Anglo-Saxon Paganism: Elves, ents, orcs and temples
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- Опубліковано 4 сер 2024
- What exactly are elves in the Anglo-Saxon pagan belief system? Did Anglo-Saxon pagans believe in an afterlife and Hell? I will answer all these questions in this video which is the second part of a 2 part series - I will also show you what their pagan temple at Yeavering looked like, and explain how the elves, orcs, dwarves, land wights and ents of their belief system were all classed as demons after Christianisation.
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Dowden, Ken (2000). European Paganism: The Realities of Cult from Antiquity to the Middle Ages.
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Doyle, Conan. (2018). Dweorg in Old English: Aspects of Disease Terminology.
Gunnel, T., ‘How Elvish were the Elves?’ 2007.
Hall, A., 'Are there any Elves in Anglo-Saxon Place-Names?', Nomina: Journal of the Society for Name Studies in Britain and Ireland, 29 (2006), 61-80.
Hall, A., (2004). The Meanings of Elf, and Elves, in Medieval England. 2007.
Lund, J., "At the Water's Edge" in "Signals of Belief in Early England"
Lysaght, P. ‘the banshee: the irish supernatural death messenger’
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North, R. 1997 Heathen gods in Old English literature. amzn.to/3gQW03m
Pollington, S. 2011. The Elder Gods: The Otherworld of Early England.
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Price, Neil & Mortimer, Paul. (2014). An Eye for Odin? Divine Role-Playing in the Age of Sutton Hoo. European Journal of Archaeology.
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00:00 Introduction
01:37 Sacred Temples
07:25 Other sacred places
11:45 Demons?
12:59 Hel, wælcyrge and the afterlife
23:50 Wyrd sisters
28:03 Evil things
31:46 Water monsters
33:14 House spirits
35:00 Elves
41:48 Dwarves
44:44 Animism
49:17 Conclusion
I was born and raised in the modern German state of Lower Saxony and it is WILD how much of this is super familiar to me. Like those horse headed gables are literally everywhere even today
Awesome you see these familiarities brother
@@Jay-jj5gk it’s really eye opening to get some background information to so many traditions and stories you grew up with and never really spent any time thinking about. Makes you connect to your heritage in a different and more meaningful way.
@@RudolfD hello fellow Saxon ✌️ wo geiht di dat?
I’m from sweden and most is very familiar to me as well.
I live with Orcs
It’s always disappointing to me that Anglo Saxon history and culture always gets sidelined in discussions about English pride and culture over the whole imperialism business. It’s really nice to learn more and more about my ancestors and know what kinds of beliefs they heard prior to Christianity. Thanks a lot!
They lost
@C Bizz coomer
@C Bizz the Christians defeated the coomer pagans now they have no history
@C Bizz and you’re part of a loser cult gotcha
imperialism is based
I wish more people would start to take an interest in our culture and history it’s sad to see it slowly fading out so thank you for keeping it alive and for keeping us educated
I have zero Anglo-Saxon heritage and I am obsessed with it. The richness of your culture is exquisite.
thankfully people like tolkein have totally reignighted something in it its good to see
There are more people studying it and following it today that 100 years ago. It’s not dying it is slowly growing.
@@nebnik2015 except his fans credit him with inventing the creatures and other folklore. Yea, elves are from a book in the 20th century. wtf is wrong with tolkein fans.
@@omnitravis not sure which tolkien fans you've been talking to. Pretty much everyone knows that Tolkien was inspired by mythology. He did pretty much invent modern fantasy elves though.
Honestly, I’ve learned more about our heritage from this two part series than I did from over a decade of school. These are fantastic!
Very Indo-European video
This must be the most underrated channel out there.
Sadly so many don't care about their ancestors and have forsaken them for propaganda.. Do you follow Asha Logos at all?
@@yqafree wdym?
@@double7923 my name YQA? Your Quality Apologist aka Your Quality Anarchist.
But if you're asking for other meanings let me know, if you're asking about : Asha? Logos? Sorry unclear to what your inquiry is about..
@@double7923 Or perhaps you mean my reference to many but not all light skinned people for some reason in mass tending to hate themselves and ancestry, guilt and/or negative views about their history, in that case it is a self-evident statement.
Also I noticed a weird anomaly, I definitely posted without it saying "... *Logos propaganda." That's weird to me that the comment got registered that way
Happy Thors Day Lads
Tolkien never actually said his elves had pointed ears, they were actually supreme beings in his stories. Much like Anglo Saxon beliefs.
Tolkien was very knowledgeable
When I was little my dad would always tell me stories from the lord of the rings. I was fascinated as a young boy and I would constantly ask questions. I don't remember what I asked but I remember being shocked when I learned that Tolkiens elves weren't little people. He went on to tell me they are supposed to be the first and finest example of a Noble race. That elves were supposed to be like perfect happy children. Tragic that they turned out to be so stoic and sad.
@@Survivethejive He was a professor.
@@RampantDaydream he didn't invent elves he ripped off Nordic Mythology
Tolkien will always hold a special place as a bridge from our pre-Christian ancestors beliefs and the Christian dogma which forcefully replaced it in some places. I respect Tolkirn immensely because his deep reverence for our pre-Christian ancestors and the work he did to bring it into our modern world.
Damn my man releasing documentaries at this point
Yes he is! ACCURATE ONES AS WELL
It gladdens me as a swede that fellow germanic culture gets recognized and brought up. Very fascinating history.
In East Anglia there is a legend of a demon dog who attacked a church in Blythburgh and he was called Black Shuck.
Yeah idk what it was with this people and evil dog spirits or whatever, but here where i live (The Netherlands) there are multiple stories about those too.
Wonder what's the lore behind those
When you realize the evil dog wasn't evil but the church is
Yeah i know that it were mostly the churches making every non-christian thing "evil", but what kind of role played those dogs in ancient paganism?
@@kimashitawa8113 Not necessarily Saxon but other monstrous dogs/wolves like Garmr, Fenrir/Fenris from pagan lore etc possibly? who knows. i know in the church in Blythburgh there are "claw" marks down a door (i've seen them myself) although the look more like burn marks than scraps i guess. I think the Black Shuck story is more modern though than saxon but whether the story of demon dogs persists? again who knows. interesting use of the term Shuck, which Tom also mentions in this video.
@@valofalconery It being derived from a Continental-Germanic variant of Garmr or Fenrir sounds plausible, but yeah it's hard to see wether something is modern or derived from something ancient when it comes to folklore is hard sometimes.
As a pagan I shall sacrifice this comment to the gods of algorithm for your fortune and to show my appreciation for this video! Hel!
May the Clicks be with you!
Just fascinating. Our history, anthropology and ancient lore is being lost on purpose and its preservation is so important. You're doing the real job of the BBC and similar agencies. I hope someday you will become a wealthy man because of this incredible work you're doing.
Wise Mr. Rowsell, thank you so much for helping to keep our heritage alive!
I'm pretty sure what came after is also your heritage, currently Christianity is the dominant heritage of Britain. But I agree it's very interesting.
@@avikingwego2162 good day to you too.
Christianity originated in the middle east, but Europeans are the ones that turned it into what it is, and mixed it with their own folklore to create something new.
Just like the Indo Europeans came from the steps of Asia, overwhelming the original European cultures with their own heritage and created something new.
You should be proud of your heritage, including the last 1000 years of it.
@@Abilliph + Mark, good to see an agreeable discussion on YT for once :D I deleted my reply because I misread what you said and didn't exactly disagree anyways
@RUKMINI TALUKDER true. That's the beauty of it.
It's like Judaism. It tried to remove it's Canaanite origins but they're still pretty much a part of the culture.
We should take the old and the new, it's more fun that way.
I love geeking out about ancient middle eastern cultures, and it would be great if those people tried to preserve a part of their past, like you attempt to do with the Indo European culture, but the present is also an important part of who everyone is.
The David Attenborough of the English folk spirit rides again. Wassail 👍🍻
Funnily enough David Attenborough's father was an author inAnglo-Saxon Academia
Ive been studying history and recently got more into the west, and found myself discovering your channel just as i was beginning to study British history. You go in depth on levels i really and truly appreciate, and myself as a linguist adding those little language break downs makes it all that much more interesting. Great channel man.
As a descendant of Welsh, Scottish and English ancestors I have struggled my entire young adult and adult life to find my faith in Christ. Like so many people I was expected to be a Christian as were my parents and their parents and so on. My Grandparents were Welsh and as far as I know they were members of the Church of England. Although they were not devout they were invested in the Christian dogma. I never felt a connection to their beliefs or their hanging Christ. I flirted with other occult beliefs as a young adult including an embarrassing interlude with the new age candle cult of Wicca.
I can honestly say I've never felt more compelled by a "religion" than I have with Anglo Saxon paganism.
Thank you for the work you do. It has brought me closer to my ancestors and closer to finding true belief.
I've always felt that groves were particularly beautiful and enchanting. Special places where you can enjoy some peace.
Interesting to note on the subject of the Valkyries is that they are not necessarily distinct entities but rather transcendental personifications of certain elements of the warriors themselves, in this manner relating themselves to certain depictions made in the Iranian tradition of the Fravashi, the storming virgins of battle.
My friend, you are one of the best sources for information on Germanic paganism and mythology on UA-cam. I don't have much but I'm going to see if I can donate something for you. You are tragically underrated. Keep up the good work, you're a true Drengr my friend!
thank you so much!
7:04 these roof gables are still to be seen in German Lower Saxony. On older buildings they are being renewed every few decades and people who are building a new house in traditional style often add them too - these horse heads are called Hengest & Horsa.
Closer to the North Sea there is another variaton, instead of the two crossed horse heads there is a single carved beam added to the roof, these are called Wotan's head or stick, but I have seen these only on few old buildings
While listening to your section on the Norns being spinners and weavers of fate, my minds eye instantly drew up images of Sleeping beauty and Rumplestiltskin, where a fantastical spinning element is central to the story.
Those stories are very old
What better gift to mark the beginning of April than this, always a damn good day when Survive the Jive releases some content. I can scarcely think of a better predawn video to be watching as the world around me resurrects into wakefulness from its winter death dream- filling my room with the chorus of frogs and the scent of spring balsam. Makes the history in my bones being explored in this video that much more alive...
In the keralite(south indian) rigvedic tradition (among the namboothiri brahmin and Nair castes) as I observed being a part of it myself, there is a post death ritual that involves the raven. Where from year after the cremation of the dead body( the urn containing the bones could still be revered in a place outside the house with a daily oil lamp, or could have already been set off in a holy river), year after year on the day of death, rice is kept outside in a banana leaf, the ritual involves the performer (who in the first year must be a brahmin, uses incantations. From the next year's could be performed by the son/daughter of the deceased, son having precedence in the ceremonies).
The rice is then set outside, in the open in the earth, on the leaf. The bystanders wait at a distance until a black raven arrives and perches on the rice lump. All other animals except common crows and ravens are chased away.
The essence apparently being, the black raven being the deceased reborn, coming for a visit.
I do not know if this could be traced back to any rigvedic ritual.
Johan Frederik "Frits" Staal, could be a good source material if rigvedic rituals are to be used in a proto-indo european context.
Great and nuanced work 👍🏼
I understood you perfectly. If you are not a native English speaker I wouldn't be able to tell.
Was there an expression of concern, or worry, that he may not be understood? Odd to compliment someone on their English when…it wasn’t a concern to begin with.
Anglo Saxon Paganism always fascinated me...thank you for the Great detailed explanation And I love your video brother.
Better documentary than anything on Netflix, great work man. Nothing better than a few beers and a new stj video
I'm so glad Philosophy Tube gave you a shoutout, cause otherwise I wouldn't have found your great content
Sort of fascinating his video had the exact opposite effect on us than he intended lol
Never heard of philosophy tube so decided to have a look. Won't be doing it again lol, I'll stay here where I belong. 🤘
@@scythianking7315 jjve made a video on it. It wasnt really a shootout so much as him trying to insult jive in very stupid ways
@@scythianking7315 inadvertently, yea. He was tryna do a le epic takedown of a spooky alt-righter and forgot to include reasons to hate him
@@b3nzayizkoolyo He was triggered because someones tries to re-learn his culture? Without looking, he sounds like the tipical post-modern self hating anglo.
Not lying I find anglo-saxon religion way more fascinating that its norse relative.
After seeing both Videos, I now wanted the same for the Roman/Greek Pantheon and Mythology.
This Videos are a great Insight in to the History of Europe and his People.
In the northwest Iberan peninsula "there are" Trasgos. Small human like beings, wiht berets usually red, that live in farms and play tricks on the dwellers of a house.
;)
Enormous work. This should be compiled into a book. Congratulations!
A huge hard back tome would be amazing!
@@greywanderer5935 I would buy it in a heartbeat.
I agree, that would be rad.
In latvian mythology we also have a goddess Māra, who spins and weaves fates.
oh I did not know! very interesting
@@Survivethejive Made a mistake. Laima is who I meant.
Mara is a night, sleep demon in neigbouring Poland and I guess other Slavic countries. Mara nocna means literally nightly Mare, (night mare.).
In Sweden nightmare is called Mardröm, a maresdream. Mara is also connected to the underworld.
In Northern Spain we have a godess named Mari. She is kind of a complex badass mother earth.
25:07 Addition: the word "weird" is also related to the German word "werden" meaning "to become/becoming", which is related in meaning to the term "fate" as well.
The detail that you bring to your videos is astounding. Great companion to the first.
It is a true joy that those of us interested in these ideas and heritage can get such high quality information. Thank you.
35:00 "forget Lord of the Rings"
I can't recall Tolkien saying that elves had pointed ears. (I think this is a product of the films) . In fact, his portrayal of them as being almost semi divine beings, tall, shining and beautiful, fits in with your description rather well.
Especially more so in The Hobbit. I think he humanized them more in The Lord of the Rings for narrative purposes.
In computer RPG games they were depicted with pointed ears also... Before the movies were released
Now I will never use demon in a negative context again. StJ is always a learning experience.
FYI some of the daemones were negative! for eg. the chaldean oracles talks about dog daemons that try to prevent you from ascending to a higher spiritual level
I've been looking forward to this so much. Loved the first one. Amazing channel.
We need this now more than ever. Thank you for bringing this quality
documentary to us. Your work is awesome.
I rarely comment on UA-cam but man this video was amazing, I was hooked in the way you explained all this.. Please continue
Really enjoyed these two videos on Anglo Saxon Paganism. Wights are living beings? Very well researched and in depth. Thank you.
yes an animal or a man can be called a wiht but so can a supernatural being, providing it is alive
@@Survivethejive wow very interesting! So how do you define an alive spirit? Yeah, that's a weird distinction!
@@Survivethejive I've never seen anything in any Icelandic saga or other Germanic literature that mentions wights ever say humans and animals could be wights.We know that wights are supernatural beings connectrd to lands often.
@@TheWitchInTheWoods spirits are alive that's pretty much a given
Practically mortal beings (not really meaning that supernatural beings are immortal,gods can be killed too) are humans,animals and plants in that mythologies
As someone currently studying welsh mythology this is a very interesting parallel and contrast. Fantastic video as always!
I would enjoy studying Welsh mythology. My Welsh cousin's wife descended from a long line of Welsh witches. I only met her a few times. For some unknown reason, she feared me. I have a strong spirit
@@ivorwm2291 lol
I'm honored that you used the picture of the dwarf I sent from my childhood book. This video was very interesting and informative. Thank you.
informative, relevant and engaging visuals, time stamps for easy referencing, perfect as always
this is amazing content, super fascinating. I wish this was taught in school. I can see my self rewatching this many many times to absorb all this information
A fascinating two-part series. I'm looking forward to your other videos.
Another interesting video on our forebears beliefs. Keep up the good work Tom.
I just discovered your channel, and I LOVE IT!!! Super interesting!!! I very much believe we will regain our strength and ancient memory by remembering the old ways of our ancestors, and the roots of our culture and language!!! Keep up the good work!!! Much Love!!!
Great video! Imagine the discussions Tolkien had with C.S. Lewis in the Inklings.
would love to have drunk with them in Oxford
Most drugs were still legal then!!
Both were staunch Christians. Tolkien was a life--long Catholic, whereas Lewis was a well-known Chistian apologist. They may have argued the fine points, but neither was any thing close to pagan.
Nice, been waiting for this cheers Tom.
Awesome video! Keep it up. Good to see you're still monetized.
Love the graphics by the way 👌
The sequel I waited for.
Doing my best to share this vid around. Interesting, informative, engaging, and important.
This is the best historical outlet hands down
You have done some really extensive research for this. Thanks a lot for this fascinating video!
Splendid work as always lad! Much more superior and brilliant than most other pagan reconstructionist channels.
So fascinating!
This also explains a lot of the words used in the rpg Skyrim. Bonus!
Great work! Thank you!
Good video as usual Thomas. We appreciate all you do.
I loved the part about elves and barrows. There are countless places around here (southeastern Netherlands) named after them.
You gotta admire the quality and focus of the b-roll you use
Thank you for your hard work, sir. It is always appreciated.
On Pucks.. Tolkien referred to the men who lived in The Paths of the Dead as 'Pukel men'.
The way you described their morality, neither good nor bad, seems pretty apt.. Since they double crossed Isildur and then redeemed themselves to Aragorn.
I imagine the word PUCKS, refers to the old Gaelic word PÚCA ( Ghost, spirits ), pronounced, Pookah. 👍
And what was the name of one famous Hobbit Culture hero or founder figure? Bucca of the Marish!
These are really fantastic. Incredibly good content! Thank you for educating people on the rich heritage that has been stolen from them.
Southern American here with majority English Irish heritage. History here is taught mostly through an American lens and doesn't go into British history which is kind of an extension to American history, so this is really been filling the gap that we miss here. Hope your channel grows and more people find you
Exactly! I could draw all the rivers in Texas, but I learned nothing of European History.
@@ivorwm2291 This history really isn't that important to learn in school honestly. Basically think of how Mythology was its own class, and even then its the famous Greek ones. This stuff is for people who are interested in it to seek out.
Americans are more mixed really now, so why would British history be an extension to American history, even you yourself are mixed.
@@scarlett2299 They're mostly German and irish, not to mention lots of italians, slavs, jews etc. have migrated there. There's nothing British about America, least of all English.
@@fyrdman2185 This is incorrect. American identity is so entangled with the English that English ancestry is considered default or boring so there is a tendency for anyone with any other European ancestry besides English to list their ancestry as that other thing because its seen as more exotic. But if you measure anything objective like surname frequency, genetics, migration patterns and the like English ancestry predominates. Besides that, our culture is primarily English in derivation with us speaking English, having Anglo-Saxon tribal law as our legal system, having offices that have all but disappeared in England like the Sheriff among countless other things. To say that British history has nothing to with the US is really off the mark.
Thanks for your work. Very much appreciated.
In Slavic, "lug" is a meadow. Must be from the same Indo-European root as mentioned in the video in regard to sacred forest clearings.
Your one of my favourite youtube channels keep them brilliant videos coming thank you
Hey survive the jive! I just watched your video about the aryan invasion of india very interesting stuff! I wish you goodluck on your future projects since you have educated me more and made me feel more proud of my background! Keep on keeping!
Thanks for all the work and knowledge you put into these.
this tastes like a documentary. amazing video thanks for upload
Very good. Much appreciated. And ur Norse pronunciation is getting better.
Sweet as a nut, just in time for breakfast. This is a great series, Mr. Jive.
Your content is excellent! Have enjoyed it for awhile now.
Thanks for keeping our history alive in a world where they try to make us feel ashamed of being us.
Fantastic content. Your videos have given me a newfound respect for and interest in our culture and our ancestors.
The Darkness bought me here
This is fascinating! Fifty minutes passed in no time. I hope the chap wrapped in his quilt got better, he looked rough.
Obviously he has the COVID curse 🫁🐲
This is absolutely fascinating to me. I wish I had know of this history when I was in college. When able, I promise to donate. Thank you!
Amazing video! I appreciate you and your channel so much! ^.^
Coming back to refresh my memory. Thank you so much for your tireless efforts over the years
Glad you enjoyed it!
Beautifully written, visualised and orated. I loved every minute.
The more I learn about the Anglo Saxons the more I’m convinced that they were indistinguishable from the Norse. They had similar gods, a similar language, similar armor, even similar looking ships!
They were from a very close vicinity of each other. Especially in terms of Danes, Jutes, angles, Saxons and Frisians, (form the North sea coastal boot) which are quite indistinguishable in genetic terms. Norwegians and Swedes were also similar but did have differing cultural elements and are genetically distinguishable.
If you look at West European history from the neolithic age then you'll see that the British Isles have endured waves of Germanic gene-type peoples for a few millennia. When the Yamnaya invaded Northern/East Europe and pushed into Western Europe history was set to repeat over and over it seems, ending with the Viking age. Kinda sad honestly because the Vikings were the last of that culture. However, equally important the British Isles has seen countless waves of Indo-European genes, Celts included. I'm North Eastern English, total up my DNA up without much thought and I'd be 60% germanic in origin and 40% Celtic. Yet, I resemble an Indo-European. I was confused when so much of my heritage was set in Britain until I learnt about the history. Britain is a mix, just think how many times over that conflict of Anglo-Saxon and Celtic like hatred played out before eventually being forgotten as people integrated. Only then to meet the next wave of invaders.
@@UkSapyy Germanic and Celts all come from the same parent group.
As a history buff and a Scotstoun, I find this very interesting. Thanks for the series. I intend to watch this thoroughly.
Thank you.
Love you bro, keep up the fight for our people.
I love the animations you've been using!
Terrific video once again Sir, Cheers.
Excellent work as always Tom!
I am so here for this channel. I love this content. Thank you for teaching me.
Glad you enjoy it!
This has to be the best videos on Anglo-Saxon Paganism on the Internet!
I have to admit, you have changed my opinion a bit on the Anglo-Saxons. Thank you for creating an entertaining, and more importantly to me INFORMATIVE documentary
Yet another great installment. Very informative, thank you!
Glad you enjoyed it!
as odinist ourselves we really enjoy your you tube channel ,jed and keith ,new mills alfred and aldred
Great interesting history. I liked and subscribe 😊👍
Thanks for another awesome video!
Shocked and feeling very ignorant. There is so much which ties in with elements of traditional Craft belief Thank you for introducing me to my roots🙏
I love to study history and cultures your channel is a treat thank you so much
Absolutely loving the anglo saxon content. Thanks Tom!
Thanks for posting videos that are pro northern European. They are very detailed and entertaining. I've been trying to find more info on the saxons/north west Germans , strangely there's so few.
We admire all the hard work you've done to assemble these videos. Your unwavering dedication to enlighten our dumbed-down defiled modern age is commendable. You are the white light in the black darkness. Whenever I fear for the survival of Western civilization's dignity and self-knowing, I try to remember how people like you will never give up. Never despair and never surrender to the information-suppresion globalists and marxist defilers. You inspire me to be a better version of myself, while at the same time you harden my resolve and stamina, which naturally ought to be channeled toward reviving our existential meaning. And it will, for the truest fewest, that is.
Very well-spoken video as always.
And also there are springs and bridges called " da moira" (of the moor woman) said to have healing properties.
Some of my ancestors were Hollowells from Northamptonshire, their surname apparently derived from a village there, its name from "holy well", obviously pre-Christian sacred places. Great work on this docu, Mr. Rowsell, enjoyed it.