ma$e busy?!?"
Yes, he was busy NOT speaking to Puff Daddy because of all the animosity between them regarding royalties. I'm guessing that's why the rest of the Bad Boy Family (edit: who are still alive) didn't make it either.
i truly believe some of the key awards should not be fan-voted bc obviously the artist with the biggest fandom is gonna take it. very boring to see taylor’s least impressive record garner so many accolades.
I dunno. Todd did put Anti Hero as his #1 song last year.
NewJeans songs are so lovely! They have such clear vocals…Todd I can’t believe you love them you always seemed to hate kpop because you never put it on your top ten (maybe NewJeans will feature on your 2023 top ten???)
He put BTS' song "Boy With Luv" on his best list in 2019, but yeah it would be nice to see NewJeans make the list!
I don't think not putting a kpop song in his top 10 songs of the whole year means he hates it. He obviously likes music that doesn't make it into his top 10.
Also, kpop just isn't everyone's taste. It doesn't mean someone hates it if they don't care to listen to it.
The vmas are less relevant than ever
actually they had the best ratings they've had in three years but ok
Word. And it SURE does appear that they've taken to giving people big, special awards and telling them in advance, so they'll show up and maybe get a bump in streams. It's all plastic. Damn near EVERYTHING is, now.
no shit
@@verminlord666 views ≠ relevance
nobody is talking about the VMA's, you don't see people getting pissed at their snubs.
hearing todd speak vaguely about NCT is the crossover i did not expect
Lmao you're right, Anitta does give off the albanian forced pop star vibes
FYI, Anitta is from Brazil.
that's so sad lol, as a brazilian who really wants her to succeed, I personally really like some of her songs in english but yeah she keeps trying to get a hit in the US but it's just not working
@@Aries_Superstar_Army I'm aware of that, I was talking about the people Todd compared her to
she only works singing brazilian funk in portuguese
although i guess not even michael jackson could make this current generic, bland, boring music she's making work lol
Also can't believe they had Timbaland and Nelly Furtado but didn't get them performing the new song... I just miss Nelly though
I feel like what MTV had in the '90s (apart from nostalgia in the present, as others have suggested) is that music videos still had some of their '80s cultural cachet. This isn't to say they aren't still relevant, but compared to back when MTV played music it's not what it used to be.
Also holy shit imagine they _did_ use AI to write parts of it and _this_ was the first media outlet to report on it.
I don’t get why N’SYNC was there. We were ALL expecting them to announce the reunion, but they just awkwardly stood there. Even Taylor gave them a second chance to make the announcement, but they didn’t.
They are getting together for the third Trolls movie. Maybe they weren't allowed to talk about anything because of the strikes
i now unironically want the VMA's to make it a rule that if you don't show up Taylor gets to receive the award, wearing your nametag/an oversized T-shirt with their name on Sharpie
also another year i want Reggaeton to stop trying to happen, that genre peaked at Calle 13 ... (actually for that matter, has anyone found where Bieber is supposed to be during Despacito?
It's literally the Taylor Swift show, but I mean her fans are probably keeping it alive so... Honestly most memorable part of the night for me was Nicki telling everyone to shut the fuck up when she was reading nominees- her energy is just always so weird and aggressive but I can't lie and pretend like it isn't funny to me. I loved Stray Kids, and they're one of the few big kpop acts that actually write and produce their own music, I think their pop is more fun than most the other stuff I heard at the VMA's, I wish they'd got to Item or DLC though I think maybe you guys would have vibed those songs more. Will say that weird song about not being a hoe anymore ?? made me laugh... Not sure about that one. Honestly Anitta was very mid to me and FOB was cringeworthy. The VMA's definitely just feels weird these days, like it's not quite right anymore, I still had fun talking shit while it was on though.
I'm glad Swift is successful, but it's still OK to not like her or her music
Love these episodes!!!
For One Hit Wonderland, how about Michael Franti & Spearhead's "Say Hey (I Love You")? That song was everywhere between 2009 and 2011, from the opening credits of "Valentine's Day" to trailers for "The Backup Plan" and "Grown Ups".
B12? only 12 members?? those are sissy numbers. look up AKB48.
31:00 we listened to it in my 8th grade social studies class and then wrote our own versions - I was proud to rhyme Pokemon with Enron lol
Taylor and I were born two days apart. I’ve been a musician since a pre-teen, and the VMAs were the coolest thing growing up, seeing the event in its heyday as I, and probably she did, made a big impression on me. Honestly I’d have the same energy for it.
Another element in things like Conan doing the show w/o writers in the '07/'08 strike: That was pre- SAG and AFTRA, which resulted in a loophole that allowed for said approach. Since merging in 2012, that loophole no longer exists.
These episodes feel like my reward for doing the homework that is the VMAs
I didn't get why Fall Out Boy didn't play anything from their new album. A medley of Love From The Other Side, Hold Me Like a Grudge and Heartbreak Feels So Good could've been good. Hell, even their iconic older stuff.
Taylor loves the VMAs because the moment she became a national treasure happened at the VMAs.
she went from underdog to high school mean girl in one night and ended Kanye and Beyonce's career in one shot.
She was at the VMA’s to win an award trust me her career was already booming
MTV has lost its own connection to music videos on TV so because of that it seems pointless for them to A. be called Music Television and b. for them to still associate themselves with a music video awards
41:23 that's NCT
Okay. So, I listened to Olivia Rodrigo's song "The Grudge." (I am NOT going to write
the title with no capitalization. I don't think this song is about Taylor Swift. I don't think it is a good idea to look at one lyric and say, "Oh, this song is about Taylor Swift."
Rodrigo has been doing diss tracks for years to be like Aunty Tay Tay. Modern music is shit.
Yesssss, been waiting for this
Fall Out Boy making a great album and then shooting themselves in the foot with their "We Didnt Start the Fire" cover is both sad and amusing.
It's a continuation, not a cover. And their concerts are selling out so I dont know what you mean by saying, "shooting themselves in the foot?"
@@NopeNothanks-zj1yw Yes, I too look at a dog and insist that it is a cat.
@@Saturnthroughstarsyou know a fan ties way too much of their identity to the artists they listen to when they bring up sales and charts
@@goatdeer8403 lmao I upset a Todd fanboy. Todd is a hack, cope.
Dont really watch Vmas, I just listen to music on UA-cam
very fun podcast! also could you pleeeeaaaaseeeeee turn on captions? i need my captions english is not my first language and audio-proccessing issues don't help ^^;
6:43
What did the MTV VMAS have in the 90s that the VMAS don’t have now? That is really easy! My favorite segment in all of VMA’S history, The International Viewers Choice.
1.75 speed is love, 1.75 speed is life
In the past, we had no choice. in the 90s as a teen, we didn't get to just know everything about our signers, they was a mistic about them, and plus, we didn't have the internet to listen to songs wen ever we can. I will always remember Eminem opening the show with "guess who's back?" It was epic
yeah,everybody hate taylor,but cant stop talking her and her music, i love to see hater keep hate her,but cant stop her music and career get better
NewJeans got so snubbed. Insane.
I was glad I skipped something that hasn't been relevant in 20 years once I heard Taylor swept.
I do wonder if airing this awards show was a test to see if they could use ChatGPT/AI to write a show script. If it was, I hope it does prove that writers are truly needed, and writers do deserve fair compensation.
i've been saying this for months or even years, anitta from head to toe is definitely an industry plant. wouldn't surprise me if she becomes really big in five years as other industry plants that people now seen as "iconic or legandary" like drake, cardi b, j-lo and travis scott.
The only reason why I watched the VMAs eas to see The Warning. They actually had a rock band preform, granted it was only a minute but they wete the only thing i enjoyed.
Glad you’re finally warming up to Doja Cat
When she's putting out her worst music ironically
she just had to start acting like a jerk for it to happen lol
@@manuba_😂
Hi, Todd. I enjoy hearing you and Lina talk about the VMA's. It is interesting to hear your thoughts on the performances, particularly because I myself didn't listen to the VMA's.
Also, Todd, there used to be nine members in Stray Kids.
I'd prefer a late eurovision podcast.
Nice to see MTV giving out awards to the people behind all those music videos they play, 24/7! It's a great channel. Wait... What year is this again?
Next year, to celebrate the VMA's 40th anniversary, we're gonna give all the awards to Rob Dyrdek, since he pretty much owns the network now.
@@SaskRider2 You mean the Ow, My Balls...wait, that's idiocracy...Ridiculousness channel?😂
20:15 Todd just randomly mentioning one of my favorite bands caught me so off guard 😳
Okay see I enjoy the kpop that feels like I'm being punched in the face. It gets me hype!
that's why i can't get into american music after listening to kpop. kpop songs seem to focus on impact way more, american pop songs sound like they were made to play repeatedly on the radio at walmart.
Same love being punched in the face by K-pop
MTV does not play music videos anymore so I feel these VMAs are like a Zombie award show. Why is no one in media news talking about how MTV is just a Zombie network. How are they able to get acts to show up?
I'm so tired of Taylor Swift. I'm tired of people loving her. I'm tired of people hating her. I just want some peace and quiet away from her.
No way, you're going to have to live the phenomenon whether you like it or not.
@@caricaturafea453 I refuse.
then suffer ❤️
@@fossilfighters101 I'm going to suffer either way.
@@Jekyllstein_Graygood
Todd, would it suprise you if I said you are the only podcast I listen to? At least regularly
Peter Gabriel's 36 year old record of most VMAs won in a single year (10), is staying intact. You think anybody has a shot at it?
Taylor Amma
I mean, Taylor has said she’s a pathological people pleaser.
I am *really* liking Dove Cameron. And I had no idea until this moment that she was a Disney girlie.
Ah yes, Swift wins best director.....
JUST PULL THE PLUG ALREADY
Todd in the shadows....n the shadows....you know who could be the next one hit wonder? the Rasmus - In the Shadows ... if it was even a thing in America
Taylor has always loved fan voted award shows.
How about a crossover review with Maven of the Eventide on the movie Rockula, which features TWO singers covered on One Hit Wonderland?
12 isn't even a lot for a kpop group. I thought one of super junior or snsd had 13?
glad i'm not the only one who hates fall out boy's cover of billy joel's we didn't start the fire!
i hope it makes it on your worst of 2023 list because i think it's as worse and bottom tier as taylor swift's cover of earth, wind and fire's september, john mayer's cover of tom petty's free fallin and madonna's cover of don mclean's american pie.
I completely understand the cult of Swifties but I also just straight up don’t get it.. What am I missing? Is she an inter-dimensional being that is trying to take over our universe? Because I’m not sure if I’ve seen a popstar with this much of a hold over people (not counting MJ). But I also completely understand MJ’s draw..
Ten albums means a heap of songs, with lyrics that connect with a wide array of people. Top notch production, puts on an amazing show. And she has become the biggest star in the world yet still comes off as somewhat normal, relatable/nice, unlike MJ or Madonna et al. Also she’s a very pretty white woman which also helps.
@@beverleyhicks2952 I totally understand that portion of it, but I guess I find it a little depressing too. My relationship with popstars wavers, and I just find the hero/cult worship of her kinda unsettling. I see Elon Musk the same way, but I’d say his true follower count couldn’t hold a candle to hers.
the thing with Taylor is the “cult following” is really a small percentage of her fans but there’s a lot larger percentage of people who hate her so that small percentage of people who are cultish gets portrayed as the majority instead of what it is
I'm watching this a few months out but you're definitely right about Shakira deserving her flowers now. And it made the rest of the show look terrible to see her give such a great performance. But also, I think you're right about Sabrina Carpenter. She recently got into trouble with the Brooklyn Diocese for filming a video at a church and she reminds me of a young Lady Gaga
It was far from a true “hit,” but Tyler, the Creator’s Wharf Talk was my summer Jame. It feels like summer, y’know?
Aww they didn’t talk about my goat NAV 😢... 🐐