As you seem to enjoy the little background jokes, one you may have missed: when they triumphantly announce the answer to how many boroughs would make the least people annoyed as 32, the music playing in the background is Journey of the Magi, used as the theme tune for the very British, and brilliant, Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, by Douglas Adams, in which the answer to Life, the Universe and Everything is, 42. These little joke Easter eggs are one of the many things that elevate Map Men videos above the herd.
@@Otacatapetl I'll assume that was the sodding red car behind the man in Wembley.... remembering that Basil beats said car with branch in an episode - ironically forcing Cleese to learn to drive.
Thank you❤️ ...and to JJ, why do you correct yourself from Birming_ham_ to Birming_um_ ... but repeatedly refer to "burrows" - which have been repeatedly by several commenters as being tunnels used / dug by rabbits to enter their warrens, but "_boroughs_" - "burruhs" are not. You hear it pronounced correctly within the video yet say "burrow" yourself which is to employ an 'Americanism' - '_Frickin'_' Annoying!! By the way, it's not Will_es_don_ it's "Wills_don"! You seem to try to pronounce British words correctly but you don't _listen_ well enough to repeat them correctly - sorry JJ...but try to _listen_and _hear_ and then_say_!! 🤔😏🙂🏴🇬🇧❤️🖖
It's almost as if he's spent a lifetime pronouncing something differently and now is failing to undo decades of learning after watching a few videos. It's totally unacceptable! Pull your finger out JJ.
@@louisemiller3784 You must admit it's quite annoying when someone continues to MISPRONOUNCE a word after it has been mentioned over and over, surely? I'm not being pompous _(although a little pedantic perhaps...),_ by agreeing with those who are trying to get JJ to 'say it right' - Just saying! 😄
Jay Foreman puts a lot of other British UA-camrs in his videos as cameos. The guy playing the minister for housing and local government in this video was also in the metro map video playing the French metro guy rejecting the Paris map that Harry Beck made. He has a channel called The Tim Traveller where he goes around Northeren Europe visiting unusual locations (especially if it involves trains). It might be the kind of thing you'd enjoy.
The guest on this video, playing Keith Joseph, is Tim Byrne, of 'The Tim Traveller' channel, it is well worth a look...He is also a great musician, a skill he uses with his performance choices for background music on his videos
the church parishes didn't split it up, it's more that each church was the centre of a village/community that all eventually grew and globbed together to form london.
Yes, a funny example of that is in the first publication of Encyclopaedia Britannica, "Kensington" is defined as "A pleasant village two miles west of London". For those who don't know, Kensington now forms a part of the very center of London.
there was the creation of more (ecclesastical) parishes, and bits of changes in the boundaries of administrative parishes, (and the Wards of the City of London are worth a vid on their own) . Some parishes switched the Bishopswrick they came under ( Winchester/Westminster/ Rochester and so on) , also he missed that for the old counties the parishes were grouped into Hundreds (which didnt really have much admin power to my knowledge, more a way of roughtly knowing where you were and something to do with tax collection/assessments on land)
Indeed. Also, these Parishes still are as official as ever, with "County Parish Numbers" (CPN) being used to "map reference" individual farms and small holdings whom have livestock.
Boroughs evolved from the Anglo-Saxon "Burh", a fortified town maintained by the local populous to be a place for people to retreat to during Viking raids. Maintaining fortress walls means that the population need to be organised to conduct repairs and improvements. So in Norman times the burhs were given self governance. The name and role slowly changed until it became a political subdivision divorced from it's original intent.
I suddenly noticed the pretty clock tower building in apparently portsmouth... actually its in castle road , Southsea(part of portsmouth).. lovely building which now houses my hairdressers 'Tony Wood'.....
I have to say that every night I watch a video of yours I have to watch it in 2 parts because your voice is soothing and it sends me to sleep so I have to watch the second part the next day.
The actor playing Keith is UA-camr "The Tim Traveller". He has a similar dry humour in his videos. The girl swamped on the phones near the start is musician dodie, also well known on UA-cam.
6:20 The background image is a still from Fawlty Towers. That's the car that Basil Fawlty (John Cleese) takes a branch and starts beating it, calling it a "vicious bastard". (An Easter Egg you missed there.)
Most large British towns and cities begin life as a village or fort and just grow from there. When you look at maps of, pretty much, any British city. You'll find each part of the city is named after the parish/village that used to be in that area. For example, the city of Newcastle in the north east of England was a fort on one end of a huge Roman wall called 'Hadrian's Wall' 'Newcastle' is derived from the Roman words 'Novus' (new) and 'Castrum' (fort or castle) Roman name, 'Novocastrum'. Which was the name of the castle that was built near the site of the old Roman Fort, Pons Aelius in 1080AD. There's even a district of Newcastle called 'Wallsend' as this is, more or less, the site of the end of the wall.
The name of each Borough meant a lot to those living there because of the very long histories and historical events that took places within them and written about in history books. The City of London was originally a walled City with several gates. The Romans had a lot to do with the walls 2,000 years ago. People began to settle just outside the walls and gates to be near to the action, then as the centuries passed more and more people came to London to make their fortunes and urban sprawl was born - in a big way. The City of London is now one of the leading financial capitals of the World and people work 'in the city' and only a 'relatively few' live there. Outside 'the City' many people call the rest of London - well London - or 'London Town' or just 'Town'. So if someone was travelling to work he/she would either say he/she was travelling up to 'Town' or to 'the City'. London became so big (and is growing everyday) that it has another City within it. (I know!) The City of Westminster - headquarters of the political stuff and one 'Constituency' with 'The City'- and as I've said - headquarters of the money stuff. When I watched a video called 'London, England's MEGACITY: Capital of the UK' I thought the narrator said the population of London was over 13M now - but I may have misheard. Good Video though it you are looking for something to react to!
This man is no longer purely American. After he has released so much excellent content we're now adopting him as one of our own and he is now an honourary Brit!
I BEG YOU to have a listen to Roxy Music for a UK band that greatly influenced music. But their evolution from 1st album "Roxy Music" in the early 70s to their final album in the 80s "Avalon". The change record by record means you have to listen to them chronologically. Bowie described them as one of his favourite and most influential bands he loved and theres footage of Bowie talking about them on UA-cam. On Bryan Ferry's later solo albums some of the greats like Dave Gilmour and Mark Knopfler and Robert Fripp have all worked with him. But listen to them in order of release and Roxy Music and Bryan Ferry's solo albums treat as different entities. Oh and Brian Eno was also a founding member but left aft the first couple of Roxy albums. Listen to what The Professor of Rock talk about Bryan Ferry.
Have you considered calling your home Ham Sweet Ham ? House names are popular in the UK. Some houses have numbers, some just names and others have both
Fun niche fact: one of the town-halls-turned-art-centres that he mentioned, Hornsey Art Centre, was the police station in the crime drama Whitechapel, both the exterior and the interior.
I am a former resident of The Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea (RBKC) and While it does have the second highest percentage of Billionaires and Millionaires living, along with celebrities and influential people, the borough is well know as the place where some if the wealthiest people in the country rub shoulders with some of the poorest. It used to have the dubious honour of being both the richest and the poorest borough in UK, but in more recent years it takes second place to the neighbouring borough of Westminster. No need to ask, I wasn't one of the wealthy or influential. However, what I would say about RBKC, particularly North Kensington is was one of the best places I ever lived, it's an amazing community. I am very nomadic and constantly have itchy feet, but North Kensington kept me tied down for 17 years that's the longest I have stayed in anyone place.
I used to work as a cartographer for the Ordnance Survey. There are lots of enclosures or plantations in GB, way out in the country often with trees on it or something. Many of them are phallic in shape and/or rude in other ways, especially in names ('Butt Hole Plantation', and yes we would send screenshots of these around the office.
Might be worth reacting to CPG Gray's video about the City of London. It will amaze you that it is basically a country within a country and it's not bound by the laws of the rest of the UK.
The City of London isn't a borough, it's a city and ceremonial county inside a city, and is not counted as one of the 32 boroughs. However, the City of Westminster (its neighbour to the west) is considered one of the 32 boroughs.
@neuralwarp Strictly speaking, you're right, London is a ceremonial county. But looking at the broader sense of the word "city", if someone were to ask if you lived in a town, village, city or in the country, a Londoner is more likely to say they live in a city than in a ceremonial county (I know that I, as a born and bred Londoner, would say city!). But yes, the Americans often have a strange definition of what a city is. I have family in the US who, for many years, lived in what we would consider a small town in North Carolina. However, it was officially considered a city!
Having a tiny city called London in a massive metropolitan area called Greater London IS a bit confusing, but what entertains me is that he said he lives in Los Angeles County. Which has a Los Angeles city inside it. Which is itself surrounded by 80 or so smaller cities people "think of" as Los Angeles even though they aren't. So it's not really any easier in the US 😂 New York City inside New York State if people want any other confusing examples for tourists!
Except that the Ham in West Ham and East Ham does not refer to Pigs but rather Hamlet meaning "a small settlement, generally one smaller than a village, and strictly (in Britain) one without a church".
Anyone who reacts positively to a J Forman video is just, by nature, entitled to a like. Anyone who reacts negatively to a J Forman video... well, let's just say we'll cross that abomination when/if it ever happens.
@@140cabins 2 dirty, promiscuous foxes were going at it in my front garden last night at 4am. You could hear the screams from a mile off,I would have thought. Why choose 4am ? Inconsiderate, anti-social besterds..:(
Local Council districts, and parliamentary constituencies, all over England , have also had their borders changed several times. I lived in a well to do town, which was switched into a down trodden City Council, which caused uproar , and frantic letter writing , by some of the wealthy inhabitants. It made no difference to anyone's wellbeing at all.
Hi you missed a joke at 9:15. The music was used as the theme tune for The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. The main idea was find the answer to life the universe and everything. The music is Journey of the Sorcerer by The Eagles.
Born in Lambeth South, grew up in Havering, just around the corner from the Cardrome. Yes I learnt to drive there in my dad's old Mk III Cortina. Joined the RAF in 1983. Now live in Norfolk. @PaganPunk was it Oldchurch Hospital, or the new one when you were born?
You should a video on the City of London i think its called the secret city. It was untouched because it has a lot of autonomy and can be partly compared to the Vatican City. You also need to appreciate most of these places were towns and villages in their own right as most parishes were London just grew into them. Croyden for example is a city. This has happened in other cities too like Manchester where there is no gap between city borders
If you travel west from the City of London you end up in the City of Westminster, both of which are in London. It's important to remember that as London grew over the centuries from its centre in the City (of London), it gobbled up parts of the surrounding Counties both north and south of the Thames, such as Surrey, Kent and Essex. And then there's Middlesex!! I live in the Borough of Runnymede (yes, THAT Runnymede) in the County of Surrey. At the moment, as far as I know, Surrey County Council is still in Kingston-on-Thames, which is now a London Borough but which was previously in Surrey - as were places like Lambeth and Southwark in London. Also, London has a Mayor, but the City of London has a Lord Mayor. Richard (Dick) Whittington is perhaps the most well-known Lord Mayor of London (1397-1399, 1406-1407 & 1419-1420).
@@highpath4776 Apparently the County Council Offices are now in Reigate, the intended move to Woking having been scrapped in 2020. I'm pretty sure I was told by staff at The Surrey History Centre in Woking that Guildford didn't want the County Headquarters. I believe the old County Hall was going to be sold to the former Kingston Polytechnic, now Kingston University.
@@nickk6518 Reigate sounds a bit too far East Surrey. With the loss of some of the manufacturing in Guildford wonder if they regret - certainly all buses can make their way to Guildford with ease in Surrey . I suppose with remote working and user access there is less need for a central place anyway
@@Isleofskye Indeed so. I think Surrey played one match a year in Kingston or Croydon ? and one in Guildford to spread things around (Like Essex normally at Chelmsford but go to Ilford and ?Colchester/Southend ?) for the odd match). Surrey I suppose more so when Oval is tied up for international games
And this sort of atrocity still goes on today! Example, I really really really wanted my YT name to be WatchAndReadAndPlayRetro; it makes more sense! But noooo, it was too long. Rules! (tush!) :( I'm glad that a few of the boroughs got some ands in the end, always strange yet fascinating history covered with Jay. Thanks J (and JF)
The names mattter to the people who live there, maybe have done for generations, and whose identity is being subsumed into something larger and less easily identifiable. Each subdivision of the modern boroughs has its own unique identity, with its own High Street (main shoping area) and community facilities. Like Jay said, it's like telling the people of Scotland that they are now English- but on a much smaller scale.
I thought at first that the street with the garbage (rubbish) in it was my own street. Then on closer inspection, I realised it isn't. However, I do know that Kay Foreman is a local to my area so it may be a similar street in this local area of the Borough of Harrow or Barnet built at the same time as my street.
The London borough in London is the City of London. It's only one square mile and was known for a century or two as the financial centre of the world. Not sure about nowadays, and much of the financial district is now in Canary Wharf. I live in a London Borough south of the river.
Interesting Facts: 1. The Indian gentleman who plays Sir Edwin Herbert is comedian and medical doctor, Dr Mark Silcox. He's supposed to be very funny but I saw him at the Edinburgh Fringe and he was terrible. Didn't but that on the Map Men video as he's clearly their friend. 2. The 8-bit type music they plan while talking about city planning is from SimCity 2000; appropriate for the subject.
They're "burrers" darling not Burrows, those are holes that rabbits dig in the ground. What the dear boy also forgot to tell you is that a huge chunk of "London" is the City of Westminster. It's not "British" it's English common Law, because it only applies in England.
If you ignore 'London the Capital City' and just initially think of many small villages (on the outskirts of Central London where the Monarch lived) growing and evolving over time that the borders merge and eventually are viewed as one great lump, that might make it simpler to understand.
You know what a borough is ? like in New York you have Five Manhattan, Staten Island, The Bronx, Queens, and Brooklyn. So in the UK we have areas of large cities with administrative areas called boroughs an example of a town with its own unitary administration within a county would be Middlesborough. London has Twelve boroughs
Before governmental social care and the creation of the NHS parishes were essential. Each parish were responsible for helping the people with education (if any), health care and social support. The churches maintained reports on deaths, births and marriages.
A burrow is where a rabbit lives. A borough is where people live! The City of London is a city in its own right as is Westminster but they are both part of the wider area called London.
To start to understand London and its boroughs, you need to realise that it is made up from a collection of separate villages that, over time, were gradually swallowed up to make the whole.
People in London do strongly relate to the place they are born - not so much the Borough! So, I tell people I was born in Tooting Bec - not the London Borough of Wandsworth!
The boroughs are just another way for Londoners to hate other parts of London, because Football teams, postcodes, the Thames, parishes and old village names that are still in use are not quite enough.
London (what we now refer to as London) is actually made up of 2 cities, the City of London (the square mile that was encircled by the old Roman Walls, much of which has long gone, although a few parts remain), and the City of Westminster (where the Houses of Parliament, Westminster Abbey, and Whitehall is). I have been told by some tour guides that it's the only capital city that has this claim to fame (I don't know how true this is). A lot of the boroughs originally were separate communities with farmland between them and London or Westminster, which is crazy to think of now (in fact there used to be open land between London and Westminster back in the day as well) so it made perfect sense for each place to look after their own local affairs, hence why they grew out of church parishes, which would have had their own parish councils which would have controlled the peasants living there. I do have one gripe, although you aren't alone in this so it's forgiveable, but borough isn't pronounced like you Americans say boro, the more Americanised version of the word, it more like buh-ruh, not bo-row. Not a biggie, but you said you were an actor so might be useful for when you get that part in an English period drama!!!
Ah Willesden (it's pronounced "Wilsden"). William Blake wrote that "The road of excess leads to the Palace of Willesden". Well, something like that, anyway. Some people claim he wrote "wisdom", but such eccentrics should be ignored. While I'm on about eccentrics, the iconic place at which the boroughs of Islington, Hackney and Haringey meet is known as Krapy Rubsnif, famous as the home of Arsenal. Those who insist on spelling it backwards and call it "Finsbury Park" should be ignored with the contempt they deserve.
And we still have Church Parishes, and boundaries, and Parish Council boundaries. Then there’s Town Council boundaries It’s all rather confusing really 😂
I don't know who that guy is, but it's certainly not Keith Joseph, a monetarist ideologue of what became Thatcherism, one of her blighted forerunners and political mentors.
As you seem to enjoy the little background jokes, one you may have missed: when they triumphantly announce the answer to how many boroughs would make the least people annoyed as 32, the music playing in the background is Journey of the Magi, used as the theme tune for the very British, and brilliant, Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, by Douglas Adams, in which the answer to Life, the Universe and Everything is, 42. These little joke Easter eggs are one of the many things that elevate Map Men videos above the herd.
He also missed the Basil Fawlty joke.
@@Otacatapetl I'll assume that was the sodding red car behind the man in Wembley.... remembering that Basil beats said car with branch in an episode - ironically forcing Cleese to learn to drive.
What is a burrow you ask? A burrow is a hole in the ground where rabbits live. In the UK we have Boroughs(in English buh-ruhs).
Thank you❤️ ...and to JJ, why do you correct yourself from Birming_ham_ to Birming_um_ ... but repeatedly refer to "burrows" - which have been repeatedly by several commenters as being tunnels used / dug by rabbits to enter their warrens, but "_boroughs_" - "burruhs" are not. You hear it pronounced correctly within the video yet say "burrow" yourself which is to employ an 'Americanism' -
'_Frickin'_' Annoying!! By the way, it's not Will_es_don_ it's "Wills_don"! You seem to try to pronounce British words correctly but you don't _listen_ well enough to repeat them correctly - sorry JJ...but try to _listen_and _hear_ and then_say_!! 🤔😏🙂🏴🇬🇧❤️🖖
You both sound so pompous and pedantic
@@louisemiller3784 you're fun
It's almost as if he's spent a lifetime pronouncing something differently and now is failing to undo decades of learning after watching a few videos. It's totally unacceptable! Pull your finger out JJ.
@@louisemiller3784
You must admit it's quite annoying when someone continues to MISPRONOUNCE a word after it has been mentioned over and over, surely? I'm not being pompous _(although a little pedantic perhaps...),_ by agreeing with those who are trying to get JJ to 'say it right' - Just saying! 😄
Jay Foreman puts a lot of other British UA-camrs in his videos as cameos. The guy playing the minister for housing and local government in this video was also in the metro map video playing the French metro guy rejecting the Paris map that Harry Beck made. He has a channel called The Tim Traveller where he goes around Northeren Europe visiting unusual locations (especially if it involves trains). It might be the kind of thing you'd enjoy.
The Tim Traveller's channel is that weird mix of humour and information
www.youtube.com/@TheTimTraveller
and well worth a watch.
+1 The Tim Traveler is awesome :D
The guest on this video, playing Keith Joseph, is Tim Byrne, of 'The Tim Traveller' channel, it is well worth a look...He is also a great musician, a skill he uses with his performance choices for background music on his videos
the church parishes didn't split it up, it's more that each church was the centre of a village/community that all eventually grew and globbed together to form london.
Yes, a funny example of that is in the first publication of Encyclopaedia Britannica, "Kensington" is defined as "A pleasant village two miles west of London". For those who don't know, Kensington now forms a part of the very center of London.
there was the creation of more (ecclesastical) parishes, and bits of changes in the boundaries of administrative parishes, (and the Wards of the City of London are worth a vid on their own) . Some parishes switched the Bishopswrick they came under ( Winchester/Westminster/ Rochester and so on) , also he missed that for the old counties the parishes were grouped into Hundreds (which didnt really have much admin power to my knowledge, more a way of roughtly knowing where you were and something to do with tax collection/assessments on land)
Indeed. Also, these Parishes still are as official as ever, with "County Parish Numbers" (CPN) being used to "map reference" individual farms and small holdings whom have livestock.
Boroughs evolved from the Anglo-Saxon "Burh", a fortified town maintained by the local populous to be a place for people to retreat to during Viking raids. Maintaining fortress walls means that the population need to be organised to conduct repairs and improvements. So in Norman times the burhs were given self governance. The name and role slowly changed until it became a political subdivision divorced from it's original intent.
correct
When you said "who's this guy?" It was "the Tim traveller" he has a UA-cam channel. ❤
Which is very worth checking out! His videos aren't quite as jokey as Jay Foreman's, he's more subtle and cheeky. But very entertaining, still!
I suddenly noticed the pretty clock tower building in apparently portsmouth... actually its in castle road , Southsea(part of portsmouth).. lovely building which now houses my hairdressers 'Tony Wood'.....
I have to say that every night I watch a video of yours I have to watch it in 2 parts because your voice is soothing and it sends me to sleep so I have to watch the second part the next day.
6:22 love how the background is basil fawlty's Austin Maxi
The actor playing Keith is UA-camr "The Tim Traveller". He has a similar dry humour in his videos.
The girl swamped on the phones near the start is musician dodie, also well known on UA-cam.
Jay has just done an interview on Mr Beats channel. If you were to fast forward to the 38:50 mark, you might find a nice surprise....
6:20 The background image is a still from Fawlty Towers.
That's the car that Basil Fawlty (John Cleese) takes a branch and starts beating it, calling it a "vicious bastard".
(An Easter Egg you missed there.)
Nice cameo from Tim the Tim Traveler 👍👍
For hidden jokes, have a longer look at those old town halls that are now art centres - especially the last one (at 3:01)!
Most large British towns and cities begin life as a village or fort and just grow from there. When you look at maps of, pretty much, any British city. You'll find each part of the city is named after the parish/village that used to be in that area. For example, the city of Newcastle in the north east of England was a fort on one end of a huge Roman wall called 'Hadrian's Wall' 'Newcastle' is derived from the Roman words 'Novus' (new) and 'Castrum' (fort or castle) Roman name, 'Novocastrum'. Which was the name of the castle that was built near the site of the old Roman Fort, Pons Aelius in 1080AD. There's even a district of Newcastle called 'Wallsend' as this is, more or less, the site of the end of the wall.
The name of each Borough meant a lot to those living there because of the very long histories and historical events that took places within them and written about in history books. The City of London was originally a walled City with several gates. The Romans had a lot to do with the walls 2,000 years ago. People began to settle just outside the walls and gates to be near to the action, then as the centuries passed more and more people came to London to make their fortunes and urban sprawl was born - in a big way. The City of London is now one of the leading financial capitals of the World and people work 'in the city' and only a 'relatively few' live there. Outside 'the City' many people call the rest of London - well London - or 'London Town' or just 'Town'. So if someone was travelling to work he/she would either say he/she was travelling up to 'Town' or to 'the City'. London became so big (and is growing everyday) that it has another City within it. (I know!) The City of Westminster - headquarters of the political stuff and one 'Constituency' with 'The City'- and as I've said - headquarters of the money stuff. When I watched a video called 'London, England's MEGACITY: Capital of the UK' I thought the narrator said the population of London was over 13M now - but I may have misheard. Good Video though it you are looking for something to react to!
This man is no longer purely American. After he has released so much excellent content we're now adopting him as one of our own and he is now an honourary Brit!
Jay Foreman did a live stream with Mr Beat today and mentioned you as the only person who he enjoys seeing reacting to his videos!
Certainly was fascinating, thanks!
05:13 That's The Tim Traveller. He's English and lives in, I think -Switz- Belgium?? He has a UA-cam channel which is also very good.
I BEG YOU to have a listen to Roxy Music for a UK band that greatly influenced music. But their evolution from 1st album "Roxy Music" in the early 70s to their final album in the 80s "Avalon". The change record by record means you have to listen to them chronologically. Bowie described them as one of his favourite and most influential bands he loved and theres footage of Bowie talking about them on UA-cam. On Bryan Ferry's later solo albums some of the greats like Dave Gilmour and Mark Knopfler and Robert Fripp have all worked with him. But listen to them in order of release and Roxy Music and Bryan Ferry's solo albums treat as different entities. Oh and Brian Eno was also a founding member but left aft the first couple of Roxy albums. Listen to what The Professor of Rock talk about Bryan Ferry.
Great Stuff and Part 2 is excellent,as well..
Nice use of the theme from Simon and the Witch
10:28 Woop woop Barnet thats my home town and Borough lol 😂
Have you considered calling your home Ham Sweet Ham ? House names are popular in the UK. Some houses have numbers, some just names and others have both
Fun niche fact: one of the town-halls-turned-art-centres that he mentioned, Hornsey Art Centre, was the police station in the crime drama Whitechapel, both the exterior and the interior.
5:13 I think that's The Tim Traveller.
I love British humour!! So obviously Monty Python has had a huge impact on my soul.
I am a former resident of The Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea (RBKC) and While it does have the second highest percentage of Billionaires and Millionaires living, along with celebrities and influential people, the borough is well know as the place where some if the wealthiest people in the country rub shoulders with some of the poorest. It used to have the dubious honour of being both the richest and the poorest borough in UK, but in more recent years it takes second place to the neighbouring borough of Westminster. No need to ask, I wasn't one of the wealthy or influential. However, what I would say about RBKC, particularly North Kensington is was one of the best places I ever lived, it's an amazing community. I am very nomadic and constantly have itchy feet, but North Kensington kept me tied down for 17 years that's the longest I have stayed in anyone place.
Of course it's in the shape of a "knob" We have to get our fun where we can.. Also it's pointing at the prize "knob" Keith Joseph
I used to work as a cartographer for the Ordnance Survey. There are lots of enclosures or plantations in GB, way out in the country often with trees on it or something. Many of them are phallic in shape and/or rude in other ways, especially in names ('Butt Hole Plantation', and yes we would send screenshots of these around the office.
Might be worth reacting to CPG Gray's video about the City of London. It will amaze you that it is basically a country within a country and it's not bound by the laws of the rest of the UK.
Not correct its still has to follow National Laws .
The City of London isn't a borough, it's a city and ceremonial county inside a city, and is not counted as one of the 32 boroughs. However, the City of Westminster (its neighbour to the west) is considered one of the 32 boroughs.
Greater London isn't a city, it's a county. Americans misuse the term "city".
@neuralwarp Strictly speaking, you're right, London is a ceremonial county. But looking at the broader sense of the word "city", if someone were to ask if you lived in a town, village, city or in the country, a Londoner is more likely to say they live in a city than in a ceremonial county (I know that I, as a born and bred Londoner, would say city!).
But yes, the Americans often have a strange definition of what a city is. I have family in the US who, for many years, lived in what we would consider a small town in North Carolina. However, it was officially considered a city!
Having a tiny city called London in a massive metropolitan area called Greater London IS a bit confusing, but what entertains me is that he said he lives in Los Angeles County. Which has a Los Angeles city inside it. Which is itself surrounded by 80 or so smaller cities people "think of" as Los Angeles even though they aren't. So it's not really any easier in the US 😂 New York City inside New York State if people want any other confusing examples for tourists!
"I am your obedient servant" is an old-fashioned qv of yours faithfully and is largely obsolete nowadays 🎩
Debrett's Correct Form is still a best-seller. Especially if you need to write to an orthodox archimandrite.
Except that the Ham in West Ham and East Ham does not refer to Pigs but rather Hamlet meaning "a small settlement, generally one smaller than a village, and strictly (in Britain) one without a church".
I once thought East Ham and West Ham referred to the two halves of Southampton...
@@SongsOfDragons Or Northampton and Southampton were the North and South of Hampton Court...
"Whose this guy?" That guy is from the Youtue channel The Tim Traveller.
Anyone who reacts positively to a J Forman video is just, by nature, entitled to a like.
Anyone who reacts negatively to a J Forman video... well, let's just say we'll cross that abomination when/if it ever happens.
I live in kent. Close by there are 2 small towns - Ham and Sandwich.
A burrow is where rabbits live. A borough is something different.
Rabbits also live in a borough
@@jasoncallow860 Until they get eaten by the foxes.
@@140cabins 2 dirty, promiscuous foxes were going at it in my front garden last night at 4am. You could hear the screams from a mile off,I would have thought.
Why choose 4am ? Inconsiderate, anti-social besterds..:(
A burrow in a Borough @@jasoncallow860
Local Council districts, and parliamentary constituencies, all over England , have also had their borders changed several times.
I lived in a well to do town, which was switched into a down trodden City Council, which caused uproar , and frantic letter writing , by some of the wealthy inhabitants.
It made no difference to anyone's wellbeing at all.
Hi you missed a joke at 9:15. The music was used as the theme tune for The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. The main idea was find the answer to life the universe and everything. The music is Journey of the Sorcerer by The Eagles.
I was Born in The London Borough of Havering ❤ xx
I'm in Collier Row right now. Raised in Rise Park and Brentwood Road. My nan had the Old Oak.
Born in Lambeth South, grew up in Havering, just around the corner from the Cardrome. Yes I learnt to drive there in my dad's old Mk III Cortina. Joined the RAF in 1983. Now live in Norfolk. @PaganPunk was it Oldchurch Hospital, or the new one when you were born?
In the UK Borough is a rare place name word. It is almost universally pronounced BU-RER.
Generally from Burgh ( a defensible place) in norman the place would be run by Burghers ( see Dutch and German similar)
Never give an American a pronunciation with a terminal R, or they'll start doing pirate impressions.
[BA-ra]
I lived in Greenwich for 20 years and people called it Woolwich in equal measure, which I found very confusing at first.
You should a video on the City of London i think its called the secret city. It was untouched because it has a lot of autonomy and can be partly compared to the Vatican City. You also need to appreciate most of these places were towns and villages in their own right as most parishes were London just grew into them. Croyden for example is a city. This has happened in other cities too like Manchester where there is no gap between city borders
Are you referring to the one by CGP Grey? ua-cam.com/video/LrObZ_HZZUc/v-deo.htmlsi=Go90XpOdVtqWe4Vj
I dont think Croydon got its City Status (Greenwhich got its Royal Borough status more recently).
@@highpath4776 ok I thought they got it.
Shoutout to Keith Sinjohn Joseph, aka the Tim Traveller here on UA-cam
2:44 My old borough of Hounslow had a beautiful Victorian town hall and public baths. Then they demolished it to build a shopping mall.
Haringey in the house! Was Harringay (postal address are still that), but they changed it to -gey in the 70's. I still get confused.
No, both names are used, but in different contexts.
@@neuralwarp I grew up as it all being Harringay, I still have to stop and think whether it's the postal address or the Council itself I'm referring.
As someone born and raised in Haringey, I can confirm the two different spellings of the names still confuse me to this day 😅
Likewise👍, although I was born in the Whittington, which is technically in Camden😄
If you travel west from the City of London you end up in the City of Westminster, both of which are in London. It's important to remember that as London grew over the centuries from its centre in the City (of London), it gobbled up parts of the surrounding Counties both north and south of the Thames, such as Surrey, Kent and Essex. And then there's Middlesex!!
I live in the Borough of Runnymede (yes, THAT Runnymede) in the County of Surrey. At the moment, as far as I know, Surrey County Council is still in Kingston-on-Thames, which is now a London Borough but which was previously in Surrey - as were places like Lambeth and Southwark in London.
Also, London has a Mayor, but the City of London has a Lord Mayor. Richard (Dick) Whittington is perhaps the most well-known Lord Mayor of London (1397-1399, 1406-1407 & 1419-1420).
I think Surrey has now got its admin out to Guildford
I used to watch Surrey County Cricket Club from the roof of our school opposite the ground at The Oval in Kennington,South East London:)
@@highpath4776 Apparently the County Council Offices are now in Reigate, the intended move to Woking having been scrapped in 2020. I'm pretty sure I was told by staff at The Surrey History Centre in Woking that Guildford didn't want the County Headquarters. I believe the old County Hall was going to be sold to the former Kingston Polytechnic, now Kingston University.
@@nickk6518 Reigate sounds a bit too far East Surrey. With the loss of some of the manufacturing in Guildford wonder if they regret - certainly all buses can make their way to Guildford with ease in Surrey . I suppose with remote working and user access there is less need for a central place anyway
@@Isleofskye Indeed so. I think Surrey played one match a year in Kingston or Croydon ? and one in Guildford to spread things around (Like Essex normally at Chelmsford but go to Ilford and ?Colchester/Southend ?) for the odd match). Surrey I suppose more so when Oval is tied up for international games
The guy @5:12 is ‘The Tim Traveller’ you should definitely check him out
I get such strong Brass Eye vibes from these guys
And this sort of atrocity still goes on today!
Example, I really really really wanted my YT name to be WatchAndReadAndPlayRetro; it makes more sense! But noooo, it was too long. Rules! (tush!) :(
I'm glad that a few of the boroughs got some ands in the end, always strange yet fascinating history covered with Jay.
Thanks J (and JF)
I think you missed all of the descriptions of the (ex) Town Halls.
The names mattter to the people who live there, maybe have done for generations, and whose identity is being subsumed into something larger and less easily identifiable. Each subdivision of the modern boroughs has its own unique identity, with its own High Street (main shoping area) and community facilities. Like Jay said, it's like telling the people of Scotland that they are now English- but on a much smaller scale.
I’m from the Lewisham borough in southeast London
So where's part 2, as that was only 15 min I thought they'd both be together
Hi,
The City of London is not a London Borough, that's the whole point.
I thought at first that the street with the garbage (rubbish) in it was my own street. Then on closer inspection, I realised it isn't. However, I do know that Kay Foreman is a local to my area so it may be a similar street in this local area of the Borough of Harrow or Barnet built at the same time as my street.
The London borough in London is the City of London. It's only one square mile and was known for a century or two as the financial centre of the world. Not sure about nowadays, and much of the financial district is now in Canary Wharf. I live in a London Borough south of the river.
It is not a borough, oddly. It is the Corporation of London.
Another +1 for The Tim Traveller!!
Interesting Facts:
1. The Indian gentleman who plays Sir Edwin Herbert is comedian and medical doctor, Dr Mark Silcox. He's supposed to be very funny but I saw him at the Edinburgh Fringe and he was terrible. Didn't but that on the Map Men video as he's clearly their friend.
2. The 8-bit type music they plan while talking about city planning is from SimCity 2000; appropriate for the subject.
"It's in the shape of a...knob." I just DIED. Is that a word Americans use for a penis, too? If so, I didn't know that!
They're "burrers" darling not Burrows, those are holes that rabbits dig in the ground. What the dear boy also forgot to tell you is that a huge chunk of "London" is the City of Westminster. It's not "British" it's English common Law, because it only applies in England.
If you ignore 'London the Capital City' and just initially think of many small villages (on the outskirts of Central London where the Monarch lived) growing and evolving over time that the borders merge and eventually are viewed as one great lump, that might make it simpler to understand.
You know what a borough is ? like in New York you have Five Manhattan, Staten Island, The Bronx, Queens, and Brooklyn. So in the UK we have areas of large cities with administrative areas called boroughs an example of a town with its own unitary administration within a county would be Middlesborough. London has Twelve boroughs
what is a borough as in scarborough
Before governmental social care and the creation of the NHS parishes were essential. Each parish were responsible for helping the people with education (if any), health care and social support. The churches maintained reports on deaths, births and marriages.
That man is the chap chosing how the boroughs were going to be split up ..... Keith St John something, My dad was born in East Ham in ESSEX
A burrow is where a rabbit lives. A borough is where people live! The City of London is a city in its own right as is Westminster but they are both part of the wider area called London.
Part 2 !!!
I was born and raised in Waltham Forest
I'm from the bought of kinkslynn and westnorfolk
Queens is a borough if new york city,same thing
Like Pitts Borrow?
1st "e" in Willesden is silent so Wilsden,not willessden🎩
burrow?
To start to understand London and its boroughs, you need to realise that it is made up from a collection of separate villages that, over time, were gradually swallowed up to make the whole.
You should watch prime ministers question time. The most polite slagging off you'll ever hear.
Not just UK - e.g.Brooklyn and Queens are boroughs of New York.
People in London do strongly relate to the place they are born - not so much the Borough! So, I tell people I was born in Tooting Bec - not the London Borough of Wandsworth!
The boroughs are just another way for Londoners to hate other parts of London, because Football teams, postcodes, the Thames, parishes and old village names that are still in use are not quite enough.
Of course Borough is also Burg, Burgh, Boro, Brough, Bury.
Yes, but not sure about the last one:)
London (what we now refer to as London) is actually made up of 2 cities, the City of London (the square mile that was encircled by the old Roman Walls, much of which has long gone, although a few parts remain), and the City of Westminster (where the Houses of Parliament, Westminster Abbey, and Whitehall is). I have been told by some tour guides that it's the only capital city that has this claim to fame (I don't know how true this is).
A lot of the boroughs originally were separate communities with farmland between them and London or Westminster, which is crazy to think of now (in fact there used to be open land between London and Westminster back in the day as well) so it made perfect sense for each place to look after their own local affairs, hence why they grew out of church parishes, which would have had their own parish councils which would have controlled the peasants living there.
I do have one gripe, although you aren't alone in this so it's forgiveable, but borough isn't pronounced like you Americans say boro, the more Americanised version of the word, it more like buh-ruh, not bo-row. Not a biggie, but you said you were an actor so might be useful for when you get that part in an English period drama!!!
Who's this guy? That is Tim Traveller.
Doesn’t New York have boroughs?
😮 and the price (+ fees ffs) of the mugs is preposterous imho.😢
Wembley is Harrow's lackey. Yeah, I said it! Wembley thought they were stuff because they have some HA postcodes and the Stadium🤣
I only go to the city.
a lot of muppets in power do weird things
“just a name”, yes, but history attaches to names.
New York has boroughs, doesn't it?
Yes 5.
Kensington and Chelsea are home to some of the richest people in Britain.
Ah Willesden (it's pronounced "Wilsden"). William Blake wrote that "The road of excess leads to the Palace of Willesden". Well, something like that, anyway. Some people claim he wrote "wisdom", but such eccentrics should be ignored.
While I'm on about eccentrics, the iconic place at which the boroughs of Islington, Hackney and Haringey meet is known as Krapy Rubsnif, famous as the home of Arsenal. Those who insist on spelling it backwards and call it "Finsbury Park" should be ignored with the contempt they deserve.
The smallest one is a burrito
Let's taco bout it.
A "burrow" is a tunnel made by an animal. The video however, is about "boroughs" 😂 'burr-ah'❤
And we still have Church Parishes, and boundaries, and Parish Council boundaries. Then there’s Town Council boundaries
It’s all rather confusing really 😂
I don't know who that guy is, but it's certainly not Keith Joseph, a monetarist ideologue of what became Thatcherism, one of her blighted forerunners and political mentors.
OMG I’ve lived here in London my whole life….im foncused?
A 'burrow' is what a rabbit lives in.
A 'borough' is what people live in.
They're spelled and said differently!