@@jonobuchananmusic Oh the temptation, me and my big long track names :) I don't know why I have avoided using templates, but this vid has changed my mind. I generally use the same stuff over and over again, so it's crazy not to have a couple of them. The power on/off tip and the empty track at the start is another golden nugget of joy !!! Sincere thanks Jono.
I just love all the little details he wispers almost like a little secret we are privy to. And also the way Jono anticipates my thoughts and questions is just amazing! The sign of a true communicator!
Jono, I don't know what to say. Normal "thank you"s won't cut it. I'm just gonna say that if I ever happen to be in the UK, I'm gonna come and find you and shake your hand and thank you in person. This particular mix of meticulousness/thoroughness/passion/compassion/mastery is rare to say the least. Please keep it up, and I don't think you EVER need to worry about your audience falling asleep, just talk away man, make it as long as you need it to be, every minute of it would be a great pleasure to listen to. 🤍🤍🤍
around 29mn, you're saying "you're welcome".. i guess at last, you said it, cause i kept repeating "thank you thank you thank you" since the beginning of your GREAT video so... THANKYOU !!!!!!!!!
Jono, This vid shows years of experience and more importantly, wisdom. Staying organized and consistent is the best way to stay in the creativity zone.
Fantastic tutorial. I, for one, am a fan of long form content such as this. You make it feel like it’s only 10 minutes long, and that’s not easy to do. Thank you!! Please, keep them coming 😎
Thank you so much for your generosity - I'm extremely grateful. If Orchestral Sample Programming is a topic you're particularly interested in, stay tuned, as there are announcements to come soon.
I am a professional composer who has never got around to using a system of Logic templates... and this is a brilliant tutorial. I had quite a few questions on the practicality of setting up a template - such as bus/aux organisation, deactivating instruments, stem organisation etc and this answer all of them! The tip on the mixer view multiple line track name config made my day. Many thanks.
Fantastic videos as always! I've learned so much over the past few years starting with your presentations at Guildhall and then with all these recent ones. In regards to the on/off button: If a track is activated that ends up not being used, you may have to option-click the power button so it deactivates completely to free up memory. Without option-click it still stays loaded up. Granted, loading up the session again with them deactivated will do the trick, too. This is just an "in session" tip I've found useful.
Nice tutorial. I've been using them for years, everything in this is spot on a gold. Great you've condensed this all down to a nice flowing video, no easy task.
Thank you so much for this, Jono! That is one of the best videos about setting up a template and other useful tips that I have seen! Very useful indeed! Any chance of a video about how to set up some common players such as Kontakt and Spitfire in Logic Pro for maximum efficiency with orchestral sample libraries?
FYI, I found if you have the last channel in a given summing stack selected when you highlight your EFX AUX channels, and then do the CTRL T to create tracks, they will propagate within the summing stack to the right of the instrument channels.
Thank you for the basics. Planning for stems and separate FX is something I was missing. I appreciate it. You should do something for Vienna Ensemble Pro 7. There is no good information out there. Everyone seems to skip over the details of how to route it all to Logic and configure larger templates. Or they leave it buried in the middle of their hour long sales pitch.
Hi Nigel. Many thanks. I’ll definitely give some thought to doing something around Vienna in the future, though this is very much a Logic Pro channel for now! Many thanks for the suggestion though.
The video to end all discussions on templates! I lost count on how many times I watched it. Your videos are both instructive and inspiring, despite your numerous attempts, as of yet I have never dozed off 🙂. I implemented a slight variation of your method. Rather than fleshing out all the instrument tracks (like Violins 1/2, Violas etc) I just create a track stack per instrument group (as you did) and inside that stack I have three template tracks. 1 midi track, 1 audio track and the effect tracks. The first two configured with all the sends (same as you). That way I dont end up with a lot of empty tracks that, depending on the type of composition, I may not even need - but I still can expand the group with new tracks/effects with all the sends and volumes preconfigured by just using "duplicate track" {COMMAND D}. This won't help of course if you want to pre-populate your template with actual plugins. I see that. Having all the tracks already laid out, might also help as a reminder what instrument group is still missing from your composition, but ... ... for my personal workflow where I do not have my go-to instrument library for each Instrument, I am more flexible. And in the beginning when I am still 'pathfinding' through ideas, the project file appears smaller optically but still has the option to "escalate" quickly. -> I'd love to see a user group (even if for a modest price) outside of youtube (discord?). For your followers to interact with each other and, of course, with you to further our skills. However, I have been in many of these before and moderation is, to put it mildly, a challenge and many have failed in this regard. Maybe making it not totally free (patreon?) might help with that. I should stop rambling...
Hi. Absolutely, that's a great way to work if you don't want to pre-load Instruments and it certainly saves on 'wasted' tracks. That said, if you're careful with the On/Off buttons, those tracks won't actually be wasted as they'll never load! But it's certainly neat and tidy to work your way. Thanks so much for the kind words. There's no rambling! It's nice to think ideas out loud. : ) I think a discussion group is a nice idea and something I'm happy to think about as the channel moves forwards. Leave that with me and Will and I'll come back to you.
wonderful, quite informative. The amount of detail you give is fantastic not only here but in all your classes. btw, your the reason I subscribed to faderpro. Thank you
What an amazing video. This is a fantastic exercise that I followed and completed using your example of a template. This will help me create my own style template now that I understand how you can set up, and route busses for my style of writing. Sooo interesting that I now need to go to sleep. It's 11:30pm in Brisbane. Thanks Jono and G'night!
Hey Jono! just found out about your channel today, great content btw!! One tip, make sure to option + click the on/off button on tracks to actually load/unload instruments from RAM, otherwise you'll notice that big templates will still remain quite heavy even without any instruments turned on (at least this has been my experience). Cheers!
Thanks so much for the kind words and for sharing your experience. I'll look into this a little more; here, the RAM footprint for my Template with the On/Off buttons set to 'Off' has been light, with instruments only loading when called on. But thanks for letting me know - I'll do some more digging!
Great Vids Jono, Thanks for sharing your soul. Have you any plans for doing a video on how to print out a score ready for real people to play. I would find this helpful as other may as well. Thanks
Excellent ideas and strategies. Outstanding, as always! Jono, question: any tips then for adding names to the reverbs/delays/FX? Set it for 3 rows on the mixer?
Hello Jono, Thank you very much for your great videos. Are there any other videos for template? For example, which Verbs and which settings you work with. That would be great. Best regards Klaus
Hi Klaus. Thanks so much for your kind words and your question. As this is, first and foremost, a Logic Pro channel and one which (I hope) encourages creativity and personal choices, I'd be reluctant to make too many specific recommendations about specific sounds and effects. What I hope to do in this mini-series is to provide those interested with a framework and some understanding of how to get up and running with a structure for computer-based orchestral programming. But it certainly true that, in due course, this is a topic I'm intending to dive into in greater depth, albeit in a slightly different format. Watch this space!
Great channel, Jono : a massive thank you for it all ! I personally tend to put longs and shorts in each section or even divisi, say : Violin 1= Longs/shorts ; Violin 2= Longs/shorts , etc. And this, probably in order to kind of « mirror » the score. In your opinion, what would be the flaw of this approach ? Do you use the break down you showed in the video as it is your spontaneous (o, a, e, o, u) preference, or because of its particular advantage ? Hopefulli-er, this is not a too boring question of an hypnotized… euh … well you know… 🐸
Ha! So long as it sounds good to you and is providing you with the flexibility you need, any Template set up for strings, winds and brass can absolutely work. Remember, the idea of working with orchestral samples is to replicate the sound of an orchestra as closely as possible (unless we're being wilfully creative), so any way of working which is in pursuit of that goal is great.
Great video! I learned tons of useful things. Unfortunately, I can't manage to option-click and on On/Off button to work. I follow the steps but, when I open the template, all the instruments load. Does somebody here have an idea of why this happen? Thanks.
Hi Luca. Sorry you're having that issue. Are you opening the Template with an empty Audio track selected at the top? Any Track Stack will auto-load all of the instruments inside it if you boot your project with that Track Stack selected. Let me know if that helps fix it.
@@jonobuchananmusic thank you so much for your kind replay. Yes, I'm opening the Template with the empty Audio track selected and on top of all. I repeated the process many times, really I don't know what happens here. I'll search for more info in the web. Thank again!
I started building the template and 2 hours later my Mac and Logic I'm not sure which, are giving me a hard time programing the Effects aux. I did it all until I got to the Synth Pads section. For some reason I can't make it work as the AUX channles don't appear where they should in the Track section. Also, when I create the first bus to the AUX channel the channel strip appears after some track stacks in the mixer. I don,t know how to explain this it's so strange.
Don't worry, I think I know what has happened. If you have a Track Stack open whilst you're setting up Aux tracks and you then select the Aux tracks you've set up from that Stack and Control-click in the Mixer to 'Create Tracks', they're automatically assigned into that Stack. But if the Stack is closed, they're added to the Main Page 'outside' of the Stack. To fix this, close the Mixer, having Created Tracks for the Aux channels you've set up for the Synth Pads. Then open the Synth Pads Track Stack, then select the Aux tracks in the Main Page. Drag the Aux tracks up into the Synth Pads Track Stack and you'll see that the output assignments for those Aux Tracks will change to match the Software Instrument tracks in that Stack. That's it, you're done! Let me know if that works for you.
Wow! Amazing amount of useful info in all your videos. A question about the template video. I'm not clear on how this works with Kontakt. As I understand it, setting up multiple instruments in Kontakt requires clicking the plus sign in the initial track to add new ones. If the template is already set up how do you integrate each track from Kontakt into the tracks in the template?
Hi Paul. You're right, this would be a slightly different way of working. In my Template video, I'm assuming one instrument per Track, albeit with the option to bring in Articulation Switching if needed. If you'd prefer to work with 'racks' of Kontakt instruments within a single instance of that plug-in, MIDI Channel assignments are what you need. Leave it with me and I'll make a video along these lines early in the New Year.
Brilliant / thorough / clear / easy to follow - thank you! Is there a way to have tracks "automatically" go "on" when you use them? I'm using a template provided by Spitfire for their BBC Symphony that seems to do that . . . thanks for this series!
Hi Peter. That sounds like it would an excellent addition - it's not one I know of but I'll do some digging. If you find the answer before me, let us all know! If you click the 'On' button for a whole Track Stack, it will turn on all channels inside it, so that's certainly one way to launch multiple Track types simultaneously.
a tip for everyone watch every video of JB from start to finish, I think that even for Pro users there are still valuable tips💡 that will make your Logic life easier.. JB makes Logic great again🔎
Hi! I watched some of your content and it’s great. Thank you! I had a follow up question though - how do you go about panning the instruments? I heard different advice. On one hand I heard you need to place and pan each sound and instrument in the stereo field according to where they would be in the actual orchestral placements. Is this true? If so, would you recommend balanced pan knob, stereo panning, or binaural panning? on the other hand, I heard from audio engineers, never to pan your orchestral libraries, because you are essentially panning whole rooms that I’ve already been recorded, according to where the instrument placement should naturally be to begin with. And so, by panning them, it makes it sound more unnatural….what are your thoughts on all of this? When the goal is to get a very clear and clean mix to where it doesn’t sound like all of the instrumentation is sort of piled on top of each other? does it differ with different libraries? Do you happen to know how I can tell which libraries are pre-placed and shouldn’t be panned? Versus the libraries that don’t have any panning and need to be placed appropriately within the stereo field?
Hi and many thanks for your question. The approach taken by companies recording orchestral libraries falls into two categories. Most are now recording the orchestra 'in situ', meaning that their 'correct' position in the stereo field is captured. You'll be able to tell that this is the case by auditioning any first violins patches which you'll see are biased to the left-hand side of the mix, as that's where they sit from the conductor and audience's perspective. Similarly, you'll find the Cellos are biased to the right. Sometimes it's easier to hear this with headphones rather than speakers, depending on the acoustics of the room you're working in. Some companies are still recording their orchestral libraries with each instrument group equally spread in the stereo field (Vienna Symphonic Library's Dimension Strings, for instance), so that you're in a position to place them wherever you like. If you want the orchestral elements of your tracks to sound 'like an orchestra', having a diagram of where the different orchestral sections traditionally sit on the sound stage will be helpful so that you can both pan them in the stereo field and use reverb to 'space' them accordingly too. If you do use the pan dial and you're working in Logic, Control-click this to select Stereo Pan. This allows you to use all of the recorded sound (ie both the left and right channels) and to place this wherever you like in the stereo space. The 'regular' left/right pan dial is effective a cross-fader for the portions of the signal on either side, so will be less effective. If orchestral programming and mixing is something you're interested in, do stay tuned to the channel in the coming weeks - exciting announcements to come.
Hello from Brazil, Jono! Thank you very much for another wonderful lesson. If we want to export the effects and reverbs in separate stems, would it be better to create stacks just for them?
Hi. Good question. My advice would be that if you want to print stems without reverbs/effects, that you 'un-hide' the FX Auxiliaries and just mute them. This will allow you to print each Stack as a Stem without FX. And if you want to print 'FX only' versions of each Stack too, you can unmute the effects and solo them instead. That way, they'll still receive the inputs required to play but, as they're solo'd, only the FX will be captured in the Export. I hope that answers your question.
You’re a genius. So clear, so informative. Just one question…when adding instruments, would you use individual instances of Kontact? I would normally use single instances but with multiple instruments but not sure how to do this with tracks already set up (as per template) Do you have a vid which adds a multi instrument instance of kontact to tracks already created in the template? Thanks so much….
Thanks so much - I'm not sure about 'genius', but I'll take it! Assignment of mutli-instrument Kontakt instances isn't something I've looked at in a video yet but is definitely something which will be addressed in due course. In the meantime, if you like working that way, you absolutely can. All you'd need to do is to assign your Kontakt instrument into your Stack of choice and then create individual Instrument tracks with different MIDI channel numbers to access the different instruments you've set up in Kontakt. There is still a huge benefit to working with Track Stacks and effects Auxes as we've explored in this video if you work this way, as it will make Mixing and Stemming much more straightforward. So, in short, work as you have been doing, but do consider Track Stacks and Aux routings as per this video! Hope that makes sense. Thanks again.
Hi Hendrik. Folder Stacks 'only' allow you Volume control for groups of sounds you put into them. So if you want to add any Insert of Auxiliary effects to Track Stacks, the Summing Stack will always be the better option. In truth, I can't remember ever setting up a Folder Stack; I always want the potential for the extra flexibility that Summing Stacks provide. That's just me personally, of course. Hope all's good with you!
@@jonobuchananmusic Much appreciate your detailed comment Jono. I have noted this and will add this to my template. I am doing well and guiding my clients to see the Northern Lights and when not being out I am working on completing my book on how to prepare yourself to get the most out of your Northern Lights Tour. And in my spare time I trying to compose some music :-)
They're stereo Auxiliary Bus Tracks. One of these will be created whenever you send a Software Instrument or Audio Track to a Bus - automatically, Logic will create an Auxiliary Track for it, into which you can Insert the FX of your choice. Multiple Tracks can send to the same Auxiliary if you like, just like on a mixing console.
Thanks so much. It's not downloadable, I'm afraid. There is a free-to-download template available if you purchase 'Orchestral Programming 01'. There's 20% off the list price for that course until midnight tonight using the code GiveMe20.
Hello Jono. I would ask you. In case this is template for orchestra, do you prepare stereo pan for sections like first violins, second violins, brasses etc.according to standard orchestra layout? Btw thanks for your content. It helps me a lot. 👍
Thanks so much, Mirek. The answer to your question depends on the Orchestral Libraries you're using. Most (like the Spitfire Audio libraries) are recorded with the orchestra in their 'stage positions', so you'll see that the Violin 1 samples are naturally placed to the left, as they've been recorded there. So unless you want to exaggerate the Pan, there's no 'need' to if you don't want to. Other libraries, like Vienna Symphonic Library's Dimension Strings, aren't recorded like that so, yes, when I'm using those strings, I do Stereo Pan them into position. I hope that helps.
Yes, I have separate Stacks for Strings Longs and Strings Shorts, so in this example, the Track Stacking process assigned the Long Strings to Bus 2 and the Short Strings to Bus 3. 'The next' Aux/Bus routing will be applied to each new Track Stack, so the specific numbering assignments don't matter so much; what's important is that each group of sounds you want to work with in a related sonic category have their own Track Stacks.
To save a Template, go to File > Save As Template. Give it a name but don't change the default File Location. To open it, click File > Load From Template and on the left-hand side, browse to 'My Templates' where you'll find the file you saved. Carry on working on any Template changes you want to make and then re-select 'File > Save As Template. If you want to over-write your previous Template, just save it with the same name and Logic will ask you if you want to replace the previous one. Confirm that you do and you'll be all set.
Thank you I will do that. It's very strange how no one talks about this in the Logic Template videos. It is an important process when you are building a big template and you can't do it all in one day. Or maybe you just want to add things. When I tried to save it a second time it I did not see an option to replace the first one. It only gave me the usual option. Maybe I was not in the right window or something. I will try again. Do I have to retype the original name everytime.@@jonobuchananmusic
Hi. This Template isn't available for download just yet. I'm very keen for those interested to spend some time applying the techniques which are relevant to their workflows into their own templates. But a resource with Templates may well appear in the future. Watch this space!
Jono, just found this series (great content btw!) as I’m working on developing a new template. Question on fx aux…I’ve set up an overall summing stack for strings, within that I have 5 sub-summing stacks for V1 to bass (cleaner for me to see each on their own ex. solo, longs, shorts, trems/pizz as well graduated colour). So doing the fx aux bus I would think to place them in the overall strings summing stack as opposed to within each sub instrument stack. Does that sound right? Cheers!
Thanks for your question, Darren. Whatever you need for flexibility is what should drive your decision. If you're happy for all of those sub-stacks to access the same reverb settings, yes, a single set of Auxiliaries for all of your Strings will be fine. If you think there's a chance that you'll need independent reverb settings for those different Articulation sub-sets, things will become more complicated if they're routed through to a 'master' Track Stack.
@@jonobuchananmusic thanks Jono, that helps me to know I’m on the right track. Fair point about potentially needing independent reverbs for various arts, but that seems complicated and I prefer to be more anti-complicated. To date I’ve been bouncing midi to audio to do mixing in which I then create instrument groups and aux channels for reverbs as sends, but finding that’s a lot of post production work. So having a template that’s essentially pre-mixed with reverbs, EQ, fx etc. would save so much time. NGL the technical stuff makes my head hurt but your approach and explanations really simplify things. Thanks again!
Hi Daniel. You're quite right. I think maybe the words are both potentially applicable - I did worry that plenty of people would sleepwalk through this tutorial.
@@jonobuchananmusicI have definitely taken in some of your videos in a high hypnogogic state, only to then be sat in Logic in a somnambulant state. Prefer not to be ambulatory and agog simultaneously, lest the uptake is affected. I am here to have tips and tricks snuck into my brain✌🏻🧠
Hi Jono. Absolutely perfect material. It's a pity you didn't make it two months earlier. I could use it. I made a similar template some time ago, but it's not as sophisticated as yours. Currently, after many years of working commercially in radio and advertising, I am implementing my own project that I have always had in mind for fun. I love Frank Herbert's work and the new Dune films were the spark that stimulated me to fulfill my own vision of Dune music. My template, to handle multiple instruments from Spitfire, Ujam and other instrument packs, and audio tracks, includes over 300 tracks, a huge amount of aux, bus, returns for various effects, compression, reverbs, echoes and other sound changers. I can barely control it anymore. The computer also screams with effort, even though I have the largest configuration available on the market for MacBook Pro. Luckily I only did two pieces. I have a long road ahead of me. Please allow me to use your concept in the production of subsequent sounds. It is more developmental and readable. ❤ You are in a class of your own. Thanks. Ps. the cool thing about this concept with drop-down traces, for example violins. At my place, there are a dozen traces that all go the same way to several sends and are picked up by several auxes on which I hung reverbs. How did you do this? What I mean by that is to visually reduce the number of tracks visually....
Thanks so much Waldo and huge thanks for the description of your template. The answer to your question is to use Hidden Tracks. For any Tracks you don't need to see all of the time, which would certainly include FX Busses and possibly could include some Instrument tracks you don't use regularly, you can enable Track Hiding, meaning that they'll only become visible when you want them to. If you watch the section from 20:48, I hope it will be apparent how to do this. Let me know if that answers your question. Thanks again, as always.
Im on a mission to watch and like your videos
Excellent! Happy viewing! And thanks so much.
Changing lines from 1 to 2 to display all the text. Magic! This is why I watch this content end to end. Little nuggets all over.
If you’re feeling greedy, John… you’re even allowed 3 lines. 😉 Thanks as always.
@@jonobuchananmusic Oh the temptation, me and my big long track names :) I don't know why I have avoided using templates, but this vid has changed my mind. I generally use the same stuff over and over again, so it's crazy not to have a couple of them. The power on/off tip and the empty track at the start is another golden nugget of joy !!! Sincere thanks Jono.
I just love all the little details he wispers almost like a little secret we are privy to. And also the way Jono anticipates my thoughts and questions is just amazing! The sign of a true communicator!
Jono, I don't know what to say. Normal "thank you"s won't cut it. I'm just gonna say that if I ever happen to be in the UK, I'm gonna come and find you and shake your hand and thank you in person. This particular mix of meticulousness/thoroughness/passion/compassion/mastery is rare to say the least. Please keep it up, and I don't think you EVER need to worry about your audience falling asleep, just talk away man, make it as long as you need it to be, every minute of it would be a great pleasure to listen to. 🤍🤍🤍
Thanks so much - that's very kind. You're most welcome!
I am so happy right now building this template with your guidance.
I am so agreeing with you @Maybe.A.Musician. I could never fall asleep...
around 29mn, you're saying "you're welcome".. i guess at last, you said it, cause i kept repeating "thank you thank you thank you" since the beginning of your GREAT video
so... THANKYOU !!!!!!!!!
Thanks Laurent! I’m so glad it was helpful. And you really are very welcome. 😉
Really usefull thanks
You're welcome, Dean.
I had no idea that this depth of layering existed in this way, and it has proved SO useful! Thank you!!! 👍👍👍👍👍
You're most welcome, Peter. Thank you too!
“I’m back!” & “You’re welcome.”
My God, how many times have I watched this?
At least once…?! 😉 Hope it was helpful.
Probably 3.5 times at this point. I’m making templates for different tasks including at least one new for composing in Logic Pro for iPad.
Jono, This vid shows years of experience and more importantly, wisdom. Staying organized and consistent is the best way to stay in the creativity zone.
Thanks so much, Andy. Much appreciated!
Brilliant video. Thanks so much Jono.
What a fantastic resource your channel is proving to be ...
Super! That was always the hope... I'm very pleased to hear it's working for you.
Thank you Jono! Even if we focused on ballet classes :) your music lessons are very inspirational! Hello from Hungary!
Ballet classes... now there's a thought! Thanks so much.
🥰 @@jonobuchananmusic
Fantastic tutorial. I, for one, am a fan of long form content such as this. You make it feel like it’s only 10 minutes long, and that’s not easy to do.
Thank you!! Please, keep them coming 😎
Thanks so much and, absolutely, plenty more to come!
Thanks
Thank you so much for your generosity - I'm extremely grateful. If Orchestral Sample Programming is a topic you're particularly interested in, stay tuned, as there are announcements to come soon.
Excellent. Just what I was looking for. I shall now spend many hours watching your extremely informative and superbly presented videos.
Thank you 🙏🏼
Thank you so much, that's greatly appreciated.
I am a professional composer who has never got around to using a system of Logic templates... and this is a brilliant tutorial. I had quite a few questions on the practicality of setting up a template - such as bus/aux organisation, deactivating instruments, stem organisation etc and this answer all of them! The tip on the mixer view multiple line track name config made my day. Many thanks.
Great, I'm so glad to hear it was helpful. I hope you'll find that a Template makes a big difference to your workflow. Enjoy building!
Fantastic videos as always! I've learned so much over the past few years starting with your presentations at Guildhall and then with all these recent ones. In regards to the on/off button: If a track is activated that ends up not being used, you may have to option-click the power button so it deactivates completely to free up memory. Without option-click it still stays loaded up. Granted, loading up the session again with them deactivated will do the trick, too. This is just an "in session" tip I've found useful.
Thanks so much, Travis, both for the kind words and for sharing that tip. Much appreciated!
Most welcome! Also, spoke too soon. It's option-shift-click on the on/off to disable! @@jonobuchananmusic
Nice tutorial. I've been using them for years, everything in this is spot on a gold. Great you've condensed this all down to a nice flowing video, no easy task.
Thanks so much.
Thank you so much for this, Jono! That is one of the best videos about setting up a template and other useful tips that I have seen! Very useful indeed! Any chance of a video about how to set up some common players such as Kontakt and Spitfire in Logic Pro for maximum efficiency with orchestral sample libraries?
Thanks so much, those are very kind words. I'm hoping Part 4 might address some of those questions; ask me again once you've seen it (in a few weeks)!
“Facetious” has all 5 vowels in alphabetical order. Brilliant video, btw!
It sure does! Don't get me started on abstemious! Too late...
FYI, I found if you have the last channel in a given summing stack selected when you highlight your EFX AUX channels, and then do the CTRL T to create tracks, they will propagate within the summing stack to the right of the instrument channels.
AKA select the “Duplicate” track
Absolutely, that's exactly the way to do it.
Thank you for the basics. Planning for stems and separate FX is something I was missing. I appreciate it. You should do something for Vienna Ensemble Pro 7. There is no good information out there. Everyone seems to skip over the details of how to route it all to Logic and configure larger templates. Or they leave it buried in the middle of their hour long sales pitch.
Hi Nigel. Many thanks. I’ll definitely give some thought to doing something around Vienna in the future, though this is very much a Logic Pro channel for now! Many thanks for the suggestion though.
So good I’m downloading it to watch again on my flight.
Great to hear, thanks so much.
The video to end all discussions on templates! I lost count on how many times I watched it. Your videos are both instructive and inspiring, despite your numerous attempts, as of yet I have never dozed off 🙂.
I implemented a slight variation of your method. Rather than fleshing out all the instrument tracks (like Violins 1/2, Violas etc) I just create a track stack per instrument group (as you did) and inside that stack I have three template tracks. 1 midi track, 1 audio track and the effect tracks. The first two configured with all the sends (same as you). That way I dont end up with a lot of empty tracks that, depending on the type of composition, I may not even need - but I still can expand the group with new tracks/effects with all the sends and volumes preconfigured by just using "duplicate track" {COMMAND D}.
This won't help of course if you want to pre-populate your template with actual plugins. I see that. Having all the tracks already laid out, might also help as a reminder what instrument group is still missing from your composition, but ...
... for my personal workflow where I do not have my go-to instrument library for each Instrument, I am more flexible. And in the beginning when I am still 'pathfinding' through ideas, the project file appears smaller optically but still has the option to "escalate" quickly.
-> I'd love to see a user group (even if for a modest price) outside of youtube (discord?). For your followers to interact with each other and, of course, with you to further our skills. However, I have been in many of these before and moderation is, to put it mildly, a challenge and many have failed in this regard. Maybe making it not totally free (patreon?) might help with that. I should stop rambling...
Hi. Absolutely, that's a great way to work if you don't want to pre-load Instruments and it certainly saves on 'wasted' tracks. That said, if you're careful with the On/Off buttons, those tracks won't actually be wasted as they'll never load! But it's certainly neat and tidy to work your way.
Thanks so much for the kind words. There's no rambling! It's nice to think ideas out loud. : )
I think a discussion group is a nice idea and something I'm happy to think about as the channel moves forwards. Leave that with me and Will and I'll come back to you.
Amazing Jono! Thanks!
My pleasure!
wonderful, quite informative. The amount of detail you give is fantastic not only here but in all your classes. btw, your the reason I subscribed to faderpro. Thank you
I hugely appreciate that, thank you. I hope the FaderPro courses were useful. Stay tuned to this channel for some upcoming announcements.
What an amazing video. This is a fantastic exercise that I followed and completed using your example of a template. This will help me create my own style template now that I understand how you can set up, and route busses for my style of writing. Sooo interesting that I now need to go to sleep. It's 11:30pm in Brisbane. Thanks Jono and G'night!
It sounds like the video served the dual purposes of helping you build a template AND providing some drowsiness - excellent!
Great tutorial with lots of really good tips. Now i need to get my head around how to use the reverb tracks to their fullest :)
Thanks so much, Alan.
I am so happy right now building this template with your guidance.
Great! Let me know how it works out for you.
Tremendous!!!! So helpful!!!! Thanks again JB!
You're extremely welcome.
Brilliant Jono!!! Thanks
You’re welcome!
Hey Jono! just found out about your channel today, great content btw!! One tip, make sure to option + click the on/off button on tracks to actually load/unload instruments from RAM, otherwise you'll notice that big templates will still remain quite heavy even without any instruments turned on (at least this has been my experience). Cheers!
Thanks so much for the kind words and for sharing your experience. I'll look into this a little more; here, the RAM footprint for my Template with the On/Off buttons set to 'Off' has been light, with instruments only loading when called on. But thanks for letting me know - I'll do some more digging!
Great Vids Jono, Thanks for sharing your soul. Have you any plans for doing a video on how to print out a score ready for real people to play. I would find this helpful as other may as well. Thanks
Thanks so much. That’s a topic I’ll happily add to the list. Many thanks for the suggestion.
Thank you so much !!!
You’re very welcome!
Excellent ideas and strategies. Outstanding, as always!
Jono, question: any tips then for adding names to the reverbs/delays/FX? Set it for 3 rows on the mixer?
Hi Bob. Yes, exactly that, 3 rows should give you the space you need to write sufficient text for instruments/FX. Thanks!
Hello Jono,
Thank you very much for your great videos.
Are there any other videos for template?
For example, which Verbs and which settings you work with.
That would be great.
Best regards
Klaus
Hi Klaus. Thanks so much for your kind words and your question. As this is, first and foremost, a Logic Pro channel and one which (I hope) encourages creativity and personal choices, I'd be reluctant to make too many specific recommendations about specific sounds and effects. What I hope to do in this mini-series is to provide those interested with a framework and some understanding of how to get up and running with a structure for computer-based orchestral programming. But it certainly true that, in due course, this is a topic I'm intending to dive into in greater depth, albeit in a slightly different format. Watch this space!
hey there thanks for these great informations. I just found out that Logic does only clear all the RAM by : option click the turn off button.
Many thanks for sharing. 👍
Great channel, Jono : a massive thank you for it all !
I personally tend to put longs and shorts in each section or even divisi, say : Violin 1= Longs/shorts ; Violin 2= Longs/shorts , etc. And this, probably in order to kind of « mirror » the score. In your opinion, what would be the flaw of this approach ?
Do you use the break down you showed in the video as it is your spontaneous (o, a, e, o, u) preference, or because of its particular advantage ?
Hopefulli-er, this is not a too boring question of an hypnotized… euh … well you know… 🐸
Ha! So long as it sounds good to you and is providing you with the flexibility you need, any Template set up for strings, winds and brass can absolutely work. Remember, the idea of working with orchestral samples is to replicate the sound of an orchestra as closely as possible (unless we're being wilfully creative), so any way of working which is in pursuit of that goal is great.
Great video! I learned tons of useful things. Unfortunately, I can't manage to option-click and on On/Off button to work. I follow the steps but, when I open the template, all the instruments load. Does somebody here have an idea of why this happen? Thanks.
Hi Luca. Sorry you're having that issue. Are you opening the Template with an empty Audio track selected at the top? Any Track Stack will auto-load all of the instruments inside it if you boot your project with that Track Stack selected. Let me know if that helps fix it.
@@jonobuchananmusic thank you so much for your kind replay. Yes, I'm opening the Template with the empty Audio track selected and on top of all. I repeated the process many times, really I don't know what happens here. I'll search for more info in the web. Thank again!
I started building the template and 2 hours later my Mac and Logic I'm not sure which, are giving me a hard time programing the Effects aux. I did it all until I got to the Synth Pads section. For some reason I can't make it work as the AUX channles don't appear where they should in the Track section. Also, when I create the first bus to the AUX channel the channel strip appears after some track stacks in the mixer. I don,t know how to explain this it's so strange.
Don't worry, I think I know what has happened. If you have a Track Stack open whilst you're setting up Aux tracks and you then select the Aux tracks you've set up from that Stack and Control-click in the Mixer to 'Create Tracks', they're automatically assigned into that Stack. But if the Stack is closed, they're added to the Main Page 'outside' of the Stack. To fix this, close the Mixer, having Created Tracks for the Aux channels you've set up for the Synth Pads. Then open the Synth Pads Track Stack, then select the Aux tracks in the Main Page. Drag the Aux tracks up into the Synth Pads Track Stack and you'll see that the output assignments for those Aux Tracks will change to match the Software Instrument tracks in that Stack. That's it, you're done! Let me know if that works for you.
Thank you very much I did fix it. Somtimes little errors like this make you learn how to get out of trouble...@@jonobuchananmusic
Wow! Amazing amount of useful info in all your videos. A question about the template video. I'm not clear on how this works with Kontakt. As I understand it, setting up multiple instruments in Kontakt requires clicking the plus sign in the initial track to add new ones. If the template is already set up how do you integrate each track from Kontakt into the tracks in the template?
Hi Paul. You're right, this would be a slightly different way of working. In my Template video, I'm assuming one instrument per Track, albeit with the option to bring in Articulation Switching if needed. If you'd prefer to work with 'racks' of Kontakt instruments within a single instance of that plug-in, MIDI Channel assignments are what you need. Leave it with me and I'll make a video along these lines early in the New Year.
@jonobuchananmusic Thanks do much Jono. Don't know how you find the time to do what you do, but certainly glad that you do!
Brilliant / thorough / clear / easy to follow - thank you! Is there a way to have tracks "automatically" go "on" when you use them? I'm using a template provided by Spitfire for their BBC Symphony that seems to do that . . . thanks for this series!
Hi Peter. That sounds like it would an excellent addition - it's not one I know of but I'll do some digging. If you find the answer before me, let us all know! If you click the 'On' button for a whole Track Stack, it will turn on all channels inside it, so that's certainly one way to launch multiple Track types simultaneously.
a tip for everyone watch every video of JB from start to finish, I think that even for Pro users there are still valuable tips💡 that will make your Logic life easier.. JB makes Logic great again🔎
Very kind words, thank you!
Hi! I watched some of your content and it’s great. Thank you! I had a follow up question though - how do you go about panning the instruments? I heard different advice. On one hand I heard you need to place and pan each sound and instrument in the stereo field according to where they would be in the actual orchestral placements. Is this true? If so, would you recommend balanced pan knob, stereo panning, or binaural panning? on the other hand, I heard from audio engineers, never to pan your orchestral libraries, because you are essentially panning whole rooms that I’ve already been recorded, according to where the instrument placement should naturally be to begin with. And so, by panning them, it makes it sound more unnatural….what are your thoughts on all of this? When the goal is to get a very clear and clean mix to where it doesn’t sound like all of the instrumentation is sort of piled on top of each other? does it differ with different libraries? Do you happen to know how I can tell which libraries are pre-placed and shouldn’t be panned? Versus the libraries that don’t have any panning and need to be placed appropriately within the stereo field?
Hi and many thanks for your question. The approach taken by companies recording orchestral libraries falls into two categories. Most are now recording the orchestra 'in situ', meaning that their 'correct' position in the stereo field is captured. You'll be able to tell that this is the case by auditioning any first violins patches which you'll see are biased to the left-hand side of the mix, as that's where they sit from the conductor and audience's perspective. Similarly, you'll find the Cellos are biased to the right. Sometimes it's easier to hear this with headphones rather than speakers, depending on the acoustics of the room you're working in. Some companies are still recording their orchestral libraries with each instrument group equally spread in the stereo field (Vienna Symphonic Library's Dimension Strings, for instance), so that you're in a position to place them wherever you like. If you want the orchestral elements of your tracks to sound 'like an orchestra', having a diagram of where the different orchestral sections traditionally sit on the sound stage will be helpful so that you can both pan them in the stereo field and use reverb to 'space' them accordingly too.
If you do use the pan dial and you're working in Logic, Control-click this to select Stereo Pan. This allows you to use all of the recorded sound (ie both the left and right channels) and to place this wherever you like in the stereo space. The 'regular' left/right pan dial is effective a cross-fader for the portions of the signal on either side, so will be less effective.
If orchestral programming and mixing is something you're interested in, do stay tuned to the channel in the coming weeks - exciting announcements to come.
Hello from Brazil, Jono! Thank you very much for another wonderful lesson. If we want to export the effects and reverbs in separate stems, would it be better to create stacks just for them?
Hi. Good question. My advice would be that if you want to print stems without reverbs/effects, that you 'un-hide' the FX Auxiliaries and just mute them. This will allow you to print each Stack as a Stem without FX. And if you want to print 'FX only' versions of each Stack too, you can unmute the effects and solo them instead. That way, they'll still receive the inputs required to play but, as they're solo'd, only the FX will be captured in the Export. I hope that answers your question.
@@jonobuchananmusic Perfect! Got it! I'm looking forward to the next episode. Thank you!!!
You’re a genius. So clear, so informative. Just one question…when adding instruments, would you use individual instances of Kontact? I would normally use single instances but with multiple instruments but not sure how to do this with tracks already set up (as per template) Do you have a vid which adds a multi instrument instance of kontact to tracks already created in the template? Thanks so much….
Thanks so much - I'm not sure about 'genius', but I'll take it! Assignment of mutli-instrument Kontakt instances isn't something I've looked at in a video yet but is definitely something which will be addressed in due course. In the meantime, if you like working that way, you absolutely can. All you'd need to do is to assign your Kontakt instrument into your Stack of choice and then create individual Instrument tracks with different MIDI channel numbers to access the different instruments you've set up in Kontakt. There is still a huge benefit to working with Track Stacks and effects Auxes as we've explored in this video if you work this way, as it will make Mixing and Stemming much more straightforward. So, in short, work as you have been doing, but do consider Track Stacks and Aux routings as per this video! Hope that makes sense. Thanks again.
@@jonobuchananmusic brilliant …thank you. Ill have a go and if not, wait for the vid! Have a good day.
Thank you Jono for this fantastic video. I have a question: When do you decide to make Summing Track and when a Folder? Cheers, Hendrik
Hi Hendrik. Folder Stacks 'only' allow you Volume control for groups of sounds you put into them. So if you want to add any Insert of Auxiliary effects to Track Stacks, the Summing Stack will always be the better option. In truth, I can't remember ever setting up a Folder Stack; I always want the potential for the extra flexibility that Summing Stacks provide. That's just me personally, of course. Hope all's good with you!
@@jonobuchananmusic Much appreciate your detailed comment Jono. I have noted this and will add this to my template. I am doing well and guiding my clients to see the Northern Lights and when not being out I am working on completing my book on how to prepare yourself to get the most out of your Northern Lights Tour. And in my spare time I trying to compose some music :-)
The tracks you created from the aux effect tracks then put into the keyboard stack: are those stereo audio tracks?
They're stereo Auxiliary Bus Tracks. One of these will be created whenever you send a Software Instrument or Audio Track to a Bus - automatically, Logic will create an Auxiliary Track for it, into which you can Insert the FX of your choice. Multiple Tracks can send to the same Auxiliary if you like, just like on a mixing console.
Amazing! Thanks a lot - is this template downloadable?
Thanks so much. It's not downloadable, I'm afraid. There is a free-to-download template available if you purchase 'Orchestral Programming 01'. There's 20% off the list price for that course until midnight tonight using the code GiveMe20.
@@jonobuchananmusic no worries, thanks for the content!
Hello Jono. I would ask you. In case this is template for orchestra, do you prepare stereo pan for sections like first violins, second violins, brasses etc.according to standard orchestra layout? Btw thanks for your content. It helps me a lot. 👍
Thanks so much, Mirek. The answer to your question depends on the Orchestral Libraries you're using. Most (like the Spitfire Audio libraries) are recorded with the orchestra in their 'stage positions', so you'll see that the Violin 1 samples are naturally placed to the left, as they've been recorded there. So unless you want to exaggerate the Pan, there's no 'need' to if you don't want to. Other libraries, like Vienna Symphonic Library's Dimension Strings, aren't recorded like that so, yes, when I'm using those strings, I do Stereo Pan them into position. I hope that helps.
Jono, in Track stacking the Strings-long and sending them to bus-2 did you put the Strings-short on bus-3 or bus-2?
Yes, I have separate Stacks for Strings Longs and Strings Shorts, so in this example, the Track Stacking process assigned the Long Strings to Bus 2 and the Short Strings to Bus 3. 'The next' Aux/Bus routing will be applied to each new Track Stack, so the specific numbering assignments don't matter so much; what's important is that each group of sounds you want to work with in a related sonic category have their own Track Stacks.
Another informative and interesting video. Note: at 20:20 Aux’s appear on RH side, not LH side as stated!
I can't understand how to save a template and then modify it later and save my changes
To save a Template, go to File > Save As Template. Give it a name but don't change the default File Location. To open it, click File > Load From Template and on the left-hand side, browse to 'My Templates' where you'll find the file you saved. Carry on working on any Template changes you want to make and then re-select 'File > Save As Template. If you want to over-write your previous Template, just save it with the same name and Logic will ask you if you want to replace the previous one. Confirm that you do and you'll be all set.
Thank you I will do that. It's very strange how no one talks about this in the Logic Template videos. It is an important process when you are building a big template and you can't do it all in one day. Or maybe you just want to add things. When I tried to save it a second time it I did not see an option to replace the first one. It only gave me the usual option. Maybe I was not in the right window or something. I will try again. Do I have to retype the original name everytime.@@jonobuchananmusic
Hi jono, Where can I download?
Hi. This Template isn't available for download just yet. I'm very keen for those interested to spend some time applying the techniques which are relevant to their workflows into their own templates. But a resource with Templates may well appear in the future. Watch this space!
The tracks you're creating in the first 15 minutes are all MIDI tracks, correct? Not audio tracks?
Correct, MIDI Tracks. In Logic, they're called Software Instrument tracks.
Jono, just found this series (great content btw!) as I’m working on developing a new template. Question on fx aux…I’ve set up an overall summing stack for strings, within that I have 5 sub-summing stacks for V1 to bass (cleaner for me to see each on their own ex. solo, longs, shorts, trems/pizz as well graduated colour). So doing the fx aux bus I would think to place them in the overall strings summing stack as opposed to within each sub instrument stack. Does that sound right? Cheers!
Thanks for your question, Darren. Whatever you need for flexibility is what should drive your decision. If you're happy for all of those sub-stacks to access the same reverb settings, yes, a single set of Auxiliaries for all of your Strings will be fine. If you think there's a chance that you'll need independent reverb settings for those different Articulation sub-sets, things will become more complicated if they're routed through to a 'master' Track Stack.
@@jonobuchananmusic thanks Jono, that helps me to know I’m on the right track. Fair point about potentially needing independent reverbs for various arts, but that seems complicated and I prefer to be more anti-complicated. To date I’ve been bouncing midi to audio to do mixing in which I then create instrument groups and aux channels for reverbs as sends, but finding that’s a lot of post production work. So having a template that’s essentially pre-mixed with reverbs, EQ, fx etc. would save so much time. NGL the technical stuff makes my head hurt but your approach and explanations really simplify things. Thanks again!
Somnambulant state is sleep walking… A soporific state..?
Hi Daniel. You're quite right. I think maybe the words are both potentially applicable - I did worry that plenty of people would sleepwalk through this tutorial.
@@jonobuchananmusicI have definitely taken in some of your videos in a high hypnogogic state, only to then be sat in Logic in a somnambulant state.
Prefer not to be ambulatory and agog simultaneously, lest the uptake is affected.
I am here to have tips and tricks snuck into my brain✌🏻🧠
That’s legitimate. 18:10
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Hi Jono. Absolutely perfect material. It's a pity you didn't make it two months earlier. I could use it. I made a similar template some time ago, but it's not as sophisticated as yours. Currently, after many years of working commercially in radio and advertising, I am implementing my own project that I have always had in mind for fun. I love Frank Herbert's work and the new Dune films were the spark that stimulated me to fulfill my own vision of Dune music. My template, to handle multiple instruments from Spitfire, Ujam and other instrument packs, and audio tracks, includes over 300 tracks, a huge amount of aux, bus, returns for various effects, compression, reverbs, echoes and other sound changers. I can barely control it anymore. The computer also screams with effort, even though I have the largest configuration available on the market for MacBook Pro. Luckily I only did two pieces. I have a long road ahead of me. Please allow me to use your concept in the production of subsequent sounds. It is more developmental and readable. ❤ You are in a class of your own. Thanks. Ps. the cool thing about this concept with drop-down traces, for example violins. At my place, there are a dozen traces that all go the same way to several sends and are picked up by several auxes on which I hung reverbs. How did you do this? What I mean by that is to visually reduce the number of tracks visually....
Thanks so much Waldo and huge thanks for the description of your template. The answer to your question is to use Hidden Tracks. For any Tracks you don't need to see all of the time, which would certainly include FX Busses and possibly could include some Instrument tracks you don't use regularly, you can enable Track Hiding, meaning that they'll only become visible when you want them to. If you watch the section from 20:48, I hope it will be apparent how to do this. Let me know if that answers your question. Thanks again, as always.
@@jonobuchananmusic I have it . Thanks. Works.