Inside Tinman Elite | EP 2: The Split
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- Опубліковано 13 жов 2024
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Inside Tinman Elite: the series that started it all. We've promised since day 1 that we would share our story, the good and the bad.
We share our experiences in hope that you find similarities in your own running journey. We are all truly in this together, and we thank you for all your support this year.
Produced and Directed by Max McNerney
Edited by Kevin Gunawan and Max McNerney
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Tinmanelite came out the year I started running, i truly dont even now where i would be with out this group of guys these guys showed me what running truly is, it's not just some sport, it's a lifestyle and they showed me if you have a goal strive for it.
........Every setback is a setup for a comeback/keep the ball rolling
This is an incredible story. I support Tinman with their choices and everything. I used to not be a huge fan but I can see why. Change is important in life and they needed that for the sole reason of improvement. They’re all so talented and you cant blame them for much of this. They work their asses off every day for this sport and it’s not fair they get this hate for no reason. If you’re gut tells you something, you go with it and nothing else
I agree 100%
Tinman is the coach lmao
I'm not even a huge fan of TME, but this filming is so incredible. This is a beautiful film.
That was so good!
Also, social media can be a total toxic wasteland that can only bring negativity to your life at times. Glad you guys are seeing that.
Grateful to finally hear the story behind this year. Tin mob forever
Really love this new style of filming and story telling!
Have been following TME for a couple of years now, and am very glad they're getting these out there this week. Great videos, props to Max!
To the team, I'm glad you're working to get your groove back. Rooting for each of you!
Trolls will be trolls, but know you've got a lot of fans too
The only reason I wasn't here IMMEDIATELY as this video was posted, is because I was giving a presentation to my school board about an overnight XC trip for our team this fall. Best believe that I'm HERE NOW!
i've always been a huge fan of this team. they are so authentic with their struggles as a team and individual athletes. everything yall put out on social media never fails to make me feel so glad that there are people like you who continue to share things like this. sending so much luv!
I love the part where they don’t mention bringing lawyers to Tom because he wanted his well-known nickname to stay with him to use after being fired. But now TME gets to capitalize off of it while selling apparel with the name of their former coach on it and he’s getting nothing.
pretty BS.
Tbh I never knew tinman before Tom and I thought their coach was Leslie the whole time. He seems very capable of training these boys and getting what needs to be got from everyone
He's also very supportive and seems like someone who really cares about these guys
Thank you for continuing to push the sport in the right direction. Much Love
Good to see the boys getting back to themselves. Can’t stand seeing people be hateful and rude with comments, but they do not understand the struggle of running or being a professional. This is one reason I cannot stand social media. Keep pushing guys 💪🏻 idk if y’all will see this, but y’all have a been a source of inspiration for me and my running career. Thanks!
Good job putting the critiques of you guys out there and being honest. Now, regardless of what you do in any given workout, you need to be an arrow with a 3 year target on Paris. It's silly that people on Letsrun say your training partners aren't good enough. Nobody wins by running fast in practice, and it's not like everybody else is crap. They're as good as a good number of athletes on any other professional middle distance group out here. Best luck.
I honestly love Reed's comments about authenticity vs transparency. Seriously, so good! Love your story and a huge fan of Tinman Elite.
I know for myself you guys are Tinmam Elite, it is your journey that I am enjoying and following. So keep working hard and get after it, you only owe it to yourselves and the ones you love AND I'll be cheering you guys on, all the way
this is fire. behind you boys!
This video cleared up a lot of speculation and confusion. I don't know the full situation but I will say that I commend your focus on brotherhood and looking after each other. Praying for strength and guidance on the Tinman Elite squad. Process not outcome.
Runners continuously beg media to uplift the running world, to support teams, to make running BIG as a sport. When a big name team is in a growth period we tear them down. Supporting the reader of this comment in their running and supporting TinMan in their seasons of growth. Make running something everyone wants to be apart of no matter who they are or their circumstances
Don’t big name teams usually have a runner at least make it to the trials?
The cohesion of this team is incredible and together they made a decision to do what's best for everyone. Who are we to judge them for that? Change is necessary for growth and I'm glad to see a bold decision made knowing it would be met with all kinds of criticism.
Reed is so well spoken. Really helped explain everything well and clear up misconceptions.
Would've liked to hear from the dissenters (Syd, Jeff, who both left the team) as well tbh
I’m sooooo confused
@@ItsNoelMulkey two members of the team left during the split, and it would be nice to hear more of the story than "we had difficult conversations ahead of us, but luckily everybody else was thinking the same thing" meanwhile two very prominent members of the team are no longer racing for them. Just seems like there is more to it.
they’re only putting in things that help to fit their own narrative
@@phillipdorado7686 True, leaving out how they stole Toms name for merch and threatening legal action when he wanted his fair share.
Tinman is great for getting non-athletes and non-track/XC people interested in the sport. I love it! I know a few who saw me watching this and asked a ton of questions about TF/XC.
Letsrun is truly the 4chan of the running community. Nuggets of great info amongst a sea of absolute dogshit. I suppose anonymous posting will do that. The ridiculous hate is the complete opposite of the running community I’ve encountered in real life, one which espouses camaraderie & support through tough times & injury.
This kind of content is always positive for the sport, don’t let anyone tell you otherwise.
👏👏👏
Exceptionally well made. Great job Max and Kevin!
Hello Otto brother
LetsRun has such a toxic community. great video guys, gives us all a lot of perspective.
This is a beautifully made series. I’m a huge fan of you guys and will continue to watch and support. I truly appreciate everything this team does for the sport. I am just genuinely curious as to why you’re not acknowledging the fact that you’re continuing to use the Tinman name after spending this episode publicly criticizing Tom. It’s the one part of this that I would hope you could discuss.
Nice to finally hear both sides of the story, much love. Keep the ball rolling.
what is the name of that song? got me fired up!
What's the name of the song that starts at 12:40? Couldn't find it anywhere. I've fallen in love with it
So hyped for Joey's steeple PB!
No matter what you think about Tinman Elite, you have to be glad they seem to be turning a page and running well again.
3:46 didn't know the Tiger King was out of prison already, amazing that he is back on his feet, and running professionally now.
I understand the premise of “team first coach second” but these boys are going to get to a point in their career where they don’t have a coach they can trust and a bunch of teammates who are bouncing ideas off of each other without a structured training regiment. You think Galen Rupp ever cared who his teammates were? Nah the dude just knew Alberto would always be there for him (leave the doping talk out of here). Anyone who joined bowerman, joined that team for the coaching of Jerry Schumacher and the ease of being on a team, then they also get the benefit of the teammates. Not the other way around.
whats the song at 12:40?
Wow, I’ll admit I was disappointed when they split with Tom but I see a glimpse of what they went through. Mental health is so important in running and these guys were bashed hard. Sometimes it’s just focusing on yourself and not others. One of the biggest downsides of competing.
This time, they reach for the Axe!
Damn this was way more candid than I expected. Appreciate the authenticity, makes following your journey much more interesting
One must salute the Tinmen for aiming high. However, there may a lesson from all this. The fact that Rupp stays off social media and does not allow himself to be vulnerable may be wise. I enjoy the Tinman videos with a sense of nostalgia, as I'm sure most folks see themselves in their struggles, their triumphs, etc. However, there is a price to being vulnerable to social media and in the highest levels of track and field, the mental side is huge. The emotions need to be given as much thought as other aspects of preparation, so perhaps a more conservative approach to social media is better. In a way, it is like one's diet - one must be smart in how one eats. Likewise, all the other little things have to be done well, 24/7. The Ingebrigtsens throttled back their social media a few months ago, perhaps recognizing this.
I’m not sure you can really make too much money off this sport unless you are a consistent winner at the highest level so what they are doing is probably more lucrative in the end seeing as it’s a team of many and not just a couple brothers or one person.
It’s only wise to stay off social media if you can afford to do so… most athletes need to be on it for sponsorships and to gain traction and brand awareness
Always appreciate Reed's view!
I stumbled upon Tinman Elite last year, the same time I started getting serious with running. It's always a great day when there's a new Tinman Elite video, and I will continue watching and supporting you guys.
So damn proud of you guys. Tinman forever ❤️
This series is insane, love it
The clarification is quite relieving. Glad to see that! props
Persistent boiis
Family is everything
Loved this guys! Thank you for the story.
The second episode is amazing amazing amazing
13th minute had me tearing up :')
Let's go, guys!
Change is definitely important and I respect the decision but Tom is definitely right to run at the level that Drew wants he does need faster teammates that’s why btc is such a fast team
This some movie level stuff I like it
Best of luck to you guys
Did jermaine need that?
Respectfully I feel Drew should have stuck with Tom. Clearly the environment and team has brought up everyone else that's joined. After seeing the accounts from Tom's wife and this video, I feel they may have missed the mark. Something needed to change for Drew, but I don't think it was his coach. I guess we'll never know though. Hopefully following his ambitions will be enough to help him reach his potential.
Not even a runner, but you guys and your mindsets are incredible. Love watching the boys put in the work, glad things are starting to turn around 🤙
why is it such a big deal that they changed a coach?
I think because Tom has been there since the first time.
he wasn’t though, tinman formed before tom. And literally so many teams change coaches after olympic years or bad seasons, it’s just because they’re popular on why so many people got mad
@@dster864 Isn't the name of the team from Tom "Tinman" Schwartz. It didn't exist before him.
@@bennsamm they said it the group formed before he got there
They wrongfully reappropriated his name and likeness, which is the centerpiece of the team's branding. And Tom's apparently not litigious (ultimately a good thing) so TME goes on its merry way. Hopefully we see some of these guys at the trials in '24 and less theatrics and projection.
This video is what makes Tinman different from every other team out there 🥺 Family over everything 😤 You guys make me proud keep going! Big things ahead!
I would say I think Tinman Elite is good for the sport but sometimes there's a human component. From the last episode Jaminie said "we rolled the dice on a new training method". It wasn't just Tom making the decisions it seems. Plus he moved out to Boulder to coach the team and to just say he's no longer needed is kinda disappointing and then they copyrighted his name. In a way I would say Tinman is authentic and this series is helping rebuild their brand, but the public perception I would say has probably changed and it will be hard to fix it to some people.
hype
13:45 - not a bad time for 1500 Jeff
Du SWISS!!
Nice comment!
I figured this is more how it went down. I understand the focus of trying to qualify for Tokyo, but you all should’ve defended yourselves earlier.
#tinbeta is back! Y'all need to rename yourselves, the trials have long passed and that's what you've promised
The weslfy stans haven't been paying attention I see
#TinmomElite
That's Tinmom Subelite to you
Beta?
WHY DID SYD LEAVE?
Tammy are you here in the comments?
anyone know the song at 12:50?
Ok I'm just going to say what it seems none of their fans are saying: these guys are way too emotional and it seems like they need to decide if they want to be influencers or elite runners, because you can not be both. I understand changing coaches is an issue but seriously, just get over yourselves, your emotions and your bro hugs. If you want to be the best, shut down your UA-cam channel and move to Iten to just focus on running and nothing else.
Is Syd gone? 😭😭
i hope not, but he has been separated it seems 😫
At this point it seems like it, he’s scrubbed any mention of tinman on his insta
@@alanlam3066 yes unfortunately he is. His been running unattached. 🥲
DU SWISS!
You don’t choose du Swiss, du Swiss chooses you
I tell myself this every morning, afternoon and evening.
I’m literally so lost
That's fine to move on from a coach if training is not going well, but you stole his name. That's my issue.
exactly. so low. They could have and should have come up with a new brand instead of riding someone else's namesake.
Haha, letsrun is pure trash! Brush that right off and keep going!
most overrated group lmao, these dudes are so dramatic and blame anything and anyone but themselves if they don't perform well
Tinman, the actual person was right. Sucks you scapegoated him. I feel like someone at Adidas should step in and get control here.
I wanna be a fan- but the name thing just comes across as a dirty move. Pick a new name and move on fellas
I like these guys but they don't deliver and it sucks
You guys are jokes. You fired Tinman and hired someone who just copies his training (and does so poorly). You showed no class by stealing his name for the group. I won't be rooting against you, but I damn sure won't be rooting for you.
you really missed the point of this video.
@@thebkandjoeshow2191 I didn't miss it, I'm just smart enough to see through the BS. When they hired Drew's MOMMY (a high school coach) it showed they aren't serious. They are nothing more than actors in a crappy youtube sitcom.
@@joejoe5415 not sure if you know who drew hunter is. i agree with the mom hire. it’s a little stupid. but these guys are committed to their jobs.
Yeah they copied it and improved it
Betas