BADMAN OR JUST PLAIN BAD?
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- Опубліковано 13 жов 2024
- Alright it's a brand new episode of Was It Any Good. This is of course the show where we watch back at entire wrestling storyline with the end goal of finding out if it was any good. Sometimes in wrestling history can write a narrative that isn't actually right and these things need to be revisited to check. Rikishi stopped doing too cool in 2000 WWF and he was now the Badman who ran over stone cold steve Austin!
I did it for Sonny Siaki
good guy dancing rikishi = Disco Inferno
badman heel rikishi = the gifted glen gilberti (how is he gifted?)
His ass
I did it for you Jey.
For his ass 😊
@@heyyoitsmebrianhas you mom never told you that special needs people are gifted. That's how
"I did it for the Rock" is the greatest line ever
OH SHUT YA MOUTH YA THONG WEARING FATTY!!! - THE ROCK
"He did it for the paycheck"
I did dit for da people
Specially when Rocky mocks it in the build-up to Armageddon 🤣
That is not an exaggeration.
Got to move the Rock up the card while the Rock stands there with the WWF title 😂
And had already been WWF champion
I'd say that Rikishi's initial motive made more sense when you consider how The Rock was doing up to Survivor Series '99; he'd only been a multi-time WWF Champion due to the Corporation constantly helping him to retain or win it back from Foley and Rock failed to get the belt back following Wrestlemania 15, so I'd say the idea that he needed help was reasonable (especially since his only decently long single title reign in 2000 started while Austin was on the shelf).
They could have at least addressed that they were family. I remember this angle and how they just made Rikishi seem like a Rock fanboy. The whole thing was awkward.
This was so, so bad. Rikishi being the driver made absolutely no sense and was a GARGANTUAN letdown after such a long and massive build up. Then you came to find out that he was under the orders of Triple H who was the real mastermind behind it which in turn lessened Rikishi's impact even further. Just awful in every way possible. He may have turned heel but never got over being a heel cause NO ONE bought that story line and he was never really the same performance wise after that. This practically killed his career.
This and the ministry taker era was ruined.
"Maybe Rikishi really did Make A Difference with this storyline". Oh my god, Rikishi was playing the long game with his "Make A Difference" gimmick!!!!
At the next All In I want to see Markyd vs the wild slapnuts, Double J, Jeff Jarrett in a brick on a stick match with double referee for double the ref bump
Chinlocks for everyone.
Rather see double J join his dad in the dirt
The fact he had same get up while being a heel. His theme and attitude changed while a heel but not his get up 😂
I thought it was redeemable, but on a random raw the next may when Austin was heel he was just accepted as a Babyface again because him and Austin didn't like each other. That just sucked all interest out of him for me
tbh I think it's the only things they could get on such short notice in his size
Changing Rikishi’s character killed one of the greatest trios in the attitude era.
The fact that Roman has been champ for 30 years shows Rikishi definitely made a difference 😂
Hey Marky. Can I request/suggest Roddy Piper's WCW run for Ring of the Hawk please? 29 matches I think according to Cagematch. "OK OK it's Roddy Piper, does he make The Hawk hyper?"
The Hawkster flexing those 25 inch pythons
Brutal 12 inch guns
more like from MarkyPowerBottom
@@goodman_1955Ouch... Where did Double J touch you?
THANK YOU! I have been saying for years that Rikishi hitting Austin made no sense because the character didn't make his in ring debut until an episode of one of the B shows about 2 months after the hit and run
His first PPV match was less than a month after this at Armageddon.
@@HeartyArtie nope... Rikishi/Fatu was not on the card of Armageddon 99... he was part of the 6 pack Hell in a Cell a year later, but by then he was not only a member of the active roster but a former Intercontinental champion...
@@kurtpaulsen6579 So what is match 5 on this card, pray tell: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armageddon_(1999)
@@kurtpaulsen6579you absolute clown. Rikishi & Viscera faced Crash and Hardcore Holly at Armageddon 1999. Fact check before you correct others.
"That didn't help anyone in the fourties, did it?"
Actually funny 😄
Love the fact Mark got offended that the police got involved when Austin was about to literally mash his head into the wall " it's an anything goes match" haha. Even though I was a kid at the time I always thought Rikishi was nowhere near Austins level, which he wasn't, loved him with too col and the stinkface but nowhere near a top heel. That angle with Rikishi, Triple H and Austin was just weird in the end. But all love the Keesh, that theme song was top drawer.
I agree with Marky about that being silly; in kayfabe the cop who interfered should have been treated like those marks who try to invade the ring during matches before inevitably getting beaten up by the wrestlers being as Austin was well within his rights to smash a vehicle into Rikishi if he felt it was necessary to win (I also found it odd that Rikishi didn't appear to get arrested despite confessing to attempted murder).
@@tempestfennac9687 Haha what an epic reply😂😂. Yes was an odd storyline that ended with Austin losing to Triple H, which was so confusing, Austin was the victim in it all. Still classic wrestling at its finest
@@SubZero589 And then they joined forces (mind you, I can understand Austin's "HHH is so twisted I want him on my side" logic, and it did at least lead to that great angle where Austin was trying to get people to sign a petition to get the triple threat KotR title match cancelled).
@@tempestfennac9687 That's right, the petition that little Spike tore up after Austin called Molly a bimbo😂was that good it's so easy to recall. Yes I get it in twisted way too. Just an overload of superstars then
Rikishi's heel turn was a bad choice. However I do like that Bad Man theme a lot
If Rikishi brought back Rikishi phatwear I would snag up a jacket immediately
Hey, I remember asking for this one
You are the goat Hawk, i love your videos. Much love from Brazil 🙏🏼
It's pretty crazy that one of Rikishi's sons got a better main event push than Rikishi himself.
You don’t know Randy Ortons dad is a wrestler? or Bret Hart, macho man, Rock, Eddie Guerrero, Roman Reigns, Mr Perfect, Bray Wyatt, Terry Funk etc. it’s not crazy cuz it literally has happened a ton and will continue to happen.
@@JesseGMan7honestly didn't know Macho Man was from a wrestling family
@@DJMcFlintyHis father's name was Angelo Poffo. WCW Hall of Famer, Cauliflauer Alley club honoree and held some various NWA titles back in the day.
@@JesseGMan7lmao, thank you. It's actually pretty common these days to preface a completely mundane comment with "it's crazy that..."
@@DJMcFlinty Yep, his brother is a wrestler too, who just passed a couple months ago unfortunately
No one believed that Rikishi was the mastermind. The fans shit on it. He wasn’t getting the reaction Vince wanted. Vince went with Plan B, HHH. It made more sense than Rikishi, if you think about it. HHH was feuding with both SCSA and Rocky.
Bad Man was one of the best wwf themes.
Rikishi could have just said to Foley, "Dude, that makes no sense bro." And then just danced away.
I feel bad for the big kish as Taz would call him....Before that heel turn that was his biggest moments as far as crowd reaction and pops.
The funniest part about the angle was how after the reveal, Rikishi kept trying to run Austin over and then smashed up Austin's car and everything just kept involving cars, like he became a Batman villain and had a car obsession and could only commit car-based crimes
I love the Rikishi street clothes.
Ditto. Not a single jacket I wouldn't cop.
That Rock promo on him... it was impactful but I didn't realize how bad an indictment it was on the Big Kish. He looked sad there instead of angry, not sure how he was meant to keep up with Rock with that writing.
It wasn’t written and this highlights why they write stuff now. When one guy is so outmatched on the mic like this it’s hard to build heat in a match afterwards
Ref bump
car shot
Low blow
Stinkface!
also ---- youre spot on--- he needed different ring gear as a heel... the thong type trunks are no good for a more "serious" rikishi
The legendary Tribal Cheeks
This heel turn signaled the beginning of the end of The Attitude Era as WWF started slowly dipping in quality shortly after the turn
I rewatched this a couple years ago and didnt think it was this bad until you dissect it
Next Bloodline storyline will be who impregnated Roman which Bloodline members the 1 in twist it.ll be the rock but rikishi will claim it was him when asked why he.s taking blame he.ll once again say I Did it for the Rock
Whatever Rikishi did, he did it for The Rock.
The best part of Rikishi’s heel run was his outfits, the man had drip.
Undertake is like you can beat me but imma have to throw you off the cage lol
Kish is a personal favorite.
I wish they actually sold _Rikishi Phatwear_ products. I'd buy that jacket in a heartbeat.
It was super obvious to anyone watching Survivor Series '99 that Triple H was behind it all; he's the one who lured Austin to the parking lot in the first place.
The only problem was that around No Mercy, Hunter was a sort-of face feuding with Angle and Benoit, and they probably felt that after all of the build up and intrigue they needed to throw a red herring in there rather than just admit that the simplest solution was the correct one.
They could have revealed that H was behind it first and kept the identity of the actual driver a mystery though- that would have been a better way to handle things.
Or, they could have had Rikishi accuse Rock of putting him up to it from the very beginning, and then remind us (and Foley) that Rock screwed over Mankind just oe year earlier at SS '98, and smashed a handcuffed Mankind with a chair 11 times in front of his family at Rumble ''99, and reminding us all that at one time yeah was Rock was FULLY capable of orchestrating a hit-and-run.
And yeh, Rikishi could have benefitted from more wins and being smarter and stronger in general, maybe even turn Too Cool heels and become his lackeys since they ended up suffering from this plot anyway.
It's a bad angle from the start; but, there were ways to execute it better.
I remember watching this when I was 12 and just not buying Rikishi as this cold blooded guy that would attempt to kill someone by running them down in a car. Also the fact that Rikishi was all of supposed to be on the same level as The Rock, Steve Austin, and The Undertaker? It just made no sense to me :p
This is hilarious timing, I’m literally in the middle of this storyline
That camera work on the rock bottom was absolutely sickk
0:23 what's the name of the background song?
I Always Thought This Storyline Was An Amazing Opportunity To Build A New Star.
If You Remember Around This Time Triple H Started To Get Cheered Because Of His Feud With Kurt Angle.
So I Always Thought That Either Tazz Or Chris Benoit Should Have Been The Guy To Run Over Austin & Get A Push. 2 Guys Who Had That Badass Aura That We Could Have Bought Into.
It Could Have Turned The Blunder Of Tazz’s Character Around Into The Star He Was In ECW. Or It Could Have Established Benoit As A Legit Threat To Anyone In The Main Event Scene.
And If Not, It Should Have Been Triple H From The Start. Rikishi Was Way Too Loved At This Time & It Didn’t Make Sense.
I’ve heard it was supposed to be Jericho
I think the storyline was originally meant for the Big Show. It made the most sense because he took Austin's place and won the WWF Title at Survivor Series 1999. However, he had to leave the WWF in 2000 due to his bad mood and weight gain so the writers picked Rikishi out of panic.
the kurt angle spliced interview with the Rock about austin getting run over was the best thing to come from this entire story arc
If I am not mistaken, it was meant to be Trips all along but he was injured(?) so they settled for Kish as a placeholder.
This storyline had shades of Vince Russo (or it was just how the Attitude era was) because it was blown too fast. "Kish did it!", "Yes".
1:49 - solid stealth pun right there.
Rikishi did it. Rikishi did it for all of us and Rikishi even did it for The Rock.
For what I can remember from the WON, allegedly, there are two versions of the story: 1) The driver was supposed to be HHH all along but he got injured somehow and the angle wasn't hot anymore when he came back so they slapped it onto Rikishi and Trips came back as the mastermind and not the actual perpetrator; 2) They did it just to write off Stone Cold from the main event for a short while and they never thought about it so they had to come up with a culprit on the fly;
Another Marky video
"Who's got a bag?"
Creative and booking really hurt Rakishi as a heel plus his motivation was pretty bad at least initially.
"Bad Man" was probably the hilariously bad theme ever.
Most underrated more like
Triple H says "YOU NEVER SAW IT COMMING"
Rock vs rockishi. They did it for da rock
Haa!
"Who's got the baaag?"
😆👍
The best thing about that storyline was the Rikishi Wear. My mans was drippy as hell.
With the whole Bloodline feud surprised he hasn't made an appearance since his sons are at the center of it 🤨
Is that REM at the opening tune?
This could have worked if it had been kept simple. Rikishi could have done it because he was sick of wrestlers like Austin and Rock attacking McMahon and other Authority Figures, breaking the rules, yet still getting title shots and main event status whereas guys like him who followed the rules were never rewarded. He could conjure an army of jaded wrestlers who felt held down against those who manipulated the system and could'vebeen an actual war with 2 sides ... a better version of New Blood vs Millionaire's Club. Those are who Rikishi could have done it for.
This is a decent idea, that would have at least meant he was a heel challenging Austin on his own level, not just "doing it for the Rock" and later doing it for Triple H, both just made him look like a mid-carder getting involved in top-card stuff he didn't belong in.
Imagine if this happened with Roman and he was forced to vacate the title and he could spend his return figuring out which member of the bloodline ran him over.
This dude was crazy over b4 the hit and run storyline
One of the most unbelievable, poorly thrown together storylines in the wwf era.
He did make a difference! This is the longest storyline ever!
And more importantly, Rock can talk about his titles but he wasn’t at the hieght of his popularity while Stone cold was there.
I really like Rikishi. Like you said, he always seemed to have that potential to be more, but just didn't get a good angle or something. You can blame it on bad booking or storylines, but every successful wrestler has had those and some used those disadvantages and made it into something usable. Rikishi just couldn't. He was a great in-ring talent, but I don't think if he had a personality to push him above that. If he had a mouth piece manager, maybe?
Rikishi did it for Sonny Siaki
that austin kishi match was awsoem i remember watching it through scrambled ppv
This angle was baffling? WWE basically botched it every step of the way.
Rikishi sold the peoples elbow like he was in the exorcist
in order to get the Rock in bandages, you have to hit him with a semi
Rikishi in a moo moo is also hilarious
He probably would have had a better career if he never got injured… him and haku would likely have became tag team champions he would probably have feuded with Kane and undertaker and when Austin won the title at mania he might have ended up feuding with him in 2001 due to their history it would make more sense than Austin facing Benoit/Jericho and Kurt angle.. but sadly injuries ruin a lot of careers
I think Rikishi could've been a main eventer, but the booking was so bad.
The minute Triple H revealed himself to have orchestrated taking out Austin signified the end of Rikishi as a legitimate threat as he plays second fiddle to an upper-carder. But you had a point where Rikishi running over Austin for The Rock was also playing second fiddle to an upper carder and a champion at that.
He’s a baaaaaad man.
He jaywalks for fun.
3:36 idk if he meant to say that as a foreshadowing but if so that was a good one
Rikishi socking jr cracked me up
If you're going to do videos of phases of someone might I suggest Sting's heel turn in 1999. Definitely less than 30 matches as per the guideline.
Shuv it squadddddd. Rikishi was an awful heel. The Rock bottom was amazing, sunglasses stayed perfectly on his face 😂
The irony is that while Rikishi flopped as a heel, his three sons currently in the WWE have proven that they can play heelish characters very well. You saw how the Usos were as heels, both before and during their time in the Bloodline, although Jimmy is much better in this role than Jey. Solo Sikoa, Rikishi's youngest son, definitely has a very heelish vibe to his looks, and it looks like he is being positioned in the same role as Roman Reigns when the latter was in the Shield (silent powerhouse role). So you have to wonder how differently things would have played out if Rikishi's heel turn was booked more competently than what we got.
I still think the highlight of his career was when he did the "Rikishi Splash" off the cage onto Val Venus. Which, iirc, happened in NY, tho I could be wrong.
Also often overlooked
“I did it for the rock”. The rocks impression is actually what people thing of lol 😂. Wwe was too stacked at this time for rikishi. Rock stone cold undertaker angle Jericho kane
Rikishi should of got new ring attire for the bad man gimmick.
Similar to Solo's?
I could honestly see a this working like the Mark Henry hall of pain gimmick a big man who's tired of being a joke and is now full of aggression and anger taking out people left and right in his bid to make something of himself.
I still say the worst was the ministry undertaker era being Vince as the leader and to just attack austin was dumbaf! Coulda did so much
Yea the ending of that storyline was appalling
"I did it for The Rock" low key spread the seeds for the og Bloodlines 20 years prior if he didn't actually did it for Triple H lol
I wasn’t a fan of heel rikishi but in too cool I loved him!
I loved the last video, hope you get to do more like that one.
Me too
they were trying to build to stone cold vs rock, and since stone cold is naturally paranoid he believed what rikishi was saying
WHOZE GOT DUH BAG!?
The only good thing about rikishi's heel run is his badass intro track. Not only is this one of the worst heel turns in wrestling history, it's as bad as when Goldberg turned heel back in WCW
Haha I love the idea that Roman Reigns, The Usos, etc. are only succeeding like this bc Rikishi ran over Stone Cold for Samoans everywhere
Whoop Whoop! Much Love Y'all
Hoping for Insane Clown Posse in TNA video
now hold on a minute playa, mick foley we will have a tag team match and the winner will go one on one with da UNDATAKAH
HOLLA HOLLA HOLLA
His bad man theme was a banger
Rock, Austin, HHH and Rikishi… someone here is not like the others 😂
I know I've been asking for a "Ring of the Hawk" for Christian's solo run lately but given what we've heard happen at All In, I got another. How about a "Punk or Punked?" a video about Cry More Punk and his attitude problem?
I didn’t mind it I always thought in the back of my mind before Rikishi was Made out to be the guy who ran over Stone Cold I always thought it was either The Rock or Triple H so to me it came out of nowhere that it was Rikishi but I got why they did it but it could have been done way way better.
For everyone that says that Russo wasn't responsible for the main event angles during the Attitude Era, this is what they were doing after he left.
Then you have the botched Austin turn, the invasion, etc, etc.
I'm sorry, but this a very stupid comment lol. He left in late 1999, and the year 2000 is widely seen as the best year the company ever had, and Russo was busy doing his crap in WCW, which is widely seen as one of worst years a wrestling company ever had. Vince and Co were better at this than Russo.
@@DevilSurvivor69 they ran Austin over like a month after Russo left and their creative geniuses came up with that.
Widely seen as the best year? According to who? The marks that watch for the longer fake fights and clean finishes? Because that's what they did, took away all of the amazing moments for more wrestling and goofy nerdy shit like Edge and Christian. Financially they did well but WCW wasn't competing with them like they did in the beginning of 1999, all of their metrics falled off a cliff before Russo even got there.
Yeah we saw how great Vince and co were before Russo got there with their putrid TV and we saw how quickly went to shit when they stopped to ride the wave of Russo's momentum, by late Summer 2000 they were losing viewers on TV already. Then you start having garbage and attempts at doing Russo's style just in a much worse quality, rewriting the shows the day off, etc, etc.
Look at how much creative dropped the ball and botched stuff after Russo left and then talk to me lmao
@chuckbuskeeYou don't have to tell me that WWF trying to do Russo without Russo was the shits, I watched it, I know that.
Yeah it was worse than all of those. Steve Austin came back to TV and there was no ratings bump because of the awful job they did at creating the storyline and setting it up for Austin. Just like they did an awful job after Austin turned heel, and during the invasion, etc, etc. Which led to Austin walking out in 2002 due to being unhappy with creative for a long time
I always thought heel Austin was good. Austin himself said he had a blast being a heel.
@@DevilSurvivor69 You are the first person in my life I've seen state the year 2000 was the company's best. And I've been watching for over 20 years.
Rikishi's best macth was against The Rock
"that didn't help anyone in the 40s"... Jesus Christ
The RIkishi turn could have worked if he then became a legit tough heel. He got his ass beat by Stone Cold right away and that killed any momentum.
I like how people talk mad shit about my boy Hunter burying people, when this angle was the beginning of 2 years of Stone Cold burying absolutely everybody in service of his own ego. What ended it? Him taking his ball and going home because he refused to put over Brock Lesnar, who is now legit one of the greatest of all time.
That being said, Austin was often times more entertaining about it than HHH. (Scott hall comes to mind)