Odin Explained: Runes and Magic

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  • @Survivethejive
    @Survivethejive  9 місяців тому +39

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    • @Hadrada.
      @Hadrada. 9 місяців тому +2

      This was brilliant thanks
      If you ever have the time it would be good to do an in-depth video on Heimdall as I’ve read before that it was him who gave us the runes not Odin but Odin took up the runes, and also I’ve read before that Heimdall is a version of Odin I don’t know if that’s true?
      Anyway thanks for your video 👍🏼

    • @DynoStorm
      @DynoStorm 9 місяців тому +6

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    • @thethinredline4714
      @thethinredline4714 9 місяців тому +1

      I like that you mix in the esoteric aspects of the religion in to your analysis it gives a much better understanding

    • @colorpg152
      @colorpg152 9 місяців тому

      the mixture of hermes and odin was superficial one made for propaganda purposes because relating him to zeus would have the opposite effect since the german tribe allied with the roman had affinity for hermes, also your badmouthing of Prometheus was insufferable.

    • @Survivethejive
      @Survivethejive  9 місяців тому +1

      @@colorpg152 The Germanic people adopted a Roman week of their own accord and it spread to all Germanic peoples and all of them voluntarily equated Odin with Mercury's day so no it was not merely "propaganda purposes"

  • @musamba101
    @musamba101 9 місяців тому +214

    My great uncle was the last bard (troubadour as they called themselves) in our family. He could sing his songs in perfect Medieval Spanish rhyme all night long. He could sing about anything and everything. I am very glad I was able to be witness to that dying world! My maternal ancestors were Canarians that ended up in the Caribbean some 300 years ago, but isolated themselves and preserved the culture (until the roads opened up the hills where they were from in the early 1950's).

    • @jmaaybraak
      @jmaaybraak 9 місяців тому +11

      Oh wow. I'd have loved to have been so lucky! I'm sure u will always honor his memory.

    • @musamba101
      @musamba101 9 місяців тому

      I didn't know how lucky I was since I was just a kid back then, but I do know now. @@jmaaybraak

    • @skeletorlikespotatoes7846
      @skeletorlikespotatoes7846 9 місяців тому +2

      Anyway I could find information on this ? And gather it? I want to become the same

    • @dentkort
      @dentkort 9 місяців тому +2

      ​@@williampatrick8814Onto what? Most of his theories are wrong. His only redeeming trait was being based.

    • @thethinredline4714
      @thethinredline4714 9 місяців тому +8

      very cool, you should carry on the tradition

  • @TheBlahman3
    @TheBlahman3 9 місяців тому +72

    "WHO IS WODEN" was my first Survive The Jive video and was a major step in my journey to Asatru. It's definitely my favorite video of yours, and I've shown it to quite a few people.

  • @lairdkilbarchan
    @lairdkilbarchan 9 місяців тому +113

    I imagine the earliest runes would have been carved in wood and have long since decomposed, making the subsequent surviving earliest stone carved runes appear as if the already established writing system they used suddenly appeared out of thin air.

    • @Survivethejive
      @Survivethejive  9 місяців тому +44

      quite so

    • @lairdkilbarchan
      @lairdkilbarchan 9 місяців тому +3

      @@Survivethejive Yeah, thought as much. 🥸👍

    • @belstar1128
      @belstar1128 9 місяців тому +10

      even a lot of the stone ones have probably been eroded by now we got very little left from the pre Cristian world

    • @copperlemon1
      @copperlemon1 9 місяців тому +16

      There's also the consideration that a lot of possible inscriptions on bronze, silver, and gold may have been destroyed when the objects were melted down or otherwise reworked for other uses.

    • @whitemakesright2177
      @whitemakesright2177 7 місяців тому +6

      ​​@@copperlemon1 Yeah, that's a good point that often gets overlooked. We tend to think of these metals as having great longevity, and they do, but they are so valuable that they often get cannibalized for other uses.

  • @kighzerlankmann8113
    @kighzerlankmann8113 9 місяців тому +79

    It’s such a lonely path to be a Pagan in the US, your videos help. Thank you.

    • @JethroBulmer
      @JethroBulmer 9 місяців тому +24

      Cutting ties with abrahamism can be quite difficult here

    • @farzanamughal5933
      @farzanamughal5933 9 місяців тому +2

      What does being a pagan involve

    • @kighzerlankmann8113
      @kighzerlankmann8113 9 місяців тому +2

      @@farzanamughal5933 Honoring the Old Gods. I mainly read the Poetic Edda, Perform blots and pray. I bet its different for every pagan.

    • @denisla3546
      @denisla3546 8 місяців тому +7

      ​@kighzerlankmann8113 Problem with solo paganism is that ancestral pagans would practice their beliefs in a community and in a way of life , paganisam is not only a religion its a way of life. Paganism is all-encompassing practice

    • @kighzerlankmann8113
      @kighzerlankmann8113 7 місяців тому +2

      @@denisla3546 yeah i agree, i would love to have a community but it ain’t easy to find.

  • @A_Koenig
    @A_Koenig 9 місяців тому +61

    The basic pattern of Hermes/Mercury is movement. He is the messenger of the Olympian Gods, i.e. he travels between the realms of immortals and mortals. He also accompanies souls on their way to the afterlife. This pattern is also behind his popular symbols, the winged sandals (fast travel), the wide brimmed hat (worn by travelers as protection against the sun) and the Caduceus (sign of a messenger). He is therefore also the God of travellers and merchants (also thiefs, as a matter of fact). Communication and speech are his second main attribute because they are linked to his role as a bringer of messages and as a connector of different spheres (divine/human/underworld). Since the mind was conceived of as internal speech, he also becomes associated with intelligence, memory, wit and later philosophy. Just from these attributes you can see a lot of parallels with Odhinn, mainly a gift for speech, travelling, the wide brimmed hat, the staff and a general air of craftiness or secrecy. An interesting thing about the identification of Wotan and Mercury is its early date, far predating the Eddic poetry. So the association of Wotan with language or magical speech is obviously pretty ancient.

    • @SonsoftheEagle
      @SonsoftheEagle 9 місяців тому +2

      The knight. As on a chess board , he's the only one allowed to move through dimensions.

    • @Shin_Lona
      @Shin_Lona 9 місяців тому +2

      It's interesting when comparing Thoth, as well - in the composite of Trismegistus. There are parallels with Odin here that aren't really found associated with Hermes / Mercury. These being written language and knowledge in general, plus the connection to magic. I've always considered the role of psychopomp to be the primary unifying aspect.
      Trismegistus was a Greco-Egyptian synthesis, so I'm not sure to what degree that would have influenced the Roman counterpart - especially since it was a later development, becoming prominent in the Alexandrian period of Egypt. Presumably, Mercurius was well established at this point. The Egyptians also don't share the common Indo-European root, so the correlations suggest there is something inherent within the archetypes found within the pantheons of various cultures. A god that brings knowledge to humanity is certainly a figure found in many ancient civilizations. This is a rather curious mystery, that some have linked to a common experience, shared by geographically distant cultures, in our remote past.

    • @thomsonmaclean2041
      @thomsonmaclean2041 8 місяців тому

      I agree. Mercury, Odin Wodin Wednesday. Also Zeus, Je Zeus, Jesus, Jupiter.

  • @FelixGWilliams
    @FelixGWilliams 9 місяців тому +34

    Busy writing my latest medieval history article today, and now I can watch the latest STJ video when I take a break. Blessed by the gods! 🙏

  • @AA-em3yx
    @AA-em3yx 8 місяців тому +17

    In Tengrism there is also a world tree that reaches from the underworld into the starry sky and on which a priest figure hangs

    • @freehatespeech6804
      @freehatespeech6804 7 місяців тому

      That's really interesting, thanks for sharing that information

    • @ArnavSharma-bj4ct
      @ArnavSharma-bj4ct 3 місяці тому

      Tengris are a copy of afanasievo or probably the afanasievo became their elites

    • @AA-em3yx
      @AA-em3yx 3 місяці тому +2

      @@ArnavSharma-bj4ct No, the afansievo were conquered by turkic people and mixed with them. they were not the elites.

    • @jihangirastra3851
      @jihangirastra3851 25 днів тому

      What primary sources detail the worldview of Tengrism?

  • @LearnHittite
    @LearnHittite 9 місяців тому +25

    Fantastic way to begin the weekend! Thanks for your great content. 🍻

  • @KonservativLeben
    @KonservativLeben 9 місяців тому +27

    Absolutely lovely, your editing is on point!
    Respect and best wishes from Germany :]

  • @breakaleg10
    @breakaleg10 9 місяців тому +21

    Between you and Creaganford, this is very interesting to learn how the old Germanic peoples reasoned and thought. We might never know exactly how they lived but we know a lot more today than when these studies started, which is true of almost all science and humanities.

  • @skiveman
    @skiveman 9 місяців тому +10

    Well I sat down for a quick listen to see what the video is about and lo and behold I'm now at the end. Shows you just how entertaining and informative this was.

  • @thomassugg5621
    @thomassugg5621 9 місяців тому +20

    Always looking forward to your videos 😁 they are always really interesting and insightful. Greetings from Essex

    • @margotishrn
      @margotishrn 9 місяців тому +1

      Oi OI! 😎👍

    • @cemersoy-el1ns
      @cemersoy-el1ns 7 місяців тому +2

      Essex pagans 💪🏻🔥

    • @margotishrn
      @margotishrn 7 місяців тому +1

      @@cemersoy-el1ns greetings from another Essex pagan! 👍

  • @websurfer5772
    @websurfer5772 5 місяців тому +2

    When I choose the runes from a bag they are very accurate to my situation. They say, "Stand Still" and "This is the winter of your life" and "I can of my own self do nothing," and "Protection." I'm disabled and bedridden and I get these same runes all the time, even before I became this disabled, decades ago. Other people pick from my bag and get different runes that give more promising forecasts for themselves which fits their lives.

  • @nachtwandeling1237
    @nachtwandeling1237 9 місяців тому +12

    1:33 Same. I watched that video many times. It's very informative and the last part with the atmospheric music while suggesting the Odinic trinity preceded the Christian one makes it very based.

  • @ZerilathImmortal
    @ZerilathImmortal 9 місяців тому +25

    I think this is the closest practical explanation of what is the Germanic mystery school. Thank you

  • @albertito77
    @albertito77 9 місяців тому +7

    28:18 when Othin shrieks whole taking up the runes I imagine Goku powering up.

  • @GodsDogICXC
    @GodsDogICXC 9 місяців тому +4

    I think it’s one of the videos that got people into you though, more so than being your best video. Amazing work and documentary! Game looks good too, going to support them.

  • @GingerNuts361-ny4qp
    @GingerNuts361-ny4qp 5 місяців тому +1

    I’m glad you explained this, I’ve been wanting to understand just this topic for quite some time

  • @bobbyg5154
    @bobbyg5154 9 місяців тому +6

    Can’t wait for the courses! Thanks for all you do!

  • @douglashibma1688
    @douglashibma1688 9 місяців тому +3

    I've come to the understanding that the Greek Hermes, Roman Mercury, Egyptian Thoth, and Biblical Enoch, are all one and the same person. I had never considered that Odin was within the realm of possibilities for comparison. Quite an interesting subject to study.

    • @SungazerDNB
      @SungazerDNB 9 місяців тому

      It's a hypothesis. Don't mistake it for an understanding. Happy researching!

  • @heikkijhautanen4576
    @heikkijhautanen4576 9 місяців тому +10

    Hail Odin and Wotan!!!

  • @scaldedape6213
    @scaldedape6213 9 місяців тому +4

    Psycopomp, Hanged God, Lord of the Draugr and the Wild Hunt. Wayfarer, wanderer, beggar, King.
    I read a book recently called The Hanged God by Shani Oates. I dont know much about the author and I tend to dismiss left hand path beliefs; but i thought her theory how the act of hanging criminals in America was tied to old Odinic tradition was very interesting. Pulling someone up from the ground by a rope thats been tossed over a tree branch as a way to suspend them between "here" and "there." Leaving them suspended to be judged by the Hanged God, or lord of the dead. She also mentioned older examples where corpses would have wooden chips with inscribed runes placed in their mouths so that they would be forced to speak to the Hanged God.

  • @runemasterhariwulfaz5267
    @runemasterhariwulfaz5267 9 місяців тому +6

    I think another interesting connection between Odin, galdr, and the runes is his gift to Ask and Embla, Ønd (breath/soul). There is an obvious linguistic connection between breath and soul. But galdr or song is nothing but specialized breathe, exhalation. By breathing a certain controlled way you craft a galdr, essentially. I don’t think the connection is a coincidence, perhaps the gift of galdr to man was a refinement of his first gift.

  • @TenkaFubu
    @TenkaFubu 9 місяців тому +2

    Extremely interesting! Thank you for this and for spreading your knowledge

  • @anglishoutlander162
    @anglishoutlander162 9 місяців тому +12

    I see Woden's sacrifice as him sacrificing himself to his higher form.

    • @slynt_
      @slynt_ 7 місяців тому

      The Ubermensch :)

    • @Arnsteel634
      @Arnsteel634 6 місяців тому

      I found it similar to how a person has to make sacrafices to gain success at things in life. I had to work hard sacrificing my time and energy to build a company or pay my way through school, etc.

    • @wulfsorenson8859
      @wulfsorenson8859 5 місяців тому +3

      @@Arnsteel634no Odin’s sacrifice was shamanic - it was an initiation. Not the same as you creating a company 🙄

    • @Arnsteel634
      @Arnsteel634 5 місяців тому +2

      @@wulfsorenson8859 I agree it was shamanistic. But the analogy still applies. You sacrifice part of yourself now for something later

  • @Patrick-lu7gd
    @Patrick-lu7gd 9 місяців тому +2

    Great video! Good point about Aesir being galdra smiths, I had not heard that before. According to Havamal it may be galdr is associated with walking through nature, I usually pray when on nature walks. The word rune may refer to whispered galdr, in SOng of Roland Ganelon whispered a sort of prayer to his sword. The song of roland was maybe a galdr to inculcate certain values in the French.

  • @yaaklynx56
    @yaaklynx56 9 місяців тому +6

    I think you are exactly right about this. The runes and the knowledge contained therein are much older than the written form. I am fascinated by the idea that speaking a rune is what activates its empowerment. After all, what is speech or language but a way to bring forth the abstract( thought) into the concrete reality?

  • @CharlesGriffith-j4q
    @CharlesGriffith-j4q 9 місяців тому +3

    Stephen Flowers (Edred Thorsson) in his work makes it clear that galdr is an inherent quality of the runes, and that Odin gained galdr at the same time as he gained the runes ("I took up the runes, screaming I took them, then fell back again") That scream was the first galdr!

  • @stevenjohnson5126
    @stevenjohnson5126 8 місяців тому

    Hi Tom,
    one of the first videos I watched of yours was one which featured the Buxted Yew, my father was born in Buxted although we live 10 miles away, so I took my family for a wander over there. I later found that my great grandfather was buried in the church grounds so I went to look for his grave, which we found damaged and overgrown with grass, I then took the headstone home and cleaned it up and brought it back to the church yard.
    After refitting the stone I sat and pondered the site of the tree and the people who had visited it to worship, which then led me down the path of paganism and metaphysics. So just wanted to say thank you for your work and you never know what kind of reverberations something as simple as an educational video can have for people.

  • @FindTheTruthBeforeTheEnd
    @FindTheTruthBeforeTheEnd 9 місяців тому +12

    Hey that game looks pretty cool. Not even lying.

    • @87stevan
      @87stevan 9 місяців тому +5

      Was that a picture of Yuval Noah Harari used for one of the bad guys??..or am I seeing things. Lol. Oh the Jews aren't going to like that one. xD

    • @rolandmoritz9304
      @rolandmoritz9304 9 місяців тому

      Dev of the game here, it was ;) @@87stevan

  • @jamesm9560
    @jamesm9560 9 місяців тому +3

    This was a true scholarly feat. Thank you for making it and keeping these stories and myths and facts alive.

  • @Mjölnir-þ
    @Mjölnir-þ 9 місяців тому +2

    Really good to see you uploading more frequently tom
    You don't have to do to much editing. Just record yourself talking in front of camera and give us the knowledge and information. You are really great

  • @david-jr5fn
    @david-jr5fn 9 місяців тому +6

    The Irish have parallels to these three types of knowledge, the runes and the ogham alpherebet, the mead and the hazelnuts of knowledge and these incantations are simply called poetry in irish mythologies

    • @MargaretYoung-ud8xy
      @MargaretYoung-ud8xy 9 місяців тому +1

      Don't forget Fion and the juices ( blood?) Of the salmon and knowledge.
      Or Donn and the wild hunt.

  • @ayublack9445
    @ayublack9445 9 місяців тому +6

    Again another high quality video both in regards to content and quality. I liked the short summary of the Wotan as skyfather argument and given the "functions" or roles he plays, it makes a lot of sense. I still find it weird how Tyr ethymologically seems to just mean "god". I've seen Ziu mentioned in alemannic sources and i still can't figure out who it refers to, is it the alemannic name for Tyr? Is it Wotan or maybe a different god?
    On another note, very excited to see what you're brewing up with the heathen beginner course! I have several friends in mind who would find it helpful, though not all understand english well. Have you ever thought about adding german translations/subtitles to it?
    Thanks for all you do and gods bless

    • @Survivethejive
      @Survivethejive  9 місяців тому +1

      Several vids have german subtitles

    • @ayublack9445
      @ayublack9445 9 місяців тому +1

      @@Survivethejive i was more thinking about your upcoming online course. though i'm sure that would be a lot of work, so just wondering if it's a consideration for the future

  • @penapenkki
    @penapenkki 9 місяців тому +1

    Hah, I was about to write a comment about the Finnish "runo" and it's possible connection to Galdr, but you beat me to it. Great video as always, keep up the good work!

  • @PocketSandMan
    @PocketSandMan 9 місяців тому +3

    Just because at some point somebody wrote down runes doesn't mean that they weren't given the information from something divine.

  • @RyanTucker-r5d
    @RyanTucker-r5d 9 місяців тому +3

    Let’s not forget that Apollo at one time was also associated with Mercury in Greece before he was associated with the Sun. The way Mercury travels through the sky confused the Greeks (at first) therefore making them think it was a different planet from the Mercury they seen at night. Therefore Apollo was its day aspect and Hermes was it’s night aspect.

    • @Survivethejive
      @Survivethejive  9 місяців тому +8

      Apollo also formerly had a mannerbund and wolf association

    • @RyanTucker-r5d
      @RyanTucker-r5d 9 місяців тому +4

      @@Survivethejive definitely and ravens are sacred to him as well. I think Odin’s missing eye may be symbolism of a Solar Cult or Black Sun Cult

    • @farfandelosgodos1681
      @farfandelosgodos1681 9 місяців тому +1

      Apollo is linked with Baldr.

    • @chrysocolapteserythrocepha5915
      @chrysocolapteserythrocepha5915 9 місяців тому +1

      Odin is similar to Welnos (the night-sky god counterpart of Dyeus [Tyr] i.e. day-sky god), Veles, Velnias, Velns, Varuna, Ouranos, and Dionysus.

    • @RyanTucker-r5d
      @RyanTucker-r5d 9 місяців тому +2

      @@chrysocolapteserythrocepha5915 yes I 100% agree. He’s also very very similiar to Rudra-Shiva. Odin is the meeting of opposites like Dionysus as you said.

  • @AlasdairXV
    @AlasdairXV 9 місяців тому +4

    Norman bowlcut arc over, if you walked around with a north face jacket on with that hair people would confuse you for an irishman.

  • @loganus9114
    @loganus9114 9 місяців тому +4

    If Odin is Divine extasy or frency, then he is also akin to DIONYSUS.

  • @danielryan570
    @danielryan570 9 місяців тому

    It is both striking and fascinating that Wodan in some form seems to pre date the Norse pantheon and go way way back as you say.
    Fan of your channel, keep up the insightful work and defending the English, its greatly appreciated

  • @belstar1128
    @belstar1128 9 місяців тому +4

    never forget your ancestors never forget their struggle to create a better world for us

  • @SlaveOfDevas
    @SlaveOfDevas 9 місяців тому +2

    Rudra the vedic god is said to be the patron god of the vratyas a mannerbund group similar to the ulfhednar.(Source: atharvaveda 15:1)
    And considering that both odinn and rudra in their root mean rage and fury makes me believe that they are connected to each other

  • @jameymartin5009
    @jameymartin5009 9 місяців тому +1

    In the Havamal it is said that Woden looked "down to the depths" as he hung upon the Tree (Truth), of which no man knows where its roots run (even though we do know where a few run). It is further said that Woden did this for nine days and nine nights before he took up the runes with a roaring scream.
    Now, according to Hesiod,
    "For a brazen anvil falling down from heaven nine nights and days would reach the earth upon the tenth: and again, a brazen anvil falling from earth nine nights and days would reach Tartarus upon the tenth."
    Woden looked down to the very foundation of reality, and while he discovered that the Tree was ultimately rooted in Ginnungagap/Chaos, he did not reject it. Rather he (had already) embraced it and now invigorated it.

  • @mupsoftaren
    @mupsoftaren 8 місяців тому +1

    The thing about writing and music is something Plato is infamous for. In Phaedrus he criticizes writing and in Book 7 of Laws he dictates how music (religious chants) should be tightly controlled and taught to children at a young age (even the womb). (Also the Anubis-Thoth parallel, as aspects of Osiris/Zeus, to Odin and Hermes.)

  • @paolosasso2189
    @paolosasso2189 7 місяців тому +1

    Appreciate the discussion of galdr

  • @loganus9114
    @loganus9114 9 місяців тому +4

    Odin personifies the interaction between the Niolithic Farmers who entered Gaul, Germania and the British isles, for like HERMES, who is the Son of ZEUS, the Celts, Germans and British are the Children of the Niolithic Farmers, the Anatolians, Mediterraneans, Indo-Europeans.
    Odin is indeed THOTH, HERMES and MERCURY.
    THOTH is the Egyptian HERMES, and as we know, Scotia established Scotland, yet another possible indication of how HERMES aka THOTH, is Wotan-Odin!

    • @Survivethejive
      @Survivethejive  9 місяців тому +1

      Germanic people have among the least EEF ancestry of all Europeans

    • @loganus9114
      @loganus9114 9 місяців тому +4

      @@Survivethejive Then how did they acquire farming, if not by the direct tutelage of Niolithic, Mediterranean Farmers?
      R1a and b, actually has it's roots in the Middle East, under Haplogroup R1A, so that whole Yamnaya Russo agenda is quite overtaxed and overly inflated.
      The Niolithic Farmers passed on their farming ways to the Germans, Celts and core Europeans like Greeks and Romans (Italians), also remember, Cattle Domestication comes from the Fertile Crescent aka Anatolia, home of Indo European languages.
      The Niolithic Farmer, Mediterranean expansion is supported by the fact that Odin is HERMES-THOTH.

    • @aidanmcmillan-dx8lq
      @aidanmcmillan-dx8lq 9 місяців тому

      He is referencing genetic studies I am sure, rather than speculation which seems to be what you are doing. @@loganus9114

  • @macraghneall6883
    @macraghneall6883 9 місяців тому +2

    what a gem of a video. so informative.

  • @thegrymwolf6360
    @thegrymwolf6360 9 місяців тому +1

    Amazing work as always Tom!

  • @wolfenhauz
    @wolfenhauz 9 місяців тому +2

    I'd love to hear your take on Jason Reza Jorjani's Prometheanism after this one

    • @zaciroth
      @zaciroth 2 місяці тому

      Yeah I have a lot to say about him and that faith he is making up.

  • @albertito77
    @albertito77 9 місяців тому

    Thanks

  • @mver191
    @mver191 3 місяці тому +1

    I came to the same conclusion about Tyr after learning about the Armenian Mihr :
    "Together with the Vedic common noun mitra, the Avestan common noun miθra derives from Proto-Indo-Iranian *mitrám (Mitra), from the root *mi- "to bind", with the "tool suffix" -tra- "causing to". Thus, etymologically mitra/miθra means "that which causes binding", preserved in the Avestan word for "Covenant, Contract, Oath".
    In Middle Iranian languages (Middle Persian, Parthian etc.), miθra became mihr, from which New Persian مهر mehr and Armenian Միհր Mihr and Մհեր Mher ultimately derive."
    Mithras->Mihr->Tyr
    The etymology and attributes of Mithra also fit the stories and attributes of Tyr. We know he had something to do with binding people together and as overseer of the "t(h)ing" where contracts/agreements were made and justice was spoken, just like Mithra :
    "Mithra (Avestan: 𐬨𐬌𐬚𐬭𐬀 Miθra, Old Persian: 𐎷𐎰𐎼 Miθra) is an ancient Iranian deity of covenants, light, oaths, justice, the Sun, contracts, and friendship. In addition to being the divinity of contracts, Mithra is also a judicial figure, an all-seeing protector of Truth (Asha), and the guardian of cattle, the harvest, and the Waters."
    It also makes sense on a linguistic level. The Iranic root "mi-" is to bind, the Germanic version of it is "ti-", from which we have words like "to tie" in English.
    In Dutch for example "aantijgen" is to tie/bind somebody to a crime for example (aan = to, tijgen = tie).
    The next point is that the Armenian Mihr kind of had the same status in the pantheon :
    "Mihr - Cognate with the Iranian Mithra. God of the sun and light, son of Aramazd, the brother of Anahit and Nane. Historically, despite his high place in the pantheon, worship of Mihr was eclipsed by Vahagn."
    Vahagn can be equated to Thor/Donar :
    "Vahagn - A "k'aj" (brave). Etymologically derived from Iranian Verethragna (via Vahram -> Vram -> Vam + -agn). The storm god and dragon slayer, identified with the Greek Hercules."
    This eclipse of worship of Tyr by Thor seemed to be happening in Europe as well.
    The next point is that the Anatolians had a god that is very clearly linked to the Sky Father root : Sius.
    Linking Tyr to the same root makes no sense at all and is linguistically far fetched.
    Linking Tyr to Mihr and Mithra makes all the sense.

  • @joarGyjuRanar
    @joarGyjuRanar 8 місяців тому +1

    Fionn Mac Cumhaill swims tbe lake of Birog where he is aged to an old man and drinks from a cup that renews him but keeps his gray hair as a testament. He drops his cup and it grows out a sacred tree.

  • @davidconnellan6875
    @davidconnellan6875 9 місяців тому +1

    You should look into Irish folk tales. Tricksters are always the heroes of the stories.

  • @MS-Melas
    @MS-Melas 9 місяців тому +1

    Fantastic video, as always Tom!

  • @EmperorCaligula_EC
    @EmperorCaligula_EC 9 місяців тому +3

    Yeah I always had my doubt about the Tyr-Skyfather theory, for Tyr has no myth that even remotely hint that.
    Ah Wotan. My first approach and... "contact" decades ago. A God unlike ANY OTHER in the world. I really enjoy your channel, you are so educated in many areas. Sometimes Asatru tend to know not so much outside their own ways, alas. Being a historian and Pagan too, I appreciate you "wearing two hats". For many it is difficult to understand how one lives in "both worlds", and accepts the ambivalence of not demanding "one truth", but a worldly truth and a spiritual truth.
    Still note mentioning that Prometheus act of betraying the order of the Gods was born out of benevolence towards man, and not of evil intent, and hence his suffering finally ended through the act of Heracles, son of Zeus.
    As to the Runes, it may be entirely accidental, but when I studied Canaanite Polytheism, many letters looks a lot of Canaanite (Phoenician) letters. Maybe look it up.

    • @slynt_
      @slynt_ 7 місяців тому

      All later European alphabets come from the Phonecian one via Greek, as far as I'm aware.

  • @antonyreyn
    @antonyreyn 9 місяців тому +2

    Jive did you know Stephen Pollington has a new book Odin the first thousand years? Cheers from Mercia

  • @meduseld6610
    @meduseld6610 9 місяців тому +1

    Perhaps you could argue that Odin in his human/shamanistic form is obediant to Odin the Alfather. A sacrifice of "myself to myself" is Odin the Shaman giving tribute to his highest, Third form Odin the Alfather in order to divine the esoteric knowledge that belongs to Third

    • @Survivethejive
      @Survivethejive  9 місяців тому

      Sort of what i said in the first video

  • @dougmaisner
    @dougmaisner 9 місяців тому +1

    I love the new merch. How do the shirts run? A little small, a little big for their size?

    • @howareyoualiveifyoudonteatbeef
      @howareyoualiveifyoudonteatbeef 9 місяців тому +1

      I imagine it's Chinese manufacturing... So I would assume the sizes are smaller.

    • @dougmaisner
      @dougmaisner 9 місяців тому

      @@howareyoualiveifyoudonteatbeef At this point better China manufacturing than clown world lol

  • @BasedSaxon
    @BasedSaxon 9 місяців тому +3

    Yes. Epic video as always. I will be a patron . Epic work tom 👍

  • @slynt_
    @slynt_ 7 місяців тому +1

    The possibility of a connection between Odinic cult and the Hellenic esoteric tradition of Hermeticism is very interesting. I'm interested in Hermeticism because of how much of a well-developed and preserved form of pagan esotericism it is, which is unusual.

    • @Survivethejive
      @Survivethejive  7 місяців тому +3

      Maybe no earthly connection but pertaining to the same metaphysical reality

  • @badmen1550
    @badmen1550 9 місяців тому

    My favorite insight into the legend of Odin was by the late great English author Colin Wilson.
    Odin gave one of his eyes to Fricka, in exchange for the power of the Law. He sacrificed a part of his spiritual vision in order to manifest his will in the earthly realm.
    He sacrificed himself to himself, his higher self, in order to become more than man.
    Such is the power of the runes.

    • @Survivethejive
      @Survivethejive  9 місяців тому

      I am a fan of Wilson but never knew he wrote about Odin. Where does he do this? odin never gave his eye to Freyja

    • @badmen1550
      @badmen1550 9 місяців тому

      ⁠​⁠@@SurvivethejiveHere you go, this is from Wilson’s Religion And The Rebel (in which he’s referencing Richard Wagner’s Ring of the Nibelung):
      *”Readers who know Wagner’s music drama will remember the story of how Wotan, the Leader of the Gods, gives away one of his eyes in exchange for Fricka. Fricka brings him, as her dowry, all the forces of the Law.
      Wotan is the pure force of creativeness; he is the poet, the visionary, the idealist, the man of genius through whose dreams and visions all civilization advances. He is a clear mirror in which the Will of the Life Force is reflected. But as a visionary, he has no practical power; his visions stay in his own brain. That is why he needs the alliance with Fricka, who brings him the power of the Law-the power to put his visions into practice. But in exchange for Fricka, he has to give away one of his eyes: that is to say, the man of pure genius has to compromise when he wants power to put his ideals into action.”*
      In the same section Wilson also discusses “mimesis” (memory? Memir?) as being one of the themes of Wagner’s Ring cycle. But you may be right, there could be some of Wagner’s and Wilson’s own creative license being taken here.

  • @francescowolfskin6795
    @francescowolfskin6795 8 місяців тому +24

    Total support from Italy 🔥🇮🇹 eternal Glory to Pagan and white Europe 🏛🔥⚔

    • @romelos222
      @romelos222 3 місяці тому +1

      🇳🇱 ❤️💪🏻

    • @stargatis
      @stargatis 3 місяці тому +1

      Pagans aren’t always white❤

  • @rich5774
    @rich5774 9 місяців тому

    Great vid. Will deffinetly look out for your course

  • @HeroicIdeal
    @HeroicIdeal 9 місяців тому

    Excellent video!

  • @jameymartin5009
    @jameymartin5009 9 місяців тому +1

    The notion of the Skyfather was antiquated when the RgVedas were young, and within that context absolutely pale before the references to the "King of Heaven", ie. Indra. Even in Greek mythos, "Father Sky" is Uranus while Zeus is the "King of Heaven". While the King of Heaven certainly possesses many of the attributes of the Skyfather, and so we see these in Woden, the closest figure in the Eddas to a Skyfther is Delling or Dag.

  • @FoundingStockNZ
    @FoundingStockNZ 9 місяців тому

    Great video, thanks.

  • @arngrimandersen5690
    @arngrimandersen5690 3 місяці тому +1

    Druder is from the Cellt , Odin( the guy have 100 name) is a german thing way befor the vikings we found things in Denmark from , 500 AD same time was the Deer danser , is so wild man , sorry my English are not 100%

  • @loganus9114
    @loganus9114 9 місяців тому +2

    HERMES (Odin) has rulership over the North -West, precisely the location of the Celtic and Germanic people, if we use Delphi as the axis.

  • @hansspadvii
    @hansspadvii 9 місяців тому +2

    Thank you so much.

  • @generaldingus344
    @generaldingus344 9 місяців тому +4

    Hermes Trismugistus gets around

  • @chrysocolapteserythrocepha5915
    @chrysocolapteserythrocepha5915 9 місяців тому +1

    Odin (Wotan) is similar to Welnos (the night-sky god counterpart of Dyeus [Tyr] i.e. day-sky god), Veles, Velnias, Velns, Varuna, Ouranos, and Dionysus.

  • @thegreatgriff
    @thegreatgriff 9 місяців тому +2

    I think you were right to say that the Futhark runes might have been influenced by the Etruscans - the runes are very reminiscent of the Etruscan script; the people of Etruscan origin who would become the Rhaeti must have taken their script with them from northern Italy on their migration to the Germanic world. Makes sense then that the syncretism between Rhaeti/Etruscan and native Germanic elites would birth Futhark.

    • @Survivethejive
      @Survivethejive  9 місяців тому

      Regardless of which script it comes from, it is unlikely to have anything to do with a migration to the Germanic world

  • @evaldasd2907
    @evaldasd2907 5 місяців тому

    Some suggestions what the first line at # 138 Haavaamaal could indicate and what clues it might lit:
    "Veit ek at ek hekk vindga meidi a"
    "Do i know that i hung on a windy tree (meidi)"
    Do i,are rhetorical and shows a dreamy shamanic state of mind.
    Windy,picture a horisontal sway,latitude or the earth equatorial orbit.
    Meidi,might aswell be a pyramide the tree of life,since its the only time its in use at the sagas and old norse.
    The twelve counsil might points to the months,the Zodiacs of 2160 years in its 25920 years of orbit

  • @Birkarl_
    @Birkarl_ 9 місяців тому +4

    Runo in Finnish means poem, runous, poetry

    • @Birkarl_
      @Birkarl_ 9 місяців тому +4

      Moden Finnish that is

    • @zaciroth
      @zaciroth 2 місяці тому

      Runa / Rune is mystery in Germanic.

  • @thethinredline4714
    @thethinredline4714 9 місяців тому +1

    GOOD ANALYSIS

  • @merlingeikie
    @merlingeikie 6 місяців тому

    Yahl in Viking times was a 'sea king' who did not rule land but was sea born.

  • @ElenaZuDietuer
    @ElenaZuDietuer 3 дні тому

    Brilliant!

  • @martinbowman1993
    @martinbowman1993 9 місяців тому

    I think each rune represents a myth and in a way they have mundane purpose but also a sacred purpose in that they help order the myths from Audhumla to Thor defeating Hrungnir.

  • @KevinArdala01
    @KevinArdala01 8 місяців тому

    Re: the King Arthur short you made... There's an interesting lecture on UA-cam by philologist and historian Andrew Breeze that goes into quite compelling detail about the origins of King Arthur. It's worth the watch and I'd be interested to hear what you thought about it, it's quite a bit different from the general, conventional, narrative. (His book on the same topic is due to be released on Uppsala Press.)

  • @CharlieNorth425
    @CharlieNorth425 9 місяців тому +2

    Do you have a preference between subscribe star or patreon? Is one better for you than the other?

  • @Wikihouse_History
    @Wikihouse_History 9 місяців тому

    great work

  • @SummonYourInnerViking
    @SummonYourInnerViking 2 місяці тому

    Bless Wöden, I'd pluck my own eye out for Rune Magic. Gugnïr is a Special Spear I'd like to behold one day. 🤝🏻⚡⚒️☘️

  • @lyonz42
    @lyonz42 9 місяців тому +1

    Do you draw any similarities between Hermes having a Caduceus with two snakes and Odin having Gugnir with two ravens (Huginn | Muninn)?
    I would assume having a staff or spear of any kind would represent authority, like a modern scepter, but is there any (historical | mythological) significance in the pairing of familiar-esque animals?

  • @Hadrada.
    @Hadrada. 9 місяців тому +6

    Odin

  • @Rher_the_Moon
    @Rher_the_Moon 9 місяців тому

    The only thing I'm curious about is if Galdr related to the oral interpretation of written works. Most of the worlds surviving religions teach you "how to read the text" through spiritual leaders and it sounds like the Runes and Galdr were performed simultaneously. I bring this up as a distinction from Galdr just being songs used in a pre-writing era for remembering information.

  • @Dabutormu
    @Dabutormu 8 місяців тому +1

    Heathen researchers re-interpreting ancient sources is the mythological equivalent of experimental archeology. Gotta live it first to really understand it

  • @Metta33
    @Metta33 9 місяців тому

    Thankyou. Very interesting.

  • @KevinArdala01
    @KevinArdala01 Місяць тому

    A wanderer; seeker/holder of secret knowledge; frenzy; died and resurrected (on tree); trickster; and enthuses and encourages his followers, but when he no longer has use for them, or they've exceeded his need, he leads them them to their demise - all of this sounds like Dionysus to me. I wonder whether the origins of Dionysus are much earlier, foreign, and more obscure that previously thought; and that his later, Greek, joyous, rituals don't represent the mood of the original cult.

  • @VasiliosBakagias
    @VasiliosBakagias 9 місяців тому +2

    Hail Odin!

  • @borntowar5581
    @borntowar5581 9 місяців тому +2

    What if Odin is actually Saturn/ Kronos cos his son is the StrormGod who kind took over from Pops? Some Greek sources say Kronos became governor of part of the Underworld.

  • @slightlytwistedagain
    @slightlytwistedagain 9 місяців тому +5

    Is that a green Yuval Noah Harari from the WEF? If so, hahahaha.

  • @eb282
    @eb282 9 місяців тому

    Comparative theology always sounds like a discussion comparing Marvel to DC to me.
    Perhaps a more fitting translation of Oden is “trance one” or “the entranced one” or “the one who is capable of achieving a trance like state in themselves but also giving it to others”. The role of a shaman is to do this same thing, achieve trance in themselves and others. Drinking mead, chanting & reading could all be perceived as trance like states. Imagine being an unlettered person at the time and watching an elite person go completely still and entranced at the sight of runes and then they come out of it knowing all sorts of mysterious things like this funny bit of carved antler is a comb

  • @DVX_BELLORVM
    @DVX_BELLORVM 9 місяців тому

    A brilliant video as always, Tom! Question for you: do you believe that Odin is represented in Tacitus' creation story? And if so, would you say that he is Tuisto, Mannus, or Irmin?

  • @tristantinnon1926
    @tristantinnon1926 9 місяців тому +1

    Othinn, the inspired one, divinely mad one...Sturlusson actually notes, presumably of his own comprehension, that Odin is really Dionysus-Bacchus. I have a whole neo-Pagan theology and magical religion...book really...to write here about Odd/Herne The Hunter, Ode The Wanderer, The Horned One, and The Green Man...but so much of Wotan/Woden/Odin is connected to some liminal state and divine madness. And I do think this has strong literal correlates, wandering shamans and Father Christmas and perhaps a Hyperborean and more generally Laurasian shamanic cult. The process theology in Greek with Dionysus and much of Odinic lore is an interesting parallel study. Even Christianity seems like a (badly botched) version of this process within Judaism/Yahwism. The more I look, I agree ALL world myths and religions have both deep human origins and, naturally, are a reach towards the Objective Universe, and that "Laurasian" myths and religion have an even more specific common origin.

  • @MayfairCarpenter
    @MayfairCarpenter 9 місяців тому

    New subscriber 🎉

  • @smcwr
    @smcwr 9 місяців тому +1

    Thank you for this video.

  • @jameymartin5009
    @jameymartin5009 9 місяців тому

    Woden (master of states of consciousness or "mental excitement") gave Mankind the breath of life, on which are carried his subsequent gifts of language and poetry and magico-religious song.
    Breathing is reflective of states of mind.
    And state of mind can be influenced by conscious control of breathing. Hence why odhr is given by Will.
    Control of breathing is of course fundamental to singing.

  • @KevinSmith-yh6tl
    @KevinSmith-yh6tl 9 місяців тому

    Thank you so much for this.
    It's very,very, appreciated.

  • @haraldbredsdorff2699
    @haraldbredsdorff2699 9 місяців тому +2

    This is just me, playing a synonym word play, and what words sound like each other. Galdr remind me of 2 Norwegian words.
    Gal, that means insane, but mostly a person who scream words that does not mean anything.
    It supposedly have its origin in galinn or gala, that was enchanting songs.
    (this could be the phenomena of speaking in tongues)
    And gale, that is the scream the roster scream in the morning.
    This make me suspect Galdr is the magic of using your voice to make things happen.
    Like the rooster, that awakens the sun each morning with it's spells.
    Or a king, inspiring his menn.
    But this is just me spitballing, and I could be completely wrong.