Saw this when they announced it and drooled, but having to have the cable exit at least 70 mm from the derailleur was a killer because of the bikes I'm looking at getting. So much so that I was reserving myself to just go with a 2X setup. That addition of the cable converter is HUGE!!!!!! Now I have a lot more faith about rocking a 12-speed Mech Mullet on my next rig. Great run through, as always!
Fantastic vid! This the only review I’ve found of Ratio’s mod. Good to know it feels OEM. Its way cheaper than AXS, no batteries to deal with and lighter too.
Great video. Love the conversion and the tinkering. I hate being a smart ass but you might want to look up the definition of OEM. Keep up the great work
Not sure how I missed this... will be building a new bike (Mason InSearchOff) when I get it in a couple months was not ready to go wireless/batteries for bike packing so I bought a set of Apex 1 11 speed levers and calipers for $275 (new no box) Figured I would just go with a small 34t front chain ring and the max 42t rear and hope for the best. This conversion seems perfect, I even already have the GX rear mech and chain off my flat bar Im replacing with the Mason.
I purchased the Ratio Kit for my Diverge, has SRAM Rival shifters and derrailleur. Installed ratchet, cage and 12 speed Garburuk 10 - 52T. Despite several emails to Ratio, my set up never shifted well, especially on the 3 smallest cogs. I changed my derrailleur to GX (using the road derrailleur cable fin), it shifted better, but still unacceptable. Be careful, Ratio kit may not work for you. They were great at answering emails, but ended up upgrading to AXS GX set up. I wish I would've done it from the beginning.
Will it work with 11 speed derailleur and 11 speed cassette? Maybe tune out that gear that isn't there like you did on the Advent X and 11 speed cassette? I don't want to buy a new 12 speed cassette but want drops on my 11 speed XO1! Thanks!
So im not sure if I get this fully but, you could use a 11 speed shifter with there compatible derailleurs and install just the fin to the RD so it talks to the shifter. That way its true 11 speed setup.
I can confirm what Michael is saying you just need their fin kit to convert the rear mech to Exact Actuation you can also do this with a donor fin from any 11 speed Sram road rear mech even apex (you will have to drill out the rivet on the apex to get it off).
Just ordered the kit today to Australia. I just built a bike up, 1x 11 speed force shifters / rear mech with Garbaruk 50t cassette and extended cage, ive adjusted countless amounts and just can not get it to work properly. The gears click under power (over 160watts) and when I adjust gears 1 way, it then doesn't work the other. Have no idea why, ive adjusted so many drivetrains and never had any problems so literally all I can put it down to is the Garbaruk cassette was machined wrong. Anyway, just got shifter upgrade and all I need is a eagle cassette / chain and hopefully no 'weird' stuff happens
@@LockedinCycling no worries. Hanger seems straight, its a brand new frame so it should be straight. 1 major thing is my front chainring only suits 12 speed chains, so when I was organising parts I sent Garbaruk and email and they said their 11 speed cassette works with 11 and 12 speed chains. But yea, in the smaller gears, its wanting to go down a cog, but when I'm in the bigger cogs, it wants to go up the cassette, so I reduce cable tension and its holds on larger cogs, but then in the small gears it won't hold a gear at all and jumps down the next cog which it isn't in. So frustrating. But even when derailleur jocky is aligned properally and im in middle of cassette, the gears click under power.
Thank you for the video. Stocky, a German car, motorcycle & bicycle groupset tuner, makes these kits and sells them on eBay Kleinanzeigen. To get a quote, one has to call or email him (repeatedly, as the slightest change on a shifter's end necessitates changes in the drivetrain); the prices don't show on his website / E-K page, but he does conversions from 9 and above all the way to 14 (!) speeds. It's little trouble if you can afford to pay in one go for the conversion of your choice, regardless of the cost. Otherwise, it is a lot of hassle calling / writing to and fro to put together a system that will satisfy your expectations, work as it should and fit your budget. What complicates matters even more - is if you want, say, a 13-speed system - you'll also need a modified rear derailleur and a modified cassette as well (hoping they fit your freehub) - in other words, extra expense. In any case, for those who want >12-speed Sram groupsets, as of today he appears to be the only party who can oblige.
I am german: And i can totally agree you with Stocky and the dozens of emails you have to write with him! Stocky is kind of an awkward and not the most friendly person - in my oppinion! But he has a great knowledge and mechnical und comprehension. Lever works do cost 139 Euro and his 13 Speed Cassette 10-36+42 cost 200€. But in the end i bought not from him! I went for the Ratio Technology guys... Just personal preferences and my gut feel!
@@Ghostina1 Thank you for the reply and the clarification on the costs. Indeed, that was very much my impression, too - a rather proletarian, grumpy man, but well-versed in his field. It's unfortunate that Ratio Technology do not produce 13, 14 speed gears? As for myself, I resorted to upgrading to a Sram AXS Mullet (an X01 rear derailleur, a 1275 cassette and a GX chain, Force eTap AXS levers (yet to be ordered, as it's either more expensive than I'm willing to pay - or is simply not available at retailers that sell it somewhat more affordably) - or - if Sram launches the Rival eTap AXS soon enough, and the price makes appreciably more sense - then Rival eTap AXS levers). I lament that the eTap AXS is 12, rather than 13 or 14 speeds, but I refuse to pay more than that for a 13-speed mechanical Campagnolo Ekar (much as I like it). Have you already installed and set up yours? By the way, do you use an Eagle rear derailleur - or did you replace the road derailleur cage with a longer one?
@@LeoInterHyenaem Hey I had an Ekar 13 Speed derailleur with my own Sram Red Crankset (1 x 44t Oval from Gabaruk) Testwise on my F12. It was okayish. I had the opportunity to ride this Combo with the Campa Shamal Wheelset (because there was no adapter for my reynolds wheels available) testwise for 2 weeks. My oppinion - i would have bought the Ekar System but the lack of compatibility with my wheels made the swap way to expensive. So i looked for alternatives! Stockys was out of the picture, like i said. So I found Ratio Tech. I am going to pair it with a (New bought) Sram Force derailleur; Garbaruk Cage and a 10-48 Garbaruk Cassette. I am looking forward...
I assume Ratio compensates for the different pull ratios? You mentioned this will work with GX 2x but Ratio only mentions 1X. I have a Force 22 set up with a 46/30 crankset. If this works with 2x I’m in!!
@@LockedinCycling my Force RD is limited to 32T I was hoping this would allow for a wider range and 12 speed. I’m not looking for a 50T. What do you think I could expect out of a 2x set up. 46/30 and what cassette? Thanks for you help, I’m pretty excited for this to work
How much have you used the groupset with Ratio technology parts? How is it holding up? I am interested in how the ratchet retains its teeth and shift quality. Thanks!
@@markkutera5329 it’s still going strong if you watch my latest build video I still have it on my current build. I think it has probably about 4000 miles on it. I would assume at this point since the kit.
Damn for my new bike build I got 1 x 11 using garbaruk cassette and bought GX eagle derailleur and sram rival road derailleur. But cheers for the info and the video showing a new option! I guess I can always upgrade, I would prefer to use eagle derailleur so I would just put the cage back on and change cable routing, get an eagle cassette 12 speed and modify the shifter. But ill test my 11 speed setup once bike is built and see if its worth it. Honestly I paid $500AUD to get right hand shifter and wouldn't really want to pull it apart.
Is it worth attempting to drill out the rivet on the GX derailleur or should I just get an X01 to avoid the risk? Would be nice to use the GX derailleur I already have, but I've never installed it so could return it and go X01 if the rivet drilling is risky enough to potentially ruin the derailleur.
@@LockedinCycling Was the derailleur in your video listed as compatible or not? Mine appears to be the same as yours (newer lunar gx derailleur). Found conflicting information as the manual in the kit lists GX as compatible but their website does not.
I’ve been wondering if the shimano deore m5100 wide range 11 speed transmission would be compatible with 105/ultegra shifters guess I’ll try it when I upgrade my MTB
If you go that route it be twelve speed but limited by derailuer, stock sram 1 cages max at 42t but I’ve had them work on 46t no issues so u can get xplr 10-44
I'm in the process of upgrading from Sora 2x9 to a "budget" 1x mullet drivetrain and I got some questions for ya as there seems to be a few options that'll technically work. Obviously i want to go cheap as possible as it is "Budget" afterall, but i do be riding pretty hard and don't want stuff breaking on me either. So far I've obtained a GX derailleur and ordered a set of Rival shifters. I was planning to get the ratio upgrade kit as well. So here are my questions: You recommended the Ztto 9-50 11spd cassette in the past but I notice you're using the Garbaruk cassette in this video. Obviously the Garb is a decent amount nicer and I'm a bit wary of the ztto; how did the Ztto work out for you in the longterm? Is it worth the extra $100 for the Garbaruk? And either way, should I be going with a 11 or 12 speed cassette? Would it matter other than just smaller/bigger jumps between gears? Should i be at all considering the Garbaruk cage and jockey wheels as well or would i be fine with just the ratio kit? And What cranks are you running, they look like sram NX? (It'd be helpful if you showed a shot of your whole setup/drivetrain rq in future vids just to see what you're using) Would a set of Rival 1x AXS XPLR cranks work or should i stick with some sram mtb cranks? My frame takes a BSA BB btw. I'm planning on running an absolute black sram direct mount chainring. I think that's it for now, hopefully you can provide some insight. Overall really like the videos, keep up the great work man!
Hey man if you wanna discuss this at length I offer zoom sessions about all this since it’s hard to answer all that. Based on parts you have easy answer is ratio kit, zitto wasnt bad but the garbuark is worth the increase and the gearing range options
@@LockedinCycling Thanks for the fast response, i know my message was a bit long. Just ordered the ratio kit although I think ill have to drill out the cable pulley w a 4mm like you did. Currently looking at the e13 9-50 cassette and deciding on chainring size. And I suppose i'll figure cranks out another day haha
Hi, I have a question. On the ratio website it says, "...eagle derailleur from the XX1, X01 or GX groups." Since XX1 and X01 are already 12 speed mech can I skip the cable fin replacement on those models and just do the shifter ratchet conversion?
@@LockedinCycling Thanks for the quick response. Tom from ratio got back to me the next day and basically said the same thing. So yeah, anyone else going this route might be better off to save some money and just get the GX it's half the price of XX1 and X01
Can you give any insight into why the derailleur has to be modified for this conversion? I am not super savvy on bike mechanics, but my understanding was that all Sram 12 speed mountain derailleurs were 1:1 pull ratio.
@@LockedinCycling interesting. In that case then Force 1x 3.0 derailleur or older GX 10spd derailleurs could potentially work, rather then having to buy an Eagle derailleur? If your high end is only 34t or 36t the eagle is rather overkill with its 52t max.
@@LockedinCycling Finally got the conversion kit in the mail and the bike upgraded. It works like a charm, shifts very smoothly and runs quiet-ish (the cassette has some noise, but no more chain slap). Running the kit with modified SRAM Red 22 mechanical rim brake shifters, Wolf Tooth Components 44t chainring, SRAM flat top 12 speed chain, SRAM Force 10-36 AXS cassette, and a Rival 1x 3.0 rear mech. I did have to replace the narrow wide jockey wheel in the rear mech as it seemed to be a bit too wide for the 12 speed flat top chain, but other than that it's been a pleasure to ride. The conversion was super easy, and even used the install video as a guide to remove the unneeded shift mechanism in the left shifter, leaving just the brake lever.
@@yamdrew Hi, I'm in the same boat. I'm going for 46T with XG-1270 10-36T can you confirm that I can use Sram Force 1x3.0 11 speed rear derailleur without swapping out the cable fin? If that's the case all I need to do is replace the shifter ratchet? Can you please provide the part number for the replacement jockey wheels? Does ratio sell just the shifter ratchet conversion kit?
Great video, thanks for making it. I have 10 speed SRAM road shifters. Do you think the modification piece for the shifters could turn a 10 speed shifter into a 12 speed shifter, as it does with 11 speed? This would save me having to buy an 11 speed or 12 speed shifter outright. Thanks
@@LockedinCycling I can’t believe it!! I just got a reply from Ratio and they confirmed that my SRAM s700 hydro 10 speed road shifters would be compatible with their 12 speed conversion! Very happy indeed as this is going to save me from having to buy new 11 speed shifters. Placing order for conversion kit this weekend!
Hello. The first thing to congratulate you on your videos! Question, with a sram group, how do you take what chain maeca do you advise me for the Garbaruk brand cassette? All the best 
Your welcome. I’m not sure what your question is, you mean which rear derailuer to get? For the garabuk cassette you can use any of there 12 speed ones
There aren't 22 functional gears in a 2x11. Adding a second chain ring in the front is equivalent to adding about 3 or 4 gears in the back. So 1x12 is like the 2x9 transmissions we had in the Lance era. I think it's plenty of range.
👍 info, I know I mentioned already to u but this vid would be a great example for longer content!!! I really think when everyone goes back to work hopefully soon u would get more ppl to support u via patron and companies to send new/more products bc I can count with ☝️ 🤚 channels that putting in time to create this style of content!!!
Thanks! Yea some videos like this do run longer since I have alot more to cover. I hope things go back to normal for everyone, I would love to have this channel be able to support me full time.
are they now doing away with the rd hanger, leaving the rd itself to potentially snap? if that is so, then it's nothing but a knucklehead design aimed at nothing but to up the price of the mech .. just saying 😮😢
Thanks you for your comment Simon , I hope you have a wonderful day being a keyboard warrior with your comments with such constructive criticism. I thank you for your view.
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Saw this when they announced it and drooled, but having to have the cable exit at least 70 mm from the derailleur was a killer because of the bikes I'm looking at getting. So much so that I was reserving myself to just go with a 2X setup. That addition of the cable converter is HUGE!!!!!! Now I have a lot more faith about rocking a 12-speed Mech Mullet on my next rig. Great run through, as always!
Fantastic vid! This the only review I’ve found of Ratio’s mod. Good to know it feels OEM. Its way cheaper than AXS, no batteries to deal with and lighter too.
Did the exact same conversion, but used the Sram GX 12 derailleur, and a GX12-52 cassette. Super easy, FANTASTIC!!!! upgrade.
Great video. Love the conversion and the tinkering.
I hate being a smart ass but you might want to look up the definition of OEM.
Keep up the great work
Not sure how I missed this... will be building a new bike (Mason InSearchOff) when I get it in a couple months was not ready to go wireless/batteries for bike packing so I bought a set of Apex 1 11 speed levers and calipers for $275 (new no box) Figured I would just go with a small 34t front chain ring and the max 42t rear and hope for the best. This conversion seems perfect, I even already have the GX rear mech and chain off my flat bar Im replacing with the Mason.
I like this kit.... Thanks for sharing dude!
My pleasure
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@@lakishaweaks9784 Yea im interested in trying that setup out as well
I purchased the Ratio Kit for my Diverge, has SRAM Rival shifters and derrailleur. Installed ratchet, cage and 12 speed Garburuk 10 - 52T. Despite several emails to Ratio, my set up never shifted well, especially on the 3 smallest cogs. I changed my derrailleur to GX (using the road derrailleur cable fin), it shifted better, but still unacceptable. Be careful, Ratio kit may not work for you. They were great at answering emails, but ended up upgrading to AXS GX set up. I wish I would've done it from the beginning.
Will it work with 11 speed derailleur and 11 speed cassette? Maybe tune out that gear that isn't there like you did on the Advent X and 11 speed cassette? I don't want to buy a new 12 speed cassette but want drops on my 11 speed XO1! Thanks!
So im not sure if I get this fully but, you could use a 11 speed shifter with there compatible derailleurs and install just the fin to the RD so it talks to the shifter. That way its true 11 speed setup.
I can confirm what Michael is saying you just need their fin kit to convert the rear mech to Exact Actuation you can also do this with a donor fin from any 11 speed Sram road rear mech even apex (you will have to drill out the rivet on the apex to get it off).
@@LockedinCycling Thank you! You answered my poorly asked question!
@@chris1275cc Thank you!
Just ordered the kit today to Australia. I just built a bike up, 1x 11 speed force shifters / rear mech with Garbaruk 50t cassette and extended cage, ive adjusted countless amounts and just can not get it to work properly. The gears click under power (over 160watts) and when I adjust gears 1 way, it then doesn't work the other.
Have no idea why, ive adjusted so many drivetrains and never had any problems so literally all I can put it down to is the Garbaruk cassette was machined wrong. Anyway, just got shifter upgrade and all I need is a eagle cassette / chain and hopefully no 'weird' stuff happens
Let me know what happens cause I’ve never had that happen. Have your hanger alignment checked
@@LockedinCycling no worries. Hanger seems straight, its a brand new frame so it should be straight. 1 major thing is my front chainring only suits 12 speed chains, so when I was organising parts I sent Garbaruk and email and they said their 11 speed cassette works with 11 and 12 speed chains.
But yea, in the smaller gears, its wanting to go down a cog, but when I'm in the bigger cogs, it wants to go up the cassette, so I reduce cable tension and its holds on larger cogs, but then in the small gears it won't hold a gear at all and jumps down the next cog which it isn't in. So frustrating. But even when derailleur jocky is aligned properally and im in middle of cassette, the gears click under power.
This is brilliant!!!
Thank you for the video.
Stocky, a German car, motorcycle & bicycle groupset tuner, makes these kits and sells them on eBay Kleinanzeigen. To get a quote, one has to call or email him (repeatedly, as the slightest change on a shifter's end necessitates changes in the drivetrain); the prices don't show on his website / E-K page, but he does conversions from 9 and above all the way to 14 (!) speeds. It's little trouble if you can afford to pay in one go for the conversion of your choice, regardless of the cost. Otherwise, it is a lot of hassle calling / writing to and fro to put together a system that will satisfy your expectations, work as it should and fit your budget. What complicates matters even more - is if you want, say, a 13-speed system - you'll also need a modified rear derailleur and a modified cassette as well (hoping they fit your freehub) - in other words, extra expense.
In any case, for those who want >12-speed Sram groupsets, as of today he appears to be the only party who can oblige.
I am german: And i can totally agree you with Stocky and the dozens of emails you have to write with him! Stocky is kind of an awkward and not the most friendly person - in my oppinion! But he has a great knowledge and mechnical und comprehension. Lever works do cost 139 Euro and his 13 Speed Cassette 10-36+42 cost 200€. But in the end i bought not from him! I went for the Ratio Technology guys... Just personal preferences and my gut feel!
@@Ghostina1 Thank you for the reply and the clarification on the costs. Indeed, that was very much my impression, too - a rather proletarian, grumpy man, but well-versed in his field. It's unfortunate that Ratio Technology do not produce 13, 14 speed gears?
As for myself, I resorted to upgrading to a Sram AXS Mullet (an X01 rear derailleur, a 1275 cassette and a GX chain, Force eTap AXS levers (yet to be ordered, as it's either more expensive than I'm willing to pay - or is simply not available at retailers that sell it somewhat more affordably) - or - if Sram launches the Rival eTap AXS soon enough, and the price makes appreciably more sense - then Rival eTap AXS levers). I lament that the eTap AXS is 12, rather than 13 or 14 speeds, but I refuse to pay more than that for a 13-speed mechanical Campagnolo Ekar (much as I like it).
Have you already installed and set up yours? By the way, do you use an Eagle rear derailleur - or did you replace the road derailleur cage with a longer one?
@@LeoInterHyenaem Hey I had an Ekar 13 Speed derailleur with my own Sram Red Crankset (1 x 44t Oval from Gabaruk) Testwise on my F12. It was okayish. I had the opportunity to ride this Combo with the Campa Shamal Wheelset (because there was no adapter for my reynolds wheels available) testwise for 2 weeks. My oppinion - i would have bought the Ekar System but the lack of compatibility with my wheels made the swap way to expensive. So i looked for alternatives! Stockys was out of the picture, like i said. So I found Ratio Tech. I am going to pair it with a (New bought) Sram Force derailleur; Garbaruk Cage and a 10-48 Garbaruk Cassette. I am looking forward...
I assume Ratio compensates for the different pull ratios? You mentioned this will work with GX 2x but Ratio only mentions 1X. I have a Force 22 set up with a 46/30 crankset. If this works with 2x I’m in!!
Yes it’ll work for your setup with just ratchet and you get a 12 speed cassette
@@LockedinCycling Sweet! Just to confirm - I get the 12 Speed GX Eagle rear derailleur
@@leecorsack no you are able to do 2x with that derailuer, I was just thinking you wanted a 12 speed road gear range.
@@LockedinCycling my Force RD is limited to 32T I was hoping this would allow for a wider range and 12 speed. I’m not looking for a 50T. What do you think I could expect out of a 2x set up. 46/30 and what cassette? Thanks for you help, I’m pretty excited for this to work
@@leecorsack I’ve put a 11-36 on a WiFi sram derailuer I have a video on it
How much have you used the groupset with Ratio technology parts? How is it holding up? I am interested in how the ratchet retains its teeth and shift quality. Thanks!
@@markkutera5329 it’s still going strong if you watch my latest build video I still have it on my current build. I think it has probably about 4000 miles on it. I would assume at this point since the kit.
@@LockedinCycling Nice, thanks for a quick reply!
Damn for my new bike build I got 1 x 11 using garbaruk cassette and bought GX eagle derailleur and sram rival road derailleur. But cheers for the info and the video showing a new option! I guess I can always upgrade, I would prefer to use eagle derailleur so I would just put the cage back on and change cable routing, get an eagle cassette 12 speed and modify the shifter. But ill test my 11 speed setup once bike is built and see if its worth it. Honestly I paid $500AUD to get right hand shifter and wouldn't really want to pull it apart.
This looks so fun but my Force 1 1x11 set up is already dialed dang it!
Is it worth attempting to drill out the rivet on the GX derailleur or should I just get an X01 to avoid the risk? Would be nice to use the GX derailleur I already have, but I've never installed it so could return it and go X01 if the rivet drilling is risky enough to potentially ruin the derailleur.
Check if that’s compatible it’s based on the generation of gx rd
@@LockedinCycling Was the derailleur in your video listed as compatible or not? Mine appears to be the same as yours (newer lunar gx derailleur). Found conflicting information as the manual in the kit lists GX as compatible but their website does not.
@@Mchepworth4 I’d hit them up if the lunar cage is different in theory I’d assume it work
I’ve been wondering if the shimano deore m5100 wide range 11 speed transmission would be compatible with 105/ultegra shifters guess I’ll try it when I upgrade my MTB
You can use a tampan to make the road shifters work with certain shimano mtb derailuers
So I could simply get my sram force 1 RD and convert it 12s and use it on let's say a 10-50T ou the new xplr sram casette?
If you go that route it be twelve speed but limited by derailuer, stock sram 1 cages max at 42t but I’ve had them work on 46t no issues so u can get xplr 10-44
Oh ok so what's limiting the number of gears is more about the rachet than the RD... interesting
Good thing Apex Eagle was released! Its new brifters is compatible with the GX derailleur and cassettes. We don’t need this anymore.
We do if we want light, inexpensive levers and cable brakes.
I wonder if they'd install the ratchet for you if you ship them your shifter...
Your local shop should be able to handle it, but you could ask but shipping would be a ton.
I'm in the process of upgrading from Sora 2x9 to a "budget" 1x mullet drivetrain and I got some questions for ya as there seems to be a few options that'll technically work. Obviously i want to go cheap as possible as it is "Budget" afterall, but i do be riding pretty hard and don't want stuff breaking on me either.
So far I've obtained a GX derailleur and ordered a set of Rival shifters. I was planning to get the ratio upgrade kit as well. So here are my questions:
You recommended the Ztto 9-50 11spd cassette in the past but I notice you're using the Garbaruk cassette in this video. Obviously the Garb is a decent amount nicer and I'm a bit wary of the ztto; how did the Ztto work out for you in the longterm? Is it worth the extra $100 for the Garbaruk? And either way, should I be going with a 11 or 12 speed cassette? Would it matter other than just smaller/bigger jumps between gears?
Should i be at all considering the Garbaruk cage and jockey wheels as well or would i be fine with just the ratio kit?
And What cranks are you running, they look like sram NX? (It'd be helpful if you showed a shot of your whole setup/drivetrain rq in future vids just to see what you're using) Would a set of Rival 1x AXS XPLR cranks work or should i stick with some sram mtb cranks? My frame takes a BSA BB btw. I'm planning on running an absolute black sram direct mount chainring.
I think that's it for now, hopefully you can provide some insight. Overall really like the videos, keep up the great work man!
Hey man if you wanna discuss this at length I offer zoom sessions about all this since it’s hard to answer all that. Based on parts you have easy answer is ratio kit, zitto wasnt bad but the garbuark is worth the increase and the gearing range options
@@LockedinCycling Thanks for the fast response, i know my message was a bit long. Just ordered the ratio kit although I think ill have to drill out the cable pulley w a 4mm like you did. Currently looking at the e13 9-50 cassette and deciding on chainring size. And I suppose i'll figure cranks out another day haha
Hi, I have a question. On the ratio website it says, "...eagle derailleur from the XX1, X01 or GX groups." Since XX1 and X01 are already 12 speed mech can I skip the cable fin replacement on those models and just do the shifter ratchet conversion?
You need cable fin so that the pull ratio matches the road shifters , just like I had to for my setup
@@LockedinCycling Thanks for the quick response. Tom from ratio got back to me the next day and basically said the same thing. So yeah, anyone else going this route might be better off to save some money and just get the GX it's half the price of XX1 and X01
@@eddievanich Exactly GX is great value and not much heavier then other derailleurs youll save more weight for your money in crankset or the cassette
Where is the Garbaruk cassette review?
Haven’t produced it yet but I will soon, working a long term review for all of the garaburak components
Can you give any insight into why the derailleur has to be modified for this conversion? I am not super savvy on bike mechanics, but my understanding was that all Sram 12 speed mountain derailleurs were 1:1 pull ratio.
they were the same when it was 10 speed but that changed after that, so it is needed to make the pull ratio the same from the shifter to the RD.
@@LockedinCycling interesting. In that case then Force 1x 3.0 derailleur or older GX 10spd derailleurs could potentially work, rather then having to buy an Eagle derailleur? If your high end is only 34t or 36t the eagle is rather overkill with its 52t max.
@@yamdrew yes if the max tooth isn’t the issue that should work, like me showing just the ratchet worked with my stock apex 1 rd
@@LockedinCycling Finally got the conversion kit in the mail and the bike upgraded. It works like a charm, shifts very smoothly and runs quiet-ish (the cassette has some noise, but no more chain slap).
Running the kit with modified SRAM Red 22 mechanical rim brake shifters, Wolf Tooth Components 44t chainring, SRAM flat top 12 speed chain, SRAM Force 10-36 AXS cassette, and a Rival 1x 3.0 rear mech. I did have to replace the narrow wide jockey wheel in the rear mech as it seemed to be a bit too wide for the 12 speed flat top chain, but other than that it's been a pleasure to ride. The conversion was super easy, and even used the install video as a guide to remove the unneeded shift mechanism in the left shifter, leaving just the brake lever.
@@yamdrew Hi, I'm in the same boat. I'm going for 46T with XG-1270 10-36T can you confirm that I can use Sram Force 1x3.0 11 speed rear derailleur without swapping out the cable fin? If that's the case all I need to do is replace the shifter ratchet? Can you please provide the part number for the replacement jockey wheels? Does ratio sell just the shifter ratchet conversion kit?
Great video, thanks for making it. I have 10 speed SRAM road shifters. Do you think the modification piece for the shifters could turn a 10 speed shifter into a 12 speed shifter, as it does with 11 speed? This would save me having to buy an 11 speed or 12 speed shifter outright. Thanks
I’m not sure. I would ask them! I heard people doing 11 speed to 10 speed shifters. So in theory it should be the same for 12 speed ratchet.
@@LockedinCycling I can’t believe it!! I just got a reply from Ratio and they confirmed that my SRAM s700 hydro 10 speed road shifters would be compatible with their 12 speed conversion! Very happy indeed as this is going to save me from having to buy new 11 speed shifters. Placing order for conversion kit this weekend!
@@TheSimonibb tell them I sent you!
How do I upgrade from Shimano road 11 speed brifters to 12 speed?
theres no easy way with shimano, youd need new shifters completely.
Can you try a sram eagle with a 2x?
It won’t work since the Rd has a clutch
Hello. The first thing to congratulate you on your videos! Question, with a sram group, how do you take what chain maeca do you advise me for the Garbaruk brand cassette? All the best

Your welcome. I’m not sure what your question is, you mean which rear derailuer to get? For the garabuk cassette you can use any of there 12 speed ones
@@LockedinCycling Hello
Sorry for my English translation.
What brand of chain do you use with the Garbaruk brand cassette?
All the best
@@christianllano7988 i used a standard 12 speed chain I got off Amazon I believe it was a ybn brand
Great job. Do i need a XD oder XDR Freehub for the 12s casette?
either works for mtb cassettes, if you have road 12 then xdr
Can someone please do this with Shimano stuff? Once again, Shimano is ages behind on the gravel train...
Gosh! We went from 20 speed 2Xs to 12 speed 1Xs. Now that’s progress! 😂
Or 24 speed 2x.
There aren't 22 functional gears in a 2x11. Adding a second chain ring in the front is equivalent to adding about 3 or 4 gears in the back. So 1x12 is like the 2x9 transmissions we had in the Lance era. I think it's plenty of range.
Can i ask, do you use XD driver hub?
Yes for this cassette it is. But they offer non xd cassettes as well as other companies
Thumbs up for gold chain. My current ride is 2x8. sad face.
You need help.
can you please do a shimano mullet stuff next time
I would love to but I dont have any shimano componets currently
👍 info, I know I mentioned already to u but this vid would be a great example for longer content!!! I really think when everyone goes back to work hopefully soon u would get more ppl to support u via patron and companies to send new/more products bc I can count with ☝️ 🤚 channels that putting in time to create this style of content!!!
Thanks! Yea some videos like this do run longer since I have alot more to cover. I hope things go back to normal for everyone, I would love to have this channel be able to support me full time.
I bet 😉. Not complaining at longer vids instead I like for some videos to be longer actually, like this one
are they now doing away with the rd hanger, leaving the rd itself to potentially snap? if that is so, then it's nothing but a knucklehead design aimed at nothing but to up the price of the mech .. just saying 😮😢
Thumbnail 'michinical' ?
Edit: my bad 'mechinical'
😂😂
There's no h in Sram people..
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You talk WAY too fast for such a conversion....
Thanks you for your comment Simon , I hope you have a wonderful day being a keyboard warrior with your comments with such constructive criticism. I thank you for your view.
Might as well just buy the 12 speed shifter