The Rudeus Infidelity Arc - [Mushoku Tensei 2 Episode 23 Review || ft. Wack Krabs!]
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- Опубліковано 23 чер 2024
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"Mushoku Tensei: Jobless Reincarnation is a Japanese light novel series by Rifujin na Magonote and illustrated by Shirotaka. The series is about a jobless and hopeless man who dies after having a sad and withdrawn life and reincarnates in a fantasy world while keeping his memories, determined to enjoy his new life without regrets under the name Rudeus Greyrat. Originally published on the internet web novel website Shōsetsuka ni Narō in November 2012, a year later it was announced the series would receive a print release under Media Factory's MF Books imprint with illustrations done by a Pixiv user called Shirotaka."
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I actually love the rant, you said exactly what I can't voice out
It felt good to hear that rant. I had a lot of the same thoughts but felt weird because I wasn't sure if anyone agreed with me, as I didn't actually see all that much negativity about this episode initially. The more time passes the more I'm seeing people having similar sentiments to what you said however. Now that it's been a day and excitement calmed down looks like a lot of people thought this was too rushed
With every period a half a day goes by. I need to learn to just comment stuff normally
Hearing that take away from your anime only friend and seeing other various misinterpretations has locked it in for me. This episode failed in its mission statement as "The Story of Rudeus Greyrat."
I'm going to copypasta my thoughts from the discussions I've had over on reddit:
I have been defending this show's decisions when cutting content for ages now. However, I'm now feeling steadily more betrayed the more I learn about the production decisions behind these directing choices.
Studio Bind did their job with aplomb. What we received is an efficiently paced, creatively edited, and competently scripted episode that condenses extraordinarily dense material into far too short a runtime yet still delivers a smooth viewing experience to the viewer. It is not a bad episode as I have yet to see one that I would consider genuinely awful and I will defend to the death the staff that has worked so hard to bring the world of Mushoku Tensei to life on the screen. It is, however, thematically *shallow* in comparison to the source material pertaining to Rudy's development...
I'm just gonna say it bluntly: Rifujin-sensei is entirely responsible for undercutting the beating heart of not only this episode, but this entire arc by attempting to cater to popular opinion rather than doing what was best for the story and pushing the focus of the episode AWAY from Rudy's depressive spiral and recovery and TOWARDS the romantic entanglements that happen as a result. You can see the thread here (hopefully youtube lets this through): twitter.com/Magote_rihujin/status/1804906805379961171
And I'm going to say something controversial here: If for one reason or another cutting the second half of ep 23 was deemed impossible due to creator interference (as the Roxy/Elinalise convos are my first choice for what I would have chosen to trim down, ESPECIALLY Elinalise' if the pregnancy scare was being dropped anyways) I would rather Episode 22 have been truncated in its place. WAIT HEAR ME OUT. Paul's death is still of critical importance but not because it is merely sad. Rather it serves a role in kickstarting the necessary development Rudy must undergo to "live a fulfilling life."
Was episode 22 incredible? Of course (I literally sobbed watching it), but how Paul ultimately ends up dying is not nearly as important as the conversations and renewed connection Rudy formed with Paul leading up to his death and the devastation his death in combination with Zenith's condition causes in Rudeus.
****SPOILERS****
The amount of criticism Rifujin has received over the years seems to have gotten to him to the point that he is attempting to justify the more dubious aspects to folks that aren't really interested one way or another and THAT is the most terrifying part to me because it now brings into question what he plans to do with Aisha/Ars's relationship in the LN Redundancy chapters. At the very least it seems he still plans to follow through on it, but I fear he may change it in ways that are detrimental to the story and its characters because he's paying attention to the opinions of people who don't really care. You cannot please everyone and attempting to do so is a fool's errand.
****SPOILERS****
*spoiler over*
I've also been seeing the worst examples of both Toxic Negativity and Toxic Positivity. The toxic negative criticism comes in the form of LN purists criticizing every single miniscule cut resulting in DILUTING the conversation around this such that when a cut like this occurs (one that is a central pillar of the thematic core of not only the episode, not only the arc, but the entirety of Mushoku Tensei as a whole) it is drowned out by a wave of idiotic complaints that fail to articulate anything beyond "its different therefore bad." Meanwhile, the toxic positivity manifests as glazing the episode and declaring it to be "masterfully done" either because they are anime onlys and therefore lack the necessary context to understand what it is they are missing OR are LN readers who are drowning in denial at the idea that such an otherwise wonderfully executed adaptation could possibly stumble and face plant THIS HARD at the most critical juncture.
It fills me with an overwhelming sense of lethargy because of just how much this series means to me. It's like.... oh. Oh fuck.
It's like realizing Zenith is a husk.
what an amazing rant xD
I agree with the rat as a novel reader I cried at this point reading the chapter and I don’t feel anything emotionally this episode
Your rant was great and I agree 100% with you
No , he is right. They destroy that part of LN
IMO skipping the convo is worse than how they changed it to “Roxy making him have sex” as a lot of people are saying online.
In that convo he says “Hypothetically if someone came from another world” and goes on to ask her “What should THEY do?”
Roxy looked at him and said, “If YOU cannot go back, then YOU should cherish the family you have in front of you.”
SHE PIECED IT TOGETHER, Roxy cooked that scene and they skipped it and ONLY included “What should I do now?” AFTER they had sex. That convo was BEFORE and so important like what? That’s the worst change they have made to date 100%.
They could have at least skipped the ED, I know they skipped the OP but like cmon studio Bind fucked this scene up.
Ah, that scene was the morning after. I reread that part after the last week episode.
When Rudy finally in a better head space, then he can be open with Roxy and listen to her words.
>That’s the worst change they have made to date 100%.
I agree and that's crazy considering how in LN5 they skipped a whole ass character that shows up later who is important to the plot
@@nguyendi92 thank you for the correction, it’s been a while since I read 12
But man if that’s the case they still skipped it. Still horrible to do and it’s genuinely tragic
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I mean, how you said it makes sense but it still felt bad that they talked after the bed action and not before. Is it the same in the LN?
I agree, they could have allotted a couple more minutes for his grieving period
If i Remember correctly is almost 2 weeks without food closed in his room and never say a word before Roxy came in...
A couple of minutes for the tavern scene in the novel were enough to convey time and urgency for Rudy recovery and the fact that they can't come back without Rudy's magic to handle the sandstorm
They did a disservice to the beginning of the episode, they should have dropped the raptor scene and the ending song to allocate more time for Rudeus to get his old life off his chest. Still think they should have added an extra episode.
As an anime only, I totally assumed that Rudy had spent days closed up in the room from the condition of his face with his cheeks being sunken in and the condition of his eyes and lips. It was the face of someone dying. From the pervious times we've seen him be depressed he never got to that point of almost dying of depression. The only other time was after the Sara breakup which I still count as the rock bottom from the Eris leaving depression cuz he attempted to stab himself with the knife.
The impression I got from his mental state even after they had sex, was he was still lost and that the sex didn't just magically make everything better, he was still looking to his "savior" for guidance. I've always gotten the impression that Rudy loved Roxy, just not as a romantic partner, but as that idolized savior he looked up. So it took him actually sleeping with her to actually change his mental image of her from being up on that pedestal that he worshiped to being an actual person in his mind. During the desert montage I felt they did an okay job of showing that he still wasn't suddenly better. He's still mopping about. Still needs Roxy to help pick him back up.
I do think they could've some how slipped it back in as a reminder that the journey to the teleporter circle in the desert took Rudy and Elinalise a month, so in that regard I do think they could've shown it better that this episode was over atleast a month's time period for the average viewer.
I love that you can catch these details perfectly.
Honestly, while I have some minor complaints about the episode, I think that the core ideas are properly conveyed in this episode, as many anime onlies can catch on. It is not that butchered as many LN readers complain.
Finally, someone else who gets it! Subscribed!
Saw this video on Reddit. Bravo dude this rant is legendary
Thumbs up for the ranting rat!
Totally agree even if I would say it in a less energetic way...😅
I think studio bind could have spent less animation budget on the travel back and have 5 more minutes of Roxy and Rudy talking in the bedroom...but look at the bright side we at least had some pictures of Dillo.
Found you on Reddit 👍. Good videos
If you lose subs for this I'll make a comparable number of alt accounts and sub to you because you cooked and took the words out of my mouth with that rant. 🗣️🗣️🍳🍲
Valid rant. I kind of agree, but after a rewatch I felt like Rudy recollecting with his past life was front and center for a decent bit.
It definitely should have been explored MORE whether through a "what-if" scenario with Roxy or another inner monologue.
Hearing an anime only's perspective helped me understand the need for this a bit more.
Honestly, I wonder if Studio Bind should do test screenings for these episodes to avoid running into situations like this again (if they already do, I'd be surprised).
The 2 parts that were cut out that you mentioned early on(his inner monologue and the Roxy hypothetical) were 2 of my favorite parts of the series as well and it hurt to see them truncated and removed so much because the story needs those things. The fact that this novel is in peoples' top 5 and they fumbled most peoples' favorite part of it makes me believe the studio/Rifujin/whoever has a different opinion on what it should be than we do and that does kinda scare me for future seasons.
LN15 is often listed as the number 1 novel in rankings and I'm scared they're not going to give that the adequate time it deserves either. Now, I'm hoping I'm wrong here and we do get more episodes per season or they structure things better(some of 14 can likely be condensed and some of 13 as well) but 15.. 15 for a majority of it HAS to be done well and I'm losing faith. I don't wanna feel that way at all and I do want to have the faith but right now it's not there.
I hope they stick the landing with the remaining episode
I share your concern for vol 15. 13 and 14 can be condensed (to some degree), which would leave more time and space for vol 15 to be adapted, and I am SURE, that this is exactly what the studio is going to do.
The actual question is HOW exactly they are going to go about this and what they'll leave out. This is the REAL crux. We both know that there is SOOOO much important stuff in vol 15, that it definitely will be a challenge to adapt it properly. I think they can do it, but we should expect them to not pull it off "perfectly". I do expect this, at least. However, as long as the CORE idea of the events in the story is delivered, I don't mind them cutting out stuff, even if it is interesting in terms of context.
That's what I feel happened in this latest episode as well! I don't have an issue with this episode, despite it leaving out some stuff. Why? Because THE ESSENCE of Rudy's inner monologue and THE ESSENCE of the reasoning behind Roxy's actions actually was delivered, regardless of what "The Rat's Nest" claims. Sure, they left out some stuff or condensed it down to just a single sentence in some cases, but they didn't actually leave out anything VITAL. They left out some context, like Elinalise implying to Rudy, that Roxy may be pregnant for example. This context was interesting and gave Rudy some more reason to propose to her, but it wasn't THE reason, which is why studio bind decided to leave it out. The same is true for all the other context, that was cut in this episode. Sure, some people are making themselves believe, that IMPORTANT stuff was left out, but the problem is, if you actually look at it objectively, you'll realize, that this "important stuff" only was important to you personally, not for the story as a whole.
It’s peak fiction but at the end of the episode I was just sitting feeling sort of empty with a that’s it feeling.
I don't understand why they changed the fact that rudy grabbed roxy and be rough with her...
As a WN reader from back then, I'm not as mad as you about what they cut from the episode. Since season 1 they've been cutting a lot of great and important stuff to the plot (Death god, Therese, Ruijerd's backstory, most povs including the only ones from Zenith and Eris, almost an entire volume with Paul's reunion, and like 80% of the world building) that I just grew accustomed to it and accepted that the anime and the novels were just different things that can't be compared.
Judging the episode in the context of just the anime, it's a great episode with a lot of heartfelt moments and the most anticipated capture of Squirtle. Is it extremely inferior to the novels? Yeah, but that's true of almost every other episode since the beginning. That's because there's no way in hell they can fit all of the great stuff from the novels in an animated medium, much less if they are condensing 6 whole volumes in a single season. They have to cut a lot to make it work, and IMO having an OP this season only worsened the time problems.
Let's see how they handle the last set of chapters next episode, maybe some of your grievances are addressed there
For the revelation they cut i think they simply put in the next.
I hope so😅😅😅
When Roxy first came to Rudys room I was coping so hard and hoping she was just checking on him and would go back downstairs... I was hoping that wouldn't be that scene yet but it was...
I thought they would use maybe half or maybe even less of a full episode for this upcoming part but I guess not... I mean its a good part but not worth sacrificing this episode for that.....😢😢
Maybe theyll be cooking with this last ep but maybe im coping again....
They want to end off on him seeing sylphie again we needed two more episodes.
I agree that the season could have used another episode, I was expecting something like the Norn episode where they let the audience dig their teeth into the depression and how much Roxy does for him but it is what it is. One thing I'm glad they cut was the fake pregnancy conversation, 1. because it goes no where in the story, dismissed in one sentence and never brought up again and 2. because how incredibly manipulative it is. I would rather Rudy be conflicted by his love for the two women, rather than some fake shotgun wedding. I did find the whole Roxy relationship rather rushed in the LN, so them going even faster in the anime is a choice, but I guess it will be good to get a full episode for the homecoming.
Tbh from my point of view as both a LN reader and an anime enjoyer, this episode was fine some points hit hard and the message was conveyed. But why i think rat and other LN readers are so upset is because it could have been so much better if they gave it a little more time. But at the same time I feel like its inevitable to get some stuff like this cut short especially in the current anime industry where time is so important.
was he crying in the middle?, that was rough!!!!
Still just happy that Dillo made the cut.
Counterpoint: if they had adapted everything during the journey the same... my god then war that would have happened. This part of the novel actually got extra about the plot in a way that I understood why they made rewrites.
Second point: honestly if they HADN'T changed the way the Roxy and Elinalise conversations went, then I'd definitely be as mad as you. Because of how different things are, I'm able to rationalize this as AO timeline, like when they skipped the Theresa meeting in S1.
Let's Go!
Haven't seen the episode yet. This is gonna be a rough one to explain to my anime only friends, huh...
Fuck, I'm gonna have to explain this to my mom too, she also watches, holy shit I'm just going to forward this video you struck every chord I felt.
Anime only. Episode was peak. Consumed my thoughts whole day.
The book was so much better
Dayum Rat can I introduce you to melissa? That moment of silence and anwser from Kyle showed how terrified he was, poor guy XDD
Also "I am very limited on what I can say" that aged poorly XDDD
But yeah I agree that beginning was too rushed.
surely they include the meeting as a flashback next ep or something.. or else its irredeemable from studio bind
I liked it 😆
In fact I am much more critical, for me the adaptation of Mushoku Tensei is far from being a very good adaptation. Too much content is skipped and that affects more a series like Mushoku that focuses on the characters and their personal dilemmas.
Ill admit is was weird asl to go from last episode rudy to immediate skeletor-rudy face all sucked in. was kinda funny out of context but also _kinda_ super cringe due to them not explaining at all that its been a week & he hasnt been eating barely, drinking, not talking at all or leaving his room so *thats* why he look like that lmao (im a LN reader so i obviously knew why he looked like that lol)
Definitely could have been better but I still think it got the point across to anime onlies 👌🏽
To me as a LN reader, this episode was really good. I don't understand why "The Rat's Nest" is so extremely negative about it. He acts like the episode didn't communicate the actual point of and reason for Rudy's depression which isn't true. It did!
19:00 hey, I read MT 3 times; 2 time in WN one time in LN, I didn't get the point about Rudeus depress bc he repeats the same mistake either. For me, it's just men get better after segg like Lise think. lol
Yeah it felt like that especially because it really helped him. The anime did it a little better.
I was so confused why they shifted the theme of the episode from Paul's death and Rudeus' regrets to sex with roxy and marriage. I should start to read the LN before the anime gets to Turning Point 4 just in case they fumble again.
Edit: I read the part of the WN that was adapted this episode and tbh the Anime felt better than the WN here. Yes there was a section where Rudeus compared his parents from our world and the isekai world but I think it was better in the anime where he at least said that "he made the same mistake again".
The time that he spend in his room being depressed was better in the WN but the switch between talking, bed action and then talking again felt kinda bad (+ it felt like bed action healed him like Lise told because he got better immediately after action) but the end was nice with Roxy telling Rudi to cherish what he still has.
to go from the tragic passing of paul and the breaking mind of his mother. Into roxy-rudy-sylphie drama. Within minutes. Without any establishing scenes or conversations. My god. This was just insulting as LN reader. Like just what on earth were they thinking. This was a pivotal moment in Rudy's life. And they treat that as some filler. Holy fuck dude.
Volume 12 is also my favorite and I was very disappointed. The first thing I thought was that it needed to be two episodes. I am noticing quite a few reactors coming out of the episode either confused or hating Roxy. I think they really needed the cut content to clarify Rudy's thoughts and setup the Rudy x Roxy dynamic.
Damn i forgot they included episode 0 as part of the "25" episodes. I thought there were going to be 2 more
In real life there are a lot of people who have multiple partners (movie stars, rich people, powerful politicians, etc.) but people never complain or realize it.
By the way, when I saw the episode for the first time I was very upset because they had changed a lot from the novel, but the author participated in the creation of this episode and with his statements, I think I understand that what he wanted to do with this episode was to use it to filter out the fake fans. Or maybe I'm just overthinking it.
Why they didn't expand the contest of the depression of Rudy the elenalise conflict and the Roxy struggle and use the sex scene for 23 final and 24 the way back some action scene the revelation and the final scene of the season the proposal of Rudy and the Roxy replays!
Super cliffhanger and what silfie gona do for the opening of the next season?????????
What a waste!!!!
Indeed for anime only like my wife MT still better than any other shows, maturity, No fan service, "real character" and never ever, forgone script ❤❤❤❤
Mushoku is like (Game of Thrones) but with a better ending.
I wish that the reason for rushing this episode was for a "Rat and the Old Man," but this is a disappointment that they left out the heart and soul of his recovery.
Honestly, it is unsustainable to adapt three volumes per season. Before it was bad, worse with volume 12, which is the longest, it was simply not possible and now they are going to adapt 13, 14 and 15 in twelve chapters? give me a break
They'll probably speedrun volume 13 sadly.
In case any of you not notice Paul cheated on Zenith too. The only difference is that Paul was horny and Rudeus was in a vulnerable state.
As a LN reader, i liked the episode. They did not do the source material justice IMO though.
This episode pissed me off so bad. It made me hate that scheming Roxy and Elinalise. Shameful tramps 😂😂
Yeah, this was sacreligious, and we didn't even hear your thoughts on them leaving out "I didn't want to do this, but Roxy's time hasn't come."
THANK YOU THIS EPISODE WAS FUCKING TRASH… still love mushoku tensei tho
Edit: your my favorite UA-camr after that rant bro 🥹😭
Edit: maybe you should make some shorter form content… in my opinion you have a low audience because you only have long form content but short form content can bring more people to your channel… of course this is just advice but i really wanna see your channel grow much love
I enjoyed the OST this episode. Would have complemented the original story Much better.
You’re right though. I have a friend that is also anime only and I’m afraid this is going to make him think it’s the same harem trash that people say it is. It’s so so good and deserves a much better adaptation. I just hope my friend doesn’t hate the series fully.
yeah it shafted the paul stuff, i guess they just dont know how to do it or they saving it for the blu ray.
We need OVA ep for this.
Texans are a better football team. Let go H-Town. Also cool anime bro
They skipped way too much 😭
Anime only here. I am a bit conflicted. I love the show, its amazing in so many ways. During season two I was surprised how devoted Rudeus was to Sylphie and found it super wholesom. I thought the anime was going to tear away from the harem trope and I found it refreshing, but then I got spoiled and found out stuff from the lite novel. This episode did not feel ok to me. I dont blame Rudy for sleeping with Roxy. 1) Roxy came onto him in a vulnerable time 2) His mental state can excuse the desperate need to find a connection with anyone at that moment. The thing I have the issue with is the 'emotional cheating', him perusing and entertaining the idea of a full on relationship with her without considering Sylphie. Sure Roxy said at the end "Get permission first from Sylphie" but still rubbed me the wrong way. It took all the devotion Sylphie had for Rudeus and he takes a dump on it. Also not a big fan of poly anyway, at some point in a poly relationship someone is going to be less or more liked than another person and that hurts and gets complicated fast. Its messy. Also can Sylph get another husband? Does she have the same rights to do that? just a question I had while thinking of this.
I completely agree with you about certain things rubbing you the wrong way. Also coming from a LN reader, I can assure you the polygamy is handled really tastefully, well that is if only the anime does not fuck up the adaptation.
I think what they did in episode 23 was increase the drama, instead of toning it down like they do in the novel, and spread the blame to both sides. I think the author knows that no matter what Mushoku does, it won't be as popular as (Jujutsu Kaisen, My Hero Academia, Naruto), which is a shame because in my opinion, Mushoku's story is a better story than those animes.
I disagree. as an anime only I got the grief Rudy felt about not knowing his parents in this life either just from the episode. I would've liked the "I was isekai'd" conversation but it was fine
This episode is really disappointing me, I was expecting so much more
The only change I’m HAPPY they made (and I’m someone that hates changes to any original piece for adaptation, I simply understand the need) is that they got rid of the fake pregnancy. That was an egregious choice Rifujin made, clearly using what is known as “showing the authors hand.” Rifujin stepped in to the story to make the choice easy for Rudy by giving a clear cut path, that turned out to be a lie and Rudy never had an issue after that. To me that’s terrible writing, because it steals that difficult choice from his MC by making him face his feelings, and choose them both after that. So getting rid of that point I am okay with I guess, I only struggle to accept it cuz it was still the authors choice so🤦♂️🤷🏼♂️
You've misunderstood something. Rudy DID make his choice. His choice was Sylphie, his marriage, and his kid. He was telling Elenalise he was sorry for it but he had to return home and turn Roxy away, and as he was saying it, she dropped the missed period to force him. She basically said fuck your choice, you're making my friend happy and I'm making sure of it, you little shit. Life doesn't always let you make the choice you want to.
@@thomasboyles9773 yes, meaning the choice was made for him. The false pregnancy lie led to the marriage, that is the author taking the choice out of his characters hand. That’s what I meant. Is that somehow still wrong?
@@thomasboyles9773 like I said it’s the authors hand showing too much. It is a similar term as dues ex machina, where readers can tell the author is intervening on the character’s behalf to save them from making a difficult choice.
In this context you can even include “real world controversy”, because even though Rifujin is (thankfully) fine with writing a “controversial story,” that does not mean they SEEK controversy. When I read that scene it always came off as the author trying to say, “it is okay for Rudy to have a Harem, so all viewers stop complaining” and when I went online for vol 12 a lot of people felt that way too. It was always a weird choice to have the pregnancy lie.
@@Cameron.ae08 Yes. Elenalise took it away from him. A character had a motivation to ruin his choice. His choice was made. Your first comment made it sound like Rudy didn't make a choice. He did.
@@Cameron.ae08 I dsagree that this is in any way deus ex machina. Elenalise specifically resented Paul for leaving the party in the lurch. She refuses to let Rudy abandon Roxy to a fate like that of the fangs after how it festered away. I do not in any way agree that the conversation is out of character for either if them in the novel.
they butchered the episode.. im actually fuming...
Ignorance is bliss, friend
THATS WHAT IM SAYING
I really don't understand these arguments about it "needing more time". They only got the okay for 4 episodes per volume. Given this limitation, I think the result is as good as it can get.
Now for some less important points I want to make:
- Why would you assume, that the anime didn't spend enough time with Rudy griefing? He clearly was depicted to have been in that room for a long time and he clearly reflected about his previous life and his relationship with Paul. What else would you have added? Him crying for 5 minutes on screen or something? Stupid! (And don't forget: Next episode we'll still be reflection on Paul's passing!)
- This leads me to a very general problem, that some LN readers seem to have with this adaptation: That it didn't adapt everything from the LNs. This is a stupid idea to begin with! Why? Because, if you actually take off your fanboy goggles, you'll see, that NONE of the stuff, that happened on his journey through Begraritt to Rapan was relevant AT ALL. And everything, that can be left out, SHOULD be left out! This isn't One Piece, where you get an infinite number of episodes to adapt the story! It would be great, if that were the case, but we need to BE REALISTIC and not criticise stuff, that is genuinely well handled within the budgetary limits of this anime. Stop acting like entitled brats!
-What's up with this rant about "this episode doing a disservice to the story" anyway? Are you alright? Everything you claimed the story didn't communicate to the audience, it actually DID communicate. I feel like you didn't even watch the episode! Just because we don't get to watch a depressed character sit there and wallow in self-pity for 20 minutes straight, doesn't mean, that the anime adaptation didn't properly communicate his feelings! You don't seem to understand how this works!
Very bad take! Media literacy 1/10. Since you've read this far, I can tell you now, that this is the first actual dogsh*t take of yours! Please, let it remain the only one.