The Ferjoel the fight can be make more difficult by making enemy same level as us. I fought them at level 60 plus where all my equipment is at level 34. They can straight murder me in 2-3 hit but it feels great when I defeat them.
Imlerith: Who tought u to fight like this. Geralt: Joe Imlerith: What? Who's Jo... Geralt: YO MOMMA LOSER! **Procceeds to burn Imlerith helmet and his head on the proccess**
Toad Prince was extremely easy with Golden Oracle(Better if it is a Superior quality). Loved to have his poison sprayed all over me, basically heals me now.
After fighting as Ciri, and finally knowing Geralt was frozed. The moment of him breaking the ice was epic moment for me. And the amazing music only topped it off. Loved Witcher 3. Mass effect and Witcher are the only RPG game I ve ever completed.
I really wish they had his hair softer, if that makes any sense. More like Eskel's haircut. Thus cut makes Geralt look like an anime fanboy trying too hard to be cool
So did the developers change their mind and decide to make Eredin go from Geralt's arch enemy to just some egomaniac who overestimates his own skills? He doesn't come off that well when he's two generals come closer to killer Geralt than he did.
dragonstormx Well Eredin is never really that amazing a fighter to begin with. He's just an elf commander, nothing more. In fact, he even gets his ass handed to him by sixteen year old Ciri in their first fight.
dragonstormx I think the thing is that Imlerith used a giant fucking mace and tower shield to keep from having a real duel, while Imlerith teleported and used magic. Eredin just tried to beat Geralt in a swordfight, and NOBODY beats Geralt in a swordfight.
Dettlaff van der Eretein Being that guy, *technically* Vilgefortz kicked his ass with a staff and a fuckton of enhancing spells. And his mercenary training. But yeah, Vilgefortz kicked Geralt’s ass in CQC. But then, so did a pitchfork. Such is life in the Witcherverse.
Actually It makes sense because Eridan was fighting because he enjoyed it so he had no problem in prolonging the fight. but geralt didn't want to fight then. he wanted to find Siri and Eridan was just an obstacle he had to get rid of so he took the quickest way to finish him
Sully Hirsch of course, but i think the wild hunt generals had honor in combat, eredin giving Crach his axe back, eredin and caranthir could have killed geralt while he was frozen in the battle of kaer morhen but chose to walk by him instead, imlrith talked about how bravely geralt fought in the battle of kaer morhen, so i wouldn't call them total assholes.
Mohd saleel I didn't say the wild Hunt doesn't have honor I only explained why geralt didn't give Eridan his sword back. And besides it's easy to be honorable when you think you're winning
I don't know about anyone else, but I think Caranthir was the biggest nuisance of the Wild Hunt. He's a mage, so basically he has full teleportation abilities, can call upon monster fodder to fight for him, throw attacks from a distance, fire ice bombs, can use 'kung-fu-esque' combat skills with his staff, and when leading the rest of the Wild Hunt freezes everything and everyone around him, rendering them powerless to do anything against him. It's kind of annoying that the only one who could tango with him without being affected by the white frost was Ciri- and by damaging his staff could allow Geralt to fight him.
Yes it was very annoying. Reading through the books it seems that giving the bad guys way too op things and than struggling to find solutions to them is very much on brand for the series. I guess it's also just a problem with Ciri having very hack n slash gameplay that doesn't feel very polished so that boss wasn't very satisfying to beat and afterwards with Gerald it's just question if you can outheal the boss while constantly running towards him across half the arena, so yeah. I don't think it's much of a stretch to say that the endgame is very much rushed.
@@yourdarknessawaits3895 lol why yall like caramthir so much? His screen time was like 10 min but I like that I am not the only one that can be interested in minor characters in a story.
@@IanBrandonAnderson-d1s I think a main reason people like him is because he basically carries the wild hunt like a champ. Also sounds & looks pretty badass.
@@IanBrandonAnderson-d1s he’s probably the strongest member of the wild hunt, he would have wrecked Geralt like he did to eskel if ciri didn’t wound him. Would have loved to see him humble the lodge.
Cara this is such an interesting character with his past of being almost bred like an animal by Avallach to be the perfect mage and then him rejecting that fate by joining the wild hunt, honestly I wish the whole wild hunt got more screen time so they could be more than just having the motivation of they’re bad because they’re evil.
Only hard bosses in the game are Frog Prince (who is broken) Detlaff (who doesn't telegraph and alters his attack path) and Olgierd (the only decent swordsman enemy in the game.) Oh, and that damn Ofieri wizard.
TimeTrnr for all of them I had the skill that negated all damage taken while dodging which was a huge help, at that point all the fights are just dodge timing and kinda trivialized them
probably because they are the same hulking imposing figure covered in steel, that use their sheer power to dominate and eradicate everything in their way. regardless of relative power. LOTR canon has powers and individuals that are far more powerful than anything in the witcher lore so you cant fairly compare their relative power.
You first! Then those bitches of the Lodge! Not gonna lie, would have loved to have seen Caranthir smash Philippa's head in: Eilheart got off far too lightly...
Non of these bosses were difficult. They were good. Well Imlerith maybe a bit less because you defeat him just to early but non of the Witcher bosses/enemies are difficult. They should have made something like hidden bosses.
Wish you could loot Imlerith's body. That big ass hammer looked pretty damn sweet. Not exactly the type of weapon a witcher would use but neither is shovel
I think it's a little strange he chose to dodge in circles to try to attack from behind. He only landed half of the hits since Imlerith was just spinning with him. Aard has many purposes, one of those is to stagger enemies with shields. Stop making your life harder, and start using Aard.
I was really levelled for most encounters like these in the game and literally felt bad because I was using a broken alchemy build and just chunking the bosses.
Also, legendary demon or no, having to wear a helmet that’s just like, just tight/small where it’ll stay in place without any straps or anything, and than Geralt burns him. Imagine how much of him is still inside of that helmet. 😧
wait silver sword ? i though they are mostly people that are overly build and dabble in magic, or does silver sword also work against witches and mage ? i would guess it be a steel sword with a high armor pierce that will do effective against it
It will never not be funny to me that the wild hunt is actually a bunch of normal looking and superior sounding elves that intentionally try to make themselves as scary as possible.
I've died more time to wolves then I have to all three of these mfs. I haven't even died to them, actually. Easily, the worst part about the Witcher 3, and the Witcher series in general is the mediocre boss fights.
@@Brefast Shit man, even Hearts of Stone had harder bosses. The frog prince, the Caretaker, the Ethereal, all great boss battles. Pretty refreshing to see honestly, since I've always felt kinda underwhelmed with the Witcher bosses, even when they're built up nicely.
I love how battle-smart Ciri is. After two lunging tries she realized he could teleport no matter that he was badly injured so she faked the lunge and struck perfectly behind her, Geralt actually taught her that move at the beginning of the game. That was pretty cool. Geralt was also pretty quick when he realized Imlerith was losing strength during the sword clash and used Aard to knock his mace out of his hands.
i was kinda disappointed with how the story developed after Imlerith's arc. Especially the ending where you fight Caranthir and Eredin very fast with no character or story development. The story seemed rush and somewhat uncompelling as conmpared to how the Wild Hunt was presented at the beginning of the game
16:19 i like geralt but i like eredin more shame we can't play as him or get his armour like in demon souls or bloodborne I'll admit eredin has a really nice set of armour and a nice sword no question
So I did imlerith on blood and broken bones, which is easy enough. Now, the problem was, I had stashed all my other equipment and used the gear level requirement down potion for the kaer morhen battle. I did that fight without upper body armor. My other armor was very low level. Very fun tho, you just die in 2 hits
I was so over leveled for the eredin boss fight that Geralt was eredins boss battle 😂😂😂
sure lookit those are the benefits of grinding so hard, mate!👌
And I die if get hit once...
The Ferjoel the fight can be make more difficult by making enemy same level as us. I fought them at level 60 plus where all my equipment is at level 34. They can straight murder me in 2-3 hit but it feels great when I defeat them.
Same, i was waiting for the fight to really "begin" untill i realised that i had won :P
haha, I was about to comment alike xD When I killed him I was all like "what? that's it?`" :D
Imeralith: who thought u to fight like this.
Geralt: ur mom
As juvenile as it is I laughed imagining it
@@AlphaQHard That's what makes it so funny, because it's so childish.
Who taught you to ride like this
@@pixelwortel9578 ur si-
Imlerith: Who tought u to fight like this.
Geralt: Joe
Imlerith: What? Who's Jo...
Geralt: YO MOMMA LOSER! **Procceeds to burn Imlerith helmet and his head on the proccess**
These roid elves are nothing compared to Toad Prince. That lad was tough.
Rats are much harder, and djinn.
fuck toad prince all my homies hate toad prince
@@ahlikx6295 fuck toad prince all my homies fuck toad prince
Always spam igni problem solved
Toad Prince was extremely easy with Golden Oracle(Better if it is a Superior quality). Loved to have his poison sprayed all over me, basically heals me now.
*Video starts*
Me: "Imlerith seems like a man with his priorities in order.
i like how he smiles before Geralt smash his head :) such a warrior end
he was glad he was killed by someone who pushed him to his limits
Wow, I've seen that cutscene a lot of times and never noticed.. :D
Does it bother anyone else that this guy didn't use the igni rune once against these guys when they had ice armor?
Quen for life
He can't dodge for shit, so he uses Quen more
Wait what?
J.A PCMR
Its arguably the best sign
He doesnt know alt is even a thing, watching him tumble around the place unnecessarily is even more painful
For me caranthir is most badass boss in the witcher 3.
1. Beat eskel
2. Almost beat ciri
3. Almost drown geralt to death
Hail to Caranthir!!!!!!
Always thought him to be much cooler then Eredin
Caranthir probably would’ve beaten Geralt if he wasn’t injured from the fight with Ciri.
@@H.K.5 Nah that's too far
Geralt is leagues above all of them they weren't even a challenge
Where can I get a mask with acoustics like that!
Try searching on Ebay
I heard gimp masks work quite well.
@@tommywiseau6684 Oh hi Tommy
@@tommywiseau6684 ha ha ha, what a story Tommy!
Darth Vader's shop
Eredins voice was perfect.
Nick Gagliardo I think that’s Steven Blum’s voice
@@voltaicthief646 Its not
To bad he had like 3 scenes
@@voltaicthief646 Stephen Hartley.
As you expire.
Imlerith coolest scenes, Caranthir coolest abilities, Eredin ... coolest voice? (with mask)
Coolest swordplay
Coolest lines.
really cold
@@CoronaViRus-im6iv LoL
Caranthir vs eskel was the coolest scene
This was so satisfying, by the time I was at this point in the game, my gameplay was like a sweet action movie
I agree :)
"Nobody cared who I was until I put on the mask..." 💀
It would be extremely painful.
You're a big guy.
For you
After fighting as Ciri, and finally knowing Geralt was frozed. The moment of him breaking the ice was epic moment for me.
And the amazing music only topped it off.
Loved Witcher 3.
Mass effect and Witcher are the only RPG game I ve ever completed.
try dragon age origins
Nooo Geralt what happened to your hair. From baddass to hipster in a haircut.
That's the style I use, lol
I like it that way tho
I really wish they had his hair softer, if that makes any sense. More like Eskel's haircut. Thus cut makes Geralt look like an anime fanboy trying too hard to be cool
I had this haircut because I thought it made geralt look like dante lol
Short loose styles is the best he looks like Dante
I like how Eredin is posing before starting fights lol
Also he had a sword on his belt why would he reach out to grab the other one is beyond me lol,maybe it's a glitch but it happened in my game too.
Doctor Damoclies lol :v
Geralt using HEMA
Vanity. Overconfidence. Main reasons why he lost. And his armor's impracticality too. Great call back to his line; You humans are so, impractical.
@@victorlegarreta3039 Eredin's armor isnt impractical. Maybe in real life. But this isnt real life
So did the developers change their mind and decide to make Eredin go from Geralt's arch enemy to just some egomaniac who overestimates his own skills? He doesn't come off that well when he's two generals come closer to killer Geralt than he did.
dragonstormx Well Eredin is never really that amazing a fighter to begin with. He's just an elf commander, nothing more. In fact, he even gets his ass handed to him by sixteen year old Ciri in their first fight.
dragonstormx I think the thing is that Imlerith used a giant fucking mace and tower shield to keep from having a real duel, while Imlerith teleported and used magic. Eredin just tried to beat Geralt in a swordfight, and NOBODY beats Geralt in a swordfight.
Nathan M except vilgefortz
Dettlaff van der Eretein Being that guy, *technically* Vilgefortz kicked his ass with a staff and a fuckton of enhancing spells. And his mercenary training. But yeah, Vilgefortz kicked Geralt’s ass in CQC. But then, so did a pitchfork. Such is life in the Witcherverse.
@@TheGIJew. remember, he was (almost) killed by a peasant with a pitchfork
"the witcher you slew"
continues to melt dudes face off
Geralt will forever be the most badass protagonist ever
Anyone else find the sound of Imlerith standing up real satisfying?
Yeah I fucking love the sort of rattling/clinking sound of armour and guns in games. Not even as an asmr thing, it's just nice.
I love that part. "The witcher you slew." Then he just sets him on fire. Geralt is such a badass
Eredin kicks the sword to the skellgie guy (forgot his name) so he can die like a warrior, but geralt didn't give Eredin the same gesture
Jarryd Bethune yeah i noticed that too, dick move on geralt's part.
Actually It makes sense because Eridan was fighting because he enjoyed it so he had no problem in prolonging the fight. but geralt didn't want to fight then. he wanted to find Siri and Eridan was just an obstacle he had to get rid of so he took the quickest way to finish him
Sully Hirsch of course, but i think the wild hunt generals had honor in combat, eredin giving Crach his axe back, eredin and caranthir could have killed geralt while he was frozen in the battle of kaer morhen but chose to walk by him instead, imlrith talked about how bravely geralt fought in the battle of kaer morhen, so i wouldn't call them total assholes.
Mohd saleel I didn't say the wild Hunt doesn't have honor I only explained why geralt didn't give Eridan his sword back. And besides it's easy to be honorable when you think you're winning
Sully Hirsch true.
07:30 still gives me goose bumps.
same
I don't know about anyone else, but I think Caranthir was the biggest nuisance of the Wild Hunt. He's a mage, so basically he has full teleportation abilities, can call upon monster fodder to fight for him, throw attacks from a distance, fire ice bombs, can use 'kung-fu-esque' combat skills with his staff, and when leading the rest of the Wild Hunt freezes everything and everyone around him, rendering them powerless to do anything against him.
It's kind of annoying that the only one who could tango with him without being affected by the white frost was Ciri- and by damaging his staff could allow Geralt to fight him.
Eskel was giving him a run for his money until he used his teleportation
Yes it was very annoying. Reading through the books it seems that giving the bad guys way too op things and than struggling to find solutions to them is very much on brand for the series.
I guess it's also just a problem with Ciri having very hack n slash gameplay that doesn't feel very polished so that boss wasn't very satisfying to beat and afterwards with Gerald it's just question if you can outheal the boss while constantly running towards him across half the arena, so yeah.
I don't think it's much of a stretch to say that the endgame is very much rushed.
@@camilomsn4807 caranthir was toying with Eskel he could've frozen him on the spot
@@camilomsn4807Yup Geralt could have done better with his new murations
@@wereyouexpectinganame4014 Yeah,Eskel never had a chance tbh
The Wild Hunt has gotta be one of the coolest villain groups in video game history.
RIP Caranthir, The Golden Child
HAIL CARANTHIR
@@yourdarknessawaits3895 lol why yall like caramthir so much? His screen time was like 10 min but I like that I am not the only one that can be interested in minor characters in a story.
@@IanBrandonAnderson-d1s I think a main reason people like him is because he basically carries the wild hunt like a champ.
Also sounds & looks pretty badass.
@@IanBrandonAnderson-d1s he’s probably the strongest member of the wild hunt, he would have wrecked Geralt like he did to eskel if ciri didn’t wound him. Would have loved to see him humble the lodge.
If you nerds think you’re good, Try beating Imlerith during the battle of Kaermorhen during the fire artillery
You wont
Bro when do you get chance to? I couldn't even find him there.
6:20 that was beautiful af
Jep and then the finisher at 6:25. Freaking Art!
Cara this is such an interesting character with his past of being almost bred like an animal by Avallach to be the perfect mage and then him rejecting that fate by joining the wild hunt, honestly I wish the whole wild hunt got more screen time so they could be more than just having the motivation of they’re bad because they’re evil.
Eredin reminded me of Kratos for a moment...But boy oh boy,am i happy for Geralts sake that he doesn't share anything else with Kratos lol...
Imlerith,not Eredin...
Imlerith is easy at first but once the shields gone it's brutal but Caranthir is the hardest
Edit: Eredin is pretty cool tho
Sir Gary neither of them are difficult
Only hard bosses in the game are Frog Prince (who is broken) Detlaff (who doesn't telegraph and alters his attack path) and Olgierd (the only decent swordsman enemy in the game.)
Oh, and that damn Ofieri wizard.
TimeTrnr for all of them I had the skill that negated all damage taken while dodging which was a huge help, at that point all the fights are just dodge timing and kinda trivialized them
@@timetrnr7380 I agree and I would add the caretaker to the list
One of the best endings to a game I've ever played... plus I beat it on death march difficulty lol Was so hard, but it was so worth it!
Eredin reminds me of Morgoth the first dark lord and master of Sauron
why? he is nowhere near as powerful as morgoth - morgoth/melkor is godlike (vala)
eredin is just an aen elle
FINALY SOMEONE SAID IT TOO
probably because they are the same hulking imposing figure covered in steel, that use their sheer power to dominate and eradicate everything in their way. regardless of relative power.
LOTR canon has powers and individuals that are far more powerful than anything in the witcher lore so you cant fairly compare their relative power.
I think they mean visually.
No shit
Nithral : "Am I a joke to you?"
Try dodging more than rolling, it's more effective than you might think
You first! Then those bitches of the Lodge!
Not gonna lie, would have loved to have seen Caranthir smash Philippa's head in: Eilheart got off far too lightly...
You can just make him kill his own trolls
Elementals, not trolls
Non of these bosses were difficult. They were good. Well Imlerith maybe a bit less because you defeat him just to early but non of the Witcher bosses/enemies are difficult. They should have made something like hidden bosses.
What do you mean "hidden bosses"
Detlaff has joined the chat
Imagine if in the final battle you could have regis and dettlaff to help against the wild hunt.
Wish you could loot Imlerith's body. That big ass hammer looked pretty damn sweet. Not exactly the type of weapon a witcher would use but neither is shovel
you get an acorn :)
I think it's a little strange he chose to dodge in circles to try to attack from behind. He only landed half of the hits since Imlerith was just spinning with him. Aard has many purposes, one of those is to stagger enemies with shields. Stop making your life harder, and start using Aard.
"Show me your spins and piruettes....." *Proceeds to do spinning slashes himself*
best badass scene when geralt gets free from the ice to fight caranthir....the background music makes it look like the badass guy is coming
Dude keep fighting with broken sword, cool
Jean Bryot Keep thinking it matters, cool.
I was really levelled for most encounters like these in the game and literally felt bad because I was using a broken alchemy build and just chunking the bosses.
For most of the fights I outright refused to heal just to make it harder.
Caranthir technically killed me due to the adrenaline death save perk.
Seeing you swing at empty air hurts me deeply.
I honestly love Caranthir's voice
4:37 "THATS FOR MY DAD!"
On my first play through, I legit didn’t know that who the hell Eredin killed in that cutscenes. I thought Crach was just some random guy
damn you must’ve played incorrectly
How the hell did you wind up avoiding everything to do with Crach?
It’s like watching a kid mash buttons 🤢
Can’t dodge doesn’t igni swings blindly abuses the absolute fuck outta quen
After playing on the switch and looking at this i cried
Also, legendary demon or no, having to wear a helmet that’s just like, just tight/small where it’ll stay in place without any straps or anything, and than Geralt burns him. Imagine how much of him is still inside of that helmet. 😧
Sonny James he's just a buff elf with ice magic not a demon
cant believe its been 7 years already insane ...
How do you... NOT have the Mastercrafted Cat gear yet?
You should already have Mastercrafted unlocked long before this.
For PC hold on to Q to unleash Zireal/Ciri ultimate power. IT is POWERFUL
I swear the wildhunt is the only elves that aren't build like freaking bean poles.
I'd have mistaken Caranthir for the final boss if I didn't know better.
"Witcher? So be it. Let us end this."
Caranthir isn't wrong when he calls them "bitches of the lodge."
This is one of the most satisfying video on UA-cam
nithral is crying right now
That ugly haircut! It bothers me so much. Nice play though.
13:28 lol what happened there 😂
Dettlaff's is 10x harder than 3 of them combined..
wait silver sword ? i though they are mostly people that are overly build and dabble in magic, or does silver sword also work against witches and mage ? i would guess it be a steel sword with a high armor pierce that will do effective against it
Steel swords (Geralt's left) are for humans. Silver swords (Geralt's right) are for non-humans.
KerfuffleCookies but you use them on wolves, bears etc so why not the Aen Elle?
You can use the silver sword on anything’ it is a word. The reason you wouldn’t is because silver is more expensive to maintain.
Interesting fact: if you Tell imlerith that ciri is there too you Will hear his voice in Helmet for the only time in game
I beat them on the hardest game settings
Without a doubt,my level 100 with all the extraordinary equipment
the fighting was a torture to watch
Geralt with that hairstyle looks like an anime character
These cutscenes and fighting is just asking me to go back to the Witcher 3
Cranthir: * dope boss line *
Geralt: Not bad.
Great games, great books, and great ...TV series... XD
13:29 The Wild Hunt may not be a challenge, but Air sure is... tossing Geralt like a toy and teleporting him to a random mountain.
It will never not be funny to me that the wild hunt is actually a bunch of normal looking and superior sounding elves that intentionally try to make themselves as scary as possible.
I despise this one. All the other ones are okay but for what this fucker did to vesimir... he deserved a more painful ending
I've died more time to wolves then I have to all three of these mfs. I haven't even died to them, actually. Easily, the worst part about the Witcher 3, and the Witcher series in general is the mediocre boss fights.
true, I think the best fight in the game is the one against detlaff at the end of blood and wine. DLCs definitely improved that part of the game
@@Brefast Shit man, even Hearts of Stone had harder bosses. The frog prince, the Caretaker, the Ethereal, all great boss battles.
Pretty refreshing to see honestly, since I've always felt kinda underwhelmed with the Witcher bosses, even when they're built up nicely.
16:47 the name of the sword ?
10:54 The mighty king of skillege!!!!
Rip👏🏼👏🏼🙏
It bothers me he didn't use igni and any potions and decoctions :(
wait... you actually do healing potions instead of just food?
“... As you expire”
Fuck sakes that delivery 📦
I wonder if Eredin actually died.
Drummerinthe Park good question!
Maybe not because in the apharian phantom contract we hear about the wild hunt retreating and losing a hound
Which quest are ye talking about exactly?
The witcher contract at the halflings honey place
@@ungobungo7986 that was before the final mission
4:15
I hate portals...
I played too much Darksouls and I was expecting a Dark souls boss match fighting eridin
Can anyone tell me what kind of armor that is?
Enhanced Feline Witcher Gear for Caranthier and Eredin, Enhanced Wolven Gear for Imlerith
Geralt first fight: "You RAPED her! You MURDERER her! You killed her CHILDREN!"
U cann't play with out all time jumping?
The only media in existence where elves aren't pansies.
I love how battle-smart Ciri is. After two lunging tries she realized he could teleport no matter that he was badly injured so she faked the lunge and struck perfectly behind her, Geralt actually taught her that move at the beginning of the game. That was pretty cool. Geralt was also pretty quick when he realized Imlerith was losing strength during the sword clash and used Aard to knock his mace out of his hands.
Dante vs Eredin
Omg the music when Geralt unfreezes during the caranthir fight
i was kinda disappointed with how the story developed after Imlerith's arc. Especially the ending where you fight Caranthir and Eredin very fast with no character or story development. The story seemed rush and somewhat uncompelling as conmpared to how the Wild Hunt was presented at the beginning of the game
Caranthyr could have been a stronger boss.
16:19 i like geralt but i like eredin more shame we can't play as him or get his armour like in demon souls or bloodborne I'll admit eredin has a really nice set of armour and a nice sword no question
11:47 SO FUCKING EPIC
...As you expire.
So I did imlerith on blood and broken bones, which is easy enough. Now, the problem was, I had stashed all my other equipment and used the gear level requirement down potion for the kaer morhen battle. I did that fight without upper body armor. My other armor was very low level. Very fun tho, you just die in 2 hits
When I played heavily modded on Death March (even tho NG+) I was literally one shot ded, yet with a bit of queen and good reflexes it was great fun
7:33 what armor is that
imlerith is into furry and anime cat girls biggest villain and nusiance and must be destoyed
who taught you to fight like this
dude i had finished all dark souls
(so there is no such thing as "too much dodging)
My guy did all that and he didn't even use his drowner pheromones.