As a person who is in the study of psychology, I can say that the whole situation is just horrible. First of all, I took it upon myself to analyze Wade’s for interview and I found his words to be inconsistent with his body language. I also watched Mj and his side of the story and came to find his body language and context very consistent. As someone who has multiple family members who have been abused and have been told “this is how show love,” I know that these kids will still more often than not show BIG warning signs to not only family but also to the world. MJ was genuinely oblivious as to what a childhood was because he didn’t have one BUT what he did know is that being a child meant purity and innocence and I think he wanted to live that so desperately because of the Trauma he went through with his own father and being in the room while his brothers were having sexual relations with girls in the same room as him. In order for all of this to be true, he would have to be a master mind manipulator with the knowledge to fool not only a judge but also the FBI (side note: not even serial killer mastermind Ted Bundy was able to fool them and he had a masters in law and psychology). Remember people these men had the last 5 years to orchestrate and perfect their story. Also, it could very well be for money. They’ve said time and time again that it is not for money and they are not receiving money for the film, however, they are receiving fame and attempting to sue the money that belongs to his children behind the scenes. This is MAJOR red flag because if they really wanted JUSTICE, they would not be taking the money from the kids that had nothing to do with the alleged INJUSTICE. Food for thought.
I believe these young men, and it's heartbreaking. The gifts, the mock marriage, it's all very, very familiar. I had a friend who was raped by someone who ran a very powerful organization. This man had multiple victims. ... This girl, testified that nothing happened, when she was 18, but still "under the control" of the group / person. And, later, when she had a kid, of course, she came forward, wrote a book, etc. ... I've known her since I was a kid. I know she was telling the truth and I saw her being groomed to lie.
@@smilelikeUmeanit90Wtf is wrong with you.... So if a woman goes to the police right now and says you raped her........... And you didn't...... You gonna say what proof?? Video tape.... Stupid ass. Jeez... Respond please.. I wanna hear it
Evil is not a sickness. That you don't have a childhood - doesn't justify abusing/grooming and manipulating little children and their families. We all have responsibility for our own actions. This story shows a SICKNESS in our society = If you are rich and famous or beautiful (and in this case an extraordinary singer and dancer) that means that you must also be morally good. It doesn't. You can be a talented singer and also be incredibly evil. But the cognitive dissonance and mental discomfort by this fact - is extremely hard/nearly impossible for many people to deal with. They can't reconcile the IMAGE that they grew up with - the music, the man, the superstar/God figure - with the cold, hard reality. That is why we are seeing a collective kind of "brain spasm/aneurysm" in comment sections and media. It is a desperate attempt to keep the world, keep reality as you always thought it was. This Michael Jackson case hase caused me to reflect more about how i view famous people, and if a good thing comes from this it's to be even more critical of the people who present themselves or are presented as GOOD people. Not everything is as it seems.
kbhanna24 if you want to know what Evil is, look at the people who commissioned this documentary. These people wanted to accuse an innocent famous dead man of awful things to push an agenda to normalise pedophilia. Don’t be a person that is a brainwashed sheep that believes fake news in the media and a one-sided documentary - learn discernment!
Omg you wrote a book to show your ignorance toward an innocent man, don't you see they are lying through their teeth, they sued MJ's estate for 1.6 billion dollars after the guy 's post in a mj tribute show in 2011, has been rejected.
I'm not a big MJ fan, but I don't buy these men's tales. The fact that they've changed their stories several times ought to ring alarm bells. The truth doesn't change.
Sherese James-Grow you have been deceived! These people have photoshopped their lies in to your mind. Look into a Michael s eyes he is a genuine person.
Every time I hear an individual oppose the idea of Michael being a molester it’s the same thing “they’re attacking a black male” “he didn’t have a childhood” “ why are the victims waiting until now to speak” “the family is out for money” “he’s an innocent and shy, childlike man” even though I don’t think anyone who famously grabs their crotch in front of an audiences for a performance purposes is so extremely childlike. There are no found films of Michael sexually abusing his victims and for that people are disregarding everything that comes out of the victims mouths, this is very concerning. So many are refusing to watch the documentary and I believe that it’s for the fear of it altering their opinion. It is incredibly problematic to put MJ in a whole other category of an individual because he is the king of pop and not allowing him to be responsible for his actions. Just having sleepovers alone with other people’s children and allowing them to sleep in the bed with you should have been the only amount of evidence to get you to suspect that something very wrong is going on.
I've never been molested, but i know people that have... First of all, child molesters tend to target family members first, their own kids, nieces, nephews etc... only then do you go outside... the day i hear one of Michael's children/nephews acuse him of molestation, then i'll start believing... Second of all anyone who goes through a traumatic experience like this would never think of making a documentary, they would go straight to the authorities and open a case, end of story. Sad that so many people will easily fall for this, a documentary that was probably years in the making, well crafted to make it seem real, sincere... Its complete BS
blindade1 there are several variables that factor into who a child molester will pick or groom as a victim. The idea that pedophiles tend to target victims within the family more so than outside the home is absolutely incorrect. There is no one prototypical child molester. There are pedophiles who target victims outside of the home exclusively, and studies show that when this is the case it is often observed that there are multiple victims. One study indicates that child molesters who sexually victimize females outside of the home averaged approximately 20 different victims. That same study found that child molesters who sexually victimize males outside of the home averaged approximately 150 different victims. Secondly, the idea that you think you can speak to the validity of how every individual person on this earth deals with trauma specific to them and only them is blatant cognitive distortion. You can’t read the minds or intentions of those men anymore than we can read the mind of or understand the intentions of Michael Jackson. No one knows the truth except for the people who were there, and anyone else who claims to has no business pretending their argument is objective.
DIAY FATOUMATA what would going to the police accomplish when the statute of limitations has passed and the accused has been dead for ten years? What would the police even do in that case? What could they do? Denouncing anyone requires a platform to do so. What platform would the police provide on their own... years after the fact?
@@lilmisfit I agree that no one knows the truth of what really happened and it would be stupid for any of us to put our hands in the fire and say he's innocent or guilty... But the fact is that the documentary itself is unusual, the accusers are unusual, the timing is unusual, too many red flags surrounding these allegations... Wade's story is extremely unusual, Thank God i've never been molested before but i have been physically abused as a child and i know people who have been molested... The truth is you can't stand to be in the same room with your abusar, and all Wade wanted to do is be around Michael????!!! I don't care how much grooming you do to someone, that shit don't happen like that, especially with kids, someone would have picked up on something a long time ago.
@@lilmisfit Wade knew Michael for over 20 years, if Michael had done something to him he would have said something a long time ago, or at least had a mental breakdown in court in 2005 when he testified in favour of Michael... I'm not saying Michael is Guilty or Innocent, but a 4 hour documentary is not something you would do after going through what they claim they did... Speak to real victims of abuse, you'll get an understanding of their behaviour, Wade is an actor who wants to get payed at all costs, nothing more.
The FBI investigated MJ for 10 yrs and found nothing. The FBI. So your telling me a film director has more resources and investigative skills then the FBI?
Your response is very articulate, and I agree with you 100%. I think the parents were in denial, complicated by the fact that Michael Jackson was a Supernova.
Great vid, couldn't agree more. Too many people see this as "Michael's not a monster so he couldn't have done this" or "Michael is pure evil" and the truth is it's likely in the middle. He was a complex person who probably justified his paedophilia to himself as an act of gentleness or love. He probably believed "he could never hurt a child." His persona as a lovable, kind-hearted person may not even be a charade. It could actually be the very means by which he was able to convince the families and enamour the children into a false sense of security with him, all while he took advantage of them while claiming he loves them. That grooming perfectly explains why the kids and the family refused to betray him on the witness stand. I think MJ has in affect also groomed the fans. A lot have developed a kind of parasocial relationship with MJ where you said it perfectly... they think they know him through rare interviews, or their interpretation of his lyrics, or whatever scraps they get via the media, but the truth is they don't. It's ridiculous just how many fans look past or try to explain away even his non-sexual inappropriate behaviour (wanting to spend his every waking hour with children all the time - even if he was denied a childhood that is simply messed up... there is no hand-waving you can do to explain this behaviour as normal - it is ridiculous - and not to mention scary - that so many people try to rationalise it rather than condemn it.) Because of his constant contact with children, he had every opportunity to develop obsessive, or what he believes to be "romantic" feelings for the kids, and persue sexual acts that the child is too star-struck or enamoured to fight him back on. Obviously I wasn't there to witness it, but so much adds up in favour of the children's story, including alignment with how the psyche of an abuse victim tends to work, and all in all, it unfortunately really looks damning for Michael Jackson.
MJ had a lot of power and money. In Amerika you can buy your innocence. People with power are lying more easily than people without power or a high position. Read Psychological research on that matter.
I appreciate your openness, common sense and lack of bias and judgement. Your explanation of the young boys experience seems very plausible to me. You seem like a very insightful person. Thanks.
The documentary was very emotionally manipulative. And you clearly fell for it hook, line and sinker. I wish people would research and gauge the credibility of these two accusers before rambling on the internet; have some intelligence for god's sake.
gerald the_science_guy Gerald, you are completely right!!! This documentary as you so correctly said is very emotionally manipulative to draw the gullible viewer in this so-called documentary is tragically not based on the facts. The facts are accessible to everyone. it just requires research about the facts of the case going back to 1993 and then in 2005. MJ was found to be innocent. This ia all about MONEY. Wade Robson and James Safechuck are suing for millions of dollars, if the MJ estate had no assets this documentary and the rest of this fiasco would never have taken place!! orant viewer in tragica
Staged? Lengthy rehearsals involving mothers, fathers, grandmothers, therapy, suicide, divorce... Quite a show... Even Hollywood couldn't have done better! Yet you hold your position with no compassion for what happened to these kids because it is more important to protect a member of your color 'group'. At ANY cost. Just like the KKK.
@@helenamaria710 oh honey I've spent the better part of the last two weeks knee deep in rebuttals and debate over this mockumentary. We, the ones with any type of common sense, are tired of arguing with people like you(easily swayed by propaganda). So I'm sorry if I don't make u feel important by refuting your dumb claims. Good luck being a sheep, or whatever.
MJ was counting on people to think like you. That's how he got away with this in his life time. So sad. Just because someone is rich and talented doesn't make them a saint.
John Henderson Don't be so naive, do your research!! All the facts are available on line. Wade Robson and James Safechuck are suing the MJ estate for millions of dollars....it's all about the MONEY!! If MJ's estate did not have any assets this so-called documentary and the rest of this fiasco would never have taken place.
thank you! i was just about to say that! so what if they have jewelry? james and wade have an acting background too. people really need to look at Wade closer.
All those nicknames are what he calls everyone including some of his siblings. Apple head is in fact a nickname for MJ by the family. I first heard him called that by one his cousins in MJ Home Movies released in 2003. There was video that came out after his death where he calls his son, Prince apple head while teaching him chess.
I'm from the UK I watched part 2 last night.... I have no words I'm completely mind blown by it all its like a dark cloud over my head I can't describe it but I believe these men and i don't often say that especially when talking about sexual abuse but it was just very emotional and heartbreaking it could be true about mj I'm lost for words 😔
Girl, I can’t get that vision of James’ hand shaking while holding those rings out of my head... and his appearance on Oprah, watching him... I just had to pray for him and his mental health
Oh gosh the handshaking was haunting, he was much more convincing than wade because it showed so much how he still felt guilty about what happened, still ashamed. How can anyone not believe him. His pain radiates from the screen.
Research well before you speak out because you have to know More about this two accusers. You are saying like you know more than court investigations for 10 years .
What was the court going to investigate? Boys who were told to expose their anus for Michael to beat off leaves to trace. Your statement is highly ignorant.
Thank you for sharing this. Couldn't have said it better myself. Was thinking everybody had gone mad thinking Jackson is innocent and victim shaming the survivors. Survivors should feel safe to come forward. Not have to deal with this crap. I think this is just the beginning. Now that this documentary is out and James and Wade have shown the courage they have in telling their stories. I think more will come forward. I hope they do.
I actually saw the 4 hour documentary and I wholeheartedly agree with you girl Don't let these bots bring you down The most interesting message was definitely the grooming aspect. The length to which MJ went to create a personal bond to the families, to condition them and for them to give him access to the children. How MJ was making those children fall in love with him, so he could use them to explore their sexuality. It actually made me re-think my definition of abuse. I fully believe that the two men were genuinely in love with Michael as kids and that Michael was in love with them He was not violent to them, but he did violate laws, because children cannot consent and he left lasting scars! Even though MJ may have been a 9-year old in a 35-year old body, that does not excuse his crimes! It actually hits close to home, because in primary school, a friend and classmate of mine, who was developmentally much further than me, also used me to experiment and explore his sexuality through 'doctor games' on numerous occasions. Sure, we were the same age, but he was already much further and smarter than me and I was just tagging along. These sexual experiences in your formative years actually imprint upon you and shape your sexuality, in my case to this day. I didn't protest, because he was my friend, I liked him. I knew we were doing taboo things but it felt exciting back then. I had no concept of what was happening, because I was just a kid. That was the interesting parallel I drew to the MJ documentary. I could really empathize with what these two guys were describing and the relationship they had with MJ... This is why I also put equal blame on the parents, because it is their job to keep their children isolated from the adult world and safe from harm! (Sorry, I had to share this somehow, anonymously; Also, I love MJs music, but art is separate from the artist)
Thank you! One thing the stans like to do is focus on the victims instead of the VICTIMIZER. To look and these things objectively and actually put some blame on MJ would be too much.
Why would a grown man spend so much time alone with little boys? I smell some kind of sexual attraction. In the 2003 “Living With Michael Jackson” documentary, MJ admittedly said to the 13 year old boy _"ok, if you love me, you'll sleep on the bed."_ That sounds like a grown man talking to his 13 year old lover.
Lie Detector Test Please! I think it was a BIG mistake for Oprah to do the LNL documentary post-interview. BUT... Just because these journalists are saying that Oprah sided with the accusers doesn't mean it's true. I don't see her agreeing with them - I hear her saying everyone needs to talk about where and how sexual abuse can possibly appear as a way to prevent it from occurring. I am very sad she did the post-interview.
@Beegee L why keep bringing up Weinstein? Children are not capable of defending themselves. The one minute you leave them with a guy you thought you knew, something bad already happened. And guess what, they don't even have to take off their clothes!
You are very right in what you say. His fans love "Michael Jackson" the brand, not Michael Jackson himself. They have built up an image in their minds of what he was like because that is how he presented himself to the world. You could even say that he groomed the world into accepting that what he was doing with all these children was normal and healthy behaviour. Being constantly in the company of children, talking constantly about children and singing about children normalised it and desensitized the public to the strangeness of it. The truth is that very few people really know what happened when his bedroom door closed. The people who are screaming his innocence want him to be innocent but cannot possibly know for sure. Sometimes it's easier to ignore a truth because facing it hurts.
He was 11 (not 6) when The Jackson Five dropped their first single but was told to lie and say he was 10 cause it was “cuter”. He was also told to lie and say Diana Ross “discovered” them cause it made for a better story... He lies on camera quite a bit on “living with Michael Jackson” which broke my heart to see him lying on tv... It was drilled into him from a young age to show people what they want to see.He was one of the greatest entertainers of all time but he has ruined those men’s lives... I’m so sad but I totally agree with you and I’m pissed off with other hardcore fans who are not emotionally intelligent to see that Wade and James are not lying..
Paul Aiden Michael had been performing with his brothers since age 5, long before they were signed to Motown, Joe had them perform in adult bars , parties and schools, Nobody said he was six. He did lie about his age when at Motown as directed, he said he was 9 when he was 11. if you think Motown is when Michael started performing you’re very misguided, they actually were signed to steeltown records before Motown.
These two men who accused Michael Jackson; Wade and James are into it for the MONEY and it was always about the money. If one took the time to check the FACTS and all the transcripts from the past, you will know he did not do these horrible things. 'Leaving Neverland' left out a lot of information concerning Wade and dating Brandi Jackson for many years during the 'supposed' abuse time. Also, Wade testified in defence of Michael in 2005 and quoted "Michael never touched him and would never let him do that". Right up to 2012 Wade continued to defend Michael until Wade was rejected to work on the project with Cirque De Soleil's called 'ONE'. There's much more one could find out about Wade's history. And as far as the 'Living with Michael Jackson documentary', Martin Bashir twisted the story to suit his needs and made it sound sexual. There was a follow-up documentary called 'The Footage You Were Never Meant To See' @v20s hosted by Mauve Povich, to prove that the Martin Bashir's documentary had been doctored. Please take the time to watch. Mac, Brett & Corey have told people about Michael and how he was with everyone. The sad thing is Oprah never liked Michael and she, being an abused victim herself would side with the boys. I hope the Jackson Family will proceed with their rebuttal film to show the true man Michael was. Also to be successful with their lawsuit towards HBO - OWN. ❤️❤️❤️ Justice For Michael ❤️
She don't know these liars..so what is she talking about..I could make up a story about her..or anybody. .give me a break..she probably beleved Jussie too..
Just shared this to my twitter. I agree completely with your review completely. I still feel bad for MJ childhood and always have. However like you I believe these men. What is your twitter handle I would like to follow you if that is ok? take care
@@siva1149 hahaha you almost freak me out with your MJ handle. Go worship your MJ and send your kids to feed his desire. I ain't no class like you to use f words
To everybody who says they're lying: I watched the documentary last night. And what I found to be very interesting is that Michael Jackson had a type. Everybody has a type. And his type was white little boys. Or at least light skinned little boys. If this is about him just being childlike and wanting to play and hang out with kids, then why wasn't he hanging out with little black kids? Why wasn't he hanging out with little Asian kids? Why wasn't he hanging out with little Indian kids? Why were they all white? Why did they all look so freakishly similar? I just can't believe you people. Yes there are discrepancies in Wade Robson story. But I 100% believe that Michael was a child molester. And the fact that you people can look at what he blatantly did and support him?Let's just say I hope that you don't have child molesters in your family cuz we all know who you defend. And it wouldn't be the kid. SMH! Disgusting. Emmanuel Lewis was the only exeption. And who knows if he even was attracted to him. You have to ask yourself why if Michael loved all kids, he never had little girls around him?? And then ask yourself, if you really think he's innocent, would you ever let your 7 year old sleep in bed with him?? In theory? I mean, he was harmless right? Watch the ENTIRE documentary and then tell me they're lying.
@@carolinagonzalezs. you're right about that. It didn't make sense UNTIL I watched the documentary. This was Michael Jackson and you have to undedstand the amount of admiration and love these guys had for him. There is also a huge amount of shame that comes with being abused sexually. There are different stages. But if you loved your abuser, you bargain in your mind and justify it so that you don't have to face that someone you loved hurt you. Have you seen the documentary? The entire thing?? If not, please do so. Then come back and tell me what you think. Either way, i find it nauseating that SO many people are defending him and shout INNOCENT from the rooftops. NOBODY knows whether he's truly innocent or not! But people CHOOSE to support him regardless. None of you knew this man!! But you'd rather defend him blindly instead of AT LEAST hearing out the possible victims. People like you that judge victims are the reason why some don't ever tell. And you are also the reason why so many abusers get away with it. SMH.
No one will ever know what happened except the people who were in the room alone behind closed doors. That goes for both sides in this debate. I cant find it in my heart to call MJ a molestor without physical proof. However I totally agree with the disbelief over how these grown adults refuse to admit at the very least there were some serious boundaries crossed with these young boys that should not be overlooked. Flying aesthically similar 9 yr olds out like groupies on a tour and sleeping in the bed with them is highly suspect. People cant seperate MJ the artist from the real person whom they never met personally. They are so captivated he could moonwalk and sang Thriller they re letting things slide they would never allow for the average person. This celebrity obsessed fandom group think is quite sickening. But I totally agree with pretty much everything you typed. If anything this whole debacle taught me people see what they wanna see.
@@carolinagonzalezs.1st off they dont claim they were "raped". 2nd you need to educate yourself on child molestation and stop speaking on a subject you clearly know little about.
Michael Jackson admitted to sleeping in the same bed with little boys. That’s no secret. Even with that bit of information, people still believe that nothing inappropriate ever happened, that in it of itself IS inappropriate. People would rather look the other way just because of how famous and powerful he was.
The “documentary” was successful in eliciting an emotional response. But the logical evidence points to these two being liars especially Robeson. I feel bad he didn’t get the gig for Michael Jackson cirque du soleil that he wanted to direct, and his current financial situation, but what he’s doing through this quasi-documentary is wrong.
You feel bad for them because they said it was love and not abuse? Yeah they are saying that now, very well coached up. Key fact, they weren't the in boys anymore. Got upset and very jealous and that was that.
I disagree on a few things. The video of Michael wishing Wade happy birthday was a facade, that outfit was from his Artist of the decade award in 1990 shot on March 14th. Wade's bday is September so that's sketchy already, James rings 💍 could've been bought in some shop... I do believe the parents more. It was no secret Michael would spend hours on the phone with whoever
MJ did these awful things and I also blame the parents. I don't care who the F you are, you are NOT a GROWN ASS MAN getting in bed with my kids. Wade was only 7 and James 10, for F sakes!
I don’t have a comment about your subject matter, but I have to express how pleased I was to run a cross a Blogger that chooses to conduct themselves with maturity and projects that of an educated woman. I am so sick of all the Bloggers that every other word is the F word and they cannnot form a sentence without profanity. It hurts my spirit to hear all of that vulgarity. It’s sad to know that most of them are raising children and they must speak that way around their children. Not to mention that their children’s teachers, peers, etc. can observe that behavior. Sad world! Thank you for your class!
The problem was not knowing if we knew him personally or not. I'm the first to say that we never really know people. However, I rely on facts, and the fact is that he has nothing to prove his guilt. A guy who can fully assume that sleeping in the same room as children so open and decompressing manners knowing that he was shy about his personal life and that there were already the first charges, is in my opinion a people who really has nothing to be blamed. And as for the person who really knew him, one finds the same things about his stories as the fact that he never had a move or moved acts and unhealthy with regard to his children.
I agree with you, Kia. It's so sad to believe this is true. I've loved him & his music although as he grew older he was so weird, eccentric...I believe James & Wade & the other boys (men now.) Of course the Jackson family is going to deny this. (It's all about the family name & the $$$, right? Power & money) I wonder why Michael's sisters haven't commented yet. Also has anyone ever came out saying maybe Michael may have been abused as a child? ...That he saw this as what love is supposed to be like?? with a child? So sad. I just came about your youtube video searching to watch Oprah's interview on "Leaving Neverland." I'm a new subscriber. I like what you say.
They practice this for a while for this documentary...one is an actor...wade tried to get a book deal...it failed so he hooked up with high price lawyers to go after MJ estate...the F.B.I. could not find anything in his home or computer for ten years...plz do research...Oprah is doing this for ratings because she has loss endorsements and most of her channel she doesn't own anymore...must do the research first...especially on wade...its all about the money...his estate...and his catalog...at&t...HBO...and Tom Warner along with Oprah is involve in this whole shenanigans...do the research...and go by the facts...billions of dollars is the motive
This is your reaction to the film which you are open to having as we all do but just take some time out to watch some videos or go online to research the fact to gain a better understanding of both sides to make your opinion stronger. As we all know that there are two sides to every story
are you aware that Appelhead, DooDoo head and Little one are all nicknames used bith on him and on so many others including his family and fans? like really? that convinced you?!
They are very bad actors and this is lies. Mj was innocent and should be celebrated for what he did for the world and thousands of children and adults alike
If he wasn't normal why do let you kid sleep with him when it's such a big deal. And they say they love there parents, really??? No either their parents don't give anything about there kids just money or they lie.
And look at all the children they didn't have dad's Michael didn't have a dad so he became there dad. But Michael did grew in many ways but never in age so he was acting as a child. Seems logical right???
I like your thoughts on the documentary. I completely agree that ANY person that has been abused SHOULD be listens to and be taken seriously. I COMPLETELY AGREE with that 100% abuse happens everywhere to all kinds of people everywhere. When a victim comes forward what does the police do? They can't just say hey this person accused you of this horrific crime your going to jail for X amount of years. No, the police HAVE TO investigate into the charges to make sure that this is the person that did it and they have proof. No one has a problem with them coming out or that they made a documentary. The problem is we hear from the accusers. A professional film maker looks at all the picture. We got a VARY well made pull on your heart string film to grab people's attention. I like the fact when you said that you hard someone talking about wade dated Michael's niece. Which is true, Michael introduced wade too Brandi at the age of 10. They officially started dating at the age of 12. You can find an interview with her on utube izm radio confirming this fact. Now, wade said Michael molested him until he was 14 years old and didn't want them around girls. Does this inconsistency itself not set off some things that were left out and make people at least question to check it out and if that's not right well let's check out of there's something else. Wade sued the estate few years ago the judge threw it out, then he tried to get a book deal on his story but no publisher would touch it, he wanted to direct the Michael show that was coming out and he didn't get the job that's when he started all this. On Matt Lauer interview in 2013 he went on the show after having some counseling already saying vary firmly " this is not a repressed memory" he was 30 years old at the time, but now he's saying it's his son's birth that have him the revalation. So as a youth he didn't know this was abuse, in 2005 when he had an extensive cross examination and asked point blank were you touched by Michael in ANY way he said NO in anyway they asked him he said no. In his 30's he said he always knew what happened to him. So, which is it? U did know you lied or you didn't know, your son trigger it or you always knew. Which one? He says that the burns kid and culkin replaced them. How is that? Culkin is 2 years older than wade and culkin was around right after home alone! So Michael dropped the 14 year old for a 16 year old? The barns kid well now a man has sent a letter I'm pretty sure before the film aired to get his name out of the documentary because it's in a context of saying he was Michael's next lover and he is saying it's false. There's more about him but a little bit about James. People say this is a text book child abuse and you know what their right they can find James wedding story with Michael in a book called"Michael Jackson is my lover" written by Victor Gutierrez. Michael sued that man and won 3 million dollars. He still owes the estate for that. The bros and alarms James was talking about. Michael's employees stole from Michael and they'd eavesdrop on him to sell stories to news papers. He sued the employees as he won. There's an interview with one of them who still says owes him money. The employees sued Michael for wrongful termination and they lost. Maybe it's me buyout that ring James is showing looks a bit big for a kid. Wade and James are represented by the same lawyer. So, there is a purpose of them doing this vary well made documentary during the me too movement is to get peoples full support. Why was this reliesed last min? Why not let the public know few months in advance? Because, if they did we'd check on these guys before the movie and then question a lot of it or not even see it at all. This way they just ambushed this film and people only got to see their story. Now, I didn't write all this to change someone's mind I know everyone is traumatized by what they saw and we're humans with emotions and not having a background knowledge on something makes us react someone irrationally. I'm a mom I know I would have reacted to this the same way of I didn't know about these guys. One more thing there is an award winning journalist by the name of Charles Thomson who was on bbc radio who has done an extensive investigating into Michael's aligations has tons of facts and now about these two men. Please listen to his interviews reaserch what I've said TAJ Michael's nephiew on trt listen to what he says. I wouldn't want to be falsely accused and be put on public judgment without facts. Would any of you guys?
I don't have to watch the documentary to judge. The 10 facts at vanityfair were enough for me to know MJ was a paedophile. The sick part is if you have a few guys show up on the stand and say good things about your conduct and behaviour, they're powerful statements. It's a poor concept. A few fruits don't represent the whole tree. Another method of defence is to discredit the prosecution witnesses. Digging their old petty criminal records like stealing etc. Oldest tricks in the book. The fact that MJ was found innocent doesn't mean a thing. It's the outcome in the court of law - this may or may not represent the real life situation. Fans will have their verdict. I'll have mine.
You actually sound like a grown up. I’m just watching in disbelief as I see the responses. They want to believe in anything but the truth. I don’t really care about the people who don’t believe them or won’t watch the documentary...it is on them. Like the director said, this is really about the two men and other survivors of abuse.
"They want to believe in anything but the truth." Hello, that sounds like you. They don't have any proof to back up their lies, and yet you're here eating it up like a thanksgiving dinner. Who's really delusional here?
Watch some videos on the channel "Michael Jackson Allegations" This "documentary " complete with emotional background music... relies on the words of 2 men. Wade seems to be a liar and manipulator... has connections with a Man-boy organization that promotes pedophile relationships. Learn about Guttierez.
@@michaelkays9801 Michael didn't have a dirty mind, he didn't see anything wrong with it, kids were his true friends, sleep is sleep and it doesn't mean anything. I undestand your point but you're judging him wrong.
new to the Channel...this documentary rocked me to my core I didn't even feel this watching r.kelly...I prayed the whole time I watched that these horrific things didn't happen...but the more I watched...the more uncomfortable I felt..literally I was anxious and nervous...my heart was in my stomach! I cried I left the room repeatedly to hug my son randomly...I just couldn't get this out of my head...and watching them I didn't see two men...I saw two boys who were so unsure of how to feel you could see the confusion on there faces I tried not to believe it but it was beyond convincing...what men would get on national tv with such graphic in depth details about these things transpiring the more I watched I felt omg he was a pedophile...it wasn't on the surface and tapes or pictures weren't found but he actually had these boys thinking they were in a relationship with him...they were as sick as It sounds...the persuasion...the enticing with gifts and making them feel special and like each of them was the only one...I just couldn't contain myself..
Even though the comments are highly entertaining, I have to be clear. This reaction is to the documentary ONLY. This isn't a review of the court proceedings, testimonies and affidavits. Some of ya'll need to relax because you are proving the stan part of my point.
So survivors who disagree with you are entertaining? Wonderful. Use ad-hominem attacks rather than being open to doing more research; so are you just lazy or dumb?
comments are for discussions so If you don’t want discussions disable the comments. As for referring to court cases and legal evidence we’re just filling in where the doc fell short, providing evidence . I may be wrong but I feel like if these comments were filled with people agreeing with you there wouldn’t be a problem. No negative energy, just saying . And yes, I’ve watched both parts.
The children never slept in the same bed. MJ's bedroom is 2 stories and the size of a duplex.. Entire families slept there. Only way to circumvent statute of limitations in court, was to claim they didn't know it was abuse. Dating the niece was not a rumor, breaking up Justin and Britney was not a rumor. Wade defending Michael up until being declined for the Cirque de soleil One shown not a rumor... Jordan Chandler NEVER ONCE said anything against Michael - Jordan emancipated himself from the parents as soon as he could. I used drugs as young, i was never abused... None of your points make sense. It doesn't MATTER if he did what these two claim, Wade testified TWICE in court. ANY belief in the US justice system should make it IMPOSSIBLE to believe a word this man is saying now. The supposed "charity" Wade is championing now with his wife is clearly a scam. The wife is on record to stating she has no knowledge of how it feels to be sexually abused, yet when the charity opened, the page states she too was a survivor of sexual abuse. Trinkets were .... trinkets, nothing about them says "This is from Michael Jackson" at all.. They could be just a talking point. Since 1992, they have uncovered zero evidence of any wrongdoing on Michaels part, in spite of having had the man stand butt naked, and being photographed in the most private of situations, to then not use this socalled "evidence" in the case, because it apparently didn't help them in their case. 28 years of investigations, many of them surveilanced and zero evidence uncovered.
So Macaulay Coughlin wasn't a major star as a kid as if Gary Coleman was Todd Bridges was and Dana Plato was to name a few River Phoenix in a slew of others let's not go into just because a kid had personal issues that they were molested as kids if it's facts being presented yes if his accusations being accusations no I think that this man is gone they had ample amount of opportunities to say what they needed to say when he were around what's the endgame now what's the endgame money? Or fame whatever it is it's an agenda if he's guilty he's a terrible man if he's not guilty is he still a terrible man
I LOVED your commentary! It was one of the most educated and unbiased review. You had compassion on these kids and you had compassion on Michael. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 MJ was an extremely broken individual with too many people idolizing him. His emotions weren't healthy or developed from his family, nor his character from being so famous across the world. So it's not shocking people don't want to believe it. The state of this world is mixed up. They immediately believed Jussie Smollett (I didn't) with no specifics and no one else to back up his story to find out he's lying...YET immediately disbelieve those two guys (I do), with their specific details and multiple people saying similar things. Most people in this world are definite not woke. They are severely blind. Thank you for being one of the few woke ones....😊.
My cousin 'Eddie Gilreath' promoted the 'Jackson 5',he worked for Motown over 25 years. He said the Jacksons were nothing more than wonderful. he said no it was not true about Michael. its amazing that we are the only race that will turn on their own people. I don't believe anyone that comes back 20 years later asking for money. shake downs happen to wealthy , famous people all the time. I am sure Michael was not perfect but the Man is dead. he gave more money to Charity than anyone . that's what happens when you help people, they turn on you. its best to take care of yourself and family and leave everyone else to help themselves. Bill Cosby EXPLOITED I am sure he was guilty of sexual relationships with a few of them. most of these women were paid. Bills sins found him out. that's it sins , not criminal offenses. his entire family paid the price ,so sad. men cheat and do all kinds of sexual things everyday. hes certainly not the only one. yes they paid a price for fame. grown men ask underage girls out all the time. these young women are different than us in the 70s. many 12 year olds look like 30 because of their promiscuous life styles. sometimes men mistake them for older. lets talk about these young boys they are like 30 year olds when their 10 , many young people are sexually active. they shoot down our men everyday , I don't hear black women speak out. with all the things done to our people then and now ,we owe them nothing,if he Michael was a little guilty ,he is still innocent ,these kids have already been sexually active. a young girl offered herself to my uncle for 10 dollars ,he reported her to DSS ,to investigate her environment.
Jordan Chandler REFUSED to testify in 1993 and 2005 trial (the civil settlement didn't avoid him to testify in a criminal trial, what kind of "pedophile" let to his "victim" to testify against him. His mother June testified and was desacredited). Jason Francia and his mother were disacredited, Gavin Arvizo and his family were disacredited too. Wade Robson and Jimmy Safeschuck's allegations were DISMISSED by a judge. All these allegations were about MONEY, not JUSTICE.
I don't think that Beyonce is a very cool person behind closed doors, but I worship her because of her voice. I also used to worship MJ because of his voice. I cried like a baby when he died. But I have to admit that he was a very twisted man. Many parents mess up their kids. As a kid, MJ was destroyed by his dad. When he became a man, he didn't know how to function. A horrible childhood can result in a twisted adult. MJ lied a lot. In 1993, MJ told Oprah that he never bleached his skin, but his 2009 autopsy revealed that he bleached his skin. That's just one of many many lies. P.S. Don't judge me for worshipping these celebrities. If you have an exceptional quality (exceptional voice, beauty, intelligence etc), many people will worship you. It's human nature.
Speaking from an Unbiased perspective and in defense of nobody on either side... I ask why is the discussion so based on their documented testimony now?? I come from the understanding that these gentlemen were involved in civil and criminal cases and testified under oath in the opposite direction (The difference now being that they aren’t held to the utmost obligation to tell the truth). I believe you’re accurate in saying around 7 other alleged victims were involved in cases with MJ but their stories went unheard of specifically because of the two men in this documentary. Are we not allowed to question those facts? I personally cannot just blame trauma for their mishaps becuz their situation is somewhat unprecedented. It’s not often that you hear of victims who have felt enough healing or growth within to speak on their abusers in a close amount of time, let alone face them in a court of law in that kind of potential solidarity where all they have to do is tell half of the details presented in this doc. I’m just saying these facts make these allegations just as questionable as MJ’s actions would’ve been had he been alive and this came out.
and how do u know he did it were u his personal guard 24/7 n do u think FBI who searched his whole house n found NOTHING were stupid ? didn't know their job? n do u think those who examined his genitals n gave a report tht the description didn't match were also idiots? the accusers said he was not circumcised and in the report the police stated he was really all the facts r out there LOUD and CLEAR. WE FEEL BAD FOR U GIRL . MJ WAS INNOCENT PERIOD. RIP MJ. UR INTELLIGENT LOYAL FANS R HERE TO DEFEND U MJ UWERE A WARM COMPASSIONATE KIND HUMAN BEING
That's bullshit! He maintained custody of his kids, which is unusual for a parent under investigation for child abuse. Did CPS ever get involved for investigation of his own children's welfare? Wasn't the parent's just get paid off versus wanting real punishment? Bullshit!
Give me a break. No victim of molestation is confused or even feels "love" towards their abuser. This documentary set us victims back about 100 years. I didn't love any of it...and repulsed of the idea that a child engaging in painful sexual abuse would be "in love", according to all the people who believe Jackson is guilty. You are all enabling a nasty misconception about child abuse survivors, (that they used to say about women who were raped); that we could have POSSIBLY "enjoyed it." I cannot believe NO one had a problem with that narrative in this emotionally abusive documentary.
1) i am sorry you had to go through anything like what is described in this doc, you didnt deserve that. 2) it doesn't set you back 100 years. when some children are sexual abused they don't realize they are being sexual abused and it affects their love map. It is why SOME kids deal with self loathing later in life and ask themselves why did I stay? what's wrong with me that i stayed? not all abuse victims are the same. These two victims are imperfect, but it doesn't make them not victims
@@didibobo4866 Probably not. Most child victims are sickened by their perpetrator, and never look forward to being in the room with them alone. Read about girls who get kidnapped, and how frightened (although dependent) they became when they heard their perpetrator approaching the area where they were being held.
@@didibobo4866 Pedophiles and rapists are the only people who believe that their victims felt a "connection" to them while they assaulted. This documentary inadvertently supported a nasty rumor about people who survive this trauma, (which I doubt these men did).
You are incorrect. Child victims often feel loyalty and love from their abuser when it is a friend/mentor/relative. They are groomed. They feel special. I have many friends and family who are psychologists and they have counseled children time and again who loved their abusers. They felt special. They were loyal. They go through a grooming process. They are brainwashed. There are other types of abuse also. Some don't feel that way. Some abuse is more violent or less based on grooming and brainwashing. However, to say these cases don't exist is utter ignorance. Read some case studies.
I mean James just kept saying we went to this room...had sex...went to this room and had sex....We went to another room and had sex 🙄 not that graphic. Just sounds like he read graphic books
@@KiaShakur you base your fact in a movie not evidence. How someone could fund his evidence on a accusation movies. You know how many times thoses dudes lieying in their own accusations ??? How a grow man just know he was molest by someone else just because he watch is own children and imagine the same thing his so call victims do to him ???? Realy ???
ANYBODY can come up with "graphic details" if they read up on real victims' testimonies. Just give me a "role" and I will play it like a star after I do a little documentation on it. You'd better FOLLOW THE MONEY! See what they're after...
My darling only inform you about the facts and especially the dubious past of the presupposed victim. It is therefore not useful to know Michael to know that he is innocent.
No if that was the case they would of did this documentary when Michael was alive. Money money money. Look what’s going this year in the USA and the world . Think about it look history
First thing Michael is resting at peace. There word against Michael who is gone. No defense just tearing down a mans legacy of word of mouth. You can’t believe what u here Think about it. You need to look at facts and look at the 2 guys background and what’s really going on. That’s like you accused someone of a crime. Go to court. Change your story multiple times. Then say the person didn’t do the crime then years later after the man is dead you come back with allegations no way. And look at the time of our country this going on. It’s crazy times out here. Michael was all about positive from his music to his interviews. Its sad people will side with the negative with out even truly knowing. It’s sick you chose negativity over positive. Now it’s true we don’t know if people have dark secrets. But we can’t say everyone has them that’s casting judgement. Without facts it’s good positive people In the world and if you believe from just word of mouth and no facts or evidence. Then that bad to tear down someone who left the world trying to be in a positive light. Write is write and wrong is wrong. But a man is not here. Michael to defend his self which he has already done. Yes the werid stuff he is done is crazy and put in a bad position a target. But truth is I don’t know. And you don’t know. But as a big fan of Michael and reading about this what was going on in Hollywood and the word. I choose to believe Michael was a good soul. He has billions of fans and only 2 guys who are doing this Michael spent time with a lot of kids and people. And open your eyes it’s doesn’t add up. Timing the 2 guys don’t just smh take this documentary. And cast out Mike wow don’t be so influenced. With out truly knowing. Look at u already thinking the negative on Mike. Know one really knows and mike is gone in the grave. But I choose to believe the positive!
crazy coco Why are we overlooking that the first “victim” from 1993 admitted in an open letter than the allegations were not true. He had a protective restraining order against his father who was abusive and wanted access to his trust. The second “victim” went to trial and MJ was found not guilty on all 14 counts after 200 witnesses, 2 complete home searches and a complete body search. The FBI investigates for 10 years and found no evidence of any crime(all 366 pages are available online). The stories that Robeson and Safechuck pilled are almost word for word from a Victor Gutierrez book( a man whose a know pedophile). In 2017, Robeson and Safechuck sued for $1.6 billion and the judge threw the case out. Now after this documentary, they’re looking to repeal.
@@bluebirdredrobin6827 "Why are we overlooking that the first “victim” from 1993 admitted in an open letter than the allegations were not true" because you are not well informed. chandler never said these claims www.snopes.com/fact-check/jordan-chandler/ for more infos www.mjfacts.com/
Girl you sound too much like a regular person with common sense. I believe both of them. I’m not sure what evidence people are looking for when it comes to molestation. How can they prove they were touched, fondled, or masterbated by someone 30 years ago? When a friend says they were sexually abused, we don’t ask for evidence we stand by them. MJ was extremely smart and the best lawyers that money could buy!!! You really think he was dumb enough to have kiddie porn? Who needs that when you are spending 300+ days with actual children? Stans, please miss me with that the FBI did a 10 year investigation and found nothing BS! The man was arrested in 2003! They had enough to arrest him, nudist magazines which included children were found in his bedroom. One of them is called The Boy or Boys Will Be Boys - perfectly legal but a sick thing to have. Plenty of witnesses spoke up but the jury was looking for smoking gun evidence such as semen on a boy’s clothes or a video tape. Michael was way too smart for that. There is plenty of witnesses like his maids who did testify to seeing things and being suspicious about it. The reason that Wade was even called in to testify is because one of the maids claimed to have seen sexual abuse with Wade but when he denied it what could the prosecution do? That really was what they would have needed to be able to convict him. MJ actually plead the 5th and didn’t testify on his own behalf so please stop with the he’s not here to defend himself thing. All he was going to do was hire another defense team to speak on his behalf. He still has that even in death. The only difference is he would be in jail this time around if he were alive. I expect more boys to come out. My own theory is that Johnathan Spence is next to come out. People need to do their research that man was a pedophile. How many people have to come out for Stans to believe? They will call any and everyone a liar. For me, this is enough. 5 people are enough.
They said Michael was watching porn all the time, then who supplied Michael with these videos? It's not like he could just go out and buy them, it was the 80s/90s and VHS tapes are hard to hide and are large not to mention they said they watched it in the bathroom on a small TV that would require a VCR which is large and cumbersome. Maids and family and friends would have definitely come across them at some time yet no one else put their hand up to say they saw them??
I was born and raised as a Jehovah's Witness. In my household, I can say it was more liberal compared to my JW friends that were shattered from the world. To those who aren't JW, you'll see their behavior as eccentric and weird compared to others. Due to our teaching--whats consider worldly they do not interact in. And compare to JW from the city and country----chile that's another subject in itself. I understand his behavior about children because JW places children in a special light especially due to the teachings of Jesus about children. MJ growing up as a JW is so heavily reflected in his work from the Earth Song and other works.
It’s funny how some people turn into psychologists voicing opinions on this case! If he wasn’t who he was would you accept an average joe sleeping in bed with a child? Spending hours on the phone!? I believe he knew exactly what he was doing, hence creating a atmosphere that would be attractive to children! Painting a portrait that he was a child mentally.. all grooming behaviour! I don’t care for his accolades he was a predator period!
As a person who is in the study of psychology, I can say that the whole situation is just horrible. First of all, I took it upon myself to analyze Wade’s for interview and I found his words to be inconsistent with his body language. I also watched Mj and his side of the story and came to find his body language and context very consistent. As someone who has multiple family members who have been abused and have been told “this is how show love,” I know that these kids will still more often than not show BIG warning signs to not only family but also to the world. MJ was genuinely oblivious as to what a childhood was because he didn’t have one BUT what he did know is that being a child meant purity and innocence and I think he wanted to live that so desperately because of the Trauma he went through with his own father and being in the room while his brothers were having sexual relations with girls in the same room as him. In order for all of this to be true, he would have to be a master mind manipulator with the knowledge to fool not only a judge but also the FBI (side note: not even serial killer mastermind Ted Bundy was able to fool them and he had a masters in law and psychology). Remember people these men had the last 5 years to orchestrate and perfect their story. Also, it could very well be for money. They’ve said time and time again that it is not for money and they are not receiving money for the film, however, they are receiving fame and attempting to sue the money that belongs to his children behind the scenes. This is MAJOR red flag because if they really wanted JUSTICE, they would not be taking the money from the kids that had nothing to do with the alleged INJUSTICE. Food for thought.
I AGREE WITH YOU 100%....
Michael is innocent
Facts, every video where you see MJ saying he is innocent, he looks the interviewer straight in the eye! No squirming etc
Agree 10000 percent ❤️❤️❤️
Agree with you totally, MJ is innocent.
I believe these young men, and it's heartbreaking.
The gifts, the mock marriage, it's all very, very familiar.
I had a friend who was raped by someone who ran a very powerful organization. This man had multiple victims. ... This girl, testified that nothing happened, when she was 18, but still "under the control" of the group / person. And, later, when she had a kid, of course, she came forward, wrote a book, etc. ... I've known her since I was a kid. I know she was telling the truth and I saw her being groomed to lie.
This is a totally different situation. MJ is innocent.
I have a problem with accusers not having any proof for their allegations.
Sylvia Greene what do you consider “proof” of being sexually abused as a child???
what kind of proof do you mean? a video tape?...
@@smilelikeUmeanit90Wtf is wrong with you.... So if a woman goes to the police right now and says you raped her........... And you didn't...... You gonna say what proof?? Video tape.... Stupid ass. Jeez... Respond please.. I wanna hear it
@@smilelikeUmeanit90 Jesse Mollette wtf...... No proof
Evil is not a sickness. That you don't have a childhood - doesn't justify abusing/grooming and manipulating little children and their families. We all have responsibility for our own actions. This story shows a SICKNESS in our society = If you are rich and famous or beautiful (and in this case an extraordinary singer and dancer) that means that you must also be morally good. It doesn't. You can be a talented singer and also be incredibly evil. But the cognitive dissonance and mental discomfort by this fact - is extremely hard/nearly impossible for many people to deal with. They can't reconcile the IMAGE that they grew up with - the music, the man, the superstar/God figure - with the cold, hard reality. That is why we are seeing a collective kind of "brain spasm/aneurysm" in comment sections and media. It is a desperate attempt to keep the world, keep reality as you always thought it was.
This Michael Jackson case hase caused me to reflect more about how i view famous people, and if a good thing comes from this it's to be even more critical of the people who present themselves or are presented as GOOD people. Not everything is as it seems.
kbhanna24 if you want to know what Evil is, look at the people who commissioned this documentary. These people wanted to accuse an innocent famous dead man of awful things to push an agenda to normalise pedophilia. Don’t be a person that is a brainwashed sheep that believes fake news in the media and a one-sided documentary - learn discernment!
@@sarahlupo5873 Yup just showed his ignorance in that long spew of bs..... Oprah Winfrey and the elite put this shit together
Omg you wrote a book to show your ignorance toward an innocent man, don't you see they are lying through their teeth, they sued MJ's estate for 1.6 billion dollars after the guy 's post in a mj tribute show in 2011, has been rejected.
I'm not a big MJ fan, but I don't buy these men's tales. The fact that they've changed their stories several times ought to ring alarm bells. The truth doesn't change.
I was a huge fan and believe MJ abused them.
Sherese James-Grow you have been deceived! These people have photoshopped their lies in to your mind. Look into a Michael s eyes he is a genuine person.
@@sheresejames-grow1779 vindicatemj.wordpress.com/2015/08/07/the-mess-of-jimmy-safechucks-civil-suit/
Yeah, thanks to Jussie Smolt.
the changing of stories can completely be explained by psychology.
Micheal was - is Innocent
@@mdaze9753 troll #mjinnocent
You make your case VERY clearly and logically. Well done!!
Every time I hear an individual oppose the idea of Michael being a molester it’s the same thing “they’re attacking a black male” “he didn’t have a childhood” “ why are the victims waiting until now to speak” “the family is out for money” “he’s an innocent and shy, childlike man” even though I don’t think anyone who famously grabs their crotch in front of an audiences for a performance purposes is so extremely childlike.
There are no found films of Michael sexually abusing his victims and for that people are disregarding everything that comes out of the victims mouths, this is very concerning. So many are refusing to watch the documentary and I believe that it’s for the fear of it altering their opinion. It is incredibly problematic to put MJ in a whole other category of an individual because he is the king of pop and not allowing him to be responsible for his actions. Just having sleepovers alone with other people’s children and allowing them to sleep in the bed with you should have been the only amount of evidence to get you to suspect that something very wrong is going on.
Zoey
Michael Jackson is innocent
Dianne Sellmer he was inappropriate with young boys 😔
Well said, Zoey. The blind support is here is so disturbing.
@@angelfiremimosa Michael Jackson was not inappropriate with young boys. He is innocent as proven by the fbi in court.
I've never been molested, but i know people that have... First of all, child molesters tend to target family members first, their own kids, nieces, nephews etc... only then do you go outside... the day i hear one of Michael's children/nephews acuse him of molestation, then i'll start believing...
Second of all anyone who goes through a traumatic experience like this would never think of making a documentary, they would go straight to the authorities and open a case, end of story.
Sad that so many people will easily fall for this, a documentary that was probably years in the making, well crafted to make it seem real, sincere...
Its complete BS
blindade1 there are several variables that factor into who a child molester will pick or groom as a victim. The idea that pedophiles tend to target victims within the family more so than outside the home is absolutely incorrect. There is no one prototypical child molester. There are pedophiles who target victims outside of the home exclusively, and studies show that when this is the case it is often observed that there are multiple victims. One study indicates that child molesters who sexually victimize females outside of the home averaged approximately 20 different victims. That same study found that child molesters who sexually victimize males outside of the home averaged approximately 150 different victims. Secondly, the idea that you think you can speak to the validity of how every individual person on this earth deals with trauma specific to them and only them is blatant cognitive distortion. You can’t read the minds or intentions of those men anymore than we can read the mind of or understand the intentions of Michael Jackson. No one knows the truth except for the people who were there, and anyone else who claims to has no business pretending their argument is objective.
If you were molest and you whant denounce your abusers you going first a police and not media
DIAY FATOUMATA what would going to the police accomplish when the statute of limitations has passed and the accused has been dead for ten years? What would the police even do in that case? What could they do? Denouncing anyone requires a platform to do so. What platform would the police provide on their own... years after the fact?
@@lilmisfit I agree that no one knows the truth of what really happened and it would be stupid for any of us to put our hands in the fire and say he's innocent or guilty...
But the fact is that the documentary itself is unusual, the accusers are unusual, the timing is unusual, too many red flags surrounding these allegations...
Wade's story is extremely unusual, Thank God i've never been molested before but i have been physically abused as a child and i know people who have been molested...
The truth is you can't stand to be in the same room with your abusar, and all Wade wanted to do is be around Michael????!!!
I don't care how much grooming you do to someone, that shit don't happen like that, especially with kids, someone would have picked up on something a long time ago.
@@lilmisfit Wade knew Michael for over 20 years, if Michael had done something to him he would have said something a long time ago, or at least had a mental breakdown in court in 2005 when he testified in favour of Michael...
I'm not saying Michael is Guilty or Innocent, but a 4 hour documentary is not something you would do after going through what they claim they did...
Speak to real victims of abuse, you'll get an understanding of their behaviour, Wade is an actor who wants to get payed at all costs, nothing more.
The FBI investigated MJ for 10 yrs and found nothing. The FBI. So your telling me a film director has more resources and investigative skills then the FBI?
MICHAEL JACKSON BEAT OFF TO BOYS EXPOSING THEIR ANUSES TO HIM. WHAT WAS THE FBI GOING TO FIND OUT FROM THAT???? WAKE UP!!!
@@mdaze9753 lol
Yes, i do believe so. The FBI can be bought too, you know. Ever thought of that? And than MJ wasn't stupid. he knew he couldn't leave proof.
Watch the doco. He was kind and caring to the boys. They loved him. It wasnt abuse to him.
Qwerty098 Asdf It wasn’t abuse at all because it never happened.
Preach. You are so correct. Sad what people will do for fame and money. Michael was the kindest soul... to good for this earth ❤
@Sweet Pea why should he? I wouldn't address them by name either if they are accusing me of something horrendous as molestation.
Rainey J these were apparently his friends tho
Your response is very articulate, and I agree with you 100%. I think the parents were in denial, complicated by the fact that Michael Jackson was a Supernova.
Great vid, couldn't agree more. Too many people see this as "Michael's not a monster so he couldn't have done this" or "Michael is pure evil" and the truth is it's likely in the middle. He was a complex person who probably justified his paedophilia to himself as an act of gentleness or love. He probably believed "he could never hurt a child." His persona as a lovable, kind-hearted person may not even be a charade. It could actually be the very means by which he was able to convince the families and enamour the children into a false sense of security with him, all while he took advantage of them while claiming he loves them. That grooming perfectly explains why the kids and the family refused to betray him on the witness stand.
I think MJ has in affect also groomed the fans. A lot have developed a kind of parasocial relationship with MJ where you said it perfectly... they think they know him through rare interviews, or their interpretation of his lyrics, or whatever scraps they get via the media, but the truth is they don't. It's ridiculous just how many fans look past or try to explain away even his non-sexual inappropriate behaviour (wanting to spend his every waking hour with children all the time - even if he was denied a childhood that is simply messed up... there is no hand-waving you can do to explain this behaviour as normal - it is ridiculous - and not to mention scary - that so many people try to rationalise it rather than condemn it.) Because of his constant contact with children, he had every opportunity to develop obsessive, or what he believes to be "romantic" feelings for the kids, and persue sexual acts that the child is too star-struck or enamoured to fight him back on.
Obviously I wasn't there to witness it, but so much adds up in favour of the children's story, including alignment with how the psyche of an abuse victim tends to work, and all in all, it unfortunately really looks damning for Michael Jackson.
I get what you are saying, however do you read. Facts are not adding up.
@@frankieteasley2146 amen
Jordan chandler stated his parents made him lie
i am not a huge fan i like him... but proof is proof and all they did was talk...i think the FBI would have found something in 10yrs
A man jerked off to a boy's exposed anus. What trace is left from that??? C'Mon now.
@@mdaze9753 And could accurately describe his genitalia with the vitiligo pattern!
MJ had a lot of power and money. In Amerika you can buy your innocence. People with power are lying more easily than people without power or a high position. Read Psychological research on that matter.
I appreciate your openness, common sense and lack of bias and judgement. Your explanation of the young boys experience seems very plausible to me. You seem like a very insightful person. Thanks.
The documentary was very emotionally manipulative. And you clearly fell for it hook, line and sinker. I wish people would research and gauge the credibility of these two accusers before rambling on the internet; have some intelligence for god's sake.
gerald the_science_guy Gerald, you are completely right!!! This documentary as you so correctly said is very emotionally manipulative to draw the gullible viewer in this so-called documentary is tragically not based on the facts. The facts are accessible to everyone. it just requires research about the facts of the case going back to 1993 and then in 2005. MJ was found to be innocent. This ia all about MONEY. Wade Robson and James Safechuck are suing for millions of dollars, if the MJ estate had no assets this documentary and the rest of this fiasco would never have taken place!!
orant viewer in tragica
Staged? Lengthy rehearsals involving mothers, fathers, grandmothers, therapy, suicide, divorce... Quite a show... Even Hollywood couldn't have done better! Yet you hold your position with no compassion for what happened to these kids because it is more important to protect a member of your color 'group'. At ANY cost. Just like the KKK.
@@gerald_the_science_guy As a 'science guy' ...you can do better... No? 😂
@@helenamaria710 oh honey I've spent the better part of the last two weeks knee deep in rebuttals and debate over this mockumentary. We, the ones with any type of common sense, are tired of arguing with people like you(easily swayed by propaganda). So I'm sorry if I don't make u feel important by refuting your dumb claims. Good luck being a sheep, or whatever.
My intelligence tells me that a grown ass man should NOT be sleeping with young boys. It's a pity YOURS doesn't.
$$$$$$$$$$$$ makes people do crazy things. Gold Fever so to speak.
MJ was counting on people to think like you. That's how he got away with this in his life time. So sad. Just because someone is rich and talented doesn't make them a saint.
Yeah money kept a lot of people on his payroll quiet about their suspicions.
PanzerBuyer $$$$$$$ defend the estate. They dont want to know
@@clairetomkin3132 Got any proof
John Henderson Don't be so naive, do your research!! All the facts are available on line. Wade Robson and James Safechuck are suing the MJ estate for millions of dollars....it's all about the MONEY!! If MJ's estate did not have any assets this so-called documentary
and the rest of this fiasco would never have taken place.
How are the rings and trinkets proof?
thank you! i was just about to say that! so what if they have jewelry? james and wade have an acting background too. people really need to look at Wade closer.
Why would you keep the rings from someone that abouse you !!! I just thought that was odd. I wouldn’t want anything from that person around me .
@@mrscottoncandydarlinglife Yeah I agree, I would have definitely got rid of them if that were the case.
No one said it was "proof". However, Michael did admit to sleeping with children.
M Daze, actually he said he let them sleep in his bed, while he slept on the floor.
All those nicknames are what he calls everyone including some of his siblings. Apple head is in fact a nickname for MJ by the family. I first heard him called that by one his cousins in MJ Home Movies released in 2003. There was video that came out after his death where he calls his son, Prince apple head while teaching him chess.
I'm from the UK I watched part 2 last night.... I have no words I'm completely mind blown by it all its like a dark cloud over my head I can't describe it but I believe these men and i don't often say that especially when talking about sexual abuse but it was just very emotional and heartbreaking it could be true about mj I'm lost for words 😔
they are lying and sued mj estate for 1.62 billion of dollars
Girl, I can’t get that vision of James’ hand shaking while holding those rings out of my head... and his appearance on Oprah, watching him... I just had to pray for him and his mental health
The shaking probably from drug withdrawal
Adline Philip Aldine you’re an idiot. Pray your children don’t get molested one day.
Oh gosh the handshaking was haunting, he was much more convincing than wade because it showed so much how he still felt guilty about what happened, still ashamed. How can anyone not believe him. His pain radiates from the screen.
I real sexual abused individual would not have kept those rings as a reminder of his abuser. It is all bullshit.
Gugarko Jack A real grown man with morals would never buy diamond rings for a 9 year old not his family... did you see that box? Seriously?
Research well before you speak out because you have to know More about this two accusers. You are saying like you know more than court investigations for 10 years .
What was the court going to investigate? Boys who were told to expose their anus for Michael to beat off leaves to trace. Your statement is highly ignorant.
Thank you for sharing this. Couldn't have said it better myself. Was thinking everybody had gone mad thinking Jackson is innocent and victim shaming the survivors. Survivors should feel safe to come forward. Not have to deal with this crap. I think this is just the beginning. Now that this documentary is out and James and Wade have shown the courage they have in telling their stories. I think more will come forward. I hope they do.
I am still amazed that people are watching this video 6 months later
Kia Shakur I didn’t know that their was a limit on when you could watch videos.
I actually saw the 4 hour documentary and I wholeheartedly agree with you girl
Don't let these bots bring you down
The most interesting message was definitely the grooming aspect.
The length to which MJ went to create a personal bond to the families, to condition them and for them to give him access to the children. How MJ was making those children fall in love with him, so he could use them to explore their sexuality. It actually made me re-think my definition of abuse.
I fully believe that the two men were genuinely in love with Michael as kids and that Michael was in love with them
He was not violent to them, but he did violate laws, because children cannot consent and he left lasting scars!
Even though MJ may have been a 9-year old in a 35-year old body, that does not excuse his crimes!
It actually hits close to home, because in primary school, a friend and classmate of mine, who was developmentally much further than me, also used me to experiment and explore his sexuality through 'doctor games' on numerous occasions.
Sure, we were the same age, but he was already much further and smarter than me and I was just tagging along.
These sexual experiences in your formative years actually imprint upon you and shape your sexuality, in my case to this day. I didn't protest, because he was my friend, I liked him. I knew we were doing taboo things but it felt exciting back then. I had no concept of what was happening, because I was just a kid.
That was the interesting parallel I drew to the MJ documentary. I could really empathize with what these two guys were describing and the relationship they had with MJ...
This is why I also put equal blame on the parents, because it is their job to keep their children isolated from the adult world and safe from harm!
(Sorry, I had to share this somehow, anonymously; Also, I love MJs music, but art is separate from the artist)
He was not a 9yr old in a man's body. He was a wise man that liked to stay young. He is totally innocent. And wades a bad actor.
Thank you! One thing the stans like to do is focus on the victims instead of the VICTIMIZER. To look and these things objectively and actually put some blame on MJ would be too much.
What are stans????? Never heard that one before
Purple Bulb Producions a stan is a stalker fan originated by the Eminem song Stan.
Michael Jackson is innocent of the charges
Michael is innocent!!!!!!!
Why would a grown man spend so much time alone with little boys? I smell some kind of sexual attraction. In the 2003 “Living With Michael Jackson” documentary, MJ admittedly said to the 13 year old boy _"ok, if you love me, you'll sleep on the bed."_ That sounds like a grown man talking to his 13 year old lover.
Lie Detector Test Please! I think it was a BIG mistake for Oprah to do the LNL documentary post-interview. BUT... Just because these journalists are saying that Oprah sided with the accusers doesn't mean it's true. I don't see her agreeing with them - I hear her saying everyone needs to talk about where and how sexual abuse can possibly appear as a way to prevent it from occurring. I am very sad she did the post-interview.
So agree
@Beegee L why keep bringing up Weinstein? Children are not capable of defending themselves. The one minute you leave them with a guy you thought you knew, something bad already happened. And guess what, they don't even have to take off their clothes!
I think Oprah did a brilliant job. Grown men who sleep with children are freaks.
You are very right in what you say. His fans love "Michael Jackson" the brand, not Michael Jackson himself. They have built up an image in their minds of what he was like because that is how he presented himself to the world. You could even say that he groomed the world into accepting that what he was doing with all these children was normal and healthy behaviour. Being constantly in the company of children, talking constantly about children and singing about children normalised it and desensitized the public to the strangeness of it. The truth is that very few people really know what happened when his bedroom door closed. The people who are screaming his innocence want him to be innocent but cannot possibly know for sure. Sometimes it's easier to ignore a truth because facing it hurts.
He was 11 (not 6) when The Jackson Five dropped their first single but was told to lie and say he was 10 cause it was “cuter”. He was also told to lie and say Diana Ross “discovered” them cause it made for a better story... He lies on camera quite a bit on “living with Michael Jackson” which broke my heart to see him lying on tv... It was drilled into him from a young age to show people what they want to see.He was one of the greatest entertainers of all time but he has ruined those men’s lives... I’m so sad but I totally agree with you and I’m pissed off with other hardcore fans who are not emotionally intelligent to see that Wade and James are not lying..
Paul Aiden Michael had been performing with his brothers since age 5, long before they were signed to Motown, Joe had them perform in adult bars , parties and schools, Nobody said he was six. He did lie about his age when at Motown as directed, he said he was 9 when he was 11. if you think Motown is when Michael started performing you’re very misguided, they actually were signed to steeltown records before Motown.
People people! Please listen to this interview for charles thomson on Reason bound! Is one of the most important interview about mj!
These two men who accused Michael Jackson; Wade and James are into it for the MONEY and it was always about the money. If one took the time to check the FACTS and all the transcripts from the past, you will know he did not do these horrible things. 'Leaving Neverland' left out a lot of information concerning Wade and dating Brandi Jackson for many years during the 'supposed' abuse time. Also, Wade testified in defence of Michael in 2005 and quoted "Michael never touched him and would never let him do that". Right up to 2012 Wade continued to defend Michael until Wade was rejected to work on the project with Cirque De Soleil's called 'ONE'. There's much more one could find out about Wade's history. And as far as the 'Living with Michael Jackson documentary', Martin Bashir twisted the story to suit his needs and made it sound sexual. There was a follow-up documentary called 'The Footage You Were Never Meant To See' @v20s hosted by Mauve Povich, to prove that the Martin Bashir's documentary had been doctored. Please take the time to watch. Mac, Brett & Corey have told people about Michael and how he was with everyone.
The sad thing is Oprah never liked Michael and she, being an abused victim herself would side with the boys. I hope the Jackson Family will proceed with their rebuttal film to show the true man Michael was. Also to be successful with their lawsuit towards HBO - OWN. ❤️❤️❤️ Justice For Michael ❤️
These innocent children.
I blame the parents first and foremost "your duty is to protect your CHILDREN ALWAYS"!!
And you know him?where.is.your proof judging him?
She don't know these liars..so what is she talking about..I could make up a story about her..or anybody. .give me a break..she probably beleved Jussie too..
his voice was so high because he had undergone chemical castration as a juvenile, i read.
Just shared this to my twitter. I agree completely with your review completely. I still feel bad for MJ childhood and always have. However like you I believe these men. What is your twitter handle I would like to follow you if that is ok? take care
@KIASHAKUR is my handle
Every thing you say is as if what these two money grabbers said is a fact. You do not know if it is true or not.
And yet what the so called fans say are facts?
@@handymanny6615 f you freak,we talk under the basis of 10 fucking years of investigations.
@@siva1149 hahaha you almost freak me out with your MJ handle. Go worship your MJ and send your kids to feed his desire. I ain't no class like you to use f words
To everybody who says they're lying:
I watched the documentary last night. And what I found to be very interesting is that Michael Jackson had a type. Everybody has a type. And his type was white little boys. Or at least light skinned little boys.
If this is about him just being childlike and wanting to play and hang out with kids, then why wasn't he hanging out with little black kids? Why wasn't he hanging out with little Asian kids? Why wasn't he hanging out with little Indian kids? Why were they all white? Why did they all look so freakishly similar? I just can't believe you people. Yes there are discrepancies in Wade Robson story. But I 100% believe that Michael was a child molester. And the fact that you people can look at what he blatantly did and support him?Let's just say I hope that you don't have child molesters in your family cuz we all know who you defend. And it wouldn't be the kid. SMH! Disgusting.
Emmanuel Lewis was the only exeption. And who knows if he even was attracted to him. You have to ask yourself why if Michael loved all kids, he never had little girls around him?? And then ask yourself, if you really think he's innocent, would you ever let your 7 year old sleep in bed with him?? In theory? I mean, he was harmless right?
Watch the ENTIRE documentary and then tell me they're lying.
What kind of "victim" prefers let his "abuser" to jail free for money and become an accomplice of his future crimes? Think about.
@@carolinagonzalezs. you're right about that. It didn't make sense UNTIL I watched the documentary. This was Michael Jackson and you have to undedstand the amount of admiration and love these guys had for him.
There is also a huge amount of shame that comes with being abused sexually. There are different stages. But if you loved your abuser, you bargain in your mind and justify it so that you don't have to face that someone you loved hurt you.
Have you seen the documentary? The entire thing?? If not, please do so. Then come back and tell me what you think. Either way, i find it nauseating that SO many people are defending him and shout INNOCENT from the rooftops. NOBODY knows whether he's truly innocent or not! But people CHOOSE to support him regardless. None of you knew this man!! But you'd rather defend him blindly instead of AT LEAST hearing out the possible victims.
People like you that judge victims are the reason why some don't ever tell. And you are also the reason why so many abusers get away with it. SMH.
No one will ever know what happened except the people who were in the room alone behind closed doors. That goes for both sides in this debate. I cant find it in my heart to call MJ a molestor without physical proof. However I totally agree with the disbelief over how these grown adults refuse to admit at the very least there were some serious boundaries crossed with these young boys that should not be overlooked. Flying aesthically similar 9 yr olds out like groupies on a tour and sleeping in the bed with them is highly suspect. People cant seperate MJ the artist from the real person whom they never met personally. They are so captivated he could moonwalk and sang Thriller they re letting things slide they would never allow for the average person. This celebrity obsessed fandom group think is quite sickening. But I totally agree with pretty much everything you typed. If anything this whole debacle taught me people see what they wanna see.
@@carolinagonzalezs.1st off they dont claim they were "raped". 2nd you need to educate yourself on child molestation and stop speaking on a subject you clearly know little about.
Michael Jackson admitted to sleeping in the same bed with little boys. That’s no secret. Even with that bit of information, people still believe that nothing inappropriate ever happened, that in it of itself IS inappropriate. People would rather look the other way just because of how famous and powerful he was.
you don't know him either. and just because somebody defends him that doesn't mean they're a fan.
The “documentary” was successful in eliciting an emotional response. But the logical evidence points to these two being liars especially Robeson. I feel bad he didn’t get the gig for Michael Jackson cirque du soleil that he wanted to direct, and his current financial situation, but what he’s doing through this quasi-documentary is wrong.
You feel bad for them because they said it was love and not abuse? Yeah they are saying that now, very well coached up. Key fact, they weren't the in boys anymore. Got upset and very jealous and that was that.
People need to do their research before they form an opinion about ANYTHING. You can't make guesses and speculations when it comes to this.
MJ guilty af in my opinion. Decades long pattern. Sorry..excuses getting ridiculous.
Hay that's bullshit I was abused as a kid those guys are lying about their story I remember everything that happened to me.
They never said they didn't remember anything. I think u should actually watch the documentary and not whats in the media.
Shut up!!! People forget certain parts.
They NEVER said they didn't remember it, shit for brains. Let me guess. You didn't watch it?? Fucking moron.
I disagree on a few things. The video of Michael wishing Wade happy birthday was a facade, that outfit was from his Artist of the decade award in 1990 shot on March 14th. Wade's bday is September so that's sketchy already, James rings 💍 could've been bought in some shop... I do believe the parents more. It was no secret Michael would spend hours on the phone with whoever
M Daze no, that's called research and investigation. Try that with your ignorant gullible brain.
MJ did these awful things and I also blame the parents. I don't care who the F you are, you are NOT a GROWN ASS MAN getting in bed with my kids. Wade was only 7 and James 10, for F sakes!
ty for your compassionate reasoned response.
I don’t have a comment about your subject matter, but I have to express how pleased I was to run a cross a Blogger that chooses to conduct themselves with maturity and projects that of an educated woman. I am so sick of all the Bloggers that every other word is the F word and they cannnot form a sentence without profanity. It hurts my spirit to hear all of that vulgarity. It’s sad to know that most of them are raising children and they must speak that way around their children. Not to mention that their children’s teachers, peers, etc. can observe that behavior. Sad world! Thank you for your class!
omg! this means the world to me. Gonna send it to my mom lol
The problem was not knowing if we knew him personally or not. I'm the first to say that we never really know people. However, I rely on facts, and the fact is that he has nothing to prove his guilt. A guy who can fully assume that sleeping in the same room as children so open and decompressing manners knowing that he was shy about his personal life and that there were already the first charges, is in my opinion a people who really has nothing to be blamed. And as for the person who really knew him, one finds the same things about his stories as the fact that he never had a move or moved acts and unhealthy with regard to his children.
the documentery is one side ed wade and chuck is only after money they are both jerks
I agree with you, Kia. It's so sad to believe this is true. I've loved him & his music although as he grew older he was so weird, eccentric...I believe James & Wade & the other boys (men now.) Of course the Jackson family is going to deny this. (It's all about the family name & the $$$, right? Power & money) I wonder why Michael's sisters haven't commented yet. Also has anyone ever came out saying maybe Michael may have been abused as a child? ...That he saw this as what love is supposed to be like?? with a child? So sad. I just came about your youtube video searching to watch Oprah's interview on "Leaving Neverland." I'm a new subscriber. I like what you say.
Michael Jackson didn’t abuse anyone his music and legacy will live on forever he will always be the king of pop. MJ FOREVER
They practice this for a while for this documentary...one is an actor...wade tried to get a book deal...it failed so he hooked up with high price lawyers to go after MJ estate...the F.B.I. could not find anything in his home or computer for ten years...plz do research...Oprah is doing this for ratings because she has loss endorsements and most of her channel she doesn't own anymore...must do the research first...especially on wade...its all about the money...his estate...and his catalog...at&t...HBO...and Tom Warner along with Oprah is involve in this whole shenanigans...do the research...and go by the facts...billions of dollars is the motive
@@mdaze9753 lol...ok
This is your reaction to the film which you are open to having as we all do but just take some time out to watch some videos or go online to research the fact to gain a better understanding of both sides to make your opinion stronger. As we all know that there are two sides to every story
this wasn't an opinion of the case and affidavita, this was an opinion of the documentary ONLY.
@@KiaShakur but you start like you were there
are you aware that Appelhead, DooDoo head and Little one are all nicknames used bith on him and on so many others including his family and fans? like really? that convinced you?!
I believe them both. People need to stop worshipping other humans. Michael was not normal!
He was more normal than you think. It is the extortion wich not normal
Girl exactly..
They are very bad actors and this is lies. Mj was innocent and should be celebrated for what he did for the world and thousands of children and adults alike
If he wasn't normal why do let you kid sleep with him when it's such a big deal. And they say they love there parents, really??? No either their parents don't give anything about there kids just money or they lie.
And look at all the children they didn't have dad's Michael didn't have a dad so he became there dad. But Michael did grew in many ways but never in age so he was acting as a child. Seems logical right???
I like your thoughts on the documentary. I completely agree that ANY person that has been abused SHOULD be listens to and be taken seriously. I COMPLETELY AGREE with that 100% abuse happens everywhere to all kinds of people everywhere. When a victim comes forward what does the police do? They can't just say hey this person accused you of this horrific crime your going to jail for X amount of years. No, the police HAVE TO investigate into the charges to make sure that this is the person that did it and they have proof. No one has a problem with them coming out or that they made a documentary. The problem is we hear from the accusers. A professional film maker looks at all the picture. We got a VARY well made pull on your heart string film to grab people's attention. I like the fact when you said that you hard someone talking about wade dated Michael's niece. Which is true, Michael introduced wade too Brandi at the age of 10. They officially started dating at the age of 12. You can find an interview with her on utube izm radio confirming this fact. Now, wade said Michael molested him until he was 14 years old and didn't want them around girls. Does this inconsistency itself not set off some things that were left out and make people at least question to check it out and if that's not right well let's check out of there's something else. Wade sued the estate few years ago the judge threw it out, then he tried to get a book deal on his story but no publisher would touch it, he wanted to direct the Michael show that was coming out and he didn't get the job that's when he started all this. On Matt Lauer interview in 2013 he went on the show after having some counseling already saying vary firmly " this is not a repressed memory" he was 30 years old at the time, but now he's saying it's his son's birth that have him the revalation. So as a youth he didn't know this was abuse, in 2005 when he had an extensive cross examination and asked point blank were you touched by Michael in ANY way he said NO in anyway they asked him he said no. In his 30's he said he always knew what happened to him. So, which is it? U did know you lied or you didn't know, your son trigger it or you always knew. Which one? He says that the burns kid and culkin replaced them. How is that? Culkin is 2 years older than wade and culkin was around right after home alone! So Michael dropped the 14 year old for a 16 year old? The barns kid well now a man has sent a letter I'm pretty sure before the film aired to get his name out of the documentary because it's in a context of saying he was Michael's next lover and he is saying it's false. There's more about him but a little bit about James. People say this is a text book child abuse and you know what their right they can find James wedding story with Michael in a book called"Michael Jackson is my lover" written by Victor Gutierrez. Michael sued that man and won 3 million dollars. He still owes the estate for that. The bros and alarms James was talking about. Michael's employees stole from Michael and they'd eavesdrop on him to sell stories to news papers. He sued the employees as he won. There's an interview with one of them who still says owes him money. The employees sued Michael for wrongful termination and they lost. Maybe it's me buyout that ring James is showing looks a bit big for a kid. Wade and James are represented by the same lawyer. So, there is a purpose of them doing this vary well made documentary during the me too movement is to get peoples full support. Why was this reliesed last min? Why not let the public know few months in advance? Because, if they did we'd check on these guys before the movie and then question a lot of it or not even see it at all. This way they just ambushed this film and people only got to see their story. Now, I didn't write all this to change someone's mind I know everyone is traumatized by what they saw and we're humans with emotions and not having a background knowledge on something makes us react someone irrationally. I'm a mom I know I would have reacted to this the same way of I didn't know about these guys. One more thing there is an award winning journalist by the name of Charles Thomson who was on bbc radio who has done an extensive investigating into Michael's aligations has tons of facts and now about these two men. Please listen to his interviews reaserch what I've said TAJ Michael's nephiew on trt listen to what he says. I wouldn't want to be falsely accused and be put on public judgment without facts. Would any of you guys?
This is just plain stupid. All these “social influencers” jumping on the band wagon without any proof.
I don't have to watch the documentary to judge. The 10 facts at vanityfair were enough for me to know MJ was a paedophile. The sick part is if you have a few guys show up on the stand and say good things about your conduct and behaviour, they're powerful statements. It's a poor concept. A few fruits don't represent the whole tree. Another method of defence is to discredit the prosecution witnesses. Digging their old petty criminal records like stealing etc. Oldest tricks in the book. The fact that MJ was found innocent doesn't mean a thing. It's the outcome in the court of law - this may or may not represent the real life situation. Fans will have their verdict. I'll have mine.
Well said. I agree with your views on the MJ stuff. I think he was a monster.
I agree 100% with what you said. Summed it up perfectly.
Why are you accepting his new story? Sounding so gullible. Which time was he lying?
You actually sound like a grown up. I’m just watching in disbelief as I see the responses. They want to believe in anything but the truth. I don’t really care about the people who don’t believe them or won’t watch the documentary...it is on them. Like the director said, this is really about the two men and other survivors of abuse.
"They want to believe in anything but the truth." Hello, that sounds like you. They don't have any proof to back up their lies, and yet you're here eating it up like a thanksgiving dinner. Who's really delusional here?
Watch some videos on the channel "Michael Jackson Allegations"
This "documentary " complete with emotional background music... relies on the words of 2 men.
Wade seems to be a liar and manipulator... has connections with a Man-boy organization that promotes pedophile relationships.
Learn about Guttierez.
A man sleeping in bed with a kid (or even just wanting to in the first place) for years is all the proof anyone should have ever needed.
@@michaelkays9801 Really? It wouldn't work like that my friend in a court of law .
@@michaelkays9801 Michael didn't have a dirty mind, he didn't see anything wrong with it, kids were his true friends, sleep is sleep and it doesn't mean anything. I undestand your point but you're judging him wrong.
new to the Channel...this documentary rocked me to my core I didn't even feel this watching r.kelly...I prayed the whole time I watched that these horrific things didn't happen...but the more I watched...the more uncomfortable I felt..literally I was anxious and nervous...my heart was in my stomach! I cried I left the room repeatedly to hug my son randomly...I just couldn't get this out of my head...and watching them I didn't see two men...I saw two boys who were so unsure of how to feel you could see the confusion on there faces I tried not to believe it but it was beyond convincing...what men would get on national tv with such graphic in depth details about these things transpiring the more I watched I felt omg he was a pedophile...it wasn't on the surface and tapes or pictures weren't found but he actually had these boys thinking they were in a relationship with him...they were as sick as It sounds...the persuasion...the enticing with gifts and making them feel special and like each of them was the only one...I just couldn't contain myself..
His voice was deep. He did use the other for the public. Friends stated that.
Great vid, so sorry for all the crazy fans in your comments
Even though the comments are highly entertaining, I have to be clear. This reaction is to the documentary ONLY. This isn't a review of the court proceedings, testimonies and affidavits. Some of ya'll need to relax because you are proving the stan part of my point.
So survivors who disagree with you are entertaining? Wonderful. Use ad-hominem attacks rather than being open to doing more research; so are you just lazy or dumb?
@@MsBox5 you are exhausting as a troll...but entertaining. I said the comments are highly entertaining, I didnt say good or bad ones.
@@KiaShakur But you upload a video attacking MJ fans who don't cave into the media narrative...LOL , but I'm a troll. Okay, got it.
@@KiaShakur are you related to tupac shakur
comments are for discussions so
If you don’t want discussions disable the comments. As for referring to court cases and legal evidence we’re just filling in where the doc fell short, providing evidence . I may be wrong but I feel like if these comments were filled with people agreeing with you there wouldn’t be a problem. No negative energy, just saying . And yes, I’ve watched both parts.
The children never slept in the same bed. MJ's bedroom is 2 stories and the size of a duplex..
Entire families slept there. Only way to circumvent statute of limitations in court, was to claim they didn't know it was abuse.
Dating the niece was not a rumor, breaking up Justin and Britney was not a rumor.
Wade defending Michael up until being declined for the Cirque de soleil One shown not a rumor...
Jordan Chandler NEVER ONCE said anything against Michael - Jordan emancipated himself from the parents as soon as he could.
I used drugs as young, i was never abused...
None of your points make sense.
It doesn't MATTER if he did what these two claim, Wade testified TWICE in court. ANY belief in the US justice system should make it IMPOSSIBLE to believe a word this man is saying now.
The supposed "charity" Wade is championing now with his wife is clearly a scam. The wife is on record to stating she has no knowledge of how it feels to be sexually abused, yet when the charity opened, the page states she too was a survivor of sexual abuse.
Trinkets were .... trinkets, nothing about them says "This is from Michael Jackson" at all.. They could be just a talking point.
Since 1992, they have uncovered zero evidence of any wrongdoing on Michaels part, in spite of having had the man stand butt naked, and being photographed in the most private of situations, to then not use this socalled "evidence" in the case, because it apparently didn't help them in their case. 28 years of investigations, many of them surveilanced and zero evidence uncovered.
So
Macaulay Coughlin wasn't a major star as a kid as if Gary Coleman was Todd Bridges was and Dana Plato was to name a few River Phoenix in a slew of others let's not go into just because a kid had personal issues that they were molested as kids if it's facts being presented yes if his accusations being accusations no I think that this man is gone they had ample amount of opportunities to say what they needed to say when he were around what's the endgame now what's the endgame money? Or fame whatever it is it's an agenda if he's guilty he's a terrible man if he's not guilty is he still a terrible man
So why do you believe that he did it when you don’t know him either?
wow. Great review.
I LOVED your commentary! It was one of the most educated and unbiased review. You had compassion on these kids and you had compassion on Michael. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 MJ was an extremely broken individual with too many people idolizing him. His emotions weren't healthy or developed from his family, nor his character from being so famous across the world. So it's not shocking people don't want to believe it. The state of this world is mixed up. They immediately believed Jussie Smollett (I didn't) with no specifics and no one else to back up his story to find out he's lying...YET immediately disbelieve those two guys (I do), with their specific details and multiple people saying similar things. Most people in this world are definite not woke. They are severely blind. Thank you for being one of the few woke ones....😊.
You brought up a lot of good points. Enjoyed your reaction video.
My cousin 'Eddie Gilreath' promoted the 'Jackson 5',he worked for Motown over 25 years. He said the Jacksons
were nothing more than wonderful. he said no it was not true about Michael. its amazing that we are the only race
that will turn on their own people. I don't believe anyone that comes back 20 years later asking for money. shake
downs happen to wealthy , famous people all the time. I am sure Michael was not perfect but the Man is dead. he
gave more money to Charity than anyone . that's what happens when you help people, they turn on you. its best to
take care of yourself and family and leave everyone else to help themselves. Bill Cosby EXPLOITED I am sure he
was guilty of sexual relationships with a few of them. most of these women were paid. Bills sins found him out.
that's it sins , not criminal offenses. his entire family paid the price ,so sad. men cheat and do all kinds of sexual
things everyday. hes certainly not the only one. yes they paid a price for fame. grown men ask underage girls out
all the time. these young women are different than us in the 70s. many 12 year olds look like 30 because of their
promiscuous life styles. sometimes men mistake them for older. lets talk about these young boys they are like
30 year olds when their 10 , many young people are sexually active. they shoot down our men everyday , I don't
hear black women speak out. with all the things done to our people then and now ,we owe them nothing,if he
Michael was a little guilty ,he is still innocent ,these kids have already been sexually active. a young girl offered
herself to my uncle for 10 dollars ,he reported her to DSS ,to investigate her environment.
THANK YOU THIS NAIVE BITCH IS AN UNCLE TOM OR AUNT JEMMIMA . THIS BOT MIGHT HAVE EVEN BEEN PAID TO MAKE THIS VIDEO. KNOWING THE MEDIA.
Michael is innocent
@@debraknight7952 I don't get paid to post videos, I do it for the pure joy of getting called a bitch by a random person lol
What kind of "victim" prefers let his "abuser" to jail free for money and become an accomplice of his future crimes? Think about.
Jordan Chandler REFUSED to testify in 1993 and 2005 trial (the civil settlement didn't avoid him to testify in a criminal trial, what kind of "pedophile" let to his "victim" to testify against him. His mother June testified and was desacredited). Jason Francia and his mother were disacredited, Gavin Arvizo and his family were disacredited too.
Wade Robson and Jimmy Safeschuck's allegations were DISMISSED by a judge.
All these allegations were about MONEY, not JUSTICE.
I BELIEVE THEM!!! He did it..... PERIOD.... SO MANY KIDS SAID HE ABUSED THEM!!!!
So the fans don't know Michael? How do they know? .......how do you know the accusers? You don't know them
Its there word against his
I think you're missing the point. If you aren't a fan there's no bias there, some of these fans have lost the ability to be objective.
I don't think that Beyonce is a very cool person behind closed doors, but I worship her because of her voice. I also used to worship MJ because of his voice. I cried like a baby when he died. But I have to admit that he was a very twisted man. Many parents mess up their kids. As a kid, MJ was destroyed by his dad. When he became a man, he didn't know how to function. A horrible childhood can result in a twisted adult. MJ lied a lot. In 1993, MJ told Oprah that he never bleached his skin, but his 2009 autopsy revealed that he bleached his skin. That's just one of many many lies.
P.S. Don't judge me for worshipping these celebrities. If you have an exceptional quality (exceptional voice, beauty, intelligence etc), many people will worship you. It's human nature.
Speaking from an Unbiased perspective and in defense of nobody on either side... I ask why is the discussion so based on their documented testimony now?? I come from the understanding that these gentlemen were involved in civil and criminal cases and testified under oath in the opposite direction (The difference now being that they aren’t held to the utmost obligation to tell the truth). I believe you’re accurate in saying around 7 other alleged victims were involved in cases with MJ but their stories went unheard of specifically because of the two men in this documentary. Are we not allowed to question those facts? I personally cannot just blame trauma for their mishaps becuz their situation is somewhat unprecedented. It’s not often that you hear of victims who have felt enough healing or growth within to speak on their abusers in a close amount of time, let alone face them in a court of law in that kind of potential solidarity where all they have to do is tell half of the details presented in this doc. I’m just saying these facts make these allegations just as questionable as MJ’s actions would’ve been had he been alive and this came out.
Thank you for this!
and how do u know he did it were u his personal guard 24/7 n do u think FBI who searched his whole house n found NOTHING were stupid ? didn't know their job? n do u think those who examined his genitals n gave a report tht the description didn't match were also idiots? the accusers said he was not circumcised and in the report the police stated he was really all the facts r out there LOUD and CLEAR. WE FEEL BAD FOR U GIRL . MJ WAS INNOCENT PERIOD. RIP MJ. UR INTELLIGENT LOYAL FANS R HERE TO DEFEND U MJ UWERE A WARM COMPASSIONATE KIND HUMAN BEING
this is a really old video that you left a long and angry video on, it's sad. all jokes aside get a life or a hobby smh.
@@KiaShakur I know it us n old video but I got to watch it now
Was u there?
That's bullshit! He maintained custody of his kids, which is unusual for a parent under investigation for child abuse. Did CPS ever get involved for investigation of his own children's welfare? Wasn't the parent's just get paid off versus wanting real punishment? Bullshit!
I don't agree with everything you said, yet I think this is the best reaction to the documentary I've seen so far.
Give me a break. No victim of molestation is confused or even feels "love" towards their abuser. This documentary set us victims back about 100 years. I didn't love any of it...and repulsed of the idea that a child engaging in painful sexual abuse would be "in love", according to all the people who believe Jackson is guilty. You are all enabling a nasty misconception about child abuse survivors, (that they used to say about women who were raped); that we could have POSSIBLY "enjoyed it." I cannot believe NO one had a problem with that narrative in this emotionally abusive documentary.
1) i am sorry you had to go through anything like what is described in this doc, you didnt deserve that. 2) it doesn't set you back 100 years. when some children are sexual abused they don't realize they are being sexual abused and it affects their love map. It is why SOME kids deal with self loathing later in life and ask themselves why did I stay? what's wrong with me that i stayed? not all abuse victims are the same. These two victims are imperfect, but it doesn't make them not victims
Could they have suffered from Stockholm syndrome?
@@didibobo4866 Probably not. Most child victims are sickened by their perpetrator, and never look forward to being in the room with them alone. Read about girls who get kidnapped, and how frightened (although dependent) they became when they heard their perpetrator approaching the area where they were being held.
@@didibobo4866 Pedophiles and rapists are the only people who believe that their victims felt a "connection" to them while they assaulted. This documentary inadvertently supported a nasty rumor about people who survive this trauma, (which I doubt these men did).
You are incorrect. Child victims often feel loyalty and love from their abuser when it is a friend/mentor/relative. They are groomed. They feel special. I have many friends and family who are psychologists and they have counseled children time and again who loved their abusers. They felt special. They were loyal. They go through a grooming process. They are brainwashed. There are other types of abuse also. Some don't feel that way. Some abuse is more violent or less based on grooming and brainwashing. However, to say these cases don't exist is utter ignorance. Read some case studies.
I mean James just kept saying we went to this room...had sex...went to this room and had sex....We went to another room and had sex 🙄 not that graphic. Just sounds like he read graphic books
MJ dipping his penis into a cup of warm water to take down the swelling isn't graphic for a 10 year old? just wondering...
@@KiaShakur you base your fact in a movie not evidence.
How someone could fund his evidence on a accusation movies.
You know how many times thoses dudes lieying in their own accusations ???
How a grow man just know he was molest by someone else just because he watch is own children and imagine the same thing his so call victims do to him ???? Realy ???
Adline Philip its a coping mechanism to talk that way for some survivers
ANYBODY can come up with "graphic details" if they read up on real victims' testimonies. Just give me a "role" and I will play it like a star after I do a little documentation on it. You'd better FOLLOW THE MONEY! See what they're after...
My darling only inform you about the facts and especially the dubious past of the presupposed victim. It is therefore not useful to know Michael to know that he is innocent.
why is your head so big? quit asking why, it was just mj, we love him no matter what, he coulda popped my cherry and i'd still love him.
Girl, watch the documentary! Many people didn't have childhoods and did bad things! WATCH IT! there is a reason people are strongly defending it.
FBI SAID they found NADA.... The FBI
i loved MJ music and dance so much. that's a nightmare
No if that was the case they would of did this documentary when Michael was alive. Money money money. Look what’s going this year in the USA and the world . Think about it look history
First thing Michael is resting at peace. There word against Michael who is gone. No defense just tearing down a mans legacy of word of mouth. You can’t believe what u here Think about it. You need to look at facts and look at the 2 guys background and what’s really going on. That’s like you accused someone of a crime. Go to court. Change your story multiple times. Then say the person didn’t do the crime then years later after the man is dead you come back with allegations no way. And look at the time of our country this going on. It’s crazy times out here. Michael was all about positive from his music to his interviews. Its sad people will side with the negative with out even truly knowing. It’s sick you chose negativity over positive. Now it’s true we don’t know if people have dark secrets. But we can’t say everyone has them that’s casting judgement. Without facts it’s good positive people In the world and if you believe from just word of mouth and no facts or evidence. Then that bad to tear down someone who left the world trying to be in a positive light. Write is write and wrong is wrong. But a man is not here. Michael to defend his self which he has already done. Yes the werid stuff he is done is crazy and put in a bad position a target. But truth is I don’t know. And you don’t know. But as a big fan of Michael and reading about this what was going on in Hollywood and the word. I choose to believe Michael was a good soul. He has billions of fans and only 2 guys who are doing this Michael spent time with a lot of kids and people. And open your eyes it’s doesn’t add up. Timing the 2 guys don’t just smh take this documentary. And cast out Mike wow don’t be so influenced. With out truly knowing. Look at u already thinking the negative on Mike. Know one really knows and mike is gone in the grave. But I choose to believe the positive!
@@Khrisright oh damn naive you are...
here are facts
www.mjfacts.com/
crazy coco Why are we overlooking that the first “victim” from 1993 admitted in an open letter than the allegations were not true. He had a protective restraining order against his father who was abusive and wanted access to his trust. The second “victim” went to trial and MJ was found not guilty on all 14 counts after 200 witnesses, 2 complete home searches and a complete body search. The FBI investigates for 10 years and found no evidence of any crime(all 366 pages are available online). The stories that Robeson and Safechuck pilled are almost word for word from a Victor Gutierrez book( a man whose a know pedophile). In 2017, Robeson and Safechuck sued for $1.6 billion and the judge threw the case out. Now after this documentary, they’re looking to repeal.
@@bluebirdredrobin6827 "Why are we overlooking that the first “victim” from 1993 admitted in an open letter than the allegations were not true" because you are not well informed. chandler never said these claims
www.snopes.com/fact-check/jordan-chandler/
for more infos www.mjfacts.com/
Girl you sound too much like a regular person with common sense.
I believe both of them. I’m not sure what evidence people are looking for when it comes to molestation. How can they prove they were touched, fondled, or masterbated by someone 30 years ago? When a friend says they were sexually abused, we don’t ask for evidence we stand by them.
MJ was extremely smart and the best lawyers that money could buy!!! You really think he was dumb enough to have kiddie porn? Who needs that when you are spending 300+ days with actual children?
Stans, please miss me with that the FBI did a 10 year investigation and found nothing BS! The man was arrested in 2003! They had enough to arrest him, nudist magazines which included children were found in his bedroom. One of them is called The Boy or Boys Will Be Boys - perfectly legal but a sick thing to have. Plenty of witnesses spoke up but the jury was looking for smoking gun evidence such as semen on a boy’s clothes or a video tape. Michael was way too smart for that. There is plenty of witnesses like his maids who did testify to seeing things and being suspicious about it. The reason that Wade was even called in to testify is because one of the maids claimed to have seen sexual abuse with Wade but when he denied it what could the prosecution do? That really was what they would have needed to be able to convict him. MJ actually plead the 5th and didn’t testify on his own behalf so please stop with the he’s not here to defend himself thing. All he was going to do was hire another defense team to speak on his behalf. He still has that even in death. The only difference is he would be in jail this time around if he were alive.
I expect more boys to come out. My own theory is that Johnathan Spence is next to come out.
People need to do their research that man was a pedophile. How many people have to come out for Stans to believe? They will call any and everyone a liar. For me, this is enough. 5 people are enough.
this is a lot of copy to read...but thanks
Michael Jackson was innocent period he was the most beautiful human like Engel truly rest in peace my Engel thank you for defending Michael Jackson
Good video! I agree completely.
Did you enjoy your confirmation bias?
We all don't know him
They said Michael was watching porn all the time, then who supplied Michael with these videos? It's not like he could just go out and buy them, it was the 80s/90s and VHS tapes are hard to hide and are large not to mention they said they watched it in the bathroom on a small TV that would require a VCR which is large and cumbersome. Maids and family and friends would have definitely come across them at some time yet no one else put their hand up to say they saw them??
I was born and raised as a Jehovah's Witness. In my household, I can say it was more liberal compared to my JW friends that were shattered from the world. To those who aren't JW, you'll see their behavior as eccentric and weird compared to others. Due to our teaching--whats consider worldly they do not interact in. And compare to JW from the city and country----chile that's another subject in itself. I understand his behavior about children because JW places children in a special light especially due to the teachings of Jesus about children. MJ growing up as a JW is so heavily reflected in his work from the Earth Song and other works.
You are right nobody dont know these people I believe the victims
I believe Michael did not have sex with them.
It’s funny how some people turn into psychologists voicing opinions on this case! If he wasn’t who he was would you accept an average joe sleeping in bed with a child? Spending hours on the phone!? I believe he knew exactly what he was doing, hence creating a atmosphere that would be attractive to children! Painting a portrait that he was a child mentally.. all grooming behaviour! I don’t care for his accolades he was a predator period!