GPD's market share in handheld PC is getting smaller due to the rise of Steamdeck and major manufacturers' effort like ROG Ally or Legion Go so they decided to create this insanity. This might be a niche device but I love when manufacturers just have all the resources to create the most insane design PC that actually worked
I'd much rather have my Win Max 2 over a Steam Deck. The Steam Deck and its imitators are compromised to the point of making no sense. I will never understand the appeal vs. the WM2.
The steamdeck is an impressive piece of hardware at a very attractive price, but it comes with a lot of drawbacks. It's not really portable unless you put it in a dedicated case to protect the screen and sticks, so it enables you to play games lying on the couch instead of sitting at your desk but that's not really a game changer. The various imitators from rog and lenovo and such have all the same drawbacks, but with a heftier price tag and less comfortable control layout, so I don't get the point. Something like the GPD Mini fills a niche nobody else does, a full computer that will *literally* fit in your pocket, and it's even lighter than any of the other handheld PCs. But I do definitely like seeing GPD branch out into machines for engineers and designers and such in addition to just gaming. It seems like almost nobody who makes computers gets creative with it these days; they make a laptop that looks exactly like it did ten years ago, and the media treats a 14-inch screen instead of 13 or 15 like it's a revolutionary thing. GPD engineers are making things nobody else is making, and it's a gamble to be sure but it also means they have almost no competition for their (very limited) target market.
Those are gaming handhelds first, this is a productivity monster on the go. I do see this as a must have for digital nomads, who also does play to time in an all-in-one package.
@@nickthaskater ambidextrous thats all you need to know about steamdeck... and thats one of the reasons to their success, because 10% of people instantly have no other option, GPD dont even bother about left-handed people
I know, I am way behind. You'll have a very compressive review on the GPD DUO in about a week or so. I'll be comparing 780m and 890m (and I also hope to be undervolting in the review as well. Just a ton to cover really)
Personally for me, I would love a full sized 16" version - imagine dual 4k OLED screens (there is a 4k 90Hz 16.3" OLED out). That version could be a full workstation that you could take on the go (it would be as thick as a gaming laptop or workstation) with 2 screens. A larger form factor would allow for other things such as better speakers.
As someone who's been rocking the GPD WIN 4 8840U, I thought I had seen it all. But the GPD Duo? This thing makes my WIN 4 look like a toy! I mean, dual OLED screens, a 4090 running through oculink, and PCIe slots for days? It's like someone at GPD said, "What if we took a desktop workstation, crammed it into a laptop, and gave it features no sane person would ever need?" And I *love* it. The WIN 4 was already pushing the boundaries, but the Duo takes it to an entirely different universe. I used to think having a pocket powerhouse was enough, but now I’m looking at this insane, dual-screen, battery-conserving monster, and my WIN 4 feels like a warm-up lap. If you’re the kind of person who loves tech overload-and I mean *loves* it-this is the machine for you. It’s not just a laptop; it’s the tech lover’s dream come to life.
i just received my duo and so far linux i don't think is going to be a great experience which is a big let down for me. The screen seems to be oriented upside down in its default orientation i'm basing this on the fact booting ventoy and memtest86 is displaying upside down. I'm also noticing that the trackpad does not work in memtest86 as well as the function buttons like display brightness and turning on and off the extra display. This seems to indicate that there is drivers needed to speak to whatever is controlling these functions vs just being purely hardware.
It has multiple full length m.2 slots, so dual-booting should be easier than on most laptops, but I do worry about how smoothly the dual-screen controls will work...
i just received my duo and so far linux i don't think is going to be a great experience which is a big let down for me. The screen seems to be oriented upside down in its default orientation i'm basing this on the fact booting ventoy and memtest86 is displaying upside down. I'm also noticing that the trackpad does not work in memtest86 as well as the function buttons like display brightness and turning on and off the extra display. This seems to indicate that there is drivers needed to speak to whatever is controlling these functions vs just being purely hardware.
I'm seriously considering this. I have the GPD Win Max 2 7840U and I could really use the extra performance for software development. Also, I've been having frequent crashes with my 4090 connected via occulink, hopefully this one will be more stable.
Looks great, but they need to at least publish API documentation for the displays state changes (e.g. to tablet mode) so someone else can write a Linux driver. I'm 100% the target market for this, but without Linux support it's a hard pass.
He just needs to dual boot LMDE or Debian or Fedora on an external ssd & dual boot to check, should be OK probably 80% for multi screen, worried about other hardware drivers though
Thank you very much for this review, I like a lot this device. But the possible screen wobbling is a very important aspect for me. I would have liked to see some typing action to see if the screens react to it.
Amazing to see how well the Duo performs as a desktop replacement with OcuLink eGPU. This is how I will use mine 85% of the time. Look forward to the full review.
I've never seen you this excited. This seems like the perfect geek laptop. I've been excited about it myself since it was first announced, but I decided not to buy it. If only it were lighter, I'd have been tempted. I want a small and light laptop, not a desktop replacement.
Very much looking forward to full testing on this monster. It would be nice to see a few little details like a 180 degree hinge, high/variable refresh rate on the screens, full size arrow keys, haptic touchpad, etc... but at a glance this looks like pretty much everything I could want in a computer with very few and minor tradeoffs. Buuuut I definitely need to see enough units out in the wild to get a better idea of quality control standards before I commit to anything.
@5:25 Oh wow it can be Undervolted, now THAT is awesome. Really hope future Strix Point based handhelds will be able to Undervolt, that will give them the definitive winning edge over Lunar Lake based handhelds. Otherwise this generation is looking more competetive than we thought (minus all the Intel igpu driver issues which puts it a peg or two below Amd igpu by default).
Dear Phawx (and/or anyone else!), I need your wisdom! I recently bought the GPD WIN MAX 2 with the HX 370, 64gb, and 4TB. I also bought an RTX 4090 Founder's Edition and connected it to the Minisforum DEG1 with a CORSAIR SFX 1000 platinum PSU. For whatever reason, I am getting low GPU utilization (30-50%) and much much lower fps than what I should be getting, I assume even accounting possible CPU bottleneck and Oculink loss. CPU utilization is low (20%), with one or two cores occasionally reaching about 70%. I cannot reach 60 fps almost at all in Elden Ring at 3440x1440p maximum settings... But I also tried lowering every setting down to bare minimum and performance does not change at all. When I first installed the GPU, I swear I could get 144fps on Metaphor Refantazio at max settings and was reaching 95% GPU utilization, but now that is also in the 70-80fps range with 40-50% usage. I look at your video and other oculink RTX 4090 videos and I see, with similar CPU specs, max GPU usage. I reinstalled drivers, but no change. What is going on? I need someone's help please! Thank you kindly!!!
I'm getting a Ryzen HX 370 laptop in the near future. Currently, waiting for Framework 16 to support it. Will definitely be considering this ridiculous machine, as it's definitely piquing my interest.
I am glad they went with the Ryzen 5 and not Lunar Lake for this laptop. The HX370 seems to be a very flexible chip, great for low power workloads and very powerful as a workstation.
I love this! THOUGH I'd love to see more of the built in GPU and what the laptop on its own can do(and if I should consider purchasing it) rather than adding the expensive 4090 on top!
thats not too much. I've been doing that sort of configuration when working remotely outside of my home office. just get a portable 15" lcd monitor and place that on your keyboard, then attach an external keyboard. You will need a good laptop cooler/stand. Bulkier but cheaper and definitely works for me if I am not on my home work station.
pls include performance without obs / encoding as well! im in particular super curious about how much better this is for windows smoothness like moving chrome tabs around across monitors, premiere pro and games in 4k (like gta online) when connected to a 4090 compared to the same setup with the wm2
very passionate review, what I want is a framework style 16-18 incher with a bunch of nvme slots and slots for use expansion, also I want it to use 18650 cells so it can be upgraded over time, I dont care about size or weight much. also the top screen being eink would be better for a workstation.
@@tnt_champ1002 Well yeah, at higher loads you'll obviously be saturating the Oculink bandwidth. In my testing, mid-range to upper-mid range cards perform best under Oculink. The performance loss isn't that noticeable. But using something beyond a 4070 is just gonna give you diminishing returns on x4 4.0 lanes.
Wow! The BIOS is amazing. 8000 MT/s? Disable 5c cores? PBO? This is mini PC levels of tinkering on a laptop. Honestly a great system to test HX370 as is, having control of most variables.
I would definitely get one if I hadn't already got a 1st gen Lenovo Yoga book 9i. The YB9i is seriously underpowered compared to this but I guess I don't really 'need' the extra power. The gaming prowess can be made up for with my GPD G1 portable eGPU. Cheers for the early view.
Ohhh, what do we have here, im pretty interested in a setup like that. One thing i don't like is 60hz, but honestly speaking, if you are running on the igpu, most likely you won't be able to push triple A games passed that if played at 1080p or above. What I do love is the fact that you can connect external devices to the screen. I remember my friend had a gaming laptop with said feature and we used to play PS3 or any hdmi capable device, it was an awesome experience.
For gaming without plugging it into a full desktop setup, yeah you're unlikely to need more then 60Hz and it saves some battery life. But if you actually folded it into the world's thickest tablet, I don't like how the screen response lags behind the movement of a finger or pen on 60hz touchscreens. There's a reason every modern smartphone is at least 90, usually 120Hz.
@sindrisuncatcher653 indeed, but this is the first one for them, and as you know, companies are not willing to give you everything so that they can "keep giving customers" something new for their next one. I would've loved at least 120hz on a nice 1440p oled screen that can hit at least 1,000 nits.
let me get this again. The second display can act as own separate display for any other PC/tablet/whatever? the connection is USB-C and you get touch input? this makes me want one of these.
So many bells and whistles aside, the brave little CPU dealing with Oculink, CPU-hungry desktop 4090 and video encoding at the same time with a decent 4K gaming experience is pretty insane. Please compare Strix Point+Ocu4090 against desktop CPU performance if you please!
@@nickthaskater it's comparable to the R7 7700X/7745HX in benchmarks and even then, the L3 cache is reduced in both the Z5 and Z5C cores compared to desktop Zen so it's easier to bottleneck when multitasking with a desktop 4090. It's a small CPU.
Have you tried any AMD cards with oculink on an HX 370 device? GPD says there's a known issue with the GPD G1 and the HX 370 WM2 and I can't get my 7900XTX in the One Dock v2 to show up at all.
How does this balance on a desk,if the screens aren't straight up? It doesn't look like there's a way to reach a comfortable angle without it falling back.
If your gpd product arrive with issues or develop issue within the warranty period, do you have to pay for shipping back to china from your own pocket for the RMA?
It's hard finding what the price these sell for sale, he only suggestion I have, they should do this LPcamm2 Graham for upgradability, thinner and faster than soldered ram at 9600
Which model of oculink dock did you use ? BTW given GPD's history with their previous laptops, it baffles me that despite all these BIOS features they could take the time to test and include in the Duo, and despite that an indiegogo campaign allows them to plan in advance the exact amount of sold units that should be built, they surely won't give any option to replace the qwerty keyboard by an azerty one.
That's incredibly impressive. But if GPD didn't upgrade their pen tech from the capacitive touch screen, we don't expect much on that front. We won't need any tests if that's the case. And yes digital artists will always be asking you gamers and PC nerds about this stuff!
What pen protocol does it use?, when do we get prices?, Usually I dont like at these brands but honestly no company is making these form factors with up to date specs
Call me crazy but this actually seems like a pretty good deal? The Dell XP13 9340 I just got at my new job costs 400€ more with a 13" 1080P IPS, absolutely no ports....and the worst keyboard I've used on a laptop so far. ...Although I'd be missing the really sweet glass handrest with the trackpad, thats the only _great_ thing about this machine, and I wish everyone had it.
Your enthusiasm is infectious. I don't need this, but there's realistically no longer any hope of my not buying this when its IGG campaign launches. I can hear my wife already: "Another device?!?" Thanks, Phawx.
If this thing had 120hz displays it would be damn near perfect. Honestly this with 120hz LTPO displays and Lunar Lake would be the dream machine for anything on the go.
@@fooboomoo lunar lake is obviously more efficient, however it wouldn't be able to support the OcuLink eGPU provided in this laptop and more (2.5gbps lan port, 32gb also max) the AI 370 chip is the best available right now for the features this laptop has
@@fooboomoo Faster and more efficient at higher power sure but something like this with Lunar Lake could get plenty of work done and have way better battery life than any Strix based machine.
It seems good but real case scenario is not suitable for most people. For portable, it is too heavy. If you mostly put it on a desk, you can easily find a second monitor or many other devices to improve using experience. The price is too high, compare to other light weight/gaming laptop the price/performance ratio is low. Touch screen is nice but it is not a deal breaker, otherwise windows surface sales will not been unsatisfactory. Nowadays an all round but high price product is only good on paper.
@@barneyfromblueshift They've stood by their recent offerings very well. The Win Max 2 has been around for more than 2 years and has seen 3 revisions and ongoing software/BIOS support. It's also not anything close to what I'd consider "expensive" for what you get.
@@barneyfromblueshift "sunsetting" implies that they're no longer supported. All of the WM2 revisions are actively supported. Updating the chipset of models is commonplace in PCs. Literally every manufacturer does it.
I had a home made version of this for a while, and for spreadsheets it actually was really good. Issue is price - old Thinkpad and secondary monitor, might scratch $300. This I'm thinking $3000.
GPD's market share in handheld PC is getting smaller due to the rise of Steamdeck and major manufacturers' effort like ROG Ally or Legion Go so they decided to create this insanity. This might be a niche device but I love when manufacturers just have all the resources to create the most insane design PC that actually worked
The GPD Duo is *literally* too much fun haha
I'd much rather have my Win Max 2 over a Steam Deck. The Steam Deck and its imitators are compromised to the point of making no sense. I will never understand the appeal vs. the WM2.
The steamdeck is an impressive piece of hardware at a very attractive price, but it comes with a lot of drawbacks. It's not really portable unless you put it in a dedicated case to protect the screen and sticks, so it enables you to play games lying on the couch instead of sitting at your desk but that's not really a game changer. The various imitators from rog and lenovo and such have all the same drawbacks, but with a heftier price tag and less comfortable control layout, so I don't get the point.
Something like the GPD Mini fills a niche nobody else does, a full computer that will *literally* fit in your pocket, and it's even lighter than any of the other handheld PCs.
But I do definitely like seeing GPD branch out into machines for engineers and designers and such in addition to just gaming. It seems like almost nobody who makes computers gets creative with it these days; they make a laptop that looks exactly like it did ten years ago, and the media treats a 14-inch screen instead of 13 or 15 like it's a revolutionary thing. GPD engineers are making things nobody else is making, and it's a gamble to be sure but it also means they have almost no competition for their (very limited) target market.
Those are gaming handhelds first, this is a productivity monster on the go. I do see this as a must have for digital nomads, who also does play to time in an all-in-one package.
@@nickthaskater ambidextrous thats all you need to know about steamdeck... and thats one of the reasons to their success, because 10% of people instantly have no other option, GPD dont even bother about left-handed people
Bro, we are waiting for 780M vs 890M ❤
Not just that, also Lunar Lake vs 890m in more games and benchmarks
@@genio8820 lunar lake is not likely to be in handhelds tbh, only in MSI
With some 15w, 25w, and 30w for future handheld speculation.
We love this guy, because he is a most technical reviewer of igpu, especially for handhelds
I know, I am way behind. You'll have a very compressive review on the GPD DUO in about a week or so. I'll be comparing 780m and 890m (and I also hope to be undervolting in the review as well. Just a ton to cover really)
YOU GOT ONE!!! I've been dying to try this out since it was announced.
I love how excited you are here. This is why I love tech. It's so cool to experience something fully loaded and different like this.
Personally for me, I would love a full sized 16" version - imagine dual 4k OLED screens (there is a 4k 90Hz 16.3" OLED out). That version could be a full workstation that you could take on the go (it would be as thick as a gaming laptop or workstation) with 2 screens. A larger form factor would allow for other things such as better speakers.
That would be an instant buy from me, even if the battery is like 2 hours but I can get over that
As someone who's been rocking the GPD WIN 4 8840U, I thought I had seen it all. But the GPD Duo? This thing makes my WIN 4 look like a toy! I mean, dual OLED screens, a 4090 running through oculink, and PCIe slots for days? It's like someone at GPD said, "What if we took a desktop workstation, crammed it into a laptop, and gave it features no sane person would ever need?" And I *love* it.
The WIN 4 was already pushing the boundaries, but the Duo takes it to an entirely different universe. I used to think having a pocket powerhouse was enough, but now I’m looking at this insane, dual-screen, battery-conserving monster, and my WIN 4 feels like a warm-up lap. If you’re the kind of person who loves tech overload-and I mean *loves* it-this is the machine for you. It’s not just a laptop; it’s the tech lover’s dream come to life.
i am thinking win 4 with dual screen like gpd duo 🤔🤔🤔
@@yunn4tn omg that would be amazing! I just finished the entire wukong game on my WIN 4 😁
This is what laptops should be.
Need some testing on running Linux. Specifically Ubuntu. I'm interested in this as my dev laptop in addition to occasional gaming machine.
i just received my duo and so far linux i don't think is going to be a great experience which is a big let down for me. The screen seems to be oriented upside down in its default orientation i'm basing this on the fact booting ventoy and memtest86 is displaying upside down. I'm also noticing that the trackpad does not work in memtest86 as well as the function buttons like display brightness and turning on and off the extra display. This seems to indicate that there is drivers needed to speak to whatever is controlling these functions vs just being purely hardware.
Please test Linux on this machine! I need to know before indiegogo starts.
It has multiple full length m.2 slots, so dual-booting should be easier than on most laptops, but I do worry about how smoothly the dual-screen controls will work...
Yes please please please test linux on this
He's right, to see Hardware drivers working fine & dandy & stable on LMDE, Debian, Fedora, endeavourOS/Arch + multi screen use
i just received my duo and so far linux i don't think is going to be a great experience which is a big let down for me. The screen seems to be oriented upside down in its default orientation i'm basing this on the fact booting ventoy and memtest86 is displaying upside down. I'm also noticing that the trackpad does not work in memtest86 as well as the function buttons like display brightness and turning on and off the extra display. This seems to indicate that there is drivers needed to speak to whatever is controlling these functions vs just being purely hardware.
Might not be the same as a native experience, but considering the ram and multi-core performance you could always run Linux using WSL or Hyper-V
I'm seriously considering this. I have the GPD Win Max 2 7840U and I could really use the extra performance for software development. Also, I've been having frequent crashes with my 4090 connected via occulink, hopefully this one will be more stable.
Love the nerding out, as always!
This is the first mobile cpu that I’ve seen that can fully utilize a 4090 over oculink. Pretty impressive cpu
I have a GPD Win Max 2 2024 8840U with an RTX 4090 that is working flawlessly
@@adamvondory1357 Would you mind sharing what oculink/pcie dock, and what power supply you are using?
@@WickedFader I'm uing the Minisforum DEG1 eGPU Dock with the Corsair SF1000 ATX 3.1. This combination works without any issues. I'm using it everyday
I wondered if I was the only person geeking out over this. Glad to see I'm not alone.
some gaming on the IGPU would be good to see.
Looks great, but they need to at least publish API documentation for the displays state changes (e.g. to tablet mode) so someone else can write a Linux driver. I'm 100% the target market for this, but without Linux support it's a hard pass.
Convertibles are already supported by lots of DEs, it's nothing too special.
Will probably work out of the box I can imagine
He just needs to dual boot LMDE or Debian or Fedora on an external ssd & dual boot to check, should be OK probably 80% for multi screen, worried about other hardware drivers though
Thank you very much for this review, I like a lot this device. But the possible screen wobbling is a very important aspect for me. I would have liked to see some typing action to see if the screens react to it.
Amazing to see how well the Duo performs as a desktop replacement with OcuLink eGPU. This is how I will use mine 85% of the time. Look forward to the full review.
Always love @Phawxs enthusiasm with new tech . Looks like a fun piece of kit !!
GPD: Please give us WinMax 2 owners the ability to limit battery to 80%! Thanks.
It’s nice to see different stuff. GPD is amazing.
I've never seen you this excited. This seems like the perfect geek laptop. I've been excited about it myself since it was first announced, but I decided not to buy it. If only it were lighter, I'd have been tempted. I want a small and light laptop, not a desktop replacement.
Very much looking forward to full testing on this monster.
It would be nice to see a few little details like a 180 degree hinge, high/variable refresh rate on the screens, full size arrow keys, haptic touchpad, etc... but at a glance this looks like pretty much everything I could want in a computer with very few and minor tradeoffs.
Buuuut I definitely need to see enough units out in the wild to get a better idea of quality control standards before I commit to anything.
@5:25 Oh wow it can be Undervolted, now THAT is awesome. Really hope future Strix Point based handhelds will be able to Undervolt, that will give them the definitive winning edge over Lunar Lake based handhelds. Otherwise this generation is looking more competetive than we thought (minus all the Intel igpu driver issues which puts it a peg or two below Amd igpu by default).
Dear Phawx (and/or anyone else!), I need your wisdom! I recently bought the GPD WIN MAX 2 with the HX 370, 64gb, and 4TB. I also bought an RTX 4090 Founder's Edition and connected it to the Minisforum DEG1 with a CORSAIR SFX 1000 platinum PSU. For whatever reason, I am getting low GPU utilization (30-50%) and much much lower fps than what I should be getting, I assume even accounting possible CPU bottleneck and Oculink loss. CPU utilization is low (20%), with one or two cores occasionally reaching about 70%. I cannot reach 60 fps almost at all in Elden Ring at 3440x1440p maximum settings... But I also tried lowering every setting down to bare minimum and performance does not change at all. When I first installed the GPU, I swear I could get 144fps on Metaphor Refantazio at max settings and was reaching 95% GPU utilization, but now that is also in the 70-80fps range with 40-50% usage. I look at your video and other oculink RTX 4090 videos and I see, with similar CPU specs, max GPU usage. I reinstalled drivers, but no change. What is going on? I need someone's help please! Thank you kindly!!!
I don’t think I’ve ever seen the Phawx this giddy
I'm getting a Ryzen HX 370 laptop in the near future. Currently, waiting for Framework 16 to support it. Will definitely be considering this ridiculous machine, as it's definitely piquing my interest.
I am glad they went with the Ryzen 5 and not Lunar Lake for this laptop. The HX370 seems to be a very flexible chip, great for low power workloads and very powerful as a workstation.
I never really knew that this device is something that I needed, thank you awesome video
cant wait for the full review on this cool device
This thing looks really cool! Im sure it will cost about 2000 dollars or more but the potential use cases of it seems worth it
Waiting for the 990m and 120hz screen… next year. This laptop looks killer.
I love this!
THOUGH I'd love to see more of the built in GPU and what the laptop on its own can do(and if I should consider purchasing it) rather than adding the expensive 4090 on top!
I wish GPD made a pocket pda/phone with qwerty keyboard
or a gamepad like xperia play, that would be fucking nuts
Could get a pinephone pro w/ the keyboard case
How big is your pocket? GPD Win4 could fit in mine if I took it out of its grips (and you could spec it with a 5G modem and SIM).
The Win Mini is pretty close to that, unless you mean an actual phone like the Planet Computers Communicator.
What an amazing laptop. GPD is truly innovative.
Would love this if I didn't already have an ally and fold6 KVM combo. Hope this series sticks in the future when my ally gets outdated
can we limit the battery on the gpd win mini through the BIOS as well?
linux video pls with undervolt and power optimezed settings, need to know the battery life of the device
waited for this video for ages!!!!!
I did not realize the 4090 was 2x as fast as my 4070. Nutty
I've been wanting to build a top display for my laptop for a while now! The ergonomics of that thing have got to be awesome
you can test it now by using a portable lcd screen.
@@kafredo mounting is tough but thats the plan
Waiting on the next ASUS Duo. The last one was decent but underpowered (power/thermallly constrained). Hopefully the new CPU generation helps
thats not too much. I've been doing that sort of configuration when working remotely outside of my home office. just get a portable 15" lcd monitor and place that on your keyboard, then attach an external keyboard. You will need a good laptop cooler/stand. Bulkier but cheaper and definitely works for me if I am not on my home work station.
That BIOS is just amazing!
This is exciting!
I want a duel monitor mod like that for my Framework 16!
pls include performance without obs / encoding as well! im in particular super curious about how much better this is for windows smoothness like moving chrome tabs around across monitors, premiere pro and games in 4k (like gta online) when connected to a 4090 compared to the same setup with the wm2
very passionate review, what I want is a framework style 16-18 incher with a bunch of nvme slots and slots for use expansion, also I want it to use 18650 cells so it can be upgraded over time, I dont care about size or weight much. also the top screen being eink would be better for a workstation.
What is the performence loss of using the 4090 though Oculink compared to regular desktop 4090?
Lol huge.
The best you can hope for is 4070-ish performance from Oculink in general.
@@OC.TINYYY even at 4k?
@@tnt_champ1002
Well yeah, at higher loads you'll obviously be saturating the Oculink bandwidth.
In my testing, mid-range to upper-mid range cards perform best under Oculink. The performance loss isn't that noticeable. But using something beyond a 4070 is just gonna give you diminishing returns on x4 4.0 lanes.
I recommend that you watch Try Some Tech's video about oculink performance loss. He tested 4090 specifically and saw around 10% loss on average
Wow! The BIOS is amazing. 8000 MT/s? Disable 5c cores? PBO? This is mini PC levels of tinkering on a laptop. Honestly a great system to test HX370 as is, having control of most variables.
Gpd are my favorite company, wish they had a UK store
Doesn't Droix operate out of London?
@@sindrisuncatcher653 ah yes and they have it for pre-order too.
my only concern with this - will it be too heavy
This is legitimately so friggin cool
Hey Phawx! Thanks for the quick impressions video! When will the proper review of the Duo be released?
I would definitely get one if I hadn't already got a 1st gen Lenovo Yoga book 9i. The YB9i is seriously underpowered compared to this but I guess I don't really 'need' the extra power. The gaming prowess can be made up for with my GPD G1 portable eGPU. Cheers for the early view.
Waiting for that review!!!
Ohhh, what do we have here, im pretty interested in a setup like that. One thing i don't like is 60hz, but honestly speaking, if you are running on the igpu, most likely you won't be able to push triple A games passed that if played at 1080p or above. What I do love is the fact that you can connect external devices to the screen. I remember my friend had a gaming laptop with said feature and we used to play PS3 or any hdmi capable device, it was an awesome experience.
For gaming without plugging it into a full desktop setup, yeah you're unlikely to need more then 60Hz and it saves some battery life. But if you actually folded it into the world's thickest tablet, I don't like how the screen response lags behind the movement of a finger or pen on 60hz touchscreens. There's a reason every modern smartphone is at least 90, usually 120Hz.
@sindrisuncatcher653 indeed, but this is the first one for them, and as you know, companies are not willing to give you everything so that they can "keep giving customers" something new for their next one. I would've loved at least 120hz on a nice 1440p oled screen that can hit at least 1,000 nits.
GPD are doing some crazy stuff, love my winmax
Looks amazing, but how about freesync screen? That's the main feature we require!
how could I miss this video❤
Looking forward to the Strix Halo Win Max version 🎉
Hi Phawx! Interesting stuffs...
How does the size of this compare to the Minisforum V3? If the screen was 3:2 aspect ratio, it would cronies be my next devoice.
The video has dropped!!1 🙌
Thanks for showing the camera. Trying to see if this works well for Zoom. What height is the camera at with 2 screens open?
let me get this again. The second display can act as own separate display for any other PC/tablet/whatever? the connection is USB-C and you get touch input?
this makes me want one of these.
So many bells and whistles aside, the brave little CPU dealing with Oculink, CPU-hungry desktop 4090 and video encoding at the same time with a decent 4K gaming experience is pretty insane. Please compare Strix Point+Ocu4090 against desktop CPU performance if you please!
"Little CPU"? It's a 24-thread Ryzen 9, lol.
@@nickthaskater it's comparable to the R7 7700X/7745HX in benchmarks and even then, the L3 cache is reduced in both the Z5 and Z5C cores compared to desktop Zen so it's easier to bottleneck when multitasking with a desktop 4090. It's a small CPU.
For a second there I thought I heard you say "the hawk tuah version" @2:04
Waiting for the Uno version 😂. That would absolutely rock.
lol haha. Yea somethings in the pipeline
Dang. This actually seems better than Lenovo and Asus' dual monitor models.
Have you tried any AMD cards with oculink on an HX 370 device?
GPD says there's a known issue with the GPD G1 and the HX 370 WM2 and I can't get my 7900XTX in the One Dock v2 to show up at all.
I'm curious how this will stack up against the similar 2024 Asus Zenbook Duo with its detachable keyboard/trackpad.
How does this balance on a desk,if the screens aren't straight up? It doesn't look like there's a way to reach a comfortable angle without it falling back.
waiting for the full review of this monster
The Devs dream laptop 😍
any devs see this gonna make them buy this too😂
If your gpd product arrive with issues or develop issue within the warranty period, do you have to pay for shipping back to china from your own pocket for the RMA?
Can you use the top display as a monitor with the laptop itself being off?
I never understood why notebooks don't allow for video-in so that you could hook up a Steam Deck and dipslay it on the larger screen.
You video is so good made
Hope someday will come gpd win mini on snapdragon with full day battery
finally a laptop for composing
I'm still holding out for the GPD Pocket 4
I was gunna wait for the win max 3 but this is insane
It's hard finding what the price these sell for sale, he only suggestion I have, they should do this LPcamm2 Graham for upgradability, thinner and faster than soldered ram at 9600
I foresee issues with the hinges in half a year to a year
Which model of oculink dock did you use ?
BTW given GPD's history with their previous laptops, it baffles me that despite all these BIOS features they could take the time to test and include in the Duo, and despite that an indiegogo campaign allows them to plan in advance the exact amount of sold units that should be built, they surely won't give any option to replace the qwerty keyboard by an azerty one.
The oculink egpu solution I've been using is the osmeta one from China. Been using it for a year. It's been a champ
That's incredibly impressive. But if GPD didn't upgrade their pen tech from the capacitive touch screen, we don't expect much on that front. We won't need any tests if that's the case.
And yes digital artists will always be asking you gamers and PC nerds about this stuff!
GPD just brought the boy out in The Phawx! 🤣
The Duo really is too much fun haha
@ThePhawx I have the Asus Zenbook Duo 2024. I'd love to see a comparison. Not easy to get hold of both I guess!
@@ThePhawx It sure looks it. I just wish it was dual 14" 120hz displays then I'd sell my Asus Zenbook Duo 2024 lol!
Sorry to miss it but How you connect to 4090?
Such a memeable review. Oled goodness basking on my face😂😂
What pen protocol does it use?, when do we get prices?, Usually I dont like at these brands but honestly no company is making these form factors with up to date specs
The same protocol as the surface pro, you can use the same pens. Preorder, price & and shipment dates are up NOW on GPD store.
@@UTsquid which surface pro, is it MPP 2.0 or 2.6 that's my specific question, thanks in advance.
can you try to do any Hip rendering with blender? what's the performance?
Call me crazy but this actually seems like a pretty good deal?
The Dell XP13 9340 I just got at my new job costs 400€ more with a 13" 1080P IPS, absolutely no ports....and the worst keyboard I've used on a laptop so far.
...Although I'd be missing the really sweet glass handrest with the trackpad, thats the only _great_ thing about this machine, and I wish everyone had it.
how many screens do you need?
This.
OneXPlayer would snap a telescopic controller on that thing and call it a handheld.
Your enthusiasm is infectious.
I don't need this, but there's realistically no longer any hope of my not buying this when its IGG campaign launches.
I can hear my wife already: "Another device?!?"
Thanks, Phawx.
XD Understandable
How loud are the fans? I have the Win Max 2 (6800u) and the fans are pretty loud under any load. Also any word on Linux support for the second screen?
I regret buying the WM2 now 😂😭 (literally got mine 2.5 weeks ago).
I would love this thing for character design and animation.
But the price +~50%?
WM2 is 3" smaller and has an integrated gamepad. Totally different products.
@@nickthaskater yeah, but I’ve mostly been using mine for work; The gaming aspect is secondary, but nice to have.
Ya’ll are right. I’m happy with my purchase.
Do you do any Linux review gaming on Gpd?
i am super late but is this better than the asus dual screen?
If this thing had 120hz displays it would be damn near perfect. Honestly this with 120hz LTPO displays and Lunar Lake would be the dream machine for anything on the go.
do not forget 60 Hz oled looks better than my 100 Hz VA in motion (trust me I use them side by side right now daily)
Without Adaptive sync, still bad..
Why Lunar Lake? Strix Point is faster and more efficient
@@fooboomoo lunar lake is obviously more efficient, however it wouldn't be able to support the OcuLink eGPU provided in this laptop and more (2.5gbps lan port, 32gb also max) the AI 370 chip is the best available right now for the features this laptop has
@@fooboomoo Faster and more efficient at higher power sure but something like this with Lunar Lake could get plenty of work done and have way better battery life than any Strix based machine.
can you connect the nintendo switch over the usb-c in the AMOLED2 screen or dock/HDMI only?
I believe you can, but will explicitly test it
It seems good but real case scenario is not suitable for most people. For portable, it is too heavy. If you mostly put it on a desk, you can easily find a second monitor or many other devices to improve using experience. The price is too high, compare to other light weight/gaming laptop the price/performance ratio is low. Touch screen is nice but it is not a deal breaker, otherwise windows surface sales will not been unsatisfactory. Nowadays an all round but high price product is only good on paper.
This is the GPD story all day long.
Weird, cool, super expensive mashups of ideas that get sunset within 2 years.
@@barneyfromblueshift They've stood by their recent offerings very well. The Win Max 2 has been around for more than 2 years and has seen 3 revisions and ongoing software/BIOS support. It's also not anything close to what I'd consider "expensive" for what you get.
@@nickthaskater 3 revisions in 2 years is exactly the kind of thing I mean.
@@barneyfromblueshift "sunsetting" implies that they're no longer supported. All of the WM2 revisions are actively supported.
Updating the chipset of models is commonplace in PCs. Literally every manufacturer does it.
I had a home made version of this for a while, and for spreadsheets it actually was really good. Issue is price - old Thinkpad and secondary monitor, might scratch $300. This I'm thinking $3000.
GPD is breaking away from the competition