Once I saw this comment that said “the biggest historical inaccuracy that Disney has ever committed is portraying Zeus as a happy family man” and that gets me every time
@@wise_girl9388 the way you say it makes Hera sound super interesting, jsksjsk. I’m not very versed in Greek mythology, tho, so I’m sure it’s not as fun as I imagine:(
@@demint5664 so, Hera is a very interesting mythological figure, but not in a heroic way. she was forced to marry her brother Zeus (f*cking d*psh*t motherf*cker) and had three children with him: Hephaistos, Ares, and Hebe. Unlike other gods, she didn't sleep with literally everyone in the world, she stayed relatively loyal to Zeus. Hera agreed to marry Zeus since after he was rejected for the 100th time, he took the form of a small bird in a storm so she would pity him and bring him within her chambers; when she did so, he changed back into a human and raped her. She felt impure due to that event, so she finally agreed to marry him. She's also known for taking revenge on literally every single lover Zeus had (she was somewhat justified): she turned one into a bear, another into a cow (indirectly), and made a large serpent chase a woman in labor for two years. There is so much to talk about, but unfortunately, I have to go. Yeah, i suggest you read her wiki page or something, she's interesting.
like it or hate it, Disney's Hercules did do something right. they managed to summarize about 90% of Greek mythology with 5 simple words "-and then along came Zeus"
*GASP* and then the cyclopes created his thunderbolts for him because of the Titans keeping them locked somewhere (idk where) because either they forgot or thought they were too ugly (not joking) like their parents and also the Titans and the Cyclopes are technically siblings because Gaea (mother) and Ouranous (the fuck do you think) had babies but like technically Ouranos was Gaea’s son that she had with herself cos the only other living beings were Tartarus (a pit) and Chaos (the thing that happened when Earth wasn’t around but is still around just sleeping) so that’s incest but so are the Kronos (the leader of the Titans) and Rhea (the mother) who are brother and sister and THEN after they have children (the gods) the children also have children with themselves who sometimes do the same thing but not really so I guess all I’m saying is that you’re not summarising it not even a little ok ill go now.
You could in fact ascribe nearly every Greek myth to the moniker: "and Zues beheld a *insert literally every known and unknown organism in the universe* and was rendered instantly smitten!"
@@Kongstudios2 It was a plot twist when Zeus decided _not_ to bang someone! (Thetis, a nereid who both Zeus and Poseidon fell in lust with, but who was prophesied to bear a son stronger than his father, so they passed her off to some wimpy Thessalian king.)
LOL Good point. Hercules is more memorable. That is the Roman version though. The Greek version is Heracles. So this love child is named after the wife. The wife being named Hera. That is memorable. Hera tormented Heracles a whole lot in the origional myth. In the Disney version, Hades gets the antagonist role instead.
The thing that gutted me the most about Hades never realising that Hercules wasn't dead all those years is the fact that he is literally the God of the underworld - The place where dead people go. If ANYONE should know when someone's dead, it should be him! Like did he just never look around and think "hey, has anyone seen Herc?"
I'm pretty sure there are a few others more qualified to know who has and has not died than Hades. He ruled the whole realm not just the dead people. And there were other gods in the Underworld: Hecate, Charon, Thanatos, Zagreus (son of Hades), Macaria (daughter of Hades), and the Keres (1 of 5 terrors of war and goddesses of violent death), just to name a few. Given the way Hades wanted Hercules to die in the movie, i.e. violently, I'd say the Keres and Charon would be more likely to know if he was actually dead. Or maybe Thanatos, the god that personified death himself would have known. In short, you can't put all the blame on Hades. He's a busy guy and aparently everyone forgets the gods that aren't Olympians or Hades (no, he's not an Olympian).
@@wopachop4582 Most people forget about the minor deities. A similar argument turned my mythology class a few semesters ago into a full on debate between me (a Pagan who has been taught about these deities and how to show them the respect they deserve and was taking that class for an easy A) and the other 20-somthing students before the professor arrived. Awesome thing about that was that the professor let the debate go on for the first half hour of class before telling the class that I was right and starting her lecture on archetypes. (Edited for spelling)
yeah, I mean hades had an objective and faults, herc was just strong and that's that but I really love the music and style, it's definitely the best thing in this movie
One thing I always found unique about this was that Meg appears to be older than Hercules. How many Disney movies have a romance with a female character who is older than the guy?
hothotheat3000 I never thought about her being older - sure she definitely had at least one relationship before Herc. But now that you mention it, he's barely 18, so I could see her being one or more years older. Though I can't tell if she’s mature because she’s older, or she just acts/is that mature regardless of age.
i've always thought meg could be pretty old, because hades would've kept her 'immortal' as long as he had her soul, and they seemed to have been working together for a while.
I loved megra she wasn't your typical "princess trope" she was very scorned and imperfect she really stands out because she had a relationship that broke her heart prior to Hercules, she was not as virtuous as other disney princesses and did everything for self preservation... even her character design was far different. Megra doesn't value integrity and shows the different side of the coin. A very human transcendic side.
She was the only positive thing in the movie and idk how they pulled it of but she remidns me a lot of the earlier Greek 60s -70s movies we had with very feisty heroines (albeit in nowadays lense pretty sexist), which is in a way a lot how Greek women tend to be or seemed to be to foreign visitors at the time. The more liberated ones at least. Like Stella or Never on Sunday, to me she's the only thing and only one who is even remotely "fatihfull"
But he never equated those. He literally never mentions either of them. He's only ever annoyed by fame, and that for a split second of a montage and the painting scene, and he doesn't even acknowledge money to any degree. That's the disconnect. The writers knew that _the audience_ equated worthiness with fame and wealth, and they hoped we'd just transfer our own valuations over to the character. But they don't.
But for that plot to work out he needed to want or either perceive fame and fortune as "acceptance", but he never does seek out fame, he quit literally says he hates it right after the montage scene.
But even THIS point was mega weak in the movie. First they make a huge deal about his clumsiness and then the acceptance part never becomes a thing again
As far as Hades not knowing Herc was alive for 18 years, I could buy the argument that Hades is a god and immortal, therefore, 18 years might actually not be a terribly long amount of time for him.
that makes more sense at least but the movie frames it like killing Herc is his main thing. You'd think he'd be staring at the portal to the underworld waiting for a baby.
I just rewatched Hercules and I think I finally realized why I loved it as a kid. Its not a history lesson, not a serious moral. Its just trying to have fun, which is what I'm looking for at the end of the day. But I've heard talk of a live-action remake and I'm pretty concerned they'll try to make it more "accurate" and "serious." At that point you're taking away the only thing Hercules has. I don't exactly watch that movie for the great plot lol
I think thats why in my eyes like with modern movies and shows from nowadays they get more flamed then when movies like Hercules came out, cause as a good example, when Netflix created their documentary film Cleopatra it got absolutely dunked, why?? Because the movie was being outright racist and hostile towards an entire fucking country, in that movies case thats why it and other medias portraying mythology and history nowadays get attacked and rightly so, but with Hercules, its not trying to be super super serious and is just trying to have fun with the ideas that it is basing itself on, and sure maybe some would say about how the movie had a whole song about the gospel and how everything that was told was the truth, but to that I say, they don't remind you of it like every 2 seconds how THIS is how the story went and how THIS was actually what happened without providing historical proof and shit
Hercules was my fav disney movie as a kid, at the time little redhead me thought he wanted to be Hercules. Looking back as a card carrying homosexual, that little twunk was one of my first crushes.
I could never figure out why i don't like the movie then i realized that Hercules was voiced by Til Schweiger??! Who's idea was that?? anyway once i watched the english version i really liked it hahhahaha
I'd actually like to make an argument about the "Want vs Need" section. While it does handle it clumsily, I feel that his 'want' is addressed more than you let on. His strength and abnormalities from his mortal peers, as well as finding out he was adopted, are what left him feeling like he didn't belong, so his want was to find where he was 'supposed' to belong. He finds out that he was born a god, meaning he must only 'belong' on olympus, and so he sets out to regain his godhood and join his father Zeus. The movie is spent with him trying to chase this idea of a 'hero' in various ways, training, doing rescues, defeating monsters, becoming adored and admired by the masses, attaining wealth and status, ect. Solely to try to get to the place and fit the standards of the places he feels he Must belong. Then in the finale, through his sacrifice for Meg, he meets the 'true hero' standard and regains his godhood, allowing him to finally 'belong' in olympus. But he rejects olympus and his godhood after realizing he never Needed to go to olympus, what was important about being a 'true hero' was not meeting the standards to attain godhood, but to save a woman he loved, because it was with her, a person he cared for and could be honest and vulnerable with, that he truly Belonged. So I would say his 'want', to belong, did feed into his 'need'.His want to 'belong', due to his strength and outsider-ness, led him to believe he Must become a god and return to olympus, and in his pursuit of that goal he realized his 'need', to become a 'true hero' not to achieve 'belonging' in olympus, but to save the person he Truly belonged with, not because of his strength or his heroism but because of who he was. Again, the movie didn't execute this...... super well, and it leads to some more weirdness with the celebrity endorsement angle, but it IS there!!
As a kid in the 90s, this message resonated with me really well. I was always impressed by how Hercules decided to become mortal and be with Meg. That’s where he belonged. That’s the distance he was always searching for. The film is a bit too fast paced, we needed more time to feel during Meg’s death and I definitely feel that she should have died before Hercules fights off the titans. This would have made the fight way more a vengeful and serious rather than comedic which could have been a brilliant lead up to him realising that revenge wasn’t the answer and then chooses to sacrifice himself for Meg. This is what was really missing from this film to become a masterpiece in my eyes. Nevertheless, I always felt that the arcs were really well done regardless and for kids (or at least for me), the message resonated really well. Plus, Meg’s character is super interesting, the most complex female character up to that point and that is so refreshing too. Hercules is a great Disney Renaissance film and one of the most fun on a rewatch, just not to the same level of quality as the early DR films or Mulan.
>being an insufferable 12 year old who is mad that the movie was unfaithful to Greek mythology I don't like how you're personally attacking me like this.
Coming from the girl who started using Egyptian hieroglyphics to pass notes in class at about 12 (litterally just for fun not to gossip or cheat.)....I feel you and will gladly stand up and yell "hey....Not cool" with you. I figure every one of us that fell in love with and obsessed over an ancient culture at an "unusually" young age need to stick together lol 😂😂😂 💚😎😎
@@theAngryscotman Look, man. Greece is a big place. They weren't very good at making maps. Just getting to Troy in the first place, at the start of the war, was a whole-ass ordeal. Not to mention Poseidon hated the guy. Odysseus had a rough one aight
@@theAngryscotman lol I know; just giving some more details. I've taken a lot of classes on greek and roman mythology so I'm always anxious to share when it's relevant! You'd be surprised how useful it in in other literary/film analysis courses, actually!
Jason Avery while he saves more, he does this uncaring and fairly cold. That's what you may expect from a darker version of Batman or other heroes, but not supes
I had no idea Thief and the Cobbler was ripped off by Aladdin. I simply knew it was in production purgatory for EONS. But growing up, it was one of my favorite movies to watch and it made me so happy to know that a certified animated movie critic legend knows about it.
I didn't realize either until I found out that some animators who worked on the Cobbler had a falling out with Dick Williams and went to work for Disney. The falling out wasn't unprecedented as Dick was a notoriously strict boss who accepted nothing less than utmost dedication and perfection. But coincidentally, just a couple of years after these animators left for Disney, a perfect time for an animation to be made, Aladdin dropped. Hmmmmm
I remember not liking Meg when I first saw the movie because I was like, "That's not how a Disney princess is supposed to act!" But now that I'm all growed up, she's hands down my favorite and her exclusion from the Disney Princess mafia is a terrible snub.
@Iwatchkittenvids45 Nor are Mulan, Moana, Ariel or Pocahontas. Also so many are only princesses by marriage: Snowhite: Tiana, Cinderella, and Belle. The only ACTUAL princesses are Jasmine, Aurora and Rapunzel.
11:32 Hades and Persephone tale always sounded to me like someone started to make a tale explaining the seasons changing but forgot they weren't writing a love story and were lazy to rewrite it
Well yes, but he was only in that position thanks to choosing to go off to war against the Trojans. So the original point that Greek heroes were more about personal fame and selfish goals still stands.
@@idrk3707 Technically, it's not as straightforward as saying he was forced to fight. As the King of Ithaca, if he hadn't had an heir then he could have refused, despite his oath of allegience to Menelaus. Unfortunately, his son was already born by that time, and Odysseus' only other plan for getting out of it by feigning lunacy was ruined when he refused to cause harm to his son. So while yes, he ultimately decided to honour his oath (or at least he couldn't use lunacy as an excuse not to go), he's also the one solely responsible for ensuring (multiple times) that the Greek army continued their siege instead of returning home - there are at least two occasions when Agamemnon announces his intentions to give up and go home and both times Odysseus is the one who persuades him not to. The second time he even explicitly invokes the whole "personal fame and glory" thing. Also, he didn't "choose to hoe around" (whatever that means) for 10 years afterwards; he would have returned home fairly quickly if he hadn't repeatedly pissed off Poseidon and got himself cursed to spend 10 years trying to get home and lose all his crew along the way.
I love it too. I think there was just a general slump with audience fatigue for big budget animated films or something. It wasn’t the Disney renaissance of the 90s anymore. Atlantis came out the previous year and also did not do so well. And Treasure Planet and Titan A.E. were rival productions that BOTH turned out to be flops. Just a bad time to be putting these out, since by now these films have developed cult followings due to re-evaluation. (Though, I’ll be honest, Treasure Planet should’ve won that little rivalry. Titan AE is a *really* uneven movie that always leaves me unsatisfied.)
Watch Breadsword's video on it. It was actually a deliberate financial loss by the executives, because they wanted to sacrifice their last few hand drawn animated movies so they could have an excuse to switch to computer animation. Because-- this part isn't in the video, but it was because computer animators weren't unionized like hand drawing animators were, so they could pay computer animators way less for their work than hand drawn animators. It was a plan the execs had ever since Pixar proved you could use computer animation for movies and it wouldn't look terrible. They ruined the chances of their last few hand drawn animated movies on purpose so they could do this.
@Gaius Wyrden I'll take your word for it. You just seemed pretty defensive over a fictional character’s potential sexuality. I understand the confusion tho
@Gaius Wyrden also! He has Persephone because he is lonely. While that does not make him gay, it does not mean he is straight either. I’m thinking everyone was pretty Omnisexual, but leaned for more Hetero relationships when looking for offspring (duh) or long-term companionship (did Per and Hades ever have kids???? I have no clue) Basically, Hades is a sad loner because he lives in the underworld with no real contact with anyone other than “co-workers”, and his brother feels bad (but in the Zeus way of feeling bad) and offhandedly offers up his available daughter that he never really connected with. People didn’t really get married for love, especially with the olympians
That's the reason I love Emperor's New Groove. It isn't serious like Pocahontas, and doesn't lean in mythology like Hercules. It's its own thing, ridiculously fun, and every reference to an actual pre-Columbian culture is more like an Easter Egg.
Good or bad, I still love Hercules because of the Gospel Muses. First time they ever had Black characters with actual names and responsibilities of carrying the story. I appreciate that. And those ladies can SANG!!!!! 🎵🎶🎤🙌🙌🙌🙌🤗
Only half true. See, what happened is Hera disguised Hercules's wife and kids as the family of one of his enemies, and so he murdered them, only to discover that it was his wife and kids.
Klea Tselentis Fun fact: it was actually Heracles that did that. Hercules was his Roman form. Even though Hercules and Heracles are mostly the same, Heracles was Greek and Hercules was Roman
I personally love the "not being faithful" argument with this movie because it implies that people expect Disney to mention how Zeus rapes a woman at least once a week, how his wife is actually his sister, and how Hades has one of the healthiest relationships out of all of the gods, despite Persephone still being his niece, IN A KID'S MOVIE.
I knooow right? Also I'd use Hunchback as a counterpoint to the whole Meg being the first female lead who has experience with men. Esmeralda so has that, too. And is arguably coded even sexier than Meg. Someone cut the goddamn gargoyles out and this movie could have been one of the best, but nooo...
Check out the musical version that came out... last year I think? It uses a lot of songs from the movie but has a fair amount of it's own original songs which are all _great_, and is obviously geared towards adults rather than kids. Of all possible Disney remakes I actually _want_ to see, it's making a movie that's basically just _that musical_ so that I can enjoy the story without feeling all gross when I realize how much time is devoted to Jason Alexander as a gargoyle trying _desperately_ to be funny in a film with _attempted genocide_.
I love Treasure Planet, so the fact they had go through all of this to work on it was worth it. Hercules is what I like to call Disney Popcorn Mixed Up fun, Great, but sometimes doesn't know what it wants to be, but the acting and plot still works.
I saw him becoming a true hero as finding "where he belonged" (giving life for Meg proved it and let him stop worrying about where he belonged) and the reason the modern day fame/hero status was bad for him is because he thought it would make him feel he belonged in that role.
"I'm saving you student loans. Don't go to film school." As I sit here, watching this video essay to understand what it is so I can know what I'm doing for my assignment. As a film theory student. At university.
Blaine By your word choice, I'm assuming you're not American, so the problem won't be nearly as bad for you. In the US, college is four years rather than three and it costs way, waaaaaaay more without actually being significantly better quality education. Privatization of healthcare and education really sucks.
Lucky.. it's my dream to go to film school. Enjoy it! I am betting you'll do great things and hope to see your name in some credits some time in the future!
TREASURE PLANET IS A MASTERPIECE AND IT DESERVES BETTER. anyway love this vid, the bit about "it's more important for a character to be motivated than to be sympathetic or relatable" is really great advice
as someone who loves Treasure Planet, I can understand why it wasn't that memorable. It wasn't marketed well and the plot was a little weak but it made you love the characters and their relationship with each other.
I’m honestly glad that Treasure Planet was made when it was. I don’t think it would have been as visually stunning if it was made in the early 90s. It’s honestly one of my favorite Disney movies and I think it’s underrated.
so i found this video after a disney spiral. The way she walked on screen, booze everywhere, eating junkfood really got the mood of 2020. ESPECIALLY as she has a corona beer in the background. Girl you were 4 years ahead of your time.
I had no idea that people didn't like Hercules or Treasure Planet. I guess i could see why certain things in Hercules bothered a lot of people but Treasure Planet? That movie is incredible. I've loved it since i was a little kid and if i had to pick an all time favorite movie it'd probably be that.
Yeah I just think Treasure Planet is ehhhhhh. Hercules is more fun than that one, but not necessarily better, but hella more fun I didn't like Hunchback growing up though and it took til later to appreciate it.
Never saw Treasure Planet and not planning on it. Hercules is a simple deal because of how much of the mess the whole movie became, especially that 3rd act.
Hercules is one of my favorites cuz I loved it as a kid, but now that I'm older I see the flaws in the film. I felt once Hercules is trained, there's no more conflict with him besides Megara who in fact is the most dynamic character in the film. Hercules achieved his dream half way thru the film. Young Hercules was relatable but after he grows up, he becomes bland. Everyone else carries the film, Phil and Hades are the comedic relief and big personalities and Meg carries the rest of the film when it comes to character development.
One of the things I liked about this particular film was that Hercules's strength, normally an admired trait, is what made others initially alienate and look down on him as a freak.
I actually was one of the rare kids who knew at least half of the myths before the movie came out, because of my dog. My moms friend had a male French poodle named Hercules. My mom fell in love with her dog and wanted one of her own, but only a female, and both wanted to breed the dogs. Anyways, my mom wanted her dogs name to make sense, so she had me look up some Greek mythology (this is before Google days), while she did some research, and being the lazy kid I was lol, she won. And told me part of the tales. I didn't know about why he had 12 labors, or that he ended up killing Megara. Ironically, the dogs couldn't breed because my moms dog, which became the family dog, was too small, the pups would kill her if she got pregnant. So essentially, Hercules would've killed her but we prevented it and got her fixed lol.
24:19 Sadly the days of Disney avoiding the chosen one clique is over. In the span of a few months they've had two films prominently feature chosen one protagonists: Elsa with her avatar... thing and the live action Mulan with her... endless amounts of chi.
I have one tiny nitpick with this review, and that comes when Odysseus is mentioned. See, the Odyssey was not a quest for glory. It was one long trip home that got held up by traffic, car problems and a crap ton of gods getting ticked at Odysseus. And the reason he was away from home was because he was sort of forced to go fight in the Trojan War. I take umbrage with the idea that Odysseus did what he did for selfish reasons. Yes, he was arrogant and proud and a bit of a smart-ass, but his main goal was always just getting home so I can see my wife and family.
+Chez Lindsay Point taken. I just took it more as an implication that the Odyssey had more in common with Jason and the Argonauts or the tale of King Arthur, rather than an ordinary(ish) man with ordinary goals pushed into not so ordinary circumstances. My apologies for taking it the wrong way. P.S. EEEEEEEEEEE you replied! Big fan.
except that he kinda was doing it for the greater good because his castle was being overrun by a bunch of assholes that wanted to steal his property and rape his wife and daughters if he didn't get there fast enough. There was literally no sense of glory or selfishness in the Odyssey. temptation, destruction, and distractions yes, but Odysseus was able to overcome all of that because of his drive to save his family and home.
This point was made pretty clear in the video. In the section mentioning Odysseus I was thinking the same things as J,J&E but then it is made pretty clear that the point is simply about a character not working for the greater good. One could make the argument that part of Odysseus' story is his working for the greater good .. of his crew and family. No version of the Odyssey that I've ever read or seen plays this up very much, but I think one could make a version where this is at the forefront and not have it be completely awkward.
I think it's 'selfish' in the sense of the word, that it's a very personal motivation. It's a motivation that has universal themes - protect your family - but it doesn't really have anything to do with the universal good. I think this was what Lindsay meant in the overarching idea of a 'selfish goal'.
FUN FACT: In the original licensed Playstation game of the same name, there are 2 edits that were NOT in the official main movie but were restored for the video game during the cutscenes. Edit 1 - a moment in which one of the dancing girls lifts her leg straight up to her face, while seemingly sexually exclaiming "OW!" as the camera rapidly zooms into her joy-filled face. Edit 2 - during Meg's speech while she was dying. A sound effect was reinserted of Hercules throwing the pillar and hearing it crash and crumble. This indicated to the audience why Meg flinched right before she says "he promised i wouldn't get hurt". There has never been an explaination as to why these edits were removed from the official movie, but i think the first one is kind of obvious, while the second one always perplexed me as to why it's not in the movie, but instead only in the game - of which never really gained much attention until well after the consoles life-span had passed.
@@cannonfodder4000 There are other minor differences like the ones mentioned above. But just like the ones mentioned above, they're exclusive to the PS1 game version only. Doubtful you'll find them all on UA-cam due to Disney's strict copyright mentality. But the Zero To Hero changes can be found on the UA-cam video called "Ps1 Hercules Intro" by a channel called Tristan Productions. Skip to 1:28 to see the leg lift i was talking about.
My only problem with this video is when Lindsay pretends that Treasure Planet isn’t the perfect modern coming of age story. It even contains the perfect teen anthem that blends the ideal amounts of edgy and genuine emotion.
Megara in herself and the muses, make up for everthing XD she is one of my favorite disney female characters, she was not a warrior or physically strong, yet she saves the heroe's life. Besides she is sassy, has life experience, is not naive and sweet, in general has all that " the evil girlfriend" has in rom coms ( and in telenovelas that my grandma watches...and in fanfics and in shojo animes) but she is actually good.
If anything, MEG was the real main character here 😎 I mean, she went through some character development, learning to love and sacrifice again after being burned in the past.
@@kingofthebis1068 rather than is it necessary, is it even possible? How would you know your feelings are your own feelings and not being implanted by the god?
This is so interesting to watch because on the one hand I'm like "those are all really valid criticisms" but on the other hand I'm like "but it's still one of my favorites and you can't beat the songs"
@@dylanmichaca2583 Hera and Zeus aren't brother and sister in the Disney film. so how Is Disney!Hades X Disney!Hercules okay because GrecoRoman!Hera X GrecoRoman!Zeus is incestous? (I typed this our because I saw a logical fallacy in your reply not because I genuinely care about the ethics of Disney shipping lol)
Don't get me wrong but I was always confused why Hercules was a red-head. I'm Greek and the only red-heads I've seen are tourists. But who knows maybe in this film Hera cheated Zeus with Thor.
I always thought it could be because gingers are made fun of for their hair and so they used this to emphasise the fact that Hercules was seen as an outcast. Also links the possibility he is related to Ariel who is ginger also
A lot of homeric heroes like Menelaos and Odysseus were described as red/blonde headed, but I wouldn't be surprised if Disney was just trying to appeal to the golden jock American ideal
You should do a video on Treasure Planet, it is incredibly underrated, has a pretty good history to it and is infamous for being deliberately sabotaged by Disney.
And it's garnered one hell of a cult following. If Disney backed Treasure Planet like it did all of its other animated projects, it would have killed at the box office instead of being such a huge commercial flop.
You know, instead of doing reboots of Disney classics or the renaissance age; something I still can't understand because they were wonderful and they don't need to be done again. Why hasn't Disney done reboots of movies that didn't do well? Go back, see what went wrong, whether it was marketing or tone or storyline and do better this time! Make it the hit it should have been. And the first movies I think of that deserve a second chance are Treasure Planet, Atlantis: The Lost Empire, and The Black Cauldron. I'm sure there might be others but those are the ones I'd actually want to see. Just F.Y.I when I say reboot, I don't mean it has to be live-action or all CGI. Honestly, I miss Disney's animation. I'd like to see some of that again.
I love how many comments there are that are still complaining about her eating 4 years later when she was obviously doing it to be annoying on purpose. Lindsay is a treasure
She’s a treasure.... that we need an entire planet to hide her away on to protect her. And maybe only leave behind a cryptic map for anyone brave enough to follow to find her.
I hear you. I do. And even agree. But, to this day, that is one of my favorite Renaissance movies. I celebrate its anniversaries by watching it all over again, Herc is ma babe
*Treasure planet is one of my favorite movies* of all time. I don't see why so many people disliked it. But whatever. To some of us, *their passion project was worth it.* Even though we're few, hopefully it was worth it to them too.
It's not that it was disliked, it was set up to fail. Seriously, it had a terrible ad campaign and then it was released against Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone and one of Disney's own Christmas films. If that isn't contrived...
I always loved Treasure Planet as well. But I guess I have a track record of loving the Disney movies that did poorly. Atlantis is still one of my favorites, and I hate that it's so neglected. Make Kida an official Disney Princess, darn it!
AverageChocolate_x omg yes! The black cauldron was amazing but Disney’s biggest flop apparently. It was the darkest Disney film and I loved every second of it.
Lindsay: Talks about insufferable 12 year olds complaining about something not being mythologically acurate. Me: Flashes back to every goddam time I tried to WATCH A MOVIE IN PEACE with my sister around.
"Someone call IXII!" one of the best line ever written. Edit: To all you *haters* commenting that they are Roman numerals and not Greek, might I remind you that Hercules is the *Roman* version of the Greek hero Heracles?! Who was born to Zeus and a mortal woman Alcemene, NOT Hera, Zeus' wife, who is also his sister! This movie is a *Disney cartoon* mishmash of both Greek and Roman Mythological beings/ Deities, who may or may not have (let's face it probably not) actually lived. SO how about you allow me to have this tiny slice of happiness by remembering a funny line from one of my favourite Disney movies in peace! Be Well Citizens!
That clip of Herc on his knees as shorthand for prayer coulda been actually kinda funny/bittersweet if he had brought a goat in (presumably for the sacrifice but never explicitly stated) and he's like, "Almighty Zeus, I brought you an offering" and the goat kinda freaks out like "Wait, I know what this is" and he starts trying to gtfo but after a little back and forth, Herc let's go of the rope cause he can't bring himself to hurt the innocent animal (or, if that's too schmalzy, the goat can bite the rope and free itself - letting us know the goat is kinda smart). The goat jets/is about to jet. Dejectedly, Herc falls to his knees and says, "I can't do anything right. Why would Zeus listen to someone like me, anyway?" And the goat kinda slinks back towards Herc, obviously pitying the poor kid and nudges his arm, like trying to cheer him up. Then suddenly Zeus pops in as the statue with a boisterous "My boy!" or something, startling Herc and the goat, who instantly freezes and falls over - as if dead. And Zeus is like, "Oh, you brought an offering!" but then the goat gets up cause it's a fainting goat. The only problem I see with this rework is that it creates an awesome animal character with more charisma than Hercules and Pegasus is already doing that job.
Treasure planet was my favorite animated movie as a kid I don't know why but alot of my favorite movies growing up turned out to be passion projects that failed commercially
Maybe it’s because I watched it like every day as a kid, but I LOVE Hercules! I also got into Greek mythology as a kid too which made it my first “love the stupid movie despite its flaws”
SAME!! Even to this day, I still ADORE Greek Mythology, and even though this film is pretty dumb and has flaws, I love this movie too. I know a lot of people who love Greek mythology got into it because of Percy Jackson - but this was my introduction.
Same. Catchy songs, good comedy with a theme, good character arcs, alright villain that pans out to a superboss villain ending which is sweet. One of my favorite Disney movies.
I always thought the movie should have just been from Megs POV. A sort of traditional Disney Princess movie. However that’s probably bc I loved the I Won’t Say (I’m In Love) song and would have loved more of that
To be fair Odysseus was supposedly trying to get home by sea while cursed by Poseidon, Greek god of the sea. His odyssey was just supposed to get him home. While ping ponging around the Mediterranean and likely Aegean Seas to every single island he could find
I didn’t notice that they sing in the same key there! Thanks for pointing it out, I guess Quasimodo and Hercules love to be soft-spoken young men who sing in the same key all the time. Lol.
My memory might not be 100% but I don't believe they are. They do both descend to their target pitch and use similar rhythms. Melodic descent is how almost every melody ends. The rhythmic quirk is less universal but it works because the rhythm destabilizes when the melody sits on unstable pitches.
I truly enjoyed your insights. Well spoken, efficient, densely-packed presentation without being boring nor overly academic. Also, you did a great job of explaining concepts and terms, giving a little bit of background to understand the analytic techniques, but staying terse too. Well chosen examples.
I just realized BNHA is what Hercules was trying to be... (As in the whole superhero/pro athlete mashup). I don't know what to do with this information, except that it only supports the idea that Bakugou is Megara
Of course, so much love for Hercules and The Emperor's New Groove, meanwhile The Road to El Dorado is criminally underrated. And Treasure Planet, so good, so weird.
when heracles/hercules was doing his 12th labour he found hades and asked permission to bring Cerberus to the surface, which hades agreed to if heracles could subdue the beast without using weapons. ok so this dude on a quest asked the god of the underworld permission to show his dog to the king and hades was like ''sure just dont hurt him and bring him back before dinner'', in almost any other story this wouldve resulted in a bloody battle that ends in the hero delivering the dog's heads to the king, i like the greek version better. also latinized form of the greek kerberos possibly meant "spotted" so hades the god of the underworld has a dog named spot... no matter how scary and monstrous a dog looks, if its name is spot im gonna pet it and give it belly rubs.
I just have to say I have been trying to learn editing and who ever does Lindsay's stuff is very good with timing the clips within her videos. So shoutout to Lindsay and her team for that.
i loved hercules as a kid and had no idea it "underperformed" i had a hercules plate! that i ate my dinner off of every day! i remember watching it for the billionth time at ikea in the place where kids place, with the ball pit. i think i got a mcdonald's hercules toy. i mean, it definitely was/seemed big, at/around the time
Wow this actually blows my mind, in Mexico we have a different perception of Hercules, in Mexico we love it, mainly because of the voice actors (Antonio Benavides as Hercules, Tatiana as Megara "Meg", Marcos Valdés as Filoctetes "Fil", Rubén Trujillo as Hades, which is my favorite), but now looking in the anglosajon POV, it changes everything.
Once I saw this comment that said “the biggest historical inaccuracy that Disney has ever committed is portraying Zeus as a happy family man” and that gets me every time
@@wise_girl9388 the way you say it makes Hera sound super interesting, jsksjsk. I’m not very versed in Greek mythology, tho, so I’m sure it’s not as fun as I imagine:(
And making Hades to be a bad guy! This is all because of Christianity.
@@demint5664 so, Hera is a very interesting mythological figure, but not in a heroic way. she was forced to marry her brother Zeus (f*cking d*psh*t motherf*cker) and had three children with him: Hephaistos, Ares, and Hebe. Unlike other gods, she didn't sleep with literally everyone in the world, she stayed relatively loyal to Zeus. Hera agreed to marry Zeus since after he was rejected for the 100th time, he took the form of a small bird in a storm so she would pity him and bring him within her chambers; when she did so, he changed back into a human and raped her. She felt impure due to that event, so she finally agreed to marry him. She's also known for taking revenge on literally every single lover Zeus had (she was somewhat justified): she turned one into a bear, another into a cow (indirectly), and made a large serpent chase a woman in labor for two years. There is so much to talk about, but unfortunately, I have to go. Yeah, i suggest you read her wiki page or something, she's interesting.
@@adeepdive_8205 well she even came to represent marriage and monogamy both because of the faithfulness and the revenge :)
@@Molly-tv5sv yeah, that too
like it or hate it, Disney's Hercules did do something right. they managed to summarize about 90% of Greek mythology with 5 simple words
"-and then along came Zeus"
JuggerNuts1994 God... as someone who’s in a mythology class in high school, you just explained more than what I learned this past month.
too bad it wasn't rated R or we'd get everything from greek myths...Mostly Zeus fucking everything in sight
@@mistahspoke9281 And people somehow giving birth through thighs.
Zeus did love to meddle in the affairs of mortals. Literally at times.
*GASP* and then the cyclopes created his thunderbolts for him because of the Titans keeping them locked somewhere (idk where) because either they forgot or thought they were too ugly (not joking) like their parents and also the Titans and the Cyclopes are technically siblings because Gaea (mother) and Ouranous (the fuck do you think) had babies but like technically Ouranos was Gaea’s son that she had with herself cos the only other living beings were Tartarus (a pit) and Chaos (the thing that happened when Earth wasn’t around but is still around just sleeping) so that’s incest but so are the Kronos (the leader of the Titans) and Rhea (the mother) who are brother and sister and THEN after they have children (the gods) the children also have children with themselves who sometimes do the same thing but not really so I guess all I’m saying is that you’re not summarising it not even a little ok ill go now.
"Is [the doggy tag] in case Zeus forgets his name?"
Given the number of illegitimate kids Zeus fathered, probably.
You could in fact ascribe nearly every Greek myth to the moniker: "and Zues beheld a *insert literally every known and unknown organism in the universe* and was rendered instantly smitten!"
@@Kongstudios2 It was a plot twist when Zeus decided _not_ to bang someone!
(Thetis, a nereid who both Zeus and Poseidon fell in lust with, but who was prophesied to bear a son stronger than his father, so they passed her off to some wimpy Thessalian king.)
H O W M A N Y K l D S A G A l N ?
That was my thought exactly. :)
LOL Good point. Hercules is more memorable. That is the Roman version though. The Greek version is Heracles. So this love child is named after the wife. The wife being named Hera. That is memorable. Hera tormented Heracles a whole lot in the origional myth. In the Disney version, Hades gets the antagonist role instead.
The words ‘NOT BEING FAITHFUL’ over Zeus and Hera having a positive relationship is the best thing ever.
Ikr
The thing that gutted me the most about Hades never realising that Hercules wasn't dead all those years is the fact that he is literally the God of the underworld - The place where dead people go. If ANYONE should know when someone's dead, it should be him! Like did he just never look around and think "hey, has anyone seen Herc?"
I'm pretty sure there are a few others more qualified to know who has and has not died than Hades. He ruled the whole realm not just the dead people. And there were other gods in the Underworld: Hecate, Charon, Thanatos, Zagreus (son of Hades), Macaria (daughter of Hades), and the Keres (1 of 5 terrors of war and goddesses of violent death), just to name a few. Given the way Hades wanted Hercules to die in the movie, i.e. violently, I'd say the Keres and Charon would be more likely to know if he was actually dead. Or maybe Thanatos, the god that personified death himself would have known. In short, you can't put all the blame on Hades. He's a busy guy and aparently everyone forgets the gods that aren't Olympians or Hades (no, he's not an Olympian).
@@bravetigerproud6895 ha, awesome, didn't know any of that stuff, the more you know right?
@@wopachop4582 Most people forget about the minor deities. A similar argument turned my mythology class a few semesters ago into a full on debate between me (a Pagan who has been taught about these deities and how to show them the respect they deserve and was taking that class for an easy A) and the other 20-somthing students before the professor arrived. Awesome thing about that was that the professor let the debate go on for the first half hour of class before telling the class that I was right and starting her lecture on archetypes.
(Edited for spelling)
Babies don't have souls
@High Definition It's like symbolism in literature and mythology. I didn't really understand it as much as I should have.
I just enjoy the movie because it has a unique visual style, great music, Meg, and that himbo as a protagonist.
what about hades?
eyubeon I didn’t even mention him because we know that’s the best part
I always felt like Hades is the center piece of the movie as he is awesome. Especially in the Finnish version the voice actor is sooo good.
@@jmniskanen Finnish Hades is my favourite Hades dub over ngl--
yeah, I mean hades had an objective and faults, herc was just strong and that's that
but I really love the music and style, it's definitely the best thing in this movie
"Don't go to film school. Watch internet videos."
Yes, Professor Ellis.
that's what i try to do too ngl
“Be an independent thinker.”
"How did the Greek gods hide a kid from the other side for 18 years?"
*stares in Zagreus*
You. I like you
to be fair, nyx is a badass who actviely was hiding him
👁👄👁
One thing I always found unique about this was that Meg appears to be older than Hercules. How many Disney movies have a romance with a female character who is older than the guy?
hothotheat3000 I never thought about her being older - sure she definitely had at least one relationship before Herc. But now that you mention it, he's barely 18, so I could see her being one or more years older. Though I can't tell if she’s mature because she’s older, or she just acts/is that mature regardless of age.
The way that she is drawn and her voice all read as her being older. Not like mid-30s older, but they are not the same age, no way.
Meg is always the exception, what with her being exceptional and everything.
i've always thought meg could be pretty old, because hades would've kept her 'immortal' as long as he had her soul, and they seemed to have been working together for a while.
Kida from Atlantis is thousands of years old. So I guess she wins? 😂
This is great but I will never forgive you for saying Treasure Planet was unmemorable, random lady I met 37 minutes ago
😂
Kudos to you for waiting the whole video to respond lol
Seriously. I didn't even love Treasure Planet as a kid and I remember a shitton of it.
It was gorgeous though.
Like, the gorgeousest. Ever.
They spent all the money.
Ya,
Treasure planet was one of the greats pretty drunk lady.
I loved megra she wasn't your typical "princess trope" she was very scorned and imperfect she really stands out because she had a relationship that broke her heart prior to Hercules, she was not as virtuous as other disney princesses and did everything for self preservation... even her character design was far different. Megra doesn't value integrity and shows the different side of the coin. A very human transcendic side.
She was the only positive thing in the movie and idk how they pulled it of but she remidns me a lot of the earlier Greek 60s -70s movies we had with very feisty heroines (albeit in nowadays lense pretty sexist), which is in a way a lot how Greek women tend to be or seemed to be to foreign visitors at the time. The more liberated ones at least.
Like Stella or Never on Sunday, to me she's the only thing and only one who is even remotely "fatihfull"
I always thought that Hercules equated “the fame and fortune” with “acceptance.” That’s all he ever wanted.
Same here. I always saw it as being accepted in a shallow way by millions vs being accepted in a deep way by one person
But he never equated those. He literally never mentions either of them. He's only ever annoyed by fame, and that for a split second of a montage and the painting scene, and he doesn't even acknowledge money to any degree. That's the disconnect. The writers knew that _the audience_ equated worthiness with fame and wealth, and they hoped we'd just transfer our own valuations over to the character. But they don't.
But for that plot to work out he needed to want or either perceive fame and fortune as "acceptance", but he never does seek out fame, he quit literally says he hates it right after the montage scene.
But even THIS point was mega weak in the movie. First they make a huge deal about his clumsiness and then the acceptance part never becomes a thing again
As far as Hades not knowing Herc was alive for 18 years, I could buy the argument that Hades is a god and immortal, therefore, 18 years might actually not be a terribly long amount of time for him.
That’s a good point I never considered
that makes more sense at least but the movie frames it like killing Herc is his main thing. You'd think he'd be staring at the portal to the underworld waiting for a baby.
Pain and Panic murdered a ginger toddler off screen. Makes sense, huh?
@Siper the underworld is for human souls tho
He didn’t hear about Sisyphus for a fat minute if I’m not mistaken
Given Zeus' infidelity, the whole "Hercules has a dog tag in case Zeus forgets his name" was hilarious! lol
But Zeus isn't unfaithful in this version; Hera is Hercules's mother, and she loves him.
@@tobybartels8426 I know, but it's still funny given the mythological reference lol
@@maxwellg.2755 : True.
@@tobybartels8426 We know he's not Unfaithful in THIS case. But wether or not all his other kids are legitimate or not is unclear.
@@brianbrush5107 : I suppose, but this is Disney … what do you think?
I just rewatched Hercules and I think I finally realized why I loved it as a kid. Its not a history lesson, not a serious moral. Its just trying to have fun, which is what I'm looking for at the end of the day. But I've heard talk of a live-action remake and I'm pretty concerned they'll try to make it more "accurate" and "serious." At that point you're taking away the only thing Hercules has. I don't exactly watch that movie for the great plot lol
I agree. I loved it and I wasn’t looking for a history lesson. People forget it’s a movie for entertainment.
@@vporta3151 A movie can be entertaining while giving an history lesson, they aren't incompatible.
I think thats why in my eyes like with modern movies and shows from nowadays they get more flamed then when movies like Hercules came out, cause as a good example, when Netflix created their documentary film Cleopatra it got absolutely dunked, why?? Because the movie was being outright racist and hostile towards an entire fucking country, in that movies case thats why it and other medias portraying mythology and history nowadays get attacked and rightly so, but with Hercules, its not trying to be super super serious and is just trying to have fun with the ideas that it is basing itself on, and sure maybe some would say about how the movie had a whole song about the gospel and how everything that was told was the truth, but to that I say, they don't remind you of it like every 2 seconds how THIS is how the story went and how THIS was actually what happened without providing historical proof and shit
"An entire canon of Bella Swans" made me laugh and I had to go back a few times until I stopped laughing.
TIL that not everyone grew up loving Hercules?!?! I was genuinely shocked when you said it wasn't a box office success
Since i was a kid it's always been my favorite Disney animated movie :/
Big same
This
It’s a great movie and I can’t bring myself to trust anyone who feels otherwise.
See, I discovered it after being educated about Greek myths; kinda ruined the “family friendly” illusion for me.
"Zeus got around" - literally ever Greek problem ever
*Manic Pixie Fangirl * lol
@@theblackbaron4119 what is the Leda suggesting go court since she fucked a bird I'm the father lmfao, OK then.
Main problem of Perseus Jackson's life
Peter Parker - Found a fellow PJO fan :)
@@denisenova7494 Yes. They are both evil and Hera sucks at her job. Goddess of marriage? Better try something new
Hercules was my fav disney movie as a kid, at the time little redhead me thought he wanted to be Hercules. Looking back as a card carrying homosexual, that little twunk was one of my first crushes.
Card carrying essensially means obvious
Also, Hades is like the death receptionist, he would probably know if someone was death or not.
If someone was death
Isn’t that the entity that stirred the riverboat on Styx, they would know each soul? Not Hades, he’s more of a guard for nothing to get out?
2:46 "Indoor plumbing - it's gonna be big"
hahaha, oh my God, in the German dub she says "Elvis lives - don't tell anybody"
Hahaha, that's hilarious!
I could never figure out why i don't like the movie then i realized that Hercules was voiced by Til Schweiger??! Who's idea was that?? anyway once i watched the english version i really liked it hahhahaha
In the Greek dub she says "Pizzas will be delivered at homes with a phone call" so like every country added its own joke I suppose
I knew they did a bunch of nation-specific jokes in the Avengers films and in Zootopia, but I didn't know they did such things as early as Hercules.
@@electrafabcap5109 Unfortunately, in Brazil they kept the same meaning that is in the original language hahahahah
Tiny Brain: Hercules
Glowing Brain: Heracles
Galaxy Brain: Hunkules
Thrawn369 it’s wild how like everyone gets what you mean.
Universe Mind: Marvel's Hercules.
ZoanBlade90
Cue the Caddicarus bit!
*discordant trombones*
Multiverse brain: a Justin Y. comment
ZoanBlade90, or that version that dates alternate universe James Howlett with the golden claws.
3:30 “One of the most important issues of our day”
*Bottle of Corona stands menacingly in the background*
I'd actually like to make an argument about the "Want vs Need" section. While it does handle it clumsily, I feel that his 'want' is addressed more than you let on.
His strength and abnormalities from his mortal peers, as well as finding out he was adopted, are what left him feeling like he didn't belong, so his want was to find where he was 'supposed' to belong. He finds out that he was born a god, meaning he must only 'belong' on olympus, and so he sets out to regain his godhood and join his father Zeus.
The movie is spent with him trying to chase this idea of a 'hero' in various ways, training, doing rescues, defeating monsters, becoming adored and admired by the masses, attaining wealth and status, ect. Solely to try to get to the place and fit the standards of the places he feels he Must belong.
Then in the finale, through his sacrifice for Meg, he meets the 'true hero' standard and regains his godhood, allowing him to finally 'belong' in olympus. But he rejects olympus and his godhood after realizing he never Needed to go to olympus, what was important about being a 'true hero' was not meeting the standards to attain godhood, but to save a woman he loved, because it was with her, a person he cared for and could be honest and vulnerable with, that he truly Belonged.
So I would say his 'want', to belong, did feed into his 'need'.His want to 'belong', due to his strength and outsider-ness, led him to believe he Must become a god and return to olympus, and in his pursuit of that goal he realized his 'need', to become a 'true hero' not to achieve 'belonging' in olympus, but to save the person he Truly belonged with, not because of his strength or his heroism but because of who he was.
Again, the movie didn't execute this...... super well, and it leads to some more weirdness with the celebrity endorsement angle, but it IS there!!
As a kid in the 90s, this message resonated with me really well. I was always impressed by how Hercules decided to become mortal and be with Meg. That’s where he belonged. That’s the distance he was always searching for. The film is a bit too fast paced, we needed more time to feel during Meg’s death and I definitely feel that she should have died before Hercules fights off the titans. This would have made the fight way more a vengeful and serious rather than comedic which could have been a brilliant lead up to him realising that revenge wasn’t the answer and then chooses to sacrifice himself for Meg. This is what was really missing from this film to become a masterpiece in my eyes. Nevertheless, I always felt that the arcs were really well done regardless and for kids (or at least for me), the message resonated really well. Plus, Meg’s character is super interesting, the most complex female character up to that point and that is so refreshing too. Hercules is a great Disney Renaissance film and one of the most fun on a rewatch, just not to the same level of quality as the early DR films or Mulan.
Honey, you mean *HUNKULES*
OUR STORY BEGINS
hercules made me gay
LONG BEFORE HERCULES...
ilikecats Hercules can get it tbh
@@0927kira Same
>being an insufferable 12 year old who is mad that the movie was unfaithful to Greek mythology
I don't like how you're personally attacking me like this.
I'm right there with you. Hera wanting to welcome Hercules into the family? Hades being the bad guy? Still cheesed about that.
Actually same
Me too
Coming from the girl who started using Egyptian hieroglyphics to pass notes in class at about 12 (litterally just for fun not to gossip or cheat.)....I feel you and will gladly stand up and yell "hey....Not cool" with you. I figure every one of us that fell in love with and obsessed over an ancient culture at an "unusually" young age need to stick together lol 😂😂😂 💚😎😎
I think you’ll find I’m fourteen
I love how the "Not being faithful" text is superimposed over Zeus with Hera. That joke IS faithful to the source material!
I'll always be so sad about treasure planet not getting the praise and love it deserved :(
It has grown a following though
To be fair, Odysseus wasn’t Odysseying for glory, either. Dude was just trying to get home after the Trojan War.
I love that because it makes it sound like he took a wrong turn at Albuquerque.
@@theAngryscotman Look, man. Greece is a big place. They weren't very good at making maps. Just getting to Troy in the first place, at the start of the war, was a whole-ass ordeal. Not to mention Poseidon hated the guy. Odysseus had a rough one aight
@@KenzLovesMovies Hey, no arguments here. Just sayin'
@@theAngryscotman lol I know; just giving some more details. I've taken a lot of classes on greek and roman mythology so I'm always anxious to share when it's relevant! You'd be surprised how useful it in in other literary/film analysis courses, actually!
theAngryscotman Is that the place where you can eat your soup right out of the ashtrays if you wanna, it’s okay they’re clean?
"a Superman movie where he doesn't care about the populace."
Yeah. we got that. it's called Man of Steel.
SuperRay64 this Hercules movie is basically Superman the movie (1978) but in 1997-Disney format style.
Wow MOS has more scenes of Supes saving people than the earlier films and yet he still comes across as cold and uncaring about the populous in MOS.
Jason Avery while he saves more, he does this uncaring and fairly cold. That's what you may expect from a darker version of Batman or other heroes, but not supes
saving a few people as opposed to then later demolishing an entire town and then an entire city.
+Jason Avery
Oh. Well in that case, he's still an unlikable piece of steel in that movie.
Can we all agree that the great mouse detective and treasure planet absolutely SLAPPED, underrated masterpieces honestly
I had no idea Thief and the Cobbler was ripped off by Aladdin. I simply knew it was in production purgatory for EONS. But growing up, it was one of my favorite movies to watch and it made me so happy to know that a certified animated movie critic legend knows about it.
I didn't realize either until I found out that some animators who worked on the Cobbler had a falling out with Dick Williams and went to work for Disney.
The falling out wasn't unprecedented as Dick was a notoriously strict boss who accepted nothing less than utmost dedication and perfection.
But coincidentally, just a couple of years after these animators left for Disney, a perfect time for an animation to be made, Aladdin dropped. Hmmmmm
"Pulled by the plot contrivance of destiny" What could be more ancient Greek than that?
that's exactly what i thought!
Feta cheese?
Yogurt and a terrible economy?
The ancient Greek playwrights invented the concept of a deus ex machina
Yeah. And they didn't predict everything.
I remember not liking Meg when I first saw the movie because I was like, "That's not how a Disney princess is supposed to act!" But now that I'm all growed up, she's hands down my favorite and her exclusion from the Disney Princess mafia is a terrible snub.
Courtney Durham “Disney Princess Mafia” 😂
grown up not growed up
@@ingriddubbel8468 Ever heard of non-native English speakers? Guess not
Well she wasn't a princess
@Iwatchkittenvids45
Nor are Mulan, Moana, Ariel or Pocahontas.
Also so many are only princesses by marriage: Snowhite: Tiana, Cinderella, and Belle.
The only ACTUAL princesses are Jasmine, Aurora and Rapunzel.
“Look at how long this video is”. Oh man, those halcyon days when 37 minutes was long for a youtube analysis video
11:32 Hades and Persephone tale always sounded to me like someone started to make a tale explaining the seasons changing but forgot they weren't writing a love story and were lazy to rewrite it
Three years later, 2020, we watch her chug down Corona and the scene has a different symbolic significance.
i want to like your comment, but it has 69 likes
i get it!!! it's corona, like the virus!!!! crazy!!! wow!!!11
Followed by “I don’t think it’s necessarily a black or white thing...”
@@ziggystardog oh snap. Yeah. I always knew she's on point but now she's just showing off.
@@zombyninja2576 👀
I see what you did there!!!!
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I mean, Odysseus didn’t ‘go’ odysseying. He was just trying to get home to his wife and son.
And clearly having fun along the way lol
Well yes, but he was only in that position thanks to choosing to go off to war against the Trojans. So the original point that Greek heroes were more about personal fame and selfish goals still stands.
Overly Dramatic Panda I mean he had multiple affairs but expected his wife to be faithful lol I know it was a different time but still
@@overlydramaticpanda no he was forced to fight in the war? Get ur facts straight. He only chooses to hoe around for like 10 years near the end
@@idrk3707 Technically, it's not as straightforward as saying he was forced to fight. As the King of Ithaca, if he hadn't had an heir then he could have refused, despite his oath of allegience to Menelaus. Unfortunately, his son was already born by that time, and Odysseus' only other plan for getting out of it by feigning lunacy was ruined when he refused to cause harm to his son. So while yes, he ultimately decided to honour his oath (or at least he couldn't use lunacy as an excuse not to go), he's also the one solely responsible for ensuring (multiple times) that the Greek army continued their siege instead of returning home - there are at least two occasions when Agamemnon announces his intentions to give up and go home and both times Odysseus is the one who persuades him not to. The second time he even explicitly invokes the whole "personal fame and glory" thing.
Also, he didn't "choose to hoe around" (whatever that means) for 10 years afterwards; he would have returned home fairly quickly if he hadn't repeatedly pissed off Poseidon and got himself cursed to spend 10 years trying to get home and lose all his crew along the way.
I always hate the negativity for Treasure Planet. I freaking love that film, and can't understand why it didn't get more recognition
I love it too. I think there was just a general slump with audience fatigue for big budget animated films or something. It wasn’t the Disney renaissance of the 90s anymore.
Atlantis came out the previous year and also did not do so well. And Treasure Planet and Titan A.E. were rival productions that BOTH turned out to be flops. Just a bad time to be putting these out, since by now these films have developed cult followings due to re-evaluation.
(Though, I’ll be honest, Treasure Planet should’ve won that little rivalry. Titan AE is a *really* uneven movie that always leaves me unsatisfied.)
Watch Breadsword's video on it. It was actually a deliberate financial loss by the executives, because they wanted to sacrifice their last few hand drawn animated movies so they could have an excuse to switch to computer animation. Because-- this part isn't in the video, but it was because computer animators weren't unionized like hand drawing animators were, so they could pay computer animators way less for their work than hand drawn animators. It was a plan the execs had ever since Pixar proved you could use computer animation for movies and it wouldn't look terrible. They ruined the chances of their last few hand drawn animated movies on purpose so they could do this.
@@nkbujvytcygvujno6006 that makes depressing sense...
i love the way Spy Kids 3 subverts the "chosen one" cliche with Elijah Wood's brief appearance
"Her bitchy gay boyfriend Hades..." THIS IS MY FAVORITE LINE. It's so true tho XD
@Gaius Wyrden greek mythology is rather wacky, it seems everyone is bi there
@Gaius Wyrden this movie movie doesn't even show his wife, no?
@Gaius Wyrden
Oh my god she wasn’t being literal. You’re homophobia is showing btw 😂
@Gaius Wyrden I'll take your word for it. You just seemed pretty defensive over a fictional character’s potential sexuality. I understand the confusion tho
@Gaius Wyrden also! He has Persephone because he is lonely. While that does not make him gay, it does not mean he is straight either. I’m thinking everyone was pretty Omnisexual, but leaned for more Hetero relationships when looking for offspring (duh) or long-term companionship (did Per and Hades ever have kids???? I have no clue)
Basically, Hades is a sad loner because he lives in the underworld with no real contact with anyone other than “co-workers”, and his brother feels bad (but in the Zeus way of feeling bad) and offhandedly offers up his available daughter that he never really connected with.
People didn’t really get married for love, especially with the olympians
that fucking Hercules and Hades beauty and the beast edit was fucking legendary.
That's the reason I love Emperor's New Groove. It isn't serious like Pocahontas, and doesn't lean in mythology like Hercules. It's its own thing, ridiculously fun, and every reference to an actual pre-Columbian culture is more like an Easter Egg.
Good or bad, I still love Hercules because of the Gospel Muses. First time they ever had Black characters with actual names and responsibilities of carrying the story. I appreciate that. And those ladies can SANG!!!!! 🎵🎶🎤🙌🙌🙌🙌🤗
Fun fact: Hera disguised Hercules' wife and kid as monsters. So he killed them not realizing. Hera was a great step-mom...
He killed them in a fit of rage
Only half true. See, what happened is Hera disguised Hercules's wife and kids as the family of one of his enemies, and so he murdered them, only to discover that it was his wife and kids.
@Saiyasha27 Greek mythology is so messy. 😐 I don't blame Disney for veering off the track of what's cannon.
Sounds worse than Lucifer’s mum
Klea Tselentis Fun fact: it was actually Heracles that did that. Hercules was his Roman form. Even though Hercules and Heracles are mostly the same, Heracles was Greek and Hercules was Roman
I’ve been just as jaded as Meg since I turned 20. Gotta love having a sarcastic and witty Disney heroine though, those are far too rare.
Do you need/want to talk about it?
Agreed 👍
Why I like MCU M.J.
"Where it turns onto a sorta beauty and the beast thing, and they kinda hate ea-"
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Okay but seriously, do you know where to find fanfics about this?
I personally love the "not being faithful" argument with this movie because it implies that people expect Disney to mention how Zeus rapes a woman at least once a week, how his wife is actually his sister, and how Hades has one of the healthiest relationships out of all of the gods, despite Persephone still being his niece, IN A KID'S MOVIE.
The two word scene is clever comedy.
"I am retired" is "Eímai syntaxioúchos" in Greek.
Holy shit what a language lol
That is clever. And cleverly pointed out as well.
Actually really clever thanks for the info
I dont get it, aomeone please explain
@@sweetbananas6077 It's three words in English but two in Greek. So it sounds like the goat-guy can't count but, in fact, he can and does.
I'll admit Hunchback is flawed af - but my God if it didn't have the highest highs of Disney intensity. Love it.
I knooow right? Also I'd use Hunchback as a counterpoint to the whole Meg being the first female lead who has experience with men. Esmeralda so has that, too. And is arguably coded even sexier than Meg.
Someone cut the goddamn gargoyles out and this movie could have been one of the best, but nooo...
They can work if they remain frozen during the third act
Yeah... oh well :P
Also one of the best soundtracks of the 90s. I love the Latin choirs!!! Also Clopin on the high notes. Also leitmotif. LOVE THE SOUNDTRACK!!!
Check out the musical version that came out... last year I think? It uses a lot of songs from the movie but has a fair amount of it's own original songs which are all _great_, and is obviously geared towards adults rather than kids.
Of all possible Disney remakes I actually _want_ to see, it's making a movie that's basically just _that musical_ so that I can enjoy the story without feeling all gross when I realize how much time is devoted to Jason Alexander as a gargoyle trying _desperately_ to be funny in a film with _attempted genocide_.
I love Treasure Planet, so the fact they had go through all of this to work on it was worth it. Hercules is what I like to call Disney Popcorn Mixed Up fun, Great, but sometimes doesn't know what it wants to be, but the acting and plot still works.
I saw him becoming a true hero as finding "where he belonged" (giving life for Meg proved it and let him stop worrying about where he belonged) and the reason the modern day fame/hero status was bad for him is because he thought it would make him feel he belonged in that role.
"I'm saving you student loans. Don't go to film school."
As I sit here, watching this video essay to understand what it is so I can know what I'm doing for my assignment. As a film theory student. At university.
Blaine By your word choice, I'm assuming you're not American, so the problem won't be nearly as bad for you. In the US, college is four years rather than three and it costs way, waaaaaaay more without actually being significantly better quality education. Privatization of healthcare and education really sucks.
Lucky.. it's my dream to go to film school. Enjoy it! I am betting you'll do great things and hope to see your name in some credits some time in the future!
cyanmanta really? Because of his word choice? Yikes....
Lilly Peterson An American would probably say "college." A non-American would probably say "university."
TREASURE PLANET IS A MASTERPIECE AND IT DESERVES BETTER. anyway love this vid, the bit about "it's more important for a character to be motivated than to be sympathetic or relatable" is really great advice
THANK YOU. TREASURE PLANET IS AMAZING. Also I concur on that second statement. Great advice.
as someone who loves Treasure Planet, I can understand why it wasn't that memorable. It wasn't marketed well and the plot was a little weak but it made you love the characters and their relationship with each other.
unless the character's arc is about finding their motivation, which is pretty common.
I feel attacked. I loved Hercules. Meg was my favorite heroine ever!! No guilt!
I know I do love Megara to as character she was awesome
I’m honestly glad that Treasure Planet was made when it was. I don’t think it would have been as visually stunning if it was made in the early 90s. It’s honestly one of my favorite Disney movies and I think it’s underrated.
"An entire canon of Bella Swans." i had to pause and walk that one off. A+ commentary.
so i found this video after a disney spiral. The way she walked on screen, booze everywhere, eating junkfood really got the mood of 2020. ESPECIALLY as she has a corona beer in the background. Girl you were 4 years ahead of your time.
Or... You know.. It could be that it's a beer... And people drink beer some times.
*The Fates intensify*
Back when corona was still just a drink.
The sanest, most grounded voice upon the internet.
Glad as always to see your iconic work.
It puts my mind at ease.
I had no idea that people didn't like Hercules or Treasure Planet. I guess i could see why certain things in Hercules bothered a lot of people but Treasure Planet? That movie is incredible. I've loved it since i was a little kid and if i had to pick an all time favorite movie it'd probably be that.
I loved Hercules as a kid, now find it meh. Treasure Planet I always thought was mediocre and sort ofstale, still do.
Yeah I just think Treasure Planet is ehhhhhh. Hercules is more fun than that one, but not necessarily better, but hella more fun
I didn't like Hunchback growing up though and it took til later to appreciate it.
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Never saw Treasure Planet and not planning on it. Hercules is a simple deal because of how much of the mess the whole movie became, especially that 3rd act.
Hercules is one of my favorites cuz I loved it as a kid, but now that I'm older I see the flaws in the film. I felt once Hercules is trained, there's no more conflict with him besides Megara who in fact is the most dynamic character in the film. Hercules achieved his dream half way thru the film.
Young Hercules was relatable but after he grows up, he becomes bland. Everyone else carries the film, Phil and Hades are the comedic relief and big personalities and Meg carries the rest of the film when it comes to character development.
One of the things I liked about this particular film was that Hercules's strength, normally an admired trait, is what made others initially alienate and look down on him as a freak.
I actually was one of the rare kids who knew at least half of the myths before the movie came out, because of my dog. My moms friend had a male French poodle named Hercules. My mom fell in love with her dog and wanted one of her own, but only a female, and both wanted to breed the dogs. Anyways, my mom wanted her dogs name to make sense, so she had me look up some Greek mythology (this is before Google days), while she did some research, and being the lazy kid I was lol, she won. And told me part of the tales. I didn't know about why he had 12 labors, or that he ended up killing Megara. Ironically, the dogs couldn't breed because my moms dog, which became the family dog, was too small, the pups would kill her if she got pregnant. So essentially, Hercules would've killed her but we prevented it and got her fixed lol.
And now that I think about it, I wonder if the name choice was why she couldn't have pups lol. Like fate working in strange ways...
That dog breeding thing almost sounds like what my mom's planning 🗿
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Sadly the days of Disney avoiding the chosen one clique is over. In the span of a few months they've had two films prominently feature chosen one protagonists: Elsa with her avatar... thing and the live action Mulan with her... endless amounts of chi.
Also Moana and they’ve been trying to make us think Rey was the chosen one
Yea but in frozen elsa isnt really the star of the show its Anna her little sister the girl without powers that the story follows
Any kind of animation + your analysis / criticism + long video = Divine way to pass time
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I have one tiny nitpick with this review, and that comes when Odysseus is mentioned. See, the Odyssey was not a quest for glory. It was one long trip home that got held up by traffic, car problems and a crap ton of gods getting ticked at Odysseus. And the reason he was away from home was because he was sort of forced to go fight in the Trojan War. I take umbrage with the idea that Odysseus did what he did for selfish reasons. Yes, he was arrogant and proud and a bit of a smart-ass, but his main goal was always just getting home so I can see my wife and family.
well, yeah, but point is he wasn't doing it for the greater good. XD
+Chez Lindsay Point taken. I just took it more as an implication that the Odyssey had more in common with Jason and the Argonauts or the tale of King Arthur, rather than an ordinary(ish) man with ordinary goals pushed into not so ordinary circumstances. My apologies for taking it the wrong way.
P.S. EEEEEEEEEEE you replied! Big fan.
except that he kinda was doing it for the greater good because his castle was being overrun by a bunch of assholes that wanted to steal his property and rape his wife and daughters if he didn't get there fast enough.
There was literally no sense of glory or selfishness in the Odyssey.
temptation, destruction, and distractions yes, but Odysseus was able to overcome all of that because of his drive to save his family and home.
This point was made pretty clear in the video. In the section mentioning Odysseus I was thinking the same things as J,J&E but then it is made pretty clear that the point is simply about a character not working for the greater good.
One could make the argument that part of Odysseus' story is his working for the greater good .. of his crew and family. No version of the Odyssey that I've ever read or seen plays this up very much, but I think one could make a version where this is at the forefront and not have it be completely awkward.
I think it's 'selfish' in the sense of the word, that it's a very personal motivation. It's a motivation that has universal themes - protect your family - but it doesn't really have anything to do with the universal good. I think this was what Lindsay meant in the overarching idea of a 'selfish goal'.
FUN FACT: In the original licensed Playstation game of the same name, there are 2 edits that were NOT in the official main movie but were restored for the video game during the cutscenes.
Edit 1 - a moment in which one of the dancing girls lifts her leg straight up to her face, while seemingly sexually exclaiming "OW!" as the camera rapidly zooms into her joy-filled face.
Edit 2 - during Meg's speech while she was dying. A sound effect was reinserted of Hercules throwing the pillar and hearing it crash and crumble. This indicated to the audience why Meg flinched right before she says "he promised i wouldn't get hurt".
There has never been an explaination as to why these edits were removed from the official movie, but i think the first one is kind of obvious, while the second one always perplexed me as to why it's not in the movie, but instead only in the game - of which never really gained much attention until well after the consoles life-span had passed.
I cant find these cutscenes, know where i can find them? are there other differences?
@@cannonfodder4000 There are other minor differences like the ones mentioned above. But just like the ones mentioned above, they're exclusive to the PS1 game version only. Doubtful you'll find them all on UA-cam due to Disney's strict copyright mentality.
But the Zero To Hero changes can be found on the UA-cam video called "Ps1 Hercules Intro" by a channel called Tristan Productions. Skip to 1:28 to see the leg lift i was talking about.
@@BenjiJames just saw it, OMG how is this not a more known thing lol
i wonder if the other ps1 games had cut parts like that
My only problem with this video is when Lindsay pretends that Treasure Planet isn’t the perfect modern coming of age story. It even contains the perfect teen anthem that blends the ideal amounts of edgy and genuine emotion.
I won’t say I’m in love makes up for anything else wrong with the film idc
Megara in herself and the muses, make up for everthing XD she is one of my favorite disney female characters, she was not a warrior or physically strong, yet she saves the heroe's life. Besides she is sassy, has life experience, is not naive and sweet, in general has all that " the evil girlfriend" has in rom coms ( and in telenovelas that my grandma watches...and in fanfics and in shojo animes) but she is actually good.
If anything, MEG was the real main character here 😎 I mean, she went through some character development, learning to love and sacrifice again after being burned in the past.
“Zeus got around” literally the base of every problem in Greek Mythology...
that and Hera or Athena got salty
Warranted
Nick T. Often Hera got salty BECAUSE Zeus got around
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Is it possible for consent to exist between a god and a mortal?
@@kingofthebis1068 rather than is it necessary, is it even possible? How would you know your feelings are your own feelings and not being implanted by the god?
This is so interesting to watch because on the one hand I'm like "those are all really valid criticisms" but on the other hand I'm like "but it's still one of my favorites and you can't beat the songs"
That Hades x Hercules alternate story sounds great.
Persephone who???
He's his nephew
@@hashtagwoke8506 And? Hera is Zeus' sister-
@@dylanmichaca2583 Hera and Zeus aren't brother and sister in the Disney film. so how Is Disney!Hades X Disney!Hercules okay because GrecoRoman!Hera X GrecoRoman!Zeus is incestous?
(I typed this our because I saw a logical fallacy in your reply not because I genuinely care about the ethics of Disney shipping lol)
Persephone could never 😂😂
Hashtagwoke Persephone is his niece bestie
Don't get me wrong but I was always confused why Hercules was a red-head. I'm Greek and the only red-heads I've seen are tourists. But who knows maybe in this film Hera cheated Zeus with Thor.
I always thought it could be because gingers are made fun of for their hair and so they used this to emphasise the fact that Hercules was seen as an outcast. Also links the possibility he is related to Ariel who is ginger also
A lot of homeric heroes like Menelaos and Odysseus were described as red/blonde headed, but I wouldn't be surprised if Disney was just trying to appeal to the golden jock American ideal
Yeah, might be because there's a Greek color word "xanthos" that means either red or blond, depending on the context/interpretation
I always thought it was dark blonde.
Canonically in Disney, Herc and the little mermaid (daughter of Poseidon) are cousins and both have red hair. Must run in the family
You should do a video on Treasure Planet, it is incredibly underrated, has a pretty good history to it and is infamous for being deliberately sabotaged by Disney.
And it's garnered one hell of a cult following. If Disney backed Treasure Planet like it did all of its other animated projects, it would have killed at the box office instead of being such a huge commercial flop.
I agree, it really is worth a video, as the characters are written extremely well and have excellent chemistry and charm :)
Just go and look for it, there is a video that goes over all this stuff.
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You know, instead of doing reboots of Disney classics or the renaissance age; something I still can't understand because they were wonderful and they don't need to be done again. Why hasn't Disney done reboots of movies that didn't do well? Go back, see what went wrong, whether it was marketing or tone or storyline and do better this time! Make it the hit it should have been. And the first movies I think of that deserve a second chance are Treasure Planet, Atlantis: The Lost Empire, and The Black Cauldron. I'm sure there might be others but those are the ones I'd actually want to see.
Just F.Y.I when I say reboot, I don't mean it has to be live-action or all CGI. Honestly, I miss Disney's animation. I'd like to see some of that again.
I love how many comments there are that are still complaining about her eating 4 years later when she was obviously doing it to be annoying on purpose. Lindsay is a treasure
Makes me want to hurt myself
She’s a treasure.... that we need an entire planet to hide her away on to protect her. And maybe only leave behind a cryptic map for anyone brave enough to follow to find her.
The appearance of Scar's headdress on Hercules's head makes me once again call into question the Disney renaissance timeline
I hear you. I do. And even agree. But, to this day, that is one of my favorite Renaissance movies. I celebrate its anniversaries by watching it all over again, Herc is ma babe
Renaissance? 😁
@@Confucius_76 Disney's renaissance era, yes
Hercules introduced me to the himbo!
@@ashapash Hercules is Goku of Disney because he is strong, brave and handsome yet also funny and comedic
*Treasure planet is one of my favorite movies* of all time. I don't see why so many people disliked it. But whatever. To some of us, *their passion project was worth it.* Even though we're few, hopefully it was worth it to them too.
It's not that it was disliked, it was set up to fail. Seriously, it had a terrible ad campaign and then it was released against Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone and one of Disney's own Christmas films. If that isn't contrived...
i love it too..watch Treasure Planet - Disney's Biggest by BREADSWORD and you will know why
I always loved Treasure Planet as well. But I guess I have a track record of loving the Disney movies that did poorly. Atlantis is still one of my favorites, and I hate that it's so neglected. Make Kida an official Disney Princess, darn it!
Exactly. The same goes for Atlantis and The Black Cauldon!
AverageChocolate_x omg yes! The black cauldron was amazing but Disney’s biggest flop apparently. It was the darkest Disney film and I loved every second of it.
Lindsay: Talks about insufferable 12 year olds complaining about something not being mythologically acurate.
Me: Flashes back to every goddam time I tried to WATCH A MOVIE IN PEACE with my sister around.
Disney doesn't do very many "Chosen Person" stories because Walt Disney was not a fan of chosen people.
Holy shit
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Treasure planet is one of the most underrated movies by disney
Amen to that!
And Atlantis!
IMO it is THE most underrated Disney movie.
The hunch back of Notre Dame is also underrated
Treasure Planet is Disney's most overrated underrated movie.
"Someone call IXII!" one of the best line ever written.
Edit: To all you *haters* commenting that they are Roman numerals and not Greek, might I remind you that Hercules is the *Roman* version of the Greek hero Heracles?! Who was born to Zeus and a mortal woman Alcemene, NOT Hera, Zeus' wife, who is also his sister! This movie is a *Disney cartoon* mishmash of both Greek and Roman Mythological beings/ Deities, who may or may not have (let's face it probably not) actually lived.
SO how about you allow me to have this tiny slice of happiness by remembering a funny line from one of my favourite Disney movies in peace! Be Well Citizens!
Also one of my fave lines in film
Eccept that they are greek and its roman numerals
I would say that line at any chance I could, even till this day. I am amazed at how many people never got that reference.
someone call incorrectly written 11 !!
But IXII = IX XI
That clip of Herc on his knees as shorthand for prayer coulda been actually kinda funny/bittersweet if he had brought a goat in (presumably for the sacrifice but never explicitly stated) and he's like, "Almighty Zeus, I brought you an offering" and the goat kinda freaks out like "Wait, I know what this is" and he starts trying to gtfo but after a little back and forth, Herc let's go of the rope cause he can't bring himself to hurt the innocent animal (or, if that's too schmalzy, the goat can bite the rope and free itself - letting us know the goat is kinda smart). The goat jets/is about to jet. Dejectedly, Herc falls to his knees and says, "I can't do anything right. Why would Zeus listen to someone like me, anyway?" And the goat kinda slinks back towards Herc, obviously pitying the poor kid and nudges his arm, like trying to cheer him up. Then suddenly Zeus pops in as the statue with a boisterous "My boy!" or something, startling Herc and the goat, who instantly freezes and falls over - as if dead. And Zeus is like, "Oh, you brought an offering!" but then the goat gets up cause it's a fainting goat.
The only problem I see with this rework is that it creates an awesome animal character with more charisma than Hercules and Pegasus is already doing that job.
Treasure planet was my favorite animated movie as a kid
I don't know why but alot of my favorite movies growing up turned out to be passion projects that failed commercially
Actually he's called Heracles' Monster
Heh
Wisdom is when you realize Herakles *is* the monster
LOL underrated comment
Maybe it’s because I watched it like every day as a kid, but I LOVE Hercules! I also got into Greek mythology as a kid too which made it my first “love the stupid movie despite its flaws”
SAME!! Even to this day, I still ADORE Greek Mythology, and even though this film is pretty dumb and has flaws, I love this movie too. I know a lot of people who love Greek mythology got into it because of Percy Jackson - but this was my introduction.
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Firmly believe this is second best Disney movie after Aladdin, had no idea it bombed
My thoughts exactly! Even got a glow in the dark lightning blot LoL
Same. Catchy songs, good comedy with a theme, good character arcs, alright villain that pans out to a superboss villain ending which is sweet. One of my favorite Disney movies.
I always thought the movie should have just been from Megs POV. A sort of traditional Disney Princess movie. However that’s probably bc I loved the I Won’t Say (I’m In Love) song and would have loved more of that
To be fair Odysseus was supposedly trying to get home by sea while cursed by Poseidon, Greek god of the sea. His odyssey was just supposed to get him home. While ping ponging around the Mediterranean and likely Aegean Seas to every single island he could find
anyone notice that Hercules singing ' to find where i belong ' is the exact same melody in the same key as Quasimodos 'to live on day out there '
plus the music in the first shots of the temple of zeus is the same melody as bells of notre dame!
Lol yeah! I always get those two songs mixed up to be honest!
@@neksnek2032 They’re a trope, so yeah, most will sound similar. Some use a unique melody, though.
I didn’t notice that they sing in the same key there! Thanks for pointing it out, I guess Quasimodo and Hercules love to be soft-spoken young men who sing in the same key all the time. Lol.
My memory might not be 100% but I don't believe they are. They do both descend to their target pitch and use similar rhythms. Melodic descent is how almost every melody ends. The rhythmic quirk is less universal but it works because the rhythm destabilizes when the melody sits on unstable pitches.
Lindsey should write that hercules/hades fanfic, since she is, you know, an award winner writer
Not me going straight to ao3 after reading that
I truly enjoyed your insights. Well spoken, efficient, densely-packed presentation without being boring nor overly academic. Also, you did a great job of explaining concepts and terms, giving a little bit of background to understand the analytic techniques, but staying terse too. Well chosen examples.
I just realized BNHA is what Hercules was trying to be... (As in the whole superhero/pro athlete mashup). I don't know what to do with this information, except that it only supports the idea that Bakugou is Megara
Yeah but mha only really does it on a surface level and does not do much with it
@@silverdays2909 As opposed to Hercules?
Now that's insulting to Megara.
You kept reminding me why I love Emperor's New Groove. Thanks for making my day with that.
Hércules and empero's new groove... .easily my two favs.
Of course, so much love for Hercules and The Emperor's New Groove, meanwhile The Road to El Dorado is criminally underrated.
And Treasure Planet, so good, so weird.
Isn't this the one where he's singing his own stealth theme music? (I haven't seen it in years) Damn that cracked me up.
when heracles/hercules was doing his 12th labour he found hades and asked permission to bring Cerberus to the surface, which hades agreed to if heracles could subdue the beast without using weapons.
ok so this dude on a quest asked the god of the underworld permission to show his dog to the king and hades was like ''sure just dont hurt him and bring him back before dinner'', in almost any other story this wouldve resulted in a bloody battle that ends in the hero delivering the dog's heads to the king, i like the greek version better.
also latinized form of the greek kerberos possibly meant "spotted" so hades the god of the underworld has a dog named spot... no matter how scary and monstrous a dog looks, if its name is spot im gonna pet it and give it belly rubs.
Cerberus=good boy
*Cerberus=three good bois
@@idontknowwhattochangethist9528 Hercules is Goku of Disney and Aladdin is Naruto of Disney
@@tijanamilenkovic3425 What a ridiculous comment
I just have to say I have been trying to learn editing and who ever does Lindsay's stuff is very good with timing the clips within her videos. So shoutout to Lindsay and her team for that.
i loved hercules as a kid and had no idea it "underperformed"
i had a hercules plate! that i ate my dinner off of every day! i remember watching it for the billionth time at ikea in the place where kids place, with the ball pit. i think i got a mcdonald's hercules toy. i mean, it definitely was/seemed big, at/around the time
"It's not a black or white thing - it's more of a gray-dient." Best pun I ever heard.
I will never recover from the phrase ‘an entire canon of Bella Swans’
Gonna be honest, the idea of her tasting those funyuns mixed with that corona makes me wanna hurl
Wow this actually blows my mind, in Mexico we have a different perception of Hercules, in Mexico we love it, mainly because of the voice actors (Antonio Benavides as Hercules, Tatiana as Megara "Meg", Marcos Valdés as Filoctetes "Fil", Rubén Trujillo as Hades, which is my favorite), but now looking in the anglosajon POV, it changes everything.