I purchased the pump and filter months ago for my 98 flhrci and finally have time to install it. Not many videos for there for our year bikes so thank you for posting this. 😎🤙🏼
+edisonman1 Make sure your new one is fully seated on bottom. Mine wasn't and I ran out of fuel (because it couldn't pick up any more) before the yellow warning light came on! Lesson learned! Good Luck!
Hi, I have also just changed the pump and noticed that the float for the tank indicator shows me to the rear and runs very close to the pump. it shows even with full tank only 3/4. in your video from minute 15:11 I see that the float points forward. is my fuel gauge installed incorrectly ?
It sounds like it is installed correctly or it would probably show Empty all the time. Does the gauge start falling once the fuel level goes down? Maybe it's hitting something keeping it from reading Full. The important thing is that when it reads Empty you really are low on fuel, otherwise you could be tricked and end up on the side of the road!
No. The regulator is mounted to the intake manifold. It looks like a metal dome and the fuel return line attach's to it to bypass fuel to the tank that is higher than the needed fuel pressure.
Hey Mark ! me again ! Great Video ! Got my manual out and I have got the same setup ! Happy about that ! I think better than the one when u pull it out all that stuffs come out togather ! I really like those black fuel lines ! They just look better than the clear one to me ! I'm really not as worry as I was about those lines ! thanks again
Mark, not sure if you still have your king, im having an issue with my '96 guage its not accurate. Im showing between full and 3/4 of a tank when i know i have a lot less gas in there. Is there a float in the tank that goes up and down, depending on jow much gas is in ther. Or could it be the guage itself. Is there a way do you know how to check guage. Thanks hopefully you know the answer for my question's
Hello Nick. Yes, there is a float on a rod similar to a cars gas tank. It could be that the rod has gone out of spec, and you could try removing the center cover and slightly bend it 'up' so that it would read less fuel in the tank. It could be the fuel gauge itself, but I don't know of a way to test it directly except for moving the float up and down to see if the gauge will read from fuel to empty (hopefully with low fuel light too).
Do you know if the float is under the gas gauge, I rather pull the gas gauge off and remove torx screws, and remove float out that way to check it. Do you remember seeing it on left side of tank, if say your sitting on bike. When you had center cover off. I should change my pump out to, down the line, just want to deal with gauge/float issues first
Mark,What is the purpose of cycling the ignition switch after installing the fuel pump? I put a new fuel pump in my 98 road king classic and took it out and it acted like it wanted to die,limped home and cycled the ignition switch and took it out again and it ran beautifully.
I don't remember now what the purpose of cycling the ignition other than purging air out of the lines. The fact that you ran it for a while it should have purged on its own. So I really don't know why your bike has that reaction.
a lower course filter. Have these items on hand you, and I, don’t have access to a parts department at 2:00am. Anything extra can be returned at a later date
Richard, is the check engine light flashing? Have you checked for codes stored in the ECM? Follow these steps from this website. www.fuelmotousa.com/p-29661-harley-trouble-codes.html Has the fuel filter been changed, ever, to your knowledge? What about the fuel pump? If it isn't showing a fault code, those would be the two things I would consider first as your 'bogging' may be due to a lean fuel condition. Take your plugs out and look to see if they are showing a mostly white fuzz around the tips which would be proof of leaning out. The third item could be your Engine Temperature Sensor. On my 1997 EVO twin it was located in the top center of the front cylinder. If you have a twin-cam 88, check around the internet to confirm where your ETS is located.
Another great video. Thanks again. I changed the tins on my bike and now my fuel gauge doesn't work. Do you happen to have the schematic for how the wires go back onto the gauge?
+bryan hamlin Bryan, I found a diagram of the fuel gauge assembly. Here www.dropbox.com/s/7xqwd2kuiv81cvy/fuel%20gauge%20wiring.jpg?dl=0 It looks like there are 2 wires going to it, positive and negative. They power both the illumination light inside the gauge, and the gauge itself. So, I am thinking that either the wires are backwards and you are sending the positive directly to ground (thus blowing the fuse) or there is something not right with either the gauge or sending unit that is causing this short and fuse blowing. Does the plug only connect one-way?
+Mark Young thanks again for the help. There is no plug inside. Just on the outside (2 wires) where it goes to the fuse box. It might have had a plug at one time but there is no telling with this bike. What I need is what wires go where on the gauge itself. I had taken them all off to put them on another tank and now I'm not sure if the wires were back on the same posts as before. Just trial and error I guess.
+bryanjh73 Ok, well Bryan, I don't see that diagram specifically. But, looking at the diagram I sent you in the link above, it seems to me that there are three connections. The diagram shows the light bulb and gauge connected together on the left wire, which I would take to be ground. The middle wire in the diagram looks to be power as it goes to both the light bulb and the fuel level sending unit. The wire on the right side in the diagram comes from the fuel level sending unit to power the gauge needle. Alternately, the wires on the left and middle could be just the opposite. Positive on the left side wire, and negative (ground) on the middle? It could go either way. But since you were blowing fuses before, it sounds like you were connecting the positive directly to ground, so maybe switch what you were doing before?
@@contact4mwy7 thanks, I actually just went and picked up my multimeter so I can take some electrical readings before I go through pulling that pump all the way
@@joehatchet where do you still have power? Everything else? The fuel pump only powers up when the ignition is first turned on. It Powers up again when the bike starts. This is how I believe it works. There must be a relay that does the turning on and off somewhere on the bike, a fuel pump relay.
Hey Mark. The bike I am restoring is a 1998 FLHTCUI but the fuel pump setup (according to the shop manual) looks very similar to yours. The fuel pump is encased in that cage looking thing which then slides onto the two posts inside the fuel tank. The HD service manual refers to the fuel pump case/cage as an "isopod". This is where I'm hitting a wall. Having no luck sourcing the isopod. The HD parts counter guy says it comes as an assembly, you want the isopod, you gotta buy the fuel pump too. Just under $300 before tax. I've located after market fuel pumps for my model at a third of that price. So I'm reaching out to anyone who might be reading this. Can anybody clue me in as to where I might find that fuel pump case - isopod - for my bike. Thanks.
Lou, I hear you on finding parts. I would use eBay to find used motorcycle parts sellers. Sometimes these are salvage yard people who strip bikes for parts. There may be one of them that if you contact them through eBay that will say "I've got a tank that nobody wanted and it just may have that whole assembly inside!" Something like that. I've done this looking for bike parts and snowmobile parts. Sometimes they even "know somebody" who just might have one or know where to look.
@@greg6812 I followed some good advice. Asked some vendors on eBay and did manage to find a complete assembly (fuel pump, isopod, fuel filter and hoses). The guy would not negotiate and sold it to me for one fifty plus shipping. The bonus was the hoses though. One of my originals was shot and HD told me that one was no longer in their nation wide parts inventory. Pricey, yeah. But the Old Sow is running once again! Thanks to Mark for some solid advice.
Hello! I used the (Drag Specialties Fuel Filter Kit Replaces #61343-95), do a search for that exactly and you will see listings to buy it. Also, for the fuel pump, search for this (New Intank Fuel Pump for Harley Davidson FLHRI Road King 1996-1997) and listings will appear for it as well. I do not have a model number or listing of who I bought it from on Ebay. I paid $20 dollars for the pump, and $40 dollars for the filter. Your prices may vary and it is up to you to choose which price you want to purchase. I will add this to the description. Thank you for asking.
Question for you: When you turn the power to ON, do you hear the fuel pump start up and run for a few seconds? If you do hear it, does it sound like it is flowing fluid or just spinning without a load on it?
I ordered both from ebay yesterday. fuel pump aftermarket to fit 06-07for 39. also a filter from ebay a drag filter also 39. both free shipping.I'm old school knuckle and pans only. My first touring bike. Thanks for the instructions. Omally
Mark,I have commented on your videos before. I have a 1998 Road King Classic and my fuel gauge is broken. I have scoured the web with no luck finding one. This is a Longshot...but do you have one that you would be willing to sell? Or could you steer me in a good direction to find one. The part number is 75099-96A. Thank you for any help you could give....in advance.
@@kevintsetse8440 Hello Kevin, it is my understanding that the difference between the A model and B model of the part number is the paint on the gauge, placement of the fuel icon. Check this out and see if a B model will work for you. There were more of them made so your chances might be better. www.lcsmotorparts.com/en/electrical-parts/75099-96b-fuel-gauge-wbulb-lcs7509996b.html
@@kevintsetse8440 or you could go aftermarket if it's fuel injected? www.adeptpowersports.com/kuryakyn-the-informer-led-fuel-battery-gauge-2507650.html?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwtNi0BhA1EiwAWZaANKknQ_Bdz6TUoF5nvdy0JXHghbbov_FqFJxD1ZhXijg9Ct9g2SSdURoCAx8QAvD_BwE
Mark Young - Outside The Box Mark Thanks for your video. My 1998 Road King sat for a year than wouldn’t, start. Could not hear the pump turn on when I turned on the ignition, I pulled the tank, pulled the pump and replaced it with one from quantum. The pump powers up and the bike runs but after running a couple of minutes quits. If I turn the ignition off then back on it pumps up again fires up than quits after a couple of minutes until I go through the same procedure. Has me baffled. any suggestions would surly be appreciated Thanks.
Oh, wow, Thomas, umm, I don't have anything in mind right away. It's probably not possible or easy to know if the fuel pump is still running when it quits. I no longer have my 1997, so I'm trying to remember if it had a fuel pressure sensor on the intake manifold? I'm pretty sure that's where the fuel pressure regulator is. No check engine indicator?
@@thomaspearce5464 .... I would guess that because the bike fires right back up after you run the pump again , it may have something to do with that pump. maybe replacing it with a Harley pump . It would cost the same or more to have a mechanic look at it. Just my two cents cause I do things myself. It's running out of gas. !
How did you get the exterior fuel lines disconnected? My 98 flhrci has what looks like snap rings on a banjo type fitting. Then bolted to tank. Doesn’t look like it actually comes off the tank. Any ideas?
According to this diagram, the fittings look to unscrew from the tank. Is this what you are seeing? I replaced mine with Goodridge Fuel Lines which have replaceable o-rings. images.app.goo.gl/JEQBoQtDRBsUXSEM7
I’m a long time mechanic and would NOT rate this repair for the faint of heart. Video fails to inform you of ultimately all the parts you will need to complete this task. Have on hand a tank gasket and
I purchased the pump and filter months ago for my 98 flhrci and finally have time to install it. Not many videos for there for our year bikes so thank you for posting this. 😎🤙🏼
Good video, I have a 98 Road King magneti marelli that the fuel pump is acting up. Your video will make it easier to do. Thanks bob.
+edisonman1 Make sure your new one is fully seated on bottom. Mine wasn't and I ran out of fuel (because it couldn't pick up any more) before the yellow warning light came on! Lesson learned! Good Luck!
Hi,
I have also just changed the pump and noticed that the float for the tank indicator shows me to the rear and runs very close to the pump.
it shows even with full tank only 3/4.
in your video from minute 15:11 I see that the float points forward.
is my fuel gauge installed incorrectly ?
It sounds like it is installed correctly or it would probably show Empty all the time. Does the gauge start falling once the fuel level goes down? Maybe it's hitting something keeping it from reading Full. The important thing is that when it reads Empty you really are low on fuel, otherwise you could be tricked and end up on the side of the road!
Thanks Mark.Is there a regulator in the tank.
No. The regulator is mounted to the intake manifold. It looks like a metal dome and the fuel return line attach's to it to bypass fuel to the tank that is higher than the needed fuel pressure.
Hey Mark ! me again ! Great Video ! Got my manual out and I have got the same setup ! Happy about that ! I think better than the one when u pull it out all that stuffs come out togather ! I really like those black fuel lines ! They just look better than the clear one to me ! I'm really not as worry as I was about those lines ! thanks again
Thanks Mark !
Great detailed video.
Mark, not sure if you still have your king, im having an issue with my '96 guage its not accurate. Im showing between full and 3/4 of a tank when i know i have a lot less gas in there. Is there a float in the tank that goes up and down, depending on jow much gas is in ther. Or could it be the guage itself. Is there a way do you know how to check guage. Thanks hopefully you know the answer for my question's
Hello Nick. Yes, there is a float on a rod similar to a cars gas tank. It could be that the rod has gone out of spec, and you could try removing the center cover and slightly bend it 'up' so that it would read less fuel in the tank. It could be the fuel gauge itself, but I don't know of a way to test it directly except for moving the float up and down to see if the gauge will read from fuel to empty (hopefully with low fuel light too).
Do you know if the float is under the gas gauge, I rather pull the gas gauge off and remove torx screws, and remove float out that way to check it. Do you remember seeing it on left side of tank, if say your sitting on bike. When you had center cover off. I should change my pump out to, down the line, just want to deal with gauge/float issues first
Your video is very helpful.
Can the fuel pump's operation be tested by applying 12 m/c battery volts to its positive and negative terminals?
Thanks
Mark,What is the purpose of cycling the ignition switch after installing the fuel pump? I put a new fuel pump in my 98 road king classic and took it out and it acted like it wanted to die,limped home and cycled the ignition switch and took it out again and it ran beautifully.
I don't remember now what the purpose of cycling the ignition other than purging air out of the lines. The fact that you ran it for a while it should have purged on its own. So I really don't know why your bike has that reaction.
@@contact4mwy7 it's running great now,thanks for all your videos. They've been very helpful for me
a lower course filter. Have these items on hand you, and I, don’t have access to a parts department at 2:00am. Anything extra can be returned at a later date
Did it really only have 1400 miles?
Let me ask you a question what is necessary to remove the tank off the bike or you could’ve done it with it on the bike
I believe you can do this with the tank on the bike, and preferably using a bike stand to hold it straight upright.
Where is the pressure regulator?
It's on the intake manifold. Look for fuel a fuel line into it and you've found it.
@@contact4mwy7 Thank you.
Thanks for the info Mark.
You're welcome, I hope it helps.
question , ineed help, my 1999 roadking flhrefi starts bogging after ive ridden it awhile. and i have to stop and let it. cool down what can it be
Richard, is the check engine light flashing? Have you checked for codes stored in the ECM? Follow these steps from this website. www.fuelmotousa.com/p-29661-harley-trouble-codes.html Has the fuel filter been changed, ever, to your knowledge? What about the fuel pump? If it isn't showing a fault code, those would be the two things I would consider first as your 'bogging' may be due to a lean fuel condition. Take your plugs out and look to see if they are showing a mostly white fuzz around the tips which would be proof of leaning out. The third item could be your Engine Temperature Sensor. On my 1997 EVO twin it was located in the top center of the front cylinder. If you have a twin-cam 88, check around the internet to confirm where your ETS is located.
Another great video. Thanks again. I changed the tins on my bike and now my fuel gauge doesn't work. Do you happen to have the schematic for how the wires go back onto the gauge?
+bryanjh73 Thanks Bryan, I will take a look in the Service Manual for that. If you don't hear back from me in a couple days, kick me another message!
+Mark Young thanks I sure will. I plug in the wires coming from the tank and it keeps blowing the fuse.
+bryan hamlin Bryan, I found a diagram of the fuel gauge assembly. Here www.dropbox.com/s/7xqwd2kuiv81cvy/fuel%20gauge%20wiring.jpg?dl=0 It looks like there are 2 wires going to it, positive and negative. They power both the illumination light inside the gauge, and the gauge itself. So, I am thinking that either the wires are backwards and you are sending the positive directly to ground (thus blowing the fuse) or there is something not right with either the gauge or sending unit that is causing this short and fuse blowing. Does the plug only connect one-way?
+Mark Young thanks again for the help. There is no plug inside. Just on the outside (2 wires) where it goes to the fuse box. It might have had a plug at one time but there is no telling with this bike. What I need is what wires go where on the gauge itself. I had taken them all off to put them on another tank and now I'm not sure if the wires were back on the same posts as before. Just trial and error I guess.
+bryanjh73 Ok, well Bryan, I don't see that diagram specifically. But, looking at the diagram I sent you in the link above, it seems to me that there are three connections. The diagram shows the light bulb and gauge connected together on the left wire, which I would take to be ground. The middle wire in the diagram looks to be power as it goes to both the light bulb and the fuel level sending unit. The wire on the right side in the diagram comes from the fuel level sending unit to power the gauge needle. Alternately, the wires on the left and middle could be just the opposite. Positive on the left side wire, and negative (ground) on the middle? It could go either way. But since you were blowing fuses before, it sounds like you were connecting the positive directly to ground, so maybe switch what you were doing before?
Really appreciate the video, my 99 just decided to quit on me, I guess that's the nature of an electric fuel pump though.
I hope the fuel pump is the reason why. It's true nothing lasts forever, right?
@@contact4mwy7 thanks, I actually just went and picked up my multimeter so I can take some electrical readings before I go through pulling that pump all the way
Well.. no power to the power wire , no power at the fuse, with ignition on... Any direction you can point me
@@joehatchet where do you still have power? Everything else? The fuel pump only powers up when the ignition is first turned on. It Powers up again when the bike starts. This is how I believe it works. There must be a relay that does the turning on and off somewhere on the bike, a fuel pump relay.
Everything else has power. A jumper wire tells me the pump , is in fact good, fuses are in good shape
Hey Mark. The bike I am restoring is a 1998 FLHTCUI but the fuel pump setup (according to the shop manual) looks very similar to yours. The fuel pump is encased in that cage looking thing which then slides onto the two posts inside the fuel tank. The HD service manual refers to the fuel pump case/cage as an "isopod". This is where I'm hitting a wall. Having no luck sourcing the isopod. The HD parts counter guy says it comes as an assembly, you want the isopod, you gotta buy the fuel pump too. Just under $300 before tax. I've located after market fuel pumps for my model at a third of that price. So I'm reaching out to anyone who might be reading this. Can anybody clue me in as to where I might find that fuel pump case - isopod - for my bike. Thanks.
Lou, I hear you on finding parts. I would use eBay to find used motorcycle parts sellers. Sometimes these are salvage yard people who strip bikes for parts. There may be one of them that if you contact them through eBay that will say "I've got a tank that nobody wanted and it just may have that whole assembly inside!" Something like that. I've done this looking for bike parts and snowmobile parts. Sometimes they even "know somebody" who just might have one or know where to look.
I appreciate the feed back. I'll follow up on it. Thanks.
Did you find your pod to hold the fuel pump
I got one off of eBay I had to buy the whole set up but it was only a hundred and thirty bucks still spendy but less than 300
@@greg6812 I followed some good advice. Asked some vendors on eBay and did manage to find a complete assembly (fuel pump, isopod, fuel filter and hoses). The guy would not negotiate and sold it to me for one fifty plus shipping. The bonus was the hoses though. One of my originals was shot and HD told me that one was no longer in their nation wide parts inventory. Pricey, yeah. But the Old Sow is running once again! Thanks to Mark for some solid advice.
Can you give me the part # of the filter looks like from biker's choice and the number of the pump and is it still available? thanks
I forgot got it's a 97 road king only fires on either not getting any fuel.
Hello! I used the (Drag Specialties Fuel Filter Kit Replaces #61343-95), do a search for that exactly and you will see listings to buy it. Also, for the fuel pump, search for this (New Intank Fuel Pump for Harley Davidson FLHRI Road King 1996-1997) and listings will appear for it as well. I do not have a model number or listing of who I bought it from on Ebay. I paid $20 dollars for the pump, and $40 dollars for the filter. Your prices may vary and it is up to you to choose which price you want to purchase. I will add this to the description. Thank you for asking.
Question for you: When you turn the power to ON, do you hear the fuel pump start up and run for a few seconds? If you do hear it, does it sound like it is flowing fluid or just spinning without a load on it?
I ordered both from ebay yesterday. fuel pump aftermarket to fit 06-07for 39. also a filter from ebay a drag filter also 39. both free shipping.I'm old school knuckle and pans only. My first touring bike. Thanks for the instructions. Omally
It runs till it sounds like fuel pressure than another smaller sound for 3 seconds.
Great video next time get a better camera angle
Mark,I have commented on your videos before. I have a 1998 Road King Classic and my fuel gauge is broken. I have scoured the web with no luck finding one. This is a Longshot...but do you have one that you would be willing to sell? Or could you steer me in a good direction to find one. The part number is 75099-96A. Thank you for any help you could give....in advance.
@@kevintsetse8440 Hello Kevin, it is my understanding that the difference between the A model and B model of the part number is the paint on the gauge, placement of the fuel icon. Check this out and see if a B model will work for you. There were more of them made so your chances might be better.
www.lcsmotorparts.com/en/electrical-parts/75099-96b-fuel-gauge-wbulb-lcs7509996b.html
@@kevintsetse8440 or you could go aftermarket if it's fuel injected?
www.adeptpowersports.com/kuryakyn-the-informer-led-fuel-battery-gauge-2507650.html?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwtNi0BhA1EiwAWZaANKknQ_Bdz6TUoF5nvdy0JXHghbbov_FqFJxD1ZhXijg9Ct9g2SSdURoCAx8QAvD_BwE
@@contact4mwy7 Thank you for the help...Mark
you are you recording cardboard
MY 2000 ROAD KING ISN'T LIKE THAT
I would say that's because of the change from Magneti Marelli to Delphi fuel injection system?
@@contact4mwy7 .... I think you are on the right track but my bike has the Magneti Marelli and the pump is connected to the top plate.
Mark Young - Outside The Box Mark Thanks for your video. My 1998 Road King sat for a year than wouldn’t, start. Could not hear the pump turn on when I turned on the ignition, I pulled the tank, pulled the pump and replaced it with one from quantum. The pump powers up and the bike runs but after running a couple of minutes quits. If I turn the ignition off then back on it pumps up again fires up than quits after a couple of minutes until I go through the same procedure. Has me baffled. any suggestions would surly be appreciated Thanks.
Oh, wow, Thomas, umm, I don't have anything in mind right away. It's probably not possible or easy to know if the fuel pump is still running when it quits. I no longer have my 1997, so I'm trying to remember if it had a fuel pressure sensor on the intake manifold? I'm pretty sure that's where the fuel pressure regulator is. No check engine indicator?
@@thomaspearce5464 .... I would guess that because the bike fires right back up after you run the pump again , it may have something to do with that pump.
maybe replacing it with a Harley pump . It would cost the same or more to have a mechanic look at it. Just my two cents cause I do things myself.
It's running out of gas. !
Woe talk a out doing it wrong!
That's it? No suggestions on how you would do it differently?
How did you get the exterior fuel lines disconnected? My 98 flhrci has what looks like snap rings on a banjo type fitting. Then bolted to tank. Doesn’t look like it actually comes off the tank. Any ideas?
According to this diagram, the fittings look to unscrew from the tank. Is this what you are seeing? I replaced mine with Goodridge Fuel Lines which have replaceable o-rings. images.app.goo.gl/JEQBoQtDRBsUXSEM7
I’m a long time mechanic and would NOT rate this repair for the faint of heart. Video fails to inform you of ultimately all the parts you will need to complete this task. Have on hand a tank gasket and
Good demo
Your video is very helpful. Can the fuel pump's operation be tested by applying 12 m/c battery volts to its positive and negative terminals?
Thanks
I think so, Rich, but I am not 100% sure. Don't do it around any fuel as any Sparks from the connections could ignite the fuel vapors! Be careful!