She sounds so familiar! I worked with Jewish people in New York in both Brooklyn and Queens-as a non Jewish person my experience was that in any of the Hasidic businesses the men specifically would not even look at me they would call a woman who would get rid of me as quickly as possible- guess I was not modest enough
Let's stop calling them ultra-Orthodox Jews. They are not ultra-Orthodox Jews. They are heretics that rejected the Tradition of the Judges and the Prophets and took up a new religion in Babylon. It is their heretical interpretation of Mashiach that laid the basis for the Xian abomination.
I am Catholic and was a nun for 12 years. When I decided to leave Religious life my family welcomed me with open arms. I met my husband 3 years after I left and have been married almost 48 years. I thank God that my family was always with me. I am so sorry for all you have been through. By the way, my husband is not Catholic and that was also quite alright with my family.
@@2Ryled I received a Dispensation of my vowels from Rome. I met my husband 3 years later. We married in 1974 and have 2 children & 5 grandchildren. My husband was an MD and practiced for 60 years. He is 90 and I am almost 83. Bill is very ill and is in a nursing home. It is called Horsham Center for Jewish Life .” I use to visit my dear friend’s mom here. I wanted my husband to come here since I always loved this nursing home. I grew up in a Jewish neighborhood and am still friends with some of my neighbors. When I got married at the reception my Jewish neighbors crowned my mom since I was the last to marry. My sister had been married for 4 years before me. My son-in-law is Jewish. I would not of cared if my daughter converted or if my grandkids were reused Jewish. Both Carolyn & Mike are not religious at all. That is ok also. We raised our kids to make their own decisions. God love you. You are a good person.
I know exactly what you mean about the magical time with just you and your children. When my abusive husband left, it was me and my 4 children! I parented the way I wanted! I cooked what I wanted, our schedule was for us! I went back to nursing school. I wasn’t scared anymore. I wasn’t being watched with an angry and critical gaze. I was enough for my children. It was my most productive time in my whole life! It was wonderful.
That sounds too perfect, because I believe a family ideally whether Gay or straight should have two parents, but that's always not the case. So should a single person raising a family feel complete on their own? My mother did it all by her self with 5 kids but we never felt complete despite her personal family successes. If it took 2 to make it then it should take 2 to raise them. But that's my opinion.
I have worked with women in prison for killing their abusers in clear circumstances of self defense. Many of them said they felt safer in prison than with their violent controlling husbands.
I’m now on my own after 33 years of marriage. Just being able to set the thermostat the way I want is the best. He didn’t consider me. So now listening to your story my story isn’t on the same level. I send my love to you.
Good for you. Everyone should live on their own for a bit, just to know they can do it on their own. And explore their own likes and dislikes. And learn to stand up on their own. And not be someone else's doormat. I hope you find everything you want in life.
Chavie is just so lovely 😊 Hers, like many, are hard to listen to, but she has such a genuine sweet way about her. The last question about her family, although a brief mask attempt of laughter, her eyes welled up as she talked about the complicated relationship with her mum. Chavie is another brave escapee, who saved herself and her children. She is a Shero ❤
Chavie is a beautiful woman. Her smile is so lovely and her testimony is amazing. I wish her so much happiness in her marriage. May she be so blessed. She is lovely. So intelligent.
Dear Andrew, thank you so so much! Please know that you are doing extraordinary work on your UA-cam channel. When this remarkable woman, Chavie, lost her children, this reminded me of the pain that Nicole Kidman must have felt when she lost her beloved two children to Tom Cruise and Scientology. Thank you once again, and I look forward to enjoying your channel time and time again!❤️🌹🙏
YES! What SHE said! A refreshingly frank, open and honest with a host who explores interesting aspects of human life, asks great questions and lets his guest answer them without interrupting. Terrific channel, great host!.
Nicole Kidman said she left it up to her kids where they wanted to live, as they were teenagers. She didn’t seem upset that they chose to live with Tom. At least that’s what she said at the time of the divorce
Actually nothing like it but umm ok. You obviously don't know anything about it. No one forces anything and yes many if not most women control the number of children they have with birth control.
@@gothicyidyeah I’m sure all the women being raped in the Kingston clan have control over how many forced pregnancies they endure. You don’t live in every single seperate extremist FLDS cult group, many are truly HORRIBLE and the women have no say in what happens to them and can’t leave
As a hypnotherapist the idea of a ¨professional¨ teaching a client self hypnosis to dissociate during unwanted sex is horrendous. It sickens me to think they found this ethically acceptable. It compounds the trauma.
Jewish men are not allowed under Jewish law to rape their wives. The wife must want it. Not only that but they are legally obligated to sexually please their wives
This was such a great interview! I appreciate the point about focusing on the vulnerable people instead of assuming people are attacking their religion or lineage. It’s got to be tough to walk that line as an interviewer, but you do that with compassion and respect💗
Yes! I have spoken out about what I consider to be a human rights violation and said that being a member of a religion that does said practice is no excuse. I have been accused of bigotry for saying so. It isn't bigotry. A human rights violation is a human rights violation no matter how many generations of your ancestors did it.
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One of the best testimonies I have ever heard. So articulate and honest, thank you. It came up in my UA-cam recommended. I have equivalent experiences in other ways. I have struggled to see the positives about certain things. Feel so inspired now. It's a real gift to hear a positive take on having to find your own truth, aside from being defined by others.
Thank you Andrew for being such an excelsior interviewer! 💗 I learn something new from every person that you interview on your channel. I hope that you have a wonderful weekend.
Chavie is classy. I have seen and semi experienced some of this . I admire her strength, courage, and generosity of spirt. Thanks so much Andrew! God Bless you ,both.
Chavie is not only an intelligent woman, she is brave for speaking out. I really enjoyed listening to her, but also heartfelt for the plight the cult affect has/had on her. My parents weren't religious, but were narcissistic psychopaths and how I broke free of their hold continues to astound me to this day. I feel greatful I'm nothing like them. 💜
It's amazing to hear such a unique perspective from Chavie, her answers to Andrew's questions were never quite what I expected; I've heard so many stories of people leaving ultra-orthodox/fundamentalist cults and there are threads of similarity that ruin through them all, but there was something so raw and real about the way Chavie talks about her experiences. I'm so happy you made it, that you can show your kids who you are, and your world; and that your children are happy, and get the chance to decide what their own futures look like.
Off the drech is such a definition of "us". Pressuring us not to leave because we will loose our children is emotional terrorism. I lost a small child and it almost killed me. He was taken to Israel and I could not get him back. Thank God , you got custody of your children back.
I love how articulate and really pointed she was... it is true ...STOP trying NOT to offend the religious community and put the responsibility back on them!!! They shame the victims for telling their stories and ripping the veil to show what kind of atrocities (mental, physical and spiritual!) are going on. Sometimes you have to summon the courage and TRUE righteousness to advocate for these survivors.
We should also try to stop trying not to offend the Woke community …. Because you should see some horror stories of children who were made to Transition by the adults they trusted, only to REGRET it as they got older!! Now they want to DETRANSITION, but it’s TOO LATE!! So much damage has been done!!
You are the perfect person to comment.....takes one to know one and birds of a feather....the essence is in your name and her story 'creative writing'. These stories are made up of whole cloth. Jaw dropping inaccuracies.....dont you have any self respect so as not to appear so pie in face naive being taken for such a ride!
@@michellelansky4490I didn’t realise you there with her 24/7 for her entire life from birth until finally being free! Tell us what really happened since you lived every second of her own life by her side like a conjoined twin
@@zaiten7653 so you don't think arranged marriages, marital rape and misgendering and dehumanizing (and legalized persecution) of Trans people are atrocious things? Just because they are NOT on the scale of the Holocaust (yet) doesn't mean they're not atrocious. And if you ever studied HOW the Holocaust happened, you'd know how centuries of devaluing one group of people (and then later OTHER groups) allowed the "ultimate" step to occur. In short, your attitude repeated consistently, campaigned vociferously and promulgated violently via polemic and then public policy is what led to it. It didn't happen overnight and certainly not in a vacuum. The greatest atrocities are a summation of "smaller" atrocious actions. So grab your ipad, load Notability and start learning.. you have much to do.
She's a beautiful person, very strong but you can sense the toll it has had on her. And all because she chose to fight for her right to be herself! I'm not a mom but it was scary hearing that her ex is still fighting for custody of her kids and that other people DO lose their kids in these battles. The level of power cults exercise is sick. Wishing her the best!
She couldn’t loose her children now in custody battle two are adults and one is 16 too old to want to live permanent with his father, he was brought up in a different way with his mother and to go to live with the hassidic community could be overwhelmed for the 16 years old , i didn’t hear if they are only boys or if they are girls that could be very different for boys snd girls living in the hassidic community , well i am happy to hear the experiences of this wonderful lady and how she manage to be a stable person where she is living now and to be a good mother, i have learned something with her today ,thank you.
@@mariawest250 She's really tough- I was picturing myself in her place and I'm quite wimpy, so I hope I would fight for my kids like she has. She really is a very special person!
How do you think men feel when divorce happens and most kids end up with the mother? What dies inside and how do they see women from that point on? They are left with the privilege of alimony and and not much more.
@@БелкаиеёжизньDepends how well the fathers actually know their children and how much time they spend with them, which in many ot these communities is very limited. Whereas for the women. Their children are basically their entire life. Also most divorces these days dont even involve alimony.
@@ashthebash66 That's terrible. Chilsren need their father. Unless he is actually dangerous to his children a father should be able to keep being a father. You can divorce and stop being a husband but you will always be their father and children need their father to love and guide them.
She is a sick jewish woman that unfortunately has lost her way in Judaism it no being strong it being weak being strong is being connected to God NOT I REPEAT NOT RUNNING AWAY FROM JUDAISM AND GOD IM GLAD THAT HE MARRIED AND MOVED ON.
@@Rochelle1986 you are wrong. God loves everybody. Faith is measured by love and dignity not by your comments stupid human. Stay away from dogma you will be next. HaShem is coming after you.
@@Rochelle1986 Many prophesies of Torah and Tanak foretold of the Coming of YESHUA, Messiah (Jesus Christ). Here are 2 of my favourites: (Isaiah 9:6-7). “For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, 👉Mighty God, 👉Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. “ Daniel 7:13-14 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man (Messiah), coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the 👉Ancient of Days (YHWH) and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; 👉all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.” Please read the Gospel and tell me if you feel that this was a Cult? Jesus came to your people FIRST. He is your MESSIAH. Please do some research on this topic .
What has she 'been through'? Most tmof the narratives told are all whole cloth FALSE and creative......do you feel bad for what Harry Potter has 'been through'?
I gotta say I'm shocked that people could lose their children over this. Shocked. Also, I call BS to ppl who don't support their kids just because they have different beliefs. You can still absolutely love and support your child even IF you have different personal beliefs. Do you "out" your friends over different beliefs? To do this to your own children is deeply upsetting to me. Ive heard ppl saying they're doing the more loving thing. I call BS. My heart goes out to her. I know this would definitely be the very worst pain imaginable. Best to her. She's adorable.
@@marisa941 Exactly. It's the #1 gaslight. Look at Palestine. Complete genocide, that's gone on for decades, and no one can say a thing....or else... "You're anti semitic!".
Thank you for sharing this with us. I was raised in a cult in Oregon believing my dad was Jesus, the Messiah and have just left this faith in the last 6 months after finding out there are other people around the world claiming to be Jesus. I have allowed myself to be educated on cults and see my family and church indeed fit all the cult definitions. Losing my family has been devastating and these common stories are so helpful. Thank you
I’m glad you escaped. Please take care of yourself and continue to prioritize your wellbeing! Out of curiosity, what cult was this? I’m also from Oregon and know several people from school who were part of cult like groups but never learned much about those groups.
What a phenomenal interview, amazing guest, intelligent, well balanced and insightful. I wish her the best and thank you Andrew for bringing her to us 🤗
Such an awesome interview- thank you to both of you for giving us an insight into what other people have experienced especially when they have had to live by religious beliefs whether good or bad for them- we can’t think everyone’s experiences of life are as we experience, and channels like yours opens our eyes and minds that we don’t all have similar lives 🥰👍🏻🇦🇺
@@gothicyid Many prophesies of Torah and Tanak foretold of the Coming of YESHUA, Messiah (Jesus Christ). Here are some my favourites: (Isaiah 9:6-7). “For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, 👉Mighty God, 👉Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. “ Daniel 7:13-14 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man (Messiah), coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the 👉Ancient of Days (YHWH) and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; 👉all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.” Hosea 6:1-2 : crucifixion and Resurrection of the Messiah ““Come, let us return to the Lord. He has torn us to pieces but he will heal us; he has injured us but he will bind up our wounds. 👉After two days he will revive us; on the 👉third day he will restore us, (RESURRECTION) that we may live in his presence.” 👉 King David prophesy about the crucifixion of Messiah (Psalm 22:16-18 ): “Dogs have surrounded me; a band of evil men has encircled me, they have pierced my hands and my feet. I can count all my bones; people stare and gloat over me. They divide my garments among them and cast lots for my clothing.” Please read the Gospel and tell me if you feel that this was a Cult? Jesus (YESHUA) came to YOUR people FIRST. He is your MESSIAH. Please do some research on this topic .
I don’t think she wants you to pray for her considering she is a victim of extreme religious trauma. Have some tact! You can have positive thoughts for her but to pray for her without her consent is quite literally enforcing a religious ritual on her which she fought so incredibly hard to run away from. Use your brain before resorting to prayer for every emotion you have especially when it’s regarding OTHER people you don’t know.
@@Zimzum93 , I agree this human suffered from HUMAN CONTROL. As you must believe praying doesn’t help because you must think there is no loving God, I am sad for you.
@@Zimzum93 What’s your problem? You don’t believe in GOD?? What’s Wrong with you? This lady has left a Jewish Sect-Cult. Did she SAY she was ATHEIST? Did she SAY she no longer believes in God? How do you “Send positive vibes” my dear? 😅😅. Do you send them by Fax, email or zoom ? How will she RECEIVE these positive vibes? In the way of Money? Honey or A big C*ck ? 😈 STOP trying to REPLACE Prayer with “sending positive vibes BS!” Some New Age spiritual stuff you got there? If you want to be an Atheist, then be an Atheist and stop with that nonsense. And if you want to know about extreme Atheist Trauma, go visit the poor people of China and North Korea with your “positive vibes”, okay?
A highly intelligent and articulate person with a self-awareness that few others are capable of attaining. I am uplifted by the beautiful humanity of this person.
Thank you so much Fr! My mother was a shopper and hoarder and when both my parents died a year apart they left me a houseful of religious objects amongst other things. I'm down to 3 remaining boxes and these have been sitting there for nearly 2 years as I've been at a loss as to how I can dispose of them, especially when they also include objects from a house of prayer that doesn't have church approval here in Ireland. Please God now I will be able to finally rid myself of this burden. God bless you Fr 🙏🙏🙏
@@Woodman-Spare-that-tree selling blessed items is not allowed. I'd also be very wary of donating them to anyone who I didn't know to be a practicing Catholic for fear they'd fall into hands with evil intent.
I’m not Catholic but I collect religious objects from all different religions as I’m a history nerd and religious history is one of my favourite topics. I would love sooo much to own a genuine church pew from a 18th or 19th century church one day. But yeah, would you not even donate them to a history museum or a religious studies department of a university or even someone like me who is entirely non-religious in any way but collects these items for history purposes?
Wait, wait, wait. You are expected to be the bread winner, and manage and run the household, and be the primary parent?? What do the men do then? I thought the whole trade off on men being the ones with the additional privileges was at least they have financial responsibility. Do they just study the Torah all day and expect to be fed and allowed access to their wives?
That threw me for a loop as well. I didnt realize hassidic women had to be the bread winners. That’s like 3 full time jobs (salaried job, child rearing, and homemaking i mean)
Many ultra Orthodox women work, many don't. Usually, it's a choice u make personally. The average woman who is working is either choosing to support the learning, kollel lifestyle that she and her husband want or its to bring in more money to cover expenses, or just to get a break from the housewife chores. It's not a forced thing and even those who work to support the husband's learning, many many stop when the family gets too big and the woman's responsibilities are overwhelming her and the family and the man takes over shouldering the financial burden.
No, women are not the bread-winners. If they choose to marry Torah scholars, and that is a choice that women make, then they do have a job on the side, they don't have careers, just jobs secretaries, teachers, etc. Scholars bring in money that their kollel (where they learn) pays them. But if the wife wants to stop working the husband starts working. No one is forced to do anything, neither marry Torah scholars (they can marry working men) nor working after they have a child or two.
Wow! This is all I have right now...going to process this amazing interview! Thank you. This was both painful and fascinating. Bless you both and all of her children!
@@AndrewGold1 I presume this is Julia Haart of My Unorthodox Life? Whilst I’m not minimising her experience at all, it’s important to note that she was never a member of the Hasidic community. She was part of the larger orthodox community (perhaps yeshivish) but not the Hasidic community. The differences are vast.
@@AndrewGold1 Yes, your interview with Julia is also better than most. You are the best interviewer. You ask great questions and you let the guest answer them without interrupting or re-casting their answers. You are the perfect interview host.
My late husband became religious in Emunas Yisroel and we (I am a Hispanic Giyores) we're incredibly welcomed. People were actually refreshingly honest and open. When my husband passed away they took me in. They paid my bills, helped me with my newborn twins and truly loved me. I used to sit in shul next to your grandmother. Your father taught my husband at Ohr Somayach. When I was married we honored your father by including his name on our bentcher. When I became widowed, your mother consoled me as another widow can only console. I had such an incredible experience with this community. I'm so sad you had this experience. As someone who came from a very secular society, finding Judaism and specifically EY was life changing. Specifically, the loving and respectful relationship between your grandmother and grandfather. He wouldn't go anywhere without her. He was so respectful to her. I came from a world where men treated women like meat not like queens. It was so special to see. I thank your grandparents and parents for so much. You look just like your mother.
Well said! I can't even watch these people. The lies they tell are so painful to hear. If they wouldnt create such slander the absurdity would almost be funny. Why would they want to throw their entire families under the bus. Something is wrong with them....and the amount of creativity involved in creating such a narrative is Hollywood worthy.....or is that actually what theyre after....the 'Hollywood worthy'.
@@michellelansky4490 But is it Fair to dismiss her Experience though? Because her experience is one of many girls from stricter households who are of marrying age and who marry a man who is not of their choosing? Theirs was a loveless marriage void of passion ? As a woman , you yourself will know that it’s not easy to turn us on when the man is undesirable or when he is not skilled in the bedroom? It makes the act of S E X very painful and traumatic…. Maybe if her first husband had taken more time to get to know her? To show her affection ? To develop a bond, before engaging in seksual Union? Not easy to give yourself to a complete stranger , especially one who is not interested in helping you to open up?
@@michellelansky4490 I think YHWH created Adam and HAWA to be Soulmates AND Lovers together. Why do you think that Romantic novels, movies and stories are popular with people of all ages, especially the Female species? I think when you have such a small community of people, like in Chavis case, there are not many options of eligible men that she would be attractive to, on both a physical or emotional level. The connection has to be Both. But even if they weren’t matched, some EFFORT on his part would’ve been good. Maybe these types of Communities tend to Focus more on the extra-biblical, Talmudic Laws, rather than simply on the Torah. This is the very Reason your Messiah, YESHUA HA MASSIACH, was unpopular with the Jewish Pharisees of his time? Because he was trying to explain to them that they were going over and above what was necessary? Yeshua ha MASSIACH was saying that we shouldn’t Take Away from the Torah Law, but equally so, we shouldn’t ADD ONTO it either. Talmudic rabbis tend to go full on with the minuscule details, and so they miss the bigger picture. Do you know what a Messianic J ew is? Have you heard of a channel called “One for Israel”?
@@morticiagomez6166 so i didnt listen to the entire interview bec i saw where it was going right away. When you see so so so much outright falsehood involved in the story its difficult to give the personal experiences that go along with the story any respect or credibility. Could she have been involved with a family of dysfunction...yes i agree....but she paints in on everybody and drizzles if with total FALSEHOOD throughout....i think the biggest part is that she became lesbian and wasnt accepted so she became enraged and decided to throw EVERYBODY under the bus. The story she paints is just not realistic or in any way reflect huge majority AT ALL.
2/3rds of Chavie's children are far too old for the "father" to get "custody" of them. Moreover, he basically abandoned them initially. It's a very sick aspect of this sort of cultish sect that parents are forced to constantly fight for their kids, not because the cult parent wants them, but because the cult wants them.
It's not about the children.. it's about destroying HER. In doing so, she could shine a light on what's going on in the community and name names. So the longer this goes on the more they can weaponize the children against her and create the imbalance to prove she's unfit. Money is power.. there's always a dark side to religion.. yet they'll play victim if this comes out.
The "fathers" trying to get custody is often untrue.These "fathers" are revved up by leaders in the chassidic sects and leaders of the communities who get enraged and aldo fear that a woman should go free and perhaps expose some parts of the communities that others will criticise.They blackmail mothers by threatening the kids will be taken away.Usually the community will have big money raising events to 'help the father' get the kids bc religion is above all. Its happened in every ultra orthodox community. Yes,it IS evil. They are wonderful communities to grow up in if you toe the line,if you start thinking for yourself it becomes a prison. Btw it's not just chassidic communities,the Ultra Orthodox Litvish communities are the same.
I'd love to hear about that. I got involved in a cultish group after highschool. I was escaping a traumatic event that had happened. Undoing that bad theology has taken a lifetime.
My mom was raised Pentecostal. I've been struggling to understand my mom... maybe I need to look more into what that childhood is like. Thank you for your comment.
The fact her ex husband ABANDONED his kids at first helps her so much and I cannot believe the court is still letting him fight this,🖕🏼to the court and her ex!!! It’s absolutely disgusting!!! She’s already won because she was the bigger person, she escaped and she is leading the life she wants. So proud of her. ❤❤❤ and I’m an LBGTQ+ ally and always will be and so proud of you for living your authentic self! ❤
The chasidic community got smarter now. Now when a chasidic women wants to divorce I the community thinks the mother might be at risk for leaving the community, they pressure the father to spend time with the kids even if he isn't interested or capable, and even if the community knows that it is not good for the children to be with their father. Then they blame the mother and tell her that its her fault because she left her husband. Had she stayed with him, she would have been able to take care of the children. Imagine how damaging that I to the children! Chavie focuses on how she was hurt when she lost costudy. Little children are extremely vulnerable and they helpless and dependent on adults. When the community is aware that the children are unsafe with the father, they just cover up for him so that the mother cannot win costudy.
I am orthodox Jewish woman living and thriving in the " cult" that Chavie describes. Chavie has been through alot and i feel sorry for her. Unlike her most of us are living very fullfiling happy free lives. We don't feel limited, nor squashed... Our men are good to us , and don't force us in any way. The simplicity and Insulation allows for more family time, connection and living in the moment. Clarifying for those that feel " bad for us" or think we're living in harsh conditions. Thank you
@@kailygutman6023 That's not the whole truth tho is it? Ever wondered why so many of ours are going off ....? And when they do,do you know the shame stigma and ostracization that so many families go through? Suddenly no one will marry the siblings,the parents are dying inside...its not as happy clappy as you pretend.Lying about our human,imperfect communities is not a kiddish hashem! We have serious issues and if we don't face them they only get worse.
I thank you for your view. It is horrible to label women who thrive in a traditional marriage as weak and vulnerable. I am Christian, not fundamentalist, yet I am traditional, and I do not feel weak. I do feel sorry that she had a bad experience, but I think it is wrong to allow her feelings to judge others for their beliefs.
What an amazing woman! I could listen for several more hours of her telling her story, so well spoken and non judgmental, even though the trauma she gone true ❤ I really respect the way she talks about religion and don't judge others that partake in different religions but see the difference between a healthy relationship with a religion and extremism ♥️ I myself have never practiced any religion but I'm very fascinated in all religions as a interesting topic, but I have never lived in a religious home, even though my sons father is from the Muslim community and I'm born in Sweden so true that I'm living in a somewhat Christian religious country, but most Swedish people are not practicing Christianity, and our government and the church are separate so we do have completely religious freedom, that I personally really enjoy but I see that it also can be difficult for many people! It is a really complicated topic Thank you Andrew for yet another great episode 🙏🏻
Having been born in Queens and raised in NY I enjoyed the familiarity of Chavie's accent. It soon occurred to me that being in an isolated community impedes one of the things that makes me love NY. I could bring a new friend home to meet with three close friends from school, and my friend would notice we each have a different accent, even if we grew up in the same borough. My Puerto Rican friend sounds different from my Jewish friend. They both sound different than my Italian friend, and I sound different from all of them. I love that. I was very lucky, and I'll be careful not to take it for granted. Chavie would have been prevented from becoming close to people that live a few blocks, a subway station, or a bus stop away if they had a different background. That's almost like growing up in a completely different NY altogether.
Very impressed by her ability to see the reasons and different layers of why and see the good and not just bad in people and situations. She tells a story in the most respectful way it's possible to also share her story. Beautiful heart and insight to her. She made situations she had to change, the best she could. If people could be able to put themselves in others shoes, like she does, and even if she had to divorce because of how difficult it is to live in such a situation, she was betrayed, but still she is so aware ,she understands why and how few could actually go through something like that and still not bash the other(s) like bad people, she tells it ,but in the best way. This is a trustworthy person with insights and empathy who if you are her friend and gets in a disagreement, one gets hurt , it wasn't intentional and she won't go and add fuel and try to get others to hate you , she'll probably tell her closest what happened, but in a respectful way , explaining both sides without adding, like so many unfortunately do. Just hear how people hear something about someone they don't agree with, and suddenly they make videos telling everyone how no good, that person is. All the other layers of that person and good things about them , doesn't matter and not where they're coming from ,even how tragic or pressured they are , still they are suddenly just trash and the more that agree, the better. This is how cancel culture has become and too many people are talking about people who they feel let them down or for small or valid big reasons. I like people who can see layers of situations from both sides and see the situation is tragic and people react in a way she wouldn't and think is wrong and is wrong, but she's still able to tell it and explain the different sides and also share what was good and not try to kill someone s character, but tell it dignified and still tell how it was difficult. It has to have been much harder than she tells it,but we can understand how hard it must have been. If poleticians and people in power had her ability to see the layers and try to make better solutions, it would have been less people suffering and less anger and hostility. I understand after her experience it's difficult to believe in God, but I hope she..you try Jesus, because he is real ( I know it's hard to believe, I just feel I have to mention it) But it's very easy to understand why your religion didn't seem Godly and it's difficult to believe in God when so much hasn't come from how God would have wanted for you. You need to heal your traumas and I believe Jesus knows everything and also how religion has caused you much suffering and unfairness. It's understandable difficult for you to believe there is a real living good God. Jesus has cried seing what you and your kids has gone through. I believe that . I understand why you don't, but I hope you heal and give him a "call " later , because he doesn't care about religion, just a personal relationship with you when you're alone and you seek him and don't think about prayers , just talk to him as if he was your trusted kindest best friend, a hero and teacher and comforter who only wants the best for you and yours and the world and everyone in it. But we have to seek him , share thoughts, worries and thank him for whats good and the more we listen to him , talk and ask for him and guidance, he'll reveal himself . When you get confirmations, you'll understand he's real. Ask for dreams and the Holy Spirit and learn how to ( Troy Black, is an amazing teacher and listen to those who met Jesus in Near death experiences, full of them on UA-cam,Randy Kay, forexample have guests telling) anyway, I say only because I hope the best for you ❤. But respect your choice to believe or not ,and now I understand it's probably the last on your mind, but just remember Jesus is real and will help your life even more, even if it's hard to believe, especially after your life experience. Sorry if I seem like a fanatic, I m not, just human,just finding out more of life and gone through a bunch of things, just discovering a few important things now, but have a far way to go before I'm where I need to be. Thank you for sharing much of what you experienced and I like so many sides I see in you. So much you have understood and you have so much good in you and many good values. Already you're more God like than many religious people. No one is perfect, but you have come further than most even Christians,and Jewish religious people and all kinds of religions.,because of your heart and sides I see you have, so rare in the world today, unfortunately. Wish you and yours well. 🙏 :) ❤🤲❤
**sidebar** Chavie could be a model. She has a beauty that is not of the conventional cookie-cutter style, but very unique, identifiable and magnetic. I couldn't tear my eyes away as she spoke. She also seems really humble, so this type of compliment would no doubt sit uncomfortably with her. If so, I apologize.
@ceebee2447 I totally agree with you. She's so beautiful and I can't stop watching and listening to her. She's facinating to look at and that's coming from a woman.
The one thing I can't shake in the custody story is that since Chavie was the one that was taking care of the family affairs in her marriage; I'm almost 100% sure that when their father had their custody, he "dumped" them on his new wife, who now had both her own and her step children to take care of.
Great interview; she is lovely -tough, bright, articulate and a true momma bear. You are a gifted interviewer; a natural. Looking forward to more of your work.
Chabad is known as a more open minded chasdidic ultra orthodox community to the degree that some satmar don’t consider our butchered meat kosher. And would only eat it if they were dying of starvation. These rifts are slowly falling away the past twenty years or so.
I've often wondered if Rebbes from other sects, were jealous of Schneerson, hence the "taint"...as well as Chabad's more open attitudes to BT's. Any thoughts?
Chavie has impressed me so much. I am a teacher in Virginia. I have taught history and Catholic Church history for over 30 years. I have left the Catholic Church because of some of the same reasons you have separated from your extremist Jewish experiences. I admire how knowledgeable about extremism vs. just Judaist extremism. I try to bring to my now public school students an open view of the world and your story will become part of my background knowledge when questions of religion do arise. I appreciate how delicate you were not to offend believers while asserting your truths. Thank you for your bravery.
As a Jewish woman I’ve always intensely disliked Hasidic sects in how they treat woman. Saying this I grew up in a non-religious family and my mother pushed my 2 sisters and myself to get an education so that we could get good jobs only after being married and the husband being deceased. Crazy! I wanted a career and my own home before I ever wanted to get married and this is what I did. Independence! Excellent interview Andrew…..Lovely woman, good luck for the future. 🍀
I am so happy that she was able to get her children back. I know the pain and frustration of losing custody... She's a beautiful lady and I wish her all thee luck in the future.
Fundamentalism is Fundamentalism is Fundamentalism- so true! Every religion that has a Fundamentalist branch has the same fears and bigotry, the same misogyny, the same power directed in negative ways towards the most vulnerable. The focus should absolutely be on shining light on the darkness and helping the victims! She is so strong- such an inspiration!❤
You think the Atheists of China, North Korea and former Soviet Union are pro-Womens rights???? Huh huh huh! Think Again, Dudette. Ps. Are you pro-Abortion? You do realise this is baby sacrifice right?
@@morticiagomez6166 never heard of it. However. If they are organized, and they have their own form of a belief system regarding things spiritual, might that not be considered a type of religion? And if fundamentalist, it proves my point about fundamentalist thinking. I will check it out!
@@sharondowling8896 Ask yourself WHY western education does not focus on the ATROCITIES of Militant ATHEISM of the East? All we hear about day in and day out is the Far Right atrocities of the Nazi party and Hitler. Yes, they were BAD. But the FAR LEFT of Russia , China and North Korea killled and tortured 100 times MORE PEOPLE. Why do they NOT teach us more about Far Left problems?? At the SAME TIME, they are pushing ATHEISTIC Ideologies in our Schools and Colleges- pushing their Pseudoscience BELIEFS on us about Big Bang Cosmic MIRACLES and Darwinian Evolution…..? WHY? It’s ALL a Big PUSH against YHWH, our Creator. It’s a SPIRITUAL WARFARE and they are using it against the children from a young age. We are heading more and more towards Far Left ideologies and towards FUN DA MENTAL ATHEISM …. And many people are None the Wiser!
Having affairs at summer camp, getting engaged, going back to summer camp. This is the basic denial of reality that I have faced in childhood when forced to accept things I distrusted so my mind just told the story as if the event wasn’t happening, it was something else. I totally understand this form of thinking. It is difficult not to be able to trust anyone because your mind has been manipulated to not perceive the real world: and it takes sooo much time to unravel the real world from the acceptable story.
@@elishevarosenfed96there is nothing to be confused about she explained it ag the very start when he asked if she was a lesbian. Open your ears. She explained it very well
A bit off topic here but I want to say Chavie has an infectious smile, crystal clear voice and a lively personality which makes this video a pleasure to watch!
The main reason the individual loses custody is because the community basically surrounds the parent still in. The legal system feels that if anything happens the community will take care of them.
what a good example of non-judgmental and empathic living Chavie is to her children. Despite all the pain and difficulties she has been through, instead of showing animosity she does not condemn these religious people. While at the same time helping others who have chosen their own way to distance themselves from a closed belief system.
Chavie, I am so glad that you were able to get out of that marriage & that sect & most importantly that you were able to get your children back. I have added you to my intercessory prayer list, of which I pray over daily. May our Father in Heaven bless you abundantly more than you can possibly ask or think & keep you in His loving care 🙏🏼❤️🙏🏼
I came across a video Chavie made a few years ago, and it’s so amazing to see how far she has come and how much she has grown into the person she was always meant to be. I have so much respect for someone who can go through everything she has, yet still acknowledge the positive experiences she had within that life. That takes a strong person!
Brave girl! Bad things are happening within every community regardless of religion, however, the more orthodox the community is the greater the level of abuse because no one questions anything and abusers are protected by members of that particular group. I'm always happy to see people freeing themselves from abusive environment.
You would think so. But the levels of sexual abuse aren't higher in these communities from the little research that has been done on the communities that protect sexual abusers. So, while I would say on a basic level knowing you will be shunned if you break ranks is abusive in and of itself, it doesn't seem to lead to higher levels of what we think of as abuse in other contexts.
Andrew, you bring to us such interesting people, they have quite extraordinary experiences, I would like to thank them all, for having the courage to share their stories. A big thank you Andrew..
I loved this interview, and I loved this woman. Her honesty, and her strength were/ are amazing. She speaks and lives her truth, and that is so difficult to do no matter who you are or what your religion is. I would love to see a follow up interview with her!
Bravo to Chavie! 👏 I love her openness and the fact that she pushed through all the road blocks that presented themselves throughout her life's journey, whilst still staying true to herself, and coming out on the other side with integrity, resilience, and a better sense of self. She deserves a Humanitarian Award! We applaud you Chavie for being a great example of a human being! 👏
Cheers Andrew. Chavie has such an interesting story, and thankfully a happy ending to share with us, despite her arduous journey out of the community. What a surprise she is now engaged to a man; I should think that makes Chavie's mum happy, or at the very least somewhat "relieved". I wish you would have asked about that part! It would have been interesting to learn if Chavie had the time to explore in any depth any more serious relationships with women as well. It can often be rather difficult for bisexuals, even within the LGBT or queer community: I wonder if some of Chavie's new allies found it difficult, or disappointing that she found herself in another relationship with a bloke? I think these are all good possibilities for follow-up questions if you have Chavie back, as I'm sure I'm not the only gay person wondering these things! A sheynem dank to Chavie for sharing her story.
@@AndrewGold1 You're welcome Andrew! ...and no need to change your format; a follow-up would just be a nice idea for many of your guests in a similar experience charting new waters.
My heart breaks for the children who are so sheltered and unprepared to ever live outside of this community if they ever chose to. Keeps them corralled for sure.
Another wonderful episode!Andrew, I love your UA-cam channel!❤ Your content is awesome and your approach refreshing! You are truly a special person! The amount of research you put into each episode is evident! The sincere empathy and professionalism you display should be the bar for all journalists! I love that you clearly care about what you present by actively and objectively engaging with and listening to your guest(s). Keep up the great work! Cheers from Canada ~ Christina 🤍💚😊
At 3:22 no, nobody's thoughts are "better" than yours particularly on this topic. You lived it. Thank you so much for sharing! You have a ton of love and support!
I fully support Chavie's choice to leave and live as she wants to, but her story is incoherent in one way: She believes in her right as a parent to be herself and raise her children according to her own values, truth and ideology. But then she criticizes her own parents for doing the exact same thing "to" her. If her parents are guilty of "brainwashing" her with "their" views, then she's guilty of the same thing because she has embraced western Feminist and gender ideology. Those are instructive worldviews with beliefs and absolutes exactly the same as a religious world view. She feels the father's religion would have "harmed" her kids. Okay. But he believes that her ideology will "harm" his kids. So...?? She's literally doing the exact same thing that she's criticizing but in a different reality. There is no fact that she's "right" and what she left is "wrong." It's all opinion and culture... so essentially she's arrogant. "I will control how my kids are raised and what they are exposed to, but it's wrong when my parents did it." Hypocrite.
Excellent program. Chavie is so coherent. I was born into a secular Jewish home and lived in a completely secular Jewish community, so I was in my 30s before I studied Judaism and Hebrew in earnest; and in my 40s I did my master's thesis on Jewish themes. While I appreciate our history and grew up amidst Holocaust survivors and their children, the attitudes of religious men and women towards women in general offends me mightily. If I were Chavie, I don't think I'd be so forgiving.
25:33 I’m with her 100% I wish people would stop policing you and your language, and just freely speak to your knowledge and not to focus on protecting the few.
Have you had this kind of experience with religion?
No I just hate it
Great interview Andrew.
She sounds so familiar! I worked with Jewish people in New York in both Brooklyn and Queens-as a non Jewish person my experience was that in any of the Hasidic businesses the men specifically would not even look at me they would call a woman who would get rid of me as quickly as possible- guess I was not modest enough
Let's stop calling them ultra-Orthodox Jews. They are not ultra-Orthodox Jews. They are heretics that rejected the Tradition of the Judges and the Prophets and took up a new religion in Babylon. It is their heretical interpretation of Mashiach that laid the basis for the Xian abomination.
God is a lie the truth is in the the oldest text in the world. Sumerian text! religion is man made to divide the people .
I am Catholic and was a nun for 12 years. When I decided to leave Religious life my family welcomed me with open arms. I met my husband 3 years after I left and have been married almost 48 years. I thank God that my family was always with me. I am so sorry for all you have been through. By the way, my husband is not Catholic and that was also quite alright with my family.
Wonderful! My Irish Catholic born great grandmother married my Church of Scotland grandfather in 1885. Both families accepted and loved them.
That is so cool, we have phases in our life.
Was he Jewish? Did you go liberal?
How did you get out after 12yrs? I can't imagine they would be happy.
@@2Ryled I received a Dispensation of my vowels from Rome. I met my husband 3 years later. We married in 1974 and have 2 children & 5 grandchildren. My husband was an MD and practiced for 60 years. He is 90 and I am almost 83.
Bill is very ill and is in a nursing home. It is called Horsham Center for Jewish Life .” I use to visit my dear friend’s mom here. I wanted my husband to come here since I always loved this nursing home.
I grew up in a Jewish neighborhood and am still friends with some of my neighbors.
When I got married at the reception my Jewish neighbors crowned my mom since I was the last to marry. My sister had been married for 4 years before me.
My son-in-law is Jewish. I would not of cared if my daughter converted or if my grandkids were reused Jewish.
Both Carolyn & Mike are not religious at all. That is ok also. We raised our kids to make their own decisions.
God love you. You are a good person.
I know exactly what you mean about the magical time with just you and your children. When my abusive husband left, it was me and my 4 children! I parented the way I wanted! I cooked what I wanted, our schedule was for us! I went back to nursing school. I wasn’t scared anymore. I wasn’t being watched with an angry and critical gaze. I was enough for my children. It was my most productive time in my whole life! It was wonderful.
I'm so happy for you and your children that you got free of the abusive ex!
That sounds too perfect, because I believe a family ideally whether Gay or straight should have two parents, but that's always not the case. So should a single person raising a family feel complete on their own? My mother did it all by her self with 5 kids but we never felt complete despite her personal family successes. If it took 2 to make it then it should take 2 to raise them. But that's my opinion.
I have worked with women in prison for killing their abusers in clear circumstances of self defense. Many of them said they felt safer in prison than with their violent controlling husbands.
This terror is how so many women & children live with the man in the home.
What a remarkable and intelligent woman she is, I could listen to her for hours. God bless her!
Yes, definite.. i did.. realisten it.. she got stuff to tell.
I’m surprised that your use of the word “God” didn’t inspire a blast of atheist hate on here?
I’m now on my own after 33 years of marriage. Just being able to set the thermostat the way I want is the best. He didn’t consider me. So now listening to your story my story isn’t on the same level. I send my love to you.
Boy you had it rough, go girl with that thermostat
@@ashthebash66 to be honest, it wasn’t just the thermostat. But that was easiest to put it in here in the comments.
Good for you. Everyone should live on their own for a bit, just to know they can do it on their own. And explore their own likes and dislikes. And learn to stand up on their own. And not be someone else's doormat. I hope you find everything you want in life.
Bless you. Enjoy your life. ❤
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Chavie is just so lovely 😊 Hers, like many, are hard to listen to, but she has such a genuine sweet way about her. The last question about her family, although a brief mask attempt of laughter, her eyes welled up as she talked about the complicated relationship with her mum. Chavie is another brave escapee, who saved herself and her children. She is a Shero ❤
Chavie is a beautiful woman. Her smile is so lovely and her testimony is amazing. I wish her so much happiness in her marriage. May she be so blessed. She is lovely. So intelligent.
Dear Andrew, thank you so so much! Please know that you are doing extraordinary work on your UA-cam channel. When this remarkable woman, Chavie, lost her children, this reminded me of the pain that Nicole Kidman must have felt when she lost her beloved two children to Tom Cruise and Scientology. Thank you once again, and I look forward to enjoying your channel time and time again!❤️🌹🙏
Maralyn Farber. Very different actually!!
YES! What SHE said! A refreshingly frank, open and honest with a host who explores interesting aspects of human life, asks great questions and lets his guest answer them without interrupting. Terrific channel, great host!.
Nicole Kidman said she left it up to her kids where they wanted to live, as they were teenagers. She didn’t seem upset that they chose to live with Tom. At least that’s what she said at the time of the divorce
I'm at the procreation part and the FLDS popped into my head, Andrew. She is so open and honest. Love this lady
yes the different hasidic groups are quite like the family groups of the FLDS
First thing I started thinkabout Flds
Actually nothing like it but umm ok. You obviously don't know anything about it. No one forces anything and yes many if not most women control the number of children they have with birth control.
Rochelle. You seem to be one who is brain washed. Do you need help?
@@gothicyidyeah I’m sure all the women being raped in the Kingston clan have control over how many forced pregnancies they endure.
You don’t live in every single seperate extremist FLDS cult group, many are truly HORRIBLE and the women have no say in what happens to them and can’t leave
She’s a powerhouse, and a delight. Appreciate the authentic empathy shown by you, Andrew.
Great and honest interview! Such a brave woman. Another good one Andrew.
As a hypnotherapist the idea of a ¨professional¨ teaching a client self hypnosis to dissociate during unwanted sex is horrendous. It sickens me to think they found this ethically acceptable. It compounds the trauma.
Unwanted sex is rape. No therapist should be encouraging women to stay silent about it! Unbelievable😡
Jewish men are not allowed under Jewish law to rape their wives. The wife must want it. Not only that but they are legally obligated to sexually please their wives
I believe many therapists still pitch the “ go along to get along” notion to couples whose frequency is mismatched.
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How is this ultra-Liberalism she spouses now not a form of hypnotism too? How does it differ from indoctrination?
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U have the best guests - I enjoyed this interview and would love to spend time with Chavie - she’s so interesting and very genuine
This was such a great interview! I appreciate the point about focusing on the vulnerable people instead of assuming people are attacking their religion or lineage. It’s got to be tough to walk that line as an interviewer, but you do that with compassion and respect💗
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One of the best testimonies I have ever heard. So articulate and honest, thank you. It came up in my UA-cam recommended. I have equivalent experiences in other ways. I have struggled to see the positives about certain things. Feel so inspired now. It's a real gift to hear a positive take on having to find your own truth, aside from being defined by others.
Thank you Andrew for being such an excelsior interviewer! 💗 I learn something new from every person that you interview on your channel. I hope that you have a wonderful weekend.
Glad you enjoyed it! You too Sarah!
Chavie is classy. I have seen and semi experienced some of this . I admire her strength, courage, and generosity of spirt. Thanks so much Andrew! God Bless you ,both.
Chavie is such a healing speaker. It would be wonderful for her to host a podcast. She is an eloquent respectful teacher.
Chavie is not only an intelligent woman, she is brave for speaking out. I really enjoyed listening to her, but also heartfelt for the plight the cult affect has/had on her.
My parents weren't religious, but were narcissistic psychopaths and how I broke free of their hold continues to astound me to this day. I feel greatful I'm nothing like them. 💜
It's amazing to hear such a unique perspective from Chavie, her answers to Andrew's questions were never quite what I expected; I've heard so many stories of people leaving ultra-orthodox/fundamentalist cults and there are threads of similarity that ruin through them all, but there was something so raw and real about the way Chavie talks about her experiences.
I'm so happy you made it, that you can show your kids who you are, and your world; and that your children are happy, and get the chance to decide what their own futures look like.
Another amazing interview! I adore and admire how lovely she seems and so smart!! I really enjoyed listening to how she told her story!! ❤️
Off the drech is such a definition of "us". Pressuring us not to leave because we will loose our children is emotional terrorism. I lost a small child and it almost killed me. He was taken to Israel and I could not get him back. Thank God , you got custody of your children back.
What an outrage!
I am so sorry you experienced such a horrific injustice!
My heart goes out you ~ I hope one day you can be reunited with your child
This is not Gods love.
My heart breaks for you.
I love how articulate and really pointed she was... it is true ...STOP trying NOT to offend the religious community and put the responsibility back on them!!! They shame the victims for telling their stories and ripping the veil to show what kind of atrocities (mental, physical and spiritual!) are going on. Sometimes you have to summon the courage and TRUE righteousness to advocate for these survivors.
We should also try to stop trying not to offend the Woke community …. Because you should see some horror stories of children who were made to Transition by the adults they trusted, only to REGRET it as they got older!!
Now they want to DETRANSITION, but it’s TOO LATE!! So much damage has been done!!
You are the perfect person to comment.....takes one to know one and birds of a feather....the essence is in your name and her story 'creative writing'. These stories are made up of whole cloth. Jaw dropping inaccuracies.....dont you have any self respect so as not to appear so pie in face naive being taken for such a ride!
@@michellelansky4490I didn’t realise you there with her 24/7 for her entire life from birth until finally being free! Tell us what really happened since you lived every second of her own life by her side like a conjoined twin
I remember when “atrocities” referred to gas chambers, later it was arranged marriage, and now misgendering.
@@zaiten7653 so you don't think arranged marriages, marital rape and misgendering and dehumanizing (and legalized persecution) of Trans people are atrocious things? Just because they are NOT on the scale of the Holocaust (yet) doesn't mean they're not atrocious. And if you ever studied HOW the Holocaust happened, you'd know how centuries of devaluing one group of people (and then later OTHER groups) allowed the "ultimate" step to occur. In short, your attitude repeated consistently, campaigned vociferously and promulgated violently via polemic and then public policy is what led to it. It didn't happen overnight and certainly not in a vacuum. The greatest atrocities are a summation of "smaller" atrocious actions. So grab your ipad, load Notability and start learning.. you have much to do.
I love listening to this lady. Great interview!
Thank you for speaking up, I feel seen and represented.
She's a beautiful person, very strong but you can sense the toll it has had on her. And all because she chose to fight for her right to be herself! I'm not a mom but it was scary hearing that her ex is still fighting for custody of her kids and that other people DO lose their kids in these battles. The level of power cults exercise is sick. Wishing her the best!
Yes snd w the financial backing of an entire cult of extremists.
Congratulation get marry be happy and free
She couldn’t loose her children now in custody battle two are adults and one is 16 too old to want to live permanent with his father, he was brought up in a different way with his mother and to go to live with the hassidic community could be overwhelmed for the 16 years old , i didn’t hear if they are only boys or if they are girls that could be very different for boys snd girls living in the hassidic community , well i am happy to hear the experiences of this wonderful lady and how she manage to be a stable person where she is living now and to be a good mother, i have learned something with her today ,thank you.
@@mariawest250 She's really tough- I was picturing myself in her place and I'm quite wimpy, so I hope I would fight for my kids like she has. She really is a very special person!
There’s a corrupt judge involved, as well.
What a wonderful person.
Being so full of love when you went through so much pain is pretty amazing.
Yes, she's extraordinary. So full of love, and wisdom.
Excellent interview
Thank you
Wishing her & her kids healing
So heartbreaking what so many women endure 😢
No matter how we mother's lose our children, the pains is Unbelievable. It nearly killed me. The quiet time is the noisiest time.
How do you think men feel when divorce happens and most kids end up with the mother? What dies inside and how do they see women from that point on? They are left with the privilege of alimony and and not much more.
@@Белкаиеёжизньyou took the words out of my mouth
@@Белкаиеёжизнь Your error is over-generalizing about women. That is called prejudice.
@@БелкаиеёжизньDepends how well the fathers actually know their children and how much time they spend with them, which in many ot these communities is very limited. Whereas for the women. Their children are basically their entire life. Also most divorces these days dont even involve alimony.
@@ashthebash66 That's terrible. Chilsren need their father. Unless he is actually dangerous to his children a father should be able to keep being a father. You can divorce and stop being a husband but you will always be their father and children need their father to love and guide them.
What a strong woman she has become. I wouldn't want one second of what she's been through.
She is a sick jewish woman that unfortunately has lost her way in Judaism it no being strong it being weak being strong is being connected to God NOT I REPEAT NOT RUNNING AWAY FROM JUDAISM AND GOD IM GLAD THAT HE MARRIED AND MOVED ON.
@@Rochelle1986 you are wrong. God loves everybody. Faith is measured by love and dignity not by your comments stupid human. Stay away from dogma you will be next. HaShem is coming after you.
@@Rochelle1986 Oof, you seem awful.
@@Rochelle1986 Many prophesies of Torah and Tanak foretold of the Coming of YESHUA, Messiah (Jesus Christ).
Here are 2 of my favourites:
(Isaiah 9:6-7). “For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, 👉Mighty God, 👉Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. “
Daniel 7:13-14
“In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man (Messiah), coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the 👉Ancient of Days (YHWH) and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; 👉all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.”
Please read the Gospel and tell me if you feel that this was a Cult? Jesus came to your people FIRST. He is your MESSIAH. Please do some research on this topic .
What has she 'been through'? Most tmof the narratives told are all whole cloth FALSE and creative......do you feel bad for what Harry Potter has 'been through'?
I gotta say I'm shocked that people could lose their children over this. Shocked.
Also, I call BS to ppl who don't support their kids just because they have different beliefs. You can still absolutely love and support your child even IF you have different personal beliefs.
Do you "out" your friends over different beliefs? To do this to your own children is deeply upsetting to me.
Ive heard ppl saying they're doing the more loving thing. I call BS.
My heart goes out to her. I know this would definitely be the very worst pain imaginable. Best to her. She's adorable.
This is why Hasidism is absolutely a cult.
@nartarlyiatremaynne1239 cheers. :)
You can’t say anything or you are antisemitic
@@marisa941 Exactly. It's the #1 gaslight. Look at Palestine. Complete genocide, that's gone on for decades, and no one can say a thing....or else... "You're anti semitic!".
That just depends on the parents. Most chassiidic parents do not disown their kids when they leave
Thank you for sharing this with us. I was raised in a cult in Oregon believing my dad was Jesus, the Messiah and have just left this faith in the last 6 months after finding out there are other people around the world claiming to be Jesus. I have allowed myself to be educated on cults and see my family and church indeed fit all the cult definitions. Losing my family has been devastating and these common stories are so helpful. Thank you
Blessings and healing to you. Please consider placing your hand on your heart and giving yourself love and really good and loving selfcare. ❤
I’m glad you escaped. Please take care of yourself and continue to prioritize your wellbeing! Out of curiosity, what cult was this? I’m also from Oregon and know several people from school who were part of cult like groups but never learned much about those groups.
What a phenomenal interview, amazing guest, intelligent, well balanced and insightful. I wish her the best and thank you Andrew for bringing her to us 🤗
Good on Chavie for telling her story and helping others going through this! It takes a lot of courage
Such an awesome interview- thank you to both of you for giving us an insight into what other people have experienced especially when they have had to live by religious beliefs whether good or bad for them- we can’t think everyone’s experiences of life are as we experience, and channels like yours opens our eyes and minds that we don’t all have similar lives 🥰👍🏻🇦🇺
Blessings on this smart, strong mother! I’m a childless, old, Protestant woman. I will pray for her.
Please don't.
@@gothicyid Many prophesies of Torah and Tanak foretold of the Coming of YESHUA, Messiah (Jesus Christ).
Here are some my favourites:
(Isaiah 9:6-7). “For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, 👉Mighty God, 👉Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. “
Daniel 7:13-14
“In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man (Messiah), coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the 👉Ancient of Days (YHWH) and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; 👉all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.”
Hosea 6:1-2 : crucifixion and Resurrection of the Messiah
““Come, let us return to the Lord.
He has torn us to pieces
but he will heal us;
he has injured us
but he will bind up our wounds.
👉After two days he will revive us;
on the 👉third day he will restore us, (RESURRECTION)
that we may live in his presence.”
👉 King David prophesy about the crucifixion of Messiah (Psalm 22:16-18 ): “Dogs have surrounded me; a band of evil men has encircled me, they have pierced my hands and my feet. I can count all my bones; people stare and gloat over me. They divide my garments among them and cast lots for my clothing.”
Please read the Gospel and tell me if you feel that this was a Cult? Jesus (YESHUA) came to YOUR people FIRST. He is your MESSIAH. Please do some research on this topic .
I don’t think she wants you to pray for her considering she is a victim of extreme religious trauma. Have some tact! You can have positive thoughts for her but to pray for her without her consent is quite literally enforcing a religious ritual on her which she fought so incredibly hard to run away from. Use your brain before resorting to prayer for every emotion you have especially when it’s regarding OTHER people you don’t know.
@@Zimzum93 , I agree this human suffered from HUMAN CONTROL. As you must believe praying doesn’t help because you must think there is no loving God, I am sad for you.
@@Zimzum93 What’s your problem?
You don’t believe in GOD?? What’s Wrong with you? This lady has left a Jewish Sect-Cult. Did she SAY she was ATHEIST? Did she SAY she no longer believes in God?
How do you “Send positive vibes” my dear? 😅😅. Do you send them by Fax, email or zoom ? How will she RECEIVE these positive vibes? In the way of Money? Honey or A big C*ck ? 😈
STOP trying to REPLACE Prayer with “sending positive vibes BS!” Some New Age spiritual stuff you got there?
If you want to be an Atheist, then be an Atheist and stop with that nonsense.
And if you want to know about extreme Atheist Trauma, go visit the poor people of China and North Korea with your “positive vibes”, okay?
A highly intelligent and articulate person with a self-awareness that few others are capable of attaining. I am uplifted by the beautiful humanity of this person.
Thank you so much Fr! My mother was a shopper and hoarder and when both my parents died a year apart they left me a houseful of religious objects amongst other things. I'm down to 3 remaining boxes and these have been sitting there for nearly 2 years as I've been at a loss as to how I can dispose of them, especially when they also include objects from a house of prayer that doesn't have church approval here in Ireland. Please God now I will be able to finally rid myself of this burden. God bless you Fr 🙏🙏🙏
Ebay is your friend.
@@Woodman-Spare-that-tree selling blessed items is not allowed. I'd also be very wary of donating them to anyone who I didn't know to be a practicing Catholic for fear they'd fall into hands with evil intent.
I’m not Catholic but I collect religious objects from all different religions as I’m a history nerd and religious history is one of my favourite topics. I would love sooo much to own a genuine church pew from a 18th or 19th century church one day. But yeah, would you not even donate them to a history museum or a religious studies department of a university or even someone like me who is entirely non-religious in any way but collects these items for history purposes?
Wait, wait, wait. You are expected to be the bread winner, and manage and run the household, and be the primary parent?? What do the men do then? I thought the whole trade off on men being the ones with the additional privileges was at least they have financial responsibility. Do they just study the Torah all day and expect to be fed and allowed access to their wives?
Yes. A seriously patriarchal system, right?
Exactly right.
That threw me for a loop as well. I didnt realize hassidic women had to be the bread winners. That’s like 3 full time jobs (salaried job, child rearing, and homemaking i mean)
Many ultra Orthodox women work, many don't. Usually, it's a choice u make personally. The average woman who is working is either choosing to support the learning, kollel lifestyle that she and her husband want or its to bring in more money to cover expenses, or just to get a break from the housewife chores. It's not a forced thing and even those who work to support the husband's learning, many many stop when the family gets too big and the woman's responsibilities are overwhelming her and the family and the man takes over shouldering the financial burden.
No, women are not the bread-winners. If they choose to marry Torah scholars, and that is a choice that women make, then they do have a job on the side, they don't have careers, just jobs secretaries, teachers, etc. Scholars bring in money that their kollel (where they learn) pays them. But if the wife wants to stop working the husband starts working. No one is forced to do anything, neither marry Torah scholars (they can marry working men) nor working after they have a child or two.
I really enjoyed her testimony and find her strength amazing.
Wow! This is all I have right now...going to process this amazing interview! Thank you. This was both painful and fascinating. Bless you both and all of her children!
Glad you enjoyed it! Give it a re-watch to process :) I have another ex-hasidic called Julia Haart on soon.
20,18,16 are the children ls ages. The 20 y/o should be off the table.
The 18 y/o shouldn't be an issue passed graduation date. This is absurd
@@AndrewGold1 she's a good bull shitter. I watched her and it's 100 percent fake.
@@AndrewGold1 I presume this is Julia Haart of My Unorthodox Life? Whilst I’m not minimising her experience at all, it’s important to note that she was never a member of the Hasidic community. She was part of the larger orthodox community (perhaps yeshivish) but not the Hasidic community. The differences are vast.
@@AndrewGold1 Yes, your interview with Julia is also better than most. You are the best interviewer. You ask great questions and you let the guest answer them without interrupting or re-casting their answers. You are the perfect interview host.
My late husband became religious in Emunas Yisroel and we (I am a Hispanic Giyores) we're incredibly welcomed. People were actually refreshingly honest and open. When my husband passed away they took me in. They paid my bills, helped me with my newborn twins and truly loved me. I used to sit in shul next to your grandmother. Your father taught my husband at Ohr Somayach. When I was married we honored your father by including his name on our bentcher. When I became widowed, your mother consoled me as another widow can only console. I had such an incredible experience with this community. I'm so sad you had this experience. As someone who came from a very secular society, finding Judaism and specifically EY was life changing. Specifically, the loving and respectful relationship between your grandmother and grandfather. He wouldn't go anywhere without her. He was so respectful to her. I came from a world where men treated women like meat not like queens. It was so special to see. I thank your grandparents and parents for so much. You look just like your mother.
Wow!!
Well said! I can't even watch these people. The lies they tell are so painful to hear. If they wouldnt create such slander the absurdity would almost be funny. Why would they want to throw their entire families under the bus. Something is wrong with them....and the amount of creativity involved in creating such a narrative is Hollywood worthy.....or is that actually what theyre after....the 'Hollywood worthy'.
@@michellelansky4490 But is it Fair to dismiss her Experience though? Because her experience is one of many girls from stricter households who are of marrying age and who marry a man who is not of their choosing? Theirs was a loveless marriage void of passion ? As a woman , you yourself will know that it’s not easy to turn us on when the man is undesirable or when he is not skilled in the bedroom? It makes the act of
S E X very painful and traumatic….
Maybe if her first husband had taken more time to get to know her? To show her affection ? To develop a bond, before engaging in seksual Union?
Not easy to give yourself to a complete stranger , especially one who is not interested in helping you to open up?
@@michellelansky4490 I think YHWH created Adam and HAWA to be Soulmates AND Lovers together. Why do you think that Romantic novels, movies and stories are popular with people of all ages, especially the Female species?
I think when you have such a small community of people, like in Chavis case, there are not many options of eligible men that she would be attractive to, on both a physical or emotional level. The connection has to be Both.
But even if they weren’t matched, some EFFORT on his part would’ve been good.
Maybe these types of Communities tend to Focus more on the extra-biblical, Talmudic Laws, rather than simply on the Torah.
This is the very Reason your Messiah, YESHUA HA MASSIACH, was unpopular with the Jewish Pharisees of his time? Because he was trying to explain to them that they were going over and above what was necessary?
Yeshua ha MASSIACH was saying that we shouldn’t Take Away from the Torah Law, but equally so, we shouldn’t ADD ONTO it either. Talmudic rabbis tend to go full on with the minuscule details, and so they miss the bigger picture.
Do you know what a Messianic J ew is? Have you heard of a channel called “One for Israel”?
@@morticiagomez6166 so i didnt listen to the entire interview bec i saw where it was going right away. When you see so so so much outright falsehood involved in the story its difficult to give the personal experiences that go along with the story any respect or credibility. Could she have been involved with a family of dysfunction...yes i agree....but she paints in on everybody and drizzles if with total FALSEHOOD throughout....i think the biggest part is that she became lesbian and wasnt accepted so she became enraged and decided to throw EVERYBODY under the bus. The story she paints is just not realistic or in any way reflect huge majority AT ALL.
Wonderful interview, thanks!
Thanks for listening
A lovely, together lady. So well done for travelling that tormented path to where you have gotten now. All the very best to you and your family :)
Thank you so much!
What a very deep but real needy chat. Amazing on the edge. Thank you!
I am glad she got her kids back.
Thank you for representing us Chavie.
2/3rds of Chavie's children are far too old for the "father" to get "custody" of them. Moreover, he basically abandoned them initially. It's a very sick aspect of this sort of cultish sect that parents are forced to constantly fight for their kids, not because the cult parent wants them, but because the cult wants them.
Good point.
They were 5, 7, and 9 when she lost custody. They are 16, 18, and 20 now.
It's not about the children.. it's about destroying HER. In doing so, she could shine a light on what's going on in the community and name names. So the longer this goes on the more they can weaponize the children against her and create the imbalance to prove she's unfit. Money is power.. there's always a dark side to religion.. yet they'll play victim if this comes out.
The "fathers" trying to get custody is often untrue.These "fathers" are revved up by leaders in the chassidic sects and leaders of the communities who get enraged and aldo fear that a woman should go free and perhaps expose some parts of the communities that others will criticise.They blackmail mothers by threatening the kids will be taken away.Usually the community will have big money raising events to 'help the father' get the kids bc religion is above all.
Its happened in every ultra orthodox community.
Yes,it IS evil.
They are wonderful communities to grow up in if you toe the line,if you start thinking for yourself it becomes a prison.
Btw it's not just chassidic communities,the Ultra Orthodox Litvish communities are the same.
@@dianacryer hybrid u u i
Yes. I was raised in a Pentecostal household. Grandfather, Aunt and a cousin were ministers. What a picnic. An yes I'm in therapy
I'd love to hear about that. I got involved in a cultish group after highschool. I was escaping a traumatic event that had happened. Undoing that bad theology has taken a lifetime.
My mom was raised Pentecostal. I've been struggling to understand my mom... maybe I need to look more into what that childhood is like. Thank you for your comment.
@@michellemooresings I've been watching Andrew, Arron Smith-Levin an a few of the other channels on exposing scientology. Its the same.
My father grew up in Pentacostal home too. He hated it. It messed him up. Magickal thinking was a big thing.
Did your family deviate from the simple gospel into some kind of weirdness? Trying to understand.
The fact her ex husband ABANDONED his kids at first helps her so much and I cannot believe the court is still letting him fight this,🖕🏼to the court and her ex!!! It’s absolutely disgusting!!! She’s already won because she was the bigger person, she escaped and she is leading the life she wants. So proud of her. ❤❤❤ and I’m an LBGTQ+ ally and always will be and so proud of you for living your authentic self! ❤
The chasidic community got smarter now. Now when a chasidic women wants to divorce I the community thinks the mother might be at risk for leaving the community, they pressure the father to spend time with the kids even if he isn't interested or capable, and even if the community knows that it is not good for the children to be with their father. Then they blame the mother and tell her that its her fault because she left her husband. Had she stayed with him, she would have been able to take care of the children. Imagine how damaging that I to the children! Chavie focuses on how she was hurt when she lost costudy. Little children are extremely vulnerable and they helpless and dependent on adults. When the community is aware that the children are unsafe with the father, they just cover up for him so that the mother cannot win costudy.
You cannot believe that the courts in the U.S. are filled with malfeasance. You are as insular as the Emunah.
Chavie is very thoughtful, fair and intelligent. Excellent interview, thank you for your frankness so that we learn and gain in wisdom about others.
I am orthodox Jewish woman living and thriving in the " cult" that Chavie describes. Chavie has been through alot and i feel sorry for her. Unlike her most of us are living very fullfiling happy free lives. We don't feel limited, nor squashed...
Our men are good to us , and don't force us in any way. The simplicity and Insulation allows for more family time, connection and living in the moment. Clarifying for those that feel " bad for us" or think we're living in harsh conditions.
Thank you
Thanks Kaily! Are you able to leave? Would the rest of the community look down on that?
If I'd feel held hostage I'd be able to. Would my family be sad. Yes perhaps...
But i wouldn't be tortured. My bro is not religious and we love him.
@@kailygutman6023 That's not the whole truth tho is it? Ever wondered why so many of ours are going off ....? And when they do,do you know the shame stigma and ostracization that so many families go through? Suddenly no one will marry the siblings,the parents are dying inside...its not as happy clappy as you pretend.Lying about our human,imperfect communities is not a kiddish hashem! We have serious issues and if we don't face them they only get worse.
Kaily love that you commented what you did❤
I thank you for your view. It is horrible to label women who thrive in a traditional marriage as weak and vulnerable. I am Christian, not fundamentalist, yet I am traditional, and I do not feel weak. I do feel sorry that she had a bad experience, but I think it is wrong to allow her feelings to judge others for their beliefs.
What an amazing woman! I could listen for several more hours of her telling her story, so well spoken and non judgmental, even though the trauma she gone true ❤ I really respect the way she talks about religion and don't judge others that partake in different religions but see the difference between a healthy relationship with a religion and extremism ♥️ I myself have never practiced any religion but I'm very fascinated in all religions as a interesting topic, but I have never lived in a religious home, even though my sons father is from the Muslim community and I'm born in Sweden so true that I'm living in a somewhat Christian religious country, but most Swedish people are not practicing Christianity, and our government and the church are separate so we do have completely religious freedom, that I personally really enjoy but I see that it also can be difficult for many people! It is a really complicated topic
Thank you Andrew for yet another great episode 🙏🏻
It's nice to hear your story and perspective from Sweden. Greetings from California.
Having been born in Queens and raised in NY I enjoyed the familiarity of Chavie's accent. It soon occurred to me that being in an isolated community impedes one of the things that makes me love NY. I could bring a new friend home to meet with three close friends from school, and my friend would notice we each have a different accent, even if we grew up in the same borough. My Puerto Rican friend sounds different from my Jewish friend. They both sound different than my Italian friend, and I sound different from all of them. I love that. I was very lucky, and I'll be careful not to take it for granted. Chavie would have been prevented from becoming close to people that live a few blocks, a subway station, or a bus stop away if they had a different background. That's almost like growing up in a completely different NY altogether.
Very impressed by her ability to see the reasons and different layers of why and see the good and not just bad in people and situations. She tells a story in the most respectful way it's possible to also share her story. Beautiful heart and insight to her. She made situations she had to change, the best she could. If people could be able to put themselves in others shoes, like she does, and even if she had to divorce because of how difficult it is to live in such a situation, she was betrayed, but still she is so aware ,she understands why and how few could actually go through something like that and still not bash the other(s) like bad people, she tells it ,but in the best way. This is a trustworthy person with insights and empathy who if you are her friend and gets in a disagreement, one gets hurt , it wasn't intentional and she won't go and add fuel and try to get others to hate you , she'll probably tell her closest what happened, but in a respectful way , explaining both sides without adding, like so many unfortunately do. Just hear how people hear something about someone they don't agree with, and suddenly they make videos telling everyone how no good, that person is. All the other layers of that person and good things about them , doesn't matter and not where they're coming from ,even how tragic or pressured they are , still they are suddenly just trash and the more that agree, the better. This is how cancel culture has become and too many people are talking about people who they feel let them down or for small or valid big reasons. I like people who can see layers of situations from both sides and see the situation is tragic and people react in a way she wouldn't and think is wrong and is wrong, but she's still able to tell it and explain the different sides and also share what was good and not try to kill someone s character, but tell it dignified and still tell how it was difficult. It has to have been much harder than she tells it,but we can understand how hard it must have been. If poleticians and people in power had her ability to see the layers and try to make better solutions, it would have been less people suffering and less anger and hostility.
I understand after her experience it's difficult to believe in God, but I hope she..you try Jesus, because he is real ( I know it's hard to believe, I just feel I have to mention it) But it's very easy to understand why your religion didn't seem Godly and it's difficult to believe in God when so much hasn't come from how God would have wanted for you. You need to heal your traumas and I believe Jesus knows everything and also how religion has caused you much suffering and unfairness. It's understandable difficult for you to believe there is a real living good God. Jesus has cried seing what you and your kids has gone through. I believe that . I understand why you don't, but I hope you heal and give him a "call " later , because he doesn't care about religion, just a personal relationship with you when you're alone and you seek him and don't think about prayers , just talk to him as if he was your trusted kindest best friend, a hero and teacher and comforter who only wants the best for you and yours and the world and everyone in it. But we have to seek him , share thoughts, worries and thank him for whats good and the more we listen to him , talk and ask for him and guidance, he'll reveal himself . When you get confirmations, you'll understand he's real. Ask for dreams and the Holy Spirit and learn how to ( Troy Black, is an amazing teacher and listen to those who met Jesus in Near death experiences, full of them on UA-cam,Randy Kay, forexample have guests telling) anyway, I say only because I hope the best for you ❤. But respect your choice to believe or not ,and now I understand it's probably the last on your mind, but just remember Jesus is real and will help your life even more, even if it's hard to believe, especially after your life experience. Sorry if I seem like a fanatic, I m not, just human,just finding out more of life and gone through a bunch of things, just discovering a few important things now, but have a far way to go before I'm where I need to be. Thank you for sharing much of what you experienced and I like so many sides I see in you. So much you have understood and you have so much good in you and many good values. Already you're more God like than many religious people. No one is perfect, but you have come further than most even Christians,and Jewish religious people and all kinds of religions.,because of your heart and sides I see you have, so rare in the world today, unfortunately. Wish you and yours well. 🙏 :)
❤🤲❤
**sidebar** Chavie could be a model. She has a beauty that is not of the conventional cookie-cutter style, but very unique, identifiable and magnetic. I couldn't tear my eyes away as she spoke. She also seems really humble, so this type of compliment would no doubt sit uncomfortably with her. If so, I apologize.
@ceebee2447 I totally agree with you. She's so beautiful and I can't stop watching and listening to her. She's facinating to look at and that's coming from a woman.
I think a part of her beauty is her obvious intelligence.
*blushing*
She's just beautiful. Her intelligence, strength and articulation are super attractive. As a bisexual woman, I think she's bloody gorgeous!
The one thing I can't shake in the custody story is that since Chavie was the one that was taking care of the family affairs in her marriage; I'm almost 100% sure that when their father had their custody, he "dumped" them on his new wife, who now had both her own and her step children to take care of.
That's usually what men do, even non religious ones.
Thank you for another very interesting interview!
Thanks for listening
Great interview; she is lovely -tough, bright, articulate and a true momma bear. You are a gifted interviewer; a natural. Looking forward to more of your work.
Wonderful episode. Thoughtful and insightful, difficult subject delivered with such warmth from you both.
Many thanks
Thabk you Chavie for being courageous and speaking out and always being supportive for myself and the general OTD community
Horrible custody rules. Scary! Such a brave woman 😘
They all say they don’t know English but they all speak it immaculately and all with the same accent
Chabad is known as a more open minded chasdidic ultra orthodox community to the degree that some satmar don’t consider our butchered meat kosher. And would only eat it if they were dying of starvation. These rifts are slowly falling away the past twenty years or so.
I've often wondered if Rebbes from other sects, were jealous of Schneerson, hence the "taint"...as well as Chabad's more open attitudes to BT's. Any thoughts?
Chavie has impressed me so much. I am a teacher in Virginia. I have taught history and Catholic Church history for over 30 years. I have left the Catholic Church because of some of the same reasons you have separated from your extremist Jewish experiences. I admire how knowledgeable about extremism vs. just Judaist extremism. I try to bring to my now public school students an open view of the world and your story will become part of my background knowledge when questions of religion do arise. I appreciate how delicate you were not to offend believers while asserting your truths. Thank you for your bravery.
As a Jewish woman I’ve always intensely disliked Hasidic sects in how they treat woman. Saying this I grew up in a non-religious family and my mother pushed my 2 sisters and myself to get an education so that we could get good jobs only after being married and the husband being deceased. Crazy! I wanted a career and my own home before I ever wanted to get married and this is what I did. Independence!
Excellent interview Andrew…..Lovely woman, good luck for the future. 🍀
It was so great to listen to this. I was so impressed that Chavie spoke so well and without rancor--she has a pure heart, I think. God bless her.
I am so happy that she was able to get her children back. I know the pain and frustration of losing custody... She's a beautiful lady and I wish her all thee luck in the future.
Fundamentalism is Fundamentalism is Fundamentalism- so true! Every religion that has a Fundamentalist branch has the same fears and bigotry, the same misogyny, the same power directed in negative ways towards the most vulnerable. The focus should absolutely be on shining light on the darkness and helping the victims! She is so strong- such an inspiration!❤
Just religion?? What about Atheism??
Ever heard of Fundamental/Militant Atheism?
Research it please!!!
You think the Atheists of China, North Korea and former Soviet Union are pro-Womens rights???? Huh huh huh!
Think Again, Dudette.
Ps. Are you pro-Abortion? You do realise this is baby sacrifice right?
@@morticiagomez6166 never heard of it. However. If they are organized, and they have their own form of a belief system regarding things spiritual, might that not be considered a type of religion? And if fundamentalist, it proves my point about fundamentalist thinking. I will check it out!
@@sharondowling8896 Ask yourself WHY western education does not focus on the ATROCITIES of Militant ATHEISM of the East? All we hear about day in and day out is the Far Right atrocities of the Nazi party and Hitler. Yes, they were BAD. But the FAR LEFT of Russia , China and North Korea killled and tortured 100 times MORE PEOPLE.
Why do they NOT teach us more about Far Left problems??
At the SAME TIME, they are pushing ATHEISTIC Ideologies in our Schools and Colleges- pushing their Pseudoscience BELIEFS on us about Big Bang Cosmic MIRACLES and Darwinian Evolution…..?
WHY?
It’s ALL a Big PUSH against YHWH, our Creator. It’s a SPIRITUAL WARFARE and they are using it against the children from a young age.
We are heading more and more towards Far Left ideologies and towards FUN DA MENTAL ATHEISM …. And many people are None the Wiser!
@@morticiagomez6166fundamental atheism does not even exist hahaha it’s a made up thing that Christians made up to make people scared of atheists
What a brave and wonderful young woman to have followed her heart and never given up. Thank you for sharing your story.
Go Chavie, go Chavie go go go!! Excellent interview. Much love to you.
Having affairs at summer camp, getting engaged, going back to summer camp. This is the basic denial of reality that I have faced in childhood when forced to accept things I distrusted so my mind just told the story as if the event wasn’t happening, it was something else. I totally understand this form of thinking. It is difficult not to be able to trust anyone because your mind has been manipulated to not perceive the real world: and it takes sooo much time to unravel the real world from the acceptable story.
Right : is she a Lesbian or not ? I’m so confused
@@elishevarosenfed96there is nothing to be confused about she explained it ag the very start when he asked if she was a lesbian. Open your ears. She explained it very well
A bit off topic here but I want to say Chavie has an infectious smile, crystal clear voice and a lively personality which makes this video a pleasure to watch!
Incredibly fascinating interview! Much love from the beautiful Arkansas River Valley 💞
Wonderful interview! 👏🏻💗
The main reason the individual loses custody is because the community basically surrounds the parent still in. The legal system feels that if anything happens the community will take care of them.
She’s so strong and so irrepressible. I’m just amazed. 💜
what a good example of non-judgmental and empathic living Chavie is to her children. Despite all the pain and difficulties she has been through, instead of showing animosity she does not condemn these religious people. While at the same time helping others who have chosen their own way to distance themselves from a closed belief system.
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What an\ wonderful interview. Chavie, you are strong and wonderful, I really enjoyed listening to you and learning about your experience. Keep going!
Chavie, I am so glad that you were able to get out of that marriage & that sect & most importantly that you were able to get your children back.
I have added you to my intercessory prayer list, of which I pray over daily. May our Father in Heaven bless you abundantly more than you can possibly ask or think & keep you in His loving care 🙏🏼❤️🙏🏼
I came across a video Chavie made a few years ago, and it’s so amazing to see how far she has come and how much she has grown into the person she was always meant to be. I have so much respect for someone who can go through everything she has, yet still acknowledge the positive experiences she had within that life. That takes a strong person!
I am struck by her strength and wisdom. Hard won wisdom but she is so intelligent and very strong in her convictions. Inspirational.
Brave girl! Bad things are happening within every community regardless of religion, however, the more orthodox the community is the greater the level of abuse because no one questions anything and abusers are protected by members of that particular group. I'm always happy to see people freeing themselves from abusive environment.
You would think so. But the levels of sexual abuse aren't higher in these communities from the little research that has been done on the communities that protect sexual abusers. So, while I would say on a basic level knowing you will be shunned if you break ranks is abusive in and of itself, it doesn't seem to lead to higher levels of what we think of as abuse in other contexts.
Andrew, you bring to us such interesting people, they have quite extraordinary experiences, I would like to thank them all, for having the courage to share their stories. A big thank you Andrew..
What an incredibly brave woman, wishing her well for the future. Thanks for sharing.
I loved this interview, and I loved this woman. Her honesty, and her strength were/ are amazing. She speaks and lives her truth, and that is so difficult to do no matter who you are or what your religion is. I would love to see a follow up interview with her!
WHAT a wonderful, strong woman. I wish her the most beautiful life in the future, she deserves it
Bravo to Chavie! 👏 I love her openness and the fact that she pushed through all the road blocks that presented themselves throughout her life's journey, whilst still staying true to herself, and coming out on the other side with integrity, resilience, and a better sense of self. She deserves a Humanitarian Award! We applaud you Chavie for being a great example of a human being! 👏
Cheers Andrew. Chavie has such an interesting story, and thankfully a happy ending to share with us, despite her arduous journey out of the community. What a surprise she is now engaged to a man; I should think that makes Chavie's mum happy, or at the very least somewhat "relieved". I wish you would have asked about that part! It would have been interesting to learn if Chavie had the time to explore in any depth any more serious relationships with women as well. It can often be rather difficult for bisexuals, even within the LGBT or queer community: I wonder if some of Chavie's new allies found it difficult, or disappointing that she found herself in another relationship with a bloke? I think these are all good possibilities for follow-up questions if you have Chavie back, as I'm sure I'm not the only gay person wondering these things! A sheynem dank to Chavie for sharing her story.
I do sometimes wish I did longer episodes! But time, money...one day perhaps. Thanks Edward!
@@AndrewGold1 You're welcome Andrew! ...and no need to change your format; a follow-up would just be a nice idea for many of your guests in a similar experience charting new waters.
I love how opinionated Chavie is. Keep being you, you’re a force for good ❤
My heart breaks for the children who are so sheltered and unprepared to ever live outside of this community if they ever chose to. Keeps them corralled for sure.
Another wonderful episode!Andrew, I love your UA-cam channel!❤ Your content is awesome and your approach refreshing! You are truly a special person! The amount of research you put into each episode is evident! The sincere empathy and professionalism you display should be the bar for all journalists! I love that you clearly care about what you present by actively and objectively engaging with and listening to your guest(s). Keep up the great work! Cheers from Canada ~ Christina 🤍💚😊
Nice people, both of you. I really enjoyed this conversation. So many people do so much talking without saying anything.
Fascinating content. Very eye opening. Chavie is such a strong woman and a fantastic representative for her community
At 3:22 no, nobody's thoughts are "better" than yours particularly on this topic. You lived it. Thank you so much for sharing! You have a ton of love and support!
I fully support Chavie's choice to leave and live as she wants to, but her story is incoherent in one way: She believes in her right as a parent to be herself and raise her children according to her own values, truth and ideology. But then she criticizes her own parents for doing the exact same thing "to" her. If her parents are guilty of "brainwashing" her with "their" views, then she's guilty of the same thing because she has embraced western Feminist and gender ideology. Those are instructive worldviews with beliefs and absolutes exactly the same as a religious world view. She feels the father's religion would have "harmed" her kids. Okay. But he believes that her ideology will "harm" his kids. So...?? She's literally doing the exact same thing that she's criticizing but in a different reality. There is no fact that she's "right" and what she left is "wrong." It's all opinion and culture... so essentially she's arrogant. "I will control how my kids are raised and what they are exposed to, but it's wrong when my parents did it." Hypocrite.
What a beautiful and strong woman. I wish her nothing but love and joy for her future.
Excellent program. Chavie is so coherent. I was born into a secular Jewish home and lived in a completely secular Jewish community, so I was in my 30s before I studied Judaism and Hebrew in earnest; and in my 40s I did my master's thesis on Jewish themes. While I appreciate our history and grew up amidst Holocaust survivors and their children, the attitudes of religious men and women towards women in general offends me mightily. If I were Chavie, I don't think I'd be so forgiving.
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Brave courageous woman.
To thine own self be true.
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25:33 I’m with her 100% I wish people would stop policing you and your language, and just freely speak to your knowledge and not to focus on protecting the few.