Man I asked for this review several months back y’all said you would look into it and damn you did. Thanks guys great channel!! I have this on my RockRiver 18”. Love it
@@barrelandhatchet Do you mind sharing what you do for a day job? I would love to train the way you guys do in these videos but it seems so cost prohibitive. What affords the time resources and friends to train like this? Obviously, I’m doing something wrong.
Got this scope when it 1st came out 2yrs ago and it’s been right on for $450 on sale!! Had to exchange it cuz there was something wrong with debris in the glass but PA costumer service was 💯! Love shooting this on my 18” criterion DMR
Another great video and scope review. Thank you for useful content that can help us intermediates become better shooters and learn how to train smarter.
If they made this optic with the same kind of reticle as the Credo 2-10×36 it would blow the Credo out the water... It's still a cool optic though and the galss is amazing for the money. I really like their PLX and GLX line... My go to LPVO's is their 1-6 and 1-8 with one of their ACSS reticles in them like the Raptor M2 and M6. To me those are extremely fast and it makes shooting at distance almost like cheating and again the optics have great glass for the money. Great video as always keepem coming brother!!!
I have a 13.7 rifle with a swamp Fox 1 x 10 BDC. Many of my other Scopes are primary arms 1-6 and 4x14 which I love the reticle. But I can't afford that two and a half by 10 but I've been eyeballing they're new one by 10 lpvo because primary arms just has the best reticles.
good stuff man, agree pretty much all around. I got this and the Credo at the same time because i really wasnt sure which one i was going to end up with. I went into it honestly wanting to end up with the Credo, and while it is a solid optic, i just thought that between the much more useable at low power reticle, and the absurdly generous eyebox, the GLx was a better fit for a scope carbine. Not that the optical quality of the Trijicon was bad, but it just wasnt really enough better. Slightly better color transmission, but meh, i was expecting more. Vastly prefer the GLx turrets, even though i dont really dial them much, but the lock is super nice to have. One thing i would say about the parallax. I find that if it just stick it at ~250-300, from 50-175 it doesnt really matter enough, from 175-350 its pretty much on, and past that there is enough time to tune if you want to take it. Basically i would say the Credo was doing the same thing, fixed ~300y parallax, but without the ability to tune it when it would be nice. The depth of field did seem a bit wider on the Credo, but not really enough to make a meaningful difference in use. Would absolutely love to see a ~$1400 PLx version of this from them, built in the same ethos of their new 1-8. Could potentially dominate the MPVO market, which thankfully seems to be getting a little more love lately.
I got the big brother to this. The 4-16x w/ the Athena BPR reticle. On a 20” set up I just built. I have yet to test it though. Thank you for the awesome content.
First time I've heard someone complain about having adjustable parallax. If you want it to function like the credo set your parallax @100m and forget it.
These GLx4 2.5-10x44mm Have Fairly High Value + Solid Glass Quality. Excellent Reticles. Awesomely accurate Dials that are both highly accurate AND repeatable Should You So choose to dial in vs hold over. My Griffin Mil Version of the 2.5-10x44mm On a Christensen Arms Ranger 18” Carbon Fiber Barreled .22LR Bolt-Action. As the idea of a suppressed .22LR from 0-300yards to practice shooting fundamentals on the Cheap, or maybe joining a .22LR “Long Range” League Would be dominant as well.
I picked up GLX 2.5-10× GRIFFIN MIL ACSS about 18 months ago . I use this optic on my 16" 6ARC . This is my favorite 2-10. I'm also gonna be picking up ATHLON 2-12× .. GRIFFIN MIL ACSS and ACSS Aurora are my 2 favorite reticles . They dont make the Aurora anymore or at least I think they dont
@@JackAdams41512 12.5" and 16" are my 2 favorite general purpose 6ARC Barrel lengths. My 12.5 can get out to 600 yards absolutely no problem . My 16" gets out to 1/2 mile ( 880 yards ) . I realistically shoot 600 yards and in . That why I dont really shoot my 20" 6ARC all that much . Since 600 is the max I shoot I do not like longer barrel lengths. 16" is perfect as SPR / RECCE and doubles as nice deer / hogg rig.. 12.5 6ARC Velocities Black 105g BTHP 2435 FPS.. Match 108g ELDM 2420 FPS.. ELDX 103G 2455 FPS.. 16" Velocities Black 105G BTHP 2540 FPS. Match 108g ELDM 2530 FPS.. ELDX 103G 2555 FPS.. I have not shot my 20" in a while but I'm pretty sure I was at 2660 Fps with Black 105g BTHP. I've had the best consistency with Black 105g BTHP and that's all I really shoot.. All these velocities are with factory ammo . Hand loaded your probably get 50FPS faster or up too
@@JackAdams41512 16" or 18" would be perfect for 700 yards. If you plan on eventually shooting PRS or any other precision/ LR matches . I would for sure go with 20" or 22" . BA Premium Black Series 6ARC barrels are probably best bang for your buck . Brownells / Faxon barrels are also pretty solid . Proof is probably one of the better ones unless you go with Custom Barrel . Kenny from Desert precision Gunworks makes the absolute best 6ARC Gas Gun Barrels . I actually favor the 1in8 twist for 6ARC because IMO it shoots the Black 105g BTHP the best . Faxon Gunner 6ARC barrels are good if you want Lightweight rig that you can carry around all day . I wouldn't recommend this if you wanna go to the range and squeeze off 50 plus rounds because the barrels gonna get hot pretty quick . My 12" is Faxon Gunner because I wanted Lightweight Recce Rig . I can usually get 10 rounds or so before my accuracy starts opening up .
A chevron with exposed turrets doesn't make sense IMHO. There's no point in dialing at extended range if you have no wind holds in the reticle. PAs Athena reticle would make much better sense in this optic. I sold mine shortly after purchasing. I sacrificed FFP and went with the NF NXS Compact 2.5-10. It has parallax adjustment, the Mil-R reticle which includes a 0.1 increment ranging Mil T grid, and crystal clear glass. Very happy with that decision.
Totally agree. I posted similar post on a different video about this scope. But the Athena reticle isn’t perfect either with those .2 MIL Dots around the center. PA definitely needs to update their reticles.
Do the PLx Compact please! 16.9ounces!….I’m holding off on a Razor or a Vudu for more info on the PLx Compact. I wonder about the durability vs the others.
I know this is a little late but I feel the following is a "good to know". I went for this set up. I got the glx 2.5-10, the ADM Delta mount (cantilever) and the option ADM picatinny top clamp for the mount. Where I strayed was the dot. Instead of the regular Vortex Sparc I went with the Solar version, figuring it was essentially the same with added solar. I was wrong. The mount/picatinny adapter is slightly different. I have the original sparc on another rifle (luckily) but used the high mount for that one. The difference is that with the original it uses one cross bar/tension screw/bolt. This bolt is the feature that sits in the gap of picatinny. You then tighten it down and it clamps on. The solarw, however, uses two screws and has a machined protrusion that fits into the picstinny slot. The issues was that when the mount was on and in place the two screws did not have clearance to pass through the dots mount as the positive portions of the picatiny top clamp blocked them. There was no way around it. Luckily I still held on to the low mount from the original Sparc and it mated to the solar just fine. Then using the single tension screw was able to mount it just fine to the top clamp picatinny. Just something to think about. Also there is very little if any clearance between the dot housing and the elevation dial. (You shouldn't need to dial anyway, it's a 10x FFP with a mil tree, git gud) but something to note. Just wanted to get this info out there to anyone that may be interested in this set up.
Great info. I went with an Arken 4-16 for my 18" spr and I've wanted to replace it ever since. Arken is a decent scope for the money, but it's wayyy too heavy and too much magnification for this application. Been trying to decide between Trijicon 2-10 and this Primary Arms. Both are more than 10 ounces lighter than the Arken, but the reticle on the Primary Arms has me sold. Thanks for the review 👍
I'm in the same boat with almost the same rifle haha 18in rifle with a arken and your right it's thiccc. Did you ever replace it? I'm about to jump to a GLX either the Griffin mil 2.5-10 or the 4-16 with the Athena reticle.
@John Basilone hey John! after tying out both NF teirs I ended up going with Vortex. Bang for buck. Not even a razor haha. Im a cheap guy. what can I say? I liked the PA GLX 2.5-10 a lot but the left knob broke very easily and I know Vortex is a little more tough. it's a journey 😅 shooting out to 500-700 more but I'm working with a 4MOA shooter/gun/ammo set up. I'm trying to not play "musical optics" and just stick with something.
It's interesting that you said you weren't that into dialing parallax, when you said the lack of parallax adjustment was the Credo's only real lack. How's the glass compare between the two? Is Trijicon's glass $300 better?
Great question, when we did the credo, we did say that the lack of parallax was something we wished we had, well now that we ran a scope with parallax adjustment, we changed our thoughts on the parallel being needed so a scoped carbine specifically. The target transitions were just so fast, that in order to make those shots, we had to mess with parallax and it slowed you down, or if you didn’t adjust it, caused misses at further distances like 400-600 yards. So it’s something that with the credo, we are now in the opinion of no parallax for a scoped carbine is actually decent.
@@barrelandhatchet how is that the case? On a non-adjustable parallax scope, the parallax is set at the factory at a middle of the road distance. Theoretically you should be able to do the exact same thing on the PA and then not mess with it.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but adjusting parallax is more of a capability than a negativity. Yes you may have a scope with a set parallax or an adjustable, but what’s the negative of having a scope with adjustable parallax and just leaving it at x.
Clear & cheep, didn't get to use it yet but had good experiences with cv through the years 9 woodchuck this year so I might have to wait till more move in🤔
Seems like an awesome scope. I have PA’s 1-8x on my 13.7 GPR but in the future i might pick up this guy for a AR-10 build. Do you think 10x is enough scope for 308?
Unfortunately my gen. 1 Steyr AUG has a BUILT-IN 1.5 x scope. Can't be changed. But my RUGER PC 9 mm carbine (16" barrel) for Steel Challenge competition has a Holosun AEMS circle/dot reticle. IMHO it is the best PCC "red dot" sight.
You don’t “have” to change the parallax adjustment The fixed parallax scopes are usually set for 100ish yards If you were to take a quick shot without changing the parallax it would basically be the same as just having a scope without an adjustment
If your eye alignment behind the scope is perfectly consistent then you never need parallax adjustment. That being said, one of my most embarrassing missed shots in competition was a parallax induced error at 25 yards that threw me completely off target. Granted I was severely extended around a barrier, had my parallax adjusted to max, and I was in the left edge of my eyebox, but I never forgot what parallax was afterwards.
Unless something is wildly different about these scopes than anything used in the precision rifle world you shouldn’t really be coming off the gun to check parallax yardage numbers, those are a guideline and aren’t set in stone. I’ve never seen anyone do that at a prs match and they are shooting much further so much more parallax error if you get it wrong. With time you will get a feel for what good parallax looks like, though that is a benefit of scopes that are extremely forgiving for parallax. Perhaps I’m misunderstanding what you were putting down with that though.
Was wanting to get a 2 ish - 10 style scope for a 13.7 and I’m stuck between the creedo and the glx with the griffin. Was wondering which you all preferred out of the two? I’m fairly new to variable optics and all the vernacular surrounding them especially parallax.
Thanks, Eric! How is the glass clarity and how well does the reticle work with the 14.5” barrel length? I imagine it was designed for 16” or 20” with 72gr ammo.
@@keatonturner2578 clarity is pretty good. It's my first scope so I'm not really a great judge of how it compares to others. I figured with all other things equal a larger objective lens collects more light so it's gonna be better than a lpvo. In the budget range i was in the glx checked all the boxes, so far so good. Gotta take classes now to really learn how to utilize this reticle.
@@maker_greg thanks for the info man! I know their plx line has the Japanese glass that’s supposed to be stellar. Unsure if the glx has the same but it sounds like it’s good to go!
So I came across your trijicon credo review first and then I saw this one. I am in the process of building a 6 mm Arc variant of the mk12 and I'm looking for a nice optic for it. How is the glass quality of this compared to the credo?
Butting in with my unsolicited opinion. B&H commented on another post and stated that they’d chose the Credo over the GLx, cost not being an issue. Having been behind both I’d suggest the Credo hands down without question.
I picked up the GLX 1-10 bc the 2.5-10 is out of stock. The eyebox is horrendous. Extremely tight. Even at 6x. How would you rate the 2.5-10 eyebox? Figure it’s prob a little better with a larger objective lens.
I have been shooting alot of 2-10 scopes over the last two months, Primary Arms, Trijicon and last week Vortec PST . With your bullet grain wait what length and gas system are you running 16in 18in ??
How do you think this would do in a 1.93 mount? I was looking at the plxc but it’s never in stock and that extra further magnification is kinda nice. And is it possible to run a side mount dot in a hanger mount or are the knobs and objective lens to big?
I’d suggest a 1.425” and mounting over the the top. Whether you are running NODs or are firing supported from a platform, I find the piggyback is superior for a heavier or more precision oriented rig. You can run a 1.93” mount with no issue, but I personally feel you are losing the benefit of a more solid cheek weld and are needlessly elevating your optic plane above the bore. Either way I’d suggest looking at a Griffin Armament SPRM mount, it will give you the option to run piggy-back, 45°, or 90° in a bombproof mount.
Should I get the PA 2.5X10 or the Athlon 2X12 for my 18" GPR/SPR build?? I'd prefer the lower 2X and the higher 12X.... but so many people really seem to dig this GLX scope... my rifle shoots sub MOA at 600 yards, so I really want to take advantage of this capability of precision shots inside of 600 yards.... my goal is to never be in an under 50 yard "battle" scenario, but I'd want the ability to use the scope if that unlikely scenario occurred..... I definitely don't want an lpvo because I want parallax adjustments for clearer shots past 200 yards.... What's your recommendation?
Butting in with my unsolicited opinion. Assuming you are talking about the PA GLx and Athlon Helos BTR. I’ve been behind both, both are good performers inside of their price range. You won’t notice the 0.5x difference on the low end or the extra 2x at the high end, but the clarity and eyebox on the PA GLx is noticeably better. To me the extra clarity provides a noticeable improvement to PID and overall long range utility than the extra 2x on the Athlon. I can’t comment on the accuracy of either’s adjustments or parallax. Despite often being referred to as “side focus”, parallax adjustments have nothing to do with focusing the image (that’s adjusted at the diopter), they are for transposing the reticle over the same focal plane as the target image. If your parallax is not adjusted correctly you can still shoot accurately with consistent head positioning, but the capacity for parallax error is increased. Generally speaking the greatest capacity for parallax error exists at closer ranges under 200yds.
@woodrowcall3158 thanks for the input.... I was wondering how much better 2X on the low end would be over the 2.5X, and I was also thinking maybe it's better to have the extra magnification with the 12X.... but, if it's truly not noticeable, maybe I will in fact go with the Primary Arms.... I'd definitely rather but American made .. Thanks again
PRS has ruined shooting due to over penetration of cover. example. Shooting from inside a building, if you stick your weapon out the window or hang it out the window, you will get attention you don't want. Shoot from inside the building. If your rifle is too heavy drop weight so you can hold it.
@@JlKaz1 the raptor will do the job, but you have to play around quite a bit with your zero distance and the ballistics of your load to get the reticle to perform as it’s “supposed” to. The griffin allows for mil corrections and allows for a higher degree of accuracy
Dig the channel, dig the content. The general consensus in the community is leaning towards the current rigs you're running, in relation to the content you're producing. *"Barrel & Hatchet"* is a kewl name, but why not keep the name only in principle, and drop the dumb a$$ tomahawk, and carry something actually practical like a boys axe, preferably something swedish? I'm obviously nitpicking, but as someone that's done SERE work for a decade, everytime I see a tomahawk I cringe. They're the highpoint of edged tools. If you were to show up to a SERE class with a hawk on your pack you'd be roasted all weekend. They're equatable to a pistol caliber carbine with a 18 inch barrel. It's obviously irrelevant and I'm being a petty betch, but everytime I see your cutscenes looking Gucci in the jungle, it's ruined by that dumb a$$ tool. Drop the hawk, and pickup a small forest (I think they're equally as gimmicky, but infinitely more capable). If size end weight is a concern I have a 1000g Basque I'd be willing to ship, just so long as you never post tomahawk related scene ever again, lol. It's a highly desireable, hand crafted slip fit axe; like a tomahawk. There's only one man on the planet producing them, for a company that's hundreds of years old. He's in his 90's, and will be retiring shortly, making the basques impossible to come by. They're regarded as the standard. Due to makers age the quality has started to slip, but I have several from a decade ago. Just tak it, and post a video burning that damn tomahawk... I'm a 2-10x fanboi as well, ever since I regrettably sold my NF years ago, I've been searching for a good compromise. Would you recommend this over the Trijicon? I've been using my mk4 back and forth on my DMR's, but it really is a sht optic. I think I sold your shop an FNC a few months ago via GunBroker. Does that ring a bell? I'm 99% sure it was "triple A," and it was a shop in Florida.
OK, give us the Credo vs PA Glx 2.5-10 showdown we deserve !
Got this scope on an open box deal for under 500. Put it on my adm with 14.5 triarc barrel and a5 buffer. Thing is a laser beam.
Heck yeah that is an awesome setup
@@barrelandhatchet hey what mount did you use for the red dot on top of 2.5-10x???
@@shaolinwarriormark it’s an adm 30mm delta mount with a railed cap
I would also look at reptilia and badger ordinance
@@zb6618 thank you
Where did you find the open box deal?
I run this on a 16” 308 and I love it. Reliably hitting man size targets out to 800-900yds.
Man I asked for this review several months back y’all said you would look into it and damn you did. Thanks guys great channel!! I have this on my RockRiver 18”. Love it
Thanks so much John, we try to put out what you guys want! Thanks so much for supporting us! And it’s people like you that helps drive us on
@@barrelandhatchet
Do you mind sharing what you do for a day job?
I would love to train the way you guys do in these videos but it seems so cost prohibitive.
What affords the time resources and friends to train like this?
Obviously, I’m doing something wrong.
I put one of these on my M1A Scout Squad and love it. 2.5-10x is a great magnification range.
I installed a glx 4x16 with acss hud on my Daniel defense mk12 with A offset rmr. Great optic on a great rifle.
Got this scope when it 1st came out 2yrs ago and it’s been right on for $450 on sale!! Had to exchange it cuz there was something wrong with debris in the glass but PA costumer service was 💯! Love shooting this on my 18” criterion DMR
They have a great customer service department and the scope of awesomeness also criterion will shoot lights out
Another great video and scope review. Thank you for useful content that can help us intermediates become better shooters and learn how to train smarter.
If they made this optic with the same kind of reticle as the Credo 2-10×36 it would blow the Credo out the water... It's still a cool optic though and the galss is amazing for the money. I really like their PLX and GLX line... My go to LPVO's is their 1-6 and 1-8 with one of their ACSS reticles in them like the Raptor M2 and M6. To me those are extremely fast and it makes shooting at distance almost like cheating and again the optics have great glass for the money. Great video as always keepem coming brother!!!
Great video. Thanks.
I wish the trijicon had the same recital..
I have a 13.7 rifle with a swamp Fox 1 x 10 BDC. Many of my other Scopes are primary arms 1-6 and 4x14 which I love the reticle. But I can't afford that two and a half by 10 but I've been eyeballing they're new one by 10 lpvo because primary arms just has the best reticles.
good stuff man, agree pretty much all around.
I got this and the Credo at the same time because i really wasnt sure which one i was going to end up with. I went into it honestly wanting to end up with the Credo, and while it is a solid optic, i just thought that between the much more useable at low power reticle, and the absurdly generous eyebox, the GLx was a better fit for a scope carbine. Not that the optical quality of the Trijicon was bad, but it just wasnt really enough better. Slightly better color transmission, but meh, i was expecting more. Vastly prefer the GLx turrets, even though i dont really dial them much, but the lock is super nice to have.
One thing i would say about the parallax. I find that if it just stick it at ~250-300, from 50-175 it doesnt really matter enough, from 175-350 its pretty much on, and past that there is enough time to tune if you want to take it. Basically i would say the Credo was doing the same thing, fixed ~300y parallax, but without the ability to tune it when it would be nice. The depth of field did seem a bit wider on the Credo, but not really enough to make a meaningful difference in use.
Would absolutely love to see a ~$1400 PLx version of this from them, built in the same ethos of their new 1-8. Could potentially dominate the MPVO market, which thankfully seems to be getting a little more love lately.
Thatnks for the solid feedback 👍🏻
I got the big brother to this. The 4-16x w/ the Athena BPR reticle. On a 20” set up I just built. I have yet to test it though.
Thank you for the awesome content.
First time I've heard someone complain about having adjustable parallax. If you want it to function like the credo set your parallax @100m and forget it.
That's a heavy ass set up to lug around. Good looking rifle tho. Appreciate the video as always.
These GLx4 2.5-10x44mm Have Fairly High Value + Solid Glass Quality. Excellent Reticles. Awesomely accurate Dials that are both highly accurate AND repeatable Should You So choose to dial in vs hold over. My Griffin Mil Version of the 2.5-10x44mm On a Christensen Arms Ranger 18” Carbon Fiber Barreled .22LR Bolt-Action. As the idea of a suppressed .22LR from 0-300yards to practice shooting fundamentals on the Cheap, or maybe joining a .22LR “Long Range” League Would be dominant as well.
I'd love to see you guys get your hands on a swampfox 2-12 Kentucky long! I can't decide between it, or this one right here.
nightforce 2.5-10 next o.O
I picked up GLX 2.5-10× GRIFFIN MIL ACSS about 18 months ago . I use this optic on my 16" 6ARC . This is my favorite 2-10. I'm also gonna be picking up ATHLON 2-12× ..
GRIFFIN MIL ACSS and ACSS Aurora are my 2 favorite reticles . They dont make the Aurora anymore or at least I think they dont
How do you like th 16 inch 6mm? I haven't found much info about 16's
@@JackAdams41512 12.5" and 16" are my 2 favorite general purpose 6ARC Barrel lengths. My 12.5 can get out to 600 yards absolutely no problem . My 16" gets out to 1/2 mile ( 880 yards ) . I realistically shoot 600 yards and in . That why I dont really shoot my 20" 6ARC all that much .
Since 600 is the max I shoot I do not like longer barrel lengths. 16" is perfect as SPR / RECCE and doubles as nice deer / hogg rig..
12.5 6ARC Velocities
Black 105g BTHP 2435 FPS..
Match 108g ELDM 2420 FPS..
ELDX 103G 2455 FPS..
16" Velocities
Black 105G BTHP 2540 FPS.
Match 108g ELDM 2530 FPS..
ELDX 103G 2555 FPS..
I have not shot my 20" in a while but I'm pretty sure I was at 2660 Fps with Black 105g BTHP.
I've had the best consistency with Black 105g BTHP and that's all I really shoot..
All these velocities are with factory ammo . Hand loaded your probably get 50FPS faster or up too
Awesome thanks for the info. Longest range around me is 700yds.
@@JackAdams41512 16" or 18" would be perfect for 700 yards. If you plan on eventually shooting PRS or any other precision/ LR matches . I would for sure go with 20" or 22" .
BA Premium Black Series 6ARC barrels are probably best bang for your buck . Brownells / Faxon barrels are also pretty solid . Proof is probably one of the better ones unless you go with Custom Barrel . Kenny from Desert precision Gunworks makes the absolute best 6ARC Gas Gun Barrels .
I actually favor the 1in8 twist for 6ARC because IMO it shoots the Black 105g BTHP the best .
Faxon Gunner 6ARC barrels are good if you want Lightweight rig that you can carry around all day . I wouldn't recommend this if you wanna go to the range and squeeze off 50 plus rounds because the barrels gonna get hot pretty quick . My 12" is Faxon Gunner because I wanted Lightweight Recce Rig . I can usually get 10 rounds or so before my accuracy starts opening up .
I have some projects to get buttoned up before I can build a plr..... I will keep the info in mind when I go to start one tho
A chevron with exposed turrets doesn't make sense IMHO. There's no point in dialing at extended range if you have no wind holds in the reticle. PAs Athena reticle would make much better sense in this optic. I sold mine shortly after purchasing. I sacrificed FFP and went with the NF NXS Compact 2.5-10. It has parallax adjustment, the Mil-R reticle which includes a 0.1 increment ranging Mil T grid, and crystal clear glass. Very happy with that decision.
Totally agree. I posted similar post on a different video about this scope. But the Athena reticle isn’t perfect either with those .2 MIL Dots around the center. PA definitely needs to update their reticles.
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Fantastic!
Do the PLx Compact please! 16.9ounces!….I’m holding off on a Razor or a Vudu for more info on the PLx Compact. I wonder about the durability vs the others.
Remember when inflation didn't send everything through the roof. Pepperidge farm remembers. I got this scope for 585 last December.
I know this is a little late but I feel the following is a "good to know".
I went for this set up. I got the glx 2.5-10, the ADM Delta mount (cantilever) and the option ADM picatinny top clamp for the mount. Where I strayed was the dot. Instead of the regular Vortex Sparc I went with the Solar version, figuring it was essentially the same with added solar. I was wrong. The mount/picatinny adapter is slightly different. I have the original sparc on another rifle (luckily) but used the high mount for that one. The difference is that with the original it uses one cross bar/tension screw/bolt. This bolt is the feature that sits in the gap of picatinny. You then tighten it down and it clamps on. The solarw, however, uses two screws and has a machined protrusion that fits into the picstinny slot. The issues was that when the mount was on and in place the two screws did not have clearance to pass through the dots mount as the positive portions of the picatiny top clamp blocked them. There was no way around it. Luckily I still held on to the low mount from the original Sparc and it mated to the solar just fine. Then using the single tension screw was able to mount it just fine to the top clamp picatinny. Just something to think about. Also there is very little if any clearance between the dot housing and the elevation dial. (You shouldn't need to dial anyway, it's a 10x FFP with a mil tree, git gud) but something to note.
Just wanted to get this info out there to anyone that may be interested in this set up.
Great info. I went with an Arken 4-16 for my 18" spr and I've wanted to replace it ever since. Arken is a decent scope for the money, but it's wayyy too heavy and too much magnification for this application. Been trying to decide between Trijicon 2-10 and this Primary Arms. Both are more than 10 ounces lighter than the Arken, but the reticle on the Primary Arms has me sold. Thanks for the review 👍
I'm in the same boat with almost the same rifle haha 18in rifle with a arken and your right it's thiccc. Did you ever replace it? I'm about to jump to a GLX either the Griffin mil 2.5-10 or the 4-16 with the Athena reticle.
Great detailed review, guys. Really putting in the time on trigger👍
Thank you so much for the support! You are awesome
Hey Dude, Great Videos and Content!
Thanks so much!! You sir are awesome
@@barrelandhatchet much love, keep it up! Doing a Great Job!
The Primary Arms GLX 2.5-10x44 optic is more of an SPR optic for me. A GPR optic for my use case is going to be a 1-to-6 or a 1-to-8.
Selling mine to fund a NF scope. Good bang for buck but I think the vortex scopes are better if you don't care about features as much,
@John Basilone hey John! after tying out both NF teirs I ended up going with Vortex. Bang for buck. Not even a razor haha.
Im a cheap guy. what can I say? I liked the PA GLX 2.5-10 a lot but the left knob broke very easily and I know Vortex is a little more tough.
it's a journey 😅 shooting out to 500-700 more but I'm working with a 4MOA shooter/gun/ammo set up. I'm trying to not play "musical optics" and just stick with something.
I've learned I do not like chevron reticles. Give me a nice center dot and I'm a happy camper.
Bruh I need that 2.5x-20x 🤣
It's interesting that you said you weren't that into dialing parallax, when you said the lack of parallax adjustment was the Credo's only real lack. How's the glass compare between the two? Is Trijicon's glass $300 better?
Great question, when we did the credo, we did say that the lack of parallax was something we wished we had, well now that we ran a scope with parallax adjustment, we changed our thoughts on the parallel being needed so a scoped carbine specifically. The target transitions were just so fast, that in order to make those shots, we had to mess with parallax and it slowed you down, or if you didn’t adjust it, caused misses at further distances like 400-600 yards. So it’s something that with the credo, we are now in the opinion of no parallax for a scoped carbine is actually decent.
@@barrelandhatchet how is that the case? On a non-adjustable parallax scope, the parallax is set at the factory at a middle of the road distance. Theoretically you should be able to do the exact same thing on the PA and then not mess with it.
@Andrew Daw Exactly, credo is factory set at 300 I believe
@@barrelandhatchet Have you decided to set the parallax and forget dialing like @andrewdaw6050 suggested?
@@MrRhsmike189 Its set at 100 yards.
Could you guys add a link to the Scope Mount
Just put one of these on my 18 inch ar.
Great video and this magnification range PA is ruling the game. Awesome optic
Thanks for the comment and support and yes it is a great bang for the buck
Correct me if I’m wrong, but adjusting parallax is more of a capability than a negativity. Yes you may have a scope with a set parallax or an adjustable, but what’s the negative of having a scope with adjustable parallax and just leaving it at x.
I really enjoy these longer videos, not a fan of the shorts.
Clear & cheep, didn't get to use it yet but had good experiences with cv through the years 9 woodchuck this year so I might have to wait till more move in🤔
Seems like an awesome scope. I have PA’s 1-8x on my 13.7 GPR but in the future i might pick up this guy for a AR-10 build. Do you think 10x is enough scope for 308?
Plenty. 10x makes objects at 1k yards appear as if they are at 100.
A lot of military .308 bolt guns run a straight 10x
On a 308 semi auto, a 1-10x scope is ideal .
Unfortunately my gen. 1 Steyr AUG has a BUILT-IN 1.5 x scope. Can't be changed.
But my RUGER PC 9 mm carbine (16" barrel) for Steel Challenge competition has a Holosun AEMS circle/dot reticle. IMHO it is the best PCC "red dot" sight.
This is the way 🗿
What do recommend this one or the Trijicon credo 2 x 10?
You don’t “have” to change the parallax adjustment
The fixed parallax scopes are usually set for 100ish yards
If you were to take a quick shot without changing the parallax it would basically be the same as just having a scope without an adjustment
If your eye alignment behind the scope is perfectly consistent then you never need parallax adjustment.
That being said, one of my most embarrassing missed shots in competition was a parallax induced error at 25 yards that threw me completely off target. Granted I was severely extended around a barrier, had my parallax adjusted to max, and I was in the left edge of my eyebox, but I never forgot what parallax was afterwards.
If you had to pick, cost a non issue: PA 2.5-10 or Credo 2-10?
credo 2-10
@@barrelandhatchet hey thanks for the response!
How do you like this compared to the Trijicon Credo?
Also curious
Also was hoping for comparison to the 2-10 Credo
Hey quick question, what height mount do you use with this to clear the LAM?
Gear Qweering intensifies.
Unless something is wildly different about these scopes than anything used in the precision rifle world you shouldn’t really be coming off the gun to check parallax yardage numbers, those are a guideline and aren’t set in stone. I’ve never seen anyone do that at a prs match and they are shooting much further so much more parallax error if you get it wrong. With time you will get a feel for what good parallax looks like, though that is a benefit of scopes that are extremely forgiving for parallax.
Perhaps I’m misunderstanding what you were putting down with that though.
Was wanting to get a 2 ish - 10 style scope for a 13.7 and I’m stuck between the creedo and the glx with the griffin. Was wondering which you all preferred out of the two? I’m fairly new to variable optics and all the vernacular surrounding them especially parallax.
Thanks, Eric! How is the glass clarity and how well does the reticle work with the 14.5” barrel length? I imagine it was designed for 16” or 20” with 72gr ammo.
I've got mine on a 14.5 triarc barrel. Works great
That's the beauty of a Mil reticle. It's not designed for any load or barrel length
@@maker_greg Thanks! How’s the glass clarity? Also, very jealous of that barrel you have..
@@keatonturner2578 clarity is pretty good. It's my first scope so I'm not really a great judge of how it compares to others. I figured with all other things equal a larger objective lens collects more light so it's gonna be better than a lpvo. In the budget range i was in the glx checked all the boxes, so far so good. Gotta take classes now to really learn how to utilize this reticle.
@@maker_greg thanks for the info man! I know their plx line has the Japanese glass that’s supposed to be stellar. Unsure if the glx has the same but it sounds like it’s good to go!
So I came across your trijicon credo review first and then I saw this one. I am in the process of building a 6 mm Arc variant of the mk12 and I'm looking for a nice optic for it. How is the glass quality of this compared to the credo?
Butting in with my unsolicited opinion.
B&H commented on another post and stated that they’d chose the Credo over the GLx, cost not being an issue.
Having been behind both I’d suggest the Credo hands down without question.
Primary Arms Hello Kitty reticles are great.
then set your paralax to 100-125M/Yd
Liking all your vids. Why are you firing with your middle finger?
I picked up the GLX 1-10 bc the 2.5-10 is out of stock. The eyebox is horrendous. Extremely tight. Even at 6x. How would you rate the 2.5-10 eyebox? Figure it’s prob a little better with a larger objective lens.
I just picked up the 2.5-10. Time to compare the 2.
I can’t find the ADM scope mount with the pic rail on top? Help lol
I have been shooting alot of 2-10 scopes over the last two months, Primary Arms, Trijicon and last week Vortec PST . With your bullet grain wait what length and gas system are you running 16in 18in ??
Is the adm mount you’re using the delta c 1.5” or are you using a higher delta mount?
more to feed the algorithm than anything, but:
No, you CAN buy capability. Like night vision or magnified optics. You can NOT buy skills.
4:06 what’s with the paintball trigger?
During the filming of this video Eric cut his trigger finger really bad on glass, so he was using his middle finger to shoot for about 3 weeks
So this vs the credo, which do you prefer?
what kind of shoulder harness are you running?
Dude shooting with his middle finger? Never seen that before but if it works it works 🤷♂️
how do you mount the red dot to the delta mount?
How do you think this would do in a 1.93 mount? I was looking at the plxc but it’s never in stock and that extra further magnification is kinda nice. And is it possible to run a side mount dot in a hanger mount or are the knobs and objective lens to big?
I’d suggest a 1.425” and mounting over the the top. Whether you are running NODs or are firing supported from a platform, I find the piggyback is superior for a heavier or more precision oriented rig.
You can run a 1.93” mount with no issue, but I personally feel you are losing the benefit of a more solid cheek weld and are needlessly elevating your optic plane above the bore.
Either way I’d suggest looking at a Griffin Armament SPRM mount, it will give you the option to run piggy-back, 45°, or 90° in a bombproof mount.
Should I get the PA 2.5X10 or the Athlon 2X12 for my 18" GPR/SPR build??
I'd prefer the lower 2X and the higher 12X.... but so many people really seem to dig this GLX scope... my rifle shoots sub MOA at 600 yards, so I really want to take advantage of this capability of precision shots inside of 600 yards.... my goal is to never be in an under 50 yard "battle" scenario, but I'd want the ability to use the scope if that unlikely scenario occurred..... I definitely don't want an lpvo because I want parallax adjustments for clearer shots past 200 yards....
What's your recommendation?
Butting in with my unsolicited opinion.
Assuming you are talking about the PA GLx and Athlon Helos BTR.
I’ve been behind both, both are good performers inside of their price range. You won’t notice the 0.5x difference on the low end or the extra 2x at the high end, but the clarity and eyebox on the PA GLx is noticeably better. To me the extra clarity provides a noticeable improvement to PID and overall long range utility than the extra 2x on the Athlon.
I can’t comment on the accuracy of either’s adjustments or parallax.
Despite often being referred to as “side focus”, parallax adjustments have nothing to do with focusing the image (that’s adjusted at the diopter), they are for transposing the reticle over the same focal plane as the target image. If your parallax is not adjusted correctly you can still shoot accurately with consistent head positioning, but the capacity for parallax error is increased. Generally speaking the greatest capacity for parallax error exists at closer ranges under 200yds.
@woodrowcall3158 thanks for the input.... I was wondering how much better 2X on the low end would be over the 2.5X, and I was also thinking maybe it's better to have the extra magnification with the 12X.... but, if it's truly not noticeable, maybe I will in fact go with the Primary Arms.... I'd definitely rather but American made ..
Thanks again
PRS has ruined shooting due to over penetration of cover. example. Shooting from inside a building, if you stick your weapon out the window or hang it out the window, you will get attention you don't want. Shoot from inside the building. If your rifle is too heavy drop weight so you can hold it.
Trijicon Creedo actually cost twice as much
I’d buy the Credo again.
Is the Vortex Sparc viable under NVG?
Great scope. Super bummed I got the raptor instead of the griffin (although I got a good deal)
I’ve had it for 2 years and I’m still bummed about it
Was actually going to get the raptor. Why do you prefer the griffin
@@JlKaz1 the raptor will do the job, but you have to play around quite a bit with your zero distance and the ballistics of your load to get the reticle to perform as it’s “supposed” to.
The griffin allows for mil corrections and allows for a higher degree of accuracy
@@kshatriyacowboy_ word. Stupid question but do u feel that they r reliable. This'll be my first lvpo and I just want something I can depend on.
@@JlKaz1 this one is an mpvo, lpvo’s begin at 1x magnification. So far it’s held up fine, I think it’s good value for the price
@@kshatriyacowboy_ word thanks mang
What chest rigs are those??
what mount do you have the vortex on?
Adm
Dig the channel, dig the content. The general consensus in the community is leaning towards the current rigs you're running, in relation to the content you're producing. *"Barrel & Hatchet"* is a kewl name, but why not keep the name only in principle, and drop the dumb a$$ tomahawk, and carry something actually practical like a boys axe, preferably something swedish? I'm obviously nitpicking, but as someone that's done SERE work for a decade, everytime I see a tomahawk I cringe. They're the highpoint of edged tools. If you were to show up to a SERE class with a hawk on your pack you'd be roasted all weekend. They're equatable to a pistol caliber carbine with a 18 inch barrel. It's obviously irrelevant and I'm being a petty betch, but everytime I see your cutscenes looking Gucci in the jungle, it's ruined by that dumb a$$ tool. Drop the hawk, and pickup a small forest (I think they're equally as gimmicky, but infinitely more capable). If size end weight is a concern I have a 1000g Basque I'd be willing to ship, just so long as you never post tomahawk related scene ever again, lol. It's a highly desireable, hand crafted slip fit axe; like a tomahawk. There's only one man on the planet producing them, for a company that's hundreds of years old. He's in his 90's, and will be retiring shortly, making the basques impossible to come by. They're regarded as the standard. Due to makers age the quality has started to slip, but I have several from a decade ago. Just tak it, and post a video burning that damn tomahawk...
I'm a 2-10x fanboi as well, ever since I regrettably sold my NF years ago, I've been searching for a good compromise. Would you recommend this over the Trijicon? I've been using my mk4 back and forth on my DMR's, but it really is a sht optic.
I think I sold your shop an FNC a few months ago via GunBroker. Does that ring a bell? I'm 99% sure it was "triple A," and it was a shop in Florida.