Yes, he did capture quite succinctly the difference between programming for 'young adults' then and now. I don't find Screenwipe the least bit cynical in an actual sense. It's a great insight into so many aspects of TV production with Brooker's wry stamp.
True, The Inbetweeners is over the top silliness. But my experiences as a teenager were much closer to the awkwardness of Inbetweeners, rather than Skins where everyone was so cocksure about themselves.
Stewart Lee was absolutely fucking spot-on, as usual. I loathed Skins and everybody in school talked about and it just made me ill. Felt more disconnected with my own generation than I already had- I was glad to be done with all those tossers and I don't look back.
Skins was written by people in their mid 30s and older, who clearly had a chip on their shoulder about how much "fun" they seemed to think young people were having. Really weird show. I was 20 when it first came on, and immediately knew that it was not written by anyone with a clue.
8:12 "Conclusive proof that the past exists." Eh? I'm struggling to consider whether the continuity announcer's "massively increased budget" is sarcasm or not, given the nature of the show...
Considering the show they're announcing involves a horse being wrestled to death, in a situation eerily reminiscent of the old "TV Go Home" guides, it's probably fake.
I agree. Skins is irredeemably vile. Cant sit through 10 minutes of that show without getting depressed or irritated. I will forever be incapable of understanding why my peers find Skins so compelling. Maybe because they're all pissy little ratbags as well...
Not at all; In the UK it is School - College - University Sometimes School's have 6th form colleges on site for 16/17/18 year olds. What may be confusing you is that colleges don't just offer high education courses but also offer a wide range of services. Including vocational courses for people wanting to train in specialisms. And even basic courses for those who failed miserably at school.
Man Stewart was right, I was younger than the target audience when skins came out and even then I knew it was dreadful. Hasn't improved on a second watch, it's gotten worse if anything
well it is after all a childrens show. What attracts people to doctor who is two things, 1) the fact it has been on television longer than most people are alive and 2) the way it can do anything it wants to do every episode. And some episodes are scary- when I was younger the empty child always used to terrify me
Nope. Yahtzee is a self-confessed Brooker fan, however. It's evident in his style. The world is a better place with the two of them. I'm sure you'll agree.
What's red and invisible? No tomatoes. What's orange and invisible? No oranges. What's see through and invisible? No glass. No hang on that doesn't work
I like sci-fi and fantasy because it appeals to the imagination and it's interesting to see how the the writers handle interesting questions creatively. I'd prefer it to be MORE intellectually stimulating, e.g. I'd like The Doctor, being supposedly a high genius, to show signs of being more philosophically intelligent than the human average, which he isn't, but it's one of the closest things in TV fiction to intellectual stimulation. I also avoid scary TV so the current format suits me fine.
(Writing this in November 2024.) I think the subliminal message in Stewart Lee's segment was that kids used to be kids in the '70s, but now the paedos have been allowed to take over and the little dears are gagging for it. Nine years old is the new sixteen. Oh, today's TV producers are EVER SO careful to portray everyone as 'young adults', but... Lolita lives. "She started it, officer. I blame the internet... She keeps sending me texts and photographs and won't leave me alone." Pretty sick. And in another few years there'll be six and seven year-old kids involved. The paedos are experts at this kind of thing - normalising behaviour, praising precociousness, insisting that no mere adult has the right to dictate to children what they should and shouldn't feel. Doctor Who used to be 'scary' for kids. The monsters were a bit of a joke for any adults watching, but the monsters were easy for the kids to identify. Have you seen what Doctor Who has become? It's not a programme for kiddies any more. It's aimed at the adults those kiddies have become. They should have left it behind, but they're dragged it with them and made it 'real' and now the monsters are behind the scenes, creating the storylines. I think that's called grooming, isn't it? What message does it send out? Why, the same old 'children are mature enough for adult relationships' agenda that the dear old BBC has been promoting in the name of X, Y, and Z over the past 20,years. (I can't use the actual words; my Comment would be deleted.) So today's children have been awarded the status of adults. How very progressive. How very convenient for those who'd exploit them. Imagine looking back on this video 30 years from now. The randy young adults in 'Skins' will seem very tame indeed. Pretty old, too. The show's stars in 2054 will be nine and ten years old, and nobody will dare protest at their antics. Because it's their right to decide how they interact with the men and women (etc) around them. We must treat children as adults. It's their right. And it represents a tremendous saving on puppies and sweeties for Britain's hard-pressed paedo population. Lock up your toddlers.
Charlie, I've made a new television series here for you. Called: Charlie Brooker has to say the word 'Anomaly' at least 8 time during this half-hour programme.
What's he talking about? Babylon 5 was epic! There was a character called Able Horn. ABLE HORN. Or perhaps Abel? God knows... but what more could you want?
I really dont understand the attraction of Dr Who, dont get me wrong since it started up again all 3 of the actors seem to have done a good job making the dr seem perfectly charming and odd, it just looks cheap and incredibly unscary. Atleast with the old one you have that frightening 70s greyness which seemed to make the daleks far more threatening. Anyways I love Charlton Brooker
Really? I'm not from the UK but I live here now. Is college not similar to university but you don't have to graduate school and the courses teach less academia and more vocational subjects.
My ideal for college was to sit down with some good books and have a read but i ended up having loads of sex and doing loads of drugs instead :/. made me sad
Why? I don't get the hate for it|? Sure the new seasons are complete shit. But the first 2 series were magical! Chris was one of the best characters on tv!
I think mr Lee's talking out of his arse. Kids are selfish. Skins may be unrealistic to some extent. Yes, It glorifies drug and use and drinking and show heightened sexual behaviour but children of the stones? The changes? Sorry i feel more comfortable with shows about relationships and things that actually happend when you're growing up rather than black holes and abandonment.
I imagine the unrealistic hedonism and cynicism of Skins alienated a lot more teenagers than those silly intriguing 70s shows did. At least the way the teenagers reacted with each other anyway.
Let's face it: Dr. 9 sucked ass, and doctor 10 did not really take off for a while, so when this was made, he had all the grounds to forget about them. In fact, he changed his mind -- you should see his review on season 4.
wow, how wonderful to hear from a middle aged man about what he thinks he remembers would be important to him as a teenager. But has this dude even watched Skins? I don't think so...
My college days were almost exactly like Skins. Just sex and drugs everywhere. Series one and two were great. After the cast changed though I gave up as it became a parody of itself. I never really got on with the Inbetweeners as it didn't seem very realistic to me.
Stewart Lee's segment was beautiful
Pushon Bhattacharya ..and extremely poignant.
Yes, he did capture quite succinctly the difference between programming for 'young adults' then and now. I don't find Screenwipe the least bit cynical in an actual sense. It's a great insight into so many aspects of TV production with Brooker's wry stamp.
Nx Doyle
True, The Inbetweeners is over the top silliness. But my experiences as a teenager were much closer to the awkwardness of Inbetweeners, rather than Skins where everyone was so cocksure about themselves.
Stewart Lee was absolutely fucking spot-on, as usual. I loathed Skins and everybody in school talked about and it just made me ill. Felt more disconnected with my own generation than I already had- I was glad to be done with all those tossers and I don't look back.
Skins was written by people in their mid 30s and older, who clearly had a chip on their shoulder about how much "fun" they seemed to think young people were having.
Really weird show. I was 20 when it first came on, and immediately knew that it was not written by anyone with a clue.
Such a nasty and cynical show.
Love it.
not as nasty and cynical as tv in general lol
'He is a hunk, therefore the enemy' hahaha
'I'm sorry that's a bland opinion. Fuck you!' Ahahaha! Oh Charlie, never change!
I lost it at "Complete six levels of Horace Goes Skiing on the ZX Spectrum".
bet you never completed it... you have five mins to reply
@@MrAaronBestRPG it's been 6 years guessing you're still working on it too.
@@shol2218 just give me three more
Frankly, if I was in such a scenario, I'd at least try.
8:12 "Conclusive proof that the past exists."
Eh?
I'm struggling to consider whether the continuity announcer's "massively increased budget" is sarcasm or not, given the nature of the show...
Considering the show they're announcing involves a horse being wrestled to death, in a situation eerily reminiscent of the old "TV Go Home" guides, it's probably fake.
"Go, you lovely supercar, go!"
I agree. Skins is irredeemably vile. Cant sit through 10 minutes of that show without getting depressed or irritated. I will forever be incapable of understanding why my peers find Skins so compelling. Maybe because they're all pissy little ratbags as well...
I could watch grace dent talk about soaps all day
Knightmare! The memories are flooding back!
I think mortgages should have holes you can put your nob in
Charlie Brooker, you are my king.
I loved Knightmare as a kid. I remember being afraid that a giant fake bomb would blow up unless a friend gave me directions fast enough.
General Ratko Mladic has let himself go
that mark watson killing the horse in a razor wire thunder dome was brilliant it's a bit sad they don't make tv like that anymore
The reality tv bit in this episode might be the most interesting moment in the whole run of Screenwipe.
I love all the carry on films soundtracks in the background lol
Oh yes they do, new wipe series scheduled for later on this year ;)
18:47 that's exactly how I feel as a teenager watching skins, spot on Mr. Lee!!!!
Not at all;
In the UK it is School - College - University
Sometimes School's have 6th form colleges on site for 16/17/18 year olds.
What may be confusing you is that colleges don't just offer high education courses but also offer a wide range of services. Including vocational courses for people wanting to train in specialisms. And even basic courses for those who failed miserably at school.
that part about Skins is damn true
hope the new Weekly Wipe is as good
It's a terrible idea to watch this show while having a meal; I almost choked on my food several times.
I live alone, I can't afford to do that, lol.
Sometimes it's so scary even the camera man wets himself.
13:50 -13:56
That type of edit is so fucking annoying. Why even bother? It's so easy to see through.
his brother is laurence fishbourne.
Man Stewart was right, I was younger than the target audience when skins came out and even then I knew it was dreadful. Hasn't improved on a second watch, it's gotten worse if anything
Charlie Brooker too good
holy fucking shit i love brooker.
Where Charlie Brooker and Yahtzee Croshaw separated at birth?
Yathzee did say he's one of his inspirations. I really wish there was a crossover...
Hell yes, I'm not the only one who made the connection!!!
well it is after all a childrens show. What attracts people to doctor who is two things, 1) the fact it has been on television longer than most people are alive and 2) the way it can do anything it wants to do every episode. And some episodes are scary- when I was younger the empty child always used to terrify me
Nope. Yahtzee is a self-confessed Brooker fan, however. It's evident in his style.
The world is a better place with the two of them. I'm sure you'll agree.
Which balkenende cabinet though :P
What's red and invisible? No tomatoes. What's orange and invisible? No oranges. What's see through and invisible? No glass. No hang on that doesn't work
Nice one!
The last answer for your joke should be 'Common Sense' ;)
My thoughts exactly.
"full time eyebrow display unit" hahahahahahaha
in the uk college comes before university its pretty much the end of highschool
It is for some people. And even more people see it as their ideal picture of what college is like. Thats what makes it so utterly depressing.
I like sci-fi and fantasy because it appeals to the imagination and it's interesting to see how the the writers handle interesting questions creatively. I'd prefer it to be MORE intellectually stimulating, e.g. I'd like The Doctor, being supposedly a high genius, to show signs of being more philosophically intelligent than the human average, which he isn't, but it's one of the closest things in TV fiction to intellectual stimulation. I also avoid scary TV so the current format suits me fine.
(Writing this in November 2024.) I think the subliminal message in Stewart Lee's segment was that kids used to be kids in the '70s, but now the paedos have been allowed to take over and the little dears are gagging for it. Nine years old is the new sixteen.
Oh, today's TV producers are EVER SO careful to portray everyone as 'young adults', but... Lolita lives. "She started it, officer. I blame the internet... She keeps sending me texts and photographs and won't leave me alone."
Pretty sick. And in another few years there'll be six and seven year-old kids involved. The paedos are experts at this kind of thing - normalising behaviour, praising precociousness, insisting that no mere adult has the right to dictate to children what they should and shouldn't feel.
Doctor Who used to be 'scary' for kids. The monsters were a bit of a joke for any adults watching, but the monsters were easy for the kids to identify.
Have you seen what Doctor Who has become? It's not a programme for kiddies any more. It's aimed at the adults those kiddies have become. They should have left it behind, but they're dragged it with them and made it 'real' and now the monsters are behind the scenes, creating the storylines. I think that's called grooming, isn't it?
What message does it send out? Why, the same old 'children are mature enough for adult relationships' agenda that the dear old BBC has been promoting in the name of X, Y, and Z over the past 20,years. (I can't use the actual words; my Comment would be deleted.)
So today's children have been awarded the status of adults. How very progressive. How very convenient for those who'd exploit them.
Imagine looking back on this video 30 years from now. The randy young adults in 'Skins' will seem very tame indeed. Pretty old, too. The show's stars in 2054 will be nine and ten years old, and nobody will dare protest at their antics. Because it's their right to decide how they interact with the men and women (etc) around them. We must treat children as adults. It's their right. And it represents a tremendous saving on puppies and sweeties for Britain's hard-pressed paedo population.
Lock up your toddlers.
Charlie, I've made a new television series here for you. Called: Charlie Brooker has to say the word 'Anomaly' at least 8 time during this half-hour programme.
I'm not familiar with children of the stones, but it looks like it's aimed at a completely different demographic than Skins
It's bizarre. Like an essay on why lemon-flavoured candy is better than pillowcases.
I remember them two kids about 19 minutes in. The pain.
Go you lovely Supercar, go.
How Grace had the audacity to come for Ken and Deidre's looks....
hoop'da do'apples and pears hoolp da' do...
this episode was quite clearly not made for 240p.
Charlie's emotion glove is right handed...
Stewart Lee was spot on.
Yes, by over 10 years.
I think mortgages should have holes you can put your knob in *smug face*
Oh, I love doodahs, b*llocks to saving sixty grand for medical school! Woojimiflip and widdleewee for me.
Ever since Russel Brand phoned up Manuel the racist stereotype, the BBC has become blander than Meeeehhhhhhhhh.
What's he talking about? Babylon 5 was epic! There was a character called Able Horn. ABLE HORN. Or perhaps Abel? God knows... but what more could you want?
Aren't they in school in Skins?
I really dont understand the attraction of Dr Who, dont get me wrong since it started up again all 3 of the actors seem to have done a good job making the dr seem perfectly charming and odd, it just looks cheap and incredibly unscary. Atleast with the old one you have that frightening 70s greyness which seemed to make the daleks far more threatening.
Anyways I love Charlton Brooker
Stewart Lee 😅😅😅
If I never hear or see Grace Dent again, that would be great.
24 frames in film not 25
La Ritournelle - Sébastian Tellier :)
Does Charlie know the actor from the ING ad is gay?
Grace Dent talks out her arse, always has.
Maybe but she's eminently shaggable.
The people for whom it is a realistic representation of college, probably shouldnt have gone to college.
5:47
charlie brooker has let himself go
Really? I'm not from the UK but I live here now. Is college not similar to university but you don't have to graduate school and the courses teach less academia and more vocational subjects.
15:35 Charlie Brooker has let himself go.
What's red and invisible? No tomatoes. What's orange and invisible? No oranges. What's see through and invisible? No glass.
Hang on - did that continuity announcer say what I think she did?!
Probably not. Or that he's Haldir.
i like you grace!
genuinely enjoy themselves?
23:50 - Ha Ha you Single Bastard. X-D
... what you doing to it?? hahahaha
I always skip those bits, apart from Doug Stanhope, he's great.
Don't want to sound cruel (I do actually) but judging by Grace Dent's teeth that boomerang hit her in the mouth...
I'd still make sweet love to her by the fire.
"28 years ago Dr Who was king"... im sorry? WAS? i guess you meant IS STILL THE.
Skins is awful, The Inbetweeners is much more realistic imo.
"Arse."
Yeah, I don't understand all the animosity towards her.
Good thing I never watched Skins then..
My ideal for college was to sit down with some good books and have a read but i ended up having loads of sex and doing loads of drugs instead :/. made me sad
Its also not a very realistic representation of what being at college is like.
Why? I don't get the hate for it|? Sure the new seasons are complete shit. But the first 2 series were magical! Chris was one of the best characters on tv!
Who cares what Grace Dent thinks about anything?
Should probably have kept that to yourself.
Their are different ends of the same bullshit scale.
Stewart Lee was good.
I like Skins... :(
1:55
23:04 to get through Grace Dent's shit bit.
shutafu.kup !!! great 02:18
I think mr Lee's talking out of his arse. Kids are selfish. Skins may be unrealistic to some extent. Yes, It glorifies drug and use and drinking and show heightened sexual behaviour but children of the stones? The changes? Sorry i feel more comfortable with shows about relationships and things that actually happend when you're growing up rather than black holes and abandonment.
I imagine the unrealistic hedonism and cynicism of Skins alienated a lot more teenagers than those silly intriguing 70s shows did. At least the way the teenagers reacted with each other anyway.
Let's face it: Dr. 9 sucked ass, and doctor 10 did not really take off for a while, so when this was made, he had all the grounds to forget about them. In fact, he changed his mind -- you should see his review on season 4.
I liked the soap bullshit.
wow, how wonderful to hear from a middle aged man about what he thinks he remembers would be important to him as a teenager. But has this dude even watched Skins? I don't think so...
I'm a teenager and I've watched Skins.. Everything Stewart Lee said about it was right. Almost exactly how I feel.
I grew up as a teen when skins was at its peak. It made me feel alienated and inadequate beyond belief. Horrendous cancer of a show.
My college days were almost exactly like Skins. Just sex and drugs everywhere.
Series one and two were great. After the cast changed though I gave up as it became a parody of itself.
I never really got on with the Inbetweeners as it didn't seem very realistic to me.