The smallest 1-8 LPVO in the market! Primary Arms 1-8 PLX Compact LPVO
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- Опубліковано 16 жов 2024
- In this Hatchet Cast Episode, Eric & Roy discuss the Primary Arms 1-8 PLX Compact. This version of the PLX was run with the ACSS Griffin Mil Reticle. In this video we talk about what makes this optic great and also some things that noticed that we would have preferred differently. Join us as we dive into this new and exciting optic from Primary Arms. Intro video was edited by RETRODIGITALMEDIA!!
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Couple of things. Good review. You send mixed messages on the glass when you say the 8x ain't great and gets fuzzy, but then say the glass is good later. The NF ATACR is also daylight bright like the Razor Gen III/II, maybe more so. I liked that you brought up how thick the stadia and reticle is at 8x, because it's something I've learned myself going out to your range. Personally, I've found 1-8s need to be in a 34mm tube to maintain clarity and function as intended. The 1-8s in 30mm tubes all suffer at the low end or the top end. It's cool to have a light weight 1-8 if it does everything well enough, but none of the 30mms do.
Maybe the 17oz 1-8 FFP shouldn't be the goal so much as the 12oz 1-6 SFP
First off I want to say that I 100 percent agree about the 34 mm tube for LPVO’s. Having more eye box does make a huge difference with clarity and function. To clear up the confusion, on the 8X. It is a 4 out of 10 in terms of clarity of target picture, due to the fixed parallax with the LPVO. The 1x is fantastic, however, some thing we have seen with all LPVO systems, is, it is a jack of all trades and a master of none. But totally agree with your entire comment.
Friendly advice. Have your video editor make each of those DJI mic feeds into stereo across both the left and right speakers. Listening on a phone doesn't matter but computer or car speakers it's not great.
Plxc- 1-8 is my favorite lpvo so far. I’ve had a razor,steiner, and sai 1-6 and this tops them all so far.
Are you me? I've also owned a razor and Steiner, I prefer the PLXc. I literally sold all my other lpvos once I got the PLXc.
How do you like it compared to your razor 1-6? I love my razor 1-10 but I'd love to try this lpvo out I'm just worried that it won't be bright enough at 1X compared to my razor.
Same
@@samhinnant4416the 1-8x is absolutely usable in mine. The 1-10x doesn’t really lend itself to running it at 10x.
@@samhinnant4416the razor 1-6 is still VERY nice. The clarity is good but this 1-8x is actually better clearer glass. And it’s usable through the entire range
New to your channel. You guys sound solid, fair and thorough, genuin, and will watch when I can. Special thanks for the way you don't ruin your videos with annoying background music.
The nightforce NX8 exists in the same space here, the best out of those is the capped model with the new reticle, barely over 17 oz, just under 9" long.
Also March 1-8, and 1-10. Similar weight and size, but with parallax adjustment, and a dual focal plane on the 1-10, which helps in terms of not needing daylight bright illumination on 1x.
In reference to the scarcity of actual true daylight bright LPVOs; the NIGHT FORCE ATACR 1-8 is one the few out there that is actually TRUE daylight bright. It’s even brighter than the Vortex Razor gen 3 1-10.
I have the Atacr and Razor. They are both good to go.
I have the ATACR 1-8 and I concur. I also run an Acro P2 on an Arisaka 45 degree offset. I likek the offset better than mounting on top of the LPVO because I don’t have to break cheekweld.
I know the price point is different, but would you say the nightforce atacr is that much better than the Plxc?
@@victoe5780 Yes imo
On what bright setting? My gen3 razor on 7 is bright enough on a summer day and any higher it blomes and is to bright for a completely sunny day.
I ordered the PLXc 1-8 NOVA. My first LPVO. Can’t wait to try it.
Love this channel. The visuals, the different perspectives, overall delivery - great. 👍 Definitely changed my mind and opened my mind to a lot of things on a more realistic and reasonable application.
Thanks guys. Great overview.
Glad you feel better, Roy👍
Great video guys. Your findings are similar to mine. Any scope that exceeds 6x total zoom is a compromise.
You said it perfectly! Great for someone who is more into shorter distances 300 meters or in that would like a bit of magnification … for me that and the recticle make this what im saving up for .
I have the Meters BDC, definitely think its the best reticle of the 3 having seen the Yards BDC
I just backordered one of those myself a few hrs ago. Seemed to be the least busy reticle while still offering a lot of capability. Hopefully when I get it in a month or so it lives up to the expectations.
Same
@@Addictedtosteel Ditto on the meter reticle. I backordered it like many other shooters did. Be glad when PA sends notice the compact is in.
Primary arms does have the 1-6x NOVA with a daytime bright reticle.
Love the short (sub-25min) vids. East to put on in the car!
I bought the 1-8 PLx before they made it compact, and I love it. It replaced my "spr" gun
Why wouldn't you get an MVPO instead of an LVPO if you plan to mount an offset red dot sight? You will get much better magnification for a cheaper price just not having the 1x and the 1x isn't as good since LVPO's are all fixed parallax versus a red dot. So why bother with 1x on an LVPO if you are going to use a RDS? Better off getting a 2-10x if you mount an offset dot it will be cheaper and have better glass for the price.
Do you happen to know of any MPVOs that compare with plx’s weight and footprint? The weight, glass quality, and reticle are what’s selling it for me, haven’t been able to find anything that matches it’s capability for its size.
Great video. Your take mirrors my experience with that fat chevron in the glx 2.5-10.
I put glx 2.5-10x on my kel tec rdb
PA really knocked it out of the park with this one. Amazing optic.
Y'all are killing it with the videos, keep it up!
I have a razor 1-6 gen ii e on my 11.5” URGI. I’m setting up a 14.5” now and I really like the razor but I kind of want a more useful reticle when I do step up the magnification.
I still want to prioritize 1x and I don’t care so much about being daylight bright. I’ve given the choice to have it bright or not I’d prefer bright. But I don’t need it.
I’m kind of between this and the khales k18i-2.
Leupolds vx6HD 1-6 does the Lpvo pretty well. I wonder why it’s never mentioned
I run the meter version with the exposed dial. I can live without a zero stop but i wish the dial could lock. It's kinda stiff but it's still possible to bump
Thank you 😊
I have a Leopold 1-4, not my favorite but works I guess
Love the new set up guys
The glass looked hella fuzzy in your video but every other one I seen of this scope is Vortex Razor clear. I wonder what the difference is?
Got the stereo right. Nice work!
It's not the smallest. The MARCH-F Shorty 1-8 is 8.4 inch long. Almost a full inch shorter.
“That’s what she said”
For about almost 3 times the cost. Still want tho
Isn’t it a 1-10x
@@EmpTy-kf2rq 1-10 with parallax adjustment
@@Boon20 bingo!
@primaryarms
Make a LPVO with these qualities and will be an absolute game changer:
1. Same excellent 1x
2. Same size and weight
3. Aimpoint bright!!
4. Top magnification of 4x! That is plenty and will help eyebox / scope performance. Magnification wars of LPVOs are losing sight of what the purpose is to the detriment of the performance.
5. Less busy reticle. Preferably the horseshoe with bdc drops. Leupold CM-R2 is about perfect.
6. Capped turrets
7. Clear cross hairs like the schmidt and bender
8. Oh yeah and must be FFP
Less busy reticle= lower hit ratio
@@1lostinspace slower hit ratio
@@dentron2 What is a slower hit ratio ? At 1x you don’t even see the grid. All this has been tested to death
Precision at distance this thing really shines against its comp imo. Chevron is sharp and defined allows for pin point accuracy vs covering a target with a dot
I have one and love it, but that take is confusing considering at ranges past 100 you would be using the BDC, no?
@@HotelBravo556 I prefer to dial vs using the BDC.
"Covering a target with a dot". That is the main reason I ordered it. Hate that dot.
@@rphash49 dialing a lpvo? lol no
@@1lostinspace I run this on a 6mm ARC build and I shoot out to 700yds so yes I dial. In general I would agree dialing on a lpvo is silly. On this optic it comes with an optional exposed dial and the glass is very clear out to distance. + The BDC isn't optimized for 6mm ARC which would result in me holding between hash marks. Example: 700yds would require I hold between 6.5 and 7 on the BDC which would not be optimal
Vortex PST 1-6 and Steiner P4xi are red dot bright.
When your RD goes past your LPVO.... You have this 🇺🇲
Great content guy. Thank you.
2.5 -10 For the $$$ 👍🏽 But I think I want this optic for my 13.7 Mutt build as well. $3k for both + Mounts. Maybe for Christmas
I bought this optic for my Q MiniFix 300 blackout bolt gun.
My only gripe with my PLXc is that the chevron should be a dot and just a tad bit bigger than the mil dots below it
I just want say, I Fucking Love, Love my PLxC 1-8x Raptor M8. Awesome piece of glass & it certainly F**Ks Hard on the 13.9” I tossed it on.
Nice analysis, made alot of original points other videos haven't mentioned.
This is a fantastic review
I like the PLX C. I especially like the price. Brighter illumination would be better IMO. Comparison to other shorty:
March-F 1x-8x24mm Shorty is the world’s lightest and shortest scope with 8 magnification ratio. The length is only 212mm(8.4 inch) and the weight is only 460g(16.23oz) but at the same time the performance still remains the same as D8V24FIML. (Note: 1-10 is about the same price.)
Improving on its predecessor, the fully redesigned PLx 1-8x24mm FFP Compact Rifle Scope has a 9.28-inch OAL and weighs only 16.95 oz.
March-F D8SV24FIML / Primary arms PLxC:
8.4 inch OAL / 9.28 OAL
16.23 oz / 16.95 oz
~$3000 / $1305
Great review.
Q1: Once zero is achieved @100 and all manipulation needed can be done with redical, is not having a Zero Stop necessary?
Q2: Is a Red Dot needed wirh this redical?
It’s always good to make sure that you never take away capability, so having a zero stop even though you may plan on using the reticle to hold for your different targets is still a good option to have in your toolbox. Also having a top red dot is a good backup citing system as well as allows you to passively aim with Night Vision or a gas mask However, with that being said, the one X on the scope is probably one of the best 1X power settings we have ever seen
@barrelandhatchet Thanks for getting back to me. I'm old school Marine Grunt (open sights) Era. I'm learning scopes because my eyesight ain't what it was and I get agitated when those in this community talk over the average persons head to sound knowledgeable to their peers.
I like you guys.
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Nx8 1-8 is half and inch shorter but half and ounce heavier... very close comparison. But i think the eye box on the plx c may be way better than the nightforce
The eye box is indeed way better. The NX8 1-8 is garbo.
Lol the capped NX8 is the best LPVO on the market.
@@dcskating08 no sir. Horrible eyebox on the nx8 compared to primary arms new compact
Btw how would you compare the KAC FF RAS heat dissipation to newer and more slim gucci MLOK stuff or other quads like the RIS II?
Intro was 🔥 🔥 🔥
Good stuff boys
Primary arms needs to make this scope with the Nova reticle
You guys know of any higher mag scopes you’d recommend 3-15/18x that are short enough for an AR? It just seems like LPVOs sacrifice too much for 1x and it’s never that great just go with a RDS.
Vortex Razor LHT 3-15x for a 2nd focal plane lightweight (19.1oz) scope with a minimal BDC reticle w/ illumination. You'll have to bump up to the 4.5-22x for a 1st focal plane.
Leupold mk5 3.6-18
March 1.5-15x is 10.6 inches long and 21oz. Probably the smallest MVPO on the market.
Nightforce has both a small package, 17oz, clean mil reticle, and aimpoint bright illumination in the nx8, yet everyone hates on it.
Have heard the eyebox is noticeable better in the PA. 🤷🏻♂️ The PA 8x eyebox seems very picky to me, so the NX8 must be terrible…?
People in general compare it to the atacr 1-8 and I believe they are entirely unfair to the nx8 1-8
@@newerest1 is the actar that much better ? Is it god tier lol
@@JGoodZX6R the PA only gets picky at 7-8, and even then less so. But the NX8 is horribly tight throughout, and borderline unusable at 8.
@@shihster88 comparing the main issues of the nx8 vs atacr, yes. The eyebox of the atacr is flat out nice. It weighs significantly more. Pick your poison I guess.
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To me, on an LPVO, especially on the PA, I am not concerned with the illuminated reticle during the day. In fact I prefer *not* to use it during the day. Night time on an LPVO is when it becomes money. I try not to under think or over think things. There are pros and cons to everything in life, and even balance requires compromise of some type.
What’s the name of the gold mount you guys used ?
“Just over 9”… so it’s not incredibly long”
Way to kill my self esteem guys… 😭
What's the best reticle for an AR 10 .308 if I'm just looking for easy and simple to use; BDC, MOA or MIL. My local range is 100 yards. I'm looking at PA and Swampfox LVPOs. Thanks
Just my opinion, if your not going for “precision” and just want a good dependable reticle that can put shots on target quickly and at different distances than I would get BDC, otherwise I would get MIL. Nothing wrong with MOA but I’m starting realise how much more potential MIL has over MOA at longer distances. I have a PA 2.5-10 GLX on my AR10 and my 18” AR-15. I also used a 1-6 LVPO from PA. I’m a pretty much a PA fanboy and their BDC reticles are pretty good (they can be in MIL or MOA). I’ve had leupold, Vortex (poortex), Swampfox, and PA. And except for my gucci Leupold, I love PA. I also really appreciate their mission statement as a company as well. In the end you gotta do the research and decide for yourself 😊
@T Henny awesome. Thanks for the info
combative ACSS Griffin or Raptor, shooting paper anything will do
@@1lostinspace thank you
Stereo for the audio, please 🙏🏻. 🤙🏻 Appreciate the reviews
They need to develop a dual focal plane like the March scopes.
Front focal or first focal? And the optic is not level.
what is the shirt you are wearing in the b roll
I just wish Roy would let Eric finish a point without interrupting him
What’s the Primary Arms discount code?
The March shorty is a 1-10, 17oz, dual focal plane, and shorter... Also, far more expensive, but some may think it's worth it.
What bipod brand would y’all recommend for a 14.5 GPR type set up?
I went with a Midwest industries 1913 rail qd mounts for Harris bipod and a different qd mount for an atlas. I am also curious on what they would recommend but for me I like both bipods.
A true 1x is overrated. Once you get magnification factors above 4 the eye box degrades so quickly. 6 or 8 are usable. 10 pretty bad. I’d take a bit of a crappy 1x or even a 1.5-2x low end to get better eyebox at max.
How is the Griffin too thick its a .30 cut like any other reticle, who dials in lpvos lol
Small is great but if clarity sucks then it's pointless
Personally I dont do scopes on my AR15s I deem them a battle rifle, and a red dot is more than adequate. This said I have a Wilson combat AR that its accuracy could put it as a DMR, but my personal take is if im running an optic, i am pushing it out past 300 yards i dont want a LVPO and going to a traditional optic.
I understand the want for PID, but again, I do not point my weapon at anything i do not intend to destroy.
I have binos on my rig for that very thing, if its hostile and i have the time to discern if its a viable target or not, I will not point the weapon to indentify.
I really didn’t want to leave a negative comment but the guy on right constantly interrupting was driving me crazy. Great info overall.
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I think my PLX-c 1-8x is the best scope on the market for the money PERIOD
I know his is a little off topic, personally I would like to know where the firearms industry, gets their statistics for budget pricing, because I do not know about y'all, but where I live $100. is allot of money and not easy to come by, I would end up in a divorce, if I were to spend $1k or more for an optic...
Please don’t take this the wrong way, but if $100 is a lot of money to you in 2023 you need to figure out a way to make more money. I’m not saying you need to spend $1k on an optic, but damn man that mentality of accepting being poor makes me sad.
9.25 is massive to me
Ninjas don't like locking in for 8x 609 yard shoots. They think u should be running with ur head off the stock picking 30 head shoots with 30 trigger pulls.lol😂 respect .
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Have you guys seen the Scope Switch? Seems like a really cool mount for LPVOs, expensive but really cool.
I thought it was interesting till I saw the price tag.
@Rob yeah it's a lot, as the product develops, we may see gen2 versions that are priced a little lower. I think the price is not too bad when you consider that it includes a scope mount. I say all this with the caveat of as long as it proves to be a quality product.
Very cool concept. I’m excited to see others come out with products to rival it to help prices come down a little. Id definitely be interested if it was priced a bit better.
I caught tetanus just from looking at that car @ about 8:00 in. 😂
Hahahahah it’s brand new whatcha talking about?
Custom speed holes!
Bro I love this channel but I’m so sick of Roy constantly cutting Eric off like bro he is talking and dude staying cutting him off like we trying to hear what he has to say without you butting in like it’s nothing 10 plus times a vid. Bro is literally not conscious at all
I don’t care who loves Primary Arms Optics/LPVO’s and their reticles. Their lines are FAR too THICK ((Thiccc)) and way too busy vs sizing and layout. They really need to clean them up bc they are NOT for the serious end user or professional.
lmao, all the ACSS line comes from the school house and actual combat input
But some of us prefer the thicker lines. I've found in low light I can shoot better with thicker reticle lines then thin lines that disappear completely
Of course a decent 2-10 is going to outperform a 1-8 in precision work. Thats a stupid comparison. How about comparison to other 1-8s?
The night force is 8.7in long I like the March 8.4 but is out of my wallet.
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Buys a 1-10 with true 1x, runs a reddot on top so you dont have to use 1x.........
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The piggyback sight is for passive aiming, aka for NODs/NVGs.
@GhostlierQ82 I could see this for competition, but why wouldn't you just run a magnified eotech with a flip to side magnifier for nods? It just seems impractical outside of competition where go from 200 yards to 25.
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That's a great question.
What is boils down in my opinion is a compromise between daytime and nighttime shooting, where you want good positive identification capabilities out to some distance during daylight.
That set-up is completely dependant on your particular needs, of course, like everything else.
@@GhostlierQ82 Fair enough, it just seems like a compromise all the way around instead of situation built.
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The optic is way to busy.
Vortex strike eagle ffp 1-8x review when?
I have the SE FFP 1-8x and the PA PLXc 1-8x. PA is obviously nicer quality overall and clearer glass. But I’m still undecided if it’s nearly 3x the price better. I don’t think it is honestly. 8x eyebox seems more finicky on the PA. My biggest complaint is if your head isn’t dead center, parts of the reticle seem to drag/double/blur. I notice it mostly on the vertical ranging bars, although it occurs throughout the reticle. Back it to 7x and it’s not present. Awesome 1x. Gripes on SE: weight. At 24oz, it’s noticeably heavier. Clean reticle at 8x though/no reticle “dragging”. BDC lines up great with what I’m shooting. Hopeful Vortex puts out a lightweight PST Gen 3 with reticles similar to the EBR-9 offerings with something like the user configurable turrets PA did. I have my elevation turret exposed on my PLXc.
@@JGoodZX6R thank you! Everyone I've talked to has said shit like "bro obviously the pa is better" and there is no coherent response as to if it was worth 3x the money
$410 at AR15 discounts right now.
@JGoodZX6R I just got that email. Unfortunately I'm a little too poor to buy rn
for $1500 you might as well find an NX8 on sale, smaller, lighter, red dot bright illumination. just sayin…
We actually may do a review on the NX8
@@barrelandhatchet night force has a generous military/LE/first responder discount program too. there is a bit of a wait though, I ended up waiting about 4 months before mine shipped out.
Where 2048
I'll pass
Great content! New viewer…just subscribed!
You guys mentioned not knowing another LPVO that’s smaller and also said not many other lpvo’s are truly daylight bright. I know it has its shortcomings…but the Nightforce NX8, 1x8 is both smaller/lighter and absolutely daylight.bright.
Not really. It’s almost identical in length and weight. But the bigger picture of the nightforce that I actually chose this over the NF. Is the bezel around the eye piece
Almost disappeared vs the chunky bezel
On the nightforce optics. I do love the NF though
$1500?! For a primary arms 1-8. Hell no I can get a Vortex 1-8 or a swampfox for half that.
This is a platinum series with jap glass. It’s top shelf.
@@e7tegt503 It's funny how people shy away from PA platinum optics. It's half the cost of a vortex razor with the same glass.
Swamp fox lol
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