Bellinghams 19 at Real Madrid and is already unreal. I have no idea how he doesn’t think he’s not got the ceiling to win the ballon dor and then names another random ass 19 year old named bob and says he will.
I think the reason it’s so close now it because haaland didn’t perform in both legs of the semis, the final, and the FA cup final. If he performed in all those I think people would be leaning towards haaland more. And I think Tom says football would be washed is because technically speaking haaland isn’t the best player in the world. He’s not even the best player on his team. It’s de Bruyne. As for messi, even at this age, he still is the best in the world if not top 3
Genuinely tho, when has ronaldo ever been a better footballer than messi? Messi has consistently outperformed him in nearly every metric and kept up with in goals (even surpassed him in cases). I agree that ronaldo has never ever been a better player than messi post 2009, but I don’t with the balon dor thing he goes on about.
@@eamoncallan2804 I’m sure you could find a lot of players who played less games that would have a better goals ratio for the years messi won the balon d’or. Balon d’or isn’t based on goals ratios
@@Mana-vv6vp just to clarify, I’m not saying ronaldo should never have won the balon dor as long as messi played. I’m just saying that messi has been the better footballer for practically their whole careers. Which stats and trophies back up.
Saying Ronaldo shouldn't have had a single ballon d'or is just stupid. You can say Messi is a "better player" but if he wasn't better in the specific time period for that specific ballon d'or, it doesn't matter if he's generally the better player.
ronaldo has been given ballon dors just cause madrid won ucl, not even a single season has ronaldo played better overall than messi after 2008, and i watched both barca and madrid games during that time, messi used to create chances for his teammates, he just looked natural, while ronaldo looked like he was forcing his teammates to pass him so he can score
I listened to the podcast and Tom says Messi should have won it every year since 2009 just because he's a "better player" (which is subjective). By that logic there will always be a generational player with the best "talent" for a span of 5-8 years. Balon d'Or shouldn't be given based on that alone. It has to be based on individual contribution to team success and trophies. Otherwise the so called "best talent" would be given the award without necessarily winning anything which isn't the essence of sport.
but they would be the best player though... thats the whole point. if its based off of trophy then whoevers the best at city or madrid would win it every year.
@@woody19995 aim of the sport at the highest level is to win the biggest trophies tho? Now Messi won the world cup this year and that's the only reason he should even be in the conversation for balon d'Or this year. Not because he's a better "footballer" than haaland.
@@shravan0230 but he is a better footballer than haaland. The deciding factor of the ballon dor shouldn't be what trophies you've won. That would be so idiotic. It should be, like the award is named as, for being the best individual.
Thank you. The Ballon D'or is an award for the player who's had the biggest impact on their team having overall success in that szn/indivdual brilliance throughout the year. Haaland over the course of the szn has proven to have the best szn in Europe individually while helping City win the treble. Yes, Messi won the World Cup and that's great, but other than that, he didn't do anything special at PSG over the course of the szn. Haaland deserves to win it
If we're going based off the World Cup and that's why Messi should win the Ballon d'Or over Haaland, then Mbappe should have 100% got the Ballon d'Or over Modric in 2018 without a doubt... 40 goal contributions in 29 league games for PSG and won the world cup at 19. Haaland imo should win it this season just for all the individual accolades and records he has broken in 1 season at City along with winning the treble. Messi wasn't even voted as the best Ligue 1 player this year, but he deserves the Ballon d'Or...?
@@Mana-vv6vp exactly… wouldn’t be surprised if he won cuz it’s popularity based, but Haaland deserves it. If roles were reversed Messi would rightfully deserve to win it, but I don’t think he deserves it in this instance.
@@kingpatsack they both deserve it. You can’t say messi doesn’t deserve it. I get your argument, but modric also won the UCL that year which gave me him an extra boost because I genuinely believe without the UCL, modric would not have won it. He also carried his nation (got the golden ball). As for Mbappe, I still think France would of won the WC without him. That team was stacked that year. Tbh Idc if messi isn’t in team of the season. He got 16 goals and 16 assists. That’s a GREAT season for any player. But because it’s messi. It’s not “high” enough. He was only 2 G/A behind mbappe. Sooo that speaks for itself. And when we put it this way, does man city win the treble with messi. I’d say so. Does haaland win the WC with Argentina? For sure no. But they both deserve it and it’ll be close, but due to haaland not performing in the semis, final and FA cup final, it will go to messi.
@@Joe-qt1qv By your logic that arguably france would’ve won World Cup without mbappe which is possible but unlikely given he was their star player you could argue Real Madrid would’ve won champions league without modric with the team Madrid had.
Winning the World Cup caps the achievement of Messi being the greatest player of all time. But the Ballon D’or is an individual achievement for a player who performed the best over that year. Messi had great collective success with Argentina this year, but Haaland had both individual success and collective success with Man City.
@@joshfutDBDcalling the World Cup 7 games is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard it’s the hardest most important sport tournament of all time hence why CR7 never managed to perform
Messi was the point of difference for every NT performance in the WC. Yes, a bunch of the Argentines did great, the youngsters even more than ever expected, not to mention clutch Martinez moments, but without Messi, no third star.
normally agree with Tom but the ballon d’or literally had 3 criteria to win it. it’s not who’s the best player in the world, it’s who has had the best individual, team and sportsmanship season collectively
With regards to those criteria, they have practically the same number of g/a, both won their leagues and domestic cup with messi winning the wc and Haaland winning the ucl and idk about sportsmanship. It’s much closer than people in the comments are giving credit
@@eamoncallan2804same number of goals and assists 😂 Haaland has more goals this season than Messi has goals AND assists in the last 2 seasons, and he plays if a far inferior league
@@euan2312 Haaland also plays in a far superior team under the best coach ever if you want to play that game. Messi has something like 63 g/a this year and Haaland has 65. Both won 3 trophies. While messi also beats him in practically every other stat. It’s close whether you like it or not and I’m a city fan lmao. Just can’t handle this messi disrespect.
@@euan2312 have you heard of the World Cup? Kind of the biggest trophy in all of football. On top of that he won two others fuck me it’s not a hard concept to grasp
If haaland doesn’t win the ballon d’or after winning the bloody treble and breaking a premier scoring record in his debut season 😕. Literally what more could he have done!
Messi better player and won the World cup+POTT, also got 20+ goals and 20+ assists for PSG, ended season with like 37 goals and 25 assists or something.
@@ndr8053 messi didnt deserve wc player of the tournament that should have gone to mbappe, mbappe did what messi did with way less pens, and you4r forggetting messi did this in la liga, haaland did it in hardet league in the world
That ronaldo take from Tom was absolutely embarrassing and filled with recency bias. Ronaldo was better than Messi for those years he won the ballon d’or
@@Mana-vv6vp brother messi has kept up with ronaldos scoring while simultaneously out performing him in every other stat as well as being more pleasing on the eye. Ronaldo is one of the goats but messi is and has been better than him throughout their whole careers.
Asking Tom for football opinions is like asking will smith for relationship advice. How's he even allowed on this show after that baseless Ronaldo slander.
@@debayanpal3181 only if you check the data you would know how far behind Ronaldo was all these years and if not for Real Madrid Pr there wouldn't be any debates. And beaten in what exactly?
Is the ballon d'or a team award now? Btw im talking about being NOMINATED, he wasnt even on the shortlist. Trophies over a 1 year span cant make that much of a difference
@@thedunyadoneya2628 always has been if not leo messi would've won it every year and no one would come close i mean what's the point with having a good season without winning anything
@@pipimisan1205 Not like you get to choose, its not fifa. Suarez took a team with aspas, allen, shelvey and borini as central figures to within touching distance of the PL title, and had brendan rodgers as manager. Haaland and messi both played in teams which will always be debated as the best ever and had guardiola as manager. Suarez' achievements that season were better than either.
Messi was the better footballer than haaland this year all accolades aside if you don’t want to include that. Especially in the big games they both played in this year, there’s no debate as to which one of the two showed up and which one didn’t
I love Theo and Reev which is why i tried to listen to this podcast but freaking hell Tom is the most delusional man ever. I can't even finish listening to the whole videos. Madness.
100% percent. Pains me as a united fan, but there shouldn't even be a debate about Haaland winning it. Messi should not be winning it for turning up for 5 games this year.
Tom's lack of faith in anyone English or our team is extraordinary. Didn't he say he would give up his whole career if Bournemouth stayed up why is he still here 😂😂😂
Why does PSG having a shit season count against mbappe but its forgiven for Messi? The Balon Dor is over the course of the whole year and the world cup is a 3 week tournament.
Tom that Ronaldo opinion is one of the worst opinions I've ever heard. Don't let recency bias fool you, some of those years Ronaldo was definitely better than Messi, the man was banging in 17 goals in the champions league and every time you turned on a real madrid match and they were drawing or losing it was a given Ronaldo would score. I think some opinions are better left unsaid
Tom's surely a wind up merchant now. The moment he said Alan shearer was never world class his opinion is about as important as the slug I stepped on this morning.
@@abyeadchowdhury2529 lol he cant even lace messi's boots, lucky that he got those ballon dors just cause of goals that were mostly created by madrid's midfield
how is kdb not in any conversation for the ballon d'or? man citys best player winning a treble and deserves it more than haaland yet no one talks about him
Tom’s full of waffle. You can change the Ronaldo v Messi narrative to assists have been given the same weighting as goals when comparing players. G + A was never really a metric but has become popularised due to Messi’s assist record
Goals don’t make you the GOAT. Nobody ranks Gerd Müller over Maradona even if he scored twice as many Goals and won way more at a club level. It’s not about Assists either. It’s really about the eye test and how you impact the game. Messi creates & finishes chances at a level that’s never been seen before & that is what makes him better than Ronaldo & every other player ever.
G+A is a metric to measure a players ability to not only score but also create, because for some reason ronaldo fans think goals are everything. If that’s the case then gerd muller is greater than Maradona. There’s more to football than goals and Messi is the purest form of that, he’s just a better OVERALL footballer than ronaldo
Ballon dor isn’t about the best player in general, it’s the best player that season. Ronaldo was better in the seasons that he won it, and Messi was better when he won it. Not hard to grasp that Tom
Bruv Ronaldo won it in those seasons cause he won more trophies not cause he was a better player than Messi in those seasons, he has barely ever come close to Messi's level after the 2007 season
@@DSMEChinmayTRonaldo was better in 2007, 2008, 2013, 2014 and just pretty much every year he won it because his stats were more impressive and he performed better in ucl
A rare W shout from Theo with Gavi, however he’s not on the level of Pedri but they both could become the two best midfielders in the world so it’s definitely possible that he wins one
If we are judging based on how Tom says we should judge it, then Neymar should have at least 5 Ballon D'ors. He is easily the most naturally gifted footballer on the planet.
Tom actually made such a good point about his opinion. And then there's Theo who is so desperate for validation on everything he says. Referencing "you'll see in the comments" and Tom doesn't care what we think.
There was no guarantee that Neymar would be become one of the best players in the world? He finished in the top 10 of the Balon D'or when he was 19 and still at Santos 😂😂
tom’s opinion on messi and ronaldo is shocking ronaldo would have should have wok it in 07/08 12/13 13/14 15/16 16/17 17/18 and messi 08/09 09/10 11/12 14/15 18/19 and 19/20
tom is completely right on that ronaldo ballon dor argument, i always thought no way cristiano is better than messi this season, but because madrid won ucl, they gave ballon dor to him, he should have been given best striker award like they gave to lewandowski, ballon dor should be given to best player not the best goalscorer
thats silly otherwise a striker can barely win it, ronaldo just focused on different attributes compared to messi. you seem like the sort of person to see messi is great at ribbling and say he is the better player, theres more to football than that, while someone might be good at one aspect their are others that someone wont have, messi wont ever have the physicality or positioning alot of great strikers have etc, you cant just throw those attributes out the window because messi playmaking and dribbling look flashier
@@abyeadchowdhury2529 so you mean messi is just better at dribbling than cristiano? r u nuts? r u crazy? what about more than 100 more assists? what about having almost same number of goals despite playing more than 100 less games? tell me 1 aspect of the game where cristiano is above messi? let's talk even more, more golden shoe than your best striker ever, how about that?, r those golden shoes rigged too? and let's not even talk about more ballon dors, cause i know you ronaldo fanboys will say it's rigged as you always does even with the WC, and where was he in all the world cups? messi won 2 golden balls inn world cup, where was your best striker ever? i respect cristiano, but fans like you make his name even more muddy
if Trent thrives in his new role getting 15+ plus assists and liverpool win the league and champions league surely hes in for a shout. More talented then most of the players mentioned in this
saying ronaldo shouldnt have won any is a bit outrageous and I think messi is clear of ronaldo. 2 of real madrids champions league campaigns would've come to an end early had it not been for ronaldo so he deserves at least 3. Messi might be the better player but comparing it season by season ronaldo should have 3 at least no question
@@asrarfarooqui85 yeah thats why I said at least duh. and neymar has never had a better statistical season than messi and messis playmaking heavily contributed to a suarez being the top goalscorer the one year it happened. you just have to watch football to understand scoring tap ins doesn't make you a better player. balon dors should be 6 messi 5 to ronaldo but if ronaldo never played for Madrid and rode off team accomplishments it would be like 9 for messi and 2 for ronaldo
Saka might have better output throughout the season, but Rodrygo has better output when the team NEEDS a goal. Carried vs Sevilla to secure second, major part of Champions league win last season.
It’s doesn’t matter rodrygo crucial moments led to nothing this season same as saka along with a dreadful league campaign he has to improve in the league he adds that to his clutch moments and he’s the man
@@joewoods5514 But it lead to a champions league last season. None of Saka's goals or assists in his entire career have lead to anything. Same with Messi in many seasons. That doesn't make the player worse you freaking doorknob. Learn ball
Theo said if Arsenal wins trophies, Saka deserves a Ballon Dor, but Haaland who won the ultimate treble and statistically finished as one of the best players of all time let alone currently doesnt deserve it over Messi winning a rigged World Cup against 3rd world countries.
anyone who says messi cant put their bias aside, wasnt even best player at the worlc cup, that was mbappe. this trophy thing is ridiculous for an individual trophy
The ballon d'or is suppose to be merit not who you think is the best. They don't give out gold medals to who they think is the best at running 100m, but who actually runs the 100m the fastest. Haaland has been the best player this season. Messi winning the world cup is great for his legacy, but he wasn't the top scorer or even the best player. Haaland has won the treble as PL record top goal scorer and CL top goal scorer.
Not a great analogy, in a race the fastest runner wins, voting for the best player in the world is very subjective and lots of people will have lots of different opinions. You can't have an opinion on who won a 100m race, you either win or you didn't
@@chapsjohn7435 The ballon d'or isn't suppose to be subjective tho. There are 3 clear parameters; 1.Individual performance in previous season (no longer by calendar year) 2.Team success during the previous season 3.Player behavior and fair play during season in consideration My analogy is about sporting merit and how its suppose to be earnt not given. The media voters are suppose to vote based on who ACTUALLY won the most as an individual and team collective not who they like the most.
@@chapsjohn7435 thats why the ballandore voting system is stupid no one agrees with it, ppl who know ball know that haaland deserves it, im a man u fan im able to put my bias aside. but alot of people are messi fan boys, it shouldnt even be that close it only is because messi fans are keeping the candle lit, the main argument is the world cup well messi wasnt even the best player at the world cup that was mbappe, so thats out the window, messi also plays in a way worse league and haaland has broken goal scoring record in hardest league in the world and also got 8 assists in the prem for ppl who say he doesent contribute anything except goals
@@chapsjohn7435 I didn't say it WOULDN'T be subjective did i??? I said it SHOULDN'T be subjective. If i say to you what is the best fast food place, then ofcourse you will choose on your feelings. If i say what is the best fast food BASED on the parameters of most sold item, most sold world wide and community benefits can be considered, then you should be choosing by those parameters not your feelings.
the ball knowledge on here "most balon d'or winners come from golden boy winners". modric, benzenema, Ronaldo and Messi have 1 golden boy between the 4 of them... Theo actually has ball knowledge unlike the others, just 99% of the comments are thick
John stones shout for a balon dor might be the most British take I’ve ever seen there’s no way on earth he ever gets near one 🤣
But but but he’s composed on the ball and can step out 😢😢😢
He was citys best defender last season. I wouldnt be surprised if hes shortlisted
Can't take anybody who got their arm broken by Theo Baker seriously. He could tell me the sky is blue and I would doubt them.
obviously, ronaldo stans r pissed, but unfortunately for u guys he is right, ronaldo has been given multiple ballon dors just cause madrid won ucl
@@kratostherealgod8564 It’s not that deep😂 was making a joke lad
@@kratostherealgod8564 maybe 2013 and those 4 was really deserved💯
That's basically what he is doing saying Messi is a better player . DUH! But that doesn't mean he was better every year, people have ups and downs.
Why are Messi fans boys just walking fallacies…
Tom is the inspiration to thousands. If a guy with negative football knowledge can run a football podcast then you can also achieve whatever u want.
It’s ok mate, we know you and other Ronaldo fans haven’t stopped crying since the worldcup
@@demol1419 relevance? Tom made a stupid argument so idk why that is relevant
It's crazy that he's successful talking about football, while you're here giving your opinion that no-one cares about. Crazy
@@charlottewilliams8134you clearly do otherwise you wouldn’t be commenting you melt
Bellinghams 19 at Real Madrid and is already unreal. I have no idea how he doesn’t think he’s not got the ceiling to win the ballon dor and then names another random ass 19 year old named bob and says he will.
How would football be washed if Haaland wins the ballon d'Or. Treble , most goals in English history and it is his first season. What a joke
the average goalkeeper contributes more to a team than he does
@@banditfrthat's just untrue 😂😂. Hate is real. Scoring 52 goals but he doesn't contribute enough 😅
He’s the best goal scorer no doubt, but the fact is that he is not the best player, Man City peppered teams even when he didn’t play
@@jakecartereditz9318that's how a treble winning team has to be
I think the reason it’s so close now it because haaland didn’t perform in both legs of the semis, the final, and the FA cup final. If he performed in all those I think people would be leaning towards haaland more. And I think Tom says football would be washed is because technically speaking haaland isn’t the best player in the world. He’s not even the best player on his team. It’s de Bruyne. As for messi, even at this age, he still is the best in the world if not top 3
Those comments about Ronaldo were some of the most bonkers games I’ve ever heard in my life.
Genuinely tho, when has ronaldo ever been a better footballer than messi? Messi has consistently outperformed him in nearly every metric and kept up with in goals (even surpassed him in cases). I agree that ronaldo has never ever been a better player than messi post 2009, but I don’t with the balon dor thing he goes on about.
@@eamoncallan2804so what about 2013 for example? Had 24 more goals and 2 more assists than him plus was a complete football at that age. Explain that?
@@Mana-vv6vp in 2013? The year in which ronaldo played 22 more games and still had a worse g/a ratio than messi?
@@eamoncallan2804 I’m sure you could find a lot of players who played less games that would have a better goals ratio for the years messi won the balon d’or. Balon d’or isn’t based on goals ratios
@@Mana-vv6vp just to clarify, I’m not saying ronaldo should never have won the balon dor as long as messi played. I’m just saying that messi has been the better footballer for practically their whole careers. Which stats and trophies back up.
Garrat and Reev agreeing and not realizing it 😂.
Saying Ronaldo shouldn't have had a single ballon d'or is just stupid. You can say Messi is a "better player" but if he wasn't better in the specific time period for that specific ballon d'or, it doesn't matter if he's generally the better player.
ronaldo has been given ballon dors just cause madrid won ucl, not even a single season has ronaldo played better overall than messi after 2008, and i watched both barca and madrid games during that time, messi used to create chances for his teammates, he just looked natural, while ronaldo looked like he was forcing his teammates to pass him so he can score
@@kratostherealgod8564 u just said a whole bunch of nothing
@@ikeepastick7978 He's not entirely wrong though is he
@@ikeepastick7978he is not wrong truth hurts
ronaldo slander was shocking
Honestly couldn’t believe what I was hearing, didn’t realise Tom was that much of a Messi fanboy….
Init was mental to hear that shite.
he is not wrong, do you think that ronaldo is even close to messi,
@@piyush7856when Messi needed FIFA / France Football on his side in 2018 for Ronaldo not to surpass him, I’d say yes.
@@piyush7856 mate Ronaldos very close if not on par with messi. You have some washed football opinions
I listened to the podcast and Tom says Messi should have won it every year since 2009 just because he's a "better player" (which is subjective). By that logic there will always be a generational player with the best "talent" for a span of 5-8 years. Balon d'Or shouldn't be given based on that alone. It has to be based on individual contribution to team success and trophies. Otherwise the so called "best talent" would be given the award without necessarily winning anything which isn't the essence of sport.
but they would be the best player though... thats the whole point. if its based off of trophy then whoevers the best at city or madrid would win it every year.
@@woody19995 aim of the sport at the highest level is to win the biggest trophies tho? Now Messi won the world cup this year and that's the only reason he should even be in the conversation for balon d'Or this year. Not because he's a better "footballer" than haaland.
@@shravan0230 but he is a better footballer than haaland. The deciding factor of the ballon dor shouldn't be what trophies you've won. That would be so idiotic. It should be, like the award is named as, for being the best individual.
messi is better tho lol, i thought people didnt care for the ballon dor lol
Thank you. The Ballon D'or is an award for the player who's had the biggest impact on their team having overall success in that szn/indivdual brilliance throughout the year. Haaland over the course of the szn has proven to have the best szn in Europe individually while helping City win the treble. Yes, Messi won the World Cup and that's great, but other than that, he didn't do anything special at PSG over the course of the szn. Haaland deserves to win it
If we're going based off the World Cup and that's why Messi should win the Ballon d'Or over Haaland, then Mbappe should have 100% got the Ballon d'Or over Modric in 2018 without a doubt... 40 goal contributions in 29 league games for PSG and won the world cup at 19. Haaland imo should win it this season just for all the individual accolades and records he has broken in 1 season at City along with winning the treble. Messi wasn't even voted as the best Ligue 1 player this year, but he deserves the Ballon d'Or...?
Messi wasn’t even in the ligue 1 team of the season….
@@Mana-vv6vp exactly… wouldn’t be surprised if he won cuz it’s popularity based, but Haaland deserves it. If roles were reversed Messi would rightfully deserve to win it, but I don’t think he deserves it in this instance.
@@kingpatsack they both deserve it. You can’t say messi doesn’t deserve it. I get your argument, but modric also won the UCL that year which gave me him an extra boost because I genuinely believe without the UCL, modric would not have won it. He also carried his nation (got the golden ball). As for Mbappe, I still think France would of won the WC without him. That team was stacked that year. Tbh Idc if messi isn’t in team of the season. He got 16 goals and 16 assists. That’s a GREAT season for any player. But because it’s messi. It’s not “high” enough. He was only 2 G/A behind mbappe. Sooo that speaks for itself. And when we put it this way, does man city win the treble with messi. I’d say so. Does haaland win the WC with Argentina? For sure no. But they both deserve it and it’ll be close, but due to haaland not performing in the semis, final and FA cup final, it will go to messi.
Mbappe???? Griezmann or Varane should have won it in 2018
@@Joe-qt1qv By your logic that arguably france would’ve won World Cup without mbappe which is possible but unlikely given he was their star player you could argue Real Madrid would’ve won champions league without modric with the team Madrid had.
Oscar Bobb great shout, him and Carlos Borges going to be top players in future
Winning the World Cup caps the achievement of Messi being the greatest player of all time. But the Ballon D’or is an individual achievement for a player who performed the best over that year. Messi had great collective success with Argentina this year, but Haaland had both individual success and collective success with Man City.
i mean saying messi the best player after 7 games not to mention he lost one
R9 won a ballondor having played only 16 games because he had a fantastic World Cup let that sit in messi had the best WC and a great league season
@@joshfutDBDcalling the World Cup 7 games is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard it’s the hardest most important sport tournament of all time hence why CR7 never managed to perform
Messi was the point of difference for every NT performance in the WC. Yes, a bunch of the Argentines did great, the youngsters even more than ever expected, not to mention clutch Martinez moments, but without Messi, no third star.
Messi carried Argentina AND PSG.
Love to see you revisit this now with Bellingham 🤯
normally agree with Tom but the ballon d’or literally had 3 criteria to win it. it’s not who’s the best player in the world, it’s who has had the best individual, team and sportsmanship season collectively
With regards to those criteria, they have practically the same number of g/a, both won their leagues and domestic cup with messi winning the wc and Haaland winning the ucl and idk about sportsmanship. It’s much closer than people in the comments are giving credit
@@eamoncallan2804same number of goals and assists 😂 Haaland has more goals this season than Messi has goals AND assists in the last 2 seasons, and he plays if a far inferior league
@@euan2312 Haaland also plays in a far superior team under the best coach ever if you want to play that game. Messi has something like 63 g/a this year and Haaland has 65. Both won 3 trophies. While messi also beats him in practically every other stat. It’s close whether you like it or not and I’m a city fan lmao. Just can’t handle this messi disrespect.
@@eamoncallan2804 both won 3 trophies 😂 don’t compare the treble with some shity french trophies
@@euan2312 have you heard of the World Cup? Kind of the biggest trophy in all of football. On top of that he won two others fuck me it’s not a hard concept to grasp
Saying the games washed if Haaland wins it then saying Stones can win the Ballondor. Tom Garratt ladies and gentlemen
I’m glad everyone has different opinion , if everyone had the same opinions as Tom we’d be screwed
BIG W from TOM saying Messi should have won 10
Studio looks impeccable! Can’t wait for all the content
To say ronaldo has only deserved 1 balon dor is a bit crazy tbf. Poor from Tom
Tom talks like hes never seen ronaldo play before 2019
If haaland doesn’t win the ballon d’or after winning the bloody treble and breaking a premier scoring record in his debut season 😕. Literally what more could he have done!
preform in big games wc>treble
Messi better player and won the World cup+POTT, also got 20+ goals and 20+ assists for PSG, ended season with like 37 goals and 25 assists or something.
@@ndr8053 should of been Ligue 1 player of the season as well but was robbed
What more could he have done? Maybe actually turn up in the FA Cup semi final and Final as well as the UCL Semi Finals and Final!
@@ndr8053 messi didnt deserve wc player of the tournament that should have gone to mbappe, mbappe did what messi did with way less pens, and you4r forggetting messi did this in la liga, haaland did it in hardet league in the world
Leao is a future ballon d'or, and Im saying it with chest.
That ronaldo take from Tom was absolutely embarrassing and filled with recency bias. Ronaldo was better than Messi for those years he won the ballon d’or
Nah it was spot on.
He’s never been a better footballer than messi post 2009. Not once.
@@eamoncallan2804 bro only started watching ronaldo at 34, an unbelievable footballer that could do anything
@@Mana-vv6vp brother messi has kept up with ronaldos scoring while simultaneously out performing him in every other stat as well as being more pleasing on the eye. Ronaldo is one of the goats but messi is and has been better than him throughout their whole careers.
@@eamoncallan2804they were extremely even, but the years CR7 was winning he was winning more trophies.
Man just said Mahrez doesn't have pace😂😂
My brain disintegrates into a pile of mush after listening to these lot
Tom has had an absolute stinker here 😂😂
Asking Tom for football opinions is like asking will smith for relationship advice. How's he even allowed on this show after that baseless Ronaldo slander.
Messi is better though
He is right you dont understand football
@@chapsjohn7435Overall yes...But saying Ronaldo has never been better than Messi is ridiculous...
@@zeno7903Just check the data mate...Ronaldo has beaten Messi many times.
@@debayanpal3181 only if you check the data you would know how far behind Ronaldo was all these years and if not for Real Madrid Pr there wouldn't be any debates. And beaten in what exactly?
Tom Garrat you have dropped an almighty stinker here ibr
Suarez wasnt nominated in 2014, when he had more goals from open play, despite playing less games, than haaland this year.
did he win a treble? didn't think so
Yeah but he didn’t win shit
Is the ballon d'or a team award now? Btw im talking about being NOMINATED, he wasnt even on the shortlist. Trophies over a 1 year span cant make that much of a difference
@@thedunyadoneya2628 always has been if not leo messi would've won it every year and no one would come close
i mean what's the point with having a good season without winning anything
@@pipimisan1205 Not like you get to choose, its not fifa. Suarez took a team with aspas, allen, shelvey and borini as central figures to within touching distance of the PL title, and had brendan rodgers as manager. Haaland and messi both played in teams which will always be debated as the best ever and had guardiola as manager. Suarez' achievements that season were better than either.
pedri getting overlooked
@@0xmoothere not on about for this year.
How is Tom saying accolades shouldn’t mean anything but the reason he thinks messi should win the balon dor because of the World Cup
Messi had a better year statistically anyway
Messi was the better footballer than haaland this year all accolades aside if you don’t want to include that. Especially in the big games they both played in this year, there’s no debate as to which one of the two showed up and which one didn’t
Rodrigo the Leeds striker is honking my lord
Nunez on thumbnail 💀
who the hell invited him 😭
I love Theo and Reev which is why i tried to listen to this podcast but freaking hell Tom is the most delusional man ever. I can't even finish listening to the whole videos. Madness.
My man Said stones to win balon d’or🤣🤣
I agree with Tom’s Messi opinion.
Shot for every minute it takes till Theo mentions Saka - before watching, I bet you’ll end up stone cold sober
Sad thing is jury would still vote for messi just because he is messi. Haaland definitely deserves it more though.
100% percent. Pains me as a united fan, but there shouldn't even be a debate about Haaland winning it. Messi should not be winning it for turning up for 5 games this year.
Suarez scored more goals from open play in less games in a season than haaland and wasnt even nominated.
@@thedunyadoneya2628 that's suarez being done an injustice then sadly. Nothing to do with Haalands achievement this year.
why? because his team wins everything?
@@thedunyadoneya2628did Suarez break the record for the most goals in a premier league season, be the top scorer in Europe and win the treble?
Tom's lack of faith in anyone English or our team is extraordinary. Didn't he say he would give up his whole career if Bournemouth stayed up why is he still here 😂😂😂
Why does PSG having a shit season count against mbappe but its forgiven for Messi? The Balon Dor is over the course of the whole year and the world cup is a 3 week tournament.
Because Messi was actualy the best player for psg
And Messi has been brilliant throughout the course of the year..
The Lewis cameos are craxy
Did I just hear bukayo Saka 🤣🤣🤣
john stones was good for half a season now he’s a ballon dor contender , have a dayyy😂😂😂😂
Tom that Ronaldo opinion is one of the worst opinions I've ever heard. Don't let recency bias fool you, some of those years Ronaldo was definitely better than Messi, the man was banging in 17 goals in the champions league and every time you turned on a real madrid match and they were drawing or losing it was a given Ronaldo would score. I think some opinions are better left unsaid
Tom's surely a wind up merchant now. The moment he said Alan shearer was never world class his opinion is about as important as the slug I stepped on this morning.
obviously u a ronaldo fan pissed with the truth tom said, now just saying nonsense about him
@@kratostherealgod8564 obvs you a messi fan that cant handle a player can be better than messi for some seasons
@@abyeadchowdhury2529 lol he cant even lace messi's boots, lucky that he got those ballon dors just cause of goals that were mostly created by madrid's midfield
how is kdb not in any conversation for the ballon d'or? man citys best player winning a treble and deserves it more than haaland yet no one talks about him
Kudos for the Bobb suggestion.
Tom’s full of waffle. You can change the Ronaldo v Messi narrative to assists have been given the same weighting as goals when comparing players. G + A was never really a metric but has become popularised due to Messi’s assist record
Ronaldo should have 5/6 (the Modric one was a scam), and Messi should have 6/7 (Lewandowski debatable)
Goals don’t make you the GOAT. Nobody ranks Gerd Müller over Maradona even if he scored twice as many Goals and won way more at a club level.
It’s not about Assists either. It’s really about the eye test and how you impact the game. Messi creates & finishes chances at a level that’s never been seen before & that is what makes him better than Ronaldo & every other player ever.
G+A is a metric to measure a players ability to not only score but also create, because for some reason ronaldo fans think goals are everything. If that’s the case then gerd muller is greater than Maradona. There’s more to football than goals and Messi is the purest form of that, he’s just a better OVERALL footballer than ronaldo
The balón D’or is about the entire year not just the World Cup
Cristiano Ronaldo is on course to becoming the most disrespected fotballer of all time.
Messi isn't even top 10 for Ballon d'Or imo. Didn't even win best player in Ligue 1, and people expect him win the Ballon d'Or
Theo being so confident about the Cannavaro take 😂
Garret shouts must mean he’s right in his opinion
Never would have guessed an Arsenal player on Theo’s
4:05 Jack the Goat
Tom disregarding Saka but suggests rodrygo and kvara and oscar Bob ffs😂
Ballon dor isn’t about the best player in general, it’s the best player that season. Ronaldo was better in the seasons that he won it, and Messi was better when he won it. Not hard to grasp that Tom
Bruv Ronaldo won it in those seasons cause he won more trophies not cause he was a better player than Messi in those seasons, he has barely ever come close to Messi's level after the 2007 season
@@DSMEChinmayTRonaldo was better in 2007, 2008, 2013, 2014 and just pretty much every year he won it because his stats were more impressive and he performed better in ucl
Sometimes toms tales are mostly valid but saying stones will win it over Bellingham is mental
Darwin Nunez in the thumbnail lmaooo
A rare W shout from Theo with Gavi, however he’s not on the level of Pedri but they both could become the two best midfielders in the world so it’s definitely possible that he wins one
lewis had a glow up
Where did he go ?
Pre-watch prediction- Theo picking mostly Arsenal players
here he goes again 😂 no ball knowledge theo
Would be curious to see how many people searched the Oscar bobb on FM23 after this 😂
Tom Garratt needs his own show
lewis has changed since newcastle got top four just look at him now
If we are judging based on how Tom says we should judge it, then Neymar should have at least 5 Ballon D'ors. He is easily the most naturally gifted footballer on the planet.
Most goals there is golden shoe for that
Perez , Fifa , Media & team’s achievements what gave Penaldo his 4 ballon d’or with Madrid #Fact
LMAO sure
Man said Saka 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
So?
Yeah cos he’s good enough to win the ballon d’Or
It’s in the next 5 years. Saka has all the chances in the world to win it especially if England or arsenal start winning thkngs
The Ballon D'Or would be more interesting if you can only win it once.
N also stupid
Tom actually made such a good point about his opinion. And then there's Theo who is so desperate for validation on everything he says. Referencing "you'll see in the comments" and Tom doesn't care what we think.
if you think tom made a good point, oh god im just gonna run away from this comment...
@@abyeadchowdhury2529 it's okay that you don't understand
There was no guarantee that Neymar would be become one of the best players in the world?
He finished in the top 10 of the Balon D'or when he was 19 and still at Santos 😂😂
tom’s opinion on messi and ronaldo is shocking ronaldo would have should have wok it in 07/08 12/13 13/14 15/16 16/17 17/18 and messi 08/09 09/10 11/12 14/15 18/19 and 19/20
not sure why theyre laughing at theos take about the mls playoffs? it would literally be harder to take them to that
Lewis grew his hair out
tom is completely right on that ronaldo ballon dor argument, i always thought no way cristiano is better than messi this season, but because madrid won ucl, they gave ballon dor to him, he should have been given best striker award like they gave to lewandowski, ballon dor should be given to best player not the best goalscorer
thats silly otherwise a striker can barely win it, ronaldo just focused on different attributes compared to messi. you seem like the sort of person to see messi is great at ribbling and say he is the better player, theres more to football than that, while someone might be good at one aspect their are others that someone wont have, messi wont ever have the physicality or positioning alot of great strikers have etc, you cant just throw those attributes out the window because messi playmaking and dribbling look flashier
@@abyeadchowdhury2529 so you mean messi is just better at dribbling than cristiano? r u nuts? r u crazy? what about more than 100 more assists? what about having almost same number of goals despite playing more than 100 less games? tell me 1 aspect of the game where cristiano is above messi? let's talk even more, more golden shoe than your best striker ever, how about that?, r those golden shoes rigged too? and let's not even talk about more ballon dors, cause i know you ronaldo fanboys will say it's rigged as you always does even with the WC, and where was he in all the world cups? messi won 2 golden balls inn world cup, where was your best striker ever? i respect cristiano, but fans like you make his name even more muddy
Agreed
if Trent thrives in his new role getting 15+ plus assists and liverpool win the league and champions league surely hes in for a shout. More talented then most of the players mentioned in this
The point of having football ability is to achieve things in football. Tom not covering himself in glory today lol
Not an arsenal fan but really like saka, but these arsenal fans overrating him is gonna make me hate him soon😢. Top 3 rw's in the world he said 😅😂
How for playing well for 2 weeks in a World Cup do u deserve the ballon d’or 😂😂
saying ronaldo shouldnt have won any is a bit outrageous and I think messi is clear of ronaldo. 2 of real madrids champions league campaigns would've come to an end early had it not been for ronaldo so he deserves at least 3. Messi might be the better player but comparing it season by season ronaldo should have 3 at least no question
He should have got the modric one .. Messi got it when Suarez and neymar had better stats . 3 to Ronaldo that’s a disrespect
Wich means that Ronaldo robbed 2 ballon dor
@@asrarfarooqui85 yeah thats why I said at least duh. and neymar has never had a better statistical season than messi and messis playmaking heavily contributed to a suarez being the top goalscorer the one year it happened. you just have to watch football to understand scoring tap ins doesn't make you a better player. balon dors should be 6 messi 5 to ronaldo but if ronaldo never played for Madrid and rode off team accomplishments it would be like 9 for messi and 2 for ronaldo
@@demol1419 learn what "at least" means. no one said he robbed the other two insecure ronaldo fan boy
2018 and 2016 Messi had around 20-30 more G/A than Ronaldo, more individual awards, same amount of trophies and better on the eye test
Going to toss my phone out the window if Theo says saka
R.I.P phone
Tom is absolutely spot on elite ball knowledge this haaland lark for a load of tap ins and ghosting in every big game
Talking about England winning the euros hurts me being from 2024
Tom doesn’t want Jude to win the ballondor just cuz he has an agenda against blues 😭
2024 : Haaland
2025 : Haaland
2026 : Haaland
2027 : Haaland
2028 : Haaland
0 ball knowledge right here guys, Mbappe is the best player in the world and has had better stats than Haaland for the last 6 years LMFAO (2018-2023)
4 months later the best player playing on current form at the moment has to be jude Bellingham
Ronaldo closer to Neymar than Messi is the best take there has been on pitch side btw, Tom respect up
Ronaldo slander hurts my head
everyone looking at tom like hes crazy is priceless then hell blame it on fanboys like fans vote for the balondor
Saka might have better output throughout the season, but Rodrygo has better output when the team NEEDS a goal. Carried vs Sevilla to secure second, major part of Champions league win last season.
It’s doesn’t matter rodrygo crucial moments led to nothing this season same as saka along with a dreadful league campaign he has to improve in the league he adds that to his clutch moments and he’s the man
@@joewoods5514 But it lead to a champions league last season. None of Saka's goals or assists in his entire career have lead to anything. Same with Messi in many seasons. That doesn't make the player worse you freaking doorknob. Learn ball
Y’all forgetting about me, I’m winning at least two
Shoutout to Tom btw. Oscar Bobb is a f’ing baller. Has really shown his potential now in U21 Euros
Arda Guler is surely a shout for future Ballon D'or winner
Absolute baller but we need to see what he can do in a top 5 league
Getting to the playoffs in mls is incredibly easy, would be near the bottom of Messi’s accomplishments. Oh Theo baker you amaze us every time
Theo said if Arsenal wins trophies, Saka deserves a Ballon Dor, but Haaland who won the ultimate treble and statistically finished as one of the best players of all time let alone currently doesnt deserve it over Messi winning a rigged World Cup against 3rd world countries.
anyone who says messi cant put their bias aside, wasnt even best player at the worlc cup, that was mbappe. this trophy thing is ridiculous for an individual trophy
The ballon d'or is suppose to be merit not who you think is the best. They don't give out gold medals to who they think is the best at running 100m, but who actually runs the 100m the fastest. Haaland has been the best player this season. Messi winning the world cup is great for his legacy, but he wasn't the top scorer or even the best player. Haaland has won the treble as PL record top goal scorer and CL top goal scorer.
Not a great analogy, in a race the fastest runner wins, voting for the best player in the world is very subjective and lots of people will have lots of different opinions.
You can't have an opinion on who won a 100m race, you either win or you didn't
@@chapsjohn7435 The ballon d'or isn't suppose to be subjective tho. There are 3 clear parameters; 1.Individual performance in previous season (no longer by calendar year)
2.Team success during the previous season
3.Player behavior and fair play during season in consideration
My analogy is about sporting merit and how its suppose to be earnt not given. The media voters are suppose to vote based on who ACTUALLY won the most as an individual and team collective not who they like the most.
@@chrismcgregor272 Wrong, if you have an award that is decided by voters it is impossible for it not be subjective
@@chapsjohn7435 thats why the ballandore voting system is stupid no one agrees with it, ppl who know ball know that haaland deserves it, im a man u fan im able to put my bias aside. but alot of people are messi fan boys, it shouldnt even be that close it only is because messi fans are keeping the candle lit, the main argument is the world cup well messi wasnt even the best player at the world cup that was mbappe, so thats out the window, messi also plays in a way worse league and haaland has broken goal scoring record in hardest league in the world and also got 8 assists in the prem for ppl who say he doesent contribute anything except goals
@@chapsjohn7435 I didn't say it WOULDN'T be subjective did i??? I said it SHOULDN'T be subjective. If i say to you what is the best fast food place, then ofcourse you will choose on your feelings. If i say what is the best fast food BASED on the parameters of most sold item, most sold world wide and community benefits can be considered, then you should be choosing by those parameters not your feelings.
the ball knowledge on here "most balon d'or winners come from golden boy winners". modric, benzenema, Ronaldo and Messi have 1 golden boy between the 4 of them... Theo actually has ball knowledge unlike the others, just 99% of the comments are thick