Before Dookie 1: How Punk Became Pop (1976-87)
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- Pop-Punk as a sub-genre is almost as old as punk. While the genre may have hit its commercial apex in 1994, since the very start of punk rock there have been bands that mixed heartfelt lyrics and pop suss with punk's speed and aggression. It's not always been the most respected genre, but who says punk's “three chords and the truth” sentiment doesn't apply to the excruciation of a relationship gone bad. The chain of influence has generally been simplified to: Buzzcocks plus Descendents plus Husker Du equals Green Day. But its much more complex than that. So what is the evolution of pop-punk? How did we get from the Ramones to Green Day in 18 years? And most importantly, how did we get to the point where a “punk rock” band could sell 20 million records?
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You should do a video on the history of indie rock.
Hey, man great video. Any chance you can make a playlist on Spotify or in a pinned comment of the groups mentioned?
Chris Sherrill that’s a great idea 👍
@@chrisspacecowboy3152 essential listening is: Ramones - st, clash - st, adolescents - st, bad religion - suffer, jawbreaker - 24 hour revenge therapy, minor threat - discography, against me - reinventing axl rose, latterman - no matter where we go, bomb the music industry - get warmer, descendents - Milo goes to college, dead Kennedys - fresh fruit for rotten vegetables, face to face - don't turn away. There are many I forgot but that's a pretty good span of albums and to be honest will only take about an hour to listen to them all.
Great content. Please consider making a video about Björk. It'd be great.
finally someone who isnt afraid to say that The Ramones were the first Pop-Punk band. And you know what? that isnt a bad thing!
Who is saying they aren't pop punk?
@@tylee1362 I know a lot of people that would beat you up for just implying that the Ramones and "pop-punk" have any relation
Tylee 13 A lot of people
That's dumb. Blink and the Ramones are a thousand miles apart. The thing that makes a band great, immortal, is they invented a sound. All great bands are originals, like they were born out of thin air, and are instantly recognizable. That's the Ramones. Nobody did what they did. Even their peers at CBGB were artier and closer to rock, and thought they were nuts. Until it all came together. They took YEARS before radio would play them. Blink is pop-punk. They took what MANY before them built, polished it, sang it in a SoCal bro accent, and made it safe and easy to digest. I understand if you were born in the 90s, love pop-punk, and want to apply that to the Ramones, the Buzzcocks, or whomever else, but it's simply not true. These bands created punk, not picked it up 20 years after the fact and sanitized it for MTV.
El Padrino where did you find all these violent, deaf people?
Punk has had pop elements since day 1
Poly styrene from x ray spex always said she made pop songs
@@TheStein474 the Ramones wanted to be like the bay city rollers. They were pop all the way
Isn't pop-punk more political than anything?
Meaning.... When they do something the punk rock elite (talk about oxymoronic) disproves of, you're "pop punk".
Regardless of what we one thinks of green day.... When they played kerplunk that was considered "punk".... Than pop punk ever since. Kerplunk was well poppy/ emo riffic as fuck.... (And not that good honestly). Than look at insomniac, which is heavier ... Is considered "pop". This isn't about green day either just an observation....
But while the video points it out....
The Ramones always were, and would be by today standards....
I'd argue the clash was mainstream punk. And often very "poppy".
Screeching weasel, the vandals, etc. It's more semantical than anything.
I used to be big into this shit and if I remember correctly pop-punk doesn't even really become a big term until blink 182 which I just considered power pop.
I would argue pop punk is simply hooky punk, and would include most of the 90-96 punk. Rancid, and all of that too... It's punk that's catchy as fuck, that's all.
After that it's mostly emo... Which honestly is guilty of the same perceptive issues as pop punk verses punk.
Exactly!
Ramones, Dickies, Buzzcocks, Lurkers, Boys, Dead Kennedy's, Undertones, Stiff Little Fingers AND Naked Raygun FOREVER..!!
Every time I hear someone say "Pop music" it always has some kind of new definition.
I've heard it described as everything from Top 40 hits, to music made for the singles format, to a synonym for R&B music, to music that follows a verse chorus verse formula, to music that's not indie, to a pejorative used by pretentious people about music they don't like.
To most 'musos', pop means a song that uses melody to stick to your brain. Therefore Beatles and Beach Boys were pop bands (obviously) but so are Cheap Trick, Nirvana and White Stripes (to pick just three examples) because the songs are just as important as the loud guitars..!
Dance music is often called pop but I don't always think that's true because dance music doesn't always use a pop vocal melody, it's sometimes just about the musical 'groove' (i.e. something to shake your ass to)
@@c.s.4428 ‘pop music’ started as shorthand for ‘popular music’. Easier to set typeface in the old printing presses by shortening the word ‘popular’.
But today's pop music are actually bad, you can't accuse someone of being 'pretentious' when some pop music ACTUALLY sucks
I define pop music by a sound, most 'pop' just has a specific sound to it that distinguishes it from other genres, yes it used to stand for popular music but I more over identify it by the sound it's taken, especially because now there's mixtures of pop into other genres which makes the original genre into a mix with pop (pop-rock, pop-rap, pop-punk etc) I mean there's the term mainstream music for the overarching radio play and big streams on the billboard but pop itself is more of a genre now. Every decade has a distinguishable pop sound, 80s, 90s, 00s, 10s...even current 20s are taking shape into a new form of pop as the years get into their own stride (like most decades) and by 2030 we'll have a distinguishable sound for what pop music was, which from 2004-2009 honestly not a bunch changed, but 2010 vs 2015 is a whole new world. It's that bit of overlap of 2-3 years of figuring out what that decades sound is, so pop music to me isn't popular music anymore as that's now categorized as mainstream, but it's own genre defined by it's sound. You can listen to some group like vitamin c in the late 90s, and then in the early 2000s listen to some sort of boyband and there's not much difference, still noticable pop sound, but even listening further in towards 2008 where sound starting hitting EDM waves more, you can link it back into the 90s flow and sound sometimes. There's even subgenres that define it like bedroom pop, dream pop, bubblegum pop, hyper pop... It's such a versatile genre yet holds it's own with a sound that can only be categorized under it.
Pop has been described differently in every generation. There was a time Bing Crosby and Frank Sinatra were pop. Then it became doo-wop and the vocal group stuff of the late 50s and early 60s, then the Beatles and Beach Boys, then bubblegum pop in the 70s, then Madonna and Phil Collins and Michael Jackson in the 80s, then the boy bands and pop princesses of the 90s. Now pop is 99% of what's on the radio.
Before Black Flag : How Punk Became Hardcore ?
That's gunna be a short video...
Black Flag or Bad Brains? A debatable topic.
Black Flag / Panic were definitely on the verge of, if not, hardcore. Earliest demos being December '78. featuring White Minority, I Don't Care, and Wasted.
Bad Brains cum to play demo was released the same year, '78, though hard to find initial release date. Featuring Pay to Cum, How Low Can a Punk Get, and Just Another Damn Song.
not an attempt to try to correct you, or even say "you're wrong!", just an interesting topic. Both bands have earned, and deserve their iconic status in the Hardcore scene either way.
Also, much love to H.R., hope he's doing well.
@@myndfields8539 Nervous Breakdown recorded in January '78: Am I a joke to you?
The Middle Class formed in '77, Black Flag in '76, and the Bad Brains went punk in '77. Black Flags first shows predate the other two and Nervous Breakdown was recorded before The Middle Class even played their first show, not sure about the Bas Brains. It's not a competition though, these three bands were completely original in what they were creating nevertheless. The Germs and The Weirdos both already had singles that stood out and pointed towards the direction of hardcore, listen to Why Do You Exist? Or Circle One
It didn't...
Stiff Little Fingers is one of the most underrated classic punk bands. Thank you for acknowledging them
Saw them live a few years ago, they were openers for the offspring. Great show put on by them
Saw them twice in the mid 2000s. Slf is one of my fav bands.
5LF, great band!
Up the wee six
Jake Burns went to my school so e did like
You're an Encyclopedia of music. I mean, 18 straight minutes about pop-punk and the roots of it. You deserve more subs, mate.
I was a jersey kid and was lucky enough to get to see THE RAMONES 30 + times
Man, I was a kid in 77 living on St Marks Place, the heart of it all in NYC. 78 we get dumped in fucking Wildwood of all places. Took an extra decade to finally hear what I was right next to at it's inception. We could not even get Stockton's college radio cause of the Beesley's point power plant. Still pissed about that all.
@Gnashing Teeth THURSDAY were a game changer for the next wave of post hardcore . Lifetime rule and can't forget the Misfits. Actual hype behind some of the best punk/hardcore tracks ever. NJ holds a special spot in my punk heart
Am currently a jersey kid. You make me jealous.
I grew up in Atlanta and I saw them 4 times. The first time was in 1990 with Social Distortion, I met Joey at that show, I was impressed with how ordinary and cool he was. I also met Mike Ness at that show, he was kind of a dick. Anyway, the Ramones would tour once a year and every year they'd say it was they're last tour, so we'd shell out our 20 bucks and go see them. We all thought they were threatening to quit touring as a way of generating revenue, but I think Joey was actually pretty sick by the mid 90s, I think his hair had fallen out and he was wearing a wig. Great shows though. The Ramones actually played all their stuff just a bit faster live than they did in the studio. Those shows are some of my fondest memories.
Yeah I saw them about a dozen times in the late 80s in Atlanta area..loud as hell..Mark Bell is a awesome drummer..I saw him warm up before a show..he had a black Pearl kit with silver cymbals
But seriously Screeching Weasel were making 2000s sounding pop punk in 1988
For reals. Hey Suburbia does not sound like an 80s punk song. It was so ahead of it's time
More like they were making 90s pop punk in the late 80s. 2000s pop punk is garbage.
So ahead of its time.
I've not heard about Screeching Weasel since the 90s.. Thank you for reminding me!
I was surprised they weren't on the list 🤔
Man, you nailed this! I was totally waiting for the Descendents to be overlooked but - no, not only was their importance noted, they got their own chapter. Awesome job!!
I still LOVE THEM !!! Greatest long distance drive band ever !!!
One of my favourite bands, DEVO started out as a full on Punk band, but when they released their cover of Satisfaction punks started to go to their concerts to spit.
Which is the most punk rock thing I can think of, screaming about De evolution towards these raging punks.
If you wanna hear devo at their most punk listen to their Halloween ‘75 live cd.
L French extremely underrated and important band in music history
the Stones are proto punk anyway
Wait please correct me if im wrong but is this the same devo who sang whip it?
@@Christopherdaviddd yeah, eventually they shifted from outwardly aggressive music towards subtly satirical music.
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If you wanna hear what I’m talking about listen to Jocko Homo from this concert, and try to find the mabuhay gardens bootleg
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@@LFrench thanks a lot man! I actually never heard devo other from whip it when it played on the radio. I'll check em out more
13:43 The lawsuit between Agent Orange and The Offspring also inspired The Vandals to write the the song "Aging Orange" where they directly reference Agent Orange's song Bloodstains, as well as the scale it was written in and how it wasn't their invention at all --
"I came up with a brilliant little plan - I'll take out my frustrations - on one of these ungrateful new punk rock bands - 'cause I invented socks - and I invented gravy - I made up the cotton gin - but no one ever paid me - Why beat a dead horse - with a career that is cursed? - I'll just sue for royalties - on things I thought of first - Back in Ancient Egypt - many Pharaohs went to jail - for misappropriation - of my Phrigian scale - I said listen to Tutankhamen - you're driving me insane - it's obvious those bellies - are all dancing to Bloodstains"
That's great lol. This is the first I've heard of Agent Orange suing The Offspring over Come out and play... I honestly never would have made the connection just from hearing those riffs.
That's awesome information and the lyrics are great. Thanks for that!
The Quickening by The Vandals s a killer 90s pop punk album. Important to note that it was released on Nitro Records, which is Dexter Holland's label.
Just a small correction, a suit was never filed against The Offspring, so Agent Orange never sued them. They did file a claim that requested Epitaph Records to pay them a licensing fee.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Come_Out_and_Play_(The_Offspring_song)#Legal_issues
martk fartkerson thanks for that mate!
Damn, unbelievable, how huge overview above the scene you have.
Thank you for this magnificent content.
Tomáš Kasl well said, this video was a real treat to watch!
Yep, imagine the effort this production required! This is how to be scholarly with nearly out of control subject matter, and still keep your audience! Wow
Shout out to the Tony Hawk Pro Skater games.
When you hear Amoeba as Tony Hawk.
that had the worste! Thank God For JAckAss!
@@SwallowFury Don't forget bloodstains from pro skater 4
The kid I work with at the resturant only knows punk from those games. LOL it's cool though.
Very true, generally when I'm surprised a younger person is familiar with a song it's T.h., G.t.a. or guitar hero games🕹
Even though I lived through it, I'm still to this day confused by the concept that "pop punk" evolved into existence. It was always there, and it's always there every time somebody brings up this topic. There's just been various forms of pop punk since anyone conceived of punk. And punk itself was just a "rediscovery" of stripped down rock and roll.
Agree. It's a Rock n Roll '50s aesthetic, with a few other influences thrown in the mix.
Same I lived it as well, it was as much about social angst and frustration as a teenager in the 70's, the music was a by product of that, we couldn't afford good instruments or music lessons or play anywhere but mates garages and basements but we played anyway the clothes we wore were from op shops and only bought because the were warm and cheap ,holes were safety pinned together cause we couldn't sew , hard to replicate that as a musician living in the more comfortable suburbs, Green day and blink 182 are about as punk as a barber quartet
@shortanoar-if you think “Green Day isn’t punk”, you don’t know a thing about music... they take the influences of everything from The Clash and Ramones to surf rock, rockabilly (which was punk from 1958...) to girl groups and country. Think of another band that did that...do The Ramones come to mind, or do you think they aren’t punk either?
And all the bands you mentioned pushed boundaries and Green day didn't , punk died with new wave and the new romantic scene ,a time long gone ,green day was a reasonable band but hardly punk
Right? Poppunk is a frickin oxymoron
Ironically singing pop punk is technically punk in the punk scene
Absolutely. I love the Beatles and the Greatful Dead and sport shirts if them at all punk God's I go to.
Is soon as a girl gets how punk that is I'll make her mine.
"I'm such a non conformist that to avoid conforming to you non conformist, I'll join your dance group."
@@justinlast2lastharder749 hahaha great reference
FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT. It's been so many years since I talked punk with someone that understood that pop punk was there from literally day 1 and the Ramones.
Right*
@GretschDog If you go back to some of their earliest songs, like Judy is a Punk, it's basically radio-friendly pop tunes that are sped up and intentionally underproduced. The Ramones wanted every song to sound live, and therefore raw, and it was a fundamentally fun band. When Marky was butting heads with Sid Vicious recently, you could tell that the so-called "pop punk" ethos was very dear to the Ramones, as Marky put it, "we were a fun punk band," comparing the Ramones with the politically aggressive Sex Pistols.
It's nothing against our hardcore brothers, it's just that pop punk is fundamentally part of the early history of punk. The only reason we have something we call pop punk in the late '80s through the early 2000s is because there was a temporary cessation in the punk world, at least in terms of volume, of that kind of sound, not because it was totally novel.
The band that basically created what we think of as '90s punk was Screeching Weasel, and it's no surprise that the very first album they covered was Ramones (in 1993).
Pop beings frowned upon simply for being pop is ridiculous. Theres genius in mixing the extremes with pop or country or whatever, hardcore country, fuzzed out twee pop, glitched out chaotic bubble gum electronic. It's all fucking awesome. Why limit the emotional pallet of music? Genius and heart could be found in any genre, many artists bring something different.
Your right about the beginnings of Punk it was a reaction to the optimism of the '60's "Phony Beatlemainia has bitten the dust"... And all of that it was angry subversive music a reaction to how people felt. It began to drift and evolve which is fine and I don't really begrudge that but in doing that in someways it lost its soul...
I think Refused put it best with "The Shape of Punk to Come" album, there's an inherent contradiction in trying to wrap a revolutionary message inside of a sound that has been co-opted by the mainstream. "How can we expect anyone to listen, If we're using the same old voice."
Their answer to that was a call for a break with the past.
"Our expression will be the only honest one, our words will be the only challenging ones and our art will be the one revolutionary expression. We need new noise and new voices and new canvases to become something more than the last poets of a useless generation."
I'm not a huge punk fan I generally prefer to listen to Metal but damned if that album doesn't sound like a slap across the face.
@@p.s.visual9738 "I hate to break the mystique, but at the time, we really liked bubblegum music..." Joey Ramone (1999). Human beings simply adore attaching their identity to marketing products, and so there is always an artist willing to fill his belly on that fact.
I only have a problem with pop limiting the emotional pallet of music
@@1norwood1 Did it really though? Cause all I see is them fighting a different enemy. When the point had been made that we're sick of the same old beatlemania drivel, there were other things to fight and problems to address, hence all the punk that has come afterwards
I dig all sorts of emotional music. Pop punk especially in the mid 90s till now just sounds gutless to me. Just my lousy 2 cents that no one asked for
I'm really glad this channel exists. Among all the new wave of manufactured interesting takes on [insert subject here], your channel stands out. You're the real deal! Thanks!
I’m super happy to see this video. I love Green Day and The Descendents, and to see how Pop Punk evolved including those bands, really helps put the genre in perspective.
It sounds like someone was punching you in the taint when you said "Bowie"
I noticed that too.
You just did an entire retrospective of my teenage life. Thank you! (Damn, I am so old.)
Haha, so true, me too. What can ya do?
Sam Haines Be grateful we’ve lived even this long, I guess. ♥️👍🏼
@@recynd77 ;)
Right?!? I suddenly find myself staring down the barrel of 50...and I was one of the young-ins at the shows I was going to in the early eighties!
Preach...Peace.
"Like loserdom, and wanting to be a bear..." Best line in the whole video.
That's a great album for sure.
I saw Milo on the Cover and needed to watch!!!!
That’s how I feel every time I see Milo in a thumbnail
prodigy Is Prodigy Same.. Their cover of the Beach Boys ‘wendy’ was my gateway drug to them in the mid-80’s.. the Liveage! live version was even better..
The reason I clicked.
yes sir!
Love how you play short specific examples of songs. Fantastic and insightful for outsiders to the punk style like meself.
Great video. It really contains all the bands I was immediatly enthralled by after listening to the Dookie album as a kid. And it also a great basis to show how complicated things between pop and punk actually are. Thank you!
This is so well put together, looking forward to part 2 man!
What a great video! So many bands I didn’t know about, totally need to check them out! And the liaisons you set are really on point!
Although most "true" punks would likely consider it sacrilege to even suggest this, the popularity of 80s thrash and hair metal, from Hanoi Rocks at the beginning of the decade to GNR and Metallica at the end of it, helped in the mainstreaming of punk, as well.
I appreciate all music. Especially the stuff that influences all the punk music that I enjoy. Besides the other stuff from the Seventies. Those punks who say punk isn’t inspired by other music are wrong. All music has a basis, just listen to what you love! I love punk and my mohawk, you spread truth.
And if anyone doesn’t believe it, just listen to Metallica’s cover of Last Caress/Green Hell.
@@n.xavierl.6808 who are these fools that think punk wasn't inspired by other music? In describing my first band to people who didn't have a clue about punk we always just told people "buddy holly at twice the speed, add distortion to the guitar".... they probably would have been scared if we actually told them it was ten times the speed!
@@n.xavierl.6808 Punk isn't inspired by other music? Who are these people? You only have to listen to the Sex Pistols early albums to hear gems like 'Johnny B Goode' - they were trying to go back tp the beginnings of rock and roll, just with a bit less skill & a lot more attitude.....
Thank you for this excellent video! A lot of these earlier bands do not get the recognition they deserve - I cringe every time someone says that Green Day or blink-182 "invented" pop-punk.
I would say those people need to educate themselves. IMO, Green and blink revamped/renewed pop punk.
@@pantsnjacket381 You are right people do need to educate themselves, and don't get me wrong - Green Day and blink played an instrumental role in both modernising pop-punk and bringing it to a mainstream audience for the first time. Also, I'd be a liar if I said I didn't like these bands - I love both of them!
However, while they did play a big part in revamping the genre, I do not think they deserve full credit for this - they would not have been able to do so without the influence of NOFX and other contemporary punk bands in the early 90s who effectively created the modern pop-punk formula. That being said, both GD and blink undoubtedly popularised the genre, and it would not have blown up without them, so I am not discrediting their role by any means.
Agreed! Green Day certainly is one of the most influential and major pop punk acts, but there is no way they invented it.
Another great video - truly appreciate these, and how you find the footage to back it up too.
As I've grown I've learned to embrace pop. Having been an indie contrarian in my teens, most of what I listen to now is pop.
Part 2 should really feature the influence of early 90’s skate videos. Around 1990/91, pretty much every track from the classic Operation Ivy album ‘Energy’, was used in a skate video. Green Day were their label mates (Lookout records) and benefitted by association. In 1992, tracks from 39/Smooth and Kerplunk got exposure on a number of videos, including the legendary Plan B ‘Questionable’ video (which also featured Bad Religion, Offspring and Pennywise).
For a couple of years Green Day and the Epitaph bands were classed as ‘skatepunk’, but it was these videos that initially lent them an air of credibility they wouldn’t have got through the mainstream media.
I agree 100%. I remember when those videos came out, and we'd here about someone who got a copy, we'd all rush over to their house to watch it. The skate clips in those vids were indeed legendary, but the music was mainly what we came for.
I like Green Day but I like their underrated songs as well (such as peacemaker). I like their popular songs as well
'Skate punk' was around LONG before the early '90's. Suicidal Tendencies was huge in the skate scene in the early '80's.
@@hydguy Don’t think it was labelled that until later though? Thrasher had the ‘skate rock’ mixtapes in the 80s, but most punk bands were classed as ‘hardcore’ at that time, even stuff like Descendants. Pretty sure the skate industry did not want to label it ‘skate punk’. Suicidal were part of the LA hardcore and skate scene, and their early stuff was definitely a big influence.
@@hydguy that was a different sound tho. Bands like JFA and the faction were just 80s hardcore bands who liked skateboarding. The skate punk of the 90s was started by bad religion with suffer, bands like nofx, lagwagon, pennywise, no use for a name, strung out, good riddance, etc
I'm a hardcore fan and I absolutely agree with him on the legitimacy of Pop-punk being Punk.
Edit: I posted this before I saw the orange county hardcore part; thanks btw
If it hadn't been for Green Day then I would have never found my way back to Minor Threat.
Brilliantly narrated and so well edited.
That was awesome, thanks so much!
I’m looking forward to part 2 already :)
I absolutely love this channel! Seriously my favorite
This video brings back a lot of memories. Having graduated from a high school in Huntington Beach in 1981, "Bloodstains" by Agent Orange and "Amoeba" by The Adolescents were at the top of my playlist. I still have my copy of the 1980 record "Rodney on the Roq" that contains all of those great songs.
You should do a video After Dookie
Jackson The Epic Influence of punk music began to disappear after that
@@1m2a3t4t5 that's when it pretty much went from "Pop Punk" to just straight up "Pop".
Punks finally dead?
This video is brilliant, the amount and depth of your research is respectful. Well done.
Love this channel soooo much. The production is amazing and it’s so interesting.
the minutemen would cover Van Halen and CCR tunes at shows while touring with Black Flag and other hardcore bands.
I was personally delighted by what the ramones loved listening to. They’re all good.
I want to echo many of the other comments and remark, a little late to the party, on how excellent a video this is. Great work!
Can't wait for part two. Excellent material you put up in part one
Please do The Replacements!
Another excellent one! Nice to see love for Adverts and Adolescents. Looking forward to pt 2.
I was in love with Gaye Advert ...They were great
This is my favorite video i have seen in a long time. Very nicely done.
Love your videos. Keep up the great work bud!
I remember in the late '80's, seeing a watered down TSOL-clone band, called the Offspring, warm up for 45-Grave (w/ Don Bolles), and thought, maybe they'll be something, someday!
their self titled album was basically Tsol part 2 ...them like NOFX stuck around long enough to improve their songwriting skills to the max and to benefit from the after Nirvana punk rock craze
Great video. You included important bands that most people either forget about or didn't know about in the first place. And unusual for a "UA-cam" video...I agree with what you're saying. Looking forward to watching part 2. Peace.
Hey i loved the Hold Steady shout out! love the vid BIG UPS!
Cool video. Not many people give Descendents the respect they deserve. I would have also added The Misfits as a major influence. Much like the other bands you described they took earlier musical stylings and adapted them into the punk sound, plus 50's + 60's pop culture stuff like Marilyn Monroe and horror movies. In general though there was a huge trend towards a more melodic sound as hardcore became post-hardcore, became emo, became...whatever. Every region in America had numerous bands transitioning from 1980-1985. The DC bands alone like Dag Nasty, Rites of Spring, and Embrace could be a whole video. In Chicago you had Naked Raygun and Articles of Faith. In NY once Gorilla Biscuits came out every other band was straight edge melodic hardcore. It seemed inevitable that this music was gonna get played one day. It just turned out to be Green Day that got the call.
I'd argue that Rodney on the ROQ had a pretty heavy influence on Southern California's pop-punk.
I am SO GLAD you began with video of the Buzzcocks! I have always felt that they were the main progenitors of the mixture of punk and pop!
Duuuuude, this was a great video. Can't wait for the next episode.
Screeching Weasel defines 90s punk rock
Azzamatic Too Bad Ben Weasel is a garbage person.
To compare the buzzcocks to gen x is kind of absurd, sure they were both doing it at the same time, probably played the same dives and shared the stage. The reason why I believe the Buzzcocks are still more revered is because they were honest, gen x was trying to swing that way but listen to their albums, theyre good...just that. Buzzcocks were masters because they played the honest truth.
awesome video, can't wait for part 2
I have to say, your research and films are spot on. I appreciate your effort.
New subscriber.
I feel The Clash were heavy influencers when it came to pushing punk to it's limits to further the genre from the basic DYI sound it started as, to where it is today, but never gets their due credit. At the time they were even hated on and called "posers"...
London calling put so many influences in one timeless album and mixed so many genres together which I feel was something only punk and rnb music would've allowed at that time
youre totally right. Im a newer Clash fan and I was honestly shocked when I first listened to magnificent seven and lighting strikes, hearing Joe rap was something I never thought I wanted, the first punk band to do it and do it well.
NORMALIZATION OF IGNORANCE u say that as that’s a bad thing!! :3
btw: idk if u ever heard that song by dead kennedys, u know the one 🖕🏼✌🏼
The Clash was a manufactured boy band. They were brought together for the sole purpose of creating a radio friendly "punk" band. They were the NSYNC of punk.
@dread true it's true! even london calling was 2 for the price of 1. ive seen videos and comments about how they use to sneak in fans to their shows for free, and made concert tickets affordable too. seriously, the clash are the real mccoy.
Would love to see more about the oldies inspired side of pop punk, particularly rockabilly acts like The B-52s and The Cramps, which influenced ska, punk, and psychobilly bands of the pop punk future. I went to a lot of punk shows and festivals in the 90s and there tended to be a very strong overlap between ska, psychobilly, and pop punk bands. I went to a festival in California where Reverend Horton Heat, X, Southern Culture on the Skids, and Reel Big Fish played with a grip of pop punk bands. Listen to Hellcat Record's (Brett Gurewitz from Bad Religon and Tim Armstrong from Rancid's record label) Give Em The Boot compilations and you'll understand what I'm talking about -- rockabilly, ska, hardcore, reggae, bebop, pop punk rock is the vibe. Bands like Leftover Crack/Choking Victim, Hepcat, Rancid, The Slackers, Dropkick Murphys.
The silly side of oldie's influence on bands like B-52s, Cramps, Dead Kennedys and Devo (a punk/new wave band that doesn't get credit in influencing pop punk) is also hugely important to the development of the sense of humor of bands like NOFX, Guttermouth, and The Aquabats. Guttermouth has an epic song on Musical Monkey written from the perspective of Fred Schneider of the B-52s; the Aquabats blend silly, humorous ska, punk, and new wave sounds and they name drop Devo in their song "Playdough":
When I was a little man
Playdough came in a little can
I was Star Wars' biggest fan
Now I'm stuck without a plan
GI Joe was an action man
Shaggy drove the mystery van
Devo was my favorite band
Take me back to my happy land
Not to mention Sublime's blend of hardcore, punk, ska, hip hop, funk, soul, reggae (The Clash and The Slits were also heavily inspired by reggae) and folk music, with covers of Bad Religion, multiple Descendents covers, Maytals, Grateful Dead, Peter Tosh, Mudhoney, and X. Pop Punk's infleunces and range of artists and crossover styles is worthy of 3, maybe even 4 videos. Not just 2.
martk fartkerson I really want to find out when Social Distortion ended up like that...in Trouble Boys, the Replacements book, they were a hardcore band that ‘Mats trolled by playing country & rockabilly
Y'know what gets my goat, no one, absolutely no one ever brings up sublimes album 'robbin da hood' which in my ears is the absolute pinnacle of their career with so much influence packed into it. It's just fantastic in sound beginning to end. Ill love 40oz to freedom til the day I die, but I can't say that the self titled album is the greatest when robbin da hood just brings out so much creativity with such heartbreaking lyrics and desperation. No other song breaks my heart like the acoustic of saw red, when Bradley says the line 'someday I'm gonna lose the war...' at the end I genuinely tear up each time because it's true, and he knew it far beforehand.
This wuz perfect!! Great vid!
Cool video, can't wait for part 2
lotsa classic punk bands!
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@@GreenDayProductions green day is the worst
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After watching the The DAMNED documentary "Don't You Wish That We Were Dead" its said by Brian the writer of "New Rose" that song was supposed to be about finding this new love of Punk Rock...but y'know thats his opinion. First World Manifesto is my favorite Screeching Weasel Album
Damn dude, you did good on this.
Good stuff!
Ahh, the Toy Dolls! Still a favourite of mine! Olga's guitar...
I just love those guys!
I loved Green Day the first time I saw them...
...when they were called Stiff Little Fingers
Never been a punk fan but I love music so thanks for the education
What a great video and trip down memory lane
There is so much great information here. And you cover so many interesting bands and their related sub genres. But it all runs together very quickly. It almost seems too much to digest at one time.
I bought Dookie when I was 14, and I fell in love with it.
Nicholas Salmons And I bought “Milo Goes to College” when I was 14. I still have it.
@@recynd77 I bought Fear's The Record when I was 14, and I fell in love with it and still have it.
Dave S Me, too! I actually saw Fear in 1995, at a little venue in Seattle.
My first CD ever was "Blink-182 Enema of the State" when I was like 12. ☺
Blink 182, Green Day, offspring etc. blows and you can’t even call them punk. If you do than you are disrespecting the Sex Pistols, the stooges, and flipper. How can you even compare that garbage?
Where's Scotland's Rezillos? Their album CAN'T STAND THE REZILLOS is a masterpiece.
Yes
I love to hear the history of music. It cool to see/hear how it evolves.
Randomly showed up in my suggestion feed. Subscribed for sure
Awesome video!!!
Though New Rose is about the Punk scene as a whole. It's like damaged goods, about a girl, but not really at all.
In the early 90s, probably around 1993 or 1994, I went to see ALL (formerly The Descendants) at The Masquerade in Atlanta. There was hardly anybody there, but the majority of the small crowd had come to see a little known west coast band that was the opening act. They were called "Green Day".
@a w could have been, could have been 92 possibly. Could have been early 94, this was on the east coast, so they might not have been as well heard of as on the west coast at that point in time. I know Dookie seemed to have broke shortly after. I saw Gwar in 94, and I think GreenDay was mainstream by that point. Hard to say, I was 19 in 94, so things are a bit fuzzy that far back, lol
Awesome content, please keep 'em coming!
Outstanding work! very well done!
Punk became pop like in a 6 months of 1976.
"Hey, ho; let's go" - still one of the greatest lyrics of all time.
DAMN STRAIGHT
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I just love your channel thank you so much 💙
These are awesome. Great job
"Three chords and the truth" - isn't that phrase used to reference Country music? I've never heard it used in the context of Punk.
Its 3 chords and a middle finger for punk. 4 chords and a message is clasic country, lol
I thought it was Bob Dylan
Think dag nasty had a part to play in this period too
Can't wait for part 2!
This is probably my favorite video you have made, Trash. Looking forward to your next installation. I made a Spotify playlist based on this called Buzzcocks + Husker Du + Decendents = Green Day just cause Iiked it so much. Thanks, 'mate.' ( ...yeah we don't say that in the States.)
You need The Replacements in there too
I never picked up on the "bloodstains"/"come out and play" connection. That Offspring song is a real Frankenstein of punk influences! The riff in the chorus is "borrowed" from "panty raid" by nyXhc stalwarts Murphy's Law, and they were none too pleased about it as I recall. As a New Yorker, I hear about that stuff first.
I love Agent Orange, but if they sued the Offspring over that, then Dick Dale should have sued them in return.
And Frankenstein's bride : Self Esteem
All punk rock has some pop in it.
Absolutely, it's a lot more complicated. This art form came from a variety of different sources. Unfortunately, we live in the reality of elitists being dismissive.
I was about to say. The entire first Ramones album has infectious pop melodies that just happened to be blended with loud distorted guitars.
@@joseguerreroneri18 Pop has 4 chords. Most pop only has 3 chords, and in some cases even *2*, so punk is less complex than pop music.
@@skullsouljah2836 Pop alongside with punk, was always there the entire time.
@@joseguerreroneri18 Jose, you make sense!
Amazing analysis of a side of the scene almost no one talks about, except to bash. This thing could be a friggin Master's thesis. Great job.
I remember seeing some of these bands in bars and clubs in the early 80s... the Descendents, Adolescents, and of course, The Ramones. Many times on the last one!
I would consider The Clash's Train In Vain to be an example. there was some people who hated the pop punk vibe at the time..
The Clash were more than Punk they did every genre.
1 2 crush on ,a b-side,you is pure punk pop too.
The CLASH did so many types of music ... SANDINISTA is sure a bunch of wild amazing examples
Closest thing to "Pop-Punk" in the '80's, were Lomita locals, the Descendants...until Milo went off to College!
Holy crap this is a good analysis. I learned so much.
i thought this wouldn't work because it's so ambitious with SO much content but it totally works/makes sense. i learned things!!!
The way he pronuonced david bowie truly hurt inside
@@willjones4992 Not all. It does seem to be about 50/50 though.
That's how the last name is actually pronounced. He named himself after Travis Bowie, and that's how it's pronounced. You know like, Bowie knife. I'm American but only know that cause I grew up in Texas.
Yeah, it’s actually pronounced zyhayvid.
It’s funny that so many idiots think “Boe-ee” is the way it was pronounced and cringe at “b-owie.” I lived in England for a few years and only ever heard it pronounced the way the commentator said it.
DCI John Luther says it the one and only correct way, Bo-eee. Not bow-eee
I'm on Smoko, so leave me alone.
wow. these are really good, dude.
Stoked to see OC Hardcore getting some love. Our legacy is usually pretty understated