The worst part about all of this: Even if Vegeta was defeated, a certain Emperor would be very intrigued by whatever managed to kill his Saiyan soldiers…
@spooderderg4077 Man's went out fighting against a dude who he knew he stood absolutely 0 chance against and was enslaved by for basically his entire life. How is that going out like a bitch? That's like calling some skinny dude who weighs 130 pounds and has the balls to square up with Mike Tyson a bitch when he gets knocked out.
@@Gumbino Frieza still gathered info about the Dragon Balls and Namek from the little info the Saiyans got, if he learned about the Infinity Stones he definitely would change course to get them all. Frieza would see the power they all offer together as something better then Immortality most likely, since he controls elements not even a single Kai or God of Destruction in Dragon Ball could match alone. Time being the first one that comes to mind, since no one but Angels can just reverse time, and theyre shut down once their God of Destruction is killed. Space offers instant transmission across all space essentially. Reality, Soul, and Mind would probably have some crazy uses, but Power would basically make Frieza a God of Destruction by default.
Anybody else remember how effortlessly Nappa turned a city into a glass floor? Or how at that point they could just destroy planets? The MCU avengers are no where near that. By the time Nappa and Vegeta show up, blowing up the moon isn't a big deal.
Master roshi who was in his prime had the max power level of 200 and he destroeyd the moon with a kamehameha wave, even if we highball the avengers they have no chance
@@aintiwrong5201 that was old roshi who had power lvl of 130 hoever as seen with goku (raditz fight) kamehameha can output more than double of your power lvl so roshi might have charged that blast to have power lvl of 300+ but still nappa had power lvl of 4000 and vegeta 18k if sayians showed up on marvel earth that would be one side massacre
Yeah, but DB and DBZ power scaling has always been MASSIVELY inconsistent and it's hard to compare it to anything else. The moon is something like one third of the size of earth and still it requires absurd amounts of force to blow it up like Piccolo and Master Roshi did in the earlier parts of DB/DBZ. They destroy the moon like it's no problem (and as if the moon can just reform without causing any mass scale imbalances on the planet) and then the big Frieza feat was to destroy Namek, Piccolo's home planet at the peak of his power. And he still had to charge his energy for a while to be able to destroy it. Personally, I don't consider any of the moon busting feats cannon at that stage of the series and only when characters reached Frieza/SS1 Goku levels of power can they be said to actually destroy planets or moons. If they did in the past it was just Toriyama being funny.
@@astroman0500 You can't just say something's canon just because you don't agree with it lol. There's ton of statements and feats to prove characters could destroy planets before SS1 and Final Form Freiza appeared.
@@ryleeevans6211yeah ngl, Thanos can only hope the gauntlet wipes out Frieza in the dusting, otherwise Frieza would just 1 shot all of Endgame put together
Thor, Hulk and Captain Marvel can give Vegeta and Nappa a run for their money. Also don't forget Hulk got stronger every time he gets angry. And Thor and Ms Marvel can give Vegeta a problem.
@@kingofdragons2552 What I'm saying is there's no way that Vegeta and Nappa would not win in a fight against Hulk, Thor and Ms Marvel. Especially if we are going with the Saiyan saga version of Vegeta. Vegeta is powerful but there's no way that he is able to beat Hulk. Especially the anger Hulk gets and the stronger he becomes. Especially if Vegeta turns into his giant ape form. Hulk was still wrecked Vegeta. Especially in Thor Ragnarok when Hulk fights the giant Wolf and the giant fire god. So what make you think that hope will not have a problem with Vegeta and his ape form.
Its incredible because even Raditz who is incredibly weak in the DB-verse would be an actual serious and powerfull threat that could easily wipe out most avengers.
@@eyeballtreehouse111yeah only Omega level mutants and above would stand a chance, several Alpha level mutants might be able to bring down Raditz but against Nappa and Vegeta they'd definitely need an Omega at the very least.
and let's not forget that Thor bodied a pulsar from a neutron star which is far more energy than the Sun puts out and that killed Cooler in his final form.
@@Jake-cm9jj If you mean that forge scene, I wouldn't say he bodied that. He was practically dead after. Impressive he lasted a few seconds but it wasn't a breeze for him at all. And I mean Master Roshi and early Piccolo are out here blowing up moons FROM EARTH, not even going up into space for it, That Thor feat isn't looking as unreachable.
Man, the moment it was hinted they’d struggle with Nappa was when I knew they had next to no chance. Vegeta is an absolute menace even in early DBZ and wouldn’t hesitate the nuke the entire battlefield if it meant getting rid of the “weaklings” not worth his time. Those that remain lack the raw power to keep up
@@phloriaernas2149ep. He literally tried to and was only stopped by Goku pushing kaioken beyond it’s safe limits and basically disabling himself afterward . MCU avengers ain’t got a Goku level threat lol
@@phloriaernas2149 I say battlefield because as explained in the video Vegeta and Nappa’s objective requires Earth to remain intact otherwise they risk destroying the Infinity Stones. I’m well aware Vegeta can casually destroy planets, especially if we take the anime incarnation of his character. Honestly, I personally think Nappa by himself is enough to take down the Avengers during End Game. Vegeta is just overkill
@@FemboiMars This is rarely mentioned, but he also tries the same shit again on Namek against Frieza in their duel, but the Emperior stopped the attack and kicked it into outer space.
Yeah the cinematic universe of marval is weak as hell compared to the comics. The comics might kick there ass but the cinematic? They are completely destroyed@@Milkboy14
@@TahaGhavidel-l8e Not even in comics... Yamcha at this stage moves almost light speed, and he is slower than vegeta and nappa... the amount of power in DB is massive, theres no chance to anyone in Marvel to defeat the top 10 characters of the original DB of Toriyama. Maybe Tao Pai Pai, Piccolo Daimao, Little Goku, will be defeateble, but again, you dont have characters that powerfull even in marvel comics.
@@matuvarela3760pretty sure comics avengers are cosmic level or higher at their peak i love db but most of the cast is getting cooked by comics avengers Dont even get me started on DC the powerscaling there is outrageous😂
Remember when Ultron built a doomsday trigger to level an entire city? Nappa did that with just two fingers and he is only a fraction as strong as Vegeta, who can obliterate a planet with similar ease.
@@Lumina-sd1en Welp, i doubt he would still survive if he's the one who's gonna take on his face like a true porno star the Earth Splitting Galick Gun that will destroy the planet 💀
@@charlesloftin8768This version of Hulk and Thor would NEVER. The simple fact that Hulk got OMEGA NERFED becoming a buff Redditor is lame as fuck, he also got beat by Thanos and The Hulk buster, HULK HAS NEVER LOST TO THE HULK BUSTER, you can only contain the Hulk, not beat him. And this version of Thor is probably one of his weakest. Nappa alone could easily beat both.
@@Tivolioooo there’s too many “feats” in both to properly judge power levels. Even kid goku dodging light is ironically super dodgy to assume. The only confirmed technique that goku has that is FTL is instant transmission. Without it then most attacks aren’t faster than light, just faster than the basic human can comprehend. Plus there enough magic as said that could probably take him down
@@theonewhouploadsnothing1704 I understand that these thing are weird, but it is still very explicitly stated that they are moving faster than light. But okay, let's assume they don't. They are still so close to the speed of light that normal people can't see them at all. Raditz is still fast enough to kill all avengers who are not insanely durable in a miniscule fraction of a second. The rest of that second he could use to absolutely pummel the rest. None of them are fast enough to do shit to him. Now, they could beat him if they had prep time AND he doesn't instantly go into killing mode.
4:44 did you forget that a nine times weaker master roshi did actually destroy the moon? There is no way in hell that any avenger can be even close to touching raditz
I really love the idea of someone doing a typical marvel one liner only to immediately lose an arm to nappa. Kinda makes you think about how generous marvel villains can be with not crippling the heroes
Dude it's MCU not Marvel Comics , if it was the Comics Wanda can one shot all of them especially if you pissed her off and their isn't anything they could do about it because they'll be mentally too messed up and physically . And unlike other Alien races saiyans pride typically gets them killed . Bearus or Whis even stated that if the saiyans worked together they'll undoubtedly reach much higher feats but oh well . The Entire Avengers wouldn't be necessary if we're talking about Comic versions since Wanda can kill them .
Lol dbz villains act the same way, frieza tried to flex on goku by using one arm and cell once attaining perfection decided to hold a tournament for fun.
@@joshuaware818bro brought up comic versions of the avengers as if there’s no manga versions of DBZ characters, Vegeta easily stomps strongest comic versions of all of the powerhouses, that includes Iron God, World Breaker Hulk, Rune King Thor, Darkhold Strange and Darkhold Scarlet Witch, all of whom get decimated by Ultra Ego Vegeta who scales far above universal+, and even if all of them worked together somehow beats UE they’re not getting through Xeno Vegeta 😂
I feel like there biggest problem with the Saiyans is that their abilities are super versatile. The avengers can do one or two things really well, but every Saiyan basically has a similar power set to captain marvel, but with the ability to train that power to increase.
@@monkeykingss4luffy786 I haven't seen Goku or other Saiyans do anything 5th dimensional or greater. Unlike their omnipotent one, the Saiyans are just very strong people who can adapt and grow stronger... If Freeza didn't wipe them out. Punching reality and shattering the multiverse isn't that impressive from my perspective. But infinite other characters from fiction can do this already. More so in Marvel Comics...
@@monkeykingss4luffy786 Except Immortality... Goku can still die and it's not like he can defy death when the afterlife isn't necessarily trying to stop him. He just cannot die and return from the spirit realm too often. Otherwise, that would bring his acts of resurrection into question, outside of a wish from the Dragon Balls.
@@codem5285 Is Xeno Goku cannon to the main continuity of Dragon Ball Z? Again... Reality Punching characters are not unique in Marvel Comics. In terms of the shows... I mean the anime, not the manga... And the MCU has always been weaker in comparison to the comics. (Xeno Goku is an alternate timeline of Base Goku, who is nigh omnipotent in power as a fighter, given his battles. DBz Goku (continuity Goku) on the other hand, is not close to Xeno Goku by a long shot.)
Fun fact: Nappa's canon stated powerlevel is 4000 but shown much more closer to Goku's 8000. In both the Manga and Anime Goku dogwalks Nappa until Vegeta tells him to get his head in the game. And once he does he performs much better and even Goku says that the fight could go either way. So Nappa COULD scale higher when he actually locks in
I would love if somebody animated this. It would be so tragic. After all the death and sacrifices it would take to put Nappa down, Vegeta would just casually walk towards them, congratulate them before destroying the planet.
Yeah he completely overlooked that focusing on piccolo and Goku's destruction of the Moon. Dragon Ball Z started off with the roster pretty much at planetary levels. It's actually comical how ridiculously overpowered the cast of that show is in comparison to typical media
@@SkinnyRob basically the 2nd arc, DB are already dealing with moon busters (hell, roshi blowing up the moon can actually be calculated to be planet to large planet level due to how fast and how thorough the destruction is), this kinda outscales most of the series until they hit their late game
@@SkinnyRobThe main problem is, power level/scaling doesn't make any sense in DB. First, let's think about how Krillin and Roshi (Jackie Chun) had a fight so fast, nobody saw it happen and they had to reenact it. Now, this could also have just been a joke to amuse the audiance. However, we also had Goku steal Roshi's sunglasses during Tien's Solar Flare, which we could argue is a light-technique, and therefore, being able to move over to Roshi, steal the glasses, putting them on himself (and I think even returning to his original place) could be considered FTL-combat speed. Now, to the power scaling itself? (Not going to include the DBZ-Movies, as these are not really canon and don't fit in the timeline either) These data should be according to offical sources provided by Toriyama himself: Roshi in his youth: 25 Before Korin Training: 30 After Korin Training: 60 Roshi Prime: 75 Meeting Goku: 50 (also true for 21 Tenkaichi as Jackie Chun) Roshi MAX Power (when he get's all buff): 80 (also true for 21 Tenkaichi as Jackie Chun) Roshi MAX Power Kamehameha: 180 (also true for 21 Tenkaichi as Jackie Chun) Red Ribbon Army Saga: 69 RRAS Max Power: 110 RRAS Max Power Kamehameha: 135 (why weaker as before? Who knows) As Jackie Chun 22. Teknaichi: 139 (he actually trained for that I think) Jackie Chun 22T "serious": 180 Jackie Chun 22T Kamehameha: 220 Roshi "serious" vs King Piccolo: 180 Saiyan Saga: 139 Cell Saga: 690+ Buu Saga: 960 Battle of the Gods: 1.300 Revival of F: 1.350 Tournament of Power: 42.500.000 ToP "serious: 55.000.000 ToP MAX Power: 69.000.000 ToP MAX Power Kamehameha: 139.000.000 ToP Beyond Limits (Kamehameha): 169.000.000 Especially the jump from the start of DBS to the Tournament of Power makes simply no sense, and if he could actually gain so much power in a short time, he should have trained with Korin after learning of King Piccolo coming back and he would have wiped the floor with him.
@@MikaeruDaiTenshiyeah it never made sense why he was able to keep up even in Revival of F because as far as we know he hasn’t done any training since DB
@@QuigleTheGnome Yea, why I prefer DB and DBZ over Super. DBZ already had insane progression and the power levels never really meant anything after Goku became SSJ, maybe even before that. But the later Z and all in Super makes no sense Powerwise.
Vegeta at this arc is just too damn cold, he'd kill them all without a second thought. He isn't like Thanos where he toyed and entertained them. He'd blow the planet up just because. Also factoring in he still works for Freeza at this point. IF they managed to win over the Saiyans, they wouldn't win against THIS purple alien.
Vegeta literally let Nappa toy with the Earthlings in the saiyan saga for shits and giggles when he could've just killed them all on the spot, spending Saibamen they didn't need to spend when Nappa solo-ed them all without much struggle, he also graced them with time until Goku arrived to the scene to fight him himself, he's evil but also very very prideful during this saga, ruthless yes, but he does play with his food if he doesn't feel seriously threatened.
@@danello9091 I have no insight on Vegeta´s ideas on magic, but i think he would panic at what Strange and Scarlet Witch can do and take fastest option. IIRC he made Gohan transform into an ape for shits and giggles (and also to torture Goku a bit) cause he felt confident after wiping the floor with the rest of the Fighters Z, its a tricky scenario...
UNLESS im miss interpreting, you kinda let it as if it wasn't totally sure if Raditz was moon buster level, right? Well theres no doubt he is, in the original db Master Roshi destroy the moon with a Kamehameha to stop Goku Ozaru form, and he was only around 250
@@suigeneris1609 Yeah Roshi is the real master of the Kamehameha and has seemingly perfect Ki control. He can give his entire body's energy into that attack with perfect control. Other people may have a more powerful Kamehameha but nobody can scale their power with it like Roshi.
I don’t think they’d be able to put down Vegeta either. Keep in mind he also tanked Goku’s Kamehameha which was many times stronger than a planet busting attack. He can take one hell of a beating
i find it mildly amusing to imagine vegeta just chilling in the background waiting to see if nappa can take out a team of like 40 superheroes (the avengers) and if nappa gets overwhelmed and somehow killled,vegeta just points 2 fingers and blows up the planet with little effort
You forgot to mention one thing: nappa's techniques. Nappa had a technique that only requires lifting two of his fingers and he can wipe out an entire city and turn it to wasteland. That technique alone can wipe out most wakandan warriors and most human heroes (except for vibranium armor wearing heroes like black panther and Iron man, but they will emerge heavily injured). Nappa also got a mouth blast technique that can caught some heroes off guard and completely kill them (your choice to which heroes he can do this to). And by the time the heroes have dispatched nappa, most of them were already dead or rendered unable to fight due to too much injuries. Only some powerhouses like captain marvel, wanda, strange, thor, etc. will be left on the battlefield. Even if strange makes a barrier to protect them, vegeta is more than strong enough to destroy and bypass their defenses. If somehow the remaining heroes got the best of vegeta, vegeta can always resort on the galick gun, which is strong enough to destroy the earth. And non of the heroes, even captain marvel and thor, have enough power to beam clash the galick gun and they'll easily lose. The only scenario I can see the avengers winning is when Strange resorts to using the time stone and make better strategies.
@@RustedBuddy5192 Mjölnir was broken by Hela and only retrieved via Time Travel. Love & Thunder restored it, that's true, but that's way after Endgame.
Black panthers suit nor iron mans is surviving a nuke….period. Black panther was hurt when he was hit by a grenade launcher and a rhino….a nuke is gonna shred that suit. And iron man has tanked middles before…but none that strong..
The power scaling, particularly in regard to speed, is very very wrong in this video. The avengers cap out at low tier superhuman, aka building to city block buster. They don't have the offensive power to harm Dragonball Z episode 1 Krillin outside of magic, much less Nappa.
Thor: “Catch this, big guy!” *throws Mjolnir Nappa: “Ok!” Vegeta: “No, Nappa! It’s a trick!” Nappa: “But Vegeta…Trix are for kids!” Vegeta: “…You know what, Nappa? Catch it. Catch it with your teeth.” Nappa: “Yay! Like a doggie!”
I find it weird how dodging lasers is considered faster than light... The way I see it, they're not necessarily outpacing the laser itself, but simply dodging out of the way of where the laser is being aimed quickly enough that the shooter is unable to react in time to adjust his aim
Yea I agree, because then if someone got out of the way quickly enough from a car that’s going 60mph, you wouldn’t say that person was moving as fast as the car.
you are all wrong because if I am aiming a light speed weapon directly at you and you react to the light speed beam and avoid it before it hits you, you are effectively reacting at faster than light speeds to the beam.
I like when we get reminded that, way before OP stuff like super saiyans, androids and Cell were introduced, the Saiyans from the same name saga were excedingly powerful, even Raditz. Remember, a Eartling farmer (and farmers are not the weakest people around, they would kick my ass) is only a 5. 5! And Raditz the «weak» is 1200.
Yeah tbh most people have a power level of like 3 to 7 at best, maybe 7 for martial artists(regular ones, like mike tyson, not dragon ball martial artists like goku, Thor might have a power level of a couple hundred but he's also probably one of the Avenger's heavy hitters
@@umbralowl i read that 30 is the limit of normal humans with convetional training, i remember brunce lee on the original DB series was 30 and kid goku beat him with one punch
@@thereynaldosan7695We don't have confirmation as to how high normal humans get without ki training. But it's very likely that it's very low, considering that Daizenshuu 7 put Kid Goku who could lift cars and tank bullets at a measly 10 units
Nappa had the power of a themonuclear weapon in his fingertips and even then he was be conservative with his energy usage and still wiped out the city. The only Avangers member that lasts a second longer than the others is Stark.
@@timevalentime1806 I just assume that Nappa knew how to do it since he was always with Vegeta, Nappa probably just couldn't do it because Goku's strength caught him off guard
If you watched the saiyan saga, then you would know how dangerous Vegeta was. He could erase the planet. It took Goku and others everything they had. He tanked large amounts of damage like the Kaioken powered Kamehameha and Spirit Bomb. The Stamina and durability he had was insane.
@@akainuthegoat6312 Scarlet may have magic and Ms marvel has huge strength and energy and hulk has brute strength but Vegeta is not a joke. He has strength, precision, speed and intelligence. Not to mention insane stamina and durability. The three of them may be really strong but inevitably they wont be able to beat Vegeta.
Something that alot of people miss, including Vegeta himself sometimes, is that the big V was our first planet-killer and beat Goku in a fair fight. Yeah, he didn't like that Goku grew alot stronger, later, but he did actually win, the first time.
>Beat Goku in a fair fight >Fair fight Vegeta was fighting Goku, Gohan, Krillin and Yajirobi at the same time. 4 on 1 isn't exactly what I would call fair. 1v1 Vegeta easily poops on Goku in that fight.
@@thefool7353 Okay, four-on-one isn't a straight-up fair fight. Vegeta was mainly struck down by a few X-factors, like sneak-attacks by Yajirobi and having to deal with Oozaru Gohan. Everything else - from Kaioken to Spirit Bomb - Vegeta completely tanked. But yes, Vegeta shouldn't feel as bad as he does sometimes about Goku's strength. He beat Goku within an inch of his life, and Saiyans bounce back Had he thought about it for a second, he would've realized that Goku obviously wanted strength badly enough to train up to the level he next saw him in. And frankly, if he really believed in his own elite status that much, then he shouldn't have worried, because he knew that he'd get that high, as well.
@@thefool7353 well vegeta wasn't fighting all 4 of them until he turn into a giant gorilla. Goku was holding his own against vegeta until he transform.
@@rllydude3600 When a short-but-impressively-powerful guy that can benchpress a continent comes your way, you'd better be stronger or be prepared to curb the short jokes.
It's worth mentioning that Master Roshi... by himself... is a setting ending catastrophe that most fictions don't really have an answer to. He's weak, for DBZ, but he's still very able to blow up moons. If you can blow up a moon, you can blow up 1/3 of the earth (which basically destroys the earth)
@williamwolfstein6170 did you get that from the scooter bulma rebuilt from raditz? I was wondering how strong buff master roshi is. I feel he was stronger than krillin for sure.
@@boratwilson9916 So there's all sorts of sources for Roshi's power levels, so take this with a grain of salt. He certainly was stronger than Krillin when they first met, but it's stated that his power level when he blows up the moon is 125, and krillin at that time is 65. When Roshi fights Demon King Piccolo with the Mafuba and Kamehameha he gets to 180. Roshi was at 139 in the Saiyan Saga, but to be fair he was not in Max Power State (When he grows all the muscles) and was just lying in a beach chair. Krillin at this time was at 1770 when he powered up fully. After the Cell Saga he decides to resume training, and it's stated he does so with Puar (and I think Corin?) and in Resurrection F he can take on 170 Frieza Force soldiers in his Max Power State. When Krillin fought (and lost) against Freiza Force soldiers in the Namek saga he was at 75,000. This implies Roshi would be MUCH stronger than that in Resurrection F... What I found online is 1.5 Million. After this the numbers just get crazy. He WAS able to mimic Ultra Instinct against Jiren without much difficulty in the manga... so there's that, and I've seen 7.5 sextillion quoted... but at this point power levels are kind of stupid. Roshi could likely just destroy Galaxies at that level.
@@henrychurch6062 theres no way the jiren "fight" actually scales to master roshi's power level. all he was doing was optimizing his movements so he could avoid a suppressed jiren's attacks despite the immense difference in speed.
I'm a Marvel fan too, but before that I'm a huge Dragon Ball fanatic first. And I remember this one scene from DBZ I think showing King Vegeta casually waving his hand in order to destroy maybe a couple of small planets, if I remember it correctly. I mean, that alone shows how big the gap is regarding their power levels. Before Wanda can even wave her fingers, a base Vegeta IV would have already blitzed her to her demise.
@@Sorcererzz *Marvel Even as a kid, I've always been drawn more into Spider-Man and the X-Men in general way before MCU happened (or even Raimi's Spidey trilogy & Singer's X-Men trilogy happened). So no, I'm not just a "movie fan."
Imagine you gather all the avengers through the portals, tens of dozens to maybe even hundreds of people show up to fight this (it'd be more here since half the universe wouldn't be wiped), and the weaker enemy raises 2 fingers, killing all but 5 or so people there.
LOL exactly. Why is this even a question? I don’t need to spend 9 mins watching this. Yamcha and Krillin could destroy the MCU Avengers themselves. Look at Ragnarok. A drunk Valkyrie was able to subdue the God of Thunder with a taser. And she was able to treat The Hulk like a dog by making him play fetch.
@cheesesteakphilly And Goku got shot down by some scrub in Resurrection F. Neither of these universes are remotely consistent when it comes to power scaling.
@@sumanoskae I think it's more about ki. Their base defence is although super human not that durable but with their ki they can stack defence even tho it can be the same body stacking something like god ki can handle more damage as long as he got ki barrier and ki are pretty versatile, it can stab or cut people clean like a sword or blind them. But still Goku taking damage when not on guard is BS.
This actually lined up perfectly with what I thought when I read the title. They could handle Raditz. MAYBE Nappa if they really brought their A game, but there would be two or three casualties at least, and then the second Vegeta stepped up, they'd be finished. And that's even if you did them a solid and gave them time to recover from their injuries and somehow bring back the ones that died fighting Nappa.
@CalebScott1991 that's what I'm saying he highballed TF out of the avengers. Ironman metal getting obliterated and caps just a super human and hulk ain't strong enough u gotta pray doc or Wanda can send his ass to another dimension before he attacks.
Raditz would be a planetary threat and he would kill/incapacitate most of the MCU heroes. Nappa would steamroll everyone (too fast, too strong, too durable). Vegeta is not needed, he would just watch as Nappa decimates the heroes and the planet.
Raditz definitely dies but he might get some kills under his belt. Considering he is going in alone and will likely get jumped while also being no stronger than a saibaman.
Here is the thing: since the Avengers can't know about Saiyan biology they wouldn't only have to face one Great Ape, but two (because they wouldn't have destroyed the Moon)!
Against MCU avengers I really think Raditz can probably take out Iron Man and Strange though Strange could end it early with the right timing with his ability to create portals (Those things were never used to their fullest combat wise). Honestly the MCU does make scaling a bit difficult since one moment Thor is taking the concentrated heat and radiation of a neutron star to the back than the next he’s actually feeling a punch from anyone. But I e never seen the MCU characters casually unleash city busting attacks the way Nappa or Vegeta can.
Thank you for someone acknowledging that Thor took a neutron star pulsar lol. Pulsars are trillions of times more energy output than the sun puts and the sun killed Cooler when he was pushed into it. Cooler is Freiza final form level, so pretty sure Thor could tank anything Vegeta throws at him. Also Thor and captain marvel casually destroyed city sized space ships, Thor during Avengers 1 blanketed the portal with lightning destroying a wave of Chautari ships, and that was way before he was Stormbreaker Thor. Just because they haven't tried to destroy a city, cuz they are heroes, doesn't mean they couldn't if they wanted to.
@@bobbob-up5ri A red giant would have been WAAY bigger than that. They are solar system sized. I think it is a pulsar because we actually see the size of the star, and it is exactly roughly what a neutron star would be. Also pulsars are beams of energy projected from the star JUST like what we see in the movie....It all lines up.
@@Jake-cm9jj fair point I see what you mean with the size however I always assumed it was the mechanism in place that was creating the beam. However In regards to Thor I tanking that blast I think it's more of a showcase of his ability to tank high heat purely for the fact that hulk who I doubt has the same energy output as a pulsar was able to harm Thor.
Doctor Strange made Loki fall for over a half hour. If that was implemented in battle it could be quite useful. I mean against someone in the MCU, Raditz Nappa and Vegeta can fly of course.
@@eddyram4932 i believe that the top avengers could destroy the earthlings, if its Dr Strange, hulk, scarlet witch, thor and captain marvel i can see them destroy at least tenshinhan chiaotzu krilin and yamcha... But that would be the end as noone could hope to touch piccolo, as he has some of the strongest ki blasts and the highest recovery of the Z warriors... Also he can become a giant and stretch his arms and with his strenght he could easily stop hulk and thor
@@Perthro77 anyone who cannot move faster than light and survive a planet shattering hit will get rushed and die in one punch. So that eliminates most of the avengers, of the people you list maybe Thor and Captain Marvel can survive those, Dr. Strange is only human even with all his magic, he cannot move faster than light so if he doesn’t see the hit coming he cannot react and protect himself, same goes for Scarlet Witch. By the early Dragon Ball episodes people like Krilin, Tien and Yamcha were already moving faster than light since normal people would not see them move at all.
@@Perthro77brother ur trippin, krillen and tien were in the tournament of power😂 maybe saiyan saga krillen would get wiped, but krillen after being blown up and revived? solo’s the mcu with such ease it’s laughable, yall be sleeping on that mf but bro is easily the strongest human ever, bro could tear hulks arms off and beat his ass with them, same with thanos, even big ass galactic big ass getting pieced up by ToP krillen, dbz power scaling is on a completely different level
Considering how they trashed the remnants of Hydra in Age of Ultron, I'd say only Blue; Silver, Black and Tao Pai Pai would be any real obstacles. Cap alone would probably mop the floor with the red ribbon mooks like he did with the Hydra mooks in First Avenger.
I don’t really agree with the speed scaling. You really shouldn’t use travel speed to compare to combat speed. Thanos capturing captain marvel can either be an inconsistency or her just not being able to reach full speed. Due to the way quicksilver died and how others compared to him, we know MCU characters don’t really scale that far past mach speeds for combat/reaction time. And this is consistent with the rest of the verse for the most part. Based on this, Raditz even if he’s not at planet busting would just blitz everyone else.
@@WaveForceful Yeah DB characters are pretty damn quick. Unfortunately I just don’t really understand how you can actually scale MCU characters past mach. Quickersilver being mach speeds in the MCU isn’t just some minor one off outlier, it’s a big deal considering he died to bullets. MCU characters are pretty slow for the most part.
Planet vegeta was noted to had 10x the gravity of earth which is already putting the Saiyans at a huge speed advantage. Makes sense as to why they can fly as well.
As a DB fan, I'm not actually sure the characters are FTL? Ackshually, FTL travel first of all leads to time paradoxes... I think of it as the characters move at very close fractions to the speed of light, maybe being that fast eventually? Hmm. Like at least super saiyan. Hit seems like the only character possibly ftl or when they get there. Anyone with guide info or something would be appreciated, but even then those can be a bit inconsistent
😭 both Nappa and Vegeta are casual planet busters, and both can transform into Ozaru that increases their power tenfold 😭 the MCU's Avengers never even get past Raditz
Facts. I can even give them the benefit of the doubt against Radditz but there will definitely be some casualties. They wouldn’t do any better against Nappa than the Z warriors did, if they even make it past the cybamen.
@@MK_ULTRA420 Loool not even close. Roshi blew up the moon with a power level of 139. Raditz is 1500, nearly 11x stronger. They can't hit him because he's faster than light and they also die in one hit if he uses a serious attack. It's an EZW for him. 😂😂
I do like how he made it a point to use the MCU versions of the avengers and not just a mesh of the MCU and comics. The MCU versions of the characters seem a bit less godly and would actually be the underdogs in this fight. As for the comic versions of the avengers, thats a completely different story IMO....
@@odd02yea they’d clap raditz and base vegeta ofc, but what be way difficult is saiyan + vegeta in all the forms he’s achieved now including ultra ego. This alone could clap all the avengers at will as ultra ego is a different spectrum of power that the avengers don’t have, even world breaker hulk which would be their best shot would not stand a chance
Theirs no point in going down that thought process because, this is the weakest version of all the DBZ characters, and if you know anything about even BASE DBZ then you know its over.
Take it with a grain salt, but Death Battle did a match up between Vegeta and Thor and it was said that Thor would win. Most of the avengers wouldn't stand a chance against most saiyans, but Thor honestly would slap most if not all of them in a 1v1. Thor is busted af.
@@9s322 Says the guy who hasn't read most manga. You know there are like over ten manga character (technically video game characters) that neg diff Marvel and DC though dragon ball isn't the part of the group
@@Makishima_kun Exactly, leaving Goku aside... there are lot of characters that solos Thor. But Goku is not anything but a extremely overrated fodder. And u're just another fankid feeding the ego of this character. And then your own fanbase asks why they hate Goku that much lmaooooo. Oh yeah, "video game" characters counts as "manga" characters. I thought manga and games were different things.
I think one thing is Mis-represented here. While the avengers could tank some high level attacks. Are they able to dish them out? While they could possibly keep up with raditz , beating him is another story since he can tank shots much harder than the Avengers could likely dish out “Edit”: Here’s some more proof to back my argument , Raditz was stated to be faster than the speed of light by Piccolo. Iron Man & Dr. Strange are not light speed characters. Raditz could have them dead before even they know what had hit them.
Pretty much this. Using Vegeta as an example, a times 4 kaioken Kamehameha didn't straight up erase hin and take into account that kaioken enhances Gokus battle power, but the Kamehameha also does
Nah they have AP feats that scale higher than their durability and just like every other verse in fiction, their durability is also scaled to their powers, if they can take planet level hits from a being that is durable enough to take planets exploding in his face then they end up damaging and injuring him, that's planet level ap.
@@CerealExperimentsMizuki not sure where you get the durability being scaled to their power from… Iron man took damage from the power stone which can wipe a planet out. But iron man hasn’t proven any planet busting feats… Thanos alone can’t bust a planet. He is strong yes but without the stones he isn’t planet busting in power. We are talking about the MCU here by the way… When iron man made thanos bleed , the gauntlet was disabled by iron man’s thing he put on thanos’s hand to prevent him from using the stones. So at max , Iron man damaged a very strong person. Definitely not planet busting since again , the stones were inactive.
@normanderi And Dragonball characters have consistently shown that they can take more than they give. Again a battered and bruised Vegeta using his last energy took an attack that was a lot stronger than himself. Nearly double his power if not more than
Very good analysis on power scaling, but I think you're discounting what intelligent characters like Iron Man, Dr. Strange and Bruce Banner could prepare in the one year between Raditz and Vegeta.
I’m pretty sure it’s confirmed that Piccolo was only in the 400’s when he blew up the moon (large planet feat). I think pre-Z Goku is also confirmed planet busting capability. And of course Roshi blew up the moon leaving no trace at the end of his fight with Goku in the 1st tournament, and that was a fatigued Roshi doing a quick blast, little charge up, no muscle form. A power level of less than 150. Raditz is 10x Roshi and 3-4x Piccolo’s power. And the power levels of early dragon ball are logarithmic. Kami at 300 is many times stronger than just 2x Roshi. So Raditz is comfortably large planet level.
I put Marvel around ssj3 Gotenks level in latest movie. Saiyans wouldn't stop her. And i put Thor around Super Perfect Cell. But thor is MUCH slower then the saiyans even in saiyan saga. Same with marvel. At least in combat speed, travel speed aint same. But its just my opinion.
One thing people forget is that Vegeta on his way to earth nuked a planet to rubble in a moment and not break a sweat. That's comparable to the scene of the power stone destroying a planet, but Vegeta can just do that easy with ki from his fingers.
@@theccarbiter Filler or not, Vegeta actually CAN do that, he even mentioned it in his own mind during supreme Kai explaining Majin Buu during Buu saga.
Considering that King Piccolo was easily destroying entire cities with his ki blasts, I think it's safe to say that there is no chance that the Avengers can defeat any of the villains in Dragon Ball Z. Imo the Avengers could only make it to the Red Ribbon Army saga before they become outclassed.
Also, it's worth mentioning that you never "Destroy" anything in Dragon ball. It's ALWAYS vaporized/erased. There's never particles left over. For anyone to be considered "Planetary" in DBZ means they are casting thousands of times the energy necessarily to blow up a planet by simply vaporizing it
Also in db, if a character is stronger than another than the stronger characters ki straight up negates the weaker characters abilities. Which means doctor strange and scarlet witch would not be able to do much. Lol Although Akira toriyama and the dragon ball super writing staff some times forget that ki can negate abilities
@@cool2314 They forget everything. Some attacks do work tho. Goku when he went Kaioken x2 vs Ginyu absolutely negated Ginyu with only 60k more energy. All of his attacks just bounced off his aura. Ginyu only got the body change cuz Goku had his guard down and didn't care to fight.
@@kamuishortsgamer3728 yeah I know i forgot to mention that while ki will negate abilities and techniques most of the time there are a couple exceptions like evil containment wave and buu's candy beam but if one character can increase there ki high enough they can simply over power the attack of the weaker character like how Goku was able to over power Ginyu with kaio Ken and close the power level gap Ginyu had over goku
@@cool2314 oh that’s right! Their abilities rely on spiritual energy, which via verse equalization is the same as Ki. Guess it’s an easy W for Raditz then since he’s FTL and planetary which is way above anything the Avengers have shown in the MCU.
They could win with the Infinity Stones, although it wouldn´t be very easy. Both Nappa and Vegeta are war experts, so the struggle for the Gauntlet that happened in End Game, if it happened, would be way more intense, and even if Nappa had the intention of letting them use it, Vegeta would warn him to do otherwise, like he did when Krillin charged the Destructo-Disk against Nappa, unless they snap before they arrive, making it very anti-climatic.
They would only have the time stone and mind. They might get the space stone if loki wasn't stingy, but it took thor being tortured for him to bring it out so that's not likely. The power stone was in the possession of thanos, the reality stone is still with the collector on knowhere, and there's absolutely no way they're getting the soul stone. Come to think of it, Thor won't even have his hammer in this so he'd be far weaker.
If Vegeta ever felt even remotely threatened, then it would be goodbye earth and not a single character could have been able to stop him. MAYBE Marvel could have tried to tackle him away from the planet and into space, but that's assuming she has the actual strength to actually budge him.
she absorbs energy kinda like super 17 in gt. i think if she just tanked it she would be fine. especially if shes been getting boosted by smaller blast in the fight against nappa. her being boosted by their energy could help but i think shed be the counter to a planet destroying move. making it be a fist fight for vegeta or having to catch her off guard to hit a gallick gun
Depends on who is writing the script. She has as much strength and abilities as the plot requires for victory rather than any actual earned skill...unless we're talking classic comic Captain Marvel and not modern Captain Marvel. They're both powerful, but unfortunately you just can't beat plot armor.
She does have abilities to soft counter vegeta’s attack but remember that he has tremendous battle experience. I don’t remember her actually having to “fight” someone with similar strength, the last in the comics she absorbed powerful energy and became her strongest form, she died of j remember correctly.
This was actually way more thought out and balanced than I thought it was going to be. However, I still sort of disagree with the first point about the power stone. In the scene we see a Celestial using it to destroy a planet, but I think it just enhances whoever is using it. So the stronger the user, a Celestial for example, the stronger the stones power.
This is the case. The Power Stone does have some energy manipulation powers, but its main ability is to greatly enhance the qualities of whoever is holding it. Someone who is strong will become stronger, someone who is fast will become faster, etc. It's the most important stone for that specific reason; it boosts the other stones when used together. At least, that's how it works in the comics. The movies have really screwed with how they work, and the universe in general.
Given the snap... I don't think so... However, it's probably an exception given by using all 6 IS. But the MCU made a point that a User has to be stronger or equal to a celestial (or of a child of one) in order to use, at least, the power stone. And the Celestials crafted universes, so their staff to no diff one planet is more of them "walking on a beach".
@@Michaeljefferson9000 The Power Stone in Marvel Comic has no limitation with its User and did more than powering up its User. You're basically a Saiyan as a Human with absolute power. Think of Doom Guy and BS anything which can harm, affect, kill you because you're too angry to die. That is the Power Stone's full capability. Matter manipulation abd energy manipulation is just one factor of the Power Stone. But make no mistake... All but the Mind Stone and Soul Stone can do very much the same as the Power Stone in the Comics. Mind and Soul are on the level of the Phoenix Force, Eternity, and the Living Tribunal. Both stones are of thar calibur at max potential. Then all 6 together, it is neigh omnipotence. More so than what the Movies could ever hope to grasp... Even the Complete Nullifier is but a toy against the Infinity Stones.
I'm just imagining Nappa just raising his 2 fingers at the army of avengers and wiping out like 95% of them instantly, like how he levels the city he crashed landed on Like a small scale version of the Snap
Keep in mind the power level for Nappa (4000) is a suppressed level of Nappa's power. When Nappa got serious he was able to contend with Goku and Goku was required to use Kaio Ken x2 (if no multiplier for Kaio Ken is stated it is x2) in order to defeat him quickly. Therefore considering Goku's power level is around 8,100 or so (just over 8,000) then Nappa is most likely in the 7,000 to 7,500 range. Basically doubling his power. Therefore if Nappa WAS taking the fight seriously he most likely could win with high difficulty.
Nah thats not true. Goku had some close calls but definitely didn't struggle with nappa and only had to ×2 to help out killin and gohan because he wasn't close enough
@@zionarrington8489Goku wasn’t struggling, but he did seem to think the fight would take a while after Nappa got serious. I got the sense that Goku would’ve maintained the upper hand, but wouldn’t just dominate him. So with that said, I’d say Nappa’s power level was quite a bit higher than 4000 when he was focused. Consider that Piccolo’s power level was like 3000, and he still wasn’t much of a match for Nappa, so if Nappa’s real power level was only 4000 I don’t think he would’ve been able swap hands with Goku.
@@fatherofjman2475 that was before Nappa powered up/focused though. Goku didn’t struggle even after Nappa powered up or whatever, but he wasn’t dominating him anymore
People forget that before going to Earth. In the very early episodes of DBZ. Vegeta blew up a planet with a small energy blast cause he felt like it. Imagine the output his Galick Gun can do.
that was filler tho and never repeated. He had to power up his Galek gun to do the same during a mainline episode. Fair to say that was an outlier feat.
@@ttv_mrjack6749context means nothing to you? That's filler but piccolo could do the same thing in the same saga? Roshi did the same thing in original dragon ball. Planetary destruction is child's play to Vegeta from the moment he's introduced
@@ttv_mrjack6749 filler is canon to dbz lmao, king Vegeta destroyed 3 planets with a wave of his hand it’s not an outlier for Vegeta to do the same with a tiny ki blast
@@eyeballtreehouse111 Neither of them did it effortlessly and no, the moon is absolutely not the same as Earth and almost all blasts to destroy Earth are charged up and intense moments. Otherwise, random blasts from SSGSSB x10KK will obliterate the Earth when brolly deflects them. Filler isn't cannon to future seasons or referenced again, hence it being non-cannon. It's just a sequence to fill up time.
By that point even Chaos can move faster than normal humans can see. Yamcha will be overkill for the Avengers, maybe they have a chance against Yajirobe (who defeated Piccolo sons without any problem).
Oh god. MCU vs Saiyans? That's like asking a colony of bullet ants to fight the equivalent of Yellowstone caldera popping off as it did in the movie 2012.
Speed feats on both ends are off due to auto-dodging (dodging where someone is aiming before they pull the trigger on a ftl weapon due to charge up time, their muscles clenching as they squeeze a trigger, or some other tell that occurs before the weapon is fired). For example, Tony Stark's lasers are consistently shown to have a power up interval, and he, a base human, has to aim and fire his weapons without his suit moving so quickly it turns his organs to jelly. Because of this everyone with the exception of quicksilver is human, human+, or low tier super human in speed. Even Captain Marvel. Given that every time we see her in combat she is moving, at best, at Quicksilver speed, it most likely means that she either has no fine control over her movements or she can only use her max speed to fly through deep space. Her failing to instantly reach the portal, and instead being intercepted by Thanos throwing a weapon that Tony and Captain America could react to, supports this. Dragonball (not Dragonball Z) Krillin, in his first martial arts tournament, was capable of moving faster than base human vision to the point where he and his opponent were invisible. Adult Krillin, at the start of DBZ, could speed blitz the majority of the Avengers army. The only people he might not be able to kill are Captain Marvel, Thor, and the Hulk due to not having very good damage feats. If you include power level scaling it's probably only Captain Marvel that survives. She is then probably killed by Raditz, and it's not even close. Their only hope is to use magic or shrinking tech to send the Saiyans to another dimension using trickery, since even powerful characters in DBZ regularly choose to interact with people at non-super speeds, and all three of the Saiyans love gloating.
Avengers: send out Saiyans to another dimension The Saiyans: -Hey Vegeta do you think we'll be able to go back if we shout like reeeeeeaaaaaal loud? -What, have you lost your mind nappa, we're in the middle of nowhere, that magician sent us down here- -REEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!! (A portal opens) -See? I told you Vegeta! _The point: Gotenks and Buu opened portals Hyperbolic Space chamber/Earth by screaming_
@@sonicszuetomyt5448 Right, but the Hypersonic Rhyme Chamber isn't a natural dimension, it's artificial and made of magic. Sending someone to another naturally occurring dimension is the same as teleporting them to the other side of the universe. Once they are there, unless they can open portals themselves they have no means of returning.
@@MonochromaticPrism But the avengers are still ducked. Frieza would come to check why vegeta disappeared even if he doesn't care about him he is one of the strongest guys in his army. He'll check earth out and the avengers basically have 0 hope of wining unless they do magic shit.
@@Lynn.-_-. Nah, before he went to earth Vegeta was just a high level grunt for Frieza. That's why most of his forces just laughed at and mocked him when he first arrived on Namek. It was only his most common foot soldiers that were overwhelmed by pre-earth Vegeta. His lieutenants like Dodoria would have annihilated him even in Ape form back then, let alone something like the Ginyu force. And he did not tell Frieza where he was going ANYWAYS, so it likely would have just blown over.
@@Vertraic Let me explain. Frieza doesn't care about vegeta but it's not like his a weakling by any measures. His still stronger than most of friezas army which would pique friezas interest as to who killed the saiyans especially considering how earth isn't even on friezas radar (frieza is running a galactic empire which sells planets so it's highly likely he would be interested in a backwater planet which managed to kill 3 saiyans). And considering how the scouters are all connected ( that's how he found out about the dragon balls, if I remember correctly) I don't think it would be that hard to find earth. Considering the avengers can't match vegetas power so they would use magic which if frieza knew, he might decide to nip the problem before it blossoms considering how frieza destroyed planet vegeta (Ima ignore the lazy gluttonous cat 🐱 here). Even if he doesn't come he still would send scouts to check out earth but considering how far behind earth is if the scouts leave unharmed frieza might just lose interest if he doesn't know about the magic.
I am glad that the description specified that the comparison was with the MCU, specifically. Lol. I was about to start writing a book in the comments until I saw that, and that's as a fan of both.
Goku SSJ3 would wipe the floor with the entire Marvel universe 😂 but then again if you have a comeback, then Goku SS God would absolutely crush them. No? Goku SSJ Blue is just overkill. Still no? Goku SSJ Blue Kaioken X10 now thats just wrong and overkill….. But if for some dumbass reason you still think Marvel has a chance then Goku Ultra Instinct (Would go and wipe DC after 😂)
@@jackzerkis6190 Sure - Loki, God of Stories _(what he becomes at the end of the Loki TV show)_ is a reality warper, of multiversal level, that specifically can change the story of anyone, or anything, that he wants. If he decides that Goku has actually lived nothing but an absolutely peacefully life - never having having been taught by either Granpa Gohan nor Master Roshi? It becomes true. Not an illusion... the entire story of Dragonball changes to fit the idea that Goku never learned to fight. Marvel has quite a few reality warpers. Not ever fight is a question of raw power potential.
@@jackzerkis6190 what do they have to do with Goku beating the entire Marvel universe? That is not just a goalpost shift, but an entirely new game. Zeno could body everything but the One Above All, yeah, but Whis is more on the level of a being such as Eternity.
I feel like raddiz would body them all tbh, liniar travelling speed is different to combat speed. He'd be snap vanishing around and snapping necks like it was nothing only stopping to laugh and gloat periodically. I think the only one with a chance at even perceiving raddiz is possibly spiderman.
No Spider-Man would get wrecked by Raditz and the only avenger that would stand a chance of beating him would be Hulk or maybe Thor but not Spider-Man. 😂😂😂
Travel speed and combat speed feats in fiction are often extremely disjointed and should not be combined for scaling, lest you want to accept extreme inconsistencies. Another pet peeve is assuming light-based attacks/energy beams travel at light speed and scaling characters who react to/dodge them accordingly, because doing so would also put these feats as MASSIVE outliers compared to literally any other speed feat in their series.
That it would. I see people doing this a lot, and it's completely inconsistent in most media. Rather annoying to witness because nearly every time it makes no sense and is only there to shoehorn a "balance" in to try and make the fight hypothetically feasible.
What’s annoying about fiction is that characters no matter how “fast” they are, are never faster than the speed of sound. Goku in the first tournament arc literally disappears from the human eye, from sheer speed, but there’s not a sonic boom? Mfs talk while fighting at insane speeds if you were to overcome the impossibility of such a thing. The rock of power can be deflected by what amounts to regenerating tin? Captain marvel somehow being the least offending character is hilarious rn.
Thought the same thing and said as much. There also is a false correlation between strength and striking power. I think the best way I've heard it described is a bulldozer is 'stronger' than a sports car, but being hit by the bulldozer at top speed knocks you over where as being hit by the sports car at top speed shatters you.
An interesting point about Nappa is that when Goku fully powered up to over 8000, Nappa managed to use his own power up technique to attempt to catch up and keep even pacing with Goku even in his heightened level of power. While Nappa wasn't abled to match him (Nor have the same level of martial arts familiarity) I would estimate that his power level increased to something like 6,500 - 7000 in terms of full combat ability.
I would argue that Nappa could only reach that level of power through zenkai boosts throughout the battle. Remember Saiyans become more powerful as they fight, with massive boosts coming if they survive the battle. Nappa could only step up to Goku after fighting the Z fighters. Even in the MCU, I think Nappa is slightly lowballed here because of this.
No I don't think they're really looking at it Vegeta said it was over 9000 + Goku continued powering up for a good minute after that so it kept rising I believe Napa's ultimate power level is around thirteen to fifteen thousand. We know that Goku and Vegeta's power level is at Max are around 25 to 31.
@@Phantom-kc9ly I’m more of the thought that the explanation/ phrase “Zenkai Boost” wasn’t coined until early Namek Saga. Zenkais have actually always existed since kid Goku; we just never had the terminology.
3:20 I don’t think it’s fair to say that the power stone was being used at full force when it hit those avengers. If a planetary destruction level beam hit a person, even if they blocked it, it would either explode or crator them into the earth (and then explode), unless we’re assuming that iron man’s legs were strong enough to push back planetary devastation levels of force. Even then, his legs would be exerting that same amount of force into the ground beneath him, still causing a massive global natural disaster at best.
I think it wouldn't be that bad of a statement to make because those characters were relative to Ironman and if the power stone was capable of planetary feats he should scale to that. Especially if you take into account that thanos was going for the kill with Ironman specifically and was more than likely going all out and the other characters scale around that
You can't apply that level of physics logic to the MCU or DBZ. Realistically, iron man would kill himself from the amount of G force he outputs. You just have to turn your brain off with certain things
@@elijahlee3610except by turning our brains off that makes Dragon Ball feats much stronger than MCU feats. Considering they MCU dont move at super speed like DBZ characters do in every fight.
@@fatty1040 they do tho in the comics. It's hard to put that speed in a movie and make it look good for the audience. Kinda why we have yet to get a good Manga live action movie. There are just things you can't do with movies. Kind of why I think this comparison isn't quite fair. Comparing a cartoon/manga to a live action movie instead of the comics/cartoons.
@@cliffordsmith8499 It is in dragon balls case tho since they establish early on for their universe is that they ARE moving that fast and the Manga panels are glimpses of what we get to see. So if a character teleports (Nobody can teleport except Goku, literally all characters have this teleport move which is just them putting all their effort and energy into flying) They really are just moving so much more faster and as their power increases so does their speed, endurance, strength, energy capacity, mental focus, and intrinsic powers. Literally all that gets stronger by them increasing their ki. Even the dbz technology is OP. Bulma took an alien spaceship "Kamis spaceship" and it took them to Jupiter in less than 5 seconds. They want to use this ship to go to another planet called "Namek" that takes earth technology 4339 years to reach but with Kamis spaceship it took 32 days instead.
Consider this. All three Saiyan's can go great ape form, but in their bases, Raditz could probably go toe to toe with memebers like vision, war machine, basically the upper mid tier cast. Now, keep in mind that nappa can legit GROW a small army of siabamen who are as strong as raditz. Then you have nappa who could probably go toe to toe eith mcu hulk and thor but is also capable of turning a major city into a glass floor with a single attack. Vegeta, by comparison is twice as powerful if not more than nappa at that point and a very skilled fighter and has planetary level energy attacks so even someone like scarlett witch or captain marvel wouldnt be able to stand toe to toe with thst.
@@eyeballtreehouse111 exactly. The MCU power scaling is all over the place so there's always the " yea but what about" factor but during the Saiyan saga Vegeta nappa raditz and the saibamen easily wrecked the strongest fighters on earth who all had super strength, speed, fighting skills, and energy attacks that could level a skyscraper at least and even with Wanda being at her peak or captain marvel not holding back I don't see them surviving Vegeta especially if he goes great ape
Vegeta is four times as powerful as Nappa, to be specific - and obviously more well trained and a better fighter. The ape form is a X10 multiplier, so Raditz in ape form is about triple Nappa in his human form. Worth noting also that Raditz is about 11 times more powerful than Roshi was when he blew the moon into atoms for some perspective, since you don't really get a good gauge on Raditz or the Saibamen.
@@jamesjohnston5749 Piccolo blows up the moon and it takes him and goku at the time to cheapshot raditz by suicide. Honestly just with the speed feats its impossible for any MCU characters to take on anything great ape or kaioken x4 level. They wouldnt even be able to see them. That one guy says skyscraper but piccolo and roshi destroying the moon at a far lower level is insane compared to saiyan invasion saga.
I think most people know that. Its just that most times some media inflates the strenght of their characters, so it seems like some shows are at the same level of strenght as DB
I don't think scaling some of the characters who tanked the power stone to planet level is fair, the power stone varies a LOT based on the size of the target. So honestly they'd have a much more rough time, the only ones who'd stand a chance would be love and thunder Thor and a post wandavision Scarlet witch
Thor before love and thunder would give them hell of a run he was tanking a star while making storm breaker not to mention dr strange can manipulate time so even if he does it redo it Wanda mind hacks vision can phase through and stuff
End game Wanda would be enough. She was already powerful enough to destroy infinity stones and rewrite reality without the darkhold. Vision would be alive and probably could use the mind stone on dumb characters like nappa and the SAibamen to reduce casualties. Thor, Hulk and Cap with hammer could keep nappa busy ppl forget how strong Thor is because he’s cracking jokes. He took on the full force of an exploding star Vegeta isn’t on sun buster level yet. They still have 3 infinity stones. Mind, time, and space and if they had a year to prepare they could probably get the power and reality stone too. Those stones mixed with captain marvel or Thor would be enough to protect earth. Imagine reality stone with Wanda rewriting existence, dr strange rewinding time to save people or predict next attacks plus using portals to redirect incoming attacks.Thor powering up his axe with the power stone and captain marvel using the space stone like a battery
@@scottdungy8574XD wanda could only destroy the mind stone because her powers were the same. If those powers don't kill vegeta instantly she'll get blitzed before she can even react
Because Strange could just see what would happen a hole year from the Raditz fight and give that knowledge to the rest of the avengers and plan accordingly? If they had the resources available to them at the end of endgame but in ready conditions theres noway 2 Saiyans both in monkey form win. they would get overwhelmed in numbers alone...
if they invade earth, the avengers might manage to beat raditz with some difficulty, but beating Nappa would be pretty tough, Vegeta is on a diferent level
I actually liked you using Earth and moon shattering moves from both MCU and DBZ to see who can tank and output what against each other. I mean it does make sense but I just never thought to see who in the MCU can tank an attack from the Power stone which is a planet destroying weapon which is the equivalent of what early DBZ Saiyan's are capable of. Very nice video!
@@Hexis17 Yes true, but the video is discussing who in the MCU can handle Raditz, Nappa and Vegeta who debuts in DBZ. But it is nice to think about the human characters of DB-Z being able to put in work from way back then.
@Platformer64 my point is they are basing alot of scaling on blowing up the moon, even tho most the dbz character could blow up the moon in dragon ball means they are way past that by DBZ, so all the dbz characters are being low balled including raditz and nappa.
An issue I'd have with scaling the feats of speed for marvel. Is that their travel speed is way diffrent from fighting speed. And even in the end of dragon ball into z goku and inturn vegeta can fight so fast people can't see them so their fighting speed is at least light speed. Which means they have cognitive ability to see as fast as they can move.
Yup, Krillin and Master Roshi had an entire fight in under a second. Master Roshi blew up the moon while fatigued in a few seconds. Goku dodged lightning as a kid and potentially light from the solar flare.
Thats all quite true and valid but what good is faster that light punching speed when the enemy can just stop time? Like seriously I think everyone is too hung up on the strength and speed thing. All it would take for the Avengers to win is Dr Strange to stop time for everyone bar himself and Thor, then have Thor walk over and remove their heads with his axe. Done and dusted. This however brings me to the very obvious reason why the creator of this video chose Avengers from the MCU and not the comics. The MCU versions of Avengers are WAY underpowered compared to their comic versions. This is an obvious attempt to make sure the victory is handed to the Saiyans.
I wouldn’t say light speed…I can’t see a bullet travel…and even if you could, let’s say the bullet is traveling 1 million mph, you’re still 670x slower than the speed of light 🤷♂️
Not to mention that if push came to shove and Napa was getting overwhelmed it wouldn’t be out of the realm of possibility that Vegeta would have him transform into a great ape as well. Considering the numbers advantage the avengers have i doubt they would allow Vegeta to just sit around and watch the battle so most likely it would be great ape Napa and Vegeta vs all of the avengers or the heavy hitters would go after Vegeta while Napa fights everyone else. Either way no chance
@@caracentralwell thts cuase he got blitzed by goku a fellow saiyan and vegets wanted to see what goku could do here however I think vegeta would pdobaly jump in considering avengers is a bigger threat than saiyan saga Z fighters minus piccolo 😂😂
@@Dakingalbert2 vegeta realizes that scouters and power levels are useless the moment Goku does that, the numbers mean nothing, he immediately forgos his scouter and instead relies on sensing ki, which yes you can still hide from, but in the canon it's heavily implied that it's way more accurate
@@Dakingalbert2 Vegeta at that point was a jerk, and would likely still kill Nappa if he made a terrible show of himself vs someone they consider weaker. However, I don't really think any of the Avengers can scale up to Kaioken Goku to blitz Nappa like that, and that guy's a bruiser. Even if the Avengers somehow put him in a back foot, he'd likely still be well enough to continue fighting by when Vegeta grows either interested enough to step in, or impatient enough to make a fake moon for Nappa to transform from.
I feel like there's a bit of an underestimate with what Tony and Dr Strange can do with a year's planning, not to mention that Asgard didn't lose half it's refugees this time around, including Loki. They probably can figure out some kind of plan to equalize the power differences. Not an easy fight, but definitely a more fair one.
Lol I love dbz but yeah a years prep time to Tony is insane. they would just fly on earth right into a trap haha. Remember this is a guy that figured out how to time travel into other universes.
doc strange countering dormamu alone is enough of a feat to make sure they evade a whipe out scenerio, giving Tony stark and already star level tanking attacks characters like thor 12 months prep time is overkill.
To be fair, Dr. Strange and Stark don't really need that much prep, Tony still has god armors capable of taking on some of the strongest entities in Marvel, many of which are dimensional destroyers, Dr. Strange is basically the Dr. Fate of Marvel to said entities to begin with, he deals with them on a daily basis. This is not taking into account Avengers like Scarlet Witch who at her peak rewrote an entire reality and its history in House of M.
The only scenario the avengers could win is if they actually collected all the infinity stones and destroyed the saiyans before they even arrived which i feel is alot more likely. A straight fight even with the infinity stones i still believe vegeta just shows more raw power and speed. I feel like this is a path that should have been explored as many people would be open to destroying the threat before its even come to be
There’s also nothing stopping the Avengers from intercepting Vegeta and Nappa before they even arrive on earth. With a year to prepare, Tony Stark could set up satellites, detecting when the Saiyan Pods begin to approach Earth, and prepare an entire fleet of ships to intercept two dinky pods.
@@Therandomuser-dc8fv i dont think that would work especially against the saiyans who tank planet busting attacks i dont think any ship would really hurt them especially vegeta as if its close enough to earth’s atmosphere all it would do it get vegeta to see the moon and just rampage i still think the only chance is collecting the infinity stones and just erasing them or teleporting them in the middle of space
What is the saying get cocky and let strange attack them, and Strange does a soul Punch and traps the soul in the mirror dimension. Or he opens a portal to male them endlessly fall, just like he did to Loki
@@gotzmoneywayne8216 saiyans can fly so falling wouldn’t work and strange just isnt fast enough to get them with that but lets assume he is as explained in the video saiyans can break through magic with just physical power + it probably wouldn’t work anyway as he could’ve done this with thanos or wanda but didnt for a very good reason as it would’ve failed
Nappa: "Vegeta, what does the scouter say about his power level?!"
Vegeta: "It's... 1006, kick his ass, Nappa"
I was looking for the DBZA reference
@@oni-tenshi8734 I had the scouter upside-down
@@MrMooagi977 "It's over 9000!!!"
Fun fact in Japanese version it was 8000
1 broly would annihilate this planet
I love that a Saiyan “invasion” is just two of them showing up 😂
For them sending a baby alone is considered an invasion.
@night1952 that's how you know your race is OP
Anyone of them could conquered a planet, which they have done before, takes 3 days at most
Saiyan infants conquer planets. Lol.
And those are the low born saiyans
think of it this way. 2 of them showing up is equal to 29%-33% of the entire race showing up! (depending on if you count movie Saiyans)
The worst part about all of this: Even if Vegeta was defeated, a certain Emperor would be very intrigued by whatever managed to kill his Saiyan soldiers…
@spooderderg4077 With no super sand legend or Kakacarrotcake, Frieza gonna make them have to pee sitting down
@spooderderg4077 Man's went out fighting against a dude who he knew he stood absolutely 0 chance against and was enslaved by for basically his entire life. How is that going out like a bitch? That's like calling some skinny dude who weighs 130 pounds and has the balls to square up with Mike Tyson a bitch when he gets knocked out.
yeah cuz frieza and his army mopping the whole mcu
Frieza would literally not care lol
@@Gumbino Frieza still gathered info about the Dragon Balls and Namek from the little info the Saiyans got, if he learned about the Infinity Stones he definitely would change course to get them all. Frieza would see the power they all offer together as something better then Immortality most likely, since he controls elements not even a single Kai or God of Destruction in Dragon Ball could match alone. Time being the first one that comes to mind, since no one but Angels can just reverse time, and theyre shut down once their God of Destruction is killed. Space offers instant transmission across all space essentially. Reality, Soul, and Mind would probably have some crazy uses, but Power would basically make Frieza a God of Destruction by default.
**coughs blood** "Tony, did we beat Goku?.. "
"That was Yajirobe, Cap..."
😂
yajirobe could beat them
Hahahahahahahaha
He was so strong they had to nerf him in sparking zero
Yo dragon ball sparking zero pre nerf yajirobe would x the entire marvel verse with his senzu bean 😂
"Vegeta, what does the Scouter say about his power level?"
"It's over 9!"
"Maybe I turned it off by accident, wait....AHAHAHA THE SCOUTER WAS ON THE ENTIRE TIME!"
It’s… only 1006. Go ahead, Nappa.
Underrated comment! 😂
@@Rizzob17*painful Nappa Sounds*
@@Rizzob17 tfss reference yayy
Anybody else remember how effortlessly Nappa turned a city into a glass floor? Or how at that point they could just destroy planets?
The MCU avengers are no where near that. By the time Nappa and Vegeta show up, blowing up the moon isn't a big deal.
Master roshi who was in his prime had the max power level of 200 and he destroeyd the moon with a kamehameha wave, even if we highball the avengers they have no chance
@@aintiwrong5201 that was old roshi who had power lvl of 130
hoever as seen with goku (raditz fight) kamehameha can output more than double of your power lvl so roshi might have charged that blast to have power lvl of 300+
but still nappa had power lvl of 4000 and vegeta 18k
if sayians showed up on marvel earth that would be one side massacre
@aintiwrong5201
When he charged up to his Max/Full power he had a power level of something akin to 1500, I think. But it left him pretty gassed.
Yeah, but DB and DBZ power scaling has always been MASSIVELY inconsistent and it's hard to compare it to anything else. The moon is something like one third of the size of earth and still it requires absurd amounts of force to blow it up like Piccolo and Master Roshi did in the earlier parts of DB/DBZ. They destroy the moon like it's no problem (and as if the moon can just reform without causing any mass scale imbalances on the planet) and then the big Frieza feat was to destroy Namek, Piccolo's home planet at the peak of his power. And he still had to charge his energy for a while to be able to destroy it. Personally, I don't consider any of the moon busting feats cannon at that stage of the series and only when characters reached Frieza/SS1 Goku levels of power can they be said to actually destroy planets or moons. If they did in the past it was just Toriyama being funny.
@@astroman0500 You can't just say something's canon just because you don't agree with it lol. There's ton of statements and feats to prove characters could destroy planets before SS1 and Final Form Freiza appeared.
At first I thought they could hold their own but I forgot how OP early vegeta was…..
Bro literally could erase Earth which is insane and his durability exceeds his raw power.
Not to mention how ruthless og vegeta was. He prolly killed nappa again too. I wanna see a marvel vs frieza aka frieza army vs thanos army
@@ryleeevans6211yeah ngl, Thanos can only hope the gauntlet wipes out Frieza in the dusting, otherwise Frieza would just 1 shot all of Endgame put together
@@IloveStarr still i wanna see the ginyu force throw down and maybe get a cool body swap in
The earth is db is 2x bigger than the regular earth in marvel
The Avengers: try to do their thing.
Nappa: * lifts two fingers *
Thor, Hulk and Captain Marvel can give Vegeta and Nappa a run for their money. Also don't forget Hulk got stronger every time he gets angry. And Thor and Ms Marvel can give Vegeta a problem.
@@quincykearney9862did you forget that raditz can destroy planets with a finger and Nappa is way stronger than him? Roshi solos
So do you think Vegeta can beat the almighty powerful god Odin in a one on one fight.
@@quincykearney9862 with ease
@@kingofdragons2552
What I'm saying is there's no way that Vegeta and Nappa would not win in a fight against Hulk, Thor and Ms Marvel. Especially if we are going with the Saiyan saga version of Vegeta. Vegeta is powerful but there's no way that he is able to beat Hulk. Especially the anger Hulk gets and the stronger he becomes.
Especially if Vegeta turns into his giant ape form. Hulk was still wrecked Vegeta. Especially in Thor Ragnarok when Hulk fights the giant Wolf and the giant fire god. So what make you think that hope will not have a problem with Vegeta and his ape form.
Its incredible because even Raditz who is incredibly weak in the DB-verse would be an actual serious and powerfull threat that could easily wipe out most avengers.
Well, he *WAS* a threat in his first appearance.
Just most of them tbh. Thor and Hulk and Captain America plus Xmen might give him trouble
@@johnnymoreno5065cap would be weaker than kid goku
@@johnnymoreno5065nappa one shotting almost every last X-Men member. Unfortunately. Even Dark Phoenix not walking away from a punch from Nappa
@@eyeballtreehouse111yeah only Omega level mutants and above would stand a chance, several Alpha level mutants might be able to bring down Raditz but against Nappa and Vegeta they'd definitely need an Omega at the very least.
Let’s not forget vegetas durability in the sayain saga was crazy. Taking kamehameha from a kaioken x 4 goku and a spirit bomb and still standing.
Yes bby
and let's not forget that Thor bodied a pulsar from a neutron star which is far more energy than the Sun puts out and that killed Cooler in his final form.
Can we just mention we are putting the peak of the Avengers against a "beginner" level Vegeta
vegeta and friezas durability is frightening
@@Jake-cm9jj If you mean that forge scene, I wouldn't say he bodied that. He was practically dead after. Impressive he lasted a few seconds but it wasn't a breeze for him at all. And I mean Master Roshi and early Piccolo are out here blowing up moons FROM EARTH, not even going up into space for it, That Thor feat isn't looking as unreachable.
Man, the moment it was hinted they’d struggle with Nappa was when I knew they had next to no chance. Vegeta is an absolute menace even in early DBZ and wouldn’t hesitate the nuke the entire battlefield if it meant getting rid of the “weaklings” not worth his time. Those that remain lack the raw power to keep up
Not battlefield. Planet. Vegeta wouldn't hesitate to nuke the entire planet if his insecurities appears.
@@phloriaernas2149ep. He literally tried to and was only stopped by Goku pushing kaioken beyond it’s safe limits and basically disabling himself afterward . MCU avengers ain’t got a Goku level threat lol
@@phloriaernas2149 I say battlefield because as explained in the video Vegeta and Nappa’s objective requires Earth to remain intact otherwise they risk destroying the Infinity Stones. I’m well aware Vegeta can casually destroy planets, especially if we take the anime incarnation of his character. Honestly, I personally think Nappa by himself is enough to take down the Avengers during End Game. Vegeta is just overkill
@@123GOHANZvegeta was willing to destroy earth just because goku hurt his pride
@@FemboiMars This is rarely mentioned, but he also tries the same shit again on Namek against Frieza in their duel, but the Emperior stopped the attack and kicked it into outer space.
They would struggle to beat Yamcha in a bad mood.
They wouldn’t be Yamcha no matter the mood lol.
Yeah the cinematic universe of marval is weak as hell compared to the comics. The comics might kick there ass but the cinematic? They are completely destroyed@@Milkboy14
@@TahaGhavidel-l8e Not even in comics... Yamcha at this stage moves almost light speed, and he is slower than vegeta and nappa... the amount of power in DB is massive, theres no chance to anyone in Marvel to defeat the top 10 characters of the original DB of Toriyama. Maybe Tao Pai Pai, Piccolo Daimao, Little Goku, will be defeateble, but again, you dont have characters that powerfull even in marvel comics.
@@matuvarela3760pretty sure comics avengers are cosmic level or higher at their peak i love db but most of the cast is getting cooked by comics avengers
Dont even get me started on DC the powerscaling there is outrageous😂
@@gabrisgamer450 yeah, thats the funny part. in DB most of the cast doesnt matter, against goku i dont think they had a chance.
Remember when Ultron built a doomsday trigger to level an entire city? Nappa did that with just two fingers and he is only a fraction as strong as Vegeta, who can obliterate a planet with similar ease.
I was looking for this comment.
You do realize by destroying the planet vegeta would die however Thor would survive😂
@@KingGoji-m1r3Are you stupid? Saiyans can't breathe in space.
@@Lumina-sd1en Welp, i doubt he would still survive if he's the one who's gonna take on his face like a true porno star the Earth Splitting Galick Gun that will destroy the planet 💀
@KingGoji-m1r3 vegeta needs air to breathe. But like when he destroyed the bug planet he'd just do it from his pod.
It went from "Could the Avengers stop the Saiyans?" To "Could The Avengers Survive The Saiyans?"
More like survive Nappa
Might as well narrow it down to either Thor and hulk.
@@charlesloftin8768This version of Hulk and Thor would NEVER.
The simple fact that Hulk got OMEGA NERFED becoming a buff Redditor is lame as fuck, he also got beat by Thanos and The Hulk buster, HULK HAS NEVER LOST TO THE HULK BUSTER, you can only contain the Hulk, not beat him.
And this version of Thor is probably one of his weakest.
Nappa alone could easily beat both.
@@streptococo4735 World-Breaker Hulk could probably take on Nappa with ease by himself.
@@TheRealZombieWizardNappa alone is overkill to World Breaker Hulk
“Radditz would lose…because if he didn’t the video would be over.”
😂😂😂
I’m fairly certain that the MCU at this point in time could beat Raditz, and I’m saying this as a fan of DBZ.
@@theonewhouploadsnothing1704
Hard to imagine them beating a guy who travels faster than light.
@@Tivolioooo there’s too many “feats” in both to properly judge power levels. Even kid goku dodging light is ironically super dodgy to assume. The only confirmed technique that goku has that is FTL is instant transmission. Without it then most attacks aren’t faster than light, just faster than the basic human can comprehend.
Plus there enough magic as said that could probably take him down
@@theonewhouploadsnothing1704 I understand that these thing are weird, but it is still very explicitly stated that they are moving faster than light.
But okay, let's assume they don't. They are still so close to the speed of light that normal people can't see them at all.
Raditz is still fast enough to kill all avengers who are not insanely durable in a miniscule fraction of a second. The rest of that second he could use to absolutely pummel the rest.
None of them are fast enough to do shit to him.
Now, they could beat him if they had prep time AND he doesn't instantly go into killing mode.
4:44 did you forget that a nine times weaker master roshi did actually destroy the moon? There is no way in hell that any avenger can be even close to touching raditz
A half dead Saibaman could one-shot the MCU Avengers.
did you forget that power levels vary in DBZ depending on how much output they put out so Roshi is definitely holding back
@777guy1 Roshi isn't close to Raditz in power, though.
@@777guy1 There is no way DBZ Roshi beats Raditz
I really love the idea of someone doing a typical marvel one liner only to immediately lose an arm to nappa. Kinda makes you think about how generous marvel villains can be with not crippling the heroes
true, like if Captain America says "I can do this all day" and Nappa blasts his arm off.
Dude it's MCU not Marvel Comics , if it was the Comics Wanda can one shot all of them especially if you pissed her off and their isn't anything they could do about it because they'll be mentally too messed up and physically . And unlike other Alien races saiyans pride typically gets them killed . Bearus or Whis even stated that if the saiyans worked together they'll undoubtedly reach much higher feats but oh well .
The Entire Avengers wouldn't be necessary if we're talking about Comic versions since Wanda can kill them .
@@joshuaware818if we're talking manga versions Xeno Vegeta wips the floor with wanda💀
Lol dbz villains act the same way, frieza tried to flex on goku by using one arm and cell once attaining perfection decided to hold a tournament for fun.
@@joshuaware818bro brought up comic versions of the avengers as if there’s no manga versions of DBZ characters, Vegeta easily stomps strongest comic versions of all of the powerhouses, that includes Iron God, World Breaker Hulk, Rune King Thor, Darkhold Strange and Darkhold Scarlet Witch, all of whom get decimated by Ultra Ego Vegeta who scales far above universal+, and even if all of them worked together somehow beats UE they’re not getting through Xeno Vegeta 😂
Short answer: no.
Long answer: absolutely fucking not.
H h HELL NAH
🥴🥴🥴🥴
@@Rickcope2075You too brother
@@NegaZxyzAll of us ❤
Wrong. Thor tanked a star goku post sayian saga was about to die to a star.
I feel like there biggest problem with the Saiyans is that their abilities are super versatile. The avengers can do one or two things really well, but every Saiyan basically has a similar power set to captain marvel, but with the ability to train that power to increase.
That a fact they actually have a lot of different powers if u put into perspective they can literally do anything shit even goku has telekinesis
@@monkeykingss4luffy786
I haven't seen Goku or other Saiyans do anything 5th dimensional or greater. Unlike their omnipotent one, the Saiyans are just very strong people who can adapt and grow stronger... If Freeza didn't wipe them out.
Punching reality and shattering the multiverse isn't that impressive from my perspective. But infinite other characters from fiction can do this already.
More so in Marvel Comics...
@@monkeykingss4luffy786
Except Immortality... Goku can still die and it's not like he can defy death when the afterlife isn't necessarily trying to stop him. He just cannot die and return from the spirit realm too often. Otherwise, that would bring his acts of resurrection into question, outside of a wish from the Dragon Balls.
@@absolstoryoffiction6615 its not about comics, if u add that up then we can add Xeno Goku lmfao
@@codem5285
Is Xeno Goku cannon to the main continuity of Dragon Ball Z?
Again... Reality Punching characters are not unique in Marvel Comics.
In terms of the shows... I mean the anime, not the manga... And the MCU has always been weaker in comparison to the comics.
(Xeno Goku is an alternate timeline of Base Goku, who is nigh omnipotent in power as a fighter, given his battles. DBz Goku (continuity Goku) on the other hand, is not close to Xeno Goku by a long shot.)
Fun fact: Nappa's canon stated powerlevel is 4000 but shown much more closer to Goku's 8000.
In both the Manga and Anime Goku dogwalks Nappa until Vegeta tells him to get his head in the game. And once he does he performs much better and even Goku says that the fight could go either way. So Nappa COULD scale higher when he actually locks in
I would love if somebody animated this. It would be so tragic. After all the death and sacrifices it would take to put Nappa down, Vegeta would just casually walk towards them, congratulate them before destroying the planet.
Death Battle did Thor vs Vegeta.
@@YungFrenchToastythat comic Thor not that movie thor
They can't take nappa down
Nappa alone would probably take most them out
@@stephinshepard5067idk about Hulk cuz he's powerful in the comics
I think it adds greater perspective in favor of the Saiyans when you consider that Roshi was the first in the series to blow up the moon.
Yeah he completely overlooked that focusing on piccolo and Goku's destruction of the Moon. Dragon Ball Z started off with the roster pretty much at planetary levels. It's actually comical how ridiculously overpowered the cast of that show is in comparison to typical media
@@SkinnyRob basically the 2nd arc, DB are already dealing with moon busters (hell, roshi blowing up the moon can actually be calculated to be planet to large planet level due to how fast and how thorough the destruction is), this kinda outscales most of the series until they hit their late game
@@SkinnyRobThe main problem is, power level/scaling doesn't make any sense in DB.
First, let's think about how Krillin and Roshi (Jackie Chun) had a fight so fast, nobody saw it happen and they had to reenact it. Now, this could also have just been a joke to amuse the audiance.
However, we also had Goku steal Roshi's sunglasses during Tien's Solar Flare, which we could argue is a light-technique, and therefore, being able to move over to Roshi, steal the glasses, putting them on himself (and I think even returning to his original place) could be considered FTL-combat speed.
Now, to the power scaling itself? (Not going to include the DBZ-Movies, as these are not really canon and don't fit in the timeline either)
These data should be according to offical sources provided by Toriyama himself:
Roshi in his youth: 25
Before Korin Training: 30
After Korin Training: 60
Roshi Prime: 75
Meeting Goku: 50 (also true for 21 Tenkaichi as Jackie Chun)
Roshi MAX Power (when he get's all buff): 80 (also true for 21 Tenkaichi as Jackie Chun)
Roshi MAX Power Kamehameha: 180 (also true for 21 Tenkaichi as Jackie Chun)
Red Ribbon Army Saga: 69
RRAS Max Power: 110
RRAS Max Power Kamehameha: 135 (why weaker as before? Who knows)
As Jackie Chun 22. Teknaichi: 139 (he actually trained for that I think)
Jackie Chun 22T "serious": 180
Jackie Chun 22T Kamehameha: 220
Roshi "serious" vs King Piccolo: 180
Saiyan Saga: 139
Cell Saga: 690+
Buu Saga: 960
Battle of the Gods: 1.300
Revival of F: 1.350
Tournament of Power: 42.500.000
ToP "serious: 55.000.000
ToP MAX Power: 69.000.000
ToP MAX Power Kamehameha: 139.000.000
ToP Beyond Limits (Kamehameha): 169.000.000
Especially the jump from the start of DBS to the Tournament of Power makes simply no sense, and if he could actually gain so much power in a short time, he should have trained with Korin after learning of King Piccolo coming back and he would have wiped the floor with him.
@@MikaeruDaiTenshiyeah it never made sense why he was able to keep up even in Revival of F because as far as we know he hasn’t done any training since DB
@@QuigleTheGnome Yea, why I prefer DB and DBZ over Super.
DBZ already had insane progression and the power levels never really meant anything after Goku became SSJ, maybe even before that.
But the later Z and all in Super makes no sense Powerwise.
Vegeta at this arc is just too damn cold, he'd kill them all without a second thought. He isn't like Thanos where he toyed and entertained them. He'd blow the planet up just because. Also factoring in he still works for Freeza at this point. IF they managed to win over the Saiyans, they wouldn't win against THIS purple alien.
Vegeta literally let Nappa toy with the Earthlings in the saiyan saga for shits and giggles when he could've just killed them all on the spot, spending Saibamen they didn't need to spend when Nappa solo-ed them all without much struggle, he also graced them with time until Goku arrived to the scene to fight him himself, he's evil but also very very prideful during this saga, ruthless yes, but he does play with his food if he doesn't feel seriously threatened.
@@danello9091 I have no insight on Vegeta´s ideas on magic, but i think he would panic at what Strange and Scarlet Witch can do and take fastest option. IIRC he made Gohan transform into an ape for shits and giggles (and also to torture Goku a bit) cause he felt confident after wiping the floor with the rest of the Fighters Z, its a tricky scenario...
@@ShadowBeetlebruh, the witch and strange cannot get their powers off fast enough. They would lose to raditz
@@ShadowBeetle weird dbz downplay.
Saibamen are probably tappin tf out of a lot of a heroes
UNLESS im miss interpreting, you kinda let it as if it wasn't totally sure if Raditz was moon buster level, right? Well theres no doubt he is, in the original db Master Roshi destroy the moon with a Kamehameha to stop Goku Ozaru form, and he was only around 250
His full power is about 1500 using kamehameha and shit
@@suigeneris1609 Yeah Roshi is the real master of the Kamehameha and has seemingly perfect Ki control. He can give his entire body's energy into that attack with perfect control. Other people may have a more powerful Kamehameha but nobody can scale their power with it like Roshi.
I don’t think they’d be able to put down Vegeta either. Keep in mind he also tanked Goku’s Kamehameha which was many times stronger than a planet busting attack. He can take one hell of a beating
Vegeta just needs to lift a finger at this point
@@alanbrown901Thor outclasses vegeta tho
@@Federal_Bureau_of_Investigatiomcu Thor doesnt
@@Federal_Bureau_of_Investigatio Insane person statement. Pause your mouth, gang
@@Federal_Bureau_of_Investigatiomcu Thor gets bitched by yamcha, cmon now
i find it mildly amusing to imagine vegeta just chilling in the background waiting to see if nappa can take out a team of like 40 superheroes (the avengers)
and if nappa gets overwhelmed and somehow killled,vegeta just points 2 fingers and blows up the planet with little effort
Scarlet Witch deletes Vegeta from existence
@@happyfatherof5164 in infinity war? Hell nah
What fingers? [post infinity war]
@@Dipj01 Vegeta: GALICK GUN!
@@happyfatherof5164if she could do that why couldnt she do that to the mid avengers in the alternate universe
You forgot to mention one thing: nappa's techniques. Nappa had a technique that only requires lifting two of his fingers and he can wipe out an entire city and turn it to wasteland. That technique alone can wipe out most wakandan warriors and most human heroes (except for vibranium armor wearing heroes like black panther and Iron man, but they will emerge heavily injured). Nappa also got a mouth blast technique that can caught some heroes off guard and completely kill them (your choice to which heroes he can do this to). And by the time the heroes have dispatched nappa, most of them were already dead or rendered unable to fight due to too much injuries. Only some powerhouses like captain marvel, wanda, strange, thor, etc. will be left on the battlefield. Even if strange makes a barrier to protect them, vegeta is more than strong enough to destroy and bypass their defenses. If somehow the remaining heroes got the best of vegeta, vegeta can always resort on the galick gun, which is strong enough to destroy the earth. And non of the heroes, even captain marvel and thor, have enough power to beam clash the galick gun and they'll easily lose. The only scenario I can see the avengers winning is when Strange resorts to using the time stone and make better strategies.
Okay but Thors hammer though and the worthiness enchantment. Then again Hela was able to shatter it so its likely Nappa could too.
@@RustedBuddy5192 Mjölnir was broken by Hela and only retrieved via Time Travel. Love & Thunder restored it, that's true, but that's way after Endgame.
The Saiyan's already won, chill out bro....
Black panthers suit nor iron mans is surviving a nuke….period. Black panther was hurt when he was hit by a grenade launcher and a rhino….a nuke is gonna shred that suit. And iron man has tanked middles before…but none that strong..
The power scaling, particularly in regard to speed, is very very wrong in this video. The avengers cap out at low tier superhuman, aka building to city block buster. They don't have the offensive power to harm Dragonball Z episode 1 Krillin outside of magic, much less Nappa.
Thor: “Catch this, big guy!” *throws Mjolnir
Nappa: “Ok!”
Vegeta: “No, Nappa! It’s a trick!”
Nappa: “But Vegeta…Trix are for kids!”
Vegeta: “…You know what, Nappa? Catch it. Catch it with your teeth.”
Nappa: “Yay! Like a doggie!”
I find it weird how dodging lasers is considered faster than light...
The way I see it, they're not necessarily outpacing the laser itself, but simply dodging out of the way of where the laser is being aimed quickly enough that the shooter is unable to react in time to adjust his aim
Yup. You simply need to have reflexes quicker than the shooter. This is how pilots in Gundam dodge beams.
I was thinking the exact same thing
Yea I agree, because then if someone got out of the way quickly enough from a car that’s going 60mph, you wouldn’t say that person was moving as fast as the car.
you are all wrong because if I am aiming a light speed weapon directly at you and you react to the light speed beam and avoid it before it hits you, you are effectively reacting at faster than light speeds to the beam.
@@Maddenlegend4ever but I'm not reacting to the beam, I'm reacting to you before you pull the trigger
I like when we get reminded that, way before OP stuff like super saiyans, androids and Cell were introduced, the Saiyans from the same name saga were excedingly powerful, even Raditz. Remember, a Eartling farmer (and farmers are not the weakest people around, they would kick my ass) is only a 5. 5! And Raditz the «weak» is 1200.
Yeah tbh most people have a power level of like 3 to 7 at best, maybe 7 for martial artists(regular ones, like mike tyson, not dragon ball martial artists like goku, Thor might have a power level of a couple hundred but he's also probably one of the Avenger's heavy hitters
A farmer with a shotgun no less
@@umbralowl i read that 30 is the limit of normal humans with convetional training, i remember brunce lee on the original DB series was 30 and kid goku beat him with one punch
@@thereynaldosan7695We don't have confirmation as to how high normal humans get without ki training. But it's very likely that it's very low, considering that Daizenshuu 7 put Kid Goku who could lift cars and tank bullets at a measly 10 units
@@AdrianMartinez-qy2ds My uncle do it all the time so I think 10 power is right for that
bro finessed me into watching a video i already knew the answer to. well played brother, well played
😂😂😂 we were all in the same boat, brother.
Nappa had the power of a themonuclear weapon in his fingertips and even then he was be conservative with his energy usage and still wiped out the city.
The only Avangers member that lasts a second longer than the others is Stark.
Real asf😭
So who wins lol
@@thehornyewok5176Obviously the Saiyans
You forgot about the unbeatable win con, "Vegeta, I've come to bargain."
Let's not forget that Nappa also had his tail when he came to Earth, if he really wanted to, we could just transform when he's backed into a corner
Although I think Nappa would win, he wouldn't be able to transform without a moon in view. Vegeta probably wouldn't help him transform either.
@@timevalentime1806I think he also has the ability to create a moon
@@timevalentime1806 I just assume that Nappa knew how to do it since he was always with Vegeta, Nappa probably just couldn't do it because Goku's strength caught him off guard
@@timevalentime1806 there was no moon destroyed by piccolo in this scenario, so the moon is intact
@Julio_Cezar1604 the moon would still have to be in view. If it's not in the sky at the time of the attack it wouldn't be a factor.
If you watched the saiyan saga, then you would know how dangerous Vegeta was. He could erase the planet. It took Goku and others everything they had. He tanked large amounts of damage like the Kaioken powered Kamehameha and Spirit Bomb. The Stamina and durability he had was insane.
Yes when I was 6 and I watched the show I had the tense within me when I watched the show
@@gogeta4341Vegeta was pretty powerful in the Saiyan Saga
Vegeta ain't beating no fucking scarlet witch nor ms marvel. The hulk would reck him
@@akainuthegoat6312not MCU versions
@@akainuthegoat6312 Scarlet may have magic and Ms marvel has huge strength and energy and hulk has brute strength but Vegeta is not a joke. He has strength, precision, speed and intelligence. Not to mention insane stamina and durability. The three of them may be really strong but inevitably they wont be able to beat Vegeta.
Something that alot of people miss, including Vegeta himself sometimes, is that the big V was our first planet-killer and beat Goku in a fair fight. Yeah, he didn't like that Goku grew alot stronger, later, but he did actually win, the first time.
>Beat Goku in a fair fight
>Fair fight
Vegeta was fighting Goku, Gohan, Krillin and Yajirobi at the same time. 4 on 1 isn't exactly what I would call fair. 1v1 Vegeta easily poops on Goku in that fight.
@@thefool7353 Okay, four-on-one isn't a straight-up fair fight. Vegeta was mainly struck down by a few X-factors, like sneak-attacks by Yajirobi and having to deal with Oozaru Gohan. Everything else - from Kaioken to Spirit Bomb - Vegeta completely tanked. But yes, Vegeta shouldn't feel as bad as he does sometimes about Goku's strength. He beat Goku within an inch of his life, and Saiyans bounce back Had he thought about it for a second, he would've realized that Goku obviously wanted strength badly enough to train up to the level he next saw him in. And frankly, if he really believed in his own elite status that much, then he shouldn't have worried, because he knew that he'd get that high, as well.
@@thefool7353 well vegeta wasn't fighting all 4 of them until he turn into a giant gorilla. Goku was holding his own against vegeta until he transform.
the big V
@@rllydude3600 When a short-but-impressively-powerful guy that can benchpress a continent comes your way, you'd better be stronger or be prepared to curb the short jokes.
As someone who knows little to nothing about Marvel and watched none of the movies, i did not expect this to be so close.
“No Dragon Balls? Oh.”
*Blows up planet*
“Let’s go, Nappa!”
It's worth mentioning that Master Roshi... by himself... is a setting ending catastrophe that most fictions don't really have an answer to. He's weak, for DBZ, but he's still very able to blow up moons. If you can blow up a moon, you can blow up 1/3 of the earth (which basically destroys the earth)
And his power level is like 162
@williamwolfstein6170 did you get that from the scooter bulma rebuilt from raditz? I was wondering how strong buff master roshi is. I feel he was stronger than krillin for sure.
@@boratwilson9916 So there's all sorts of sources for Roshi's power levels, so take this with a grain of salt.
He certainly was stronger than Krillin when they first met, but it's stated that his power level when he blows up the moon is 125, and krillin at that time is 65. When Roshi fights Demon King Piccolo with the Mafuba and Kamehameha he gets to 180.
Roshi was at 139 in the Saiyan Saga, but to be fair he was not in Max Power State (When he grows all the muscles) and was just lying in a beach chair. Krillin at this time was at 1770 when he powered up fully.
After the Cell Saga he decides to resume training, and it's stated he does so with Puar (and I think Corin?) and in Resurrection F he can take on 170 Frieza Force soldiers in his Max Power State. When Krillin fought (and lost) against Freiza Force soldiers in the Namek saga he was at 75,000. This implies Roshi would be MUCH stronger than that in Resurrection F... What I found online is 1.5 Million.
After this the numbers just get crazy.
He WAS able to mimic Ultra Instinct against Jiren without much difficulty in the manga... so there's that, and I've seen 7.5 sextillion quoted... but at this point power levels are kind of stupid. Roshi could likely just destroy Galaxies at that level.
@@henrychurch6062 roshi moon level was outlier
@@henrychurch6062 theres no way the jiren "fight" actually scales to master roshi's power level. all he was doing was optimizing his movements so he could avoid a suppressed jiren's attacks despite the immense difference in speed.
I'm a Marvel fan too, but before that I'm a huge Dragon Ball fanatic first. And I remember this one scene from DBZ I think showing King Vegeta casually waving his hand in order to destroy maybe a couple of small planets, if I remember it correctly.
I mean, that alone shows how big the gap is regarding their power levels. Before Wanda can even wave her fingers, a base Vegeta IV would have already blitzed her to her demise.
That was a filler
But still it's accurate considering how Picolo destroyed the moon effortlessly
@@mohamedkhider6998it’s filler but the feats are canon
Mcu*
@@Sorcererzz *Marvel
Even as a kid, I've always been drawn more into Spider-Man and the X-Men in general way before MCU happened (or even Raimi's Spidey trilogy & Singer's X-Men trilogy happened). So no, I'm not just a "movie fan."
@terrorazeing those are movies? So yes you are. The comics have better stories and the characters are way more versatile with their powers
Scaling any of the Avengers to planetary is just so stupid.
I was hoping to see this, whole video doesn’t make sense
Thor, Hulk and Ironman (with a robotic army)
And don't forget Dr. Strange
Imagine you gather all the avengers through the portals, tens of dozens to maybe even hundreds of people show up to fight this (it'd be more here since half the universe wouldn't be wiped), and the weaker enemy raises 2 fingers, killing all but 5 or so people there.
That sounds fucking boring.
LOL exactly. Why is this even a question?
I don’t need to spend 9 mins watching this.
Yamcha and Krillin could destroy the MCU Avengers themselves.
Look at Ragnarok. A drunk Valkyrie was able to subdue the God of Thunder with a taser. And she was able to treat The Hulk like a dog by making him play fetch.
@cheesesteakphilly And Goku got shot down by some scrub in Resurrection F. Neither of these universes are remotely consistent when it comes to power scaling.
@@sumanoskaeYet that scrub would easily beat anybody in the mcu.
@@sumanoskae I think it's more about ki. Their base defence is although super human not that durable but with their ki they can stack defence even tho it can be the same body stacking something like god ki can handle more damage as long as he got ki barrier and ki are pretty versatile, it can stab or cut people clean like a sword or blind them. But still Goku taking damage when not on guard is BS.
This actually lined up perfectly with what I thought when I read the title. They could handle Raditz. MAYBE Nappa if they really brought their A game, but there would be two or three casualties at least, and then the second Vegeta stepped up, they'd be finished. And that's even if you did them a solid and gave them time to recover from their injuries and somehow bring back the ones that died fighting Nappa.
They stand 0 chance against Raditz imo, They aren't even able to see him with how fast he moves, and 1 punch explodes even Thor.
@@CalebScott1991that's too much
@CalebScott1991 that's what I'm saying he highballed TF out of the avengers. Ironman metal getting obliterated and caps just a super human and hulk ain't strong enough u gotta pray doc or Wanda can send his ass to another dimension before he attacks.
Don’t forget the Saibaman
@@alyrics6584 Thor comics you right but mcu nah he getting smoked
Raditz would be a planetary threat and he would kill/incapacitate most of the MCU heroes.
Nappa would steamroll everyone (too fast, too strong, too durable).
Vegeta is not needed, he would just watch as Nappa decimates the heroes and the planet.
Yeah Nappa alone would be like trying to fight 10 Thanos’ with the infinity gauntlet.
nappa soloed like 4 multi planetary fighters low diff
vegeta in great ape form is 45x stronger than that
Raditz definitely dies but he might get some kills under his belt. Considering he is going in alone and will likely get jumped while also being no stronger than a saibaman.
@@fwdooms2540 using power levels, hes around 10x moon level or planetary
@@primisoda1400 which multi planetary characters did nappa solo 😂?
Good job man, I always look at it as a walk through for the Saiyan's. But under the circumstances.. They did good. Great job
Here is the thing: since the Avengers can't know about Saiyan biology they wouldn't only have to face one Great Ape, but two (because they wouldn't have destroyed the Moon)!
Against MCU avengers I really think Raditz can probably take out Iron Man and Strange though Strange could end it early with the right timing with his ability to create portals (Those things were never used to their fullest combat wise).
Honestly the MCU does make scaling a bit difficult since one moment Thor is taking the concentrated heat and radiation of a neutron star to the back than the next he’s actually feeling a punch from anyone. But I e never seen the MCU characters casually unleash city busting attacks the way Nappa or Vegeta can.
Thank you for someone acknowledging that Thor took a neutron star pulsar lol. Pulsars are trillions of times more energy output than the sun puts and the sun killed Cooler when he was pushed into it. Cooler is Freiza final form level, so pretty sure Thor could tank anything Vegeta throws at him.
Also Thor and captain marvel casually destroyed city sized space ships, Thor during Avengers 1 blanketed the portal with lightning destroying a wave of Chautari ships, and that was way before he was Stormbreaker Thor.
Just because they haven't tried to destroy a city, cuz they are heroes, doesn't mean they couldn't if they wanted to.
@@Jake-cm9jjwhat makes you think it's a pulsar it's probably a red giant if anything.
@@bobbob-up5ri A red giant would have been WAAY bigger than that. They are solar system sized.
I think it is a pulsar because we actually see the size of the star, and it is exactly roughly what a neutron star would be. Also pulsars are beams of energy projected from the star JUST like what we see in the movie....It all lines up.
@@Jake-cm9jj fair point I see what you mean with the size however I always assumed it was the mechanism in place that was creating the beam. However In regards to Thor I tanking that blast I think it's more of a showcase of his ability to tank high heat purely for the fact that hulk who I doubt has the same energy output as a pulsar was able to harm Thor.
Doctor Strange made Loki fall for over a half hour. If that was implemented in battle it could be quite useful. I mean against someone in the MCU, Raditz Nappa and Vegeta can fly of course.
The avengers would have trouble against the original red ribbon army.
Yamcha would solo the MCU Avengers except for Thor, I do believe Thor has the potential to tank several energy attacks.
@@eddyram4932 i believe that the top avengers could destroy the earthlings, if its Dr Strange, hulk, scarlet witch, thor and captain marvel i can see them destroy at least tenshinhan chiaotzu krilin and yamcha...
But that would be the end as noone could hope to touch piccolo, as he has some of the strongest ki blasts and the highest recovery of the Z warriors... Also he can become a giant and stretch his arms and with his strenght he could easily stop hulk and thor
@@Perthro77 anyone who cannot move faster than light and survive a planet shattering hit will get rushed and die in one punch. So that eliminates most of the avengers, of the people you list maybe Thor and Captain Marvel can survive those, Dr. Strange is only human even with all his magic, he cannot move faster than light so if he doesn’t see the hit coming he cannot react and protect himself, same goes for Scarlet Witch. By the early Dragon Ball episodes people like Krilin, Tien and Yamcha were already moving faster than light since normal people would not see them move at all.
@@Perthro77brother ur trippin, krillen and tien were in the tournament of power😂 maybe saiyan saga krillen would get wiped, but krillen after being blown up and revived? solo’s the mcu with such ease it’s laughable, yall be sleeping on that mf but bro is easily the strongest human ever, bro could tear hulks arms off and beat his ass with them, same with thanos, even big ass galactic big ass getting pieced up by ToP krillen, dbz power scaling is on a completely different level
Considering how they trashed the remnants of Hydra in Age of Ultron, I'd say only Blue; Silver, Black and Tao Pai Pai would be any real obstacles. Cap alone would probably mop the floor with the red ribbon mooks like he did with the Hydra mooks in First Avenger.
That was a generous take because if Nappa was even struggling slightly he would ask vegeta if he could turn into a great ape 🦍 😂
I don’t really agree with the speed scaling. You really shouldn’t use travel speed to compare to combat speed. Thanos capturing captain marvel can either be an inconsistency or her just not being able to reach full speed. Due to the way quicksilver died and how others compared to him, we know MCU characters don’t really scale that far past mach speeds for combat/reaction time. And this is consistent with the rest of the verse for the most part. Based on this, Raditz even if he’s not at planet busting would just blitz everyone else.
Raditz has proven super liminal combat speed feats when he dodged piccolo’s special beam canon.
@@WaveForceful
Yeah DB characters are pretty damn quick. Unfortunately I just don’t really understand how you can actually scale MCU characters past mach. Quickersilver being mach speeds in the MCU isn’t just some minor one off outlier, it’s a big deal considering he died to bullets. MCU characters are pretty slow for the most part.
Also Roshi blew up the moon at a power level of like 150 ish in the 21st world tournament so that auto puts him at moon level
Planet vegeta was noted to had 10x the gravity of earth which is already putting the Saiyans at a huge speed advantage. Makes sense as to why they can fly as well.
As a DB fan, I'm not actually sure the characters are FTL? Ackshually, FTL travel first of all leads to time paradoxes... I think of it as the characters move at very close fractions to the speed of light, maybe being that fast eventually? Hmm. Like at least super saiyan. Hit seems like the only character possibly ftl or when they get there. Anyone with guide info or something would be appreciated, but even then those can be a bit inconsistent
😭 both Nappa and Vegeta are casual planet busters, and both can transform into Ozaru that increases their power tenfold 😭 the MCU's Avengers never even get past Raditz
Facts. I can even give them the benefit of the doubt against Radditz but there will definitely be some casualties. They wouldn’t do any better against Nappa than the Z warriors did, if they even make it past the cybamen.
@@mackattackgameclips4648 Thor and Iron Man would have to do what Goku and Piccolo did to defeat Raditz.
@@MK_ULTRA420 Loool not even close. Roshi blew up the moon with a power level of 139. Raditz is 1500, nearly 11x stronger. They can't hit him because he's faster than light and they also die in one hit if he uses a serious attack. It's an EZW for him. 😂😂
Nah they could wipe a planet out but not destroy it
wish someone could animate this fight!!
I do like how he made it a point to use the MCU versions of the avengers and not just a mesh of the MCU and comics. The MCU versions of the characters seem a bit less godly and would actually be the underdogs in this fight. As for the comic versions of the avengers, thats a completely different story IMO....
Indeed.
Comic book version would most likely stomp
@@odd02yea they’d clap raditz and base vegeta ofc, but what be way difficult is saiyan + vegeta in all the forms he’s achieved now including ultra ego. This alone could clap all the avengers at will as ultra ego is a different spectrum of power that the avengers don’t have, even world breaker hulk which would be their best shot would not stand a chance
Theirs no point in going down that thought process because, this is the weakest version of all the DBZ characters, and if you know anything about even BASE DBZ then you know its over.
Take it with a grain salt, but Death Battle did a match up between Vegeta and Thor and it was said that Thor would win. Most of the avengers wouldn't stand a chance against most saiyans, but Thor honestly would slap most if not all of them in a 1v1. Thor is busted af.
Before I clicked on this video it's all the title I was laughing my a## off at the fact that the avengers thought that they could beat the Saiyans
"Alright, the MCU Avengers are down. Send in the Comic variants."
but then you can also just say the same thing abt dbz's variants then its over
@@BlurpEnsteinwym? The manga and anime aren't that different in terms of power levels.
@@BlurpEnstein Blud, Comics>>>Manga
@@9s322 Says the guy who hasn't read most manga. You know there are like over ten manga character (technically video game characters) that neg diff Marvel and DC though dragon ball isn't the part of the group
@@Makishima_kun Exactly, leaving Goku aside... there are lot of characters that solos Thor. But Goku is not anything but a extremely overrated fodder. And u're just another fankid feeding the ego of this character.
And then your own fanbase asks why they hate Goku that much lmaooooo.
Oh yeah, "video game" characters counts as "manga" characters. I thought manga and games were different things.
I love the stone cold cut to “Vegeta” lmfao. That was a really funny transition💀. Yeah man
I think one thing is Mis-represented here. While the avengers could tank some high level attacks. Are they able to dish them out? While they could possibly keep up with raditz , beating him is another story since he can tank shots much harder than the Avengers could likely dish out
“Edit”: Here’s some more proof to back my argument ,
Raditz was stated to be faster than the speed of light by Piccolo.
Iron Man & Dr. Strange are not light speed characters.
Raditz could have them dead before even they know what had hit them.
Pretty much this. Using Vegeta as an example, a times 4 kaioken Kamehameha didn't straight up erase hin and take into account that kaioken enhances Gokus battle power, but the Kamehameha also does
Nah they have AP feats that scale higher than their durability and just like every other verse in fiction, their durability is also scaled to their powers, if they can take planet level hits from a being that is durable enough to take planets exploding in his face then they end up damaging and injuring him, that's planet level ap.
@@CerealExperimentsMizuki not sure where you get the durability being scaled to their power from… Iron man took damage from the power stone which can wipe a planet out. But iron man hasn’t proven any planet busting feats… Thanos alone can’t bust a planet. He is strong yes but without the stones he isn’t planet busting in power. We are talking about the MCU here by the way…
When iron man made thanos bleed , the gauntlet was disabled by iron man’s thing he put on thanos’s hand to prevent him from using the stones.
So at max ,
Iron man damaged a very strong person. Definitely not planet busting since again , the stones were inactive.
Totally agree, receiving a hit and doing the hitting are two different skills.
@normanderi And Dragonball characters have consistently shown that they can take more than they give. Again a battered and bruised Vegeta using his last energy took an attack that was a lot stronger than himself. Nearly double his power if not more than
Very good analysis on power scaling, but I think you're discounting what intelligent characters like Iron Man, Dr. Strange and Bruce Banner could prepare in the one year between Raditz and Vegeta.
I’m pretty sure it’s confirmed that Piccolo was only in the 400’s when he blew up the moon (large planet feat). I think pre-Z Goku is also confirmed planet busting capability. And of course Roshi blew up the moon leaving no trace at the end of his fight with Goku in the 1st tournament, and that was a fatigued Roshi doing a quick blast, little charge up, no muscle form. A power level of less than 150.
Raditz is 10x Roshi and 3-4x Piccolo’s power. And the power levels of early dragon ball are logarithmic. Kami at 300 is many times stronger than just 2x Roshi. So Raditz is comfortably large planet level.
Don't forget that it only took Roshi's Kamehameha a few seconds to hit the moon making it near light speed.
@@TheLyingFigure Don't forget that Roshi was worn out after a long fight with goku at that point so he was no were near his full power
@@hollow3450 yeah I'm pretty sure he says something about putting all he had left in that attack but I could be wrong or it's a dubbism
Either way, OG Dragon Ball, let alone early Dragon Ball Z, is broken. (Late DBZ, in the Buu Saga, is CRAZY power levels.)
His power level was in the 300s since he did it in his weighted clothing.
Even Krillen would wipe the floor with them. 😂
Yamcha ?? 😂😂
Krillen is strong you gotta say master roshi instead
Nah I think pre married krillin loses to black widow
@@imverygerbyBut after losing he would probably marry her
@@imverygerby thats major cap 🧢, dragon ball krillin was bullet proof, and could move faster than the eye could see. Black widow getting blitzed
I would love to watch Nappa beat Captain Marvel down.
Me too, buddy. Me too.
Spopovitch vs captain marvel would be 🔥
@@philippecomics4727 or it'd just lead to her getting the girlboss haircut.
Tfs nappa specifically "Aww but vegta i want you to watch me trigger twitter"
I put Marvel around ssj3 Gotenks level in latest movie. Saiyans wouldn't stop her. And i put Thor around Super Perfect Cell. But thor is MUCH slower then the saiyans even in saiyan saga. Same with marvel. At least in combat speed, travel speed aint same. But its just my opinion.
Dr. Strange looking in to the future to find a way to win: "We are f*****".
One thing people forget is that Vegeta on his way to earth nuked a planet to rubble in a moment and not break a sweat.
That's comparable to the scene of the power stone destroying a planet, but Vegeta can just do that easy with ki from his fingers.
thats filler though, didnt actually happen
@@theccarbiter Filler or not, Vegeta actually CAN do that, he even mentioned it in his own mind during supreme Kai explaining Majin Buu during Buu saga.
@@moaangol5915 he mentioned he could blow up a planet during the buu saga ? Bro all the z fighters can do that by that point.
@@theccarbiterI do think it is canon that the Saiyan Saga Galick Gun would've destroyed earth if goku couldn't fight back
@@Irreverent_Radiation I doubt it would’ve blown the planet up, great ape vegeta though could’ve
Considering that King Piccolo was easily destroying entire cities with his ki blasts, I think it's safe to say that there is no chance that the Avengers can defeat any of the villains in Dragon Ball Z.
Imo the Avengers could only make it to the Red Ribbon Army saga before they become outclassed.
They'd have to rely on magic hax pretty consistently to deal with anything above Nappa's level.
I love all of you for this😂
Master Roshi blew up the moon on like episode 25 of Dragon Ball. Also Piccolo blew up the moon when he was raising Gohan
Present day red ribbon would absolutely eat their asses with Gamma 1 and 2.
Ot would take characters like Blue Marvel and Sliver Surfer to mess with Z
Also, it's worth mentioning that you never "Destroy" anything in Dragon ball. It's ALWAYS vaporized/erased. There's never particles left over.
For anyone to be considered "Planetary" in DBZ means they are casting thousands of times the energy necessarily to blow up a planet by simply vaporizing it
Also in db, if a character is stronger than another than the stronger characters ki straight up negates the weaker characters abilities. Which means doctor strange and scarlet witch would not be able to do much. Lol Although Akira toriyama and the dragon ball super writing staff some times forget that ki can negate abilities
@@cool2314 They forget everything. Some attacks do work tho. Goku when he went Kaioken x2 vs Ginyu absolutely negated Ginyu with only 60k more energy. All of his attacks just bounced off his aura.
Ginyu only got the body change cuz Goku had his guard down and didn't care to fight.
@@kamuishortsgamer3728 yeah I know i forgot to mention that while ki will negate abilities and techniques most of the time there are a couple exceptions like evil containment wave and buu's candy beam but if one character can increase there ki high enough they can simply over power the attack of the weaker character like how Goku was able to over power Ginyu with kaio Ken and close the power level gap Ginyu had over goku
@@cool2314 oh that’s right! Their abilities rely on spiritual energy, which via verse equalization is the same as Ki. Guess it’s an easy W for Raditz then since he’s FTL and planetary which is way above anything the Avengers have shown in the MCU.
pretty sure when freeza is shown floating in space after the fight, you can see large chunks of namek floating around near him.
"I have seen over 9000 futures"
"How many do we win?"
"You're really not gonna like this"
They could win with the Infinity Stones, although it wouldn´t be very easy. Both Nappa and Vegeta are war experts, so the struggle for the Gauntlet that happened in End Game, if it happened, would be way more intense, and even if Nappa had the intention of letting them use it, Vegeta would warn him to do otherwise, like he did when Krillin charged the Destructo-Disk against Nappa, unless they snap before they arrive, making it very anti-climatic.
tony would need t most likely, if thaos wasn't there, and although that could probably kill them both its a low chance
Wouldn't they not have all the stones because of thanos not being involved?
Without thanos though, would they even have the idea of using the snap in the first place?
They would only have the time stone and mind. They might get the space stone if loki wasn't stingy, but it took thor being tortured for him to bring it out so that's not likely. The power stone was in the possession of thanos, the reality stone is still with the collector on knowhere, and there's absolutely no way they're getting the soul stone. Come to think of it, Thor won't even have his hammer in this so he'd be far weaker.
Strange could freeze time and allow Thor and Captain Marvel to attack the Saiyans.
This sounds so much better than anything from Marvel in almost half a decade.
With the exception of gotg 3 and no way home
From MCU*
When's dragon balls next live action? I heard the first one was great
If Vegeta ever felt even remotely threatened, then it would be goodbye earth and not a single character could have been able to stop him. MAYBE Marvel could have tried to tackle him away from the planet and into space, but that's assuming she has the actual strength to actually budge him.
Also Vegeta is a genius when it comes to combat. Idk if C. Marvel will be able to fight him, despite maybe possibly having close to strength
she absorbs energy kinda like super 17 in gt. i think if she just tanked it she would be fine. especially if shes been getting boosted by smaller blast in the fight against nappa. her being boosted by their energy could help but i think shed be the counter to a planet destroying move. making it be a fist fight for vegeta or having to catch her off guard to hit a gallick gun
Depends on who is writing the script. She has as much strength and abilities as the plot requires for victory rather than any actual earned skill...unless we're talking classic comic Captain Marvel and not modern Captain Marvel. They're both powerful, but unfortunately you just can't beat plot armor.
She does have abilities to soft counter vegeta’s attack but remember that he has tremendous battle experience. I don’t remember her actually having to “fight” someone with similar strength, the last in the comics she absorbed powerful energy and became her strongest form, she died of j remember correctly.
Please please please destroy the earth. Vegeta and nappa need air. Thor and captain marvel don't and those space shops don't seem to fast or hard
Answer: No, the Avengers would be turned to red mist.
Roll the credits.
This was actually way more thought out and balanced than I thought it was going to be. However, I still sort of disagree with the first point about the power stone. In the scene we see a Celestial using it to destroy a planet, but I think it just enhances whoever is using it. So the stronger the user, a Celestial for example, the stronger the stones power.
This is one of many leaps of logic in the video.
This is the case. The Power Stone does have some energy manipulation powers, but its main ability is to greatly enhance the qualities of whoever is holding it. Someone who is strong will become stronger, someone who is fast will become faster, etc. It's the most important stone for that specific reason; it boosts the other stones when used together.
At least, that's how it works in the comics. The movies have really screwed with how they work, and the universe in general.
They explained in GOTG that the power’s stone power depends on its target’s size.
Given the snap... I don't think so... However, it's probably an exception given by using all 6 IS.
But the MCU made a point that a User has to be stronger or equal to a celestial (or of a child of one) in order to use, at least, the power stone.
And the Celestials crafted universes, so their staff to no diff one planet is more of them "walking on a beach".
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The Power Stone in Marvel Comic has no limitation with its User and did more than powering up its User. You're basically a Saiyan as a Human with absolute power.
Think of Doom Guy and BS anything which can harm, affect, kill you because you're too angry to die.
That is the Power Stone's full capability. Matter manipulation abd energy manipulation is just one factor of the Power Stone.
But make no mistake... All but the Mind Stone and Soul Stone can do very much the same as the Power Stone in the Comics.
Mind and Soul are on the level of the Phoenix Force, Eternity, and the Living Tribunal. Both stones are of thar calibur at max potential.
Then all 6 together, it is neigh omnipotence. More so than what the Movies could ever hope to grasp... Even the Complete Nullifier is but a toy against the Infinity Stones.
Avengers better know the "Pecking Order" 😂😂😂
RULE NUMBER ONE OF POPO'S TRAINING
Every superhero from every universe together wouldn't last 30 seconds against Popo
Best TFS popo clip is from the most recent buu saga set “ok one finger”
I'm just imagining Nappa just raising his 2 fingers at the army of avengers and wiping out like 95% of them instantly, like how he levels the city he crashed landed on
Like a small scale version of the Snap
The new Avengers movie: "The Hand-Me-Downs!"
Keep in mind the power level for Nappa (4000) is a suppressed level of Nappa's power. When Nappa got serious he was able to contend with Goku and Goku was required to use Kaio Ken x2 (if no multiplier for Kaio Ken is stated it is x2) in order to defeat him quickly. Therefore considering Goku's power level is around 8,100 or so (just over 8,000) then Nappa is most likely in the 7,000 to 7,500 range. Basically doubling his power. Therefore if Nappa WAS taking the fight seriously he most likely could win with high difficulty.
I’d say Nappa’s full power is around 6000, but I do like your logic.
Nah thats not true. Goku had some close calls but definitely didn't struggle with nappa and only had to ×2 to help out killin and gohan because he wasn't close enough
@@zionarrington8489Goku wasn’t struggling, but he did seem to think the fight would take a while after Nappa got serious. I got the sense that Goku would’ve maintained the upper hand, but wouldn’t just dominate him.
So with that said, I’d say Nappa’s power level was quite a bit higher than 4000 when he was focused. Consider that Piccolo’s power level was like 3000, and he still wasn’t much of a match for Nappa, so if Nappa’s real power level was only 4000 I don’t think he would’ve been able swap hands with Goku.
I think your forgetting the part where goku without kaio ken stood on a pissed off nappa’s head. My man didnt struggle, he was making a statement.
@@fatherofjman2475 that was before Nappa powered up/focused though.
Goku didn’t struggle even after Nappa powered up or whatever, but he wasn’t dominating him anymore
People forget that before going to Earth. In the very early episodes of DBZ. Vegeta blew up a planet with a small energy blast cause he felt like it. Imagine the output his Galick Gun can do.
that was filler tho and never repeated. He had to power up his Galek gun to do the same during a mainline episode.
Fair to say that was an outlier feat.
@@ttv_mrjack6749context means nothing to you? That's filler but piccolo could do the same thing in the same saga? Roshi did the same thing in original dragon ball. Planetary destruction is child's play to Vegeta from the moment he's introduced
@@ttv_mrjack6749 filler is canon to dbz lmao, king Vegeta destroyed 3 planets with a wave of his hand it’s not an outlier for Vegeta to do the same with a tiny ki blast
@@eyeballtreehouse111 Wasn't Vegeta in space when he did that feat? Saiyans can't breathe in space.
@@eyeballtreehouse111 Neither of them did it effortlessly and no, the moon is absolutely not the same as Earth and almost all blasts to destroy Earth are charged up and intense moments.
Otherwise, random blasts from SSGSSB x10KK will obliterate the Earth when brolly deflects them.
Filler isn't cannon to future seasons or referenced again, hence it being non-cannon. It's just a sequence to fill up time.
Vegeta can move faster than normal humans can see but normal people can see the Avengers move. Nuff said.
By that point even Chaos can move faster than normal humans can see. Yamcha will be overkill for the Avengers, maybe they have a chance against Yajirobe (who defeated Piccolo sons without any problem).
@raptorduck8785 I think even general tao would be overkill for the Avengers
Oh god. MCU vs Saiyans? That's like asking a colony of bullet ants to fight the equivalent of Yellowstone caldera popping off as it did in the movie 2012.
Speed feats on both ends are off due to auto-dodging (dodging where someone is aiming before they pull the trigger on a ftl weapon due to charge up time, their muscles clenching as they squeeze a trigger, or some other tell that occurs before the weapon is fired). For example, Tony Stark's lasers are consistently shown to have a power up interval, and he, a base human, has to aim and fire his weapons without his suit moving so quickly it turns his organs to jelly. Because of this everyone with the exception of quicksilver is human, human+, or low tier super human in speed. Even Captain Marvel. Given that every time we see her in combat she is moving, at best, at Quicksilver speed, it most likely means that she either has no fine control over her movements or she can only use her max speed to fly through deep space. Her failing to instantly reach the portal, and instead being intercepted by Thanos throwing a weapon that Tony and Captain America could react to, supports this.
Dragonball (not Dragonball Z) Krillin, in his first martial arts tournament, was capable of moving faster than base human vision to the point where he and his opponent were invisible. Adult Krillin, at the start of DBZ, could speed blitz the majority of the Avengers army. The only people he might not be able to kill are Captain Marvel, Thor, and the Hulk due to not having very good damage feats. If you include power level scaling it's probably only Captain Marvel that survives. She is then probably killed by Raditz, and it's not even close.
Their only hope is to use magic or shrinking tech to send the Saiyans to another dimension using trickery, since even powerful characters in DBZ regularly choose to interact with people at non-super speeds, and all three of the Saiyans love gloating.
Avengers: send out Saiyans to another dimension
The Saiyans: -Hey Vegeta do you think we'll be able to go back if we shout like reeeeeeaaaaaal loud?
-What, have you lost your mind nappa, we're in the middle of nowhere, that magician sent us down here-
-REEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
(A portal opens)
-See? I told you Vegeta!
_The point: Gotenks and Buu opened portals Hyperbolic Space chamber/Earth by screaming_
@@sonicszuetomyt5448 Right, but the Hypersonic Rhyme Chamber isn't a natural dimension, it's artificial and made of magic. Sending someone to another naturally occurring dimension is the same as teleporting them to the other side of the universe. Once they are there, unless they can open portals themselves they have no means of returning.
@@MonochromaticPrism But the avengers are still ducked. Frieza would come to check why vegeta disappeared even if he doesn't care about him he is one of the strongest guys in his army. He'll check earth out and the avengers basically have 0 hope of wining unless they do magic shit.
@@Lynn.-_-. Nah, before he went to earth Vegeta was just a high level grunt for Frieza. That's why most of his forces just laughed at and mocked him when he first arrived on Namek. It was only his most common foot soldiers that were overwhelmed by pre-earth Vegeta. His lieutenants like Dodoria would have annihilated him even in Ape form back then, let alone something like the Ginyu force. And he did not tell Frieza where he was going ANYWAYS, so it likely would have just blown over.
@@Vertraic Let me explain. Frieza doesn't care about vegeta but it's not like his a weakling by any measures. His still stronger than most of friezas army which would pique friezas interest as to who killed the saiyans especially considering how earth isn't even on friezas radar (frieza is running a galactic empire which sells planets so it's highly likely he would be interested in a backwater planet which managed to kill 3 saiyans). And considering how the scouters are all connected ( that's how he found out about the dragon balls, if I remember correctly) I don't think it would be that hard to find earth. Considering the avengers can't match vegetas power so they would use magic which if frieza knew, he might decide to nip the problem before it blossoms considering how frieza destroyed planet vegeta (Ima ignore the lazy gluttonous cat 🐱 here). Even if he doesn't come he still would send scouts to check out earth but considering how far behind earth is if the scouts leave unharmed frieza might just lose interest if he doesn't know about the magic.
I am glad that the description specified that the comparison was with the MCU, specifically. Lol. I was about to start writing a book in the comments until I saw that, and that's as a fan of both.
Goku SSJ3 would wipe the floor with the entire Marvel universe 😂 but then again if you have a comeback, then Goku SS God would absolutely crush them. No? Goku SSJ Blue is just overkill. Still no? Goku SSJ Blue Kaioken X10 now thats just wrong and overkill….. But if for some dumbass reason you still think Marvel has a chance then Goku Ultra Instinct (Would go and wipe DC after 😂)
@@jackzerkis6190 Sure - Loki, God of Stories _(what he becomes at the end of the Loki TV show)_ is a reality warper, of multiversal level, that specifically can change the story of anyone, or anything, that he wants. If he decides that Goku has actually lived nothing but an absolutely peacefully life - never having having been taught by either Granpa Gohan nor Master Roshi? It becomes true. Not an illusion... the entire story of Dragonball changes to fit the idea that Goku never learned to fight.
Marvel has quite a few reality warpers. Not ever fight is a question of raw power potential.
@@thalastianjorus I mean if you wanna take that bullshit route guess you’re forgetting Whis and Zeno 😂😂😂😂
@@jackzerkis6190 what do they have to do with Goku beating the entire Marvel universe? That is not just a goalpost shift, but an entirely new game. Zeno could body everything but the One Above All, yeah, but Whis is more on the level of a being such as Eternity.
@@thalastianjorus “One above all” now you just pulled that out of your ass. Its like me adding Super Shenron to this 😭 that would just be overkill
I feel like raddiz would body them all tbh, liniar travelling speed is different to combat speed. He'd be snap vanishing around and snapping necks like it was nothing only stopping to laugh and gloat periodically. I think the only one with a chance at even perceiving raddiz is possibly spiderman.
No Spider-Man would get wrecked by Raditz and the only avenger that would stand a chance of beating him would be Hulk or maybe Thor but not Spider-Man. 😂😂😂
all i said was he might have a chance of seeing him, not that he stood a chance of fighting.@@Animeloversonicfan
this is the comment i was looking for
Radditz is multi city level at mac relax lmfao
@@jimjamjon2285 Master Roshie destroyed the moon with a power level of 139, radits is 11x stronger than him.
I apreciate all the time and research to give solid arguments for this. great job
Travel speed and combat speed feats in fiction are often extremely disjointed and should not be combined for scaling, lest you want to accept extreme inconsistencies. Another pet peeve is assuming light-based attacks/energy beams travel at light speed and scaling characters who react to/dodge them accordingly, because doing so would also put these feats as MASSIVE outliers compared to literally any other speed feat in their series.
he gave the avengers some wank to give them almost a chance they needed it
That it would. I see people doing this a lot, and it's completely inconsistent in most media. Rather annoying to witness because nearly every time it makes no sense and is only there to shoehorn a "balance" in to try and make the fight hypothetically feasible.
What’s annoying about fiction is that characters no matter how “fast” they are, are never faster than the speed of sound. Goku in the first tournament arc literally disappears from the human eye, from sheer speed, but there’s not a sonic boom? Mfs talk while fighting at insane speeds if you were to overcome the impossibility of such a thing. The rock of power can be deflected by what amounts to regenerating tin? Captain marvel somehow being the least offending character is hilarious rn.
Thought the same thing and said as much. There also is a false correlation between strength and striking power. I think the best way I've heard it described is a bulldozer is 'stronger' than a sports car, but being hit by the bulldozer at top speed knocks you over where as being hit by the sports car at top speed shatters you.
Yeah this screws up everything imo
An interesting point about Nappa is that when Goku fully powered up to over 8000, Nappa managed to use his own power up technique to attempt to catch up and keep even pacing with Goku even in his heightened level of power. While Nappa wasn't abled to match him (Nor have the same level of martial arts familiarity) I would estimate that his power level increased to something like 6,500 - 7000 in terms of full combat ability.
Let’s not forget nappa can also turn into a monkey
I would argue that Nappa could only reach that level of power through zenkai boosts throughout the battle. Remember Saiyans become more powerful as they fight, with massive boosts coming if they survive the battle. Nappa could only step up to Goku after fighting the Z fighters. Even in the MCU, I think Nappa is slightly lowballed here because of this.
@@quetzalcoatl1013i mean, this is a inconsistency with the story. Because zenkai boosts werent a thing in the story yet
No I don't think they're really looking at it Vegeta said it was over 9000 + Goku continued powering up for a good minute after that so it kept rising I believe Napa's ultimate power level is around thirteen to fifteen thousand. We know that Goku and Vegeta's power level is at Max are around 25 to 31.
@@Phantom-kc9ly I’m more of the thought that the explanation/ phrase “Zenkai Boost” wasn’t coined until early Namek Saga. Zenkais have actually always existed since kid Goku; we just never had the terminology.
Imagining the Saiyans pulling up in pods & destroying the planet with a flick of their wrist is so comical to me rn
If a simple sword can cut off oozaru vegettas limbs, I think Strange's portals could easily dismember him.
3:20 I don’t think it’s fair to say that the power stone was being used at full force when it hit those avengers. If a planetary destruction level beam hit a person, even if they blocked it, it would either explode or crator them into the earth (and then explode), unless we’re assuming that iron man’s legs were strong enough to push back planetary devastation levels of force. Even then, his legs would be exerting that same amount of force into the ground beneath him, still causing a massive global natural disaster at best.
I think it wouldn't be that bad of a statement to make because those characters were relative to Ironman and if the power stone was capable of planetary feats he should scale to that. Especially if you take into account that thanos was going for the kill with Ironman specifically and was more than likely going all out and the other characters scale around that
You can't apply that level of physics logic to the MCU or DBZ. Realistically, iron man would kill himself from the amount of G force he outputs. You just have to turn your brain off with certain things
@@elijahlee3610except by turning our brains off that makes Dragon Ball feats much stronger than MCU feats. Considering they MCU dont move at super speed like DBZ characters do in every fight.
@@fatty1040 they do tho in the comics. It's hard to put that speed in a movie and make it look good for the audience. Kinda why we have yet to get a good Manga live action movie. There are just things you can't do with movies. Kind of why I think this comparison isn't quite fair. Comparing a cartoon/manga to a live action movie instead of the comics/cartoons.
@@cliffordsmith8499 It is in dragon balls case tho since they establish early on for their universe is that they ARE moving that fast and the Manga panels are glimpses of what we get to see. So if a character teleports (Nobody can teleport except Goku, literally all characters have this teleport move which is just them putting all their effort and energy into flying) They really are just moving so much more faster and as their power increases so does their speed, endurance, strength, energy capacity, mental focus, and intrinsic powers. Literally all that gets stronger by them increasing their ki.
Even the dbz technology is OP. Bulma took an alien spaceship "Kamis spaceship" and it took them to Jupiter in less than 5 seconds. They want to use this ship to go to another planet called "Namek" that takes earth technology 4339 years to reach but with Kamis spaceship it took 32 days instead.
Consider this. All three Saiyan's can go great ape form, but in their bases, Raditz could probably go toe to toe with memebers like vision, war machine, basically the upper mid tier cast. Now, keep in mind that nappa can legit GROW a small army of siabamen who are as strong as raditz. Then you have nappa who could probably go toe to toe eith mcu hulk and thor but is also capable of turning a major city into a glass floor with a single attack. Vegeta, by comparison is twice as powerful if not more than nappa at that point and a very skilled fighter and has planetary level energy attacks so even someone like scarlett witch or captain marvel wouldnt be able to stand toe to toe with thst.
He'd raise 2 fingers and wipe out 90% of the battlefield
@@eyeballtreehouse111 exactly. The MCU power scaling is all over the place so there's always the " yea but what about" factor but during the Saiyan saga Vegeta nappa raditz and the saibamen easily wrecked the strongest fighters on earth who all had super strength, speed, fighting skills, and energy attacks that could level a skyscraper at least and even with Wanda being at her peak or captain marvel not holding back I don't see them surviving Vegeta especially if he goes great ape
And then you remember that master roshi during the very early Dragonball saga wiped the moon out 🤣
Vegeta is four times as powerful as Nappa, to be specific - and obviously more well trained and a better fighter. The ape form is a X10 multiplier, so Raditz in ape form is about triple Nappa in his human form.
Worth noting also that Raditz is about 11 times more powerful than Roshi was when he blew the moon into atoms for some perspective, since you don't really get a good gauge on Raditz or the Saibamen.
@@jamesjohnston5749 Piccolo blows up the moon and it takes him and goku at the time to cheapshot raditz by suicide. Honestly just with the speed feats its impossible for any MCU characters to take on anything great ape or kaioken x4 level. They wouldnt even be able to see them. That one guy says skyscraper but piccolo and roshi destroying the moon at a far lower level is insane compared to saiyan invasion saga.
That was pretty much exactly how I imagined it'd go. Most people don't even realize just how strong DB characters really are.
I think most people know that.
Its just that most times some media inflates the strenght of their characters, so it seems like some shows are at the same level of strenght as DB
And now... after the Tournament of Power, Moro, Granolah, Super Heros?
@@masterroshi1015 ??? tf is you on
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I think he gave the marvel hero’s too much credit. Dragonball is OP lol
Anime Vegeta about to use two fingers to wipe every single avenger out like he did with the bug planet:
I don't think scaling some of the characters who tanked the power stone to planet level is fair, the power stone varies a LOT based on the size of the target. So honestly they'd have a much more rough time, the only ones who'd stand a chance would be love and thunder Thor and a post wandavision Scarlet witch
And even if we scale them up to Planet Level it wouldn't matter because in the Saiyan Saga Vegeta already was a Planet Buster.
Thor before love and thunder would give them hell of a run he was tanking a star while making storm breaker not to mention dr strange can manipulate time so even if he does it redo it Wanda mind hacks vision can phase through and stuff
@@midruto2127Thor wouldn't do shit. He isn't even fast enough to tag Quicksilvet let alone people who are much stronger and faster.
End game Wanda would be enough. She was already powerful enough to destroy infinity stones and rewrite reality without the darkhold. Vision would be alive and probably could use the mind stone on dumb characters like nappa and the SAibamen to reduce casualties. Thor, Hulk and Cap with hammer could keep nappa busy ppl forget how strong Thor is because he’s cracking jokes. He took on the full force of an exploding star Vegeta isn’t on sun buster level yet. They still have 3 infinity stones. Mind, time, and space and if they had a year to prepare they could probably get the power and reality stone too. Those stones mixed with captain marvel or Thor would be enough to protect earth. Imagine reality stone with Wanda rewriting existence, dr strange rewinding time to save people or predict next attacks plus using portals to redirect incoming attacks.Thor powering up his axe with the power stone and captain marvel using the space stone like a battery
@@scottdungy8574XD wanda could only destroy the mind stone because her powers were the same. If those powers don't kill vegeta instantly she'll get blitzed before she can even react
Now this is THE DISCUSSION we all should be having these days.
"MCU Iron Man is FTL"
Me: "Oh, this is one of those videos."
Yep. The "nothing that happens on screen matters, everyone is FTL and planet level because of some vague statements with 0 feats to back it up"
Because Strange could just see what would happen a hole year from the Raditz fight and give that knowledge to the rest of the avengers and plan accordingly? If they had the resources available to them at the end of endgame but in ready conditions theres noway 2 Saiyans both in monkey form win. they would get overwhelmed in numbers alone...
if they invade earth, the avengers might manage to beat raditz with some difficulty, but beating Nappa would be pretty tough, Vegeta is on a diferent level
What about great ape vegeta 🐒
@@joshualighttime604they wouldn't survive long enough to piss off Vegeta to make him go Ape. They'd be lucky to even survive Galick Gun
@@ThatRedNumberlol what 😂
@@Kyle-zb6jyno way you think hes wrong
@@hikari9513 only current thor would beat him and that's about it. No one else will come close to beating early vegeta
I actually liked you using Earth and moon shattering moves from both MCU and DBZ to see who can tank and output what against each other. I mean it does make sense but I just never thought to see who in the MCU can tank an attack from the Power stone which is a planet destroying weapon which is the equivalent of what early DBZ Saiyan's are capable of. Very nice video!
i mean Roshi blew up the moon in Dragon Ball so...
@@Hexis17 Yes true, but the video is discussing who in the MCU can handle Raditz, Nappa and Vegeta who debuts in DBZ. But it is nice to think about the human characters of DB-Z being able to put in work from way back then.
@Platformer64 my point is they are basing alot of scaling on blowing up the moon, even tho most the dbz character could blow up the moon in dragon ball means they are way past that by DBZ, so all the dbz characters are being low balled including raditz and nappa.
An issue I'd have with scaling the feats of speed for marvel. Is that their travel speed is way diffrent from fighting speed. And even in the end of dragon ball into z goku and inturn vegeta can fight so fast people can't see them so their fighting speed is at least light speed. Which means they have cognitive ability to see as fast as they can move.
Yup, Krillin and Master Roshi had an entire fight in under a second. Master Roshi blew up the moon while fatigued in a few seconds. Goku dodged lightning as a kid and potentially light from the solar flare.
Thats all quite true and valid but what good is faster that light punching speed when the enemy can just stop time? Like seriously I think everyone is too hung up on the strength and speed thing. All it would take for the Avengers to win is Dr Strange to stop time for everyone bar himself and Thor, then have Thor walk over and remove their heads with his axe. Done and dusted. This however brings me to the very obvious reason why the creator of this video chose Avengers from the MCU and not the comics. The MCU versions of Avengers are WAY underpowered compared to their comic versions. This is an obvious attempt to make sure the victory is handed to the Saiyans.
I wouldn’t say light speed…I can’t see a bullet travel…and even if you could, let’s say the bullet is traveling 1 million mph, you’re still 670x slower than the speed of light 🤷♂️
@@ASavageEye if strange could stop time, why didn't he do that to stop thanos and take the gauntlet away?
@@timothyn4699 Probably because Thanos had an answer to that in the many possibilities he saw where he attempted to.
"Vegeta what did that girl say about his power level?"
"She said I love you 3000!!!!"
Not to mention that if push came to shove and Napa was getting overwhelmed it wouldn’t be out of the realm of possibility that Vegeta would have him transform into a great ape as well. Considering the numbers advantage the avengers have i doubt they would allow Vegeta to just sit around and watch the battle so most likely it would be great ape Napa and Vegeta vs all of the avengers or the heavy hitters would go after Vegeta while Napa fights everyone else. Either way no chance
when nappa did get overwhelmed, Vegeta fucking killed him lmao
@@caracentralwell thts cuase he got blitzed by goku a fellow saiyan and vegets wanted to see what goku could do here however I think vegeta would pdobaly jump in considering avengers is a bigger threat than saiyan saga Z fighters minus piccolo 😂😂
@@Dakingalbert2 vegeta realizes that scouters and power levels are useless the moment Goku does that, the numbers mean nothing, he immediately forgos his scouter and instead relies on sensing ki, which yes you can still hide from, but in the canon it's heavily implied that it's way more accurate
@@Dakingalbert2 Vegeta at that point was a jerk, and would likely still kill Nappa if he made a terrible show of himself vs someone they consider weaker. However, I don't really think any of the Avengers can scale up to Kaioken Goku to blitz Nappa like that, and that guy's a bruiser. Even if the Avengers somehow put him in a back foot, he'd likely still be well enough to continue fighting by when Vegeta grows either interested enough to step in, or impatient enough to make a fake moon for Nappa to transform from.
The great ape transformation made vegeta 100k and more powerful than Anyone except Frieza he stomps avengers zero diff.
I feel like there's a bit of an underestimate with what Tony and Dr Strange can do with a year's planning, not to mention that Asgard didn't lose half it's refugees this time around, including Loki. They probably can figure out some kind of plan to equalize the power differences. Not an easy fight, but definitely a more fair one.
As well as dr strange once did he could see the possibilities of success and plan accordingly
Lol I love dbz but yeah a years prep time to Tony is insane. they would just fly on earth right into a trap haha. Remember this is a guy that figured out how to time travel into other universes.
@@Shioni16 im not saying they would win but it wouldnt be a just Wipeout scenario
doc strange countering dormamu alone is enough of a feat to make sure they evade a whipe out scenerio, giving Tony stark and already star level tanking attacks characters like thor 12 months prep time is overkill.
To be fair, Dr. Strange and Stark don't really need that much prep, Tony still has god armors capable of taking on some of the strongest entities in Marvel, many of which are dimensional destroyers, Dr. Strange is basically the Dr. Fate of Marvel to said entities to begin with, he deals with them on a daily basis. This is not taking into account Avengers like Scarlet Witch who at her peak rewrote an entire reality and its history in House of M.
The only scenario the avengers could win is if they actually collected all the infinity stones and destroyed the saiyans before they even arrived which i feel is alot more likely. A straight fight even with the infinity stones i still believe vegeta just shows more raw power and speed. I feel like this is a path that should have been explored as many people would be open to destroying the threat before its even come to be
There’s also nothing stopping the Avengers from intercepting Vegeta and Nappa before they even arrive on earth.
With a year to prepare, Tony Stark could set up satellites, detecting when the Saiyan Pods begin to approach Earth, and prepare an entire fleet of ships to intercept two dinky pods.
@@Therandomuser-dc8fv i dont think that would work especially against the saiyans who tank planet busting attacks i dont think any ship would really hurt them especially vegeta as if its close enough to earth’s atmosphere all it would do it get vegeta to see the moon and just rampage i still think the only chance is collecting the infinity stones and just erasing them or teleporting them in the middle of space
What is the saying get cocky and let strange attack them, and Strange does a soul Punch and traps the soul in the mirror dimension. Or he opens a portal to male them endlessly fall, just like he did to Loki
@@gotzmoneywayne8216well it would just really ruin it just like how strange didnt use those two moves at all agaisnt thanos
@@gotzmoneywayne8216 saiyans can fly so falling wouldn’t work and strange just isnt fast enough to get them with that but lets assume he is as explained in the video saiyans can break through magic with just physical power + it probably wouldn’t work anyway as he could’ve done this with thanos or wanda but didnt for a very good reason as it would’ve failed
From now on, this will be known as Frieza Planet 616