Kitesurfing Value Experiment
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- In this video we compared two kites (2006 Flysurfer Speed 2 12m and 2018 Flysurfer Soul 12m) to find out which kite, according to our friends, provides more value for money. The result of this new vs used kite challenge actually surprised us - enjoy!
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That’s exactly how I got into kiteboarding.. with $200 kites from 2007-2009 & slowly upgraded as I went along (keeps you excited when there are newer and better kites once you learn to handle the old ones). Great video & thanks for this review - I think it’s def worth watching this if you’re a beginner to make up your mind on your own
There are lots of great kites on the used market. As we said in the video, it’s a lottery when buying used - but if you know what to look for there are deals to be found :)
Just buy a windsurfing gear lasts a lot longer ,the only upside to kites it's easy to travel an store your gear .
Yes, I just got an entire setup of a 2009 Cabrinha Switchblade 10, Convert 12, TT board, bars, new harness, pumps, golf bag (new) for just about 1G. The kites look barely used without repairs. Some videos that said not to buy 4+ year old kites scared me, but for getting back into kite boarding after many many years, I didn’t have the cash to get everything new. I also never rode up here in Canada, so for now it will have to do and I’ll update as time goes on (or if I really suck and I can’t get out at the right time) I may just sell it on. At least the investment wasn’t that big. Time will tell.
You can also change the trim on the speed 2 so it has more depower or more umpf depending on your riding style. You should spend a minute to explain the settings and how they compare.
Hello, I'm Vincent from France.
I'm glad each time you post a new video :-) : many different points of view from all your friendly colleagues and serious facts checking, like in your review compairing woo 2 and 3...
As Nicolas BOUDET and you, I would say that older kites need some checking before use for safety reasons, mostly a checking of the lines), and the quick release system.
This apart, I ride more than 80 days a year with 4 old kites : HQ NEO2 11 (400 euros), PSYCHO 3 13
(400 euros), SPEED3 15 (650 euros) and SPEED3 19 (450 euros because of 4 patches repairing holes).
I don't aim to compete, and I have a great time in all my sessions, so much plaisure !
Not less pleasure than my colleagues, on my home spot, who ride kites 8 times as expensive :-)
Take care, and see you soon in a next vlog :-)
Thanks! Yes, buying old kites most definitely requires careful checking by someone who knows what to look for. Happy to hear you're enjoying your gear and getting some serious time on the water!
Bought a bunch of used kites as well, for example 5 years old North Dice 10m with bar, in mint condition, 350 euro's.
You have to be patience, if you need one today it won't work. Loads of people having very well maintained kites, sometimes almost not used, they seem to want to replace sets every x years.
I buy 3 / 4 kites this way instead of 1 new one, and that kite won't be new as well after using it myself ;)
And don't be too affraid for small problems, they can happen to your new kite as well, and most of the time they're easy to fix. It was the first thing I started to figure out before I was buying equipment, how to fix all kinds of problems that can happen. Most occuring problems can be fixed by yourself if you figure out how and be patience.
My very first kite was FS Pulse2. I had no idea that it was like 8 years old when I bought it. But it was in sort of decent condition and I used it mostly for snowkiting. It's a really easy to use kite, very stable and friendly, but very sluggish and refused to jump for me. For now it has no use, since it was replaced by Fat Lady, gonna sell it and maybe get a bit bigger foil kite.
We used to have FS Pulse2 12m. It was good at the time, definitely not a jumper, but was more forgiving than speed2.
I would've liked to see a test of the quick release. Quite a lot has changed in the safety department in those years. And after 13 years you can't be sure if it all still functions properly.
That’s a valid point. We didn’t try out the safety system on this day but it’s definitely something to keep in mind to test when purchasing a used kite
You can also get newer kites for little Money. I got the Unity deluxe 10 for 300 Euros with the bar inklusive. Speed 3 is also an option.
Thanks for this video. I just bought some older equipment. I figured, back then, it was fun, so unless the condition is poor, we should still be able to use it today.
Definitely nothing wrong with used gear, as long as it’s safe!
What is really crazy is that it is only 200 CANADIAN dollars! Ha! The kite I want is in the background at 6:45, a 14m Switchblade in Monster Energy colors. I think it is a 2013 model. I missed out on one on eBay.
Skip 2013, do 2012 or 2014 :)
I really like your channel. Nice job. Its really chill and not too serious, which is cool. Doesn't surprise me, everyone I've ever met from Canada is very polite and kind. Keep up the videos. thanks
Thanks! Glad you’re enjoying the videos :)
There are plenty of good used equipment deals out there without risking serious injury on 12yr old equipment.
A bit like buying a used car, you want the car er um kite that was only driven oops flown to the corner store and back. I still have my 12m^2 Speed III which I bought new, it is no longer flying as good as it did when new, porosity sets in, bridle lines stretch, bar corrodes (I hope they have sorted that problem out, putting stainless steel on aluminium, arggg the aluminium acts as the sacrificial anode). Buying second hand kites you rarely can try it out. Remember buying my son a Speed 1.5, not flown very much, I think that says it all. By he way, I mostly fly Flysurfer kites, Speed III, Psycho IV, Speed IV and Speed Lotus IV, ya so I do like Flysurfer kites.
Definitely agree - the less used the better when buying a used kite. It’s always best to ask if you can fly the kite - even if it’s just on land, to get a feel for the condition. And while some things will be hard to judge without flying the kite, carefully inspecting the kite (and bar if buying that too) can tell you a lot :)
The old flysurfer quickrelease is crap and very unsafe / dangerous. But if you upgrade the bar. Those old kites aren’t that bad.
It is definitely much harder to re-assemble than the newer ones
Our Kite Life some of them release if the kite pulls. I needed to attach the pin with a zip tie.
Yikes - that doesn’t sound safe
Our Kite Life yep but the old kites are quiet dope for the money
Your making great videos, it’s great to see that people are making kite specific videos. It’s really good for the kite community!
Thank you :)
I have a 9 and 12m inflatable kites. I'm looking to get a foil kite to foiling on light wind. Which size on foil kite you recommended to buy so I have 3 kite for more wind range?
We'd recommend a 12m foil kite - or if you're a bigger guy then maybe a 15m foil kite
Your videos are really FUN, I enjoy very much watching them. I always end up with a smile on my face! Even though my favorite kite is the Ozone Edge, Last winter I tested The FS Soul in 10 meters on skis on the Lac of 2 Mountains, Quebec and loved it! Very smooth and very agile kite and stays in the air in the lightest winds. It is very possible that I will buy one or 2 of them! 10m and a 15m and will keep my Ozone Edge in 7m and 9m for Boosting in TwinTip! Merry Chistmas!
Thanks! We’re happy to hear you enjoy the videos, and the Soul :) Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!
I’d be curious to see a Pansh Aurora III comparison video.
Yup, that video is on our radar
Great to see you guys do some retro-kiteboarding.Next time try a 2000 - 2001 2 lines kite ;-)
sure, anyone you know who has some?
I got one, did a video with it earlier this year. Problem is i live in Belgium. But if you guys ever come kiting in Belgium or the Netherlands you can use one of my oldtimers.
I might have a 2004 slingshot fuel sitting around in some back garage somewhere.... too bad shipping it from NZ would be too darn expensive. Oddly though I don't think kites back then were bad, but the bar and lines with their 20cm of depower at the bar was scary.
you said you only surf in fresh water. I am from Michigan and have been dying to do this since I was a small child. But now I live in a different state, what conditions are needed for this kinda sport?
You need a large body of water with enough fetch so that the wind isn’t turbulent (~5km+). You also need wind (in the appropriate direction for the spot). Sounds complicated but honestly I would Google kite spots + your state to see what shows up. If you’re serious about getting into the sport, 100% take lessons. The instructor will teach you what you need to know. Hope that helps!
i just realized cell kites don’t water take off, only good for snowboarding.
Uuummm that's my first kite the speed 2 12m. I ride hard all the time and doing it since 2009. My Speed 2 is in way worse shape then the one u have I maybe fix a broken line maybe once every two years. I've gotten good at patching my speed 2 and it flies great on snow and water. So I believe u can ride a flysurfer for 10+ years and nail any jump or trick. My speed 2 is my go to kite over my ocean rodeo 2018 12m roam. Kiting is a very expensive sport if u are always buying the latest and greatest then u are wasting ur money when u can be less wasteful and ride one solid kite for years and spend maybe 5 percent of the time fixing and repairing damage. On the other hand snow kiting is hard on my snowboard makes me go through a snowboard every year so always have to get new board.
Thanks for your comment! We 100% agree with you - your kites can last a really long time if you take proper care of them. There's no need to constantly be upgrading. Funny you say that about your snowboards - we have had the same snowboards for 7 or 8 years. Mind you we don't get to snow kite a lot, but for our purposes, they're fine so long as we take care of them.
How did it relaunch?
The Soul relaunches easier, but usually the same way as the rest of foil kites - reverse launch, pull two steering lines up, and then let go of one
Yeah, but how does it compare to a brand new Pansh?
We shall see - hopefully in a future video
Lake Ontario
Lake Ontario is actually cleaner than lake Erie :)
next up please: speed 3 in 2020...
Hey guys, where to buy Flysurfer in flying condition for 200cad? Send them to Russia, we do not have prices like this)
kijiji.ca :)
Soul rocks
Agreed 😀
Nice video but where can i buy all kite under 1000$ because the new kite is very expensive to me iam Egyptian living in Saudi Arabia ,
For us deals can be found online or at local kite shop swaps, or sometimes just asking around on the kite beach!
Well done! great honest perspectives!
Thanks :)
what great harness for kids whas this???
it's homemade
How does he have his kid set up at 6:08, I'd love to do that with my kid!
www.axiskiteboarding.com/product/axis-2018-tandem-kiteboarding/#.YK4_e1PTWdM
Only tandem kiteboarding stuff I could find. There's a tandem harness etc. too.
@@paolom.6011 Cheers
Awesome video! Need to work on those grabs ;)
Thanks! Working on them this weekend ;)
Seems like almost everyone is wearing impact/flotation vest. I kinda feel compelled to buy one after self rescuing in fresh water lake. I felt that I was less buoyant compared to sea water.
It's a big fine in Canada not to wear a PFD while engaging in water sports. Also, when it comes to self rescue, it is much easier with a life vest. The only downside of life vest is that you don't look cool...
Hello, thank you for great video :) I would like to buy my first kite, mainly for snow, later water...would you reccomend soul 12 or speed 34 or speed 4 or speed 5? I know price is different, I need cheapest but most enjoyable and easy option, to have good control and enjoy it best. thank you very much:)
We’d recommend going with the Soul 12! It’s the best option for your first foil kite. It will be great on both snow and water.
Do you think the new bar has too much dpower?
you mean the depower line length? If so yes!
Hey guys, how about a new value experiment video, comparing brand new Soul with perhaps a cheap brand new kite from Pansh?
I have no skin in the game, but would love to see how that works out 😁
we had something similar in mind
@@OurKiteLife Excellent. Thank you all for some brilliant content by the way, especially the wind/weather stuff, it's been really helpful.
Can i use that anywhere
Great teaching vlog!
Thanks!
Hyperlink V2 ! :)
vs Soul? for review?
For sure :) !
Nice video so cool ! Hope you re going to make more 👍🏼🤙🏼 , if you want you can watch my last kitesurf video
Thanks!
girl you are ripping!!!
never can get my head around using those type of kites in the water. snow and land only for me
I had 2007 or 2008 Speed 2 if I remember correctly 15meters and when I sold it after 2 seasons of disasters I said to myself "NEVER GO BACK TO TWIN FOIL kites". I am soo happy with my pumped kites now; don't have to worry about butterfly twists, unpredicable self collapsing of the canopy at lulls, crazy forces at the down-loops and pouring 500liters of water out of the kite after 2 hour self rescue misson. I would not fly this kite even if someone would pay me $500 for it.
It's all part of the sport - figuring out what gear you like, and what gear you don't like :)
The new foil kites are pretty nice. I accidentally popped the safety in the waves, had a couple of waves crash over it. An inflatable would have probably gotten torn. Amazingly it straightened itself out and relaunched. So far I have never been stranded by a foil kite. I tend to use inflatables in the waves but I use foils when I don't feel like pumping. It's nice to ride in 2 minutes of walking up on the beach. In flat water, it's even faster. I just carry it out rolled up, unroll, let it drift while I unroll the lines, it fills up and goes. Also like them in light wind. They'll stay in the air and relaunch when inflatables won't.
I had the exact same one in white, had similar experiences several times and felt the same way. However, there is something special about a foil that made me come back to them. Snowkiting, landboarding and especially here in Ontario, the conditions can be a pain in the butt so having several different tools including foils most times is a must :-) I'm a proud owner of Lotus 21 metre haha
Or wait for next year and buy the soul for 1/3
Haha, maybe - but I think they'll hold their value better than that.... only time will tell ;)
@@OurKiteLife There is always THAT guy, who just starting in the sport, buys everything new and a year later has used it once.. at least in Spain it's like that LOL
And great channel btw. Loved when u showed how to learn the back roll, you could do that again with another trick. Also as soon as u can get ur hands on one of this ulula ocean rodeo's new kites I'll be cool to have a non bias review. Thanks
Very true - guys like that exist in Canada too, as well as ones who just always want the newest, shiniest kite each year...
Thanks! Those videos are fun but not always easy to coordinate. We'd like to film another one before the end of the year. And we can't wait to get our hands on the OR Aluula kite! :)
Тоже бы так полетал )
Классно )
Beautiful blue eyes.
Thank you
Still don’t understand why you like so much the foil kites instead of the inflatable ones
Probably because of local spot tradition. When you are a beginner, you look at the experienced riders in your spot. Foil kites are great for spots where you often have lighter winds and a grass space to rig it up. Add more trees and remove the open space like in more tricky spots where you hardly can lay your lines out and noone uses foil kites.
The wind in Ontario is usually below 15 knots. Foils excel in low wind kiting - we have tested it many times. Our most used kite is 15. Add the fact that wind is up high and tends to shut down in minutes, having a foil kite vs inflatable means you can body drag to the beach as they stay up longer in the air. As Martin replied, it’s a local thing, foils just work best for our spot.
Fair enough, I just feel its not so convenient if the wind shuts down and the foil gets soaked
Yea sure. But they can be modified.
Ето где в Торонто?
da, etobicoke v Toronto
2:29 what the from this man?
думаю наш
correct
@@mikesmirnov1976 вот да, акцент похож
@@OurKiteLife
where is this man from* sorry... the emphasis is just interesting
Дайте пожалуйста с русским переводом. Ниче ни понял но очень интересно
kayt za 300 dolarov horosh, no vse predpochli kupit kayt za 3000$
Тоже бы так полетал )
Классно )
Привет, Тралка. Если в двух словах, то ребята взяли флай 2006 за 200 канадских долларов и 2018 года за 3000 для сравнения. То есть разница в цене в 15 раз. После сравнения вердикт следующий: Кайт 2006 года хуже: тяжелая планка, худшая маневренность, хуже реланч, меньше лифт, хуже себя ведет на порывистом ветре, но тем не менее на этом кайте вполне можно кататься и может кто-то сможет получать удовольствие тоже. Они в этом тесте не сравнивали систему безопасности. Конечно, между кайтами 2006 и 2018 года слишком большой промежуток по времени. Один из тестирующих сказал, что кайт 2006 года , это как Хёнде акцент (те ездить вполне можно), а вот 2018 год это как феррари. Другими словами, если ,бабок нет совсем, то тогда можно и за 200 долларов, если чуток есть, то лучше посмотреть на 2013 -2014 годы, конструктивно уже очень близко, разница в каталке будет несущественной, а цена упадет в разы. А если бабла дофига, то можно не заморачиваться)))) . Удачи!
@@sergeysolntsev6737 спасибо Бро.
My 2006 kite nearly downed me and a few others, so little depower, stopped flying. Sounds like the new ones are far safer.
Yes, the safety has improved so much over the past decade
Should have used the same bar...
We thought about doing that, but given we had the original bar we decided to use it. Honestly the difference in bars is mostly just the look of them
Speed 2 is pointless. But you could get speed 3 for like 500-600$ AND IT WORKS LIKE A DREAM
speed 3 is definitively a humongous improvement over speed 2
It is not a good comparrison. Just take a well known brand against a brand that is cheaper. Then compare it. Comparing kites with 12 years difference in technologie isnt a comparrison.
I am a bit worried 🥶by your experiment that seems to tell us that it is possible to begin with very budget kites.
The point is that you are all very skilled and you can choose the appropriate conditions, make a full check of the lines, the safety devices,the brand and the detail status and not put you in danger...
Most beginners will not and may be let in huge danger by poor quality old big kites that owner would be wise to not sell at all, and keep for their own museum 😉!
Appart that it is a good option to start with a second or third hand kite, but not very old and double checked by an experienced kiter taking in account your beginner’s level!🤓
Indeed Soul is a very good kite (I got the 15m2), but I personally would not recommend to begin with a foil kite before a good master of tube kites😎
Beginners is a separate topic that we will touch on in the future. Which kite a beginner should choose as their first kite... that's opening a can of worms - Foil vs LEI, etc.... Definitely not suggesting beginners jump on an older kite, but if you are already riding - then sure. With that said a lot of the people featured in the video learned on Speed1s, Speed2s, even Psycho2s from 2005.
agree in water tube kite will be prefere for beginer, on snow opossite, only foil kites
My very point is the status of old kites, far to be new!, which is quite difficult to evaluate by beginners.
I had the experience last week with someone starting beach roller kite on a very large hard sand beach at low tide, with a good 14kts on side wind, so very good conditions, as I was fighting with strong shore break to go upwind on the water😎
His foil kite was from ages and after 1 or 2 min his lines broke and the kite started to loop out of control
The guy was quite lucky to just finish with broken arm, injured shoulder and elbow...
So just pay attention that old kites may not have even their value for money!
I also saw young guys who found a 14m2 kite in a garbage, and were ready to try to fly it without help or experience...🥶🤬
For sure, as we said, buying a used kite is a lottery, so it is always better to have someone more experienced helping you choose one. Unfortunately we see it too many times, when beginners buy and try kites that they have no idea of what they are. Definitively would be great to compile a list of tips for beginners of what things to look for when buying a used kite.
Nicolas, your points about safety are very relevant.
But about beginning on tube kites, I don't agree with you : I began on foil kites, and at this day, I never rode a tube kite in my life :-)
would be better ! 12yr old 200$ over 3000$ ......
This strong accent speaking snob is absolutely unadequate in every vid. Zero objectiveness.
На хрена на НЕ РУССКОМ языке в России???