She most probably wasn't even real Herodotus story has too many flaws if you look deeply into the story I mean finding out about wine and instantly loving it and getting drunk ? Really ? Herodotus mentioned that he heard other stories too, but wrote the one that he liked the most because he thought it was more epic You know since the ending was similar to the ending of one of those mythical Greek stories (greed and arrogance leading great humans to their demise) and since Herodotus was a Greek, this story is very debatable and has many things wrong with it if you think about it Other Greek or Roman historians never even mentioned Tomyris or her tribe and each one wrote a different story The most famous one, doesn't always mean the most accurate one The most logical story about his death that i've heard up until now, is the one that Ctesias has written Ctesias had his mistakes while writing about Cyrus life but his record of Cyrus death seems way more logical and the fact that he worked at the Achaemeinid royal court kinda increases the accuracy since he could've had access to their history sources He's also written the numbers of casualties on both sides (though probably exaggerated numbers), the name of the king of the rebel Derbices, the number of Cyrus Scythian reinforcements and name of the Scythian king who led them Plus some information about how the battle went According to him, Cyrus fought the Derbices (Iranian tribal people in Hyrcania) and won the battle but died three days later because he was wounded in the middle of that battle That's enough time for his men to reach Pasargadae without his corpse rotting since Derbices territories were in the north of modern day Iran and that Cyrus didn't immediately die and it was way closer than Central Asia Unlike Massagetaes (eastern Iranic nomadic people), who lived in seperate tribes (like Greek city states), they lived in a unified satrapy and had more manpower than a Scythian tribe and even had allies with war elephants from India Meaning, they had the terrain advantage and enough manpower to fight an army of 80,000-100,000 men, specially when living in modern day north of Iran (where i live) These lands are perfect for Guerilla warfares According to Herodotus, the only advantage the Massagetaes had was a river which they let Cyrus army cross it without even harrassing it What kind of wise military commander would do that ? They were in open plains, with no city walls, no fortresses, no trenches, no natural barriers, not even enough manpower and they let the enemy pass their only line of defence How many people lived in ONE nomadic Scythian tribe in 530 BC ? 3,000 ? 4,000 ? Let's say 5,000-10,000 How many of them could fight ? While the Achaemenids are known for their large armies which are estimated between 50,000 to 200,000 They were professional fighters armed with almost any weapon imaginable at the time and were familiar with nomadic fighting styles and battle tactics (they themselves were nomads once) and were being led by the greatest warlord at the time who won every battle he fought against mighty empires or even other Scythian tribes according to other Greco Roman historians The terrain here in the north is great for a local army to defend against a superior invading force And if we take a look at Cyrus conquest map, he'd conquered territories up to Aral sea/lake in central Asia Massagetae territory is shown next to Dahae territories under Aral sea/lake in most of the maps and according to Cyrus map, he conquered that province and there was even a city fortress called Cyropolis near there While there's no evidence of Tomyris existence beside Herodotus few sentences If she had indeed killed him in battle and completely destroyed his army, then why there's no report of her raiding and plundering or even conquering the reach defenseless Achaemeinid territories or Cyrus son, Cambyses, a vengeful cruel man (at least according to Herodotus) campaign against them ? Darius the great mentioned the names of the people who REVOLTED against him, right after he became king, in his inscription, and the Scythians of Central Asia (beyond the jaxartes) were among the rebels (the man in the end of the line) And since the word revolt has been used, we can assume they were already conquered by Cyrus As far as i know, even Alexander's historians didn't say anything about his skeleton's head missing Ali Sami Shirazi also identified the two corpses/skeletons in his tomb as Cyrus and Cassandane's If what Herodotus says is true, and Massagetaes took Cyrus body and cut his head off, then what are those remains even doing in his tomb ?
She most probably wasn't even real Herodotus story has too many flaws if you look deeply into the story I mean finding out about wine and instantly loving it and getting drunk ? Really ? Herodotus mentioned that he heard other stories too, but wrote the one that he liked the most because he thought it was more epic You know since the ending was similar to the ending of one of those mythical Greek stories (greed and arrogance leading great humans to their demise) and since Herodotus was a Greek, this story is very debatable and has many things wrong with it if you think about it Other Greek or Roman historians never even mentioned Tomyris or her tribe and each one wrote a different story The most famous one, doesn't always mean the most accurate one The most logical story about his death that i've heard up until now, is the one that Ctesias has written Ctesias had his mistakes while writing about Cyrus life but his record of Cyrus death seems way more logical and the fact that he worked at the Achaemeinid royal court kinda increases the accuracy since he could've had access to their history sources He's also written the numbers of casualties on both sides (though probably exaggerated numbers), the name of the king of the rebel Derbices, the number of Cyrus Scythian reinforcements and name of the Scythian king who led them Plus some information about how the battle went According to him, Cyrus fought the Derbices (Iranian tribal people in Hyrcania) and won the battle but died three days later because he was wounded in the middle of that battle That's enough time for his men to reach Pasargadae without his corpse rotting since Derbices territories were in the north of modern day Iran and that Cyrus didn't immediately die and it was way closer than Central Asia Unlike Massagetaes (eastern Iranic nomadic people), who lived in seperate tribes (like Greek city states), they lived in a unified satrapy and had more manpower than a Scythian tribe and even had allies with war elephants from India Meaning, they had the terrain advantage and enough manpower to fight an army of 80,000-100,000 men, specially when living in modern day north of Iran (where i live) These lands are perfect for Guerilla warfares According to Herodotus, the only advantage the Massagetaes had was a river which they let Cyrus army cross it without even harrassing it What kind of wise military commander would do that ? They were in open plains, with no city walls, no fortresses, no trenches, no natural barriers, not even enough manpower and they let the enemy pass their only line of defence How many people lived in ONE nomadic Scythian tribe in 530 BC ? 3,000 ? 4,000 ? Let's say 5,000-10,000 How many of them could fight ? While the Achaemenids are known for their large armies which are estimated between 50,000 to 200,000 They were professional fighters armed with almost any weapon imaginable at the time and were familiar with nomadic fighting styles and battle tactics (they themselves were nomads once) and were being led by the greatest warlord at the time who won every battle he fought against mighty empires or even other Scythian tribes according to other Greco Roman historians The terrain here in the north is great for a local army to defend against a superior invading force And if we take a look at Cyrus conquest map, he'd conquered territories up to Aral sea/lake in central Asia Massagetae territory is shown next to Dahae territories under Aral sea/lake in most of the maps and according to Cyrus map, he conquered that province and there was even a city fortress called Cyropolis near there While there's no evidence of Tomyris existence beside Herodotus few sentences If she had indeed killed him in battle and completely destroyed his army, then why there's no report of her raiding and plundering or even conquering the reach defenseless Achaemeinid territories or Cyrus son, Cambyses, a vengeful cruel man (at least according to Herodotus) campaign against them ? Darius the great mentioned the names of the people who REVOLTED against him, right after he became king, in his inscription, and the Scythians of Central Asia (beyond the jaxartes) were among the rebels (the man in the end of the line) And since the word revolt has been used, we can assume they were already conquered by Cyrus As far as i know, even Alexander's historians didn't say anything about his skeleton's head missing Ali Sami Shirazi also identified the two corpses/skeletons in his tomb as Cyrus and Cassandane's If what Herodotus says is true, and Massagetaes took Cyrus body and cut his head off, then what are those remains even doing in his tomb ?
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She most probably wasn't even real
Herodotus story has too many flaws if you look deeply into the story
I mean finding out about wine and instantly loving it and getting drunk ? Really ?
Herodotus mentioned that he heard other stories too, but wrote the one that he liked the most because he thought it was more epic
You know since the ending was similar to the ending of one of those mythical Greek stories (greed and arrogance leading great humans to their demise) and since Herodotus was a Greek, this story is very debatable and has many things wrong with it if you think about it
Other Greek or Roman historians never even mentioned Tomyris or her tribe and each one wrote a different story
The most famous one, doesn't always mean the most accurate one
The most logical story about his death that i've heard up until now, is the one that Ctesias has written
Ctesias had his mistakes while writing about Cyrus life but his record of Cyrus death seems way more logical and the fact that he worked at the Achaemeinid royal court kinda increases the accuracy since he could've had access to their history sources
He's also written the numbers of casualties on both sides (though probably exaggerated numbers), the name of the king of the rebel Derbices, the number of Cyrus Scythian reinforcements and name of the Scythian king who led them
Plus some information about how the battle went
According to him, Cyrus fought the Derbices (Iranian tribal people in Hyrcania) and won the battle but died three days later because he was wounded in the middle of that battle
That's enough time for his men to reach Pasargadae without his corpse rotting since Derbices territories were in the north of modern day Iran and that Cyrus didn't immediately die and it was way closer than Central Asia
Unlike Massagetaes (eastern Iranic nomadic people), who lived in seperate tribes (like Greek city states), they lived in a unified satrapy and had more manpower than a Scythian tribe and even had allies with war elephants from India
Meaning, they had the terrain advantage and enough manpower to fight an army of 80,000-100,000 men, specially when living in modern day north of Iran (where i live)
These lands are perfect for Guerilla warfares
According to Herodotus, the only advantage the Massagetaes had was a river which they let Cyrus army cross it without even harrassing it
What kind of wise military commander would do that ?
They were in open plains, with no city walls, no fortresses, no trenches, no natural barriers, not even enough manpower and they let the enemy pass their only line of defence
How many people lived in ONE nomadic Scythian tribe in 530 BC ? 3,000 ? 4,000 ?
Let's say 5,000-10,000
How many of them could fight ?
While the Achaemenids are known for their large armies which are estimated between 50,000 to 200,000
They were professional fighters armed with almost any weapon imaginable at the time and were familiar with nomadic fighting styles and battle tactics (they themselves were nomads once) and were being led by the greatest warlord at the time who won every battle he fought against mighty empires or even other Scythian tribes according to other Greco Roman historians
The terrain here in the north is great for a local army to defend against a superior invading force
And if we take a look at Cyrus conquest map, he'd conquered territories up to Aral sea/lake in central Asia
Massagetae territory is shown next to Dahae territories under Aral sea/lake in most of the maps and according to Cyrus map, he conquered that province and there was even a city fortress called Cyropolis near there
While there's no evidence of Tomyris existence beside Herodotus few sentences
If she had indeed killed him in battle and completely destroyed his army, then why there's no report of her raiding and plundering or even conquering the reach defenseless Achaemeinid territories or Cyrus son, Cambyses, a vengeful cruel man (at least according to Herodotus) campaign against them ?
Darius the great mentioned the names of the people who REVOLTED against him, right after he became king, in his inscription, and the Scythians of Central Asia (beyond the jaxartes) were among the rebels (the man in the end of the line)
And since the word revolt has been used, we can assume they were already conquered by Cyrus
As far as i know, even Alexander's historians didn't say anything about his skeleton's head missing
Ali Sami Shirazi also identified the two corpses/skeletons in his tomb as Cyrus and Cassandane's
If what Herodotus says is true, and Massagetaes took Cyrus body and cut his head off, then what are those remains even doing in his tomb ?
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Search the names of every Scythian tribe in ENGLISH and see what their origin is
Or watch UA-cam videos about them and see what are they called
She most probably wasn't even real
Herodotus story has too many flaws if you look deeply into the story
I mean finding out about wine and instantly loving it and getting drunk ? Really ?
Herodotus mentioned that he heard other stories too, but wrote the one that he liked the most because he thought it was more epic
You know since the ending was similar to the ending of one of those mythical Greek stories (greed and arrogance leading great humans to their demise) and since Herodotus was a Greek, this story is very debatable and has many things wrong with it if you think about it
Other Greek or Roman historians never even mentioned Tomyris or her tribe and each one wrote a different story
The most famous one, doesn't always mean the most accurate one
The most logical story about his death that i've heard up until now, is the one that Ctesias has written
Ctesias had his mistakes while writing about Cyrus life but his record of Cyrus death seems way more logical and the fact that he worked at the Achaemeinid royal court kinda increases the accuracy since he could've had access to their history sources
He's also written the numbers of casualties on both sides (though probably exaggerated numbers), the name of the king of the rebel Derbices, the number of Cyrus Scythian reinforcements and name of the Scythian king who led them
Plus some information about how the battle went
According to him, Cyrus fought the Derbices (Iranian tribal people in Hyrcania) and won the battle but died three days later because he was wounded in the middle of that battle
That's enough time for his men to reach Pasargadae without his corpse rotting since Derbices territories were in the north of modern day Iran and that Cyrus didn't immediately die and it was way closer than Central Asia
Unlike Massagetaes (eastern Iranic nomadic people), who lived in seperate tribes (like Greek city states), they lived in a unified satrapy and had more manpower than a Scythian tribe and even had allies with war elephants from India
Meaning, they had the terrain advantage and enough manpower to fight an army of 80,000-100,000 men, specially when living in modern day north of Iran (where i live)
These lands are perfect for Guerilla warfares
According to Herodotus, the only advantage the Massagetaes had was a river which they let Cyrus army cross it without even harrassing it
What kind of wise military commander would do that ?
They were in open plains, with no city walls, no fortresses, no trenches, no natural barriers, not even enough manpower and they let the enemy pass their only line of defence
How many people lived in ONE nomadic Scythian tribe in 530 BC ? 3,000 ? 4,000 ?
Let's say 5,000-10,000
How many of them could fight ?
While the Achaemenids are known for their large armies which are estimated between 50,000 to 200,000
They were professional fighters armed with almost any weapon imaginable at the time and were familiar with nomadic fighting styles and battle tactics (they themselves were nomads once) and were being led by the greatest warlord at the time who won every battle he fought against mighty empires or even other Scythian tribes according to other Greco Roman historians
The terrain here in the north is great for a local army to defend against a superior invading force
And if we take a look at Cyrus conquest map, he'd conquered territories up to Aral sea/lake in central Asia
Massagetae territory is shown next to Dahae territories under Aral sea/lake in most of the maps and according to Cyrus map, he conquered that province and there was even a city fortress called Cyropolis near there
While there's no evidence of Tomyris existence beside Herodotus few sentences
If she had indeed killed him in battle and completely destroyed his army, then why there's no report of her raiding and plundering or even conquering the reach defenseless Achaemeinid territories or Cyrus son, Cambyses, a vengeful cruel man (at least according to Herodotus) campaign against them ?
Darius the great mentioned the names of the people who REVOLTED against him, right after he became king, in his inscription, and the Scythians of Central Asia (beyond the jaxartes) were among the rebels (the man in the end of the line)
And since the word revolt has been used, we can assume they were already conquered by Cyrus
As far as i know, even Alexander's historians didn't say anything about his skeleton's head missing
Ali Sami Shirazi also identified the two corpses/skeletons in his tomb as Cyrus and Cassandane's
If what Herodotus says is true, and Massagetaes took Cyrus body and cut his head off, then what are those remains even doing in his tomb ?
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