How Tim Duncan CARRIED The 2003 Spurs To The NBA Championship!
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- Опубліковано 3 січ 2023
- In this video, I discuss the 2002-2003 Champion San Antonio Spurs and why although on paper the team has big names, they really weren't supposed to go to the NBA Finals in the first place. They made it off of Tim Duncan's backpack. Let me know what y'all think in the comments below. Hope you enjoy!
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He carried them offensively but the late 90s/early 2000s spurs were built to be defensive teams built around Duncan and Robinson
2003 Spurs were all chemistry. Timmy of course was the Franchise player, but Manu, Steven Jackson and Steve Kerr made every clutch shot they looked at in the 2003 playoffs.
Shaq once said, "if you told me Tim Duncan is the greatest player of all time, I wouldn't argue against you".
Duncan's scoring during that playoff run is underrated. In a lowing scoring era he put up 28 per game against the Lakers, 28 against Dallas, and 24 against the Nets all on great efficiency. He arguably outplayed Shaq on offense that series and in the '02 series. And of course his defense was all-time stuff.
Tim Duncan definitely top 5 All time, and #1 defensive player all-time. Rings, personal accolades, longevity, played in the strongest western conference ever, and put up all this in the slowest paced era ever, with the least help of anyone else who's name is in the conversation for GOAT. No matter how you slice it.
please read my comment
idk man Hakeem is pretty solidified as the #1 defensive player, he was just insane
Hakeem is clearly the #1 defensive player of all time
It's a travesty that he and pippen never won a DPOY award. Duncan has never really got his due like other star players, because he is a quiet guy from a small market
I will definitely give Tim Duncan top 5 all-time, but he's no higher than #4 defensively.
1. Bill Russell
2. Wilt Chamberlain
3. Hakeem
4. Tim Duncan
5. Shaq
I can't logically put Tim Duncan over Hakeem. Hakeem actually won the award multiple times and is the, on paper, alltime leader in blocks.
Wilt Chamberlain would have the alltime record if the stat was counted.
Bill Russell's defense led him to 11 titles, no more needs to be said.
Now if we're eliminating eras, not talking all-time, then its:
1.Hakeem
2.Tim Duncan
3. Shaq
4. Deebo
5. Mutumbo
I put Duncan ahead of Kobe … he played in the same era, had the numbers , as many rings & was the driver of the bus for all of his .
Definitely Timmy ahead of Kobe. I would take him as a draft pick over Lebron. Maybe the greats single draft pick in NBA history.
@@TheTlewis3074 not over Lebron, imo , does too much out there but if you did I wouldn’t blame you …I knew Timmy was a great in college. Also predicted the Spurs would keep D Robinson out all year to tank to grab him, the shit happened 😅
@johnnywilliams3381 I would put him over Lebron too. Simply because they played against each other and Duncan was the dominant player on the floor and won the most. Plus he didn't chase rings to get them and had no other true superstars.Timmy ruled the nba for over a decade. I would pick him over almost anybody. But yea San Antonio is tanking again, like Charlotte to try and get the kid from France.
Kobe during most of his career was a sidekick of Shaq... He wasn't even the best player in his team for most of the rings Lakers got. The only GOAT argument for him is that he was undoubtedly the best at ballhogging...
This spurs team had really good team defense and the role players came up big when needed. But yes Tim Duncan was dominant throughout the whole post season, he was just simply unguardable.
But if they woulda given him the 2000-2002 teams around him again then he wouldn’t have won in 2003. The 2003 team was special.
@@ryankilgore6647 yup that 2003 team was special and deep.
If you remember the next season, sports commentators would say over and over throughout the regular season and playoffs that the loss of Stephen Jackson was basically putting them where they probably wouldnt repeat.
@@ryankilgore6647 yes. The lost of SJ was a big loss. He was the x factor in my opinion.
@@johnconnor210 right, he became "not good" for the team (and the spurs system) only after he left as he got in with other teams.
Great video. I’ve been saying this forever. 2003 Duncan and 1994 Hakeem had two of the biggest carry jobs to a championship in NBA history.
Great Take on a Winner in Duncan ⚫️⚪️⚫️sending kobe and fisher home crying was a treat
You're underselling Bruce Bowen and his legendarily border line harassing defense. Between him and Duncan matching up defensively witlh the top 2 options on opposing teams.
And his notorious 3 point shooting. Also, Parker wasn't a rookie. It was his second year.
Hell Ginobili stayed in the passing lanes
He forgot david robinson is still useful in 03
Bowen wasn’t the 2nd best. He was like the 5th man.
Lol stop it 🤣
Out of all the championships they've won 5 together this is my favorite championship 03 because I remember I was 10 years old and nobody gave him a chance
You were too young to understand. Everyone knew that the Spurs would win. It was between them and the Lakers. The East had no answer for any team with big men consisting of Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, and Shaq.
Houston. Hakeem had Kenny Smith at point guard in 94-95 championship. Enough said.
That is my first thought. Robert Horray and Mad Max too, right? Did they even have a championship caliber roleplayer?
Kenny who?
Wasn't Clyde Drexler there?
@@charrelson9735 not the first championship against NY.
@@df4480 so 93-94. Ok I got it
Here's an amazing fact: Tim Duncan won two titles and two FMVP without an all star or an ALL NBA player. In 1999 he didn't have a teammate who made an all star game, all NBA, or all defense...which is crazy. Though in 2003 Bruce Bowen did make 2nd team all defense, but that was it. Kareem, Lebron, Kobe, Michael, Magic, or Larry Bird has never accomplished this feat even once.
@@ea11111 no, youre wrong. No all star game was played in 1999.
@@ea11111 no...there were no all star selections period. How can david Robinson be an all star yet not be named to at least an all nba team or all defense?
So because there was no allstar game means that there's no superstars? That's equates saying Tim Duncan wasn't a superstar. 🙄
@@younglove3362 Reading comprehension is clearly not your friend
@@tonywong8134 there have been several instances where a player was named an all star but failed to get an all nba or all defensive team selection, happens every season to at least one player, sometimes even the other way around, where a player makes an all nba team without being named an all star (Siakam last season)
The most disrespected GOAT of all time. Thanks for this
Thank you, tim Duncan needs some more spotlight
Lowkey underrated tbh
I’ve seen a few list not have him top 10 and even if he is there I would say most have him 7-10 and in my opinion he’s 5th or 6th so technically that means I think he is underrated even if it is by a small margin. That’s why I said lowkey.
@kints rapist2 reality he has as strong a top 5 case as anyone besides Jordan kareem and bron who are obviously top 3. Everyone thinks kobe is miles better no debate and timmy is definitely better. Kobe was great and all but he was just like a 93% jordan
@@deathstarstallion stop the cap 😂
Lets not forget Tim near Quadruple double in game 6 of the 03 Finals.
Tim actually got the quadruple double…they cheated him out of 2 blocks. Get it right man.
@@ottocurry4886 not during the Finals…or even in the playoffs for that matter. Don’t even try to compare David’s with what Tim did in that game.
it was supposed to be a quad double, they just didnt count those 2 blocks. they cheated him out of it.
@@crimsoncoconut2421 yep. My point though was david's quad double had nowhere near the difficulty factor of tim's "robbed" quad double...so to even attempt to compare the two is ridiculous.
@@ryankilgore6647 exactly! i think we both have the same point.
Game 6 commentators:
PBP: "Where would the Spurs be without Tim Duncan?"
Color: "Picking in the top 13."
YES DUDE!
03 Duncan is a Top 5 player of all time. MVP, Finals MVP, and one of the greatest Finals performances ever
Not..the ref that went to jail for cheating is the real mvp
@@SRTHEMIMOPAR 🤡🤡🤡
I love Tim Duncan but I'm taking KG over him all time just my opinion
No, he wasn't.
Oh yeah, because the finals was always the toughest battle to play. Their toughest opponent was Dallas. And and Dallas wasn't even the biggest threat. The best at this time was Dallas, Lakers, and Spurs. And Dallas was weak on defense while the Lakers were gased out. Everyone knew the Spurs would win after they beat the Lakers.
That was peak tim duncan
Some people will point to how the Spurs got lucky to miss a healthy Kings team that playoffs and that Dirk missed a chunk of the WCF, which while true, is just apart of sports. A lot of great title winning teams needed some luck to fall there way to win, and that's perfectly fine.
claxton also played good role hitting jumpers as well as stephen jackson hitting threes
Timmy was possibly the greatest single draft pick in NBA history, ahead of Kobe or Lebron. And he did it on a franchise with no history of winning. It was his NBA for a decade or more plus he won before Parker and Ginobli got there. Give the man his due. Top 5 all time no doubt.
Tim should have had the only quadruple double in playoffs and finals history in those finals against the Nets, and only the 4th all time, if he hadn't got screwed out of 2 assists
U right, Robinson was old, rookie Manu, Parker playing the 2nd year in the league, all Tim Duncan
Wrong, they had the best coach and a great supporting cast that functioned well around Tim Duncan. He never had to struggle.
I’m glad someone notices this. No one talks about Duncan’s 2003 season
Tim Duncan is considered the greatest PF of all time
duncan is deff underrated people forget he is in same conversation as kobe magic and bird
people need to forget placing kobe in the same conversation as magic, bird and duncan. In all of his 5 rings, you can argue that he was not the best player in that team. Just because he scored the most points, doesn’t mean he should score the most points.
@@rudyardganuelas6254 how dumb could you get 😂
@@rudyardganuelas6254 so you was saying duncan was also carried in 2014 finals? Duncan have like 12 PPG that season and 16 PPG in whole playoffs where they won against bron and miami superteam with kawhi being finals MVP.
@@rudyardganuelas6254 although bird don't have a superstar teammate on his championship runs.. magic had kareem! In like 5 freaking championship run.. kareem! Were talking about 6 titles 6 season MVP and the current leading all time score.. even bron didn't have that.. and you taught kobe's championship run was all about shaq? Soo your like saying duncan was also carried in 07 and 14 championship run... kareem carried by magic and even shaq was carried by dwade in miami? And dude! SCORING is the biggest factor in the game of basketball! Like wtf? They literally count the score of the teams to determine who won the game and the biggest or even the 2nd best contributor of that team score is nonsense? Nahhhh you must be smoking some real good crack right there 😂
@@rudyardganuelas6254 and wtf you mean 'if he score the most points doesn't mean he should score the most points 😂 like damn you taking phil Jackson as a dumb coach then? He choose kobe to be the primary scorer of the team and the face of lakers since shaq left and you mean to tell me that he shouldn't score that much? 😂😂😂 dude just because spurs rotation scoring is a good strategy doesn't mean other strategy are nonsense 😂... dude phil build around kobe's offense placing him as the heart of the triangle offense and you think that kobe shouldn't score that much? Like wtf 😂
I was thinking, you’re gonna have to convince me after your opening. Idk if you convinced me but, you got a subscriber.
Thanks I guess lol
Tim Duncan won the 2003 MVP, but he also was a 1st team All-NBA and a 1st team All-Defensive. Tim Duncan played with that 2003 team without a teammate that made it to the All-Star team (not as a starter nor as a reserve). Shaq said it himself to McGrady's face when the latter said how great Duncan's teammates were and could have been a play off team without him: "they lived off of Mr. Duncan getting doubled. If you take Tim off that team, they don't have the same success".
Tim Duncan is the greatest player after MJ i will never change my stand on it
You should lol
Robinson was there when he was new...
Parker, Manu, Horry, Steve Kerr, Bowen.
Basketball is a team competition.. so there's always someone to help.
Remember who AI with when he brought Phila to the Finals.
Horry was not on the team in 03. Yes every championship team has help but my main point was that the big names we know and love either weren’t the same or weren’t even close to their primes and I thought that was important to note since I’ve heard many times that Duncan in all his finals runs had a bunch of help and in this specific title run imo wasn’t the case
I agree that AI had the greatest carry job ever. He had old Mutombo, Eric Snow, and that’s it.
However, 2 words: Eastern conference.
In my opinion, that team would not have reached the western finals.
Tim 03 > AI in 01. Never forget that there are 2 sides of the game. While AI carried the 76ers offense, he had to be carried on defense because he was a liability due to his size. Tim on the other hand carried the spurs offense and was their most important piece on defense
@@beyondhalfcourt yeah but don’t forget Stephen Jackson did more for the team to get them the ring in 2003 than Robert Horry did for the team 2005.
@@beyondhalfcourt he did have a lot of help Manu and Tony was great they just didn’t have the recognition at the time but they definitely had all star talent during that time
this is one of the most underrated impressive championship runs by a player in nba history if duncan did ghis with the lakers and any other big brand duncan's 03 tittle run would be talked about more this was the worst spurs championship team manu and tony averaged under ten points and david robinson was a shell of himself
Duncan's 2003 title run is similar to other greats in terms of dominance, impact, and scoring efficiency:
1991 Jordan, 1995 Hakeem, 2000 Shaq, 2011 Dirk, 2012 Lebron, 2019 Kawhi, 2023 Jokic
You could argue that 1995 Hakeem and 2011 Dirk had better title runs than 2003 Duncan due to their times having much lower championship odds.
Having lower championship odds doesn’t change how much someone did. You ever thought SA were favoured because they had Duncan?
About a season or two after this championship is when the rules changed after the Spurs & Pistons finals opening up the offense for every kind of player.
I love your name
@@beyondhalfcourt Thank you I come a very long lineage, named after my father, & named after his father before him. About 68 before me if I had to count.
Shaq always has a huge impact and is loud in the conversation of who is the greatest big man in the NBA of his era, whereas Duncan has been quiet. But in the long run, people will have an unbiased view.
Big Man is usually the moniker for Center. Tim Duncan widely considered best PF of all time .
I remember Parker was Elite in game 5 and 6 vs the Lakers and for the first 5 game vs the mavs he was good
Yea he had a couple of moments but he was never able to keep those performances up.
Lol you can’t pick out spots and pretend like he wasn’t a walking brick the majority of the playoffs and wasn’t getting benched in several clutch moments for speedy claxon. Reality is Tim had that team on his back. Led them in every statistical category except steals and was the only guy the spurs could consistently rely on. Everyone else was sporadic
That was the big problem the West in that time was the tougher road to finals but since no matter who came out of the east it was going to be a cakewalk.
I know he was called the big fundamental but we had a nickname for him where I grew up. We called him the engine. Cause we felt he made that whole franchise go
Daniels was partially sent out of SA due to an offseason altercation at the JCC basketball court over the summer. He wasn't the instigator but it rubbed some elite folks the wrong way.
Greatest Pf of all time!!! In Pop we trust. Go Spurs Go!!!
I get it. Besides Duncan, a lot of the 2003 Spurs players were either past or before their prime. It wasn't that surprising that they won, as they were the best defensive team in the NBA that year.
So he had some help but for the most part he carried his team that season. Very interesting.
This is a good underrated "carry" performance by Tim. I will say though that in addition to Parker, Ginobili, and Robinson, none of whom were in their primes at the time, it was still a Pop coached team that also featured Bruce Bowen and Stephen Jackson. They were still a nice squad overall, but Timmy was definitely a horse this year. To me, Dirk in 2011 remains the greatest "carry" in recent memory. Honorable mention goes to Kawhi with the Raptors in 2019. It would be cool to see videos on those performances too.
In the 2003 playoffs, Tim Duncan led the Spurs in points, rebounds, assists, and blocks throughout the entire playoffs. In the 2011 playoffs, Dirk led the Mavs in only scoring throughout the entire playoffs. Plus, Duncan had to come up huge in each of the clinching games in the 2003 playoffs. He dropped 37/15 in game 6 against the 3-peat Lakers in the second round and 21/20/10/8 in game 6 against the Nets in the finals. Dirk hardly even played in the clinching game against the Lakers and was the 4th leading scorer for the Mavs in that clinching game. Plus, in game 6 against the Heat in the finals, Jason Terry was the leading scorer for the Mavs and Dirk only shot 33% from the field in that clinching game. Not sure how you can say Dirk in 2011 had to "carry more" than Duncan in 2003, and I feel like you're forgetting that Dirk had great teammates who also stepped up huge in the 2011 playoffs
Did you forget that Mavs team was stacked 1-10 with HOF and Great Role players for their age . Kidd, Terry,Barea, Caron Butler, Dasean Stevenson, Peja Stojokovic, Dirk, Haywood, Chandler, Shawn Marion please stop saying Dirk carried that team because he didn't. They were loaded they made Phil Jackson retire by 4-0
even thought duncan was the only real all star, they had the best defense in the league by FAR, and that's team effort. David Robinson was still an elite defender probably a top 5 center in the NBA. They had a lot of depth, probably one of the biggest depths in that decade in Robinson, Duncan, Ginobili, Parker, Stephen Jackson, Bruce Bowen, Steve Kerr, Malik Rose, Steve Smith, Speedy Claxton. They were always in the mix for the best record in the league, so, it wasn't like they came from the bottom.
@@leonardoyi3183 David Robinson was not a top 5 center in 2003. In the 2003 playoffs, David Robinson only averaged 23 MPG, 7 PPG, and 6 RPG. That is not a top 5 center there. And in the 2003 WCSF against the 3-peat Lakers and prime Shaq, David Robinson only averaged 5.8 PPG and 5.7 RPG while Duncan had to average 28 PPG and 12 RPG. Duncan was the main person who had to stop Shaq in that series, and he put up great numbers on offense too. Dirk wasn't even close to being the best interior defender on the 2011 Mavs; it was Tyson Chandler instead. Plus, the 2011 Mavs had a great supporting cast around Dirk too like Kidd, Terry, Barea, Stevenson, Peja, Haywood, Chandler, and Marion. Chandler literally won DPOY the next year after the 2011 playoffs, while David Robinson was at the end of his career in the 2003 playoffs. And in 2003, Parker was in his second-year and he would consistently get benched in the playoffs while in 2011, Dirk had a HOF with Jason Kidd. Tim was the best scorer, interior defender, and facilitator for the Spurs in the 2003 playoffs. Dirk was only the best scorer for the Mavs in the 2011 playoffs.
@@sankethreddy3359 when did i compare 2011 kidd vs 2003 parker? i didnt make any comparisons regarding the 2011 mavs, but i would probably take 2003 parker over 2011 kidd. Kidd was a 9.3 ppg, 7.3 apg, and 4.5rpg, with a 14.4 per and a 50% true shooting. Parker was a 14.7ppg, 3.5apg and 2.8rpg with a 16.5 per and 54.2% true shooting. Those are playoff stats. And by the way, that wasn't tony parker rookie season, that was his second season in the league. The one who was a rookie that season was ginobili. Now, regarding Robinson, read my comments. I never said Robinson was the same Robinson he was when he was mvp. I said he would probably still be a top 5 center at that time and that he was still an elite defender. That could probably be the weakest era in the center position. He wasn't better than Shaq, Yao Ming, or Ben wallace. Now the next best centers in the league were brad miller, ilgauzkas and Shawn Bradley. You could make a case for robinson being better than those 3. So, yes, Robinson at that moment could very well be a top 5 center in the league, maybe even top 4.
Manu the next year was already taking the Argentina beating the Duncan lead nba us team for gold medal that is kind of how strong the spurs over all as a team in those years.
Overseas play is way different than the NBA. Patty Mills today barely plays but when he plays during the Olympics he’s an absolute god.
@@beyondhalfcourt he started play international four year prior to nba. Already get a gold in the American cup in 2001 and already on the all tournament team in 2022 for FIBA that the others in the nba are Peja, Dirk, and Yao. He is that good and still sit on the bench for the spurs. That is kind of how good that team was as a team.
Duncan was in God mode that year.
The 1994 Finals featured 2 teams that each had a superstar center and no other superstars, and it went to 7 games. Whether the Rockets won (as they did) or the Knicks won (which they almost did), it would've been a similar 1-superstar formula.
The Rockets knew, in fact, how difficult that was, and that's why they added Drexler mid-way through the next year.
95 Rockets are still the lowest seed to win NBA title as well
They were 6th no homecourt advantage any series either
So crazy that 103 points a game used to be the best offense crazy how pace and talent has increased so much so quickly
It was a completely different game back then
The rules have changed to allow offenses much more freedom. No defensive zone schemes, no hand-checking, fouls called much more frequently for small/minimal contact, travels and carries are non-existent etc... If you allow double step-backs and 3-4 steps to the rim, carrying of the ball with zero contact it's kind of easy for a pro to score.
2006 D-Wade carrying the Heat to their first championship averaging 37 points at the age of 24 years old still in his rookie contract. Enough said 🎬
He had Shaq!
Did you not see all the phantom foul calls to help DWade
it was rigged. lmao
Good job!!👏👏👏👏
Thanks Keith
Don't applaud. This video is flawed in so many ways. 🙄
Timmy 👑
Tim Duncan is the greatest power forward ever. Ahead of Giannis in my opinion. I always had to argue with Bucks fans. It's like people who didn't grow up in the 90s saying LeBron is better than Jordan.
Duncan is way, way, wayyyy ahead of Giannis. 🤣
Demarcus Cousins himself thinks TD is top 5, and he's actually played against Timmy
IMO, anyone who doesn't think TD is top 5 is deluded. Being the unspoken alpha for 5 championships and an unspoken quadruple double in a Finals game? is just right below MJ territory..
Manu definitely hit the ShamGod at 6:05🔥🔥
Bro I screamed when he did that. It was NASTY.
Carry job could be a very could series. You should make more
Will definitely happen!
The Mavs had a good team Dirk , Finley , and Nash the next year they got deeper with Walker and Jamison joining in the offseason but they couldnt put it together
Dirk only played 3 games in the series and they won game 1. The next year's Mavs was actually worse because they had too many ball stoppers and no interior presence.
Man this should’ve been Mavericks first year winning it all.
Agreed...that playoffs injury :(
@@dirkdufflp11 most stacked team the Mavericks ever had.
I miss TD.
duncan just had the better career than kobe. dude was more efficient, more mvps, more finals mvp and has the same amount of rings
I hate to be that guy to mention Lebron but Iverson falls into this category too - but a guy like Lebron receives all the credit in the world for his 2007/2018 finals runs. HIA fans point to them constantly and they should - both were impressive as hell….. but not unheard of. We’ve seen other guys carry subpar teams to the finals and a few guys even won (Duncan 2003/ Hakeem 1994) generally when a team like Bron 2007 & AI 2001 it’s a matter of competition. If you are in an east conference that massively increases your chances of carrying a team to the finals. 1989/1990 MJ won 5 playoff games against the Bad Boys those 2 years playoff series. The Bad Boys only lost 2 games total the other 6 series (that includes 2 NBA finals) so they lost 5 games in 2 series against MJ….. and only 2 games the other 6 series - but because the best team in the league was in the east MJ doesn’t get credit for “carrying his team” even though clearly they were the 2nd best team. Lebron 2007/2018 & Iverson 2001 played in weak eastern conferences and for those teams simply having Lebron/AI was enough to make a finals run. They then played the best team in the league in the finals and were stomped. Duncan 2003 & Hakeem 1994 don’t get nearly enough credit for those rings - complete carry jobs and not only made the finals but win a ring
Tony Parker & Manu we’re in their 2nd and first seasons in the league 2003
So Hakeem doesn't get any shine?
Bruh, the vid is about Duncan not Hakeem. I do plan on making a vid tho about Hakeem.
I totally forgot mount mutombo was on that Nets team, not to mention the white mamba himself brian scalabrine!
Mutombo was 37 years old that season just a year younger than David Robinson clearly he can't be the reason this was a carry job this is a pathetic video Duncan is good but to say he carried 4 hall of famers is stupid as hell this is an awful pointless video
I think you’re missing quite a bit of context. That team was good all around, and although TP and Manu were young, you’re selling that supporting cast very short. That was a fantastic all-around team and 1 seed with a reigning MVP. Furthermore, in the conference finals Tim only played 2.5 games against Dirk, who got injured in game 3, ruining Dallas’ chances. I just don’t see how it could be considered an improbable title run
Yea I regret not including dirks injury. Couldn’t tell you why I didn’t. But spurs were still up 2-1 once dirk was done so even though we can’t say for certain, I still think the spurs had a chance to win even with dirk there
Timmy GOAT
Facts... Jordan the 🐐, Timmy the best PF of all time!!!
NO HELP???
B.BOWEN one of the best defenders in the NBA.
MANU was already a star in EUROPE...just because he wasnt playing big minutes that doesnt mean he wasnt performing great on those minutes.
S.JACKSON
Old veterans like D.FERRY / S.KERR / K.Willis / S.Smith who lead the league in 3points % the year before
T.Parker was already averaging 16 PPG.
And Malik Rose was also a good fit on that team...
Yes Bowen was good, Manu and jackson werent performing great other than in the lakers series, ferry, Kerr, smith, and Willis barely played enough or didn’t at all in the playoffs to make a lasting impact, yes TP was averaging 16 but is was inefficient and Malik else was Ight.
@@beyondhalfcourt Werent performing well????LOL
IN game 6 vs MAVS
MANU scored 9 points in the last quarter and it was S.KERR 3/3 from 3 point line that make them win that game and advance.
GAME 4 the 3rd win:
S.JACKSON - 17 points in just 12 shoots.
MANU -21 points in just 12 shoots.
T.Parker 25 points .
GAME 2 :
Malik 25 Points
Tp 19 points in 12 shoots
SJackson 17 points.
I can keep on talking about games just a basic search to prove that i am right.
THats the problem when people that didnt watch those games talk about averages.
It was a team that most of the time didn't need to be carried
Duncan was clearly the best at that time, but he only carried the team on a few key matches as Parker and Ginobili did on the following seasons.
I understand you have to make a "controversial" title for the video, but you are looking the Spurs in the wrong way. I can only agree that Duncan is an all time top 10.
Duncan was never carried lol
He never carried a team either.
If you wanna see “duncan with no help”, look at 2000-2002. It was 2003 where the help came. Not having Stephen Jackson was why they lost in 2004…and having Speedy Claxton as a backup PG was huge and made the PG duo (Parker/Claxton) better than anything the franchise had ever seen. It wasnt until the arrival of Patty Mills many years later that we saw a better PG duo for the Spurs. Parker struggled in 2003 but he did more to help Duncan in a clutch was than Avery Johnson had ever done for David Robinson.
The “no help” is hyperbole. Sure there was help, but not to the level in which you would expect with the names on the roster.
@@beyondhalfcourt right but my point is the 2003 team was better than the 2005, 2007, and 1999 teams.
Look up their squad. Bowen is one of the best pure defenders of all time. They still had Robinson, though past his prime. Manu coming into his own. Tony Parker just starting. Stephen Jackson. They were very loaded…but the “super star” was only Duncan. They were a deep team.
That underperformed in the playoffs
@@beyondhalfcourt Duncan was definitely on God Mode. Almost got a quadruple double in game 6…but that Spurs team was insanely deep. I will say this. Usually title teams have at least 2 players who score over 20 a game. This team had one insanely great player and the rest were great role player/bench player type guys. They won each series 4-2. None went to game 7.
No help my ass! David Robinson HOF, Tony Parker HOF, Manu Ginobli HOF, Bruce Bowen NBA All Defense. Stephen Jackson great 2 Way player. And most importantly they all bought into their roles. And were anchored by Greg Popovich HOF coach
Well technically Tony Parker isn’t a HOF but I get what you mean. But just because they are in the hall of fame doesn’t mean that played at the level in 03. They didn’t, and that’s fine.
If you ask me the Lakers beat themselves that season in 03 Kobe said himself that that Shaquille O'Neal wasn't up to his full potential when they won that first title so after that it's kind of like the second Championship I start seeing the cracks in the Lakers even though there was still playing great basketball I think they should have beaten the Spurs but the Lakers were playing like a split team it was like basically playing against themselves Kobe versus Shaq
Fax. I should have mentioned that because that did play a big part.
The Lakers may have won 4-1 in 02 but they barely won in all the games they won.
Had TD had a bit more offensive help they'd have won that series. TD played better than either Kobe or Shaq did that series.
Lakers were going to lose to the Spurs regardless of whether or not they were close knit or not. They barely beat a worse version of the Spurs a year earlier in '02. That series went to 5 games but in every game the Spurs were up by double digits in the start of the 4th but couldn't maintain it due to lack of depth and scoring. Adding Stephen Jackson and Manu a year later was the difference maker. If they were able to play in '02 I believe the Lakers would have lost a year earlier.
@@doctorx1924 I agree with you some what but I'ma see you again if Shaquille O'Neal would have played like the first championship season that Lakers team would have been unbeatable
Tim Duncan 5th best player all time fr
no help lol. parker, stephen jackson, manu, and david robinson. that team had good players
Yea they were good in the regular season but in the playoffs everyone except Duncan dipped especially in scoring efficiency and accuracy.
42% is not bad shooting for pg/sg. Stop comparing that to Centers and Powerforwards. You can live with that especially with good rebounding.
I’m not comparing to centers. I’m comparing it to themselves. For example, Tony Parker shot 46% from the field in the regular season. In the playoffs, it dropped down to 40% which is pretty significant not only because he was the 2nd or 3rd best player on the team, but everyone else’s fg% and in some cases 3pt% also went down by a significant margin. Idc how good your rebounding is, that is not helpful.
@@beyondhalfcourt no compare Pg to PG. When you say he had no help show how other players they faced out played his teammates and he saved them. All the PGs they faced in the west shot about 44% from the field. JKidd in the finals shot 37%. This was a low scoring, tough defensive era. Duncan had help. Especially for his era of play.
I'm not saying you're wrong, but I get a feeling you might be overlooking defense. I know when the Bulls were winning title, Jordan got most of the attention but they were defense first teams. The second three peat had 4 lock down studs, Jordan, Pippen, Rodman, and Harper. Now, I know that Duncan was a defensive stud and the Admiral was when he was younger. But for the Spurs to win in 6, someone had to at least be playing decent defense on Kobe, right.?
The team defense was definitely there. I know I really didn’t mention it but I strictly wanted to look at the offensive side of the ball because that’s where most of my problems are when it comes to the help Duncan had. Was Duncan the best defender in the team? Yes, but he also had other guys to help as well which played a huge part in them winning series. Was Duncan the best offensive player on the team? Yes, but when it came to playoff time the guys like Parker and Jackson who were supposed to help really didn’t to the level that they did in the regular season so the spurs had to overly rely on their defense to win and I gave Duncan a bunch of credit because not only did he have to carry a lot of the load on the defensive end despite all the defensive pieces, he had to do it while still being a great offensive player which he did.
@@beyondhalfcourt I'm not disputing Duncan was the man on both sides of the ball. I just believe defense wins championships. And if he wasn't getting help on offense he had to be getting help on defense.
Jason Kidd said had they doubled team Tim Duncan they believed they would have won
I still don’t think that would’ve stopped him lol Duncan was that good
The spurs had plenty of experience.
Just because you have experience doesn’t mean you are guaranteed to win. Malone and Stockton played with each other for years and still couldn’t win it all.
Tim had David Robinson in 03, really he did it by himself?
David Robinson was in his last year of his career and didn’t even average double figures in points. Was still a solid rim protector and rebounder but that’s it.
@@beyondhalfcourt he averaged 10 points in the finals so he did have double figures in points plus tim still needed David's defense seeming that defense was a big part of who the spurs were
Wow 10 points!
@beyondhalfcourt defense wins championship and Robinson gave his presence with Rebounds and Blocks. Don't play yourself trying to downplay The Admiral because he was very important defense anchor in that team despite being his retirement year
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Wrong! Don’t disrespect that spurs team by trying to give Timmy all the credit. Ginobli was a rookie but he 25+ years old and David robinson wasn’t just some role player .. even if his stats say so. He has so much knowledge & leadership and still could block shots .. saying Tim Duncan “anchored” a spurs defense to hood Kobe & shaq to 90 Ppg is crazy. He never wasn’t stopping Kobe or shaqs scoring. Sounds like a fake LOW
Thanks for the compliment lol
@@beyondhalfcourtare you trolling because it seems your trying to downplay one of the GOATs in Robinson and giving all credit to young Duncan. What was your purpose even making this video?
The purpose of the video was to show how you and many others beliefs about the help Duncan had in 03 are massively misinterpreted because of who his help either was (Robinson) or was going to be (Parker & Ginobili). I hate to break it to you but those guys just weren't as good as you may think they were at that point of their careers. @@TheSub-SaharanAmericanLegend
@@beyondhalfcourt bs. Stay away from this basketball topic and go play with your computer geek games. Because this ain't it. This is a problem when we let anybody have a UA-cam platform to even say cringing things. How about keeping eep your thoughts to yourself
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Revisionist. Only some equipment manager would call manu, parker and Robinson as “no help“. Duncan is definately top 5-10
I’m just talking about 1 year. Sure throughout their lifetime on the spurs manu and Parker were huge in their success but in 03 they were not at the point that they were just 2 seasons later. I simply wanted to point this out because from what I seen and heard people are led to believe that manu and Parker were elite in every championship run they just weren’t. That’s not revisionist history. It’s a fact. And it’s ok they weren’t elite because they were in their first 1-2 seasons.
That year was Robinson’s last year and Manu’s/Parker’s Rookie/sophomore years
@Beyond Half Court they were Still influential because Parker was killing and same for Manu. You a non hooper just a Stat watcher
You can watch the games back. They were not killing.
I've seen way to many comments like this. It's funny y'all are the same people who argued at the time that Parker wasn't a top 10 point guard in the league at any point in his career. Same people that say Manu would have been an average starter anywhere else. Same people that forget the admiral existed when naming the greatest bigs from the 90s. You really can't have it both ways. Should have been willing to acknowledge how great the Spurs were back in the day, instead you were all on top of Kobe or LeBron. But if we follow your narrative we should really be naming Duncan the actual goat. 2 iconic buzzer beaters from Derrick Fisher and Ray Allen were the only thing that stopped Timmy from finishing with 7 rings and 20 years of consecutive playoffs. That sounds better than Jordan to me...
Parker, Ginobili, Robinson, and Bowen?
Did you watch the video?
the 00's didn't have legends like jerry west larry bird magic johnson kareem abdul-jabbar oscar robertson bill russell and wilt chamberlain
Lol they had shaq, Kobe, lebron, Wade, KG, and Dirk. That’s pretty comparable. Also, wilt, Oscar, bull Russell Jerry west never played at the same time as magic and bird and Kareem only played against those guys for 3-4 seasons so I’m not sure why you grouped up all these guys together as if they played at the exact same time.
@@beyondhalfcourt to sum this up i did do and will rank the best players ever in this EXACT order #1 TIED wilt chamberlain and bill russell #2 oscar robertson #3 kareem abdul-jabbar #4 michael jordan #5 magic johnson #6 larry bird and #7 jerry west
A suggestion for the video despite the overall great quality: the face cam doesn't add much value for the video, imo.
I mainly do it to not get copyright strikes on NBA footage but appreciate the input.
WTF is this guy talking about? 3:00 in , " Robinson was just cooked " , 8 rebounds is actually quite a lot per game. 8.5 points . His role in the offense diminished as Duncan was taking on more of his role.
His stats went down because he was regressing and getting older. Not just because Duncan was there getting more touches. Just stop. You telling me that a guy who averaged 21 and 10 for his career isn’t a shell of himself when he averages 8 and 8? That’s insane. Imagine telling me lebron isn’t cooked if he averaged 8 points and 8 assists. Sure 8 assists is great but 8 POINTS? He just wouldn’t be the same player.
@@beyondhalfcourt Considering the minutes he was getting, it wasn't bad production. You make it sound like scoring is the only thing that wins games. Assist , Rebounds , steals, these too should be considered contributing factors in deciding outcomes of games. Was Tim more effective at scoring when Robinson was on or off the court. Tim is one of the greatest players in the History of the league, however the point production is just one small aspect of the game.
Spurs #1
Why didn't you bring up Dirks injury??
Yea I should’ve. That’s my B
If you were watching basketball at that time you’d know that dirk’s injury really wouldn’t have changed a thing. As good as dirk was offensively, he was flat out trash defensively. It’s not some random coincidence that Tim was averaging prime Shaq numbers against the mavs until dirk got hurt
@ThePhenom10805 Game 1 was Duncan and Dirks best games and yet the Mavs won. I watched the series and can whole heartedly say without him they collapsed in game 3 and game 6 they let San Antonio go on a 42-15 run. So all that great defense wasn't happening without him like you thought. They literally had their worst stretches defensively without him and you're fixated on Duncan's numbers. Game 4 they held the lead for basically the first half and then midway through the 3rd quarter they went cold only losing the game by 7pts. Dirk in that situation used to eat San Antonio but he wasn't there. Then they won without him which should indicate that with him there healthy they could possibly be up 3-1. So miss me with that crap.
Don't forget about 07 but I know you don't want to push a certain narrative with a certain player Tim Duncan also didn't have help in 2007
Yea… no
What about the best hip check of that postseason?!? (Robert Horry)
There wasnt a better one during the Stanley Cup Playoffs either
Ricky, East was VERY weak in 2007. You can stop your insinuations. And he lost. 😂
@Jo Gendron 😆 What are you talking about lebron has been the most consistent player over the years.. He still getting swept in 2023 just like he did in 07 🤣
Stephen Jackson, Speedy Claxton, Rose, Parker, Ginobli, Bowen, and an AWESOME veteran core. I’m sorry, that team was stacked. Tony Parker was awesome and when he had a bad game, Claxton stepped in. The 2003 team was better than the 2005 team…and I don’t care if Parker and Ginobli were peak in 2005. The 2003 team was better.
2003 spurs were stacked and better than 05? Nah I can’t go for that.
@@beyondhalfcourt Stephen Jackson was much better for Duncan’s spurs than Horry was for them…by FAR. The 2003 had a good backup PG. The veteran core was better in 2003. All that plus in 2003 you still had Parker and ginobli…the players I just mentioned offset Parker and ginobli being peak in 05.
@@beyondhalfcourt the 2003 guys..Duncan, Parker, Bowen, Ginobli…WITH Jackson and Claxton….those guys coulda won 6 straight. You can’t say that about hardly any team in NBA history.
Tim Duncan is great, but to put him close to the top 5 is hard:
1-5:
MJ
Kareem
Bill Russell
Magic
Bird
6-10:
Kobe
Lebron
Wilt
Shaq
Hakeem
From 5-10 it is hard to find a place for him.
I personally have him at 5 or 6. I’m gonna make a top 10 players of all time list during the off-season and I’ll explain why.
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I think from 6-10 it is pretty open.
I'm a rockets fan because of Hakeem so I'm a bit biased. But I can understand having Duncan over him, Kobe, Shaq, and most of all Lebron.
Lebron had more help than Duncan but won less, and in the finals it's 2-1 for Duncan. And a Ray Allen's shot away from being 3-0.
Not having lebron in the top 5 if not even top 2, is complete blasphemy and absurd. There’s no argument other than racism or that you’re a republican old head
😂 😂😂 this list is funny
Having Kobe above Lebron is just tip riding Kobe ….
how are the spurs doing now thay duncan is gone? how is legendary coach pop doing?
Where you going with this? Lol
@@beyondhalfcourt td carried 2nd rounders and a mediocre coach to 5 rings. dude is better than kobe or shaq
Duncan had 3 HOfers and a lot of very good role players How did he n
not have any help?
Please watch the video. Thank you.
@@beyondhalfcourt I did watch the video and he had help
@@christiansoldier77 when people use the term “HOFers” it screams a lack of context. A player being a hall of famer is a career achievement, it has no bearing on how well a player plays in an individual season. None of the hall of famers you’re referring to were very good at the time. David was washed, Manu and tony clearly weren’t stars yet. That team was Tim Duncan and good role players with Tim doing a ridiculous amount of heavy lifting
@@trevb2311 What is a career if not a collection of individual seasons? They were several very good players on the team at that time plus the team defense. Robinson was not a scorer anymore but still averaged a double double that year and took on the primary defensive roll to free up Duncan so he could score. The reason why they beat the Lakers is because the Lakers had a bad roster in comparison to the Spurs. So it wasn't all just about Duncan
@@christiansoldier77 you have no idea what you’re talking lol. David did NOT average a double double and he did NOT take on the primary defensive role to free up Tim. He was primarily used for defense due to his age and the injuries catching up to him. David didn’t just decide he wasn’t going to be more dynamic on offense, his body wouldn’t allow it. In that playoff run tim outscored his 2nd leading scorer by 10 ppg, he was so relied on that he led the team in assists, dominated the glass and was their most important defensive piece. The offense was one of the worst in the league when tim was on the bench. If you stack up the spurs production with 98% of the teams that have won championships you’ll see a noticeable gap in production. There’s aren’t 10 championship runs in history where a player was that relied on in every aspect of what the team needed as tim was that season
Duncan is better than lebron in my books. 2 to 1 in the finals. 2 of those games were in lbj prime and Duncan at 37 38. Also they loss by 1 shot and won 4 to1. He won 5 chips without changing teams. Lebron had the most help in nba history.
Why people don't understand is Duncan sacrifice his stats for wins. He also rest his body instead of padding the stats he he could. Ppl say lebron still average 30 blah blah blah but his record is worse than some tanking teams. Duncan at the same age average a quiet 17 and 10 2 blocks had 60 wins.
Greatness is winning games not padding stats.
Lol
you don’t know ball
2003 Parker did more to give the Spurs (and Duncan) what they needed than Avery Johnson EVER did for David Robinson. That was the first time in franchise history that they ever got that aspect to make them clutch the way they needed. I don’t wanna hear it…2003 was stacked. If all you’re gonna do is go over the stats, then that shows you don’t know Spurs basketball. Oh and Antonio Daniels was one of the main reasons the Spurs never got past the Lakers…the dude was horrible for the team and Duncan woulda never got a ring with him after 1999.
Well granted I was 3 when the 03 spurs played I don’t remember it live but stats and rewatching the games on UA-cam is what i researched to make the video. Sure stats don’t tell the whole story, but there’s one game where it legit took like 4 minutes for the spurs to score and that’s my main gripe is that the spurs defensively were great, but offensively were not good so not only did Duncan have to still provide elite level defense, but he had to dominate on the offensive side of the ball as well because his teammates weren’t helping him on a consistent enough basis.
@@beyondhalfcourt the opponents in 2005 don’t come close to who the spurs put away in 2003.
Ur wrong he had best 3 point shooter NBA history Stephen Jackson Bruce Bowen are elite defenders ..manu great .Robinson blocked shots guarded centers. Great team.
Most of those guys you said were good shooters had a real time actually making them consistently in the playoffs compared to regular season. Defense I can’t complain about from them but that defense was still anchored by TD
@@beyondhalfcourt Steve Kerr one finals game for them hitting 6 3 we. They down 10
@@beyondhalfcourt no Bowen Robinson Jackson were defense
@@beyondhalfcourt I know NBA inside out ..Tim. vs Hakeem..that's equal a edge tim
@@beyondhalfcourt hello the nets scrubs worst finals team ever. Including Iverson's Dunkin shaq competition were scrubs
I like NBA, i like your videos,but i did not like the title. Duncan was the important star player, but every other player of the 2003 spurs give his best to help him . Show Respekt to them
They could I have played better but again, TP was a sophomore, manu was a rookie, and David Robinson was in his last year so I don’t hold it against them that they didn’t play well in the playoffs. I just give more credit for Duncan for being able to still lead that team to a chip despite underperforming key players
This video is flawed as hell. He sounds like someone that just barely watched highlights instead of the actual games. The Spurs had a damn near perfect system. The had the best 2 way player in Duncan. A role player in Robinson who just needed to back up Timmy. Bowen was a two way player able to play defense and shoot 3's. Ginobili, Kerr, and Parker just needed to run the floor and make their free throws. Duncan didn't need to do much to carry the team. This is the thing that people Do not understand. Great teams don't consist of just all star line ups. You can have one super star and a line up of useful role players and that'll carry a team just as good as a super team, if not better. Pop understood this very well and was ahead of his time with this knowledge. That's why he was hell bent on getting Duncan. He was the perfect 2 way player.
Ignorant people: Spurs had a perfect system. Timmy is overrated.
Shaq: the system was Tim.
Bro were you even alive back then spurs had depth and yea those players were old but they had experience and they were not washed
DAVID ROBINSON WASN’T WASHED? LMAO
What do you mean no help Lmfo he got hall of famers bro🤣 tony parker , manu ginobili, even david robinson "the admiral" is there with the depth of steve kerr and 3 pointer Bruce "the bow" bowen 🤣 ..Tim duncan no help? 🤣🤣🤣🤣aw did I forgot Stephen Jackson haha no help..peace bro✌
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He was no Kevin McKale.
WHAT!?!?! LMAO
You’re right. THAT’S BECAUSE HE’S BETTER!
come on in the mid 2000s in playoffs no one score well don't look at the %, just scoring is good the rest doesn't really count.
Iverson was one of purest scrorer of all time but his efficency was shit.
the ending 90's to the mid 2000 are just war
They still underperformed from their own standards. Compared to the regular season, their accuracy from the field all fell dramatically
@@beyondhalfcourt yeah like i said it was in playoffs, they need them not to take this shot but just to be capable to have point the price was not the same.
Lol he did have a mvp season but did have help of course.
And the lakers did them a favor by boicot themselves with al kinds of mistakes
Yea he did have help, just not the help you expect with the names on the roster.
Tim Duncan is definitely greater than lebron