The Psychology of Kasumi Yoshizawa (Persona 5 Royal)
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- Kasumi Yoshizawa is a fascinating character from Persona 5 Royal that is hiding a lot more than it first seems from Joker, the Phantom Thieves, and even herself. This video is FULL of spoilers for Persona 5 Royal so I highly recommend that once you have completed the game that you come back and give this video a watch and stop reading the description right NOW... Because we're not talking about Kasumi in this video, instead we are talking about her younger sister Sumire Yoshizawa. I go in-depth about how the game illustrates that Sumire has had to endure a Major Depressive Disorder as well as several other mental health issues throughout the course of the game. Not only will I react, analyze, and review these struggles from the lense of a clinical mental health counseling student, but I will also look at how she was able to move past this throughout the course of the story and the issues Dr. Maruki caused for her.
I do want to note that all counselors will come at situations from different theoretical orientations, backgrounds, and belief systems. My opinions correlate with my own education and professional experience up to this point in my education as a Master's level counseling student.
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I hope you enjoyed this video! Who would you like to see in a future character case study and why?
Akechi
Yeah I feel like Akechi offers a lot of material in terms of psychological analysis
Mr Goro Akechi!
I Know you already did one on futaba but I would like one on the damage maruki did to her
@@losttriad yeah, like the regression she must have experienced in regards to her recovery
It's confounding to me that after playing through the whole of Royal there are people complaining that Maruki didn't stay a counselor... Like the whole point was that he's incompetent and hurting people no matter how well intentioned.
Yeah, I agree. I love Maruki as a character, but since he’s shattered essentially every ethical code to some extent I really hope he never gives it another go. Just because someone has good intentions doesn’t mean they can’t still be incredibly harmful.
In the original japenese version and even wen you play with the japenese voice he his NOT a conselor that the thing
@@ThoughtBubbleYT after beating the game multiple time and got all the ending i always accept his " fake " reality in the end ... Something that i find funny is than Maruki is the exact same character as Obito uchiwa from naruto .._ he lost a girl he loved and noW he want to create a new reality weare pain dont exist and everyone will be happy forever ..._ only différence Maruki Didn't cause genocide and terrorism to achieve his goal lol
@@ThoughtBubbleYT My wife as albinism and she grow up as a tomboy and is still a tomboy today she was bulied all the time by the other girl of her school for her look but also for not being feminine enough to the point weare she as self harmibg herselft and hated the fact that she was a girl ... To them being a girl equated to be a bad person ... Vanity untitle etc and she develop dépression i was alread her boyfriend at that time and ive prevented her from killing herself! Today we are maried and she is a stay at home mom by chose ... She as no sence of self worth or self accomplishment no matter what she does she take her self love by doing her best for us our smile is what she thrive to ave
@@ThoughtBubbleYT You forgot that he's like this in the third term partially because Yaldabaoth had caused his persona and him to be driven insane and partially because you told him that he can use Mementos to change the suffering of millions. Also be noted that Maruki and the persona (Where his actualization and his insanity in the third term came from) are separate entities.
Agreed. I adored her arc. It was genuinely shocking, heartbreaking and heartwarming in equal measure.
I wished she'd been in the vanilla story a little more frequently, but that didn't stop the trio of Sumi, Joker and Akechi being my favourite characters in the game.
I 100% agree! I really wish she could have been in the core story more too, but I totally get why Atlus didn't.
ThoughtBubble yeah. I absolutely adored Sumire’s arc (story and confidant), and she is one of my favorite Persona characters as a result (top 3 for sure). Sure- I admit she does somewhat have a lack of screen time like Haru, but I don’t think that really matters since Sumire’s arc is so good. Not to say Haru’s arc wasn’t good, but it can’t compare to Sumire’s.
@@Mojo1356 I actually am going to have to make an extreme disagreement regarding her screen time. I believe that the fact that she alone was the one who one-shot 3 or 4 shadows at the opening scene at Nijiima's Palace was already a bit over the top and extremely bold regarding foreshadowing. Although she had little correlation with the pre-Yaldabaoth/Maruki story, I think that was sensible on Atlus. For crying out loud, she (basically) had her own arc that lasted an entire semester and if she was involved with the rest of the year, it would be waaaaay over the top and excessive for not only character development AND screen time. Basically, that game was undeniably her game and it will upset if they make it canon. Atlus' attempt to make more story was good but very extreme and it shadows the rest of the characters in a way.
NormalGuy1206 hard disagree on sumire shadowing the other characters. She doesn’t have enough screen time imo to leave the others in her shadow- let alone be over the top.
Mojo1356 IDK about that, the fact that she keeps popping up once a month and whatnot from the the very start kinda makes her look like she more important than the other characters. But that’s not all...
“Maruki = worst counselor”
ThoughtBubble 2020
Put that one on my tombstone. lol
Worse counsler for sure but a great person. I'd be his friend. Great analysis btw.
@@Kiefster I'd be scared to tell him about my problems with if we were friends. He'd hear you were fighting and then actualize away your personalities
@@TheJadedJames I know but putting his powers aside and after his battle with the Phantom Thieves I think he's an outstanding guy. His actualization ability is frightening but I'm referring to his interaction. If you weren't paying attention to his demeanor than he would seem like a great guy. But, given everything about him, I would not trust him to evulatate me. I'd probably ask for as for Uber though :D
vumanchu I’m still trying to picture going from being a literal god to a Uber Driver
Joker is probably a better counselor
He’d just listen and reply only with short and sassy remarks XD
@@sheshe6580 I mean, the fact that he can do that and still help the person he's talking to definately says a lot about him.
@@sheshe6580 Beep Boop
Yeah about a third of my way through my second play through I realised just how messed up what Maruki did really was. Basically a teenaged girl suffering from depression told him she thought everyone would be happier if she had died instead of her sister and he AGREED WITH HER. Like... I know he didn’t mean it that way but just... wow.
As a side note: The other thing about Sumire’s quick recovery is that Joker does also have a unique skill as the Trickster. It’s never specifically stated in the game what it is but Akechi passively compares both Joker’s and Maruki’s to his own ability to drive people psychotic while the group is talking to Lavenza. Joker being able to ‘oppose fate’ does spread to other characters he interacts with (seen most blatantly with the fortune teller, Chihaya, as she herself begins doing the same thing to those she reads fortunes for). Joker’s Empowerment (which is what I call it) probably played a hand in her healing.
This is definitely an interesting take that I never thought of! I like the idea of Joker having an innate and empowering effect on the people around him as a special trait of his as a Trickster. Thanks for sharing, that’s super cool! :)
And the worse part of it was that he deliberately re-opened her old mental wound right in front of her just to prove a point to Joker and Akechi.
I personally think the reason he agreed with Sumire is because he too believes in that logic especially with what happened to Rumi. He blames himself for not being there to protect Rumi and her family from the home invasion and believe she deserved to be with a better person than him. This clouded his mind when he used his powers to heal her trauma. Thus, He inadvertently erased himself from her memories and didn't bother to fix it.
It's like "Wait, I didn't want her to forget me, too. On second thought, I think that's for the best."
Thus, to him, if people aren't about what happened to their loved ones and wish to someone else, so be it.
Maruki = Bad Consular. I died. As someone who only took two undergrad psychology classes in college, watching Maruki's session with Sumire literally made my blood boil. Like damn it, Maruki! Your job is to help your work through her issues, not put her under a brainwashing spell. Even though I already knew he'd been scheming the actualization thing for a while and had basically been using Joker in his sessions, the grossness of the Sumire actualization really helped transformed him from someone who I just found delusional to something truly terrifying.
Yeah. Exactly! A counselor should never set out to “fix” the people they’re working with because that leaves the VERY high risk of stripping them of their autonomy. A counselor needs to empower their client and help them to discover tools that work for them to tackle their current and future struggles. Maruki’s “the means justify the ends” way of thinking is not only forcing what he thinks will make people happy onto them, but it completely strips them of choice. Which is, as you said, terrifying.
ITs kinda creepy when MAruki simply rewrote Sumire's cognition make her think she is Kasumi Yoshizawa which is kinda creepy. I bet those people around her keep telling her she is sumire but all she hears is Kasumi. But still, this is just a twisted kindness that Dr. Snacks did.
ThoughtBubble while it still helped Sumire in the long run, it was still a big taboo for a counselor since counselors are supposed to help people move on from trauma.
ThoughtBubble it made me upset because what he did wasn’t helping her. All it did was put a big band aid on her problems. And he was just using her as a test subject to make his research a reality
@@ThoughtBubbleYT People are not the individual butterflies with free will that you think they are. They, more often than not, do not know what's best for them and act in irrational ways that go against their own interests that require intervention on the part of parents, the government or in this case, a counseler. Most of the world does not subscribe to this modern and quite frankly American delusion of individualism and freedom which has practically become a cult in its own right, ignoring human nature in order to fulfill this delusional worldview when in reality most humans are like sheep that need a shepherd to herd them around for their own good.
It might be sad to think about but that is how it is and fictional video games will never change a thing, as fun as they can be. They mostly use abstraction and exaggeration for the sake of escapism and / or entertainment value and should never be given a second thought when assessing how reality actually is.
One thing I saw on Tv Tropes really hit me in regards to Sumire’s mental is her basically going through the hardships of most the Phantom Thieves before they awakened to their Personas all at once.
An athlete that can’t reach for greatness like Ryuji.
The failure to protect someone close to her like Ann.
The pressure by adults to be perfect like Makoto.
The guilt and depression of losing a family member like Futaba.
It’s honestly depressing just how much shit Sumire went through
Wow, I can't believe I never noticed those reflections until now.
Each of them share her pain individually.
Not to mention that, in a messed up way, Maruki's conditioning basically gave a subliminal version of the same messaging that Yusuke got from Madarame re: dependency
oh yes everybody's new best girl
For a good reason
kollie79 With her being vital to the story and throughout the whole thing, she never feels late game or not having enough screen time like Haru does
kollie79 turning down Haru and Sumire was so painful. But I could never cheat on them either
i stick to my ideals
*makoto best girl fight me*
kollie79 I actually wish there were more material associated with dating a character. Like instead of just getting a handful of added scenes there could be a Confidant perk/ability you only get if one of the girls is your GF or maybe some of the romances could activate before rank 9, giving them more time to actually feel like your GF. Maybe dating one of the main girls could have an affect on how they receive stat boosts from the jazz club, darts or pool. Or some kind of benefit/incentive could have been added to taking them out after Rank 10 so you have a gameplay incentive to do that. I actually think it was kind of a waste of potential that the game doesn’t let you date Sumire until January. Imagine the conflict if you had initiated a romance with her before her secret was revealed
Considering Marukis backstory as well we do feel bad for him but in a sense that fact he kind of forced his ideals into others does go and reflect in his way of handling things with other charcaters. He may not be a good counselor but still a good boy.
Also Kasumi and maruki were some of deepest characters we’ve had and a great addition to the new game.
They are definitely two of my favorite characters in the game and AMAZING additions for Royal. And I know we were given a lot of great content for both of them in Royal but I still wish there was more!
"That's not till next semester"
Me: does that happen to be the third semester?
Very possibly.
Beginning of the game: “Maruki seems like a nice guy”
End of the game: “Maruki is a vile coward”
He's definitely well-intentioned... But also low-key the worst. lol I would be lying if I were to say he wasn't one of my absolutely favorite antagonists ever. There's something fascinating about someone who so profoundly wants to "help" but goes about it in the absolute worst way possible.
@@ThoughtBubbleYT Yeah, I like that he wants to prevent people from experiencing trauma, the problem is that he has like one counselling session with these kids and then creates a new life for them without their knowledge.
I've heard a lot of people say Maruki was a good flawed villain. I really think he's actually extremely fucked up in many ways, just because he's had his heartbroken he wants to control everyone's lives.
He's definitely got a lot of issues. Definitely my favorite antagonist ever, but dude needs to see a counselor himself. lol
While I normally hate Akechi and give him shit (e.g. using the Limelight tool to turn him into a meat shield LOL), I couldn't agree with him more when he called out Maruki's "counseling" as brainwashing.
Going through Maruki's palace really made it seem like Maruki and all the shadows were some kind of cult.
I agree, it was kind of off-putting how sterile everything was and it was refreshing to have Akechi just say what we were all thinking!
Also, big respect for your name and avi! .Hack has always been one of my absolute favorite franchises!
Having someone with an academic background analize the Persona series is pretty cool. I want to watch more of this stuff.
Will you ever plan on doing Persona 4 stuff as well?
I definitely want to because there's so much great stuff there! I need to replay it though to refresh my memory! :)
@@ThoughtBubbleYT Well, good thing that Persona 4 Golden has just been announced to the PC then.
@@ThoughtBubbleYT I honestly wouldn't be against you trying your hand at P1 or P2 either
@@ThoughtBubbleYT I definitely wanna hear about the psychology of Tohru Adachi
Sumire is beyond my favorite character. I was a diehard Kawakami and Makoto lover, but Sumire's story and her adorable-ness once she comes out of her shell. As someone who's dealt with heavy depression for years, and seeing her struggle with her pain touched me in the heart.
She's definitely one of the most well-written characters in the game!
Once again, you did an amazing job! As a psychologist myself, I'd like to add my 2 cents.
I don't think that Sumire has surpassed her depression, it might seem like she has from a narrative perspective, but in reality, depression is often something that people struggle with for the vast majority of their lifetime. Sumire might have found new inspiration and inner strenght to "go on" but having depression makes you very vulnerable to a lot of different stimulus that can trigger harmful thoughts and emotional distress.
Which is something we see "Kasumi" constantly struggle with as she constantly gets stressed over with gymnastics, then she tries to focus on cooking and that fails in her eyes as well, then she tries to make something nice for her father which only adds up to the poor confidence sumire has expressed over all the confidant ranks.
I strongly agree that Joker and thus "We" as the players, play an important support net for Sumire as she keeps trusting us with some things that are very special to her and it's very clear that Joker's approval has a very strong weight on Sumire's perspective of things and her own actions. For example, when she feeds you and joker takes a moment to answer on how "good" the food was, she immediately apologizes and says that she'll do better next time. Our opinion is something she values so much because joker is one of the few persons she has met after accepting the "Kasumi persona" and, being in such a vulnerable state as she is, it's crucial for her to build stable relationships with people that ACCEPT her for the new "Person" she is, even though Sumire's quirky personality might come out here and there, we accept her as a whole and that's what she values the most. Which in on itself is a really big challenge for Sumire who deals with depression and survivor's guilt, but Kasumi's personality pushes her to be social and smile all the time, because "That's just how Sis used to be" and "this is the newfound person I have to be so I don't feel like a total failure". Clearly seen at around 9:50
All in all, she's a great character, fitting for such a complex subject that only such a deep and emotive game such as persona could bring. Great video! I'll be awaiting the next one!
Thank you so much, and I'm glad you enjoyed it! I love hearing your insights on these videos since I'm still a student and definitely still learning and so hearing your thoughts is always really beneficial and always appreciated. :) There will definitely be more to come!
@@ThoughtBubbleYT I'm flattered! I got a bachelor's degree but honestly, the title doesn't make the person in most cases :) I learn a lot from you too! And you can expect more comments as you keep growing the series, I love persona and I love psychology so having you around is a blast! If you ever wanna talk about any subject more deeply, I'd be super interested too! Enjoy your day and keep yourself safe my friend!
@Kira Kurusu I don't think she's there yet. The narrative of the game pushes things around for her to appear "ready" but in reality if she were to put herself through that ordeal it would be a very dependant relationship.
Try to look at it from her point of view: You often feel down about yourself, you think something is wrong with you all the time, you push yourself to your limits all the time and you have to act according to a mannerism that isn't quite yourself. Then, despite all your efforts, everything keeps going down the drain no matter how hard you try and you can only blame yourself.
Then comes along Joker, who treats you nicely, saves you from creppy guys in shibuya and helps in situations where you needed someone the most. Joker helps you through some of your most intricate and personal problems, well of course you would fall in love with such a wonderful Chad.
But it's unhealthy, because sumire is falling in love with what joker represents for her (help, support, an escape to her issues and a constant form of acceptance) instead of falling in love with joker PLUS what he brings to the table. Add mental issues to the mix and you got a recipe for a constantly depressing relationship in which she will be needy, she will demand jokers attention and the moment something takes that away from her, she'll be either a total drama queen about it or sink into depression because the one thing she clings to, has "abandoned her" in her eyes.
The game obviously makes a hard push so you can only focus on Sumire's role and life events rather than them actually talking and joker telling her about himself but still, I don't think she's ready, you gotta heal your own soul, heart and mind before you share those to someone else you know?
@Kira Kurusu Personally, while the nature of the relationship and the situation does definitely lend itself to that possibility and risk, I don't see this in their relationship. Not only is she more than okay with him going back home having just a very casual "see you later" kind of line at the train station, but she does not define herself by their relationship, she has her own dreams and aspirations that are well removed from Joker, and she outwardly expresses what she wants from the relationship she doesn't just do whatever Joker says like it's law (from the very few romantic interactions that we see).
While she does care about his support and opinion, and she wants to support him back, again it doesn't seem as though she completely defines herself by this. And so while it very well could have been too soon and had the potential to be a toxic situation, this doesn't seem to be the case because she doesn't define herself by her relationship with Joker. We can really see this in their Valentine's day interaction when he essentially asks if she wants to come with him and she guiltlessly says no, and that she'd rather that she keep working towards her own goals and she'll make sure he hears about her wherever he is. This likely wouldn't happen in a codependent relationship as it's likely that if Joker were the enabler she would try to bend over backwards to do what he wanted potentially to the detriment of herself and her dreams. So whether it would be realistic in her situation or not in the real world is iffy but in terms of the way the game was written I personally don't see any issues. That's kind of a parred down version, but I hope that answers your question from my perspective! :)
The third semester also worked as an excellent point about personal issues not being resolved that easily. All of the Phantom Thieves fell victim to Maruki's actualization, even if you maxed all confidant ranks which see each individual through their personal struggles. Deep down, they still yearned that which they lost, despite having worked through that loss. The same can be said about Sumire, I suppose.
Considering she tries to kill you during the 3rd semester I would say if she’s is lashing out that much her depression is probably pretty bad (I’m not a professional so I do not know if that is bad), and I think her confidant you see her start to cope in a healthy way, but I thinks she’s going to need to start seeing a non-Maruki counselor to actually fully cope with her sister’s death.
I agree fully and completely! While she’s taken huge strides, she’s not out of the woods yet and should probably continue processing with a professional who doesn’t have a god complex.
ThoughtBubble lol, yeah, he’s definitely not helping
ThoughtBubble yeah- if her sessions with her trainer are anything to go by, she hasn’t gotten over it completely yet.
I think she overcame her depression even after Joker goes back home, im sure she’ll be fine. On another note as soon as i saw your Maruki vid i was so excited already for u to do something for Sumire. Had so much fun watching this and u did my wife justice :)
I'm really glad you enjoyed it! I had so much fun making this video because I think she's one of the most interesting characters in the game.
Maruki is a good boi, yes he has rabies and needs to be put down, but I can never hate him. One of my favorite characters, along side kaSUMI, and Akechi from Royal.
You know. I couldn't relate more with that description of my feelings towards Maruki if I wanted to. lol
I know you asked people about this last time, but I would like to hear about Akechi since he’s personally the most relatable character in persona 5 royal especially in the rank 8 social link.
Akechi is my favorite character. The way he responds to some of the terrible things that happen to him is very interesting, and I like that in Royal you get to see how he presents himself much differently post fight with the Phantom Thieves. He's also just delightfully sassy in the Royal content.
Sorry but I don't relate to a murderer.
furuta kun they’re right tho. But I believe he’s a person before a killer and he is willing to do a lot of wrong so he can make some right (expose Shido)
Clark Milstead well, the wish was granted.
While I think Akechi is an amazing character (morseso in Royal), relatable is not exactly a word I would use to describe him (especially not in rank 8. Not to say it’s a bad rank- no- it’s amazing, but relatable is not a word I would use). Flawed? Absolutely, but given his circumstances, I wouldn’t use the word relatable.
How come you haven't taken the course on what to do when a Lovecraftian being controlled by the mind of an incopetent councilor? I thought that was a first semester class.
You're right... It's just so intimidating that I keep pushing off taking it...
@@ThoughtBubbleYT Totally get it, when I saw it in the chronogram I felt intimidated too.
@@ThoughtBubbleYT you're really nice, answering comments and all.
@@もちの花 Well thank you! It's definitely fun to get to talk to a bunch of different people in the comments! :)
Finding out about Sumire's backstory in the 3rd semester, I could relate with her almost 1 to 1, with the exception of me being the older brother.
My entire life, I'm being outshined in every single aspect of life by my younger brother. Academic success, social life, mental stability, being a lot more outgoing, generally being liked a lot by the entire family to the point of almost everyone thinking he can do no wrong (except for my dad lately when he was able to finally see that my brother loves using others to do the things he has to do, after me trying to get that through to him for the last... 10 years or so) and generally being loved by basically everyone.
The only thing I'm objectively better at than him is being a musician, which *also* doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things, since I chose an instrument to pursue in my childhood you can't make a living with (euphonium), and he chose one you *can* do that with (French Horn). So the joke is on me once again.
I'm also a lot better at reading than him, but he's very dyslexic, so I'm not going to take that as a win over him either since he didn't choose to be.
So what's left for me, is being an unsuccessful, colourblind youngster with ADHD, who has been bullied relentlessly during primary school, has basically no social life, sucks at making connections and generally has no real goal in life, along with being talented at something I honestly cannot really do anything with because of some physical limitations as well.
So yeah, her backstory really hit hard for me.
I love the way you waved off her quick recovery
Yeah. While I can understand and respect why from a narrative standpoint they had to do this, it's definitely unrealistic. lol
I feel like instead of it being more of Joker helping her, it was more of her and her surroundings as she looked at the PTs and how they wanted to move on and do something with their lives and have goals, no matter how difficult it was that burst of motivation/inspiration gave her a chance to regain herself and reclaim her life. Joker was only a part of it, I really do like her and Joker's relationship though, it's really admirable but Joker was definitely of use to her also.
I wonder if the first appearance of Cendillon under the pre-actualization of maruki is the representation of how kasumi perceived sumire , and then the true awakening of Cendrillon after her arcana is restored is now how sumire perceived kasumi - which is the same, just unbeknownst to each other up until that point
Now that I think about it, Atlus may have intended Maruki's therapy session with Sumire to be the trainwreck that it was. I mean this would have been even earlier than his sessions with the phantom thieves when he was clearly still new. And Sumire is NOT a case you'd give to some green new counselor fresh out of the classroom. Especially when he's got a cop-out in the form of memory wipes from an eldritch god. I initially recoiled wondering why he thought this was a good idea but I get it now. It really speaks to the character writing that although this is a horrific decision, I really think it'd be out of character for Maruki to do anything else.
Trying to help someone with depression through the death of a loved one they felt responsible for is a very difficult task and would take a lot of time. Something that someone like Maruki, with his aversion to negative emotions, simply wouldn't be equipped to help anyone deal with, so of course he'd use Azathoth to "fix" this overnight and genuinely believe that he helped her in a way no one else could. Well I went off on this big tangent about Maruki on the Sumire video but that's just because you covered her so well in this vid!
I think you're 100% right, she is definitely a difficult case for a new counselor and if he didn't feel adequately equipped to help her then he ethically should have referred her out to someone who may be more helpful, but I suppose if he was ethical we wouldn't have a plot! lol
I'm planning on making a whole video about this session though! I actually have another series where I'm going through all of Maruki's counseling sessions from the perspective of a counseling student so if you like Maruki stuff that might interest you! I think they're pretty cool (but I'm also very biased).
@@ThoughtBubbleYT Oh I've seen that series and eagerly await the next part, and I'm happy to hear you're going to do a whole video on this session, I kind of thought this video was like a 2 in one or something and was ready to be satisfied with that.
Just a little thing, I think at this point its Adam Kadmon and not Azazoth (the voice that spoke to Maruki during the Rumi scene sounded more like Adam's voice). Adam is Maruki trying to do his idea of helping another while Azazoth is his eventual insanity/savior complex
After finishing Royal, Sumire became such a good character in my mind and I was SO excited to see a character review of her and see other opinions and lenses. I’m glad the first review of her I see is from someone in counseling.
Also I like Maruki’s character still but now I know that he’s a bad councilor. I mean I figured that myself but now I have confirmation lol.
Thank you so much! And I'll be honest Maruki isn't ALWAYS 100% bad, he has a few sessions that weren't terrible... But... When he does poorly he does REALLY poorly and with that level of inconsistency and potential to traumatize his clients I stand by saying he's the worst counselor. lol
Sumire: In the grand scheme of things, I’m grateful to Dr Maruki.
Kazuhira Miller: He’s responsible.... For all this! HE DIDN’T LOSE A DAMN THING! THIS THE ENEMY!! AND HE’S HERE ON HIS KNEE!!!
This is had to be the most interesting video about Kasumi ever. Except the men horny for her. It really goes deep in what really Sumire had gone through as a character. Though I've seen the plot but looking at this detail about her psyche is just fascinating. The fact that her social link has some sort of memory leak even post-actualization you still see bits and pieces of Kasumi and Sumire just smoshed together. Still Dr. Snacks (cuz I like Maruki for the snacks.) had his clinging desire of to help people, his research to prove the people who "rejected" him and losing the love of his life pushed him so far and ended up being a form twisted kindness.
I do hope you make character case study in other anime cuz its very fascinating to see the characters in another point of view.
I found Maruki's actions in the game deeply disturbing, so I'll freely admit to enjoying the "bad counselor" bubbles. While I can sympathize with his motives, forcing other people to accept a solution just because it worked for him (Lovecraftian mind powers notwithstanding) felt so, so wrong.
Sumire truly got the worst of all worlds when it came to that little "counseling" session. I didn't fully comprehend how badly served she'd been before I'd started writing a 50k word story imagining the events of the early game where it simply didn't happen. While the player/protagonist can certainly provide the beginnings of a necessary support network, you can't just "fix" depression, and even my own little coping mechanism/thought sharing exercise ended up giving her a Palace of her own to overcome.
Thankfully, I make no claims to being even an incompetent counselor, let alone a clinical psychologist.
Thank you for posting such an insightful video.
I agree, he may have thought he was doing the right thing, but in reality it was anything but. And thank you so much, I'm glad you enjoyed it and there will definitely be more P5R videos like this on the horizon so keep your eyes out! :)
It wasn't fixing it and he never intended that to even fix it. If you look at the scenes before this, he's waiting for her to relapse so he may talk her out if she ever relapsed. (Or to support your viewpoint, to reapply the actualization.)
When fighting Sumire, whenever she said "Please don't do this to me!" I felt my heart break. I felt terrible, knowing I was hurting her, but I knew that she couldn't keep running away from who she was.
Maruki. Relatively Understandable Motives. BAD METHODS
Truth!
I think Sumari saying that she was glad she met Dr. Maruki isn’t her wanting to go through that again or recommending that anyone should do the same. For many people, they do have a sense of gladness they suffered in some way in order to become as strong as they are to help others suffering. It’s the kind of mindset where those that have suffered are thankful they had suffered in order to become a better person. This same mindset is taught in Persona 5 that suffering is essential in order to become stronger. To take away suffering would be to make the person weaker than they were. Because Sumari had suffered from losing her sister, being brainwashed and being manipulated by someone she thought she trusted, she learned the importance of enduring pain and that even those that try to take away her pain with the best of intentions may led to a destructive path. On top of that, she had gained the best support system, because of Dr. Maruki.
On the question of if she was struggling with major depression, ya that sounds like major depression, I'd hesitate to diagnose, because I'm not even a student of psychology, but as somebody diagnosed with major depression, it sounds like your diagnosis is spot on because those were a lot of the elements that I was dealing with when I received my diagnosis.
I don't think she "overcame" it though, major depression isn't exactly something that I think ends, it fundamentally changes how you think. She's certainly gotten over this particular episode and developed coping skills, but I think it would always make her vulnerable to depressive triggers which can result in falling back to low points and points of utter numbness. I was never taught to expect my depression to be cured, instead "remission" and the like was a word I got a lot.
It seems like she learned to manage it and got tools to bring herself out of low states when they occurred, but I don't think she overcame it, because I think overcoming major depression is a realistic expectation.
I think something on Kanji or Naoto from Persona 4 would be interesting and it might be relevant aswell if the PC port rumor of golden is true but now I really wish I did Kasumi's confidant in the late game now great video
Oh I would LOVE something on Kanji. He’s just the best boy in any persona game
Her confidant is great! And I REALLY hope the port rumors are true.
ThoughtBubble they are. It was just announced esrlier
@@ThoughtBubbleYT Its out right now on steam!
I love Kanji and Naoto. Kanji's social link is so much fun. He's just a lovable dork. Naoto's is fun too.
Really, there's a lot of material on each of the characters to work with in P4, since you get an entire dungeon and boss fight dedicated to their inner thoughts. I'd love to see some analyses on the Inaba gang. Nanako too!
The interesting thing about Maruki's "pre-actualization" of Sumire, which Sumire herself acknowledges after breaking out of it, is that it did keep her in a relatively stable state for a good long time, which contributed in a weird way to her being able to recover naturally once the cognition change was broken. So while it would have likely been much, much better for her to have been sent to a councilor who... well, was better at counseling and didn't have a completely counterproductive mindset for the job (and magic powers to back up said counterproductive mindset), it ended up being the second case of the broken clock being right twice a day (the first being Maruki's old girlfriend, who was literally catatonic). It didn't fix her, but it helped combat the symptoms, like... medication given to a patient stricken with an incurable disease. When she finally emerged and accepted who she was, it wasn't "fresh" anymore. It was returned to a sense of mental immediacy temporarily when Maruki first showed her that memory, but after she was returned to reality, her mind would eventually adjust and it would return to being a memory separated from the present by about a year's worth of other memories. The time she spent as "Kasumi" Yoshizawa didn't vanish either and was, in some way, a part of her. None of this likely erased her depression completely, and we're given only a very short span of time to see what this new Sumire Yoshizawa's mindset must be like (during most of it, she was also a bit preoccupied with saving the world), so I wouldn't call this a true "recovery." Just the first step: acceptance. The strength of heart needed to face oneself made manifest, to borrow that old Persona 4 phrasing.
Oh- hi Lewis. Glad to see you like this deep stuff to.
Also, yeah. While what Maruki did with Sumire was taboo for a counselor, it still helped her in the long run. If not for him, she might have never encountered the Thieves that would help her move on. And part of why I adored her confidant so much is the fact that even when she came back to her senses, she hadn’t exactly gotten over her depression yet but slowly got better with Joker helping her out.
Yeah, it was less that the Brainwashing was good for her and more like Sumire was gonna Persona 3 herself...or pull a Shiho.
I'm really glad I came across this! I saw many people entirely dismissing Sumire's first confidant half, but there were many times where her true personality showed through. In this video, you mention her depression in the first half, which was something I'm surprised I saw quite a few people dismiss other times. I'm wondering if you caught the part where one of the Phantom Thieves, I don't recall which, says something along the lines of she "fought alongside us despite disagreeing with our methods." This was something said long after she became Sumire again. However, she first expressed this as Kasumi to Joker and Akechi, so there's no way this would have been possible unless she still felt that way as Sumire, which would show that many of her opinions were still her own. My understanding of the "Kasumi" we interacted with was really just Sumire tackling life in the way her sister would.
I genuinely love Sumire her character growth is so amazing and even though she did face depression and Maruki “helped” by changing her cognition to completely remove her depression it was a good thing
Sumire had to face her depression to actually become Sumire instead of just Kasumi’s sister and I love it
The strength she shows to overcome it is so amazing to see and so well-written!
As somebody whose simply gone through counseling, I had a similar reaction to finding out what he did to Yoshizowa. The idea of a counselor trying to "fix" me by turning me into somebody else is utterly terrifying. Jesus I shiver at the thought of encountering somebody like him.
He's compelling, but he's horrifying.
I took "Kasumi always made decision for me" as "I just followed whatever she offers or what she's doing"
This video was amazing. You should do this but for goro. From the beginning to the "end" :)
Also I think She did have major depression. As someone who is going through it atm I can sympathize with her a lot. I know the feeling of hating yourself and wanting to be someone else. Looking at the people who don't have depression and don't understand what you are going through. This feeling is far too similar but shes is overcoming it 1000 times faster
Thank so much, and I'm really glad you enjoyed it! Even though I'm sure it's difficult at times, I wish you nothing but the best moving forward. And I promise that I will look at Akechi at some point in the future! :)
@@ThoughtBubbleYT Thank you so much i appreciate it a lot ^^ I am gonna need it lol. Fyi I tried to follow you on Twitter in your bio but it says you do not exist.
@@Mega_Milk_Mommy Of course! And that's strange. I'll try to fix the link, but if it helps my actual twitter handle is @thoughtbubbleyt
Take a good note of Maruki's actions and motives as the similar narrative moves on to Scramble, but through a different form and implementation. It also tackles escapsim in a different manner and reasons, using the similar concept of truama wraping desires into a distortion, in a sense, self locked by their delusions.
"That's not covered until next semester." So does that mean you'll be able to call yourself an alienist after that?
Hmmm. That does have a nice ring to it. 🤔
One of the most telling scenes regarding Sumire's repressed personality is the moment before her persona's first awakening, where she asks a shadow rhetorically, "You're telling me I'm not cutting it? As if I don't know that better than anyone." Her feelings of self-loathing and inadequacy are still very much present beneath the surface of Maruki's cognitive manipulation, and during moments of high duress (such as being threatened with the revoking of her scholarship), the mask begins to crack and reveal her true personality lying beneath.
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I really thought your description of Maruki is interesting in the sense that he got swept into this notion of "fixing" clients instead of empowering them to be themselves. I also thought that Atlus made him a very ironic character insofar as the fact that he is introduced to us as a counselor but arguably HE was the one who needed the most help. He bottled up a lot of his frustrations and anxiety about Rumi and her mental breakdown bc of the murder of her parents. This was shown pretty well in the final fist fight too when Maruki asked Joker to help him kill off his regrets. Even though I cringed at what he did to Sumire, I can't help but like the character and the way Atlus integrated him into the story
Personally, I think Sumire managed to overcome her depression quite thoroughly, in part because she actually was doing so while under the (what I'm going to call) cognitive overlay.
Because, yeah, there were multiple points where Sumire's issues were shining though, and Joker was there to help her through them.
I agree with her observation that Maruki putting the overlay into effect did have an overall positive effect but I'll note that it's almost entirely a case of allowing someone who may have spiralled into a much darker place some time to develop a sufficient support system and should never have been treated as an end-all-be-all solution.
I do have a lot more thoughts on both Maruki as a counselor and his effect on Sumire (admittedly coming from someone with NO schooling or experience with counseling) but I'll save those for the video addressing their session together.
Thank you for your thoughts! I'm definitely excited to sink my teeth into their session from a counseling perspective.
Still haven't finished 3rd semester, but I know most of sumire's stuff so I get another psychology based video! Yay! I continue to enjoy these videos man. They are amazing.
Thank you so much! I'm glad you enjoy them. P5R just has so much great material to cover which makes them really fun to make. :)
REWATCHING THE CUTSCENE TO HEAR HER VOICE PAINS ME ;-;
and im sure sumire was really heartbroken when kasumi said, "because it's my right as the elder sister" :/
after rewatching this after almost a year and my new found understanding of sumire, this video is absolutely my favorite sumire analysis i have seen far. i personally have a connection to sumire, something i won't get into, so i had this perception of her as a character. this video after rewatching it after almost a year allowed me to rethink what i thought of her and i love it. seeing her slowly go back to being sumire was really heartfelt and it made me feel warm and fuzzy inside. sumire as a character has a major impact on me and i love her so much. can i also add that the fact that her persona being cendrillon (french cinderella) was genius. when she became kasumi, it can be seen as she had her fairy godmother allow her to go to the ball. it can also be noted that marukis reality for sumire broke on 1/2, kinda like midnight. the battle with the corrupted cendrillon says a lot honestly when she says "i dont want to go back to my life in cinders ever again!" and then we have joker being her prince as she falls for him during the course of the game as we support her during her journey as both kasumi and sumire and during the last 5 ranks of sumires confidant, we now see shes returning to the metaphorical princess she is, this time not as her sister but as herself. her whole character arc is tied with a beautiful ribbon when her persona becomes ella. ella is the true name of cinderella, in some stories, and seeing that her persona is using her true name when she accepted shes sumire is just heartwarming and i love it so much.
I absolutely love maruki as an antagonist. I haven't felt more disturbed and genuinely irked by a villain for quite a while in a game. It's a lot of subtlety and nuance. Royal was a great adition. The god of control plotline was very grand and epic, but I resonate more that in the end it's an intimate human vs human conflict. Also mad respect for what they did to akechi and kasumi, they recontextualized both of their worst and best traits masterfully as soon as the antagonism shifted to maruki.
As a current Psychology major, I'm incredibly glad I found your channel. Maruki is one of my favorite characters in all of Persona, but it's nice seeing the critique of how he goes about things and showing how he's actually a bad counselor. Also really enjoyed this video talking about Sumire. She has one of the most compelling arcs ever.
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He’s definitely one of my favorites too! I’m glad you enjoyed the video! :) If you don’t mind me asking, do you have an idea of what you want to do with psych? (Don’t feel pressured to answer, I always hated when people asked me that lol)
Yes, I agree with this and their are times you can tell she carried over her true personality.
Although i feel her truly getting over this would take years of therapy and counseling especially when her friends aren't around as often.
From feeling inadequate to grief and depression, their lot of things going on in Sumire mind I wouldn't even know where to begin the healing.
this video is so good, it’s like the opinions I had in my video but expanded on wayyyyyy more, really good work keep it up❤️👍🏼
Thank you so much! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
"surpass her in most aspects of her life, barring cooking."
Something's very wrong with me, because I heard that part as "barring cocaine"
I agree with everything you said in the video, i do think that sumire haven't fully gotten over her depression, even though she is making steps in becoming a better person thanks to people like joker and the time she was kasumi. If you romance her and take her out to white day she says something like "i dont deserve this love" showing that she still hasn't gotten over her depression fully. Hopefully if we ever see her again her arc will be about fully getting over her depression finally
This is more relevant to the Joker/Maruki video but Dr. Maruki reminds me of therapists I've had who are very green, and don't know how to give therapy, lead the session, or challenge the patient. You're right that some people just know the right things to say. I'm one of them. And it comes from shame and humility over my issues and not being able to able up face to face. Therapy via text is honestly the best therapy I've ever had. I'm pulling for you to become a great psychologist, and I find these videos fascinating.
Open**up, rather
I loved this discussion of Yoshizawa; she's always been one of my favorites from the game! I really appreciated the discussion of depression symptoms before the onset of Maruki's actualization, as I don't think it gets talked about enough. I've heard discussion of Sumire functionally using Joker as a replacement for Kasumi and desiring to imitate and rely on him in the way she did Kasumi, which could be implied through the social link and her outfit in the Metaverse, and I'd love to hear your thoughts on that as well- it's the only thing that didn't totally satisfy me about her character arc.
I could never really hate Maruki, aside from being miffed about what he did to Best Girl. I am in no way versed in psychology nor do I feel qualified to help others with depression. But even I could tell Maruki was a hack. Little did I realize!!
What a wonderful analysis... Ty for this tbh. I see far too many misconceptions and misinterpretations of her character. Question, do you also plan to do one for Akechi? I feel he'd be perfect for a video like this. If not, It's ok. still love the content!
I can't say for sure when, but I definitely have plans to do an Akechi video so keep your eyes out!
Haven’t started watching this yet but as someone who really loves Sumi and was really invested in her story, I’m super excited to see this video from you
I hope you enjoyed it! :)
@@ThoughtBubbleYT Absolutely did it was super intriguing to watch. Keep up the good work:)
i didnt expect this kind of persona video. Still awesome as always!
Thank you so much! I'm glad you enjoyed it!
This video was great! I love sumire's character so much, as someone who saws family member die, her sort of becoming delusional ( even though it was maruki's power) really meant a lot to me because I did as well. So glad I found this channel keep up the awesome work!
I love these videos. They’re a great combination of my favorite series as well as psychology which is a subject I am very passionate about. Keep up the great vids!
Imo Sumire’s arc was the best one since it was so heartbreaking & you can really empathize with how painful her life must’ve been with all of those problems. Plus when you look back at her Kasumi confidants all the cracks in her character like the slump and “not feeling like herself” finally start to make sense
Thank you so much, I'm really glad you enjoy them! And I agree I think she's one of the most dynamic and interesting character arcs in the game. I enjoyed every moment she was in Royal!
This ordeal with Sumire wanting to become a different person entirely is the next step up from Naoto wanting to change her gender.
Both were due to unwarranted insecurities about their self image, mind you at least in Naoto's case there wasn't some ethically challenged doctor telling her to go through with it like there is with Maruki telling Sumire.
And for any who are offended by the comparison I honestly think you have blinders on, it is in no way ethical for a counselor to suggest that you cope with trauma by feeding into your delusions, because what happens if you change your mind? You will just be re-traumatized.
Loved this analysis! Really well done!
Thank you so much! I'm glad you enjoyed it! :)
Another phenomenal video
I loved your counseling analyses but having you actually discuss the core plot is amazing too. What are your thoughts on Maruki's world btw? A world wherein people who suffer can live meaningful and happy lives at the cost of free will. It's upsetting because it seems like an easy choice at the surface, but there are so many complications (on both sides) that are worth considering. Not everyone has the privilege of being able to change their lives and work hard for their dreams. Disease, violence, accidents, etc have robbed a lot of people of their happiness. But a world wherein anyone can achieve anything feels like it would make everything feel... mundane. I'm a fairly mediocre programmer, but I don't think I would be happy if Maruki forced me to become a teacher or something.
Thank you so much! And I definitely want to talk about his world in a video at some point, but the short answer is that I don't like his world at all. I mean let's just look at Ryuji. Ryuji had grown so much as a person through the good and the bad moments and he was able to come out the other end as a better person for it but Maruki decided that this didn't fit what he thought Ryuji should want so he "fixed" it. It robs people the opportunity to choose and overcome hardships and difficulty and the opportunity to grow. While there would be definite net positives like the ones you mentioned, I don't think that essentially robbing the world of free will and the opportunities to grow past hardship is worth those sacrifices imo.
@@ThoughtBubbleYT Thanks so much for the detailed response. Your passion and care is something else.
I'm very much the same way. My heart aches at the vast amount of injustice in this world, and sometimes I do think we'd be better off losing our own free will to ensure that people don't suffer, but I think about Ryuji and even my own experiences and through both the good and the bad, those experiences matter to me. Not everyone has the privilege of saying that, but it still applies to a lot of people and it's definitely worth noting.
I appreciate your perspective so much. Thank you, truly, and I can't wait for your next video.
@@PKRockin7 Of course, it's my absolutely pleasure! And the next couple videos (I think) will be pretty cool so keep your eyes peeled!
Very well done, first go around I really didn’t notice a lot but wow do you really see a lot of what you’re saying when you know the story and go around for round two. She is such a well done character and someone most can relate too. I nearly had a heart attack when it was revealed in the palace. I’d love to hear your thoughts on akechi from royal, thought they hit him out of the park for this game too.
I definitely plan on talking about Akechi so keep your eyes peeled in the coming weeks! :)
ThoughtBubble can’t fucking wait!!
This is such a good video, not only for the stuff about sumire, but how you explain just how awful marukis actions were, and how much of a villain he truly is, despite his intentions, awesome vid man
Thank you so much I really appreciate it! And yeah, he definitely wanted to help but his methods were... Literally the worst. lol
P5R is at the same time the furthest from a SMT game as can be, but also interestingly treads some similar story aspects
P5R is a story about 3 protagonists, and the OG SMT is also about 3 protagonists deciding the fate of the world
Ren the player character and -demon- persona summoner
Akechi the chaos hero
Makuri the order hero
The chaos hero sides with demons and destroys themselves for their goal
The order hero becomes akin to a cult leader and devolved a god complex while pursuing their goal
The player character is the "neutral" party that changes the outcomes of the story
I recommend watching LadyVirgilia's video on the Persona 5 characters. She talks about them through the lens of Japanese culture and how each character represents particular problems present in Japanese society. They are really interesting in conversation with what you are doing.
I think the whole Maruki thing was more hos desperate attempt to save Sumire from committing suicide. Its fucked up but I think Ultimately he gave her enough time to meet the Phantoms to truly save her
Her mahou shoujo transformation is due to the fact that Cinderella is the only one who is transformed with magic
Still from the fairy tale, she wants to be worthy of the prince
Her costume makes her a female version of the Joker in a jacket and red gloves
But the mask has inverted colors: black on the outside and white on the inside compared to him
She is also the only one of the girls to have red hair
I reject the final movie Ren could be accompanied to the station to accompany her or greet her and in the romantic case he receives a kiss and then they leave by bus
I really liked Kasumi when I was playing P5 because she is cute and we look simillair, I just have brown hair, but when I started Maruki's palace and looked into her backstory I started to like her character even more since I see myself in her a bit. I have an older brother, he isn't like Sumire's sister but I see myself as Sumire with how I'm more introverted and my brother is extroverted, and how I'm always trying to be like him. I started getting into persona because of him. I am not exactly like Sumire with trying to take his full on image but I'm always trying to be like him like the way he talks, trying to imitate his voice, what he likes etc., I really enjoyed P5R, especially the 3rd semester and mementos arc, I love this video so much you did an amazing job explaining everything :D
They honestly coulda made a whole nother Persona (6) with Marukis story/power honestly, but it does make Persona 5 as a whole stronger being part of it though, what do you think ?
I'd love to see a Maruki analysis.
Thank you for making another interesting video about Persona 5!!
This is that feeling that I had but didn't know what it was. At first my friend and I both saw Maruki as a Hero but on the other side. I however quickly came to disagree but didn't know why. Now I know it was the fact that he was such a manipulative and selfish person wearing the clothes of a selfless deity.
I think the reason he's such a good antagonist is because his motives feel like they're coming from a good place. Who wouldn't like the idea of always being happy? But once we see his methods of achieving this and the effects it has on people it quickly starts feeling like a dystopia pretending to be a utopia. All of the Phantom Thieves had grown so much past their hardships and he literally stole all of their hard work and personal growth because in his opinion that's what they should have wanted. It's kind of disturbing.
It was at the moment Maruki worked his magic on Sumire that he shows why he should not be a counselor. Granted- what he did eventually helped Sumire truly move on in the long run, but Maruki did the complete opposite of what a counselor should do. That said, while I don’t necessarily think this is bad writing on Maruki’s part, at the same time, this is a big ethical NO for a counselor. Regardless, both of them are my favorite characters in Persona 5.
I have a hc that sumire dyed her hair red
Wow. I understood a little of depression from my own life, but this was still very informative. Thank you.
When I'm talking about Kasumi with friends , I usually refer to her as "Sumi" being the end of Kasumi's name and the beginning of Sumire's name.
First thing I noticed about their names, maybe a metaphor for how sumire's life began after she left kasumi's or something
Sumire is by a landslide my favorite character in the game and was years before I ever actually played the game recently, and her arc in the third semester improved her character infinitely for me. I admittedly barely know anything about actual psychology, but she was perfect motivation to take down Maruki and shows the player just how much Maruki's actualization can do to someone's perspective, even without being used to its full potential. Even if the pre-actualization was only targeting Sumire's cognition, it still managed to impact Joker to the point that you only ever hear anyone call her Yoshizawa-san, hiding her true identity from the player until the end. Obviously it's done for writing purposes to make the backstory/trauma hit you as hard as it hits her, but it shows how much Maruki can do without him being ANYWHERE NEAR his full capabilities, especially when taking Adam Kadmon into account. It gives you that "oh crap" moment where you realize what Maruki can do, and even then Maruki is still a stupidly ambiguous character morally, but you know that you can't just give up free will to someone who thinks he knows what will make you happy. Then focusing on her own character arc and not her place in the whole third semester, they managed to make that cutscene probably the SINGLE most depressing scene I've experienced in any game and I love it. Even as an only child who hasn't dealt with loved ones passing away too much, Atlus STILL managed to make one of the most saddening moments in any game I've played with that cutscene. It makes you want to help her if you already liked her character, and even if you didn't like her character at first it makes you feel sympathetic and could potentially counteract your initial thoughts on her.
Again, Sumire's my favorite character so my personal opinions might be a wee bit biased, but she really is THE character of the third semester, even over Maruki. The third semester is her comeback story, her accepting what happened to her sister and realizing she needs to carry the torch left behind by Kasumi, and finding her own person instead of just running away from her trauma. As cool of an antagonist Maruki is and as morally ambiguous as he is, Sumire is effectively THE catalyst for infiltrating Maruki's Palace and changing his heart, since saving her is the main reason Akechi and Joker go back the second time to confront Maruki, and saving her is what truly leads the Thieves to realizing that they need to stop Maruki from changing reality to his will.
tldr Sumire is a great character even from a standard plot writing standpoint also she's freaking adorable look at her
I would love to hear the psychology of Maruki
I definitely have a lot planned for Maruki in the future so keep your eyes peeled! :)
I'm digging all the support for the vid (which tbf it's deserved great vid) but I see no one talking about how much he rocks that shirt
This kind of content makes me happy. I'm pursuing a career in experimental psychology.
Am I the only one who thinks Maruki is like Namatame from Persona 4? They wanted to help people, but they had bad methods, although Namatame was controlled by the culprit, Maruki isn’t controlled by someone or a God.
Thank you very much for the video, I absolutely want to watch more, be it Persona series or something else.
Maybe I'm asking too much but I would love to hear your opinion about the narrator in the game The Beginner's Guide. It's not popular, the whole game is about 2 hours long but this is the only game I've met so far that gave me such strong emotional response.
Thank you for watching! :) I’ve never heard of that but I’m always game for a new experience!
When you think about it, Sumi is actually able to recover at such a quick phase is really due to her loving Protag-kun, and this love even though may be one-sided at the time helps her cope more. Not exactly provable or true but it seems reason enough.
Dr. Maruki was basically God. I accpeted his reality at first. He could end this situation that we're in right now.
as someone who suffers from chronic depression among other mental illness, I am going to agree that it definitely feels as if Sumire was suffering depression like you said.
Bro, I wish my depression could be dealt with in a couple of weeks
Where Kasumi ends... Sumire begins...
Persona 5 just be having everybody thinking! I'm starting to doubt if Persona 6 will have the same if not bigger impact than 5 did.
Im sooo happy to see your channel grow ♡
Thank you SO MUCH. You're one of my day one's and I literally appreciate you so much. :)
@@ThoughtBubbleYT 🥺💕
I already disagreed with Maruki's line of thought anyways but hearing an actual consulor's take on it really puts into perspective how messed up the reality was. I'm curious if your going to analyze his comments to each of the main charachters during the final boss fight since I feel their responses are the perfect closer for their arcs or just plain funny in Akechi's case. It also shows Maruki starting to crack too.
I think she still has a ways to go, recovery isn't a straight shot - but! She has a support system through the phantom thieves and with Futaba going to school (possibly Shujin) at the end of Royal, it's possible that Futaba and Sumire could assist each other and help themselves through helping each other since they understand the extent of what the other went through, as well as hopefully getting continuing external assistance through counseling but...with a different counsellor, lol. I think each of the thieves provide a different and significant source of comfort to Sumire and I'd like to see their friendship grow in the time after canon even if they're not all in Tokyo anymore, some of them will be and at least will only be a phone click away!
i heard "cocaine" instead of "cooking" at first and that really threw me off lol
Maruki had so much repressed guilt in not being there for his wife that when he saw Kasumi and fixed her, he became evil.
I cosplay her phantom thief form, Violet. What is funny with Sumire and myself is when I first started cosplay I had bad self image and wanted to be like the characters I cosplayed. As I continued to cosplay I began to love myself more. Still when I cosplay I try to act like the character because it’s fun. Yet, still my little quirks still remain. Much like Sumire I wanted to be someone else. Someone, while fictional, I considered better than me that I could never attain in any capacity. I cosplay characters that I identify with or admire. That is why I cosplay Violet/Sumire. It’s an honor to cosplay such a beautiful and strong character who overcame extreme hardships