Been in the Kalashnikov game for twenty years now, my all time favorite variant is the Soviet era AKS-74. So my favorite stock is the left folding side folders, much love for both the steel triangle type and the AK-100 series polymer folders. My favorite right folding stocks are the Polish Beryl folding stocks, I sourced several of these stocks when they were available and have installed them on several different rifles. Those are by far my favorite “plug and play” AKM folders as I abhor the after market stocks that require you to permanently alter an imported rifle by cutting off the rear tang, BLASPHEMY! I do have a soft spot for the Romanian right folding push button wire folders as the SAR-1 was my first AK and it has sported one ever since the AWB sunset. LAV will hopefully have a video out on his East German MPi AKS-74 he found hiding in Century Arms’ bonded warehouse, that rifle is a rare beauty.
Enjoyed this video. I prefer wire folding stocks (lever release) as they are simple, tough, compact, and don't get in the way of a side mounted optic. A utilitarian masterpiece.
perfect timing on these videos. Thinking of picking up both SAM7 and SAM5, and then eventually the ZA M90. foregoing doing an AK12 build because ammo supply is just always a big maybe in my mind
Great video Misha. I have a variety of AKs now, and I think underfolders are underrated. Mine is a Romanian (kit build with the dong). I’m a tall guy, and with standard Warsaw length fixed stock shooting with iron sights is less than ideal. With the underfolder I can get down low enough / head in the right position to see the irons well. Maybe it’s the downward slope angle on the Romanian’s underfolder? Whatever the case, I love that one.
I recall when the GP-WASR10/63UF came out around 2007, we were all bitching and moaning that they were too expensive and not worth the asking price. And that price was at the time? $450-$500 lol.
I feel like the "tactical" polymer right folding stocks are the most stupid thing ever. They block the safety lever and sometimes even the line of travel of the reciprocating charging handle. There's no way one would be able to shoot the gun with the stock still folded, should the need to do so arise. The standard left folding stock of the AKS-74 and AK-74M seems like a much better solution to me. The dovetail allows the scope to be QD so there's not much problem with that anyways. And the new AK-12 has picattini rails so that makes the whole situation even better.
I have a Romanian SAR1 side folder. It is my first AK. Originally when I was looking for an AK I did not want a folder because I'd heard from friends who have AKs that they aren't comfortable to shoot. But unfortunately I wasn't in a position to buy one until the US government decided to place an import ban on Russian guns. Wanted to get something like a Zastava M70 but couldn't find any. Found a guy I know in my hometown that had this SAR1 with the side folder for sale for 700 so I scooped it up and figured I'd just deal with it. Since then I've decided I'm over it and met another local guy who is an AK guru and has over 30 AK rifles and pistols. He told me that the one on my rifle can be switched out. Thinking of switching it for a fixed wood stock or a fixed aluminum triangle.
awesome mishaco i got my savage pistol the 1917 in 32 i was waiting on and my crossbreed showed up after two months for my g3 and i love my new holster and i got more magazines for my one ar15 and filled them so ive been stacking and stocking up but i had back in the day the mak90 as you know but the stock i settled on i loved was a really old tapco side folder folded to the left and was a great stock for my mak90 awesome video as always and always enjoy your collection
Its taken me 21 years to get here, and for the first half of that, AKs were very reasonably priced. That included even prebans like the SA85 and Valmet. Back then, people just weren't too into them, so prices weren't too crazy. Thus i was able to pick up examples.
Mine is a Poly Tech Legend underfolder I bought from Kengs around the time of the "Bush ban". I didn't think the stamped stock complimented the milled receiver very well so about 15 years ago I saw an ad in Shotgun News for an unused milled underfolder like your Romanian example. It was about 50 bucks. It fit perfectly and really looks nice. I realize it ruins the collector value, but like you say, It makes me happy, so why not? I also never kept the box. Oh well.
The unders never attracted to me; they just look unsteady and uncomfortable. For reasons, I immediately got a sidefolder for my WASR, but the Tapco looked like it would break with a hard look. I soon stumbled across the CNC/Bonesteel right side folder which, AIUI, is a derivative of the FAL/Galil folder. It's a solid piece of gear, with a tight 'wedge' lockup, but I have a serious want on for a Romy wire stock!
Yea i put the CNC Warrior/Bonesteel right side folder on my WBP Fox because it looks just like the side folding Beryl Polish stock, but I don't think they make one for export. Great sturdy stock with tight lockup, only thing I don't like is there's no push button release, you have to push the whole stock down, which isn't exactly the easiest to manipulate, especially when trying to move and shoot, but at least you only need to do that when unlocking it from the rear, not locking it to the rear from the folding position, so even though you can manipulate the charging handle when it's folded, it's super fast to lockup to the rear when you want to shoot. IE no buttons or levers to use, just slap it back and your ready to rock and roll.
@@IQWhiteBear What I do to unlock is grasp the stock just behind the hinge, place my thumb below the hinge and pull down on the stock by simply closing my hand while pushing up with my thumb
@@petesheppard1709 yea I used to do that too but now I've got some pipe insulation and that black ace bandage type wrap around it to create a nice cheek weld/riser to work with my Beryl rail and optic. I could probably still do it, but it's just a lot bigger around now so I just press on the riser while using my thumb for leverage on the hinge part
@@IQWhiteBear Improvise and overcome! 😃 BTW, my stock is the shorter, 'WARPAC' length, so I have to take a bit of care not to get my moustache snagged in the joint. 😎
@@petesheppard1709 hahaha. I feel ya. I thought my sideburns would get stuck in the black wrap I put around the cheek riser I made, but luckily it doesn't grab at all. I also put a butt pad on the end of the folding brace cuz I'm 6'6" and now it's a perfect length of pull
Whats your guys thoughts on turning a zpap into a poor mans rpk. I dont know if the barrels are interchangable, but couldnt you pretty much put in a m72 barrel into zpap? You could even put in a light alg trigger or a binary, and get a custom rpk stock.
under folding stock didn’t appeared first time on what you called “type 3”. it was a thing for both previous variants (heavier milled and stamped ones).
@@misha5670 I did. and heard “from the original AKS, AKS-47 type 3” again. by “type 3” people used to call third iteration of the earliest AK’s (even tho nothing in russian military was called “type something”. pure asian thing but whatever... it make sense to separate them somehow at least). so from your words it sounds like before this third model there wasn’t under folders before.
@@randomperson-fr8ig Nope, actually there were underfolders in the original batch of 4 prototypes that Kalashnikov oversaw himself. A folding stock variant was always in the cards. In the USA Type 1 is the very commonly accepted name for the original stamped receiver. Type II was the first/early milled receiver, the one with the different cuts and rear section. Finally, Type III is your standard, mass-produced milled receiver gun. If you watch part 1 in this series, i go more into receivers there.
@@misha5670 that’s what I’m talking about. underfolders always existed, even on the prototypes (starting from AK-46 number 3). and models before so called type 3 was mass produced as well. not in those big quantities as AKM but still. and I’m speaking here only about russian ones because this lightened milled variant is the most wide spreaded one because of its licensed copies and I’m guessing that’s why you always referring to it in this video.
Hello Sir..what an awesome video.. excellent presentation..I am now going to follow your future videos..I have a question..I just purchased a century arms ak-47 pistol..is it possible to put an under folder stock ? On it ..or the side wire stock..look to your kind guidance..and revert
Great video as always, but I am trying to figure out why US made AK's (especially those from parts kits) always have finish that is totally off for an AK. Even if they are blued, they are never properly polished beforehand, so they kinda look painted. Greetings from Croatia.
I have no clue what to go with i am getting a zastava and don't know if i should go fixed stock or try angle folder, some people say recoil on the triangle folder is uncomfortable but idk
Every police officer guarding anything in Sudan seem to have an under folder Yugo pattern. I wonder why not Maadi ??? Sudan gets everything from Egypt.
@@misha5670 i am from Egypt and my brother in law works in Maade factory I want to congratulate you for your undated info as the factory is closed may be 2 years ago and stopped producing AK rifles it took me by surprise when you mentioned that. Still the main rifle in the Egyptian army however in the drama financed and supervised by the Egyptian army last year they start to show and leak that they are using other 7.62x39 16 inch barrel that use ak mags i think it is waste of resources
@@goodstuff8156 Just a culture, nothing more, because we are amateurs. Do not let your thinking go too far... We have fought and are still fighting terrorism represented by ISIS, and we will remain until we cleanse all of Syria.
@@echodelta2172 kinda I've seen someone make a custome ak underfolder for an AR15 buffer tube. My metal working skills is not existing. Still wanna do it though
Please, open to any and all suggestions to cover new things. Already brought videos on the T65, T65K2, Mini Beryl, Beryl-762, HD18, and various recent Swiss import models. I don't much like retreading ground either, but I put out a video basically every-other day. Sometimes there's just not something fresh-in to cover.
Niet... Video is FINE! AKs and Misha's amazing amount of knowledge will never get old to true AK fans. Thanks again for another great video! Thanks for watching AND commenting even though you didn't like it! Helps give the vids more reach!
@@ivanhorvat1995 Exactly, Chris is a great friend of mine and i don't watch every single video that SAS puts out either. Sometimes it is on a modern commercial gun that just doesn't interest me, like say the Hellcat. I do still go in and Like all for him to help out though.
Ian McCollum flies all over the world looking for rare and interesting firearms. Mishaco hauls them up from his basement.
Welcome to living with a disability. If i can't go to the guns, I find ways to bring them to me hehehe.
Personally I like side folders more than uf's but I love all AK's anyways
For shooting i like left side folding dedicated trunnion, for aesthetics I enjoy AKS canted under-folders.
Had to take an hour long poop at work today to watch this vid.
....not....sure....how to take that....yeah?
Wow. Blown away by your collection and historical knowledge.
UF for looks
SF for practicality
Excellent overview, Misha. Your collection is VERY impressive!
Been in the Kalashnikov game for twenty years now, my all time favorite variant is the Soviet era AKS-74. So my favorite stock is the left folding side folders, much love for both the steel triangle type and the AK-100 series polymer folders.
My favorite right folding stocks are the Polish Beryl folding stocks, I sourced several of these stocks when they were available and have installed them on several different rifles. Those are by far my favorite “plug and play” AKM folders as I abhor the after market stocks that require you to permanently alter an imported rifle by cutting off the rear tang, BLASPHEMY!
I do have a soft spot for the Romanian right folding push button wire folders as the SAR-1 was my first AK and it has sported one ever since the AWB sunset. LAV will hopefully have a video out on his East German MPi AKS-74 he found hiding in Century Arms’ bonded warehouse, that rifle is a rare beauty.
Lots of great info- I really appreciate all you do!
Nothing on tv, Friday sipping tea listening to the Kalash guru 👍 interesting stuff
You’re my favorite teacher. Thanks for all you do.
Hell yeah my man misha coming thru with another AK video
Beautiful collection Misha
Enjoyed this video. I prefer wire folding stocks (lever release) as they are simple, tough, compact, and don't get in the way of a side mounted optic. A utilitarian masterpiece.
perfect timing on these videos.
Thinking of picking up both SAM7 and SAM5, and then eventually the ZA M90.
foregoing doing an AK12 build because ammo supply is just always a big maybe in my mind
Love your content. What a great resource for the community.
I always learn something when i watch you and jay. But yall make me spend more money.
We definitely have a lot of underfolders still in use here in Serbia (M70AB2). It seems they are more common in the army than the fixed stock variant.
Based on the parts kits we get here, that doesn't at all surprise me. I'd say we have 5-10 M70AB2 kits for every 1 M70B1.
Great video Misha.
I have a variety of AKs now, and I think underfolders are underrated. Mine is a Romanian (kit build with the dong). I’m a tall guy, and with standard Warsaw length fixed stock shooting with iron sights is less than ideal. With the underfolder I can get down low enough / head in the right position to see the irons well. Maybe it’s the downward slope angle on the Romanian’s underfolder? Whatever the case, I love that one.
I recall when the GP-WASR10/63UF came out around 2007, we were all bitching and moaning that they were too expensive and not worth the asking price. And that price was at the time? $450-$500 lol.
@@misha5670 Mine was built by Atlantic and I purchased it early 2019 for $620. Best gun for the money I ever bought.
Thanks for the answer on the protruding latch on the triangle folder. I thought it was supposed to be flush.
Loving those bake grips and hand guard.
Kind of surprised there was no talk of the Zenitco options. Great video though
I feel like the "tactical" polymer right folding stocks are the most stupid thing ever. They block the safety lever and sometimes even the line of travel of the reciprocating charging handle. There's no way one would be able to shoot the gun with the stock still folded, should the need to do so arise.
The standard left folding stock of the AKS-74 and AK-74M seems like a much better solution to me. The dovetail allows the scope to be QD so there's not much problem with that anyways. And the new AK-12 has picattini rails so that makes the whole situation even better.
I have a Romanian SAR1 side folder. It is my first AK. Originally when I was looking for an AK I did not want a folder because I'd heard from friends who have AKs that they aren't comfortable to shoot. But unfortunately I wasn't in a position to buy one until the US government decided to place an import ban on Russian guns. Wanted to get something like a Zastava M70 but couldn't find any. Found a guy I know in my hometown that had this SAR1 with the side folder for sale for 700 so I scooped it up and figured I'd just deal with it. Since then I've decided I'm over it and met another local guy who is an AK guru and has over 30 AK rifles and pistols. He told me that the one on my rifle can be switched out. Thinking of switching it for a fixed wood stock or a fixed aluminum triangle.
Sam7sf Right side master race
Poor confirmed
@@realfnneato3111 sam7???
@@realfnneato3111 you're the poor now, dum dum.
@@Leman.Russ.6thLegion imagine thinking that sam7 is high class, get an actual import that has appreciated dingus
@@realfnneato3111 what do you have? Cus I got Russians, chicoms, polish, bulgis, yugos, romis..
Right side East German paratrooper stocks are the best I have two Soviet AK’s in this configuration.
awesome mishaco i got my savage pistol the 1917 in 32 i was waiting on and my crossbreed showed up after two months for my g3 and i love my new holster and i got more magazines for my one ar15 and filled them so ive been stacking and stocking up but i had back in the day the mak90 as you know but the stock i settled on i loved was a really old tapco side folder folded to the left and was a great stock for my mak90 awesome video as always and always enjoy your collection
I'd bet money the number of aks he doesn't have is shorter than the ones he does.
Its taken me 21 years to get here, and for the first half of that, AKs were very reasonably priced. That included even prebans like the SA85 and Valmet. Back then, people just weren't too into them, so prices weren't too crazy. Thus i was able to pick up examples.
PM md. 65 😍😍 Just love how with the Hungarians, the Romanians were ahead of their time. A vertical foregrip, in the 1960s!
Ever cheek-welded to an AMDtech wire folder riser for the east german or romy folders?
Good question! I’ve been wanting a riser for them!
Mine is a Poly Tech Legend underfolder I bought from Kengs around the time of the "Bush ban". I didn't think the stamped stock complimented the milled receiver very well so about 15 years ago I saw an ad in Shotgun News for an unused milled underfolder like your Romanian example. It was about 50 bucks. It fit perfectly and really looks nice. I realize it ruins the collector value, but like you say, It makes me happy, so why not? I also never kept the box. Oh well.
I like your style. I think we'd get on and agree quite well.
@@misha5670 Thank You, I think so too. I really enjoy your presentations, great work!
Can a 75 rd drum be used with the side folder
Thanks Misha!
Rich.
The unders never attracted to me; they just look unsteady and uncomfortable. For reasons, I immediately got a sidefolder for my WASR, but the Tapco looked like it would break with a hard look. I soon stumbled across the CNC/Bonesteel right side folder which, AIUI, is a derivative of the FAL/Galil folder. It's a solid piece of gear, with a tight 'wedge' lockup, but I have a serious want on for a Romy wire stock!
Yea i put the CNC Warrior/Bonesteel right side folder on my WBP Fox because it looks just like the side folding Beryl Polish stock, but I don't think they make one for export. Great sturdy stock with tight lockup, only thing I don't like is there's no push button release, you have to push the whole stock down, which isn't exactly the easiest to manipulate, especially when trying to move and shoot, but at least you only need to do that when unlocking it from the rear, not locking it to the rear from the folding position, so even though you can manipulate the charging handle when it's folded, it's super fast to lockup to the rear when you want to shoot. IE no buttons or levers to use, just slap it back and your ready to rock and roll.
@@IQWhiteBear What I do to unlock is grasp the stock just behind the hinge, place my thumb below the hinge and pull down on the stock by simply closing my hand while pushing up with my thumb
@@petesheppard1709 yea I used to do that too but now I've got some pipe insulation and that black ace bandage type wrap around it to create a nice cheek weld/riser to work with my Beryl rail and optic. I could probably still do it, but it's just a lot bigger around now so I just press on the riser while using my thumb for leverage on the hinge part
@@IQWhiteBear Improvise and overcome! 😃 BTW, my stock is the shorter, 'WARPAC' length, so I have to take a bit of care not to get my moustache snagged in the joint. 😎
@@petesheppard1709 hahaha. I feel ya. I thought my sideburns would get stuck in the black wrap I put around the cheek riser I made, but luckily it doesn't grab at all. I also put a butt pad on the end of the folding brace cuz I'm 6'6" and now it's a perfect length of pull
Whats your guys thoughts on turning a zpap into a poor mans rpk. I dont know if the barrels are interchangable, but couldnt you pretty much put in a m72 barrel into zpap? You could even put in a light alg trigger or a binary, and get a custom rpk stock.
Yes, an M72 frontend would fit into a ZPAP: Source, a friend did just that.
@@misha5670 nice. Do you know anyone besides green mountain that sell barrels im hoping there a chf cl ones somewhere
under folding stock didn’t appeared first time on what you called “type 3”. it was a thing for both previous variants (heavier milled and stamped ones).
Please listen to the video again.
@@misha5670 I did. and heard “from the original AKS, AKS-47 type 3” again. by “type 3” people used to call third iteration of the earliest AK’s (even tho nothing in russian military was called “type something”. pure asian thing but whatever... it make sense to separate them somehow at least). so from your words it sounds like before this third model there wasn’t under folders before.
@@randomperson-fr8ig Nope, actually there were underfolders in the original batch of 4 prototypes that Kalashnikov oversaw himself. A folding stock variant was always in the cards. In the USA Type 1 is the very commonly accepted name for the original stamped receiver. Type II was the first/early milled receiver, the one with the different cuts and rear section. Finally, Type III is your standard, mass-produced milled receiver gun. If you watch part 1 in this series, i go more into receivers there.
@@misha5670 that’s what I’m talking about. underfolders always existed, even on the prototypes (starting from AK-46 number 3). and models before so called type 3 was mass produced as well. not in those big quantities as AKM but still. and I’m speaking here only about russian ones because this lightened milled variant is the most wide spreaded one because of its licensed copies and I’m guessing that’s why you always referring to it in this video.
Hello Sir..what an awesome video.. excellent presentation..I am now going to follow your future videos..I have a question..I just purchased a century arms ak-47 pistol..is it possible to put an under folder stock ? On it ..or the side wire stock..look to your kind guidance..and revert
Great video as always, but I am trying to figure out why US made AK's (especially those from parts kits) always have finish that is totally off for an AK. Even if they are blued, they are never properly polished beforehand, so they kinda look painted. Greetings from Croatia.
Because most US builders finish their AKs to look pretty, not to be resistant tothe elements.
I have no clue what to go with i am getting a zastava and don't know if i should go fixed stock or try angle folder, some people say recoil on the triangle folder is uncomfortable but idk
Every police officer guarding anything in Sudan seem to have an under folder Yugo pattern. I wonder why not Maadi ??? Sudan gets everything from Egypt.
saving this one for after work!
Happy 3-day weekend to you now.
@@misha5670 thank you brother !!!!! Same to you have a great weekend
Do fixed stocks fit on those east german, romanian, egyptian ak's with side folding stocks?
Is there a big difference between the Polytech Bakelite side folder and the Galil side folder?
Yes
@@misha5670 thanks Misha!
where can I get that sling
Time to kick back with a glass of lime Smirnoff and Mountain dew.
Thank God Zima disappeared years ago hehe.
_[screams in fixed-stock Yugo]_
Great video if I could I would give more than one like👍👍👍👍👍👍
Thank you, and sharing is basically like giving multiple Likes....assuming you don't share with anti-gunners that is hehe.
Have you guys ever got your psa 74 figured out? I guess MAC had the same issue.
I’d like one... but sounds like that firing pin issue isn’t an isolated incident
Sure, did an update & return to the range video here about a month ago.
@@misha5670 Ok cool thank you.
Till now many nations still use the AK for their armies
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
@@misha5670 i am from Egypt and my brother in law works in Maade factory I want to congratulate you for your undated info as the factory is closed may be 2 years ago and stopped producing AK rifles it took me by surprise when you mentioned that. Still the main rifle in the Egyptian army however in the drama financed and supervised by the Egyptian army last year they start to show and leak that they are using other 7.62x39 16 inch barrel that use ak mags i think it is waste of resources
Does anyone know what the barrel pattern of the 7.62 psa aks are?
A pattern of sadness and disappointment? lol sorry, couldn't resist, only joking.
جيد
Why not download an Arabic translation? There are many Arabs who love you 😪
خيو العرب صفر كبير
للاسف
I see why this would be useful for an Arab, especially a Syrian like you.
@@goodstuff8156
Just a culture, nothing more, because we are amateurs. Do not let your thinking go too far... We have fought and are still fighting terrorism represented by ISIS, and we will remain until we cleanse all of Syria.
Fucking beauty!!!!😍
A folder on an rpk looks weird
Your Weird...
Just kidding.
I know exactly what you mean. Give it a moment though, it'll strangely kind of grow on you.
@@misha5670
Just like mis matching furniture on an AK.
Plum gas tub cover, dong,
Rpk buttstock.
Love it.
👍👍
👍🔔
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This is gonna sound dumb. But I wanna put an AK under folder on an SBR AR15 and a short TROY PDW AR stock on an AKM
except you can kinda do the latter without much problem
@@echodelta2172 kinda I've seen someone make a custome ak underfolder for an AR15 buffer tube. My metal working skills is not existing. Still wanna do it though
You are correct in your first statement
Really enjoy your videos but the whole AK thing has been beat to death
Please, open to any and all suggestions to cover new things. Already brought videos on the T65, T65K2, Mini Beryl, Beryl-762, HD18, and various recent Swiss import models. I don't much like retreading ground either, but I put out a video basically every-other day. Sometimes there's just not something fresh-in to cover.
You could say this about any gun. Don't like it - don't watch it, it's simple.
Niet... Video is FINE! AKs and Misha's amazing amount of knowledge will never get old to true AK fans. Thanks again for another great video! Thanks for watching AND commenting even though you didn't like it! Helps give the vids more reach!
@@ivanhorvat1995 Exactly, Chris is a great friend of mine and i don't watch every single video that SAS puts out either. Sometimes it is on a modern commercial gun that just doesn't interest me, like say the Hellcat. I do still go in and Like all for him to help out though.