@abhay chauhan Macedonia have drawn England twice in the time when England were supposedly in their golden generation … muppet This Macedonian generation has just beaten Germany on their soil, their first loss at home in 20 years for World Cup qualifying… pure muppet There are teams with good footballers that just don’t get the press as much as England.
@@ljupcotaneski It's doing my head in that foreign fans think we are so arragont because we have the most press. I would prefer not to have the best league in the world but that's just the way it is. I know there are better teams than England.
I think he’s trying to say you’re likely to progress in the World Cup due to you getting a few easier teams in the Group and maybe first few knockout rounds if you’re lucky where in Europe it’s more condensed like how we got an easy run in the last tournament is unlikely to happen in the Euro, he’s just completely useless at putting his point together 😂 (World Cup is harder to win btw just might get further if you get an easy run in)
tbf he was on the lines of saying that until Andy jumped in as usual with his 10 IQ deductions and dragged the conversation into a ridiculous place If England win the Euros this year then their knockout path could easily be Portugal/France/Germany (last 16), Spain (QFs), Netherlands (SFs) and France/Belgium (Final) or something like that. It's even more difficult if you're in Group F. If you're Portugal in Group F then your path to the title could be games against France, Germany, Hungary, England, Spain, Netherlands, Belgium. When you consider England's world cup run included Panama, Tunisia, Colombia, Sweden... this Euros run looks far more difficult.
@Jamie McCarthy Also could be true recently considering England had an easy run in the last world cup but if they win the group in the Euros they face the second place team from the group of death.
England never gets easy runs. England don’t have the reputation anymore of a giant footballing nation that gets easy runs. England lost to Iceland once, so that should have been evidence enough that we don’t get the right to think we have easy runs.... ....unless you think teams likeTunisia (who were African nations champions), Colombia (one of the strongest South American teams with some gifted players compared to England’s midfield at the time), Sweden ( always a 50/50 game), Croatia (who had a stronger midfield on the night even though England has a strong record against them) Belgium (both games were dead rubbers tbf) England were 2nd youngest in average age and least experienced in caps Easy??? This is why foreigners think we’re arrogant and love it when we lose. Never easy. That team overachieved and deserves more credit than they get.
I get his point tbf ....I think the point is you can meet a higher quality team sooner in the tournament rather in the world cup a team could get an easier team e.g an Asia or African team , don't get me wrong it's not gonna always go like that, but it's more statically odds on to get an easier run in a world cup
Which is irrelevant, because the best european sides are also in the World Cup, whilst adding the best of South America aswell. Top African teams in WC are also better mid to low tier teams in Euros (only North America & Asia kinda brings down the levels, tho South Korea, Mexico & Japan are better than most teams in Euros too)...
Thats bullshit: North Macedonia, Finland, Slovakia & other low tier european sides are not better then top african, north american & asian sides who would be lowest tier in WC...
@@bigbowss9817 I agree with you and also Ziggy. In general World Cup will have the best teams around the world but you will also get some really poor teams that you just need to turn up to win against like Trinidad & Tobago, Honduras, Jamaica, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Togo etc where in same cases some European giants miss out on the World Cup due to having a tough qualification group like Holland for example. England's 2018 World Cup group seriously you look and say OK no excuses get 6 points vs Tunisia and Panama, with European Belgium being the tricky one. Now for this Euro group England vs Croatia is a tricky one, Scotland being a rivalry plus recent form makes it a tricky one & Czechs having a good Euro and World Cup pedigree isn't a full gone conclusion although if England weren't to beat Czech Republic it would be a huge disappointment.
@@a.b8677 Thats just the nature of having 32 teams instead of 24, so competition is slightly more deluted, but replacing underperforming big european teams (like Netherlands & Italy last time) with Brazil, Argentina & Uruguay is almost always a better trade off competitively. And if you compare 14th to 24th best UEFA teams that wouldnt make it to WC to Chile, Colombia from CONMEBOL, top 5 CAF teams & top 2 CONCACAF & AFC teams, its actually an upgrade. Now you add a few more asian & american teams that kinda lower the standards, but even then teams like Iran, Australia, Saudi, Jamaica, etc. are just as much pushovers as any of the teams I mentioned before. And although I agree you're likely to cause trouble between european teams that have rivalries (England vs Scotland being perfect example), those other teams are also capable of creating upsets (remember Costa Rica in 2014). And especially with group stage allowing 3rd place teams to progress too, I definitly believe World Cup is more competitive top to bottom...
@@bigbowss9817 Costa Rica did great but I have to say they were in a group with shitty England in 2014 😂😂 I'm mixed on it, I think to qualify out the group even with 3rd places with some it's not as easy as you think. All groups you can make a case for them qualifying for example look at Group F France, Portugal, Germany and even Hungary who are hugely underestimated. That group is mad. You would never get a group like that in World Cup so group stage in Euros is more difficult for me and I'd say to actually win the tournament I'd put them both equal. European teams have dominated World Cups for nearly 20 years now, Brazil and Argentina get mentioned becasue historically they were great. Let's be honest they are bang average now..
@@a.b8677 Costa Rica also had Uruguay & Italy in their group, which was supposed to be group of death with them as hopeless duckling and England ended up taking their place lol I mean obviously Group F is mad this year (and I agree, Hungary is probably the best 4th tier team in these Euros aswell), but you also have group C which is way worse than most World Cup groups. Teams like Wales, Scotland, Ukraine, Slovakia, etc. have real shot of making it past of group here, but they would never in World Cup even if they qualified. And I dont disagree with Europe dominating South America in recent years (thats why Germany was the first european team to win there, while they have yet to have won in Europe), but with 13 qualifiers, all the best european teams are gonna be at World Cup. So the way I see it, its about whether mid to low tier european teams are any better than top tier of other confederations and I dont think thats the case, thats all...
I think he''s saying the route through the knockout stages in the WC can be (not always) a lot easier. Look at England's route to the semis WC18. The only tough sides we played we lost to; Belgium and Croatia and we still made it to the Semis! Then we lost to Belgium again 😂 The Klobster is saying the route is much tougher straight out the groups in the Euros
Brazil 2002 World Cup winner, 1998 finalist, 4 Copa america’s, beat Spain 3-0 in 2013 confederations cup final and reached a World Cup semi aswell. Holland didn’t even qualify for the 2018 World Cup.
That was 2014 which is a long tile in football, they won the 2019 Copa America and are literally top 3 in the world behind France and similar level to Belgium.
@@qahirmakhani348 we have struggled more at Euro group stages than world cup group stages, and that is because the world cup often has two strong teams and two weak teams in groups, just look at the last world cup for example.
@@LJfootball14 Yes it does. England were one game away from the WC final after facing no team that had ever won it. Meh! Good luck with winning the Euros and bypassing France, Spain, Portugal, Germany, Holland this time.
I think the point he’s making is that your not going to face teams such as Colombia and Sweden to get to a semifinal of the euro’s. Instead England are probably going to get knocked out in the last 16 or QF by France, Portugal or Germany.
That’s relative to the draw though. In another year England could have faced Austria or Sweden in the round of 16 too. Just like England getting Argentina in the round of 16 in 1998 and getting knocked out.
@@neymarthegoldenboy4560 round of 16 was only introduced in the last tournament of the Euro’s so traditionally you will always get a top team in the Quarter final as there is less teams in the Euro’s than World Cup. Another point towards the argument is that England didn’t qualify for Euro 2008 and the two teams that finished above them reached the Qf and Sf. Last time England didn’t qualify for the World Cup was 1994.
The Euro’s historically used to have only 8 teams or even less until 1996 so the 16 team format only existed for 5 tournaments. The World Cup also had several formats like a second group stage but you still always had to face the best European or South American teams sooner or later. I get the argument that less teams means a harder game more often whereas in the World Cup you could get a lesser team while the good sides knock each other out.
There could be an argument because in the group stages you could get a Costa Rica, or Saudi Arabia, Japan or so and score 5+ pass or who you're guaranteed all 3 points from
@@emekannabuo4946 you don't win the competition in the group stage how hard is it to understand you still get harder teams later on in the world cup u idiot
Ultimately the World Cup will always be harder though because if the Europeans are having a slump one year then the South American’s will be good so you can’t fluke the win. In the Euro’s teams like Greece and Denmark have won it because sometimes the top teams aren’t quite at it.
@baz the point is that group stages are easier for most top FIFA ranked team. There are teams that are guaranteed to finish bottom of the group. Yes there are one or two surprises but if 4 Asian and 4 African teams qualify for example, 6 of them are guaranteed to drop out. This isn't peculiar to those continents. FIFA is designed to be global as such there'll always be such "kick-away" teams
Actually agree with Klobby for once the euros is slightly harder to win due to the high standards the European teams for this euros having a few group of deaths and you know if you get get out your group your playing another top team fair play Klobby
He's got a point with respect to the euros vs world cup. The group stages are definitely less competitive in general. More likelihood of getting Sauid Arabia, Japan, Costa Rica etc where you're guaranteed points and high goal scored
Lol The group stages isn't it part of the competition or is pre-tournament? Read in depth... the point in the teams I mentioned is that you get weak teams in at least 5 groups where each team in such group are guaranteed points. We also have African teams in that bracket (and yes I'm African)
Ultimately the World Cup will always be harder though because if the Europeans are having a slump one year then the South American’s will be good so you can’t fluke the win. In the Euro’s teams like Greece and Denmark have won it because sometimes the top teams aren’t quite at it.
I kind of get what he means, he's maybe not explained very well though, plus you have got Goldstein liking the sound of his own voice as usual. I think he means in the latter stages of the world cup you could be playing an African team or another who is not regarded as a top team, where as in the euros you will be playing a top European side.
Total agreement Hocane. The Euros is harder. The World Cup is the better tournament, but Euros is harder. Hell even England have won a World Cup, but can’t get close to a Euro win...
Considering there is only 2 maybe 3 decent teams outside of Europe with Brazil being the last team to win the world Cup from South America in 2002 and Andy talking about what Holland have done they made the world Cup final in 2010 against Spain
Klobby had a point, he just wasn't making his argument very well. The deadwood sides in the Euros are arguably stronger than the likes of Panama, Tunisia, Costa Rica. The Euros tend to have stronger groups, but World Cups are harder to win from the QF's onwards with the South American sides in it. Just look at England's possible route to the QF's this year : Scotland, Czech Rep, Croatia and either Portugal or Germany. They had to beat Panama, Costa Rica and Colombia in 2018.
Goldstein is a clown. In the world cup you can get a group that's got New Zealand Iran Panama then you're into the R16 and you can pull a middle of the road African team. Goldstein's argument centers around facing 3 teams.
in the wc you could get an easy draw like england did, in the euros its likely you will draw a top team if the best teams go through as expected. each group will have two top teams progressing, no easy games after the groups
Kinda get klobby’s point but he laid it out so poorly..there is always one or two European heavyweights missing in the World Cup and plenty of cannon fodders equivalent or poorer than European teams...Still World Cup is harder to win due to distinctively different styles of football of different teams and unknown factors which leads to more shocks in addition to the South American powerhouses and some really good African nations.
In the euros the weaker teams are probably better than the weaker teams in the world cup from asia, africa or north/south america, so you could argue its harder as the weaker teams are more competent
Not necessarily, Costa Rica got out of a group of Uruguay, Italy and England in 2014 sending England home in the group stage. South Korea sent Germany home in the group stage in 2018. France lost to Senegal in 2002 going out in the group stage. South Korea reached the semi final in 2002 beating Italy and Portugal on the way.
@@neymarthegoldenboy4560 well like what was mentioned Greece, a weak Portugal and Denmark have won the Euros and would all of been considered underdogs so I think that shows how much more competitive and closer the quality is between the best and worst teams
Ultimately the World Cup is harder to WIN, the short term of getting one round further because you drew Japan or Algeria shouldn’t be a point because when push comes to shove you have to beat the best and in the World Cup you have to overcome both South America and Europe. Greece and Denmark have won the Euro’s because some years the top European teams have a slump but in the World Cup you can’t fluke it since both the European top teams and south Americans won’t slump at the same time.
Quality of sides aside the World Cup is a longer tournament based on the number of games 8 if we make it to the final, compared to 7 in the Euros. It is very unlikely that a side that consistently makes it into the Euros will miss out in the World Cup, other than Group J where Armenia sit on top instead of Germany, the table toppers of every other group Portugal, Spain, Italy, France, Belgium, Denmark, Turkey, Croatia and England are all nations which have regularly made it to the Euros, but it's far more difficult for an underdog to win the World Cup like Greece did it in Euro 2004, Ghana, South Korea, Croatia and Turkey came pretty close but failed, the 1998 World Cup final can be considered an upset in some people's opinions because Brazil were overwhelming favorites, however France had some world class players in there.
If we're talking about the old Euros format with just 16 teams then I agree. Not any more with the expansion and teams like Scotland, North Macedonia getting in. The old way you had 16 of the best teams in Europe. Just 4 groups! You could have a group containing France, Italy, Holland and Denmark... Then when you get out of that group get hit with Germany in the Quarter-Final. You don't get that at the World Cup. You can have an easy group with an easy last 16 tie. Australia, USA anyone? You probably won't get a tough team until at least the Quarter-Final or Semi final...
i agree with klobby euros are harder to advance through and win, europe also dominates the world cup. but in the world cup you might get lucky with an easier draw. in europe all teams are harder to beat.
Nope World Cup is harder to win ultimately because you have to overcome Europe and South America. There is a reason why nobody has fluked it like Greece or Denmark did in the euros.
I think I get what Klobby is trying to say, I’m the World Cup you can end up in a group with say Tunisia, Panama and Romanianfor example and getting a Columbia, Denmark or Greece etc in the knockout stages but in the euros there’s less teams so for example we’re more likely to come up against France, Germany etc.
Klobby has a good point and he was very clear in his explanations. Those pundits are so incredibly short-sighted and refuse to understand his argument. Btw Holland played the World Cup final in 2010.
If klobby was a bit more switched on he’d be dangerous. They finished 2nd and 3rd in 2/ the last 3 World Cup. So they’ve done more in the last 19 years than Brazil have. Andy shouting constantly flusters the poor man. 🥲🥲
It depends on which angle you look at it from. England won the World Cup but haven't been able to win the Euros. There are a few European teams that have won the World Cup but haven't been able to win the Euros. And there are teams that have won the Euros such as Denmark and Greece but haven't been able to win the World Cup
Euro group stages are generally tougher, but the world cup knock out stages are generally tougher. Being as the knockout stages are real proving ground, overall the world cup is tougher.
Yes! England were one game away from the WC final after facing no team that had ever won it. Meh! Good luck with winning the Euros and bypassing France, Spain, Portugal, Germany, Holland this time.
Hes actually 100% correct if he was talking about pre Euro 2016 and the expansion. When it was a 16 team tournament you had ño easy games and some ridiculous groups where you wouldn't be given easy touches from Africa/Asia/Central America. Good sides would often go out early.
The word cup probably is harder to win, but it's a lot harder to get out the group and get further into the competition in the Euros. You'd never find a group like France, Germany, Portugal and Hungry at the world cup...
I think a better way to phrase it rather than "its a harder tournament to win" to "Its a tougher tournament" full stop. Nine times out of ten the top teams like your Germany's and Spain's do come out on top anyways. Greece won it playing super defensively and Denmark come in cycles. They always have a player or two that can do some damage but I guess that year they had more than a player or two. And the World Cup, the winners have been a selection of European teams or Brazil or Argentina (or Uruguay that one time). Klobby has a point.
Let's look at the "outsider" example. Scotland didn't qualify through the usual group method but instead earned their spot through the Nations League tournament. The likelihood of getting to a competition is just as important as the likelihood of winning it. With the chances of a smaller nation getting to the Euros increasing then the chance of them winning it have to as well. Therefore making the Euros an easier competition.
Why is Henderson even in the conversation? Declan Rice is one of the first names on the team sheet and playing both is not an option imo. Stones, Rice, Mount & Kane are nailed on starters
10:50 Holland beat Brazil 3-0 in the 2014 WC third place game. But failed to qualify for Russia 2018 WC. And Brazil were beaten in QF by Belgium in Russia 2018. They just wind klobby up
*Holland got to the WC Final in 2010. No South American has won in almost 20 yrs. The WC is harder to win, but you're likely to face tougher opposition in the Euros. Brazil & Argentina are the only 2 teams Goldstein can name in reference to the ENTIRE WORLD outside Europe. It's not "would you rather face Czech or Brazil?", it's "would you rather face Czech or Peru?" The WC is harder to win but Klobby could've argued his point A LOT better. Goldstein thinks ALL the other 20+ places go to Brazil & Argentina. That's 2 teams! What about Korea, Japan, China, Australia, Tunisia, Nigeria, Paraguay... those teams are not better than the Europeans. The gap between Europe and the rest of the world (Brazil/Argentina for Goldstein) is getting larger. Out of 5 continents, only 2 have ever won and 1 of them hasn't since Ronaldo the Fenomeno had a fringe.*
I agree here. Belguim got to a World Cup Quarter Final playing Panana , Tunisia and Japan. Nobody will go 4 games in this years Euros with that much ease. Look at the 2018 world cup clubs. Scotland beat at lesst 10 off those teams
Klobby is right. Andy can shout that Brazil are better than the Czechs as much as he wants. The Euros has a much higher concentration of high quality teams. You only have to look at England’s run to the semis in 2018 when they didn’t play a half decent team until Croatia. This Euros they have Croatia in their group and will be playing the World Cup winners or the European champions in the next round.
Klobby he’s right in everything he says he’s make sense if you listen to what he’s saying he’s very intelligent he knows what’s right and he should be a proper football pundit up the Klobby
I see what he was trying to say, in that you play more top team in a row to win it. That argument has gone out of the window now that you have a last 16 round in the euros as well, and 24 teams instead of the top 16.
That last comment at the end should be clipped and used all over TalkSport, that is gold: “Andy Goldstein is completely stupid and doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Thank you. Goodbye.” *microphone drop* 🤣🤣🤣 Goldstein & Cundy are class, best show on TalkSport
He's making a valid point and it's worth a debate, but Goldstein is going well over the top like it's a no brainer. Its harder to progress in the Euros because there's less weaker teams therefore there is a debate about which one would be harder to win. That's not to say the Euros is harder to win. I mean look at England last World Cup, got to the semis before they played anyone good. That's very unlikely to happen in the Euros
He's completely right.teams lie Czech Republic turkey are much tougher than Panama or Costa Rica who sneak into world cups Brazil haven't Been a good side in over a decade
Not true. Euros are on a smaller scale. And every good team from the euros is in the world cup so even if the euros are as tough as you're making them out to be, the world cup is even more so
@@nigelnyoni8265 There are only 3 top level teams outside of Europe. World Cup majorly padded out with teams like Saudi Arabia and Panama, who wouldn’t qualify for the Euros. England got to the Semi Final in 2018 and didn’t have to beat anybody good, never happens in the Euros. The average Fifa world ranking is higher in the Euros than in the World Cup. There were African 5 teams in the last World Cup format, despite them never reaching the semifinals. Meanwhile, Italy and the Netherlands didn’t qualify. To summarise, you will have the top teams in the World Cup, but the weaker teams will be a lot weaker. I don’t think any of the teams at this Euros are truly Woeful, can’t be said about any World Cup.
Imagine Andy and Jim White together, there wouldn't be a point of anybody calling in as they both just talk over people. On face value the World Cup being the hardest makes sense but the fella is saying you are more likely to have to face more elite national sides along the way 2nd round, QF, SF. Look at the last world cup, England could have made it to the final without playing any top level side, Croatia are good but not top level. I think the guy had a point but Andy wins every argument by shouting over people.
Hahahahahahahaha this is pure gold. Klobby under his breath saying... I’m exasperated is just brilliant 😂🤣😂
SIGH! 😩
Haha! 😂👍
Klobby is right, England won't be playing Colombia, Panama, Tunisia in the Euros 😂😂😂
What about north macadonia Finland Scotland
@@abhaychauhan8382 huh?
@abhay chauhan Macedonia have drawn England twice in the time when England were supposedly in their golden generation … muppet
This Macedonian generation has just beaten Germany on their soil, their first loss at home in 20 years for World Cup qualifying… pure muppet
There are teams with good footballers that just don’t get the press as much as England.
@@ljupcotaneski It's doing my head in that foreign fans think we are so arragont because we have the most press. I would prefer not to have the best league in the world but that's just the way it is. I know there are better teams than England.
@@ljupcotaneski I have used north Macedonia as a example no hate
I think he’s trying to say you’re likely to progress in the World Cup due to you getting a few easier teams in the Group and maybe first few knockout rounds if you’re lucky where in Europe it’s more condensed like how we got an easy run in the last tournament is unlikely to happen in the Euro, he’s just completely useless at putting his point together 😂 (World Cup is harder to win btw just might get further if you get an easy run in)
tbf he was on the lines of saying that until Andy jumped in as usual with his 10 IQ deductions and dragged the conversation into a ridiculous place
If England win the Euros this year then their knockout path could easily be Portugal/France/Germany (last 16), Spain (QFs), Netherlands (SFs) and France/Belgium (Final) or something like that.
It's even more difficult if you're in Group F. If you're Portugal in Group F then your path to the title could be games against France, Germany, Hungary, England, Spain, Netherlands, Belgium.
When you consider England's world cup run included Panama, Tunisia, Colombia, Sweden... this Euros run looks far more difficult.
It's clear that's what he's saying these guys just want to make fun of him.
I think that's probably what he meant 😂👊
@Jamie McCarthy Also could be true recently considering England had an easy run in the last world cup but if they win the group in the Euros they face the second place team from the group of death.
England never gets easy runs.
England don’t have the reputation anymore of a giant footballing nation that gets easy runs. England lost to Iceland once, so that should have been evidence enough that we don’t get the right to think we have easy runs....
....unless you think teams likeTunisia (who were African nations champions),
Colombia (one of the strongest South American teams with some gifted players compared to England’s midfield at the time),
Sweden ( always a 50/50 game),
Croatia (who had a stronger midfield on the night even though England has a strong record against them)
Belgium (both games were dead rubbers tbf)
England were 2nd youngest in average age and least experienced in caps
Easy??? This is why foreigners think we’re arrogant and love it when we lose.
Never easy. That team overachieved and deserves more credit than they get.
Klobby def needs to make a studio cameo!!!
Talksport should hire Klobby, this guy knows his stuff! Andy Goldstein should apologize to Klobby, hes bang out of order!
Goldturd is a pratt. He's like a child , repeating himself until he gets his way
Wot hav holan don
Cundy is just perfect for such situations!😂😂
Don't you mean Candy?
Klobby has a good point the last 5 world cups there’s been 9 European finalists and 1 non eueropean
Eh??? But the same European teams play in the World Cup! Whilst adding Brazil and Argentina into the mix!
Brazil and Argentina is 2 finalists, if you extend it to 7 world cups there’s 4 South American finalists.
I get his point tbf ....I think the point is you can meet a higher quality team sooner in the tournament rather in the world cup a team could get an easier team e.g an Asia or African team , don't get me wrong it's not gonna always go like that, but it's more statically odds on to get an easier run in a world cup
Which is irrelevant, because the best european sides are also in the World Cup, whilst adding the best of South America aswell. Top African teams in WC are also better mid to low tier teams in Euros (only North America & Asia kinda brings down the levels, tho South Korea, Mexico & Japan are better than most teams in Euros too)...
Whatcha mean is a lot of the European teams who don't get to the world cup are tougher than USA, Australia, Iran, Tunisia 3rd in a world cup...
Klobby" I believe your making no sense at all " LOL
The 3rd and 4th placed group teams you could say are better in euros but the World Cup is definitely harder to win.
Cundy is a perfect antidote to this nonsense. Always winds up Goldstein more!
"Give me an outsider that won the World Cup"
"England" :)
😅😅😅👌🏽😎
Excellent response that sas !
England actually didn't win the World Cup, West Ham did
You have to get this guy in the studio to have a real debate , get it sorted TalkSport
Klobby is a Talksport legend.
They should seriously give him a job. Get him in that studio!
He's a 🔔🔚
Just think about it
Nope
Small doses~!
Wait hold up Brazil won the World Cup 19 years ago which was within the last 20 years when ronaldo got the golden boot as well 🤦♂️
Klobby sat opposite Goldy in the studio would be a good watch
Klobby is right, world cup has much easier teams in it, the African ones, the pacific ones.
Not to win it though you ultimately have to play the best teams
Klobby makes Goldstein do a Piers Morgan, guy's a legend 😜🤣🤣🤣
I fell asleep to this last night, I was still chuckling this morning. Mint.
No thanks to the mint
Rewatching this and I love these two together, perfect chemistry and Klobby adds greatness to it
No that's GRATE..NESS. Klobby telling everyone how it is (in his own bizarre mind)
I’ve just found this channel......guys this is legendary. Jason, Andy and Klobby what a combo. Klobby needs to go full time.
Give it time mate. Eventually you question if you’re the same species as him. What a tool.
He is right from the point of view there are a lot more weaker teams that you can get...
Thats bullshit: North Macedonia, Finland, Slovakia & other low tier european sides are not better then top african, north american & asian sides who would be lowest tier in WC...
@@bigbowss9817 I agree with you and also Ziggy. In general World Cup will have the best teams around the world but you will also get some really poor teams that you just need to turn up to win against like Trinidad & Tobago, Honduras, Jamaica, Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Togo etc where in same cases some European giants miss out on the World Cup due to having a tough qualification group like Holland for example. England's 2018 World Cup group seriously you look and say OK no excuses get 6 points vs Tunisia and Panama, with European Belgium being the tricky one. Now for this Euro group England vs Croatia is a tricky one, Scotland being a rivalry plus recent form makes it a tricky one & Czechs having a good Euro and World Cup pedigree isn't a full gone conclusion although if England weren't to beat Czech Republic it would be a huge disappointment.
@@a.b8677 Thats just the nature of having 32 teams instead of 24, so competition is slightly more deluted, but replacing underperforming big european teams (like Netherlands & Italy last time) with Brazil, Argentina & Uruguay is almost always a better trade off competitively.
And if you compare 14th to 24th best UEFA teams that wouldnt make it to WC to Chile, Colombia from CONMEBOL, top 5 CAF teams & top 2 CONCACAF & AFC teams, its actually an upgrade.
Now you add a few more asian & american teams that kinda lower the standards, but even then teams like Iran, Australia, Saudi, Jamaica, etc. are just as much pushovers as any of the teams I mentioned before. And although I agree you're likely to cause trouble between european teams that have rivalries (England vs Scotland being perfect example), those other teams are also capable of creating upsets (remember Costa Rica in 2014).
And especially with group stage allowing 3rd place teams to progress too, I definitly believe World Cup is more competitive top to bottom...
@@bigbowss9817 Costa Rica did great but I have to say they were in a group with shitty England in 2014 😂😂 I'm mixed on it, I think to qualify out the group even with 3rd places with some it's not as easy as you think. All groups you can make a case for them qualifying for example look at Group F France, Portugal, Germany and even Hungary who are hugely underestimated. That group is mad. You would never get a group like that in World Cup so group stage in Euros is more difficult for me and I'd say to actually win the tournament I'd put them both equal. European teams have dominated World Cups for nearly 20 years now, Brazil and Argentina get mentioned becasue historically they were great. Let's be honest they are bang average now..
@@a.b8677 Costa Rica also had Uruguay & Italy in their group, which was supposed to be group of death with them as hopeless duckling and England ended up taking their place lol
I mean obviously Group F is mad this year (and I agree, Hungary is probably the best 4th tier team in these Euros aswell), but you also have group C which is way worse than most World Cup groups. Teams like Wales, Scotland, Ukraine, Slovakia, etc. have real shot of making it past of group here, but they would never in World Cup even if they qualified.
And I dont disagree with Europe dominating South America in recent years (thats why Germany was the first european team to win there, while they have yet to have won in Europe), but with 13 qualifiers, all the best european teams are gonna be at World Cup. So the way I see it, its about whether mid to low tier european teams are any better than top tier of other confederations and I dont think thats the case, thats all...
I think he''s saying the route through the knockout stages in the WC can be (not always) a lot easier.
Look at England's route to the semis WC18. The only tough sides we played we lost to; Belgium and Croatia and we still made it to the Semis! Then we lost to Belgium again 😂 The Klobster is saying the route is much tougher straight out the groups in the Euros
To be fair I didn't think we would beat teams like Colombia several months before that WC
Holland:
semifinal 1998,
final 2010,
semifinal 2014
Pretty easy when all three parties aren’t morons..
Brazil 2002 World Cup winner, 1998 finalist, 4 Copa america’s, beat Spain 3-0 in 2013 confederations cup final and reached a World Cup semi aswell. Holland didn’t even qualify for the 2018 World Cup.
@@neymarthegoldenboy4560 brazil are finished, only won last time because of ronny. Got beat 7.1 by germany at home
That was 2014 which
is a long tile in football, they won the 2019 Copa America and are literally top 3 in the world behind France and similar level to Belgium.
Time*
Andy is completely logical but Klobby still has a point. Poor Andy/Klobby!
Man said 'full stop thank you' 😂😂😂😎
I'd say the euro's have few Canon fodder teams.
But that still doesn’t make the Euro’s more difficult to win.
It does as you're more likely to face a strong side at any point in the tournament
@@qahirmakhani348 we have struggled more at Euro group stages than world cup group stages, and that is because the world cup often has two strong teams and two weak teams in groups, just look at the last world cup for example.
Like England 🤣🤣
@@LJfootball14 Yes it does. England were one game away from the WC final after facing no team that had ever won it. Meh! Good luck with winning the Euros and bypassing France, Spain, Portugal, Germany, Holland this time.
OMG can we put Klobby as permanent pls? 😂 Andy pls don’t block him..
For the first time ever I can see klobbys point
The World Cup is automatically harder as you can’t get out of the group while finishing 3rd.
I think the point he’s making is that your not going to face teams such as Colombia and Sweden to get to a semifinal of the euro’s. Instead England are probably going to get knocked out in the last 16 or QF by France, Portugal or Germany.
That’s relative to the draw though. In another year England could have faced Austria or Sweden in the round of 16 too. Just like England getting Argentina in the round of 16 in 1998 and getting knocked out.
@@neymarthegoldenboy4560 round of 16 was only introduced in the last tournament of the Euro’s so traditionally you will always get a top team in the Quarter final as there is less teams in the Euro’s than World Cup. Another point towards the argument is that England didn’t qualify for Euro 2008 and the two teams that finished above them reached the Qf and Sf. Last time England didn’t qualify for the World Cup was 1994.
You know nothing about football...
The Euro’s historically used to have only 8 teams or even less until 1996 so the 16 team format only existed for 5 tournaments. The World Cup also had several formats like a second group stage but you still always had to face the best European or South American teams sooner or later. I get the argument that less teams means a harder game more often whereas in the World Cup you could get a lesser team while the good sides knock each other out.
Klobby is so misunderstood man..I kind of get his point but then I'm like nah theres no way euros are more difficult to win😂
There could be an argument because in the group stages you could get a Costa Rica, or Saudi Arabia, Japan or so and score 5+ pass or who you're guaranteed all 3 points from
@@emekannabuo4946 you don't win the competition in the group stage how hard is it to understand you still get harder teams later on in the world cup u idiot
@@emekannabuo4946 so like South Korea beating Germany and knocking them out of the world cup in 2018 🤦♂️
Ultimately the World Cup will always be harder though because if the Europeans are having a slump one year then the South American’s will be good so you can’t fluke the win. In the Euro’s teams like Greece and Denmark have won it because sometimes the top teams aren’t quite at it.
@baz the point is that group stages are easier for most top FIFA ranked team. There are teams that are guaranteed to finish bottom of the group. Yes there are one or two surprises but if 4 Asian and 4 African teams qualify for example, 6 of them are guaranteed to drop out. This isn't peculiar to those continents. FIFA is designed to be global as such there'll always be such "kick-away" teams
Actually agree with Klobby for once the euros is slightly harder to win due to the high standards the European teams for this euros having a few group of deaths and you know if you get get out your group your playing another top team fair play Klobby
He's got a point with respect to the euros vs world cup. The group stages are definitely less competitive in general. More likelihood of getting Sauid Arabia, Japan, Costa Rica etc where you're guaranteed points and high goal scored
Who’s talking about the group stages? I believe they were talking about which is harder to win
Also Japan is better than a lot of teams in the euros
Lol
The group stages isn't it part of the competition or is pre-tournament?
Read in depth... the point in the teams I mentioned is that you get weak teams in at least 5 groups where each team in such group are guaranteed points. We also have African teams in that bracket (and yes I'm African)
Ultimately the World Cup will always be harder though because if the Europeans are having a slump one year then the South American’s will be good so you can’t fluke the win. In the Euro’s teams like Greece and Denmark have won it because sometimes the top teams aren’t quite at it.
I kind of get what he means, he's maybe not explained very well though, plus you have got Goldstein liking the sound of his own voice as usual.
I think he means in the latter stages of the world cup you could be playing an African team or another who is not regarded as a top team, where as in the euros you will be playing a top European side.
South Africa will win the world cup in 2026 because of Jesus Christ.
@@xolanekhumalo5929 what position does he play in
Tbf I do sort of see his point abit but it doesn’t change the fact the World Cup is stronger and harder to win
@@duvaughnkelly6947 Yh 100%
Klobby is right though.
In the World Cup you get nobodys like Panama and Tunisia.
In the Euro's the competition is on a whole stronger.
Shut up that argument is complete rubbish
U get nobodies in the euros aswell 🤦♂️
Total agreement Hocane. The Euros is harder. The World Cup is the better tournament, but Euros is harder. Hell even England have won a World Cup, but can’t get close to a Euro win...
Such a silly silly statement
Greece and Denmark won the EUROs. An underdog never wins the World Cup. And that is why the World Cup is tougher.
‘I don’t think I can do this I anymore I think I’ve reached the end of it’ 🙌
Klobby is on the wind up!!! (American here but I learned that phrase on talk sport) lol
He’s got a point, I agree with Klobby, all you have to do is think about it
Considering there is only 2 maybe 3 decent teams outside of Europe with Brazil being the last team to win the world Cup from South America in 2002 and Andy talking about what Holland have done they made the world Cup final in 2010 against Spain
Holland have beaten Brazil 3-0 at a world cup in Brazil. Got to semi, finished 3rd place and got to a separate final finished 2nd.
Klobby had a point, he just wasn't making his argument very well. The deadwood sides in the Euros are arguably stronger than the likes of Panama, Tunisia, Costa Rica. The Euros tend to have stronger groups, but World Cups are harder to win from the QF's onwards with the South American sides in it. Just look at England's possible route to the QF's this year : Scotland, Czech Rep, Croatia and either Portugal or Germany. They had to beat Panama, Costa Rica and Colombia in 2018.
Goldstein is a clown. In the world cup you can get a group that's got New Zealand Iran Panama then you're into the R16 and you can pull a middle of the road African team. Goldstein's argument centers around facing 3 teams.
@Marcos G true but that England 2018 group was pretty similar think it was Tunisia Panama and Belgium that's any easy group by any measure.
in the wc you could get an easy draw like england did, in the euros its likely you will draw a top team if the best teams go through as expected. each group will have two top teams progressing, no easy games after the groups
Can't wait for England to get knocked out by Denmark or someone in the last 16 😂
Denmark is a very good side.
@@bickdig there's the first excuse ready to go
Denmark are actually class man no joke
@@hmu05366 They are good but apart from Schmeichel no other player would start for England.
Who are Ireland playing ?
Klobby is a legend
Kinda get klobby’s point but he laid it out so poorly..there is always one or two European heavyweights missing in the World Cup and plenty of cannon fodders equivalent or poorer than European teams...Still World Cup is harder to win due to distinctively different styles of football of different teams and unknown factors which leads to more shocks in addition to the South American powerhouses and some really good African nations.
African teams are trash they dont past group stage
It's harder to win the world cup; but it is conceivable you might have a better chance of getting further in the world cup.
Brazil won World Cup 22 that's in the last 20 years
In the euros the weaker teams are probably better than the weaker teams in the world cup from asia, africa or north/south america, so you could argue its harder as the weaker teams are more competent
Not necessarily, Costa Rica got out of a group of Uruguay, Italy and England in 2014 sending England home in the group stage. South Korea sent Germany home in the group stage in 2018. France lost to Senegal in 2002 going out in the group stage. South Korea reached the semi final in 2002 beating Italy and Portugal on the way.
@@neymarthegoldenboy4560 well like what was mentioned Greece, a weak Portugal and Denmark have won the Euros and would all of been considered underdogs so I think that shows how much more competitive and closer the quality is between the best and worst teams
Ultimately the World Cup is harder to WIN, the short term of getting one round further because you drew Japan or Algeria shouldn’t be a point because when push comes to shove you have to beat the best and in the World Cup you have to overcome both South America and Europe. Greece and Denmark have won the Euro’s because some years the top European teams have a slump but in the World Cup you can’t fluke it since both the European top teams and south Americans won’t slump at the same time.
Quality of sides aside the World Cup is a longer tournament based on the number of games 8 if we make it to the final, compared to 7 in the Euros.
It is very unlikely that a side that consistently makes it into the Euros will miss out in the World Cup, other than Group J where Armenia sit on top instead of Germany, the table toppers of every other group Portugal, Spain, Italy, France, Belgium, Denmark, Turkey, Croatia and England are all nations which have regularly made it to the Euros, but it's far more difficult for an underdog to win the World Cup like Greece did it in Euro 2004, Ghana, South Korea, Croatia and Turkey came pretty close but failed, the 1998 World Cup final can be considered an upset in some people's opinions because Brazil were overwhelming favorites, however France had some world class players in there.
For once he’s completely correct. It’s the same with the club World Cup and the champions league. FACT
If we're talking about the old Euros format with just 16 teams then I agree. Not any more with the expansion and teams like Scotland, North Macedonia getting in. The old way you had 16 of the best teams in Europe. Just 4 groups! You could have a group containing France, Italy, Holland and Denmark... Then when you get out of that group get hit with Germany in the Quarter-Final. You don't get that at the World Cup. You can have an easy group with an easy last 16 tie. Australia, USA anyone? You probably won't get a tough team until at least the Quarter-Final or Semi final...
i agree with klobby euros are harder to advance through and win, europe also dominates the world cup. but in the world cup you might get lucky with an easier draw. in europe all teams are harder to beat.
Nope World Cup is harder to win ultimately because you have to overcome Europe and South America. There is a reason why nobody has fluked it like Greece or Denmark did in the euros.
I think I get what Klobby is trying to say, I’m the World Cup you can end up in a group with say Tunisia, Panama and Romanianfor example and getting a Columbia, Denmark or Greece etc in the knockout stages but in the euros there’s less teams so for example we’re more likely to come up against France, Germany etc.
Klobby has a good point and he was very clear in his explanations. Those pundits are so incredibly short-sighted and refuse to understand his argument. Btw Holland played the World Cup final in 2010.
It's easier to get out of the groups in the World Cup, Euro and World Cup are equally as difficult after that really.
If klobby was a bit more switched on he’d be dangerous. They finished 2nd and 3rd in 2/ the last 3 World Cup. So they’ve done more in the last 19 years than Brazil have. Andy shouting constantly flusters the poor man. 🥲🥲
It depends on which angle you look at it from. England won the World Cup but haven't been able to win the Euros. There are a few European teams that have won the World Cup but haven't been able to win the Euros. And there are teams that have won the Euros such as Denmark and Greece but haven't been able to win the World Cup
England is the only European nation to have won the World Cup but not the Euros and with all due respect, that sole win was as the host nation
On the last point your bang on mate
Euro group stages are generally tougher, but the world cup knock out stages are generally tougher. Being as the knockout stages are real proving ground, overall the world cup is tougher.
Hey uh does someone want to tell Klobby that Brazil have indeed won the world cup in the last 20 years?
Just about by about 1 year, plus the last 4 world cups have been won by euro teams so europe is obviously stronger atm
@@jamesrawl3648 ..still Brazil won the World Cup in the last 20 years
@@jamesrawl3648 no one is arguing about how strong Europe is? Why are you bringing that up?
The format is much harder in the euros
Yes! England were one game away from the WC final after facing no team that had ever won it. Meh! Good luck with winning the Euros and bypassing France, Spain, Portugal, Germany, Holland this time.
Hes actually 100% correct if he was talking about pre Euro 2016 and the expansion. When it was a 16 team tournament you had ño easy games and some ridiculous groups where you wouldn't be given easy touches from Africa/Asia/Central America. Good sides would often go out early.
"WHAT'VE HOLLAND DONE???!!!!!"
Klobby "Liverpool getting top 4 was more of an achivement than Liverpool winning the PL and Champions League" - DELUDED
Did he actually say that 🤡😂😂
Andy "I am so close to blocking you now" do you know how good that sounds 😁
He's right, Euros is Champions league, world Cup is like the Prem
The word cup probably is harder to win, but it's a lot harder to get out the group and get further into the competition in the Euros. You'd never find a group like France, Germany, Portugal and Hungry at the world cup...
I think a better way to phrase it rather than "its a harder tournament to win" to "Its a tougher tournament" full stop. Nine times out of ten the top teams like your Germany's and Spain's do come out on top anyways.
Greece won it playing super defensively and Denmark come in cycles. They always have a player or two that can do some damage but I guess that year they had more than a player or two.
And the World Cup, the winners have been a selection of European teams or Brazil or Argentina (or Uruguay that one time).
Klobby has a point.
The Euros are tougher at the group stage, the World Cup is more difficult from the knockout stages and more difficult to win.
This is such a classic I still watch it for a laugh in 2024
Always a pleasure to hear Klobby and Khaled too
Lmaoooo this Klobby guy is different breed
Klobby is brill.
In the last 20 World Cup finals there have only been 7 South American countries. Klobby is right.
Let's look at the "outsider" example. Scotland didn't qualify through the usual group method but instead earned their spot through the Nations League tournament. The likelihood of getting to a competition is just as important as the likelihood of winning it. With the chances of a smaller nation getting to the Euros increasing then the chance of them winning it have to as well. Therefore making the Euros an easier competition.
Why is Henderson even in the conversation? Declan Rice is one of the first names on the team sheet and playing both is not an option imo. Stones, Rice, Mount & Kane are nailed on starters
Klobby would be deluded if it was 20 years but the facts are hes right in todays game
I must be going crazy because I kind of agree with klobby lol
10:50 Holland beat Brazil 3-0 in the 2014 WC third place game. But failed to qualify for Russia 2018 WC. And Brazil were beaten in QF by Belgium in Russia 2018. They just wind klobby up
Brazil won the copa 2 years ago
Klobby represents Liverpool’s fans quality pretty well😂😂😂
*Holland got to the WC Final in 2010. No South American has won in almost 20 yrs. The WC is harder to win, but you're likely to face tougher opposition in the Euros. Brazil & Argentina are the only 2 teams Goldstein can name in reference to the ENTIRE WORLD outside Europe. It's not "would you rather face Czech or Brazil?", it's "would you rather face Czech or Peru?" The WC is harder to win but Klobby could've argued his point A LOT better. Goldstein thinks ALL the other 20+ places go to Brazil & Argentina. That's 2 teams! What about Korea, Japan, China, Australia, Tunisia, Nigeria, Paraguay... those teams are not better than the Europeans. The gap between Europe and the rest of the world (Brazil/Argentina for Goldstein) is getting larger. Out of 5 continents, only 2 have ever won and 1 of them hasn't since Ronaldo the Fenomeno had a fringe.*
I agree here. Belguim got to a World Cup Quarter Final playing Panana , Tunisia and Japan. Nobody will go 4 games in this years Euros with that much ease. Look at the 2018 world cup clubs. Scotland beat at lesst 10 off those teams
Klobby is right. Andy can shout that Brazil are better than the Czechs as much as he wants. The Euros has a much higher concentration of high quality teams. You only have to look at England’s run to the semis in 2018 when they didn’t play a half decent team until Croatia. This Euros they have Croatia in their group and will be playing the World Cup winners or the European champions in the next round.
Klobby>Goldstein
Klobby he’s right in everything he says he’s make sense if you listen to what he’s saying he’s very intelligent he knows what’s right and he should be a proper football pundit up the Klobby
I'm backing Klobby up when he said Euro is tougher than WC.
I see what he was trying to say, in that you play more top team in a row to win it. That argument has gone out of the window now that you have a last 16 round in the euros as well, and 24 teams instead of the top 16.
Klobby: England are inexperienced to win.
Also Klobby: I have feeling for Germany, their U21 is really good
I love Klobby 😂
Klobby is right its the same as saying the prem is harder than winning the champs league despite being more teams in there. Case in point chelsea
That last comment at the end should be clipped and used all over TalkSport, that is gold:
“Andy Goldstein is completely stupid and doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Thank you. Goodbye.” *microphone drop*
🤣🤣🤣 Goldstein & Cundy are class, best show on TalkSport
The first part I agree with 100% comedy gold
The last part I couldn't give you a like for.
@@NinjaSquirrel30 fair doos
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣. That was pure Radio GOLD. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
He's making a valid point and it's worth a debate, but Goldstein is going well over the top like it's a no brainer. Its harder to progress in the Euros because there's less weaker teams therefore there is a debate about which one would be harder to win. That's not to say the Euros is harder to win. I mean look at England last World Cup, got to the semis before they played anyone good. That's very unlikely to happen in the Euros
He's completely right.teams lie Czech Republic turkey are much tougher than Panama or Costa Rica who sneak into world cups
Brazil haven't Been a good side in over a decade
The Euros are harder than the World Cup now, I thought this was common knowledge?
Not true. Euros are on a smaller scale. And every good team from the euros is in the world cup so even if the euros are as tough as you're making them out to be, the world cup is even more so
@@nigelnyoni8265 There are only 3 top level teams outside of Europe. World Cup majorly padded out with teams like Saudi Arabia and Panama, who wouldn’t qualify for the Euros. England got to the Semi Final in 2018 and didn’t have to beat anybody good, never happens in the Euros. The average Fifa world ranking is higher in the Euros than in the World Cup. There were African 5 teams in the last World Cup format, despite them never reaching the semifinals. Meanwhile, Italy and the Netherlands didn’t qualify. To summarise, you will have the top teams in the World Cup, but the weaker teams will be a lot weaker. I don’t think any of the teams at this Euros are truly Woeful, can’t be said about any World Cup.
Klobby is always right
Not a chance
I'll have what you're smoking
There is always one more
Imagine Andy and Jim White together, there wouldn't be a point of anybody calling in as they both just talk over people. On face value the World Cup being the hardest makes sense but the fella is saying you are more likely to have to face more elite national sides along the way 2nd round, QF, SF. Look at the last world cup, England could have made it to the final without playing any top level side, Croatia are good but not top level. I think the guy had a point but Andy wins every argument by shouting over people.
With Maguire and Henderson unfit, we have to go 4 at the back and play Rice, Mount and Bellingham in Midfield
I mean Bellingham is a talent but you’re seriously putting him in ahead of Foden & Grealish? 😂
love Klobby & i don't support Liverpool
Klobby a fucking celebrity at this rate