Is this the Best Free Drum Mixing Technique?
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- Опубліковано 7 лип 2020
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Have you ever had a snare that just has way too much kick and hi-hat bleeding in, and then you spent hours messing around with the gates and all kinds of other things, but still didn't get the results you were hoping for? Well, then this is the trick for you!
This trick actually comes from Manny Nieto, who is a very well-known Los Angeles producer, engineer, and mixer!
While this trick can be used on all kinds of drums, today we will be using it on the snare and toms. The best part about this trick is you don't need any kind of fancy plugin, or anything else. All you need is a compressor, which you should already have right in your DAW!
In the track I applied this trick on, there was tons of cymbal bleed in my snare, and I am going to use this trick to remove that. To start, I am going to take the snare top, and duplicate it - this includes the audio file, any plugins that have been added to it, and everything else! Then, I am going to reverse the polarity. This nulls out the two tracks, so we actually have no snare now.
Next, I am going to grab my compressor. I am going to take just the duplicated snare, and compress it really aggressively. After doing that, I will put the two snares together. I have now created a gate from a compressor, and there is virtually no bleed now and my snare sounds so much better!
I have also used this to eliminate bleed in my toms, and you can use it on all kinds of drums as well!
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What are your favorite tricks for eliminating mic bleed?
IZotope’s Rx7
I've stopped stabbing them and they bleed a lot less.
ReaFIR from reaper is great and available as seperate and free plugin, you can use it as FFT gate with per band threshold
Put a gate on the track and move the parameters to have the best result. It's impossible to remove the background noise completely, I think??
avoiding real drum sets and micing completely.
i´m a hardcore drummachine fanatic since the early 80ies
I was just thinking -- you could try this same trick but with a multiband compressor. That way, you could use a shorter release for the high frequencies, and a longer release to let the lows ring out.
Yes, marvellous indeed!!
It really helps to understand what’s happening here: you’re cancelling out everything that’s the same, which is everything if you make a like for like duplicate. As soon as you make a change to one of the tracks - either original or duplicate - it’s only the difference that comes through, hence why the compressed parts comes through.
Now that should all be obvious, but it’s worth keeping the fundamental concept in mind so you can try other little tricks to bring back just what you want, eg EQ, other effects etc.
It’s also worth noting that to blend some of the original track back in all you need to do is lower the fader of the duplicate track -rather than making a triplicate!
Yes! Great stuff! Thanks ever so much for sharing!
copied and pasted to my notes : )
Great trick! I've been using this for a year or 2 and usually add another thing especially on toms: if you put a high pass filter after the compressor you can control exactly which frequencies get nulled when the compressor isn't hitting. Really great on toms because you can leave the low end decay untouched while cutting the cymbal bleed, but still have the transient be full spectrum from the compression. Definitely came in handy for some people who put their cymbals really low!
Damn, that's really smart.
Vida Boaz yeah, definitely not my idea though haha, don't remember where I picked that up from
Can you post a screenshot of what that EQ would look like?
@@boazboazboaz321 yes it is!
@@jarrodg09 Literally just a high pass. Then blend it to taste. You'll definitely hear the differences, and it's not an exact science.
This is a trick I picked up from Beau Burchell, who used it with a high pass on the duplicate AFTER the compressor to single out the high end, so the low end could come through continuously. Best way I've ever come across to control hi-hat bleed in the snare mic. And in Studio One, you can use the splitter tool to do it all in one channel, no duplication required.
What slick technique, thanks for sharing Warren!
Wow! Thank you for sharing. It's one of the things I love about this community. So many people sharing great ideas!
Ingenious! Thanks for sharing the tip, Warren!
Brutal trick!! Immediately in my mixes. Thanx a lot!!
Awesome! Will definitely have to try this, thanks Warren!
Thanks for sharing that! What an awesome trick!
Flippin heck that is awesome. I am going to try this for sure! Thanks Warren.
Wow. That tick is brilliant. It's absolutely clever. Thanks for sharing
You have cured my headache! Brilliant tweak. It never crossed my tiny mind! Thank you so very much!
I love finding tricks like these that people will buy dedicated plugins for! Thanks Warren!
Best I've seen for cleaning up bleed!!
Very cool trick! Never think abou this kind of opposite phase processing! Thank you !
Fascinating, thank you so much Warren, much appreciated !
Wow, awesome technique. Thanks for sharing, Warren!
The best tricks are always simple! Thanks!
Mind blown! Great tip Warren!
What a wonderful technique! Thanks Warren :-D
Just tried it Warren. This is million dollar tip you dropped on us. Thanks!
Tremendous trick! This is life changing!! Thanks for sharing.
Cheers!
I am amazed on how good this trick is, especially on snare and kick tracks. Stunning. Thank you!
As always, a goldmine of information! Thanks, Warren!
Thanks for showing that video, great trick indeed for a substitute gate.
thanks warren for sharing all these great tips! i have really learned a lot from the youtube videos. big up to you and your team!!
Amazing trick, Thx Nieto and Thx Warren
This is actually a REALLY dope trick!
thank you awesome just tried it works fantastic thanks warren and Manny
Warren, this trick alone is worth my yearly PLAPA subscription! The guy who worked this one out is a genius.
Omg! Mind BLOWN! I've never seen that in 20+yrs! That's so ridiculously easy instead of remembering your sidechaining and ducking fuckeroo that you try and do to get rid of bleed on the snare! I'm always looking for things to do that! Really wanted the new Sonnix drum gate for that, but I refuse to pay more than $50 for a plugin! The prices are ridiculous and frankly you just don't NEED them 99% if the time.! And you just proved it! Thank you kind sir for actually showing great educational content! 👍🏻🙏👌👏🥁🎤🎛️🎚️🎼🎹🎻🎺🎙️🎸🎧🎵🎶🎼
That's a really clever trick. Simple AND educational. What more could we ask... lol! Thanks Warren!
Mindblown!! Holy crap, what a great trick!
Very cool! Thanks for the lesson.
Incredible natural result! Thanks a lot!
That's amazing!! This trick sounds marvelously well here!! Thanks! :)
I can't wait to try this out!
That's fantastic Warren! Thank you Manny for sharing your compressor/gate tip!
Thrilled you enjoyed Charles! Warren explained it way better then I could have ;)
exactly what I was looking for. Thanks!
Fabulous - never ever thought of this before ! Great contribution Warren - thank you!!
Wow! That is truly an excellent result! Thanks so much Warren and thank you Manny. Going to try this right now!
Thrilled you enjoyed Dave ;)
Very Nice!!! Can't wait to put this to use on drums tracks I'm working with now!! Thx!
Just finally got to watching this video! When you flipped the tracks and then added the comp, I was all like what shnizzle wizardry is this! Thanks, I was sitting here struggling with the gate.
I was going to ask about bleed in the live chat today. I cant believe this came out today. Just what I needed.
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Huh?! What?! No way!, walked upstairs to my music room, tried it and I am completely mind blown. wow! Thnx Warren this is gonna help a ton!
FANTASTIC tip, Warren! Thank you!!! Saved me a bit of a headache getting rid of a ticking hat on the snare channel without having to EQ it out... BUT - it also took away any ghost notes or little rolls on the snare. What I did to get around that was create an FX bus to exaggerate all the frequencies specific to the snare and cut what I really didn't want and then take the output of the FX bus and feed the side chain of the compressor on the phase-reversed snare track - worked like a charm!!!
Wowowow. Wish I could like this video more than once. Never in my life have I seen this before. I'm gonna try this today.
... what a simple a beautiful trick! Genius!
Thank you! Reduced my mix time process.
Awesome trick… I saw this vid a while ago but totally forgot about this. Thanks Warren!!!
Thanks Tim!
This is brilliant This saves me so much time and frustration most drum tracks I get are not recorded in the best conditions, and removing bleed with gates and edits is time consuming. I used this technique on one of the worst drum recordings I have ever heard, within ten minuets I had a very very good drum mix Thank you Warren, Thank you Manny. I learn some pretty cool tricks on this channel but, This is by far the best trick I didn't already know.
That is stellar. One of the best tips I've heard. Awesome!
I got halfway through this video and immediately tried this on snare top and bottom audio tracks and it made a huge difference! WOW.
Wow, what GREAT lighting! :)
Hahaha yes! Who could have helped that?
Gotta Say... It’s been a minute since I found a new trick I will be using on UA-cam in a loooong time. Thanks!
As always priceless information! This may actually become a total game changer for me.
Up until now, I just cleaned up manually by dialing down in between or muting or sampling a snare of that kit and use a replacer to layer it, but of course you can hear that drastically in some songs. Thanks Warren!
@warren I can not express the joy it gives me watching how excited you got sharing this tip. shout out to Manny Nieto and as always thank you so much for sharing this phenomenal trick of the trade...
Thrilled you enjoyed Joel ;)
Wow! Very cool. Sounds much better than the gating attempts I’ve made. Thanks!
AMAZING TRICK Manny!!!! Thanks so much to the PLAP Community for sharing this :)
Thanks ever so much Gerald!
This is really cool! Thanks a lot for sharing this pro tip 😊
That sounds much more organic than most gates I've used. Fantastic! Thanks for sharing Warren, kudos to Manny! ❤️
Thrilled you enjoyed BH ;)
Amazing! You're the best Warren, thank you!
This one is really top-notch... I can see many more possibilities with this trick already
Thanks ever so much!
This is such a great idea! Hindsight (20/20) it seems so obvious - but I'd never have thought of that in a thousand years.
You save my live once again...Lov u bro!!
That's just plain brilliant. I don't think there's much more I can say. Brilliant!!!
Interesting as always man! Always grateful to learn something new here!
Didn’t see that comming, I’m actually finishing mixing drums for my next single, I will definetely use this! Thank you
Ha! My buddy taught me this a few years ago in the old Muscle Shoals Sound 2 when I was producing a session with a drummer who hit too hard. My mind was blown! Thanks for reminding me :) I'll be doing this again
It makes so much sense, but somehow I never thought of this. What a fantastic trick :)
Thanks ever so much! Glad this was really helpful!
Oooh Warren & Manny!! Thank you, thank you, thank you.🙏🏼
Thanks for checking in ;)
Dude... once again, thank you!
I'll definitely be using this!! Thank you!!
Wow. That really did just happen! I'm learning so much as a beginner. This channel ROCKS!
Thanks ever so much!! So glad to be able to help
Wow that’s so good haha crazy how creative some people get with experimenting. Never would’ve thought to try this
Wow, that is an awesome tip! Thank you very much!
Used to be an old de-esser "trick", splitting the vocal to 2 channels/faders on the console. Then eq it to leave only the sibilant part remaining... Then flip the polarity and bring up the fader to taste....
Yeah that's what i was thinking, I guess this is how they did it in the old days before gates. then send both of those tracks to the same track on the tape machine so it records that way.
man, those "flip polarity to remove" tricks get overlooked (by me) way too often
That's pretty much how I do my de-essing. Have a flipped polarity vocal set to zero, then automate the gain where the sss's are.
This trick has many variations and applications, even for tracking.
Hell yeah
Wow, very cool! This is the audio equivalent of cutting the outside of a selection instead of the inside.
Amazing trick, will be using this on my next mix!
Ahhhhh! I just finished the Master. Arrrgggg. Next time I will use that trick! GREAT
Many thank's! Always so kind and welcoming. Calm and really wanna make u listen. Been mixing/ recording for nearly 10 years as a amateur... fortunately I'm finally advancing. Thanks to u and a few more... why? Analyzing songs and trying embrace my flaws and mistakes, and knowing what I'm doing wrong!
This trick is a keeper🤗🙃
Just know we are all in the same boat! Never a day goes by that I haven’t learned something new in the recording world. Even the super elite producers scratch their heads trying to make a song or track sound better. I
That’s a great trick! Totally makes sense.
Absolutely great trick!
this is an insanely good trick
actually protools standard comes with very minimal plugins..so i faced lot of issues during mixing..but after watching your tricks i get rid off those challenging issues day by day..Thank you a lot sir..
solves a lot of problems for me Thanks!
Just tried this on some live drum tracks using TDR Kotelnikov GE. Works a treat.
This is legit insane. I'm going to try this on my close tom mics right away!
What an amazing technique, I’m going to put this into practice immediately! Thank you Manny, thank you Warren!!
Thrilled you enjoyed trick ;)
Thank you for share this technic.
Brilliant!!! What a great tool
You're a saint to share this to us! A marvelous thank you from Brasil!
Incredible trick. Thanks,
I've just tried this trick on teaching videos my girlfriend is recording. Turns out, in her videos, she had a very annoying static high pitch noice coming out of the computer fan. I've used to use a gate and a low pass filter to get rid of it, but that would remove a bit of the treble of her voice. With this trick, I can leave the voice unaffected, thanks Warren !
I just mastered a video today with noisy voice tracks so I'll try this as the client hasn't seen it yet - cheers Warren!!!
Incredible, simple, amazing... :O fantastic. Thanx!
I'd adore your take on something like the Vulf Compressor (either for drums or a whole track), especially how Jack Stratton often uses it combined with a Glyn Johns method on drums.
Great video as always, I love phase reversal tricks.