If you have the on/off button 'off' for the stack but 'on' for any tracks you want active within the stack, that should sort your problem of everything loading! Stack still works fine even when the button is off
Yep absolutely true. Your tracks won't load unless the power button is active. Another advantage is if you activate or deactivate the summing stack power button it will reciprocate the effect to all the enclosed tracks too. If you only hade half those tracks on and the others off when you deactivated the summing stack, it will only activate the tracks that were previously on. It actually is a very powerful way to keep big sessions organised with minimal memory/CPU footprint.
Excellent, as always, Paul, and many congratulations on the new release. I wish you great success! A couple of useful comments here, too. The on/off stack thing is a good one. I based my now nearly-completed (NEVER say that) 1800+ tracks giant template on your previous YT post from last year. It was challenging and took a few attempts, mainly because I was running out of tracks. I want a fully fleshed-out, future-proof (hah!) template with pretty much everything of importance in place, ready to load. A bit like you, actually. In the end I found a good balance between Kontakt singles and multi-channel (and for Spitfire, SINE, Opus, etc.) and this yields me up to 2000 tracks. Actually, this template loads in 7 seconds (instruments off) if Logic is already launched, so it’s far from sluggish! Now all I need is a job 🙄 I still have a few unused instrument tracks, for spares, which is great. Bearing in mind that one Kontakt multi-instrument gives 16 "tracks", of course, while one instance gives, um, one. Track. I ended up not using the dedicated reverb inserts per stack, and went for sending to buses, which included some submix stuff, too. Drums, bass guitar, synth/synth bass, vox/choir; the usual thing, plus a multipurpose section, as you describe at 15'.55". Right now, it’s around 140 buses. I think that should do it..... I really like your new FX/Subbing/Routing approach, which wasn't present on the earlier template. In my case I’m simpler and just use submixes. I’m not really an audio engineer type, but there are always ways to redirect signal paths. Aren't there? Michael Brauer, eh? Dear God. I started all this on my dear old late-2012 iMac, 32GB RAM, knowing the template could never run on it. I was absorbed by your earlier walkthrough, and it inspired me to go for it. I recently bought a Mac Studio M2 Ultra, 192 GB RAM. Even so, I still wanted to minimise cpu strain, by removing those dedicated FX inserts. Also, I revised the longs/shorts approach and went for all articulations in one instrument, wherever possible. Controversial for some, but it’s significantly simplified things for me, and freed up many tracks. I’m a little sceptical of the longs/shorts reverb philosophy, frankly. Just my take. I'm hoping Logic will eventually offer more tracks/auxes than 1000, as I'd like to move away from using multi-instruments. I’m not a blank template guy, and never will be: speed of access is everything, just like you.Your entertaining and informative tutorials are gold for me, thank you. Studio sounded tamed now. So sorry for my verbosity: I will out-waffle you, any day...😱
haha! interesting - and blimey thats a template..! I'm annoyed by the 1000 limit on Logic as well - why???! I'm looking at those Studio machines.. my ludicrously expensive 2019 mac pro is now less powerful than my macbook air.. we live in interesting times!
Incredible, isn't it, the pace of advancement? Well, you were the inspiration for my excesses, Sir! I've learned a lot from your walkthroughs and other tutorials, plus the expert commenters contributing. My template is built for the future, and I wouldn't be using 1800 tracks at the same time, of course. Or would I....? 😈I've done it, because... I could ;) And you are using a lot more audio and live instruments, which is rare for me, nowadays, so I decided to customise your approach to suit my situation. I've not used the Ultra in anger yet but I'm confident in its power, which is considerable. Yes, why the limitation indeed: I'm hoping Apple / Logic will wake up to this track/aux cap. It's only 0's and 1's. Right?! I believe there are some DAWs that do exceed 1000. Cubase....? I'm sure your Mac Pro still kicks bottom, though. What I prefer about the Pros are the connectivity slots. And, of course, more user RAM. That's what I loved about my now ancient Mac Pros, gathering dust in a locker: just shovel in the pci-e cards, etc. Wonderful! The Ultra is basically a Mac Mini with a chip on its shoulder and it went to the gym. I actually don't know if 192 GB RAM is sufficient these days, but I had to reach for a stiff drink when I saw c.185 GB of memory, just idling in the menu bar. I believe the M3 Ultras' RAM could be double that of the present Studios. Time to check into rehab, then.... The only thing I've had with the Ultra are display connectivity glitches with my two BenQ 32" displays. They sometimes randomly go black. Now I've connected them both via USB-C it's far more stable. But I wanted to free up at least one USB port on the Ultra and use its HDMI port. That's where the issue lies, though. In case anyone's interested, I now believe it's the DP to HDMI cable I bought. I should be using at least a 40gbps one, as those displays are pretty well-spec'ed. Weirdly, I also have old 23" Apple Cinema display, injected via a cheap Benfei adapter, and it's flawless. Rock solid! And the colours still look great, some 23 years on. Thank you once again. I'll shut up now....🤐
Good to see you exited again Paul :) Looking forward hearing the new album. As a Studio One user the workflow is of course different from Logic. Working now on incorporating SSO in my Vepro and DAW template, using Studio One's sound variations.
In Logic you can (finally) also do subfolders into a stack. E.g. having folder stacks inside a summing stack. Or summing folders inside a summing folder. Making it possible for even better organisation. (Shortcut for stacks is command + shift + D)
I have a question. if I have a lead vocal, background vocals, and harmonies is it best to create separate auxes for each different vocal subgroup. for example lead vocal 8th delay, lead vocal quarter delay, lead vocal reverb. and then separate set of auxes named for example background vocal 8th delay, background vocal quarter delay, background vocal reverb and so on and so forth. because in most peoples templates I only see one aux for each effect.but I was thinking of creating separate ones for each vocal subgroup
Thank you for the video, very interesting. On my side I've the tendency to have a simpler template. Far simpler, I don't like to have a 3 meters wide scrolling mixing console window. But more seriously, please, Paul, don't do anything with Spotify. They steal all of us and you have to sell merch' to get little money. It's ridiculous, We Are Musicians, not tshirts and mugs sellers. 😭 So, please.
@@lukaszsalomonbryla6854 I do boycott it personnaly, obviously, but we also have to explain to listeners why this is so bad for them. And the well known artists should embrace this.
I get your sentiment! That’s why I’m approaching it very cautiously. But I don’t see where the distribution is if not there. It’s what most people listen to now. Let’s see what happens anyway!
@@PaulThomsonMusic I know, these crooks (yes, they were and they are) are in a dominant position. But our position can be dominant too. No more music = no more Spotify/Tunecore/Deezer/Distrokids and all the gang of leeches. We make what they sell. If we continue to offer them for free our creations they have absolutely no reason to pay us decently. Absolutely no reason. If we do nothing we have no reason to cry and we have to be happy to be stollen.
If you have the on/off button 'off' for the stack but 'on' for any tracks you want active within the stack, that should sort your problem of everything loading! Stack still works fine even when the button is off
Very useful thanks for this!
Yep absolutely true. Your tracks won't load unless the power button is active.
Another advantage is if you activate or deactivate the summing stack power button it will reciprocate the effect to all the enclosed tracks too. If you only hade half those tracks on and the others off when you deactivated the summing stack, it will only activate the tracks that were previously on.
It actually is a very powerful way to keep big sessions organised with minimal memory/CPU footprint.
That's my trick to solve this too , works like charm.
Rick Rubin's book on the desk!
Excellent, as always, Paul, and many congratulations on the new release. I wish you great success!
A couple of useful comments here, too. The on/off stack thing is a good one. I based my now nearly-completed (NEVER say that) 1800+ tracks giant template on your previous YT post from last year. It was challenging and took a few attempts, mainly because I was running out of tracks. I want a fully fleshed-out, future-proof (hah!) template with pretty much everything of importance in place, ready to load. A bit like you, actually. In the end I found a good balance between Kontakt singles and multi-channel (and for Spitfire, SINE, Opus, etc.) and this yields me up to 2000 tracks. Actually, this template loads in 7 seconds (instruments off) if Logic is already launched, so it’s far from sluggish! Now all I need is a job 🙄
I still have a few unused instrument tracks, for spares, which is great. Bearing in mind that one Kontakt multi-instrument gives 16 "tracks", of course, while one instance gives, um, one. Track. I ended up not using the dedicated reverb inserts per stack, and went for sending to buses, which included some submix stuff, too. Drums, bass guitar, synth/synth bass, vox/choir; the usual thing, plus a multipurpose section, as you describe at 15'.55". Right now, it’s around 140 buses. I think that should do it.....
I really like your new FX/Subbing/Routing approach, which wasn't present on the earlier template. In my case I’m simpler and just use submixes. I’m not really an audio engineer type, but there are always ways to redirect signal paths. Aren't there? Michael Brauer, eh? Dear God.
I started all this on my dear old late-2012 iMac, 32GB RAM, knowing the template could never run on it. I was absorbed by your earlier walkthrough, and it inspired me to go for it. I recently bought a Mac Studio M2 Ultra, 192 GB RAM. Even so, I still wanted to minimise cpu strain, by removing those dedicated FX inserts. Also, I revised the longs/shorts approach and went for all articulations in one instrument, wherever possible. Controversial for some, but it’s significantly simplified things for me, and freed up many tracks. I’m a little sceptical of the longs/shorts reverb philosophy, frankly. Just my take.
I'm hoping Logic will eventually offer more tracks/auxes than 1000, as I'd like to move away from using multi-instruments. I’m not a blank template guy, and never will be: speed of access is everything, just like you.Your entertaining and informative tutorials are gold for me, thank you. Studio sounded tamed now. So sorry for my verbosity: I will out-waffle you, any day...😱
haha! interesting - and blimey thats a template..! I'm annoyed by the 1000 limit on Logic as well - why???! I'm looking at those Studio machines.. my ludicrously expensive 2019 mac pro is now less powerful than my macbook air.. we live in interesting times!
Incredible, isn't it, the pace of advancement? Well, you were the inspiration for my excesses, Sir! I've learned a lot from your walkthroughs and other tutorials, plus the expert commenters contributing. My template is built for the future, and I wouldn't be using 1800 tracks at the same time, of course. Or would I....? 😈I've done it, because... I could ;) And you are using a lot more audio and live instruments, which is rare for me, nowadays, so I decided to customise your approach to suit my situation.
I've not used the Ultra in anger yet but I'm confident in its power, which is considerable. Yes, why the limitation indeed: I'm hoping Apple / Logic will wake up to this track/aux cap. It's only 0's and 1's. Right?! I believe there are some DAWs that do exceed 1000. Cubase....?
I'm sure your Mac Pro still kicks bottom, though. What I prefer about the Pros are the connectivity slots. And, of course, more user RAM. That's what I loved about my now ancient Mac Pros, gathering dust in a locker: just shovel in the pci-e cards, etc. Wonderful! The Ultra is basically a Mac Mini with a chip on its shoulder and it went to the gym. I actually don't know if 192 GB RAM is sufficient these days, but I had to reach for a stiff drink when I saw c.185 GB of memory, just idling in the menu bar. I believe the M3 Ultras' RAM could be double that of the present Studios. Time to check into rehab, then....
The only thing I've had with the Ultra are display connectivity glitches with my two BenQ 32" displays. They sometimes randomly go black. Now I've connected them both via USB-C it's far more stable. But I wanted to free up at least one USB port on the Ultra and use its HDMI port. That's where the issue lies, though. In case anyone's interested, I now believe it's the DP to HDMI cable I bought. I should be using at least a 40gbps one, as those displays are pretty well-spec'ed. Weirdly, I also have old 23" Apple Cinema display, injected via a cheap Benfei adapter, and it's flawless. Rock solid! And the colours still look great, some 23 years on.
Thank you once again. I'll shut up now....🤐
Some great advices! I use mostly something very similar to the first template you showed here. And congrats for the album!
Thank you Davide!
Good to see you exited again Paul :) Looking forward hearing the new album. As a Studio One user the workflow is of course different from Logic. Working now on incorporating SSO in my Vepro and DAW template, using Studio One's sound variations.
Thanks!! I need to look at Studio One - its one DAW I'm not familiar with. Always fun to try out new ways of working!
In Logic you can (finally) also do subfolders into a stack. E.g. having folder stacks inside a summing stack. Or summing folders inside a summing folder.
Making it possible for even better organisation.
(Shortcut for stacks is command + shift + D)
Very interesting!! I'm going to try that tomorrow!
I have a question. if I have a lead vocal, background vocals, and harmonies is it best to create separate auxes for each different vocal subgroup. for example lead vocal 8th delay, lead vocal quarter delay, lead vocal reverb. and then separate set of auxes named for example background vocal 8th delay, background vocal quarter delay, background vocal reverb and so on and so forth. because in most peoples templates I only see one aux for each effect.but I was thinking of creating separate ones for each vocal subgroup
Yes I would do that - so you can stem the vocal sections with their own fx and not have to worry about muting tracks to boucne out your stems
Thank you for the video, very interesting. On my side I've the tendency to have a simpler template. Far simpler, I don't like to have a 3 meters wide scrolling mixing console window.
But more seriously, please, Paul, don't do anything with Spotify. They steal all of us and you have to sell merch' to get little money. It's ridiculous, We Are Musicians, not tshirts and mugs sellers. 😭 So, please.
@FLH3official yeah Spotify is really bad, we need to boycott this madness !!!
@@lukaszsalomonbryla6854 I do boycott it personnaly, obviously, but we also have to explain to listeners why this is so bad for them. And the well known artists should embrace this.
I get your sentiment! That’s why I’m approaching it very cautiously. But I don’t see where the distribution is if not there. It’s what most people listen to now. Let’s see what happens anyway!
@@PaulThomsonMusic I know, these crooks (yes, they were and they are) are in a dominant position. But our position can be dominant too. No more music = no more Spotify/Tunecore/Deezer/Distrokids and all the gang of leeches. We make what they sell.
If we continue to offer them for free our creations they have absolutely no reason to pay us decently. Absolutely no reason. If we do nothing we have no reason to cry and we have to be happy to be stollen.
What is your solution then? I mean, is there a better alternative?