Ok you guys did a good job on research this time and the outfits are pretty good but Steve’s model looks like he’s about to face a shounen anime villain
You guys should have done Billy, Nancy's Mom and Will's Mom. They were key characters too
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And Robin! Especially since she drew on her shoes. Okay yeah she only had one outfit but still. Could have used Joyce as well since the Byers' house is more in the earlier decades style while the Wheeler's have money and Karen does look like she wants everything to be beautiful
Also Barb because I want something in death about how plus size and curvy women dressed (especially in the age of Buns of Steel). Also if anyone wants to see how I figured what Billy and Callie and Barb would be wearing I can put in a link to my Deviant art
@@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254 I feel like something they got right with Barb is how there weren't flattering clothes, especially jeans, for larger women. They were stuck wearing pants cut for less curvy women but just with more fabric. They were terribly uncomfortable and unflattering. Even Lane Bryant back them hadn't figured out better tailoring. It was still the days of 'that's what you get for being fat' and the effort just hadn't been put in yet.
The drawings just feel...disproportionate? Like they all just have really low waists/long torsos especially when the jeans are supposed to be high waisted
The waist is definitely drawn too low. It’s not on the smallest part of the waist which is where we wore everything then (it wasn’t high waisted then, high waisted was 2 or 3 inches above that, but that came into fashion later in the 80s). Jeans being worn that low then was not the done thing at all. I’d say the drawings are otherwise pretty proportionate for average people and not models. Fashion illustrations tend to have exaggerated legs most of the time, so it looks weird.
yeah, but just because they don’t dress trendy doesn’t mean they aren’t aware of the trends, back then there was very few ways to see how people in big cities were dressing
Nancy's hair and make-up often remind me of Sloane's in Ferris Bueller's Day Off, which strikes me as absolutely correct. The everyday look for teen girls in the early to mid 1980s was often more pretty and doll-like than the wild make-up tutorials and sky-high big hair people would have you believe we were all wearing back then. It just wasn't the case.
Yeah, you're right. I was a pre-teen in the 80s and all the pretty/popular girls had smooth straight hair, almost silky like, while my wavy mane was an uncombable frizzy mess.
There were so many styles of the 80s including the obvious, pop, main steam and alternative styles. It Depends what style you were into. Music played a huge role also.
Whats up with these drawings? They're not following whats she's saying a 100% and there are a lot off smal technical things that are bothering, like the way shoes, hands and general proportions are drawn. But other then that, great video.
They do it on all of these and I honestly don’t get the point when they’re almost always ignoring the historian like the one with Bernadette on Mary Poppins
@أنا خلفك dude, people are allowed to criticise these... These are valid critiques, the characters have the space between their waist and hips elongated, the arms end at the junctures where the legs begin instead of half way down the thighs, Steve's leg looks like it SNAPPED IN HALF after the pants were added not to mention it was inaccurate to what Steve wears and what the expert said because they drew the pants tighter...
@أنا خلفك for what I've seen there has been no improvement, so no, they aren't doing their best... When someone tries their best you can see improvement with time, these don't improve.
When I asked my mom (who was 15 in 85) about how she felt she said they were all extremely accurate. Especially the moms. She was saying that she dressed like Max while some others at her school dressed like El.
As someone who was same age as Steve/Nancy at that time (and lived in small town), I never wore camisoles (before I needed a bra or after) and I never saw anyone wear suspenders except maybe one or two at school dances. The shirt color on El wasn't that out of range. I had shirts in those colors back then. I also had the fluorescent abstract/geometric designs as well. Oh yes, I used Faberge Organics and had a mullet in 1984 (I'm a woman though I dressed more like Steve than Nancy because I loathed dresses and mostly wore jeans and tee shirts back then, but I would have worn her jeans and red jacket). And, yeah I had fingerless gloves but the jewelry I wore would have been bigger, depending on the event, particularly if I was dressing up. There was a great podcast with the stylists for Stranger Things discussed how they did it. Interesting vid. Thanks for sharing.
Kate Quick Yeah I had a bone to pick with her comments about Eleven’s clothes as well. Those shirts were definitely in for years, and they all weren’t overly bright. That’s a perfect pick. The pants would’ve been baggier but otherwise pretty spot on, suspenders or not.
As a person who was 10 years old in 1985, I can say that no one wore camisoles under their clothes. The exception would have been the occasional set of Wonder Woman Underoos
I've just said that, I was 10 in 1982 so a year younger than Eleven. Nobody wore them. It would either be a vest if it was cold (and you hadn't hit puberty) otherwise a training bra, or regular bra.
@@rachcampb exactly. I mean, I guess I might've worn a camisole and slip under a thin or light-colored material blouse and skirt or something, but that would have been the only time.
I was 15 at the time and yeah....no camisole. We wore training bras or a bra or a tank too over a bra. I actually mostly wore oversized t shirts over my bra.
As someone who was born in 1977, thank you for doing this. Honestly I was hoping you would do Barb because her glasses were SO 1980s- I wore some a lot like hers.
I like that Max outfits were brighter in contrast to Eleven's. The striped shirt and light shorts for example screams 80s Cali which matches her character background.
They did do a good job, The only thing that bothers me is the colors definitely are put together very modern, (like the dark wash pants everywhere, when its suppose to be mainly light wash pants, or the print with color and black to tone it down shouldn't be there) secondly most the hair is so toned down, or barely done at all. I hate when they try to make the 80's fashion seem fashionable to apse the modern goer. small things, I don't like, but Its still does a great job and the objects they use are very very well done.
You do have a good point, as most tv shows and movies do tone down the style to appeal to modern fashion. But in this case I would agree with the fashion historian. Lighter colored jeans I think was probably more popular later on in the 80's, especially with acid washed jeans. At this point in the show, things were transitioning to that style. And even slower since it's Middle America. Same thing applies with hair.
The big hair really didn't come until later in the 80s. I grew up fairly close to a major metropolitan area and didn't see big hair until the late 80s to the mid 90s. It also wasn't universal. In certain areas you never got that look since things like the preppy handbook came out at the same time. They probably had a soap opera they loved to watch after school. MASH concluded in 83, with the most watched finale ever. Maybe had Silver Spoons, Laverne and Shirley was ending. Cheers was just starting. A lot of late 70s shows were still going strong. Princess Diana was huge. So early to mid 80s had a lot of blowouts, a lot of body.
They did wear light wash in the early 80s but the main thing that was popular were dark wash styles because of all the designer jeans that came out in the late 70s. Jordache, Gloria Vanderbilt, Sergio Valente, etc all were recognizable with their labeled back pockets and dark washes with contrast stitching. Also since fashion didn’t trickle as fast back then, late 70s hairstyles would still be popular like the Farrah Fawcett feathered look, the pageboy cut, and other flatter straighter styles of the late 70s.
I guess they are trying to modernize the past fashion for like ig marketing ? or so they can influence viewers how the clothes in the pasf are still relevant (I mean some of them are relevant)
Season 3's clothes really took me back to my teen years, I love the show anyway but I really loved this season. I had a blouse almost exactly like the "accurate" blouse for Elle but mine had bright neon print. I have a photo of myself wearing basically that outfit except no suspenders lol
Two statements I love that were said 1. 1970s hold overs. Yes! Basically a new decade doesn't really kickstart until closer to 4-5 years into it because we're still transitioning out of the previous decade. And 2. Fashion moved much slower outside of the big city which explains why it always felt like my hometown was always 5 years behind.
The camisole explanation finally made me understand why my mother, who grew up in the 80s, insisted on me wearing little vests under my clothing until about 10 (I fought her on them bc I ran hot, hated layers, I still do, and generally didn't see the point of them) then 2 yrs after ditching the vests puberty happened and bras 😓😅
Being an 80s kid stuff on tv at the time was more exaggerated version of we wore as kids. So looking to other 80s tv shows is never the best way to determine what was actual street fashion since for the most part was more flamboyant.
Just a question regarding the scrunchie, in Heathers (1988) the characters wear scrunchies and refer to them as such, is it possible that the term was coined sooner than stated?
Heathers was a Hollywood film though, and fashion trends would have being more aware to them. As well as it could have been, that the film could have also helped set the trend
I think she was talking about when the creators officially called them scrunchies. I imagine the general public was pronouncing it that way for a while and the brand decided to go with it.
I grew up in a similar suburb to Hawkins back in that time, and I love this show because the styling is SO accurate to how it was back then.... really is like stepping back in time. I even had a pair of wayfarers and a 'Members Only' jacket back then! (Most shows that focus on that decade tend to go for the extreme looks seen in magazines and MTV, which is fun to look at, but really wasn't what 'real' people wore in small town suburbs at that time.)
The thing that bugged me in the show was the haircuts on Mike and Will. Those Prince Valiant 'pudding bowl" haircuts were common on younger children in the late 70s and very early 80s, (and on women, going back to the 70's, often called the Dorothy Hamill haircut) The haircut was often seen in TV sitcoms of that era on young boys, and you would still see them on some less mature middle school boys, but by season 2 and 3, the kids are in high school and it's the mid 80's. They would not have still had those haircuts. They were outdated and way too childish. I graduated high school in 1982 so I have a good memory for what was the style of that time.
but in season 2 and 3 they're still in Middle School, so we may see some changes in their hairstyles by next season. Also, they're still children, maybe that's why they chose to keep that style.
@@thetillerwiller4696 I was alive then, so I do know how fast or slow fashion changed. You could theorize that Hawkins was 10 years behind the current styles but other characters hair and clothes was right with the times so I still maintain that those two boys hair sticks out like a sore thumb.
I'm curious as myself, my 2 siblings, and several of our little kid friends back in the early 90's all had the pudding bowl haircut (around age 5 or so). So either the style hung on for little kids a bit longer or our moms were wildly out of date with haircut styles.
As someone who was around in the eighties, I can say, good job on this analysis! (One additional thing I'll note is that next year they have to bring Bugle Boy cargo style pants into the mix!) I do have to ask you, though, why are you talking about underwear we can't even see? (Like a camisole on El? Where do you actually see a camisole in any of those pictures?) Other than Nancy's bra, discussing underwear that's not seen is pointless, if you're critiquing accuracy - you can't critique something that you actually don't even know is there. El is old enough that she could have been wearing a teen bra - we just don't know, so why even discuss it as though you're critiquing it?
I was ready to discount this video since I was a teen in the 80s, but when this historian accurately fact checked the scrunchie she sold me. Well done, respect. I remember buying my first Scunci, they were hella expensive for a single one back then and they were packaged in a rigid plastic ball. But I gotta say I'm nostalgic for that thing because modern scrunchies wear out so darn fast compared to the ones in the 80s.
We inherited our house& found 5 “members only” jackets. My boyfriend and I argued over whether his grandpa was in some kind of country club or something bc “it says members only! He’s got 5! He had to of!” We just dropped it with me thinking I was right and he just didn’t know. Apparently not. I owe my boyfriend and apology for an argument that is 5 years old lol
@@rose__3147 I had to read it twice to understand... For anyone who is struggling as well: they found some "Members Only" brand jackets in OPs grandpa's house, and OP argued with their boyfriend the jackets had too be some kind of klub merchandise because of the "Members Only" markings. This was 5 years ago and only now did they realise that it was actually a name of a brand in the '80s. But I mean, OP did write "of" instead of "have" so they loose some credibility, imo.
@@w.jagienka They used quotes. In regard to the "had to of" part of your comment. It's what you use to put a spoken sentence into writing/type. So what they did there is correct, and proper use of the English language.
I don't get why everyone is confused. To be fair the last sentence of my comment was a poor attempt at a joke, but it had to do with the fact that OP used the word 'of' instead of the word 'have'. I wasn't talking about any typos, nor was I talking about the use of quotes. The correct sentence should have been "He must had have!" I'm just really annoyed that more and more people write 'of' instead of 'have' as in "I should of..." instead of the correct "I should have/should've..." That's all I meant >
Eleven definitely would have had a bra -- I stopped wearing undershirts the summer after 5th grade lol. I graduated in 1985, so I had some issue with a few of the costume choices -- others were on point.
For a fashion historian, she definitely missed the mark on the Reebok freestyles, the ones worn by Sigourney Weaver were not freestyles at all, but a new shoe Reebok made for the movie dubbed “bug stompers” based off the Reebok basketball shoe the BB 5600.
Despite being born after the '80s, this video still reminds me me of my old age. 😂😂 I was born in February of '91 and mid-late '80s styles are pretty much what myself and my peers wore during the 90s as elementary school students. 😂😂😂
I hope they cover Fantastic Beasts at some point. I love the costumes, and Coleen Atwood is pretty good with historical costumes (see Chicago (2002)). I love how accurate Stranger Things is, where FB really modernised a lot of things, for instance the shoes. The first movie is more accurate to the 1920s, but Crimes of Grindelwald is a lot more 1930s/1940s, which is so strange, considering it's still set in 1927.
I'm a year younger than the kids in this (I was 11 in 1983), so I wore these clothes and had the same soundtrack to my youth. I never wore a camisole underneath a shirt, we went to training bras. I don't know anybody who wore camisoles like this, and I saw lots of teenage girls in the changing room after sports! Agree with the point about Eleven's scrunchie, they were a little later, but the fashion is pretty much spot on. The early 80s had a lot of brown/green tones and high collars with frills on blouses (I have school photos to prove this!), the fluorescent stuff came later. There was a huge 50s revival with a famous ad campaign for Levi 501s with Nick Kamen - this one ua-cam.com/video/Q56M5OZS1A8/v-deo.html caused a massive slump in the sale of mens briefs in favour of boxer shorts, even though that's not what the ad was for. Edit: I was one of the few kids I knew who had braces (what we call suspenders in the UK!). They weren't that common. Mine were red and blue.
Perhaps this is a regional thing, but I was a teenager in the 80s, and we all wore our jeans skin tight. Both boys and girls. It wasn't until the Grunge thing in 1991 that people started wearing looser jeans. The only jeans I remember seeing like Eleven's "mall look" were children's jeans. I'm not sure how old she's supposed to be, but if she were a teenager in the 80s, she would be bullied for dressing like that.
Sometimes it feels as if Stranger Things is more 1980s than the 1980s! I have to consistently remind myself that this is a show was made around 4 years ago now. I love how much there is to the era!
Re the t-shirts: I remember the first time I ever saw a t-shirt with a glitter decal. It was in 1977, when Saturday Night Fever and Star Wars came out. I wanted a glitter t-shirt so bad!! I think later my sister and I got t-shirts that did have some glitter in the decal, the image was a "uni-pegasus," lol. But I was probably in high school by that point.
It was less to do with age of the girl and more about her chest size. If she isn't busty enough to need the bra, they were not gonna spend the money on it.
@@rileybrand4530 my point was, if the girl doesn't **need** a bra yet, she is not going to wear one as there is no point to wasting the time or money and we all hate them, so why rush it. So the age of the character does not matter.
I was 11 yrs old and consider 1985 as the year God blessed. I know each 80s year better than anyone in the planet. Everything in 11's wardrobe was spot on! I cried watching the mall scene because it was perfect. Sorry girl...you don't become a fashion expert through classes and google search....you live it!
@Jennrat2 yes I do! Ciao was the pre Keds 😅 The 80s was the first and last great decade that mattered. @gildathe master1985 you can watch my 3 visits to the 80s theme Stranger Things Store! And I wore 80s outfits each time.
I loved Steve’s jacket so much I went out and bought one myself and they look great. It’s a little unfortunate that the modern reproductions in my expire ce aren’t the most durable jackets I’ve owned. I have had quite a few places where the stitching hasn’t held up all that well and I had to get it repaired after about a year of use but it’s my favorite jacket and I wear it a lot. As someone who daily drives this jacket during some seasons of the year, the funniest thing I’ve read noticed with this jacket is when you’re wearing a backpack and you go to slide it off your shoulder, the little epaulettes type things on each shoulder with the snap fasteners come un fasted every time I take my backpack off so if I don’t think to fix it it looks silly.
I graduated 1986. It all looks pretty accurate to me, except one main detail. Acid wash. We looked for light, washed-out jeans, and some kids bleached their existing jeans to wash them out.
Please to other vids for Mad Men and Stranger Things! I have ideas! Megan, Barb, Karen, Sally, Pete, Harry, Roger, Bert, Don, Billy, Kali, Joyce, Dustin, Trudy, Robin, Erica, Lucas, Mike but he's dressed as a younger Steve, Hopper
Ach. My teen years now have historians grading them! ;p It's one of the things I've been most impressed with in ST--the hair and clothes could have been anyone I went to school with. (Though they've skipped the weird crew cut thin that a few of the guys had; it doesn't look as good on film.) I could pull out my yearbooks and see any of those looks, and the amount of time I spent braiding my hair tiny to crimp it... yikes. Next, they need bangs mascara, and I will be very surprised if we don't get a flashdance top.
The outfit with the suspenders was more 87-88...I'm not saying that we never wore suspenders but they weren't super popular! And the scrutiny didn't become popular until Heather's in 89!
This is precisely what I love about the costume design, which almost every other media fails to do right. Most people, and especially older generations, don't necessarily wear the fashions that just came out. I find that especially jarring in period dramas, because unless you were nobility, you would definitely wear the same garments over many decades, and just make a few tweaks once in a while.
02:12 left photo is not a corset cover/ camisole. You can clearly see the boning. This is a bust bodice, used to achieve the typical early Edwardian silhouette. A corset cover wouldn't have been boned, as it's purpose is to prevent the corset showing through the garments.
I grew up in the 80s and while camisoles for children and preteens were available they were were not in fact that commonly worn. I wore nothing under my shirt until I got a training bra, just panties and socks, and I don't remember my friends or cousins wearing them either. I did have a wonder woman camisole and matching underwear when I was 6 but I wore it mostly to bed. I recall young girls mostly having undershirts if it's cold, not just all the time. In the time of the Starcourt Mall 11 is in fact developed enough for a bra.
Sorry but the only camisoles being worn in the 80s where I lived were the Underoos I had when I was 7 or 8 (had Supergirl & Batwoman). Also, I had Chic jeans in 1985 and by 1988 the biggest brand was Guess.
It’s crazy how all these trends are showing up again in stores now a days, for example the graphic T and the higher waisted pants. Even the hair scrunchies and styles. I’ve seen mullets pop up in women’s hair styles more and I think it’s a cute look if you can pull it off
People had access to information on fashion. We had magazines, TV, movies and videos. People's quickness to adopt new fashion was affected by various things such as local culture, economics/disposable income, practicality, and availability of items in their local stores.
Stranger things did everything so great - the outfits, environment, pop culture, etc.
Ummm sorta
Yeah
Yeah and they don’t forcefully shove it in our faces
Not perfectly
I just think they tried too much with the 80s theme in chapter three, it just became too much.
Ok you guys did a good job on research this time and the outfits are pretty good but Steve’s model looks like he’s about to face a shounen anime villain
LMAO
i cant breathe lmao
yesssss
It's the posing of the legs I tell ya
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You guys should have done Billy, Nancy's Mom and Will's Mom. They were key characters too
And Robin! Especially since she drew on her shoes. Okay yeah she only had one outfit but still.
Could have used Joyce as well since the Byers' house is more in the earlier decades style while the Wheeler's have money and Karen does look like she wants everything to be beautiful
Also Barb because I want something in death about how plus size and curvy women dressed (especially in the age of Buns of Steel).
Also if anyone wants to see how I figured what Billy and Callie and Barb would be wearing I can put in a link to my Deviant art
I think that might have been too easy honestly
@@amandaderp9263 Why?
@@jessicavictoriacarrillo7254 I feel like something they got right with Barb is how there weren't flattering clothes, especially jeans, for larger women. They were stuck wearing pants cut for less curvy women but just with more fabric. They were terribly uncomfortable and unflattering. Even Lane Bryant back them hadn't figured out better tailoring. It was still the days of 'that's what you get for being fat' and the effort just hadn't been put in yet.
The drawings just feel...disproportionate? Like they all just have really low waists/long torsos especially when the jeans are supposed to be high waisted
The waist is definitely drawn too low. It’s not on the smallest part of the waist which is where we wore everything then (it wasn’t high waisted then, high waisted was 2 or 3 inches above that, but that came into fashion later in the 80s). Jeans being worn that low then was not the done thing at all. I’d say the drawings are otherwise pretty proportionate for average people and not models. Fashion illustrations tend to have exaggerated legs most of the time, so it looks weird.
Yea it’s kinda weird
their drawings in this serie are always so weird ,,,,
Also Steve’s hair... and face... yeah no
@@nehemiahjones3041 aight id like to see you do better
Fashion still moves slower in the rural areas because of poverty and viewpoints.
PrincessKLS exactly. It’s why the main characters in movies like “Napoleon Dynamite” are dressed for the 70’s-80’s
Right! Not to mention that big-city trends take much longer to reach smaller towns in general.
not really. I live in Indiana and do not have much money but I stay up to date on trends.
@@Lynnme-eh9cz This was before the internet. Trends spread slower in the 80s than they do now.
yeah, but just because they don’t dress trendy doesn’t mean they aren’t aware of the trends, back then there was very few ways to see how people in big cities were dressing
I loved that Nancy's mom had at first a very 1970's hair look, I mean it makes sense, she's a mom
Yep, just like the mom in The Goldbergs lol. And Nancy's mom definitely turned more 80s in season 3.
I hope they do a part two!!!
i loved Eleven's outfits this season. They were so iconic
I loved how she became friends with Max. Shows growth.
I literally started watching stranger things last night and I just met eleven so I prob shouldn’t have watched this
i was 666th like 😈
Nancy's hair and make-up often remind me of Sloane's in Ferris Bueller's Day Off, which strikes me as absolutely correct. The everyday look for teen girls in the early to mid 1980s was often more pretty and doll-like than the wild make-up tutorials and sky-high big hair people would have you believe we were all wearing back then. It just wasn't the case.
Yeah, you're right. I was a pre-teen in the 80s and all the pretty/popular girls had smooth straight hair, almost silky like, while my wavy mane was an uncombable frizzy mess.
I was a teenage girl in the 80s, and we all had HUGE hair. Perhaps this was a regional thing.
@@Revelwoodie That's what I was thinking. We all had big hair in high school in Houston, Texas.
There were so many styles of the 80s including the obvious, pop, main steam and alternative styles. It Depends what style you were into. Music played a huge role also.
0:16 Hi, I’m Renata Bliss and I’m your freestyle dance teacher.
Li Lo omg i CACKLED
Omg lmao
Lol omg
I choked on my cereal wtf
LMAOO 😭
Whats up with these drawings? They're not following whats she's saying a 100% and there are a lot off smal technical things that are bothering, like the way shoes, hands and general proportions are drawn. But other then that, great video.
The drawing is showing a more accurate version, like with elevens, the shirt would have been more colourful, so they change it in the drawing
They do it on all of these and I honestly don’t get the point when they’re almost always ignoring the historian like the one with Bernadette on Mary Poppins
@أنا خلفك dude, people are allowed to criticise these... These are valid critiques, the characters have the space between their waist and hips elongated, the arms end at the junctures where the legs begin instead of half way down the thighs, Steve's leg looks like it SNAPPED IN HALF after the pants were added not to mention it was inaccurate to what Steve wears and what the expert said because they drew the pants tighter...
@أنا خلفك for what I've seen there has been no improvement, so no, they aren't doing their best... When someone tries their best you can see improvement with time, these don't improve.
please shut up lmao.
When I asked my mom (who was 15 in 85) about how she felt she said they were all extremely accurate. Especially the moms. She was saying that she dressed like Max while some others at her school dressed like El.
My mom was 6
My mom was a baby
Mine was 7
My mom said she had the exact same jacket as nancy 😂 which makes sense since she grew up lower middle class in a tiny midwest town
can we just talk about the way they drew steves hair
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You should do that 70s show!!!
Yes!!!
THIS
Agree!!
YES
I’ll do it for you. That’s when I was actually that age, and all the clothes are spot on, down to the wallaby shoes. Your welcome.😉.
As someone who was same age as Steve/Nancy at that time (and lived in small town), I never wore camisoles (before I needed a bra or after) and I never saw anyone wear suspenders except maybe one or two at school dances. The shirt color on El wasn't that out of range. I had shirts in those colors back then. I also had the fluorescent abstract/geometric designs as well.
Oh yes, I used Faberge Organics and had a mullet in 1984 (I'm a woman though I dressed more like Steve than Nancy because I loathed dresses and mostly wore jeans and tee shirts back then, but I would have worn her jeans and red jacket). And, yeah I had fingerless gloves but the jewelry I wore would have been bigger, depending on the event, particularly if I was dressing up.
There was a great podcast with the stylists for Stranger Things discussed how they did it.
Interesting vid. Thanks for sharing.
Kate Quick Yeah I had a bone to pick with her comments about Eleven’s clothes as well. Those shirts were definitely in for years, and they all weren’t overly bright. That’s a perfect pick. The pants would’ve been baggier but otherwise pretty spot on, suspenders or not.
As a person who was 10 years old in 1985, I can say that no one wore camisoles under their clothes. The exception would have been the occasional set of Wonder Woman Underoos
I've just said that, I was 10 in 1982 so a year younger than Eleven. Nobody wore them. It would either be a vest if it was cold (and you hadn't hit puberty) otherwise a training bra, or regular bra.
@@rachcampb exactly. I mean, I guess I might've worn a camisole and slip under a thin or light-colored material blouse and skirt or something, but that would have been the only time.
Yep. I never wore a camisole unless my blouse was sheer.
That means Erica would be the same age as you rn :))
I was 15 at the time and yeah....no camisole. We wore training bras or a bra or a tank too over a bra. I actually mostly wore oversized t shirts over my bra.
8:22 "By the 1980's, pop culture and branding had really begun to *EXPLODE"*
The narrator's voice sounds so loud compared to the fashion historian. They should have balanced the sound better.
i hate the model things they look weirdly anime and unproportional - also kind of unnecessary when things are actually historically accurate
Have you even seen anime? The drawings just look like someone can't draw bodies.
At least anime bodies have equal proportions and have volume to them.
anime characters look slim but voluptuous, that drawing is built like a fridge edit: the men kind of do
It is not unnecessary, it shows how much they care about being accurate and that they did their research, but ok
it just gives realism to the show, the nostalgia and everything
@@omg-kb8oc EXACTLY
As someone who was born in 1977, thank you for doing this. Honestly I was hoping you would do Barb because her glasses were SO 1980s- I wore some a lot like hers.
I was born in 1982. A lot of my nursery school, pre-school, and kindergarten teachers wore the big "Barb" glasses.
I wish they also talks about Max season 3 outfit. I really like her look there especially the stripe shirt, denim short, and red sunglass.
I like that Max outfits were brighter in contrast to Eleven's. The striped shirt and light shorts for example screams 80s Cali which matches her character background.
They did do a good job, The only thing that bothers me is the colors definitely are put together very modern, (like the dark wash pants everywhere, when its suppose to be mainly light wash pants, or the print with color and black to tone it down shouldn't be there) secondly most the hair is so toned down, or barely done at all. I hate when they try to make the 80's fashion seem fashionable to apse the modern goer. small things, I don't like, but Its still does a great job and the objects they use are very very well done.
I agree!
You do have a good point, as most tv shows and movies do tone down the style to appeal to modern fashion. But in this case I would agree with the fashion historian. Lighter colored jeans I think was probably more popular later on in the 80's, especially with acid washed jeans. At this point in the show, things were transitioning to that style. And even slower since it's Middle America. Same thing applies with hair.
The big hair really didn't come until later in the 80s. I grew up fairly close to a major metropolitan area and didn't see big hair until the late 80s to the mid 90s. It also wasn't universal. In certain areas you never got that look since things like the preppy handbook came out at the same time. They probably had a soap opera they loved to watch after school. MASH concluded in 83, with the most watched finale ever. Maybe had Silver Spoons, Laverne and Shirley was ending. Cheers was just starting. A lot of late 70s shows were still going strong. Princess Diana was huge. So early to mid 80s had a lot of blowouts, a lot of body.
They did wear light wash in the early 80s but the main thing that was popular were dark wash styles because of all the designer jeans that came out in the late 70s. Jordache, Gloria Vanderbilt, Sergio Valente, etc all were recognizable with their labeled back pockets and dark washes with contrast stitching. Also since fashion didn’t trickle as fast back then, late 70s hairstyles would still be popular like the Farrah Fawcett feathered look, the pageboy cut, and other flatter straighter styles of the late 70s.
I guess they are trying to modernize the past fashion for like ig marketing ? or so they can influence viewers how the clothes in the pasf are still relevant (I mean some of them are relevant)
You really did Steve dirty with his model's hair lmao
Love these videos but the annoyingly loud sound of the 'pencil' nearly ruins them for me.
They make me cringe.
Laura Sharp S A M E
What pencil sound? I didn't notice ^_^
Season 3's clothes really took me back to my teen years, I love the show anyway but I really loved this season. I had a blouse almost exactly like the "accurate" blouse for Elle but mine had bright neon print. I have a photo of myself wearing basically that outfit except no suspenders lol
That sounds awesome. Not to sound creepy but Is there a way I could see the picture? I love seeing old pics. That’s so cool. :)
@@faybee10 oh gosh I have no idea of there is some way I could put it on UA-cam. Not creepy at all or I'm just weird lol
Andrea Taus you could make a post somewhere else (like imgur or twitter maybe?) and then link it in this comment thread
Andrea Taus please do if you find the pic!! :)
Andrea Taus yes we wanna see lol
Steve's hair drawing :D also, that shot of Prince thrown in for the glove reference was hot.
They should do Netflix’s The Get Down to get into 70s fashion!
i'm still mourning the loss of that show
Two statements I love that were said 1. 1970s hold overs. Yes! Basically a new decade doesn't really kickstart until closer to 4-5 years into it because we're still transitioning out of the previous decade. And 2. Fashion moved much slower outside of the big city which explains why it always felt like my hometown was always 5 years behind.
Is it just me or does the fashion historian look like the female brad mondo.?
Lol
SHE DOES OH MY HECK😂😂
Omg I can't unsee it!!!
Well now that you said it 😂
dont insult her like that
Lol. Love the drawing of Steve's hair. Just about right dwl
The camisole explanation finally made me understand why my mother, who grew up in the 80s, insisted on me wearing little vests under my clothing until about 10 (I fought her on them bc I ran hot, hated layers, I still do, and generally didn't see the point of them) then 2 yrs after ditching the vests puberty happened and bras 😓😅
oh my god yes
Can we get these videos more often? They're Soo good but there aren't enough of them 😩
If you like historical fashion stuff go check Karolina Żebrowska chanell
I dont anymore of these videos if im gonna have to look at boners again
@@kamanonickname I definitely will, thanks for the suggestion!
*Me:* I’m really bored wish I had somethi
*Glamour:* Uploads another video
*Me:* Thank the lord
All right my love:)))
Being an 80s kid stuff on tv at the time was more exaggerated version of we wore as kids. So looking to other 80s tv shows is never the best way to determine what was actual street fashion since for the most part was more flamboyant.
you guys should do the Netflix series 'Hollywood' !! It takes place in the late 40s :)
Yes
Definitely
Just a question regarding the scrunchie, in Heathers (1988) the characters wear scrunchies and refer to them as such, is it possible that the term was coined sooner than stated?
Heathers was a Hollywood film though, and fashion trends would have being more aware to them. As well as it could have been, that the film could have also helped set the trend
I think this historian didn't quite finish her research. This is a great source for her to add!
I think she was talking about when the creators officially called them scrunchies. I imagine the general public was pronouncing it that way for a while and the brand decided to go with it.
@@lauraelizabethbrown Maybe! I think I noticed the scunci brand long after wearing fabric wrapped elastics.
I grew up in a similar suburb to Hawkins back in that time, and I love this show because the styling is SO accurate to how it was back then.... really is like stepping back in time. I even had a pair of wayfarers and a 'Members Only' jacket back then! (Most shows that focus on that decade tend to go for the extreme looks seen in magazines and MTV, which is fun to look at, but really wasn't what 'real' people wore in small town suburbs at that time.)
You should do a part two of this!
Ace-in-yo-face - agreed! That woul be nice!
The fashion in Stranger Things is one of my favorite things about the show. It’s always so good.
The thing that bugged me in the show was the haircuts on Mike and Will. Those Prince Valiant 'pudding bowl" haircuts were common on younger children in the late 70s and very early 80s, (and on women, going back to the 70's, often called the Dorothy Hamill haircut) The haircut was often seen in TV sitcoms of that era on young boys, and you would still see them on some less mature middle school boys, but by season 2 and 3, the kids are in high school and it's the mid 80's. They would not have still had those haircuts. They were outdated and way too childish. I graduated high school in 1982 so I have a good memory for what was the style of that time.
I remember those haircuts on adult men back in the late 70's too.
but in season 2 and 3 they're still in Middle School, so we may see some changes in their hairstyles by next season. Also, they're still children, maybe that's why they chose to keep that style.
lestrange fashion changes moved more slowly then. Bowl cuts were probably seen as normal in rural towns like Hawkins
@@thetillerwiller4696 I was alive then, so I do know how fast or slow fashion changed. You could theorize that Hawkins was 10 years behind the current styles but other characters hair and clothes was right with the times so I still maintain that those two boys hair sticks out like a sore thumb.
I'm curious as myself, my 2 siblings, and several of our little kid friends back in the early 90's all had the pudding bowl haircut (around age 5 or so). So either the style hung on for little kids a bit longer or our moms were wildly out of date with haircut styles.
The way she said “things began to really explode” while a Mt. Saint Helens t-shirt was on the screen 😳
Ells hairstyle is basically like my every day
As someone who graduated HS in 82 and college in 86, the fashions and the music are like stepping back into my teen years.
They need to do a second video. Please!
I want to know about Will's ridiculous bowlcut 😂
9:22 just had to say it, BRIAN MAY
same man same
Yesssss
yall are big queen fans :> ?
@@mikaylathompson7100 huge fan yes!
Gabrielle Phillips you took the words right outta my mouth
Does anyone else hate the marker-scribble sound?
INESSA MEEEEEEE!!! I was looking for this comment thank you
And the illustration
dj tanner is such a fashion icon
As someone who was around in the eighties, I can say, good job on this analysis! (One additional thing I'll note is that next year they have to bring Bugle Boy cargo style pants into the mix!)
I do have to ask you, though, why are you talking about underwear we can't even see? (Like a camisole on El? Where do you actually see a camisole in any of those pictures?) Other than Nancy's bra, discussing underwear that's not seen is pointless, if you're critiquing accuracy - you can't critique something that you actually don't even know is there. El is old enough that she could have been wearing a teen bra - we just don't know, so why even discuss it as though you're critiquing it?
What about Max, Billy, Mike and the rest? Hoping for part two
Makes me want to dress like it's summer of 1985 and I want to tell my crush that I like them so I reinvent my style according to the newest fashion
I was ready to discount this video since I was a teen in the 80s, but when this historian accurately fact checked the scrunchie she sold me. Well done, respect. I remember buying my first Scunci, they were hella expensive for a single one back then and they were packaged in a rigid plastic ball. But I gotta say I'm nostalgic for that thing because modern scrunchies wear out so darn fast compared to the ones in the 80s.
We inherited our house& found 5 “members only” jackets. My boyfriend and I argued over whether his grandpa was in some kind of country club or something bc “it says members only! He’s got 5! He had to of!”
We just dropped it with me thinking I was right and he just didn’t know. Apparently not. I owe my boyfriend and apology for an argument that is 5 years old lol
um what?
@@rose__3147 I had to read it twice to understand... For anyone who is struggling as well: they found some "Members Only" brand jackets in OPs grandpa's house, and OP argued with their boyfriend the jackets had too be some kind of klub merchandise because of the "Members Only" markings. This was 5 years ago and only now did they realise that it was actually a name of a brand in the '80s.
But I mean, OP did write "of" instead of "have" so they loose some credibility, imo.
@@w.jagienka thank you
@@w.jagienka They used quotes. In regard to the "had to of" part of your comment. It's what you use to put a spoken sentence into writing/type. So what they did there is correct, and proper use of the English language.
I don't get why everyone is confused. To be fair the last sentence of my comment was a poor attempt at a joke, but it had to do with the fact that OP used the word 'of' instead of the word 'have'. I wasn't talking about any typos, nor was I talking about the use of quotes. The correct sentence should have been "He must had have!" I'm just really annoyed that more and more people write 'of' instead of 'have' as in "I should of..." instead of the correct "I should have/should've..."
That's all I meant >
I liked the video but the sharpie sound killed me so much! It gives me the chills
I can’t stop laughing at the steve illustration HAHAHAHHA
Eleven definitely would have had a bra -- I stopped wearing undershirts the summer after 5th grade lol. I graduated in 1985, so I had some issue with a few of the costume choices -- others were on point.
For a fashion historian, she definitely missed the mark on the Reebok freestyles, the ones worn by Sigourney Weaver were not freestyles at all, but a new shoe Reebok made for the movie dubbed “bug stompers” based off the Reebok basketball shoe the BB 5600.
Despite being born after the '80s, this video still reminds me me of my old age. 😂😂
I was born in February of '91 and mid-late '80s styles are pretty much what myself and my peers wore during the 90s as elementary school students. 😂😂😂
In other words they got it pretty much perfect
What a great fashion historian, she was so informative.
Why do they look like anime characters
I think it's their standoffish and strong poses
But also the faces and it’s really strange
I love this segment but the stylistic choices of the inserts makes it so annoying to watch. It's very static. Pleas restructure.
Yayyy finally the video ive been waiting for
IKR⁉️
I hope they cover Fantastic Beasts at some point. I love the costumes, and Coleen Atwood is pretty good with historical costumes (see Chicago (2002)). I love how accurate Stranger Things is, where FB really modernised a lot of things, for instance the shoes. The first movie is more accurate to the 1920s, but Crimes of Grindelwald is a lot more 1930s/1940s, which is so strange, considering it's still set in 1927.
I'm a year younger than the kids in this (I was 11 in 1983), so I wore these clothes and had the same soundtrack to my youth. I never wore a camisole underneath a shirt, we went to training bras. I don't know anybody who wore camisoles like this, and I saw lots of teenage girls in the changing room after sports! Agree with the point about Eleven's scrunchie, they were a little later, but the fashion is pretty much spot on.
The early 80s had a lot of brown/green tones and high collars with frills on blouses (I have school photos to prove this!), the fluorescent stuff came later. There was a huge 50s revival with a famous ad campaign for Levi 501s with Nick Kamen - this one ua-cam.com/video/Q56M5OZS1A8/v-deo.html caused a massive slump in the sale of mens briefs in favour of boxer shorts, even though that's not what the ad was for.
Edit: I was one of the few kids I knew who had braces (what we call suspenders in the UK!). They weren't that common. Mine were red and blue.
I just love stranger thing so much. I never want it to end.
Can this show do the Marvelous mrs maisel? I love the costumes on the show
This is probably my fave UA-cam video of the month. I find fashion and its history/influences etc really intoxicating
Perhaps this is a regional thing, but I was a teenager in the 80s, and we all wore our jeans skin tight. Both boys and girls. It wasn't until the Grunge thing in 1991 that people started wearing looser jeans. The only jeans I remember seeing like Eleven's "mall look" were children's jeans. I'm not sure how old she's supposed to be, but if she were a teenager in the 80s, she would be bullied for dressing like that.
I was 12 in 1983. The wardrobe easily checks out.
Sometimes it feels as if Stranger Things is more 1980s than the 1980s! I have to consistently remind myself that this is a show was made around 4 years ago now. I love how much there is to the era!
Re the t-shirts: I remember the first time I ever saw a t-shirt with a glitter decal. It was in 1977, when Saturday Night Fever and Star Wars came out. I wanted a glitter t-shirt so bad!! I think later my sister and I got t-shirts that did have some glitter in the decal, the image was a "uni-pegasus," lol. But I was probably in high school by that point.
Eleven is not a child is season three, she is fourteen so she would probably be wearing a bra
Imagine Hopper having to go bra shopping on the low 💀💀
It was less to do with age of the girl and more about her chest size. If she isn't busty enough to need the bra, they were not gonna spend the money on it.
Trinka B um I’m pretty sure the actor provides their own bra, and it’s a multi billion dollar brand so I think they could afford to give her a bra
Riley Brand lol, they’re talking about in the show’s universe. Ofc the actress is going to wear her own bra.
@@rileybrand4530 my point was, if the girl doesn't **need** a bra yet, she is not going to wear one as there is no point to wasting the time or money and we all hate them, so why rush it. So the age of the character does not matter.
I was 11 yrs old and consider 1985 as the year God blessed. I know each 80s year better than anyone in the planet. Everything in 11's wardrobe was spot on! I cried watching the mall scene because it was perfect. Sorry girl...you don't become a fashion expert through classes and google search....you live it!
You might be the person that remembers these then..Ciao shoes..no one I've asked does..lol
@Jennrat2 yes I do! Ciao was the pre Keds 😅 The 80s was the first and last great decade that mattered. @gildathe master1985 you can watch my 3 visits to the 80s theme Stranger Things Store! And I wore 80s outfits each time.
@@NewEpoch327 I snuck a peek at one vid...ahhhh.. memories..😁 Are you going to try and make Stranger Things: The Experience?
As teen of the 80s this is very cool
I'm mesmerised by her immense and intricately detailed knowledge also hats off for the team to look into so much detailing for the fashion 👏👏
I can’t stop looking at the expert’s earrings!!
I loved Steve’s jacket so much I went out and bought one myself and they look great. It’s a little unfortunate that the modern reproductions in my expire ce aren’t the most durable jackets I’ve owned. I have had quite a few places where the stitching hasn’t held up all that well and I had to get it repaired after about a year of use but it’s my favorite jacket and I wear it a lot. As someone who daily drives this jacket during some seasons of the year, the funniest thing I’ve read noticed with this jacket is when you’re wearing a backpack and you go to slide it off your shoulder, the little epaulettes type things on each shoulder with the snap fasteners come un fasted every time I take my backpack off so if I don’t think to fix it it looks silly.
being a fashion lover and stranger things fan, this video was soooo interesting and informative. PLS do more!!!!
@Evita you are so right! This video was great and full of info!
YES ME TOO
all i’m gonna say is that will’s outfits in season 3 was such a vibe, he and el had the best wardrobe that season.
I would love to see actually accurate 80s hair in a 80s TV show. Like frizzy mall hair.
I graduated 1986. It all looks pretty accurate to me, except one main detail. Acid wash. We looked for light, washed-out jeans, and some kids bleached their existing jeans to wash them out.
Please to other vids for Mad Men and Stranger Things! I have ideas!
Megan, Barb, Karen, Sally, Pete, Harry, Roger, Bert, Don, Billy, Kali, Joyce, Dustin, Trudy, Robin, Erica, Lucas, Mike but he's dressed as a younger Steve, Hopper
I'm getting ready to go to an 80s concert and THIS is exactly what I needed!! Thank you
Ach. My teen years now have historians grading them! ;p It's one of the things I've been most impressed with in ST--the hair and clothes could have been anyone I went to school with. (Though they've skipped the weird crew cut thin that a few of the guys had; it doesn't look as good on film.) I could pull out my yearbooks and see any of those looks, and the amount of time I spent braiding my hair tiny to crimp it... yikes. Next, they need bangs mascara, and I will be very surprised if we don't get a flashdance top.
The outfit with the suspenders was more 87-88...I'm not saying that we never wore suspenders but they weren't super popular! And the scrutiny didn't become popular until Heather's in 89!
I wore suspenders in '84-'86. I think it depends on when the craze hit where you live.
@@MyBadHabit94 NYC along with Dallas and LA..they weren't hugely popular in those areas and LA and New York City are the major fashion hubs in the USA
@@missnperfection9830 As an LA kid, I wore scrunchies before 1989, but not much before.
It's so strange seeing the fashions of my teen years being reviewed by an historian.
I keep forgetting I'm old.
I hear ya!
This is precisely what I love about the costume design, which almost every other media fails to do right. Most people, and especially older generations, don't necessarily wear the fashions that just came out. I find that especially jarring in period dramas, because unless you were nobility, you would definitely wear the same garments over many decades, and just make a few tweaks once in a while.
Next up: That 70s Show!
Yesssa
HONEEEYYY WHAT is that hair on the drawing of steve when they were talking about layer 1😭😭
why do they even need to talk about the “underwear” when we don’t see it? kinda weird
And she got it wrong, because underwear then and now are the same.
it’s still clothes wtf
Jennifer Pearce ...Shes a fashion historian I think she knows what she’s talking about-
@@atasteofhoney6018 I was the age of the character whose underwear she was discussing in the 80s. I know what I'm talking about.
Jennifer Pearce So does she, she’s a fashion historian
02:12 left photo is not a corset cover/ camisole. You can clearly see the boning. This is a bust bodice, used to achieve the typical early Edwardian silhouette. A corset cover wouldn't have been boned, as it's purpose is to prevent the corset showing through the garments.
Yoooooo, yall finally made the drawings soooo good. i see no complaints in the comments section...
yet.
I grew up in the 80s and while camisoles for children and preteens were available they were were not in fact that commonly worn. I wore nothing under my shirt until I got a training bra, just panties and socks, and I don't remember my friends or cousins wearing them either. I did have a wonder woman camisole and matching underwear when I was 6 but I wore it mostly to bed. I recall young girls mostly having undershirts if it's cold, not just all the time. In the time of the Starcourt Mall 11 is in fact developed enough for a bra.
You should do a part 2! I love the artist ❤️
I’m in my 40s and I JUST UNDERSTOOD Brooke Shields’ Calvin commercial 🤦♀️
Sorry but the only camisoles being worn in the 80s where I lived were the Underoos I had when I was 7 or 8 (had Supergirl & Batwoman). Also, I had Chic jeans in 1985 and by 1988 the biggest brand was Guess.
Yep i never remember that being a thing ever in the 80's
@@treacherousviper Yeah. Clearly she didn't actually check with anyone alive during the 80s.
It’s crazy how all these trends are showing up again in stores now a days, for example the graphic T and the higher waisted pants. Even the hair scrunchies and styles. I’ve seen mullets pop up in women’s hair styles more and I think it’s a cute look if you can pull it off
Please do GLOW and continue the 80's fact-checking!! Ruth and Debbie have very different styles in and out of the ring that would be great to compare.
I’m an student or art history, and I really want to specialize en fashion history, this really inspired me
maybe u should do more to include other characters? i mean it's always good to have more of these vids. i love them
People had access to information on fashion. We had magazines, TV, movies and videos. People's quickness to adopt new fashion was affected by various things such as local culture, economics/disposable income, practicality, and availability of items in their local stores.