My god Americans can’t seem to stop surprising me of how triggered they are!, - When Hellfire was on its way, says: “I hope it’s the enemy”!!! - Second Hellfire on its way, says: “This buddy’s for ya”!!! - Post-dispatch, says: “Roger, i was afraid of that i was really afraid of that”!!! Waaaaaaaw
@@TonyEnglandUK Friendly fire incidents happen in every armed force in the history of humanity you need to pull your head out your ass. The US military is literally the backbone of the "Allies" worldwide.
@@TonyEnglandUK it's always Americans because they participate in more active war zones then any other military out there. The chance of failure is higher.
I have always been told the pilot holds absolute authority above JTAC and commander about if to fire or not. If a pilot is unsure or unwilling to fire because of some reason, school nearby, civillians nearby ect Jtac can't make him. Or am I wrong?
Draxelzs I used pilot and gunner iinterchangeably here Anyone that is in control of the weapons and trigger has the authority. For an A-10 it is the pilot for the Apache it is the gunner it really doesn't matter what what I call them. The guy that pulled the trigger and friendly fired should have refused the guy on the ground. It was obvious he was unsure and he allowed himself to be bullied into it by his subordinates.
If you listen carefully is the guy in the back that rushes the guy in the front to engage and destroys those target...You can hear the guy in the front is hesitant...
dangerouswater yeah the heli computer wasnt locking on those vehicles coz im guessing it recognizes them as friendly and then the guy from the back kept on saying engage but he said it wasnt locking on em and back guy is so trigger happy to suggested him switch to reverse color even after that it wasnt locking properly on the second vehicle, what pissed me off the most was after the they destroyed the vehicles the back seat guy still try to kill the soldiers on foot trying to flee
Battuvshin1 no it was a glitch in the AH-64 system. Our helis and jets don’t have that tech that’s why friendly Vic’s wear the orange or red on the hood and roof of the car so Helis and jets can recognize there friendly based off that
easy to say the pilot was trigger happy but chances are he wanted to destroy an enemy before they had a chance to take a shot at them. a hovering helicopter in open desert probably feels very vulnerable to they guys inside it. and after the 1st shot the pilot was in more of a hurry, knowing they had basically exposed themselves to any threats in the area.
I loved it. Let you feel how to get died in unbalanced combat. The Iraqi army had no air support to let your troopers taste the coward attack from apove.. That was very satisfeing to watch for me. Hehehe
Here's a simple idea. You got two vehicles you can't identify. Get ground control to radio the friendly vehicles, ask somebody to get out and wave! Job done.
+William Selbach Vehicle ID is part of every pilot's training, be they Chinook or Apache or UAV. That won't save anyone from anyone who was poorly trained, or from outdated FLIR like we see here.
+RLtW88 Yeah sometimes people forget how old this tech is. This FLIR looks barely good enough to point out that something hot is in the desert and not much more than that.
I like how that dude said that technology will never prevent friendly fire. Yet, our technology tried everything to stop it. Technology cant fix stupidity i suppose.
@@authoritytrafficclub8321 You must not have listened to the contact that the AH-64 had with the controllers I don't see how you can comment on shit U know shit about. ?
@@ChefofWar33 You didnt understand that the Helo's were blown off the course of the given position on the grid did U ?,,Don't second guess,,,the Pilot soul was torn out,,U dickhead
Gappie Al Kebabi ffs never mind. You got me. Your channel is lit brah. Btw do you know where I can find a piece of gekumes foreskin? Heard if you grind it up and snort it you see X himself.
Now the Apache uses new navigation tech. An actual moving map so they know exactly where they are. The early models didn't have that and situational awareness was degraded. After this incident he spent every penny he had to develop an identification system for combat and the Pentagon refused to address it. The Brits, French and USA ect have to this day not agreed on a system. Something as cheap as a $50 IR panel could have prevented this. Hell, the missiles they fired cost $34k each at that time.
@@elvoandro7087 Thats exactly what happened in 2003 Iraq, they used bright orange panels to identify friendlies. It didn't take long for the Iraqis to figure out what they orange tarps and panels were for and use them.
This was my Unit in the Gulfwar, 1991. HHC 1st Battalion, 41st Infantry, 2nd Armored Division (Forward) out of Garlstedt, Germany. This cut us deeply to the heart because it was friendly fire. It hurt us deeply and still does today.
I was in C 2/5 Cav 1CD. We were on the flank and could not ID the vehicles and had orders to observe and report. I listened to the radio traffic during the engagement then later watched secondary explosions from the burning vehicles when I relieved our gunner while he slept. Chilling to see it from this perspective. It is interesting know the unit involved. I think of this event all the time... It hurts deeply here too.
imperial stormtroopers got trigger happy. Invaded Afghanistan and after killing about 80k combatants, who knows how many civilians, the empire went broke. There might be a nuremberg tribunal coming up soon. Might right does not make. All the hubris comes to an end. You people worry about a few grunts dead, 500k children dead by sanctions ? Not. Imperialist mindset, us superior vs inferior. Not unlike nazis. They considered easterners like Slavs inferior, to exterminate by work, to keep some for slave slabour.
It's crazy how the mentality changes. If it's the enemy it's fine, you can rationalize it in your mind that you are doing the right thing - even laughing about blowing them up and killing them. As soon as it's known that it isn't the enemy, they suddenly humanise the victim and feel the range of emotions you would feel for killing a friendly: remorse, regret, sadness.
That is because the military and political process (and these might be harsh words, but in a sense it is true) "brainwashes" us into demonizing the other side as something that is out to kill you, where you have no choice but to act. While the science of psychology shows us the opposite is true: The vast majority of humans have the same needs, same fears and same prejudices. Only a really small percentage of any human population is inherently evil. The others are not evil, but are mainly just acting out of an externally induced belief system. Which basically means: If I can successfully make you believe that I am evil and that I will kill you, you will shut down the part of your brain that reflects upon this. Because from a biological evolution perspective, the risk you would take ignoring me as a threat is too high and an error in judgement might cost you your life. Basically your brain will enter "better safe than sorry" mode. It is very easy to abuse, and it is how entire nation's populations can be made ready to kill. E.g. see Germany in WW2.
So... As you're engaging the "enemy" it's all "Boom! hahahaha those targets are dead!", and as soon as you realise it's "friendly" it's all "I just killed a bunch of people, you know...?"
Wars wouldn't exist if soldiers stopped to question the meaning of life every time they killed someone. Every single war and every single battle through out history have that one thing in common: The dehumanization of your enemy.
TheKittenish exactly because if you saw that target at "Just a person" you would have a very hard time pulling the trigger unless you have major mental issues and don't give two shits.
Mike Dronslu I understand. (This is why I so much disgust governmental/social brainwashing as to make soldiers pose like heroes), But it's just the contrast I found interesting. Sure, the fact you call "it" a "target", but it's interesting how he changes his mind after a matter of seconds and realises it's a human he has killed. Heh. What brainwashing does to people.
We lost two warriors (fusiliers) to friendly American fire in 1991 too. 7 guys I think it was. Happened almost exactly the same as this. First warrior went up and a couple jumped out the second to assist. As they got to the first one the second they just got out of was hit. One of the guys that got out the second warrior was a good friend of mine Dave Evans. He died of cancer last Christmas. Said the sight was horrific. I was out there though not in that battalion. Neither Dave nor I nor anyone I spoke to who was out there blamed the Americans for it. They thought they were helping us and we've heard the voice recording, they were devastated when they found out what they'd done. Mistakes happen.
This was the platoon I served in. I joined HHC 1/41 Scout plt. To fill a seat. Respect's to all who we've lost. We also had 6 other friendly fires from the same post. Total 8, all friendly fire. Cheers & respect to UK. God Bless America. Scouts out!
"I just killed some people here." The fact that seemingly no amount of training or drilling can override the humans ability to feel guilty of killing another is a powerful thing.
@@razmuzen1090 I understand. I think that the looming darkness in the room is he refferences friendly fire casualties as people which implies the enemy are not human. Dehumanizing them. Now I know that's his job and that's how it is but damn that's a dark sub plot.
You must not know why the US was invading Iraq then... no need to feel guilty against these bastards. The friendlies on the other hand, you could feel the guilt.
I like the fact that command makes them stay on station after they've fried their fellow americans. It's like rubbing a puppies face into his own mess after he shit on the rug. LMAO
@@cplpetergriffin1583 then go back to europe with your sickly diseases you incel basement dwelling tard. you know nothing about either of these things, all you know is shitting your bed in your mid-30's and still eating chicken nuggies from mommy. the congo doesn't have big bad whiteys but the army has back country idiots in uniform killing their own. says a whole lot about america in general, to be quite honest.
@@waveofmyfingerandaflickofm3803 That back country idiot got discharged from the army and later set up a company that researched and produced IFF systems that the US army uses today to prevent exactly these kinds of friendly-fire incidents. Says quite a whole lot about America too, dontcha think?
@@mypictureisisorrowproducti3710 what kind of made up, flower power, vanilla horse shit is that? No son. If you are wearing my colors you are not an enemy. If you are wearing the colors of an ally you are not an enemy. If you are a threat to me or my people you are an enemy, and enemy=dog-shit This was a tragic accident. He found out they were friendly forces and he cried for them. I do not fault him for not caring before he knew they were friendly
I was there that night and remember it well. I had just left the front lines after dinner to return dinner leftovers back to the cooks when the firing took place. I saw the apaches firing their missile and then an explosion. The next evening my job given to me by our First Sergeant was to transport the bodies to the proper authorities.
+PrinceSoviet When I arrived on scene the bodies were already in the body bags. I was told if I wanted to open the bags up to look, I declined. From what I was told, they had to pick up bits and pieces of the two soldiers, or at least what they could find. By the time we arrived to the area where we thought we needed to be to drop them off it was pitch black for it was about 10pm. There was no moon out and from what I can recall, no stars so it had to be overcast. You literally couldn't see your hand in front of your face. Anyway, I was left to remain with the deceased while the other two soldiers went to find out who was taking them from us. They seemed to be gone for quite some time because my mind started playing tricks on me and I started to imagine voices coming from the body bags as the two soldiers were scratching to get out. At that moment the two arrived back to the truck and scared the crap out of me because I didn't see or hear them approach. After that I don't remember anything else about that night.
DANK MEMES it was a computer system glitch it doesn’t mean it was a friendly Vic they didn’t have that tech and we still don’t we use orange on top of our Vic’s in Afghanistan and Iraqi for a reason it tells Ariel Vic’s if they are friendly it was a simple mistake that happens War is chaos
@@TheMyth1312 Orange on top? Ohh.. right, like those American A-10 Pilots fired at because "there's not supposed to be any friendlies in that area." While the troops are screaming for you to stop on the frequency you switched from. Nice. As well as he said "We're in jail dude" to the second A-10 who told him to wait. Easy fix. If you don't have confirmation or your computer is telling you NOT to fire on them. Don't fire a few 30mm depleted uranium at then for fuck sake.
"I hope that's enemy" why the fuck would you fire if there was any uncertainity? They werent even moving or shooting at anything. Literally could have flown in closer for a better look.
The gunner fires under order of the pilot. It is the responsibility of the pilot to determine the friend or foe status of the target. As gunner, he relies on the knowledge and experience of the pilot.
Like the others have said, not the gunners fault at all. But he has to live with that shit for the rest of his life because the pilot and dude on the ground had their heads up their asses.
You really don't want your air support saying "I hope it's enemy" before launching 2 Hellfire missiles and firing 30mm guns... at targets within a mile of your main firing line...
Having served in Afghanistan in 2006 and again in 2009, I really really feel for these guys. He tried to confirm proper target ID a few times, expressed concerns, and was wrecked over it after...sad for all involved, especially the 2 KIA. Shame =(
Lmao. I love how you have to throw in a "I was there" quote like an NCO's overweight spouse who's never been shot at but her husband served so she can relate to the situation.
"I just killed a bunch of people" That made me cringe hard. I understand what the pilot must have felt, but i can't understand the low level of respect for human life when it comes to afghan or iraqi personnel.
Ollervo100, this is war zone kid, no love or gay feeling in here. They made mistake but that was what they were trained for, there is no soldier enjoying killing innocent people or friendly people
Love how people view footage of war from the comfort of their home (protected by a military), and are surprised by its cruelty. Like they expect something else. It just shows you how sheltered and decadent people have become.
lmao what protection are you talking about?? Those farmers in afganistan or iraq can't do any shit. Why to mess with matter of those??oh i forgot they got oil and dank weed
Ralph Hayles has been working on a technology that ground soldiers that can wear that will distinguish them from the enemy on a FLIR camera. Its like a transponder. I cant imagine how that guy felt about this, so awful. At least now he is working to stop something like this from happening again.
I've always noticed that infrared LED lights shine brightly on cameras and FLIR, including CCTV cameras, but are invisible to the naked eye. Maybe something with IR LEDs on a uniform/vehicle would work.
That is a really good idea, as I have noticed the same....however even old school NVG's have infrared capability and would allow the enemy to see....maybe some modification of color on your idea would work. Interesting.
Luke, yeah I have often wondered how the guy felt. Hillman had to adopt a position similar to Hal Moore at Ia Drang, encourage the man and continue the mission because we needed the air asset. Still sad. I knew one of those boys well.
gatorhunter1 We have IR patches sewn into our uniforms, as well as IR nametapes, flags and other devices used for this sort of thing. We also have other technology to ID friendlies.
Especially when the US is involved. They did it in both Persian Gulf wars with British troops, resulting in a number of dead and wounded. Too trigger happy, too lazy to confirm targets
8:09 honestly no, in this situation these Apaches were not "doing their best". They had so many ques to hold fire on those friendlies but they let their hunger for targets get the better of them.
That was my second cousins tank that was blown up he was only 18 never got to meet him but the story's I've heard about him a phenomenal. Will meet you soon man. Much respect
I hear you brother, hurts till this day. I was an FO underneath the Apache that night. I tried to stop it. I knew the pilot was facing the wrong direction. I failed. I live with that every day.
@@indigofromcounterstrike5679 Task Force 1-41 Infantry was a U.S. Army heavy battalion task force which took part in the Gulf War of January - March 1991. Task Force 1-41 Infantry was the first coalition force to breach the Saudi Arabian border on 15 February 1991 and conduct ground combat operations in Iraq engaging in direct and indirect fire fights with the enemy on 17 February 1991.[1] It was the spearhead of VII Corps.[2] It consisted primarily of the 1st Battalion, 41st Infantry Regiment, 3rd Battalion, 66th Armor Regiment, and the 4th Battalion, 3rd Field Artillery Regiment all being part of the 2nd Armored Division (Forward)
@@murphym3755 "i hope its enemy" shouldnt be words that ever come out of your mouth before pulling the trigger on anything much less a hellfire missile. I was a little angry hearing that and seeing Americans die because of it yes.
its not true that Haley "does not care", he began developing a system for PID'ing friendlies in the field, and Congress has picked it up. Also see a shrink for being a liar www.mysanantonio.com/news/military/article/Deaths-drive-ex-pilot-to-find-solution-704142.php
It's not that he didn't care. He knew a mistake was made, but he couldn't let his troops fall apart. In the documentary Restrepo, British troops had taken friendly fire, and thier commander even says someting to the effect of " it happens, boys, but you keep moving." Basically you cant let them break down, and become ineffective. Keep them focused, then at a later time, they can deal with it thier way, but while in the field, thier mind needs to be in the field.
@@animationcycles7109 fuck off, clearly it's excuse to what just happened. They acted like they couldn't avoid it. Even though they had every opportunity of reevaluating the situation. Their just lazy and just didn't care, and stating multiple times theses might be Friendly's. So shut up about the fog of war when obviously they've had all the time in world at that second to think.
rest in peace brave soldiers. really hurt to watch they blow up the friendlies. Hope the US now have much more improved technologies to avoid such tragedies. Deepest condolences from Sri Lanka :(
my husband was in this attack he made it out his friends didn't so no one should say a fucking word unless you know what these men have been through no one knows what happen that night so have some respect for the men and women who serve our country
That's why you don't celebrate after each kill. You are supposedly there to uphold freedom. Not having fun terminating other humans. I think this might have been a case of instant karma for these young pilots.
+Christian Roque freedom? C'mon, be sincere with yourself. Do you really think the US would have given a fuck about a tiny portion of desert called Kuwait if it wasn´t filthy rich in oil (8% of world reserves)?
I think the shameful thing for the pilot is that he failed to do one of the most basic and important things a pilot can do - navigate his aircraft, taking wind conditions into account. A military pilot, so unaware of his position that he kills friendlies despite some rather large clues from his automation - that’s gonna be hard for him to let go.
The Gulf War used a LOT of new technologies, and, combined with the fact that coalition forces were advancing rapidly, it's not surprising that there were many friendly-fire incidents. But, as with all wars with new technology, the mistakes were analyzed heavily (to the point where videos like this were actually declassified), and we've made amazing strides since. Friendlies now have tons of IFF capability that they didn't have then. I also feel compelled to point out how right that historian was; wars are ugly. And friendly-fire incidents will always happen, though hopefully we can make them less common. The problem with all the people here in the comments is that they have never had to fight for anything in their lives, much less go to war. They don't understand that reality isn't black and white. They don't understand or appreciate how complex life is. They want a blue-pilled, sugar-coated story where the good guys win with no casualties or mistakes, and the bad guys lose and are forever condemned. But that's not real life. That is history that is written by the victor. In the US, and in most modern countries, we generally try to emphasize our mistakes (such as making this video public instead of hiding it) to give people just a little bit of perspective, but we're having trouble because the media now only cares about what is "politically correct", instead of what is actually true. They act like anything less than a feel-good, casualty free victory makes us evil. As if they expect soldiers to be gods, and be infallible. We need more videos like these being made. Ones that criticize constructively, but don't condemn. Ones that look at the whole picture and say "there was no bad guy here. Just good guys and regular guys that made grave mistakes." This is important, because every human being on the planet thinks they're right. People don't go to war just to be miserable; they do it because they believe it's right. But in all parts of life, no matter how righteous we think we are being, we CAN still cause harm, and we need to address that. No matter how good your intentions, you can make mistakes, and you must own up to them so that you can learn from them.
Violent death, and death in general is where near worth this slave society. You’re time is more valuable than working more than half your life for materialism.
a lil communication goes a long way. Ur just making excuses lmao. Yes friendly fire isn’t entirely uncommon but its pretty terrible killing your own and trying to justify it.
Gregory Ashton I doubt you would be able to tell the difference between Iraqi and US forces while using IR, while under pressure, and while flying through a sandstorm.
@@murphym3755 how about mis reporting their location.. they thought they were ahead of the American line, when they were inside it.... this incident was on the pilot.. he wasn't stressed, he jumped the gun. Not saying he's a murderer or whatever.. but he's at serious error. I know this because I'm a student surgeon.. and when you have more questions than answers.. yeah, don't make life or death decisions there and then.
This is heartbreaking there's so many levels of destruction with war especially on an individual emotional level that guys never going to forgive himself that one incident has just affected multiple people's life in a devastating way and it's never gonna go away war is hell
This such a interesting video, Basically a helicopter unit commander decides to fly as the gunner for his first legit kills, hoping to notch his belt, which is understandable, he has been training for this moment forever, his men would have encouraged him to go and get that kill, with the intention of lots of high 5s and bud lights, maybe a couple of combat decoration , but it all went sour.
I was also in HHC 1/41 INFANTRY (S-3)....I was in the TOC standing 10 feet from the radios and heard all of the radio chatter in real time. God bless the 1/41 KIAs
He handled himself better than most would have. I probably would have threw up upon hearing it was friendlies. And it was heartbreaking to hear the other pilot have to bring him back to focus
I remember seeing this when it first happened and it's easy to be an armchair warrior but even I could tell that thru the IR image that one vehicle was a Bradley but there was NO mistaking the second vehicle as an M-113 Command Carrier.
Notice the difference; shouts of joy as long as they thought they'd kill enemys and devastation («... I killed people, I wanna go home») when it became clear that they shot theirs.
Hi Jerry, I remember you. I was Major Hulse's HMMWV driver in S-3 until we went to ODS and then I was made a part of a permanent Security Detail for the BN LNO Captain Howard (Former Scout PLT CDR) and I worked in the TOC when I was not otherwise occupied. I also drove the NBC Deuce some after PFC Fleehr ran over Lt. Shidlovski. Guess I was a roving PFC. I knew my fellow Kentuckian CPT Randolph well. Joyce Middleton understands how we all feel about her son Jeff. Straight and Stalwart!
Andrew i feel like they absolutely do deserve punishment, but i entirely agree. This would destroy someones life forever. I feel horrible for what happened here
@@stevehay964 yeah theyre full of hate crimes, like the time they beat up a homeless woman, or the time they beat up an 81 year old men or the time they burned the streets down and broke windows, and flipped cars over and burned them....oh wait that was actually the democraps, antifa and libtards.......
They kind of had it already, the Apache refused to target the vehicles, it should have been enough of a hint. I think now they have better systems to prevent such things but if the one in command want to be an idiot and refuse to trust what his computer is saying... what can you do.
These are not terrorists they were fighting. This is the Gulf War. They were fighting a professional standing army. What was their excuse back then for dehumanizing their enemies? Same attitude was shown in the video clips for A10 Warthog friendly fire incident in Iraq War, yet again against a professional army. If they were not so gung-ho about killing people for adventure then maybe they would take more time to verify friendly from foes and these kind of accidents could have been avoided. They were not even willing to let go of two injured combatants. Thankfully their guns jammed.
Dehumanizing has nothing to do with terrorism alone, it's part of how every military trains their soldiers. When you go to shooting range, you're taught to engage targets when you see one without thinking too much of it. You don't see any reference to humans at all, everything is just described as targets. Terrorism, brutal regime and so on are just one way to dehumanize the enemy some more if some soldiers feel hesitant to engage.
I feel sorry for the man who killed them, and even more so for those who were killed. No one is to blame, as there are to many mistakes among the ranks.
He feels "ruined" because he "just killed a bunch of people", "US people". Does that meen that he felt alright when killing non-americans? Are Iraqis people? I don't feel that sorry for him.
Kat Tsun Are you talking about Bush or Saddam? Because Iraq is far less colonial, expansionist, and genocidal than the United States. Ever read a history book or are you just reciting what you saw from the television media?
Jononutoob In the case of 91, it was Saddam. He invaded Kuwait by force and declared it part of Iraq. Westerners were taken hostage as human shields, with children being paraded on TV with Saddam. There were fears they would continue south into Saudi Arabia (and they did eventually, albeit briefly, capture a Saudi town) Now that's not defending what happened in 2003, but please note that in 1991, the war ended when the mission was achieved, ie, the liberation of Kuwait. Also remember that 1991 was far more of a coalition effort. Saudi Arabia played a major part in contributing actual military force, as did Kuwaiti soldiers who had managed to escape their home. It was ultimately the Arab nations that went into Kuwait first and officially liberated it.
Talley slept next to me for weeks before this. The BC slept across from me. The Gunner came with the track from the port. I didn't know about this until a year after operations. Rest easy, Pfc. Talley.
I have seen plenty of Gulf war footage, but this is the first time I am seeing this. From what I understand, the tech and the protocols are much better nowadays and could better prevent these things from happening.
Technology will never solve it........ TECHNOLOGY tried to warn him twice that it was not the right target...
What-ever mister internet. I'm sure you know your shit when it comes to military software.
Conex Xenon that was god
Lol until you're a Apache pilot in combat for days getting no sleep because of the crazy shit you know your doing in the morning i wouldn't talk shit.
My god Americans can’t seem to stop surprising me of how triggered they are!,
- When Hellfire was on its way, says: “I hope it’s the enemy”!!!
- Second Hellfire on its way, says: “This buddy’s for ya”!!!
- Post-dispatch, says: “Roger, i was afraid of that i was really afraid of that”!!! Waaaaaaaw
Do they use ir strobes yet? To identify themselves
The only thing more accurate than incoming enemy fire is incoming friendly fire.
And just as deadly.
Ignore this. It was unnecessary and I edited it.
@@TonyEnglandUK Friendly fire incidents happen in every armed force in the history of humanity you need to pull your head out your ass. The US military is literally the backbone of the "Allies" worldwide.
That’s a horrible compliment. lol
@@TonyEnglandUK it's always Americans because they participate in more active war zones then any other military out there. The chance of failure is higher.
Damn, it’s like the Apache was telling them “no goddammit no!” each time they tried. Sad incident.
Happy incident
@@gghjhjjj5182 sand person trash
@G E T R E K T why ?
@shn402 maybe karma is a thing.
"Friendly fire will not be tolerated."
dennyfrontier good one
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Woah, your shooting at our guys over here
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not even funny if this happened to your family or?
c'mon don't make too much of a deal out of it, it's just a joke
@@MegaDudu1985 like he said, what if it was your family?
I mean ill laugh if that ever happened to your family😂
@@NahBruh1232 how can u comment attack him for saying such a joke and than say that?
"I hope it's enemy". Uh....what? Why the fuck would you fire like that and not be sure of your target?
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But he was the commanding officer.
Morgan Freeman
Commanding officer for that flight.
I have always been told the pilot holds absolute authority above JTAC and commander about if to fire or not. If a pilot is unsure or unwilling to fire because of some reason, school nearby, civillians nearby ect Jtac can't make him. Or am I wrong?
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That would be correct for single-seated aircraft, but the apache has a pilot and gunner where the gunner is the senior.
Draxelzs I used pilot and gunner iinterchangeably here Anyone that is in control of the weapons and trigger has the authority. For an A-10 it is the pilot for the Apache it is the gunner it really doesn't matter what what I call them.
The guy that pulled the trigger and friendly fired should have refused the guy on the ground. It was obvious he was unsure and he allowed himself to be bullied into it by his subordinates.
If you listen carefully is the guy in the back that rushes the guy in the front to engage and destroys those target...You can hear the guy in the front is hesitant...
dangerouswater yeah the heli computer wasnt locking on those vehicles coz im guessing it recognizes them as friendly and then the guy from the back kept on saying engage but he said it wasnt locking on em and back guy is so trigger happy to suggested him switch to reverse color even after that it wasnt locking properly on the second vehicle, what pissed me off the most was after the they destroyed the vehicles the back seat guy still try to kill the soldiers on foot trying to flee
Battuvshin1 no it was a glitch in the AH-64 system. Our helis and jets don’t have that tech that’s why friendly Vic’s wear the orange or red on the hood and roof of the car so Helis and jets can recognize there friendly based off that
trigger happy
easy to say the pilot was trigger happy but chances are he wanted to destroy an enemy before they had a chance to take a shot at them. a hovering helicopter in open desert probably feels very vulnerable to they guys inside it. and after the 1st shot the pilot was in more of a hurry, knowing they had basically exposed themselves to any threats in the area.
@@TheJuan72 you illegal immigrant! The guy didn't want to shoot he said it multiple times
"Do not fire on the blinking strobes, those are friendlies."
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I can watch this 100 times and it still puts chills up my spine.
I was so fucking mad and sweaty when I saw this,
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War always puts a chill up anybody’s spine no matter who’s getting killed.
goodcat1982 lol
I loved it.
Let you feel how to get died in unbalanced combat.
The Iraqi army had no air support to let your troopers taste the coward attack from apove..
That was very satisfeing to watch for me. Hehehe
Here's a simple idea. You got two vehicles you can't identify. Get ground control to radio the friendly vehicles, ask somebody to get out and wave! Job done.
+William Selbach The major problem is the digital cameras on the Apaches are old hat. Your phone has ridiculously better resolution.
+William Selbach Vehicle ID is part of every pilot's training, be they Chinook or Apache or UAV. That won't save anyone from anyone who was poorly trained, or from outdated FLIR like we see here.
+RLtW88 Yeah sometimes people forget how old this tech is. This FLIR looks barely good enough to point out that something hot is in the desert and not much more than that.
+l3ubba22 I'm 21 and never had that happen I always know where I'm going
Did they not have IR Beacon Flashers, or something they could have done to show that they were friendlies to the pilots?
2 helpless probably injured soldiers running for their lives
" *YOU GOT GUNS?* "
Yep human trash at its max
@TAKYON Yep I see, very low standards of conduct, wouldn't expect anything less from human trash
@@burgundypoint Right, so you would let the enemy regroup because they were fleeing.
@@burgundypoint pussy. this is how war works.
@@burgundypoint the goal of war is to kill the enemy
The Apache really did not want to kill these guys: Computer won't lock target, gun jammed. A shame it's pilots sucked ..
I like how that dude said that technology will never prevent friendly fire. Yet, our technology tried everything to stop it. Technology cant fix stupidity i suppose.
solwen..how the fuck can you with any soul say that ,,you fuck about the pilots....
All they would of had do is ask the ground guys to wave a flair simple. Those unprofessional pilots should dishonorable discharge
@@authoritytrafficclub8321 You must not have listened to the contact that the AH-64 had with the controllers I don't see how you can comment on shit U know shit about. ?
@@ChefofWar33 You didnt understand that the Helo's were blown off the course of the given position on the grid did U ?,,Don't second guess,,,the Pilot soul was torn out,,U dickhead
Thank God that gun jammed.......Jesus.
@Advocatus Diaboli maybe because God respects our free will, this was caused by men, not God
@Advocatus Diaboli probably no
@Gappie Al Kebabi You clearly have no business here. You don't understand war or why it's fought
Gappie Al Kebabi “killing innocent kids” who’s the one who straps bombs to children and tell them to go somewhere to blow up?
Gappie Al Kebabi ffs never mind. You got me. Your channel is lit brah. Btw do you know where I can find a piece of gekumes foreskin? Heard if you grind it up and snort it you see X himself.
Now the Apache uses new navigation tech. An actual moving map so they know exactly where they are. The early models didn't have that and situational awareness was degraded. After this incident he spent every penny he had to develop an identification system for combat and the Pentagon refused to address it. The Brits, French and USA ect have to this day not agreed on a system. Something as cheap as a $50 IR panel could have prevented this. Hell, the missiles they fired cost $34k each at that time.
Isn't a single Hellfire 115k usd? Or were the missiles used in 1991 cheaper?
The older less refined hellfire missiles were cheaper, the earlier versions were $20k in 90's dollars
it gives possibility of enemy mimicking the system that is the big problem
@@elvoandro7087 i doubt any enemy would want to increase the chances of friendly fire by pretending to be their own enemy.
@@elvoandro7087 Thats exactly what happened in 2003 Iraq, they used bright orange panels to identify friendlies. It didn't take long for the Iraqis to figure out what they orange tarps and panels were for and use them.
Can't imagine the guilt that man felt for the rest of his life.
I saw a TV show about this he doesn't feel shit. He's just sitting in some big fancy house and those guys are dead.
Are you kidding? He's alive and livin large.
Such people dont feel guilt during their lifetime, but I bet they do after it
They should be in prison for the rest of their lives!
He died for a lie and with freindly fire🤭Rest In Hell
This was my Unit in the Gulfwar, 1991. HHC 1st Battalion, 41st Infantry, 2nd Armored Division (Forward) out of Garlstedt, Germany. This cut us deeply to the heart because it was friendly fire. It hurt us deeply and still does today.
I was in C 2/5 Cav 1CD. We were on the flank and could not ID the vehicles and had orders to observe and report. I listened to the radio traffic during the engagement then later watched secondary explosions from the burning vehicles when I relieved our gunner while he slept. Chilling to see it from this perspective. It is interesting know the unit involved. I think of this event all the time... It hurts deeply here too.
Lance Sumpter its not your fault that it happen you have nothing to feel guilty just trying to help you
that's what you deserve for invading other countries lol
Did you know David W. Kramer his tank was hit by friendly fire February 27, 1991 he was my cousin 20 years old
@@fluffywarrior2432 We invaded a savage country that was running rampant on taking over the middle east. You are such an ignorant piece of shit.
Rest in peace Brothers (CPL Middleton and PFC Tally) you are remembered this day 26 years ago in that dark windy night. Rest well brothers.
Richard Ziegler Very sad indeed
They rest in the hell now
@@Enes-wj5xq true
imperial stormtroopers got trigger happy. Invaded Afghanistan and after killing about 80k combatants, who knows how many civilians, the empire went broke. There might be a nuremberg tribunal coming up soon. Might right does not make. All the hubris comes to an end. You people worry about a few grunts dead, 500k children dead by sanctions ? Not. Imperialist mindset, us superior vs inferior. Not unlike nazis. They considered easterners like Slavs inferior, to exterminate by work, to keep some for slave slabour.
@Enes-wj5xq nah that would be your family. 😂😂😂
AH-64 Has been kicked from the server.
lolololol arma 3
I can’t even say this shit is funny
Reason:too overpowered
Benny Boy he was actually banned from the game
Next gen MLgamer he was IP banned. Has to buy a whole new computer.
5:03 *fires big ass missile* “Gee I hope that’s the enemy!”
Exactly. Then when told it was friendly said "I was afraid of that" yet he still fired? Disgusting incompetence.
It's crazy how the mentality changes.
If it's the enemy it's fine, you can rationalize it in your mind that you are doing the right thing - even laughing about blowing them up and killing them.
As soon as it's known that it isn't the enemy, they suddenly humanise the victim and feel the range of emotions you would feel for killing a friendly: remorse, regret, sadness.
That is because the military and political process (and these might be harsh words, but in a sense it is true) "brainwashes" us into demonizing the other side as something that is out to kill you, where you have no choice but to act. While the science of psychology shows us the opposite is true: The vast majority of humans have the same needs, same fears and same prejudices. Only a really small percentage of any human population is inherently evil. The others are not evil, but are mainly just acting out of an externally induced belief system. Which basically means: If I can successfully make you believe that I am evil and that I will kill you, you will shut down the part of your brain that reflects upon this. Because from a biological evolution perspective, the risk you would take ignoring me as a threat is too high and an error in judgement might cost you your life. Basically your brain will enter "better safe than sorry" mode. It is very easy to abuse, and it is how entire nation's populations can be made ready to kill. E.g. see Germany in WW2.
It depends on who your fighting terrorists or 18 year Olds who were forced to fight
Yeah, well the thought eventually catches up to them years later.
@@RotartMedia do you rlly think that those Gis killed were forced to fight😂😂
@@RotartMedia There were no terrorists in the first gulf war.
When you, as a gunner, get so much conflicting information, you would guess that you would hold your fire.
So... As you're engaging the "enemy" it's all "Boom! hahahaha those targets are dead!", and as soon as you realise it's "friendly" it's all "I just killed a bunch of people, you know...?"
Wars wouldn't exist if soldiers stopped to question the meaning of life every time they killed someone. Every single war and every single battle through out history have that one thing in common: The dehumanization of your enemy.
TheKittenish exactly because if you saw that target at "Just a person" you would have a very hard time pulling the trigger unless you have major mental issues and don't give two shits.
That was one of the other pilots. Ralph Hayles never laughed about this in the video. He thought they may have been friendlies.
Dehumanization of enemies.
Mike Dronslu I understand. (This is why I so much disgust governmental/social brainwashing as to make soldiers pose like heroes), But it's just the contrast I found interesting. Sure, the fact you call "it" a "target", but it's interesting how he changes his mind after a matter of seconds and realises it's a human he has killed. Heh. What brainwashing does to people.
We lost two warriors (fusiliers) to friendly American fire in 1991 too. 7 guys I think it was. Happened almost exactly the same as this. First warrior went up and a couple jumped out the second to assist. As they got to the first one the second they just got out of was hit.
One of the guys that got out the second warrior was a good friend of mine Dave Evans. He died of cancer last Christmas. Said the sight was horrific.
I was out there though not in that battalion.
Neither Dave nor I nor anyone I spoke to who was out there blamed the Americans for it. They thought they were helping us and we've heard the voice recording, they were devastated when they found out what they'd done.
Mistakes happen.
This was the platoon I served in. I joined HHC 1/41 Scout plt. To fill a seat. Respect's to all who we've lost. We also had 6 other friendly fires from the same post. Total 8, all friendly fire.
Cheers & respect to UK.
God Bless America.
Scouts out!
One of them was from Coventry, Lee Thompson I think. I was at IJLB at Shorncliffe in 1981.
His pilot (back seat) goaded him into it.
nobody likes a backseat driver!
Advocatus Diaboli he was goaded, if he wasn’t goaded in the first place, it might not have happened
The worst part is the guy at the ending requesting to return to base and them acting like nothing happened. That guy was feeling so guilty .
"This bud's for you"
The Duke
It shouldn’t be funny but I laugh reading the comment section 👀
"do em"
This bud's for you
Me: Fuck you
Brillion and sadistic
It was indeed for them
"I just killed some people here."
The fact that seemingly no amount of training or drilling can override the humans ability to feel guilty of killing another is a powerful thing.
The gunner most likely was commanded by the pilot. It probably wasn't his choice just like that.
@@razmuzen1090 I understand. I think that the looming darkness in the room is he refferences friendly fire casualties as people which implies the enemy are not human. Dehumanizing them. Now I know that's his job and that's how it is but damn that's a dark sub plot.
Weird he only feels guilty that it was the wrong ones.
You must not know why the US was invading Iraq then... no need to feel guilty against these bastards. The friendlies on the other hand, you could feel the guilt.
@@dankengine5304 Honestly most of Saddam's soldiers were conscripts that had no choice either. The whole situation was awful.
"Hooee, did we just hit those targets." You sure did buddy.
I like the fact that command makes them stay on station after they've fried their fellow americans. It's like rubbing a puppies face into his own mess after he shit on the rug. LMAO
Yeah unlike American police. Capp the black dude and switch off the body cam to have a good laugh eh?
@@HoomerbirdG2 Go back to Africa then. The Congo doesn't have big bad white police officers
Yeah everybody go home. No more war today one of ours got hurt. Hope the enemy agrees.
Idiot lol
@@cplpetergriffin1583 then go back to europe with your sickly diseases you incel basement dwelling tard. you know nothing about either of these things, all you know is shitting your bed in your mid-30's and still eating chicken nuggies from mommy. the congo doesn't have big bad whiteys but the army has back country idiots in uniform killing their own. says a whole lot about america in general, to be quite honest.
@@waveofmyfingerandaflickofm3803 That back country idiot got discharged from the army and later set up a company that researched and produced IFF systems that the US army uses today to prevent exactly these kinds of friendly-fire incidents. Says quite a whole lot about America too, dontcha think?
....not laughing anymore, I guess?!?!?!
"I just killed a bunch of people, you know." -An US soldier upon hearing that he shot actual living people, not enemies.
Positive Mental Attitude so are enemies not actual living people?
Stephen Gregory everyone is an enemy to each other...so....
@@mypictureisisorrowproducti3710 what kind of made up, flower power, vanilla horse shit is that? No son. If you are wearing my colors you are not an enemy. If you are wearing the colors of an ally you are not an enemy. If you are a threat to me or my people you are an enemy, and enemy=dog-shit
This was a tragic accident. He found out they were friendly forces and he cried for them. I do not fault him for not caring before he knew they were friendly
Stephen Gregory blah blah,all non Americans are enemies,get over yourself,a few Americunts die the whole world cries
@@mypictureisisorrowproducti3710 you're full of shit, and I bet your mother is too
I was there that night and remember it well. I had just left the front lines after dinner to return dinner leftovers back to the cooks when the firing took place. I saw the apaches firing their missile and then an explosion. The next evening my job given to me by our First Sergeant was to transport the bodies to the proper authorities.
+John Portela In what condition were the corpses.
+PrinceSoviet When I arrived on scene the bodies were already in the body bags. I was told if I wanted to open the bags up to look, I declined. From what I was told, they had to pick up bits and pieces of the two soldiers, or at least what they could find. By the time we arrived to the area where we thought we needed to be to drop them off it was pitch black for it was about 10pm. There was no moon out and from what I can recall, no stars so it had to be overcast. You literally couldn't see your hand in front of your face. Anyway, I was left to remain with the deceased while the other two soldiers went to find out who was taking them from us. They seemed to be gone for quite some time because my mind started playing tricks on me and I started to imagine voices coming from the body bags as the two soldiers were scratching to get out. At that moment the two arrived back to the truck and scared the crap out of me because I didn't see or hear them approach. After that I don't remember anything else about that night.
John Portela Thanks you for you testimony, it was really interesting, hello from France.
My pleasure.
how is it possible, that 6 soldiers survived this attack?
When you play with attack helicopter in BF4 for the first time
"These things are going to happen" You mean incompetence?
No, it happens in every war, you have no idea how common it actually is
DANK MEMES it was a computer system glitch it doesn’t mean it was a friendly Vic they didn’t have that tech and we still don’t we use orange on top of our Vic’s in Afghanistan and Iraqi for a reason it tells Ariel Vic’s if they are friendly it was a simple mistake that happens War is chaos
It’s not like that until your in that mans shoes you’ll never understand
@@TheMyth1312 Exactly
@@TheMyth1312 Orange on top? Ohh.. right, like those American A-10 Pilots fired at because "there's not supposed to be any friendlies in that area." While the troops are screaming for you to stop on the frequency you switched from. Nice. As well as he said "We're in jail dude" to the second A-10 who told him to wait.
Easy fix. If you don't have confirmation or your computer is telling you NOT to fire on them. Don't fire a few 30mm depleted uranium at then for fuck sake.
"I hope that's enemy"
why the fuck would you fire if there was any uncertainity? They werent even moving or shooting at anything. Literally could have flown in closer for a better look.
The gunner fires under order of the pilot. It is the responsibility of the pilot to determine the friend or foe status of the target. As gunner, he relies on the knowledge and experience of the pilot.
+Patrick DONNELLY thanks
pretty much
He protested multiple times yet the ground commander and pilot kept telling him to do it anyway
Like the others have said, not the gunners fault at all. But he has to live with that shit for the rest of his life because the pilot and dude on the ground had their heads up their asses.
Kicked straight out of the server
You really don't want your air support saying "I hope it's enemy" before launching 2 Hellfire missiles and firing 30mm guns... at targets within a mile of your main firing line...
you mean AFTER firing the missle saying "I hope it's enemy"
when i go hunting i always shoot at things and then as the bullet fly's through the air i think "Hey, i sure hope thats a deer".
he wanted action- he got action....sad
Having served in Afghanistan in 2006 and again in 2009, I really really feel for these guys. He tried to confirm proper target ID a few times, expressed concerns, and was wrecked over it after...sad for all involved, especially the 2 KIA. Shame =(
Lmao. I love how you have to throw in a "I was there" quote like an NCO's overweight spouse who's never been shot at but her husband served so she can relate to the situation.
Thank you for your service, hope you are well today
"I just killed a bunch of people" That made me cringe hard. I understand what the pilot must have felt, but i can't understand the low level of respect for human life when it comes to afghan or iraqi personnel.
Ollervo100, this is war zone kid, no love or gay feeling in here. They made mistake but that was what they were trained for, there is no soldier enjoying killing innocent people or friendly people
professionals dont make mistakes, especially this calibre, utter fucking embarrassment
Love how people view footage of war from the comfort of their home (protected by a military), and are surprised by its cruelty. Like they expect something else. It just shows you how sheltered and decadent people have become.
lmao what protection are you talking about?? Those farmers in afganistan or iraq can't do any shit. Why to mess with matter of those??oh i forgot they got oil and dank weed
in a warzone, its a different story when it comes to thinking of them all as people apart from the people that stand by your self
Ralph Hayles has been working on a technology that ground soldiers that can wear that will distinguish them from the enemy on a FLIR camera. Its like a transponder. I cant imagine how that guy felt about this, so awful. At least now he is working to stop something like this from happening again.
Hooah
I've always noticed that infrared LED lights shine brightly on cameras and FLIR, including CCTV cameras, but are invisible to the naked eye. Maybe something with IR LEDs on a uniform/vehicle would work.
That is a really good idea, as I have noticed the same....however even old school NVG's have infrared capability and would allow the enemy to see....maybe some modification of color on your idea would work. Interesting.
Luke, yeah I have often wondered how the guy felt. Hillman had to adopt a position similar to Hal Moore at Ia Drang, encourage the man and continue the mission because we needed the air asset. Still sad. I knew one of those boys well.
gatorhunter1 We have IR patches sewn into our uniforms, as well as IR nametapes, flags and other devices used for this sort of thing. We also have other technology to ID friendlies.
I feel for all parties involved in that situation, very sad, unfortunately this happens in war.
MilesDei sad truth
Especially when the US is involved. They did it in both Persian Gulf wars with British troops, resulting in a number of dead and wounded. Too trigger happy, too lazy to confirm targets
The thermal sights are crystal clear that this is a Bradley and a 113.. Extremely clear.
8:09 honestly no, in this situation these Apaches were not "doing their best". They had so many ques to hold fire on those friendlies but they let their hunger for targets get the better of them.
Agreed
That was my second cousins tank that was blown up he was only 18 never got to meet him but the story's I've heard about him a phenomenal. Will meet you soon man. Much respect
who was your cousin
bullshit
@@butt5810 My cousin's cousin was in the other tank. He got away with minor injuries but shot a load of people at a concert in Vegas.
donald trump is my dad
Yeah that was us 29 years ago today, task force 1/41
Rest in peace Cpl. Middleton and Pfc. Talley
63 echo
Bravo team 3/66
2AD fwd
I hear you brother, hurts till this day. I was an FO underneath the Apache that night. I tried to stop it. I knew the pilot was facing the wrong direction. I failed. I live with that every day.
Idiots
@@Medicmandown1 wait they are called task force 141
@@indigofromcounterstrike5679 Task Force 1-41 Infantry was a U.S. Army heavy battalion task force which took part in the Gulf War of January - March 1991. Task Force 1-41 Infantry was the first coalition force to breach the Saudi Arabian border on 15 February 1991 and conduct ground combat operations in Iraq engaging in direct and indirect fire fights with the enemy on 17 February 1991.[1] It was the spearhead of VII Corps.[2] It consisted primarily of the 1st Battalion, 41st Infantry Regiment, 3rd Battalion, 66th Armor Regiment, and the 4th Battalion, 3rd Field Artillery Regiment all being part of the 2nd Armored Division (Forward)
@@Medicmandown1 Thanks for the info its cuz all of everyrhing u just said is from COD so i was confused but now i know what they based it off of
Actually feel bad for that pilot he probably will never forget in his lifetime
Ralph Hayles says he isnt haunted by what happened. He doesnt care, he doesnt think its his fault, even though it absolutely is.
Metaphix11b sad to hear
Metaphix11b Yikes, you sound angry!
@@murphym3755 "i hope its enemy" shouldnt be words that ever come out of your mouth before pulling the trigger on anything much less a hellfire missile. I was a little angry hearing that and seeing Americans die because of it yes.
its not true that Haley "does not care", he began developing a system for PID'ing friendlies in the field, and Congress has picked it up.
Also see a shrink for being a liar
www.mysanantonio.com/news/military/article/Deaths-drive-ex-pilot-to-find-solution-704142.php
he dug his grave when he chose to fire that missile despite not knowing what he was shooting at
20 years have passed since that horrible night.
I was at the ALOC.
RIP Brothers, I've been thinking of you all day.
I like how that ground commander was just like “these things will happen, they will happen” like he didn’t even care. Man rip to those men.
It's not that he didn't care. He knew a mistake was made, but he couldn't let his troops fall apart. In the documentary Restrepo, British troops had taken friendly fire, and thier commander even says someting to the effect of " it happens, boys, but you keep moving." Basically you cant let them break down, and become ineffective. Keep them focused, then at a later time, they can deal with it thier way, but while in the field, thier mind needs to be in the field.
@@animationcycles7109 yes and that's why when we return home we would rather put a bullet in our heads.
@@animationcycles7109 fuck off, clearly it's excuse to what just happened. They acted like they couldn't avoid it. Even though they had every opportunity of reevaluating the situation. Their just lazy and just didn't care, and stating multiple times theses might be Friendly's. So shut up about the fog of war when obviously they've had all the time in world at that second to think.
I honestly think he was just trying to console him. He could tell Hayles was about to have a breakdown.
My heart-felt prayers go out to all involved here. Truely, the fog of war has seen that they will never be the same again.
Rest In Peace boys
... and yet Jesus did nothing, again.
7:45 -"Request permssion to break station and go Home"
-"Negative" HAHAHA
rest in peace brave soldiers. really hurt to watch they blow up the friendlies. Hope the US now have much more improved technologies to avoid such tragedies. Deepest condolences from Sri Lanka :(
We have, the guy who was the gunner that night even made his own so that friendly fire incidents become more uncommon.
“I killed some people” whatever the fuck were the Iraqi civilians??
"I was afraid of that".........THEN WHY THE HELL DID YOU SHOOT?
Blue on blue is sometimes unavoidable, this was avoidable. Multiple warnings and clues should have stayed their trigger fingers.
Too trigger happy.
my husband was in this attack he made it out his friends didn't so no one should say a fucking word unless you know what these men have been through no one knows what happen that night so have some respect for the men and women who serve our country
Joleen Knapp Of course we know, we can see and hear the video, plonker!!
Joleen Knapp yeah yeah he's everyones husband on youtube
Lol ur "husband" XD
Hi Jo love u
Your husband is a murderer? 😂
That's why you don't celebrate after each kill. You are supposedly there to uphold freedom. Not having fun terminating other humans. I think this might have been a case of instant karma for these young pilots.
+Christian Roque freedom? C'mon, be sincere with yourself. Do you really think the US would have given a fuck about a tiny portion of desert called Kuwait if it wasn´t filthy rich in oil (8% of world reserves)?
I think the shameful thing for the pilot is that he failed to do one of the most basic and important things a pilot can do - navigate his aircraft, taking wind conditions into account. A military pilot, so unaware of his position that he kills friendlies despite some rather large clues from his automation - that’s gonna be hard for him to let go.
How about failing to follow a clear order during the briefing not to fire a shot during the recon mission?
I thought friendlies had IR strobes on them so pilots could distinguish them during white hot visuals?
I don't think they had those in '91
They told us when we painted our vehicles that the paint in the designs would do that but it was yet another lie.
if i remember correctly, at the time they were only issued to special forces
They told us that the paint we used to paint the vehicles would do this.
Shawn Milam
A lie? So you served a country that lied to you?! How do you feel now knowing that it's not just ONE lie?!
The Gulf War used a LOT of new technologies, and, combined with the fact that coalition forces were advancing rapidly, it's not surprising that there were many friendly-fire incidents. But, as with all wars with new technology, the mistakes were analyzed heavily (to the point where videos like this were actually declassified), and we've made amazing strides since. Friendlies now have tons of IFF capability that they didn't have then.
I also feel compelled to point out how right that historian was; wars are ugly. And friendly-fire incidents will always happen, though hopefully we can make them less common. The problem with all the people here in the comments is that they have never had to fight for anything in their lives, much less go to war. They don't understand that reality isn't black and white. They don't understand or appreciate how complex life is. They want a blue-pilled, sugar-coated story where the good guys win with no casualties or mistakes, and the bad guys lose and are forever condemned. But that's not real life. That is history that is written by the victor. In the US, and in most modern countries, we generally try to emphasize our mistakes (such as making this video public instead of hiding it) to give people just a little bit of perspective, but we're having trouble because the media now only cares about what is "politically correct", instead of what is actually true. They act like anything less than a feel-good, casualty free victory makes us evil. As if they expect soldiers to be gods, and be infallible.
We need more videos like these being made. Ones that criticize constructively, but don't condemn. Ones that look at the whole picture and say "there was no bad guy here. Just good guys and regular guys that made grave mistakes." This is important, because every human being on the planet thinks they're right. People don't go to war just to be miserable; they do it because they believe it's right. But in all parts of life, no matter how righteous we think we are being, we CAN still cause harm, and we need to address that. No matter how good your intentions, you can make mistakes, and you must own up to them so that you can learn from them.
Let's make friendly fire incidents more friendly.
Steve Hay and You dunce didn’t comprehend his comment
Violent death, and death in general is where near worth this slave society. You’re time is more valuable than working more than half your life for materialism.
Very well articulated friend.
a lil communication goes a long way. Ur just making excuses lmao. Yes friendly fire isn’t entirely uncommon but its pretty terrible killing your own and trying to justify it.
Historian says you can't fault them...errr, YES, YES YOU CAN!!!
Gregory Ashton I doubt you would be able to tell the difference between Iraqi and US forces while using IR, while under pressure, and while flying through a sandstorm.
@@murphym3755 how about mis reporting their location.. they thought they were ahead of the American line, when they were inside it.... this incident was on the pilot.. he wasn't stressed, he jumped the gun. Not saying he's a murderer or whatever.. but he's at serious error. I know this because I'm a student surgeon.. and when you have more questions than answers.. yeah, don't make life or death decisions there and then.
Did any ones heart drop when the Apache fired
No I enjoyd it
This is heartbreaking there's so many levels of destruction with war especially on an individual emotional level that guys never going to forgive himself that one incident has just affected multiple people's life in a devastating way and it's never gonna go away war is hell
It's ok to have sympathy for those pilots but ur heart should go to those two soldiers that were killed
This is so disturbing it gives me chills. RIP to those two men and I hope the pilot doesn’t go so hard on himself. That’s very hard to live with
Yes I knew them both in my unit.
It turns out friendly fire isn't friendly at all.
That must feel horrible. Poor guy, and poor victims.
imagine saying "i hope it's enemy" when you already fired the missile
2:07 i can tell thats a bradley
Foreal so can I
I could tell both 🤦♂️
I can tell the other is a M113. The square outline is unique. BTW. I was there that night.
well, its APC! there's a cannon on it!
This such a interesting video, Basically a helicopter unit commander decides to fly as the gunner for his first legit kills, hoping to notch his belt, which is understandable, he has been training for this moment forever, his men would have encouraged him to go and get that kill, with the intention of lots of high 5s and bud lights, maybe a couple of combat decoration , but it all went sour.
Life played a joke on him alright, and its only one laughing now.
I was also in HHC 1/41 INFANTRY (S-3)....I was in the TOC standing 10 feet from the radios and heard all of the radio chatter in real time. God bless the 1/41 KIAs
I was in the S-3 before Alpha...drove HQ-13 HUMMER
He handled himself better than most would have. I probably would have threw up upon hearing it was friendlies. And it was heartbreaking to hear the other pilot have to bring him back to focus
I remember seeing this when it first happened and it's easy to be an armchair warrior but even I could tell that thru the IR image that one vehicle was a Bradley but there was NO mistaking the second vehicle as an M-113 Command Carrier.
Even fate tried stopping them.
5:47 “Woo Wee, did we hit those targets”
Notice the difference; shouts of joy as long as they thought they'd kill enemys and devastation («... I killed people, I wanna go home») when it became clear that they shot theirs.
Sickening to watch... And what a basic navigation error.
Hi Jerry, I remember you. I was Major Hulse's HMMWV driver in
S-3 until we went to ODS and then I was made a part of a permanent Security Detail for the BN LNO Captain Howard (Former Scout PLT CDR) and I worked in the TOC when I was not otherwise occupied. I also drove the NBC Deuce some after PFC Fleehr ran over Lt. Shidlovski. Guess I was a roving PFC. I knew my fellow Kentuckian CPT Randolph well. Joyce Middleton understands how we all feel about her son Jeff. Straight and Stalwart!
yeah man no body wants to kill a friendly man i feel sorry for the gunners and nobody deserves to be locked up for that kind of miscommunication.
Andrew i feel like they absolutely do deserve punishment, but i entirely agree. This would destroy someones life forever. I feel horrible for what happened here
Lots of Americans are not friendly. Look at trump's supporters.
@@stevehay964 yeah theyre full of hate crimes, like the time they beat up a homeless woman, or the time they beat up an 81 year old men or the time they burned the streets down and broke windows, and flipped cars over and burned them....oh wait that was actually the democraps, antifa and libtards.......
me playing dcs world or arma 3. (moments before ban)
5:10 "I hope its enemy" thats disgusting
War sucks That was horrible,God peace out,Nick
Gun jammed. Apache systems not functioning. It's almost like the helicopter was telling them not to engage.
Can you imagine if the vehicles had some sort of electronic identifier visible on the AH 64 HUD?
They kind of had it already, the Apache refused to target the vehicles, it should have been enough of a hint. I think now they have better systems to prevent such things but if the one in command want to be an idiot and refuse to trust what his computer is saying... what can you do.
Didn't refuse, couldn't get a lock.
These are not terrorists they were fighting. This is the Gulf War. They were fighting a professional standing army. What was their excuse back then for dehumanizing their enemies? Same attitude was shown in the video clips for A10 Warthog friendly fire incident in Iraq War, yet again against a professional army. If they were not so gung-ho about killing people for adventure then maybe they would take more time to verify friendly from foes and these kind of accidents could have been avoided. They were not even willing to let go of two injured combatants. Thankfully their guns jammed.
Dehumanizing has nothing to do with terrorism alone, it's part of how every military trains their soldiers. When you go to shooting range, you're taught to engage targets when you see one without thinking too much of it. You don't see any reference to humans at all, everything is just described as targets. Terrorism, brutal regime and so on are just one way to dehumanize the enemy some more if some soldiers feel hesitant to engage.
The gun was jammed that’s what saved those two other men this disgusts me
I would hate to get killed from something 3 miles out u cant even see it
Those Soldiers in the APCs must have been shocked to think Iraqis could strike them so accurately. Must have been a nightmare.
“I hope it’s the enemy”
I feel sorry for the man who killed them, and even more so for those who were killed. No one is to blame, as there are to many mistakes among the ranks.
I bet that apache got kicked out of the server
He feels "ruined" because he "just killed a bunch of people", "US people". Does that meen that he felt alright when killing non-americans? Are Iraqis people? I don't feel that sorry for him.
7:52 "Negative, those things are going to happen" WTFFFFF. No fuking way
23 and 18 years old. These guys were just kids
Damn, he wouldnt have been able to drink in the US but he was able to be deployed, kinda weird.
I knew a total of 14 of them who died during my time in active duty. The oldest was 24. I've already lived at least twice as long as any of them.
It's just crazy what we humans do to follow beings
Yes, it is
technology will solve it...
Dr Stranglove !
Good way to prevent friendly fire is to stop going into undeclared, unconstitutional, and unjust wars.
Yeah, but this was the first gulf war. It was justified.
disinfect777 Why was it justified, in your perspective?
Jononutoob
It's good to know you think aggressive colonial expansionism by a genocidal dictator is a good thing.
Kat Tsun Are you talking about Bush or Saddam? Because Iraq is far less colonial, expansionist, and genocidal than the United States. Ever read a history book or are you just reciting what you saw from the television media?
Jononutoob In the case of 91, it was Saddam. He invaded Kuwait by force and declared it part of Iraq. Westerners were taken hostage as human shields, with children being paraded on TV with Saddam. There were fears they would continue south into Saudi Arabia (and they did eventually, albeit briefly, capture a Saudi town)
Now that's not defending what happened in 2003, but please note that in 1991, the war ended when the mission was achieved, ie, the liberation of Kuwait.
Also remember that 1991 was far more of a coalition effort. Saudi Arabia played a major part in contributing actual military force, as did Kuwaiti soldiers who had managed to escape their home.
It was ultimately the Arab nations that went into Kuwait first and officially liberated it.
Love & respect for Middleton & Talley. Scouts out.
Talley slept next to me for weeks before this.
The BC slept across from me.
The Gunner came with the track from the port.
I didn't know about this until a year after operations.
Rest easy, Pfc. Talley.
I have seen plenty of Gulf war footage, but this is the first time I am seeing this. From what I understand, the tech and the protocols are much better nowadays and could better prevent these things from happening.