@@unclerhombus I have searched for years and have not found so much as a shred of him playing. Absolutely nothing. Not saying he is a scam, but c’mon man. Not even a three second lick on a pad showing Incredible technique to verify you can “ teach” Neil Peart a few things???
@@WD5035 I once saw a brief video clip of Gruber playing drums. Can't find it anymore though. Some other dude on Reddit I believe said he saw a video too. Probably the same clip. He played pretty good & jazzy but I wasn't blown away. But one clip doesn't tell the whole story, especially so late in his life. I'll go with the expert drummers of note that he helped improve. In Neil Peart's case I think it was an interesting evolution: Peart went from power matched grip, to traditional grip under Gruber and lost some of his attack and intensity. Some people didn't like the new way Peart played and it was legit criticism. However, when he finally did switch back to matched grip, I believe his timing, control and smoothness was better. He just seemed more polished and sounded more "mature" to me as a result of better technique. He also studied a bit with Erskine too I believe. Just my two cents. I always like Peart's playing though, especially his compositions.
The best advice I heard in a long time. The kind of thing everybody knows but keeps forgeting, being "technical" but truly being mechanical. Music is feeling, great video.
Stephen Croes ; Stephen you are absolutely correct he obviously never Studied with FRED! But for those of us who DID Study with FRED GRUBER and who stuck with it that’s the secret here The key operative word Here, he made real players out of all of us! And we are richer better players because of our study with FRED!
@@nealsausen4651 How come there’s no videos of him playing? I’ve never seen him play a single note. I want to see him apply his own teaching to the kit. I’m not trying to diminish his ability’s but we hear about how great he was but if he’s so great why are there no videos on the net showing us how it’s done. He just sounded like a snake oil salesman.
@@apieceofdirt4681 : hey as a student for over a quarter of a century I heard him play a lot of notes, lots and lots and lots and lots of notes on the drum set! and he could play! now understand his (myself included) students didn’t come to GRUBER to see a drum star or to see a star recording Drummer or anything like that! I myself and all his other students came for instruction they came for the best drum instruction out there and they got it! he was a teacher not a drum star you people have got to understand that some people can teach and and some people can play in Freddy’s case he could do both but in GRUBER‘s case he chose to teach and he was a genius at it not every drum star who’s on 20 million albums and 8 million videos can teach worth a shit!! I didn’t go for him to be dazzled by drum solos and grooves! I went to him to learn how to play drums and get the best hand and foot technique instruction possible! You don’t need to see him play! You need to see him TEACH!!! Understand he was a teacher and while yes he could play that was not the road he chose to take! Get used to it everybody! Anyway he’s gone now so what difference does it make?!
I watched a Drum Channel lesson with Freddy. Five or six drummers sat in a line with Freddy with their pads. Freddy played nothing and they all just sat there. Interesting guy but also full of it.
Watch the recent podcast with Weckl, Colaiuta, Steve Smith and others at the same time. They brought up whether he was flim-flamming or legit. Steve Smith went over how he developed Steve's grip using three methods in a detailed and articulate way. In other words, Gruber had the mechanics/technique to back the esoteric philosophy.
He makes sense. Reality isn't solid, everything is energy vibrating at frequencies. Bruce Lee told us to "be like water my friend" Its the same concept
I didn't study with Freddie but did study with Murray Spivak, Dick Wilson, and Rick Schlosser, all of whom taught an approsch similar to that of Freddie. Dick Wilson was particularly aligned with Freddie. My biggest take away was getting clued into "economy of motion" and not over exerting oneself, although in a rock context this doesn't look very cool.
It's the definition of arrogance by all those doubting Mr. Gruber; the basis of their argument being- "Well if I don't understand what he's saying, then it must be nonsense." And those saying "I want to see him showing us some amazing chops"- grow up. No humility, reverence, respect, no clue about learning 'at the feet of the masters', just the self-important, idiotic notion that they know better than Dave Weckl, Steve Smith, Neil Peart, Ian Wallace, Bruce Becker, Vinnie Colaiuta etc etc and the belief that they can see through this 'scam' from watching a five minute video of a man talking.
You don’t listen ! …. Why did he transformed jojo , Neil, Smith, weckl, and others . How did he do it? Because their students start to listen... and stop thinking! They've started to feel! You don't understand because you see with you eyes, the surface of things . It's not complicated, but it takes time to get comfortable with it this approach. It’s like a kung-fu teaching, The disciple can't become a Mastery in a one week. Gruber teaches between the note ... Follow me on social media, I can explain the underlying philosophical concept. But you can't believe me either. It’s amazing what you can discover inside of you, not outside . It’s at the an other level .
Unbelievable how even the legends have fallen in the overblown, overexagerated, overdramatized myth of Freddie Gruber...of whom you will not find a SINGLE DRUM TRACK, audio or video of his SUPPOSED playing! Sheeps following the piper...sad!
I've been drumming since 1984. I also have a PhD in philosophy and can see through his pseudo-philosophical nonsense. Anyway, I'm very happy you said this. "This may look solid. . . but is it really? [waves stick around] If you can create that within yourself. . . you're in touch with the way the whole thing works. . . reflect on what 'this' is, y'know, the anatomy of time and space and have it flow through you, the more its happening." Someone tell me what he said here. Its utter nonsense. Its empty verbiage. Peter Erskine can be pretentious, but he can back it up with a lifetime of work! . Great teachers like Joe Morello, Dom Famularo and Gary Chaffee record, do clinics and solos constantly. Freddie did none of this. Nothing but stream of consciousness talk where a rambling sentence begins and, by the time it ends, you have no idea what he said at the start. He's a con man who knows how to use verbiage to sound vaguely authoritative, but somehow, he pulled it off. I'd like to know how.
it seems cultish because they are very enthused about comunicating a very subtle truth about drumming thats hard to grasp. its a very abstract object of the mind. its like alot of things old guys try to teach young guys things they wish they learned when THEY where young. but some things just cant be understood till you;ve been at it for 50 years. young guys just arent ready to hear these things sounds like non-sense to them youth is wasted on the young, they say such is life
+rockhard his philosophy is simple it seems. Think of drumming as a dance. Don't get bogged down with your ego and being a "drummer"...rather create a dance, breath and let the physics of motion take over.
This is most apparent when Gruber talks about dancing and Peart is like "mmhmm tap dancing". It's like he wasn't even following along with what Gruber was saying and just heard him say "dancer" in the context of a conversation about drumming and was like "oh yeah tap dancing is kinda like drumming"
There are two parts to a really good teacher I believe, no matter the discipline. The material and the non-material, or spiritual. The two go hand in hand. Freddie was a master at both. On the non-material or spiritual side, he could change your perception of how you approach the drums. On the material side, he showed you how to move when practicing with the method books. It was a potent combo.
The Stick Also Rises! I love it.
He's referring to The Sun Also Rises by Ernest Hemingway. :)
2:00 "Don't even do that" 🤣
I studied with him. He changed everything about the way I play.
He could play on a drum kit or it was just a scam ?
@@rodrigorivera4679 he couldn’t actually play drums.
@@rodrigorivera4679 : not a scam. He was a real deal I know.
@@unclerhombus I have searched for years and have not found so much as a shred of him playing. Absolutely nothing. Not saying he is a scam, but c’mon man. Not even a three second lick on a pad showing Incredible technique to verify you can “ teach” Neil Peart a few things???
@@WD5035 I once saw a brief video clip of Gruber playing drums. Can't find it anymore though. Some other dude on Reddit I believe said he saw a video too. Probably the same clip. He played pretty good & jazzy but I wasn't blown away. But one clip doesn't tell the whole story, especially so late in his life.
I'll go with the expert drummers of note that he helped improve.
In Neil Peart's case I think it was an interesting evolution: Peart went from power matched grip, to traditional grip under Gruber and lost some of his attack and intensity. Some people didn't like the new way Peart played and it was legit criticism.
However, when he finally did switch back to matched grip, I believe his timing, control and smoothness was better. He just seemed more polished and sounded more "mature" to me as a result of better technique. He also studied a bit with Erskine too I believe.
Just my two cents. I always like Peart's playing though, especially his compositions.
The best advice I heard in a long time. The kind of thing everybody knows but keeps forgeting, being "technical" but truly being mechanical. Music is feeling, great video.
That's not what he said. He said a lot of nothing.
@@DrJ-hx7wv You clearly never studied with him.
Stephen Croes ; Stephen you are absolutely correct he obviously never Studied with FRED! But for those of us who DID Study with FRED GRUBER and who stuck with it that’s the secret here The key operative word Here, he made real players out of all of us!
And we are richer better players because of our study with FRED!
@@nealsausen4651 How come there’s no videos of him playing? I’ve never seen him play a single note. I want to see him apply his own teaching to the kit. I’m not trying to diminish his ability’s but we hear about how great he was but if he’s so great why are there no videos on the net showing us how it’s done. He just sounded like a snake oil salesman.
@@apieceofdirt4681 : hey as a student for over a quarter of a century I heard him play a lot of notes, lots and lots and lots and lots of notes on the drum set! and he could play! now understand his (myself included) students didn’t come to GRUBER to see a drum star or to see a star recording Drummer or anything like that! I myself and all his other students came for instruction they came for the best drum instruction out there and they got it! he was a teacher not a drum star you people have got to understand that some people can teach and and some people can play in Freddy’s case he could do both but in GRUBER‘s case he chose to teach and he was a genius at it not every drum star who’s on 20 million albums and 8 million videos can teach worth a shit!! I didn’t go for him to be dazzled by drum solos and grooves! I went to him to learn how to play drums and get the best hand and foot technique instruction possible! You don’t need to see him play! You need to see him TEACH!!!
Understand he was a teacher and while yes he could play that was not the road he chose to take! Get used to it everybody! Anyway he’s gone now so what difference does it make?!
The most flawless machine-like technical drumming perfection you will ever see in action is STAN LEVY. Look him up here on UA-cam.
I watched a Drum Channel lesson with Freddy. Five or six drummers sat in a line with Freddy with their pads. Freddy played nothing and they all just sat there. Interesting guy but also full of it.
Watch the recent podcast with Weckl, Colaiuta, Steve Smith and others at the same time. They brought up whether he was flim-flamming or legit. Steve Smith went over how he developed Steve's grip using three methods in a detailed and articulate way. In other words, Gruber had the mechanics/technique to back the esoteric philosophy.
He makes sense. Reality isn't solid, everything is energy vibrating at frequencies. Bruce Lee told us to "be like water my friend"
Its the same concept
lol
I didn't study with Freddie but did study with Murray Spivak, Dick Wilson, and Rick Schlosser, all of whom taught an approsch similar to that of Freddie. Dick Wilson was particularly aligned with Freddie. My biggest take away was getting clued into "economy of motion" and not over exerting oneself, although in a rock context this doesn't look very cool.
awesome
ya that's why niel quit playing traditional grip. they both have shitty style
It's the definition of arrogance by all those doubting Mr. Gruber; the basis of their argument being- "Well if I don't understand what he's saying, then it must be nonsense." And those saying "I want to see him showing us some amazing chops"- grow up. No humility, reverence, respect, no clue about learning 'at the feet of the masters', just the self-important, idiotic notion that they know better than Dave Weckl, Steve Smith, Neil Peart, Ian Wallace, Bruce Becker, Vinnie Colaiuta etc etc and the belief that they can see through this 'scam' from watching a five minute video of a man talking.
You don’t listen ! …. Why did he transformed jojo , Neil, Smith, weckl, and others .
How did he do it?
Because their students start to listen... and stop thinking! They've started to feel!
You don't understand because you see with you eyes, the surface of things .
It's not complicated, but it takes time to get comfortable with it this approach. It’s like a kung-fu teaching, The disciple can't become a
Mastery in a one week.
Gruber teaches between the note ...
Follow me on social media,
I can explain the underlying philosophical concept. But you can't believe me either.
It’s amazing what you can discover inside of you, not outside .
It’s at the an other level .
“The anatomy of time and space”
yes
He talks like Professor Irwin Corey.
Freddie Gruber could not actually play drums.
Yes, he could most definitely play he most definitely could you seem to be ignorant of this fact!
Unbelievable how even the legends have fallen in the overblown, overexagerated, overdramatized myth of Freddie Gruber...of whom you will not find a SINGLE DRUM TRACK, audio or video of his SUPPOSED playing! Sheeps following the piper...sad!
You are absolutely right.
Por algo será.
I've been drumming since 1984. I also have a PhD in philosophy and can see through his pseudo-philosophical nonsense. Anyway, I'm very happy you said this.
"This may look solid. . . but is it really? [waves stick around] If you can create that within yourself. . . you're in touch with the way the whole thing works. . . reflect on what 'this' is, y'know, the anatomy of time and space and have it flow through you, the more its happening." Someone tell me what he said here. Its utter nonsense. Its empty verbiage. Peter Erskine can be pretentious, but he can back it up with a lifetime of work!
. Great teachers like Joe Morello, Dom Famularo and Gary Chaffee record, do clinics and solos constantly. Freddie did none of this. Nothing but stream of consciousness talk where a rambling sentence begins and, by the time it ends, you have no idea what he said at the start. He's a con man who knows how to use verbiage to sound vaguely authoritative, but somehow, he pulled it off.
I'd like to know how.
Here's Jim Chapin talking about FG's drumming. ua-cam.com/video/IrUNszuWbEM/v-deo.html
could the new generations say the same about stick control? Who has seen Mr. Stone? could they say that Stone is overrated?
i find the freddie gruber school to be oddly cultish, but i dig the elastic space time thing as applied to the physicality of drumming.
it seems cultish because they are very enthused about comunicating a very subtle truth about drumming thats hard to grasp.
its a very abstract object of the mind.
its like alot of things old guys try to teach young guys
things they wish they learned when THEY where young.
but some things just cant be understood till you;ve been at it for 50 years.
young guys just arent ready to hear these things
sounds like non-sense to them
youth is wasted on the young, they say
such is life
+rockhard his philosophy is simple it seems. Think of drumming as a dance. Don't get bogged down with your ego and being a "drummer"...rather create a dance, breath and let the physics of motion take over.
we are both odd and cultish. what are you, kliff?
All I want is a video of Gruber actually playing the drums.
@@rockhard2654 well said, they are not ready to understand compassionate playing, And play along with the universe…
you can tell that Neil Pert just doesn't get it, but thinks he does.
There's nothing to get.
Edward gbone :;: Oh yeah Neil DEFINITELY GOT IT!!!! ( you had to be there)!
This is most apparent when Gruber talks about dancing and Peart is like "mmhmm tap dancing". It's like he wasn't even following along with what Gruber was saying and just heard him say "dancer" in the context of a conversation about drumming and was like "oh yeah tap dancing is kinda like drumming"
I know this was four years ago, but it's new to me. Cara's right. There's nothing to get. It's empty verbiage.
@@DrJ-hx7wv Yeah... look up Professor Erwin Corey. He talks the same jibberish.
hi freddy kruegguer grubber dubber haahhahaha
You’re an idiot!
There are two parts to a really good teacher I believe, no matter the discipline. The material and the non-material, or spiritual. The two go hand in hand. Freddie was a master at both. On the non-material or spiritual side, he could change your perception of how you approach the drums. On the material side, he showed you how to move when practicing with the method books. It was a potent combo.